From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 3 18:24: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A53137B502 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e941KLq07733; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:50:21 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:50:21 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Wes Peters , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: politeness Message-ID: <20001004105021.G7292@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <50956.970600554@critter> <4.3.2.7.2.20001003132247.043d11e0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003132247.043d11e0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:37:30PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 3 October 2000 at 13:37:30 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 01:15 PM 10/3/2000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> *I* don't demand that you be silenced, I just ignore twits like you. > > If you absolutely can't bear to read what I have to say, perhaps it > would be better if you were true to your word and actually did > ignore me. However, I would hope that you would have enough of a > stomach to be able to read the occasional opinion which is different > from yours. Brett, I think you're missing the point. Like many people, Poul-Henning and I tend to delete your messages unread. When people start complaining, we take an occasional look, like I have done now. This doesn't mean that we don't have strong stomachs, nor that we can't put up with other people's opinions. In fact, Poul-Henning and I disagree on a number of topics, but that doesn't stop us from talking to each other. It also doesn't stop me from talking to you when there's something useful to say. The real reason we tend to ignore your mail is that we have only ever heard one opinion from you, and the repetitions are getting boring. >> Let me try to explain this very slowly again: >> >> An ever increasing number of people *do* ask for you to be banned >> and/or filtered. > > Other than one flamer, you are the only one who is asking. No, that's not correct. I've heard this from a number of people (> 5, anyway). > Worse still, you are going further and making threats. As I have > already said, this is inappropriate behavior for someone who claims > to be worthy of a leadership position. I've accused Poul-Henning of being heavy-handed in the past. I can't see him doing so here. >> If you finally figured out what is being said here, I would expect >> it to be enough to start introspective thought processes in you, >> (but so far I se absolutely no signs of such activity). > > My messages on the FreeBSD lists are motivated by a desire to advance > the project and promote the use of its software. If I make a > technical mistake (and who doesn't?), I admit it and do not claim > to be infallible or omniscient. To be fair, I haven't seen many retractions on your part. I'm not going to be drawn into yet another fruitless discussion on the part you play in the FreeBSD project. I do get the impression that a number of people equate you to a kind of bogey man, and whether this is justified or not, it would be wrong to ignore the problem. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message