From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 28 18:22:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 570F18D6 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A17E3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1417198929; bh=D4eCdZV8NhYEimHOsWdkV0j/QE1pG9ggVsuvDEljj9s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=Qve2rV2H0no0zDbImT9YxWnNbBrboFPTLvmLL/DH4G6qXM9MeahXCdLzBl7Kl/kjzDomp3iQ0KYJZaK5oyhpQJ6mxrcc9xz+1ABtERuw9p0MkyCnQ5zxwZtjwdpmDbIjPom3sjnIQILjNhJVdOiNaqNC3p+pfsiGfZgwrEEPYzuRBIoqUKcryVwqmW6poN2fUhwgKs5WqJogDiIZO/kukQegA2AsTH5RqmuZ6uVTnjlttYpxFL5KRDCxHnD5XGeRkFYdyoo/EJURv8b+OsDyuTI7Nr1W2Bm7Oy+GzzyHUa4OUPuq1AANpPOevzt/jDEm1EgbWraF7KQmIYzi36kqlw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=rBxLfeAVT5E9UkUmwdC0oiOq6+pnlYcWvJSn28BGw9+khum0QCDN1/ZZ0zImXNPp8sLEuyE5Y7Ac12UEdMosbaaryVaqlZQtDmW2mEcwxFTI65fohW8ANI7PyvOS65kZI/eNeKD/lHE0AEd4pcJ6G8dqOSDYbQDcMN30paWtTDaM1/Nzb9nySUwoXdH7UpQ1gFGgUexn2cCTPskwvlnR8zyPWZymKzxJ50t/LgVOjSK15L/7bE+/k/wzn1rhNsiK4Xxgh+qeu4OlyHj4o813sIOyFZ+hbKLSZNjmVHxKO9cVZYuj1pNWN0VKvky7AvNqojyClGxlgpwPWEUDKhL0wQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:22:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.162] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:22:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2014 18:22:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 481391.28970.bm@smtp219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: T68zZXsVM1ntNn3mdWzx8Pr4HYmlpZqb0Er80ktsJmVtW24 C36Vf6D3EVNRZ6Mb2oryV6rV861BwYH6r6Pr1ZeUqZ3xYkp1TD7R4RqX4sVi u4BPOA0MygkWzL0Hgts5QZfOAX4DKUyAHTB6PIXZV73xO2YyC.LSGH53HyB1 tBAtoVDjzccmLJM.34tKJOjJoaX2bxaTuwDdFCL7R6El02D.t38pRT18xShO hrQnZwLItT0uKEk2WB3YxQ.FcKKyDGY3G6ro.PliezOWdQjY2cBlL23uMmhq 0Cic13HW1ThT6JIX7EURrjdvJVEIPNEHCU1cZMTywaXnivEIs_k78x2Dj3xq lUd2WvXfFpmRp_xIilOU_gfbAD9Bm_lchNPaQWyPLiwXlZnXxoXUnlB0_sMi dM9Zv2pPX8pzmb2wibt8wAbTxxzWqGjugmGt0AOI7nAfYugphDQJDmnWCJvN tov_EgUqy0NoonmWumB8dh1H_T9mAgMWOhNkuaJw84KHfwih1cwQHEXUj7CV z2tXGDvMJ0iWvMqy98IEdKxT5CyyOkKQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <5478BD4F.7020306@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:22:07 -0500 From: Paul Pathiakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPS for FreeBSD References: <54777AB1.9010800@bluerosetech.com> <54779629.302@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:11 -0000 I agree with Warren on this, I've done the same. The only issue with this is the proper disposal of the old batteries. On 11/27/2014 16:48, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > >> A 750VA or 1000VA SmartUPS can be had for around $250, and every now >> and the big box stores and Walmart carry them for around $300. Not >> too bad considering what you get. > > As I've said before, I prefer to buy the high-level APC units at > auctions, SUA1500 or the equivalent rackmount version. The batteries > are always bad, but I have yet to have the UPS itself not work. True > sinewave output, and, including the cost of new batteries, a 90% or > more discount. > > There are places that sell these refurbished also. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" As for the rest of the things on the follow up letters: > SmartUPS SMT750, 750VA, sine output. from their web site, under the SMT750 Features page: * Pure sine wave output on battery:Simulates utility power to provide the highest degree of compatibility for active PFC (power factor corrected) servers and sensitive electronics. "Simulates" utility power. This is the sneaky little bit of marketing. Saying it's sine output.... It is, but it's simulated. I've been roped in by the APC marketing machine previously. Basically, from my understanding, in today's market, you can't get True Double Sine conversion for less than $600 as the components that are necessary to provide that kind of clean power cost at least $400-$500. > Also, someone mentioned Eaton, I've had several. The story with each of > them is bad. The electronics failed in each instance and Eaton was not > helpful at all. They told me they would send a 'technician' for $175/hr > to just diagnose the problem. No thanks....Negativity bias. > Please keep this thread limited to factual information. I'm sorry I don't understand the above. I stopped using them about 8 years ago after 4-5 units had gone bad. *shrug* To me, that's a fact. :-) They were all of the same type. Eaton power 1500 VA rackmount that were purchased new for about $1250 each. Sorry, due to the time that's passed, I no longer have documentation about the purchase of that company's capital equipment. However, if it's wrong to share my experiences with a product, that's fine and I won't. These were all front end electronics failures, not the batteries. However, trying to steer people clear of making a mistake....? Eaton makes some awesome "large" units. However, these were rack mount for a "small" server room. > As I said, the Opti-UPS I > got was cheap... 2000VA 1400W and was $900 shipped to me. You'll need to be more specific. Opti-UPS makes both stepped and sine products. Again, this is the "Durable Series". They start with DS-1000 DS-1500 DS-2000 DS-3000. They are double-sine ouput. I'm using them now. I have a DS-2000 and a DS-3000. (The DS-3000 required a 30A circuit with and L6-30 outlet be put in.) However, the DS-2000 can work off a straight 20A 115W circuit. Sorry, about the 'interspersed' posting. P.