From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 28 00:01:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ABF16A407 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6606043D46 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:01:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmarshal2.bytecraft.internal (svmarshal2.bytecraft.internal [10.0.0.3]) by bcmelmx.bytecraft.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8S01R0o008320; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:01:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from MTaylor@bytecraft.com.au) Received: from svmailmel.bytecraft.internal (Not Verified[10.0.0.24]) by svmarshal2.bytecraft.internal with MailMarshal (v6, 1, 4, 441) id ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:01:27 +1000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:01:26 +1000 Message-ID: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F11EF6E9@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pdf editor Thread-Index: AcbihaTmhrI5V58YSHyPwlYaGiLfKQACgqog From: "Murray Taylor" To: "Damian Wiest" , "Anton Shterenlikht" Cc: George Allan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: pdf editor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:01:51 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Damian Wiest > Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 3:33 AM > To: Anton Shterenlikht > Cc: George Allan; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: pdf editor >=20 > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:14:03PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > Maybe it's time to reconsider the nature of that itch? PDF was=20 > > > never meant to be edited (except peripherally), and most=20 > definitely=20 > > > not in the sense that you're thinking. Consider it a=20 > FINAL "print"=20 > > > format, like an image that's long since left the=20 > photographer, his=20 > > > studio and his camera and now exists only as a JPG on a=20 > hard drive. > > > =20 > >=20 > > Agreed. But what if I'm writing a paper for a scientific journal in=20 > > latex on my freebsd and my coauthors just can't be persuaded to use=20 > > anything that's not already exist on their windows PCs? I find the=20 > > results of latex2html or latex2rtf of poor quality (even=20 > for editing=20 > > purposes), i.e. lots of errors, problems with references,=20 > etc. Maybe I=20 > > need to learn how to use these tools better. > >=20 > > Lately I was sending them pdfs and got in reply some pdfs that can=20 > > only be viewed properly with the latest acrobat, and their comments=20 > > are only visible on the screen anyway and cannot at all be printed. > >=20 > > So what do I do? More broadly, what is the solution for cross-=20 > > platform (*nix - windows - vms) editing of a complex document, with=20 > > lots of maths, line plots and raster images? > >=20 > > anton >=20 > Agree on a document format? >=20 > -Damian Use the minimalist elements of latex as a 'document markup',=20 and write in wordpad on the windows box as that seems to understand newlines, explain to them the concept of 'getting the content right first' _and then_=20 doing the fussy layout. And put all the images, and plots into jpegs=20 'for discussion' during the writing process, with appropriate document markers. Just gotta come up with a way to do the maths in a common format (again teach 'em latex, by showing them the difference if the finished product a few times for some complex equation/theorem/lemma etc) lotsa luck! BTW I have had these 'discussion' before and another argument is disk space I had a writer generate over 15Gb of documents in all the initial.=20 'required to be held' intermediate formats and finals forms.=20 along with the humungous hi res screen grabs....=20 My versions fitted on a DVD. A Makefile, the latex source, and realistic jpegs. =20 cheers mjt --------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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