Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:24:56 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton@gmail.com> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD <PETER.HARRISON@dwp.gsi.gov.uk>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE... Message-ID: <ef10de9a0604111324y6801eefn46808fffa8156d1b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNOEJPFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> References: <ef10de9a0604110405w5af9a41aw125bf278ec0e8def@mail.gmail.com> <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNOEJPFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
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On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote: > I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be > done on the disk driver. See PR 95184. It was right to shift the > release schedule. > > I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many > people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days, > how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb > disks are wiping everything else off the map. > > In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high > speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude > faster than anything else. Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI > array you want to throw at it. And larger. and a LOT cheaper. > > And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going > to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you > have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with > a desktop PC and costs only $200 (which will happen by the middle > of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up > to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of > desktops like that would be out of the question. > Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk sizes. > And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has > come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share. > Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to > the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in > the Linux distros. Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney > motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA > chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going > to provide drivers for anything other than Windows. > > FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already > better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before > 6.1 ships. > The person you should thank is S=F8ren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/ > You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as > buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. - > but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on > the hardware that you can even patch. You are dead in the water > and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the > FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else. > I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands. -- BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/
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