From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 15:36:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B333AA68D5 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D52A1724 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 318E57AE7 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/318E57AE7; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Removing documentation To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <56B754A8.3030605@marino.st> <56BCE01D.4010701@FreeBSD.org> <56BCE218.40403@marino.st> <56BCEC5F.4020007@marino.st> <56BDF2A3.9030100@ohlste.in> From: Matthew Seaman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56BDFBE3.7050709@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:03 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56BDF2A3.9030100@ohlste.in> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mq71uICANmfquClM6nS7cxfc6nQBmeKeE" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:36:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --mq71uICANmfquClM6nS7cxfc6nQBmeKeE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/02/2016 14:56, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > This is a good point. I still don't understand why pkg(8) is not in the= > base (though I imagine there's a reason and it takes less than a minute= > to install). There can't be many users who install a base system and us= e > it without a single additional piece of software. However, for my $0.02= , > that is the only change I'd make to base at this point with respect to > package management, aside from my pkg(8) wishlist. As an aside, and > fwiw, unless there is a non-GPL'd Ada compiler out there, we won't see > Ada or any Ada-based binaries in base, even if Synth turns out to be th= e > best thing since sliced bread. The primary reason pkg(8) is not in base is to decouple it from the FreeBSD release timescale. Given the promises about API/ABI stability over a major release branch, development of pkg(8) would be forced to slow to a crawl. pkg(8) still has a lot of changes yet to be realized, both in its own code, and in the code of both the ports and the base system, and in adjunct software like poudriere or indeed, synth, so it is likely to remain a 'port' for some time to come. It is not completely inconceivable though that at some future point, pkg(8) will have matured into stability and require little further development, in which case, importing it to base would be a natural next move. 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