From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Oct 23 7:54:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D822337B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25045 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:54:46 -0400 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9NEtje37903 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:55:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:55:45 -0400 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENT Message-ID: <20011023105544.B37753@acadia.ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <001c01c15b97$75bb8f20$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <001c01c15b97$75bb8f20$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10/23/01 12:51 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt sat at the `puter and typed: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Julian Morgan > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:49 PM > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: REQUEST FOR COMMENT > [ . . . ] > > Following that is often the ease of use argument. Well, the key to > fighting this one is two-pronged. First your own house must be in > order, if you have lingering problems with your deployment then you > must fix them. You also have to understand that the achilles heel of > this argument is that usage is only as good as the monkey behind the > wheel. It makes no difference how easy something is to run - morons > will be successfully able to wreck anything through incompetence. And this gets into my favorite argument against buying *ANYTHING* because it's easy to use: They make it easy to use so you can hire unskilled people to use it, but do you really want a moron running your security? Might as well open the gateway up and give out the password. I prefer to develop something to do the damn job! Make it intuitive to the knowledgable user - if it's Granny trying to read email, then fine, that's your target user, but Granny isn't your target user for a damn FIREWALL! Now go get the PHBs! Good luck Lou -- Louis LeBlanc leblanc@acadia.ne.mediaone.net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://acadia.ne.mediaone.net ԿԬ Bradley's Bromide: If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee -- that will do them in. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message