From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 9 15:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06584 for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06574 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA15328; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:59:32 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA17653; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:59:30 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981110095930.H499@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:59:30 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Steve Friedrich , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Plea to core team References: <199811091737.MAA31468@laker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199811091737.MAA31468@laker.net>; from Steve Friedrich on Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 12:36:08PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 9 November 1998 at 12:36:08 -0500, Steve Friedrich wrote: > I wonder if anyone subscribed to -questions besides me thinks that the > 3.0R shouldn't have been made generally available. It is allowing > total morons to destroy FreeBSD's reputation due to their incompetence. > 3.0R SHOULD be only installed by people with a freakin clue. Not > total newbies. It has resulted in a tremendous amount of noise on this > forum, because these newbies think they should be running the latest > and greatest. They aren't reading the release notes or anything else. > Please don't let them continue. Make 3.0R available only to those > willing to certify: > > 1. They are NOT using it in a production environment > 2. They have extensive FreeBSD experience > 3. They have extensive Unix System Admin experience > 4. They realize 3.X is not yet supported > 5. They are not Microsoft agents looking for an opportunity to bash any > non-Microsoft system > > 3.0R is NOT ready for prime time, i.e., it's not ready for newbies. People have been using -CURRENT for production systems for years. Heck, I do it myself :-) Admittedly, though, you need to understand what you're doing. I was not completely happy with the decision to release 3.0-RELEASE. Maybe we should have called it 3.0-PRERELEASE, or 3.0-RESTRICTED, or some such, just to make it clear that we didn't expect the same stability from a .0 release as we would from others. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message