From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 29 10:04:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4491065673 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE148FC16 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YZzP1a0010b6N64A6a4ggA; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:40 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ya4f1a0012P6wsM8Pa4fMv; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xfgAq_I20MYA:10 a=6g13V3AkWZwA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=-sc8AqO9mAsPrA1F_oYA:9 a=mfXcWpJ_-3vfIvdZZzMA:7 a=FevcdIOOxWUqKzuO7oWDxSxv24UA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 077E1C9419; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:04:39 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Carl Message-ID: <20081029100439.GA73714@icarus.home.lan> References: <49067148.6080307@telus.net> <20081028024143.GA37131@icarus.home.lan> <20081028120407.G3326@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081028122013.GA49298@icarus.home.lan> <4907DB6B.8090000@telus.net> <20081029043314.GA66773@icarus.home.lan> <49082625.7080804@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49082625.7080804@telus.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror slice insertion, "FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:40 -0000 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:00:21AM -0700, Carl wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> Seagate chooses to encode some raw data for some SMART attributes in a >> custom format. The format is not publicly documented. This is why you >> have to go off of the adjusted values shown in VALUE/WORST/THRESH. >> "How am I supposed to know all of this?!" You aren't -- it comes with >> experience. > > And yet my failing drive's VALUE numbers are still all above their > THRESH values, despite it being bad enough to cripple the system. One > might argue those threshold values leave something to be desired. I'd urge you to file complaint(s) with drive manufacturers, as they're the ones who decide the values. Thresholds are not defined per the ATA-ATAPI specification, so technically they can pick whatever value they want. This is exactly why you'll encounter people screaming "SMART is worthless, the drive is already dead by the time the overall SMART health check fails!" If you go this route, please CC me, as I'd be quite to see what manufacturers have to say. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |