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Date:      Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:11:35 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Nielsen <nielsen@memberwebs.com>
Cc:        Joao Carlos <jcrr@ieee.org>, Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@icir.org>, Ken Ebling <kebling@us-it.net>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ipfw/dummynet suggestion
Message-ID:  <3D1E3EA7.6F7CFC2E@mindspring.com>
References:  <000801c21f1c$029cefe0$0201a8c0@Ken> <3D1D4EB3.9410011@mindspring.com> <20020629170251.65DDB43E13@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <20020629110237.A73787@iguana.icir.org> <001f01c21f99$3c363cc0$1e6eb0c8@pchome> <3D1E2B38.A70658EA@mindspring.com> <20020629225348.F2DAD43E06@mx1.FreeBSD.org>

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Nielsen wrote:
> > Seriously, I'm wondering what "security restrictions" are so
> > onerous that users are willing to change their IP addresses to
> > get around them, and why they are there in the first place?
> 
> Well in certain cases it's company policy that certain machines (ie: users)
> can't browse the web during certain hours. I didn't make the rules, just
> asked to implement them.

Yes, this is the same restriction that we were asked to implement
in the InterJet, even though it meant the proxy software had to be
non-transparent in order to grab credentials, and made life very
complicated for all the engineers.

I rather expect that you will find people fighting to step on the
MAC address of any middle and upper management machine that spends
any time at all in the "off" or "undocked" state.

If your users want, I can give them some pointers to sites on how
they can do this under Windows.  8-).

Luigi is right: the only place you can really do this at this
level is under Windows.

The other alternative is to run a socks proxy, and make them use
that to get out to the Internet, giveing internal users a non-routable
IP address and/or simply blocking the entire netblock, minus a couple
of static IP addresses (e.g. the gateway server/socks server).

Unless you are in a country that charges for the sending of packets
(like Japan), then you probably should not be trying to block
employees from going to www.m-w.com in order to use a thesaurus.

Note that there are a number of Windows products available (e.g.
"CyberPatrol", etc.) that can do what you want from a single
machine, as long as they are located somewhere on the wire out
(they do it by forging failure packets back from the remote
system the user attempts to contact).  Maybe you just need to
buy a copy of "NetNanny" or whatever?

-- Terry

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