From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 31 14:39:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15414 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radford.i-plus.net (root@Radford.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15394 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss (pitlord@Abyss.i-plus.net [206.99.237.44]) by radford.i-plus.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03054; Sat, 31 May 1997 17:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705312138.RAA03054@radford.i-plus.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Troy Settle" To: , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: LINT and GENERIC - between a rock and a generic place. Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:29:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Jordan K. Hubbard >More and more people are trying to use GENERIC as a template for their >own kernels and they're losing, of course, because generic sets many >limits (like max children or open files) too low. Been there, it was rather rough the first couple times I tried building a kernel, but now, on the rare occasions I do build a kernel, I have a web broser open with the handbook loaded up. Just a step-by-step process. >Unfortunately, every time this issue has come up in the past it's also >followed a rather set course, in 3 distinct stages: [stage descritptions gone away] >Meanwhile, of course, the users continue to use GENERIC (or worse, >LINT) as their only available guides and they continue to walk off >cliffs, year after year. > >How shall we conduct the debate this time? Same old same old, or >something genuinely productive? :-) A user's perspective: After using FreeBSD for about a year, both at home and at work, it's perks and styles are slowly becoming second nature to me, but... as a first step, I like the idea of having some canned config files for people to work off of. It would have made it a lot easier when I first started out. I spent 2 years working with linux, and was almost totally lost when it came time to build my first FreeBSD kernel. After spending 2 years with Linux's make config, and make xconfig, I had grown accustomed to it. I would like to see a configuration script along those lines, with some preset configurations to work from. Though I probably wouldn't use it except on the off chance I installed a new box that had a radically different hardware config than any of the others I'm currently maintaining. Just my $.03 (inflation ya know :^) -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net