From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 22:33:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD4737B401; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0631F43F93; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0352.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.97] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 198Ct1-0002Zq-00; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:33:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3EA62568.BE077889@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:32:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <20030422031429.GA82023@chihiro.leafy.idv.tw> <20030423041754.N18663@gamplex.bde.org> <20030422203234.GE2843@trudy.torrini.home> <20030423003931.GB66188@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4da3d45f2a53477a44c461bdb1156359f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is there a header conflict? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:33:44 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 01:53:16PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > No, it's promptly ignored because it's just useless words that require > an implementation before it can be of any use to anyone. > > I've been offering for several years now to mentor you through the > process of developing a prototype that is useful to FreeBSD and to > work with you on getting it accepted into FreeBSD, but as usual you're > more interested in talking about how cool it would be to have, than in > following through with code. The code is trivial. > The offer remains open... I have an implementation. Offer to let me sell it using the name "FreeBSD" without it going back to the FreeBSD source code for a year, and then maybe we can make a deal. My problem with doing productization work (and Brett Glass' problem, and a lot of other people's problem) is, and remains, use of the trademark without an identical-to-disc-1-disc-and-its-sucky-installer in the final distribution. I'd even be willing to accept a license like the original soft updates license, where people other than me are not allowed to distribute binaries for a year (give me a 1 year exclusive on the ISO's I create). FWIW: SCO released their Xenix packaging utilities *years* ago; if FreeBSD were really interested in the technology, rather than some schmuck taking over all the work with none of the money, then they'd just take that code and use it directly. I notice Jordan bowed out of this particular hole... smart guy, Jordan. -- Terry "Not A Schmuck" Lambert