Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:28 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Kirk Strauser <kirk@strauser.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Detaching program from controlling terminal Message-ID: <20040615171028.GB94698@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <877ju84vj1.fsf@strauser.com> References: <40CE8CB9.9050504@synthexp.net> <20040615131601.GA32001@millerlite.local.mark-and-erika.com> <20040615134621.GA91079@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <877ju84vj1.fsf@strauser.com>
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--oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:48:34AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2004-06-15T13:46:21Z, Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk>= writes: >=20 > > The fact that sysadmins generally don't know users' passwords, and have= no > > practical means of finding them out if the user doesn't want them to kn= ow > > what it is. >=20 > Install and play with "john". It was enlightening for me. There was a tacit assumption in what I was saying that users wouldn't choose weak passwords. Now, I know that is completely unrealistic and never happens in practice unless a suitably large stick is weilded to concentrate the lusers' minds. It's the difference between theory and practice. =20 > > Since the sysadmin doesn't know what the users' password is on the syst= ems > > he admins, the user can safely use the same password on other systems w= ith > > different admins. >=20 > For the sake of clarity, is that your belief, or are you explaining what > other peoples' opinions? That's the theoretical ideal, assuming that everybody concerned acts in a reasonable way so as not to leave security holes that you could drive a truck through... In practice, it probably isn't like that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAzy2EiD657aJF7eIRAi9QAKCqfUI3F9pAq8nEQ4Lxvu7WYCkGtgCfXtgs F31OqAihki5a+6rBxmyQYuE= =+hjx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl--
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