From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 24 00:28:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1160B16A409 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (bhuda.mired.org [66.92.153.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B962913C45E for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: (qmail 57738 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Feb 2008 00:26:45 -0000 Received: from bhuda.mired.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bhuda.mired.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:26:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:26:44 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080223192644.13a33408@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <20080223214913.GE39699@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20080222.225937.-146245356.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223.000308.686168314.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223123556.3eee709d@bhuda.mired.org> <20080223.110047.-397883947.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223131937.182373b2@bhuda.mired.org> <20080223214913.GE39699@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.12; amd64-portbld-freebsd6.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: Mike Meyer Subject: Re: find -lname and -ilname implemented X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:28:02 -0000 On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:49:13 -0600 Brooks Davis wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 01:19:37PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:00:47 -0700 (MST) "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > While I understand that it's easier to fix the BSD find, have you > > tried filing bug reports with patches for the tools that assume GNU > > find? That would help people outside the BSD community as well. > I think you may underestimate the value of compatibility. For example, I > think a lot of the successes bsdtar is having are due to the fact that > it's as much of a dropin replacement for gnutar is possible. If we want > to increase our market share one of the ways we can do it is to make > things easier for people who are interested in adopting our technologies > for what ever reason. If we can spend a few KB here and there to make > their transition easier, I think it's well worth it. If anything, what I'm miss-estimating is the value of a quality implementation, and ranking it to high. I have a long history of choosing things based on technical excellence rather than popularity, and the closet full of orphans to prove it. In particular, given the choice between a tool becoming useless because it's become an unsupported orphan, or having it become useless because the developers started choosing popularity over quality (and I've seen that happen as well), I'll take the former every time. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.