From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 27 20:42:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE283106567E for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@balholm.com) Received: from mail.my180.net (pop1-levy.go180.net [216.229.186.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EA88FC1B for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25845 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2010 20:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (andy@balholm.com@63.224.217.218) by mail.my180.net with ESMTPA; 27 Jul 2010 20:42:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Andy Balholm In-Reply-To: <4C4F030D.4090208@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:42:16 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <844736C6-506D-417F-B180-389D70B12789@balholm.com> References: <4C4F030D.4090208@googlemail.com> To: "Kruppa, Peter Ulrich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: perrin@apotheon.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:42:19 -0000 On Jul 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: > Am 27.07.2010 17:23, schrieb Andy Balholm: >> Chad Perrin wrote: >> =20 >>> Andy Balholm wrote: >>> =20 >>>> although the UNIX term "daemon" is not satanic in origin, some = aspects >>>> of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional >>>> depictions of the Devil. >>>> =20 >>> Really? Are you sure they weren't derived from something else -- = perhaps >>> a source in common for the "traditional" depictions of the devil? = There >>> may be a common source for both, rather than one being the source of = the >>> other. Correlation does not imply causation. Did you ask the = original >>> Beastie artist for confirmation that he was consciously emulating = images >>> of the Christian devil, or did you just jump to a conclusion like = the OP? >>> =20 >> I jumped to a conclusion, but I'll stand by it until someone shows me = the ancient common source. I don't recall anything that looks much like = Beastie in Greek art. >> =20 > Perhaps there are some ancient depictions/sculptures of the greek god = Pan (god of the shepherds) around? Pan partially resembles a goat. The BSD daemon doesn't look like a goat (or Pan) at all. Maybe he has = cloven hooves inside those tennis shoes; I don't know. But Pan could = certainly have had some influence on how the Devil was traditionally = drawn. My point wasn't that there is no earlier source that traditional = depictions of the Devil draw on. They aren't based on anything in the = Bible, so it seems quite likely that there is. I was just saying that = the BSD daemon is not derived from that ancient source _independently_; = its immediate source is almost certainly the traditional depictions of = demons. Andy Balholm (509) 276-2065 andy@balholm.com