From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Sep 29 08:51:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B665AE27499 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:51:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markmi@dsl-only.net) Received: from asp.reflexion.net (outbound-mail-211-151.reflexion.net [208.70.211.151]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48BA983619 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markmi@dsl-only.net) Received: (qmail 3263 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2017 08:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-cs-02.app.dca.reflexion.local) (10.81.19.2) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 29 Sep 2017 08:51:40 -0000 Received: by mail-cs-02.app.dca.reflexion.local (Reflexion email security v8.40.3) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5292 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2017 08:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iron2.pdx.net) (69.64.224.71) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with (AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 Sep 2017 08:51:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.109] (c-67-170-167-181.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.170.167.181]) by iron2.pdx.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B8A8EC8148; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 01:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: head -r324071 system clang 5 based powerpc64 building ports: lang/gcc7 messed up by a matching name vec_step? [vec_step macro name in gcc7's altivec.h] Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 01:51:39 -0700 References: <47941770-2A08-4524-8BCC-3FE1D2F3B7F2@dsl-only.net> To: FreeBSD PowerPC ML , FreeBSD Toolchain , FreeBSD Ports , Gerald Pfeifer In-Reply-To: <47941770-2A08-4524-8BCC-3FE1D2F3B7F2@dsl-only.net> Message-Id: <54D59906-80CE-4936-B5FD-BCCD87A09F76@dsl-only.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:51:42 -0000 [Looks like gcc7 might be causing its own problem via a vec_step macro name in its altivec.h .] On 2017-Sep-29, at 1:14 AM, Mark Millard wrote: > I attempted a poudriere based build of some > ports and the gcc7 build involved failed > with the following sorts of notices: >=20 >=20 > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:3835:27: = error: expected unqualified-id > tree new_vec, vec_init, vec_step, t; > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:3835:26: = error: expected ';' at end of declaration > tree new_vec, vec_init, vec_step, t; > ^ > ; > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:3983:3: = error: use of undeclared identifier 't' > t =3D unshare_expr (new_name); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:3988:49: = error: use of undeclared identifier 't' > new_vec =3D build_vector_from_val (stepvectype, t); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:3989:12: = error: expected expression > vec_step =3D vect_init_vector (iv_phi, new_vec, stepvectype, NULL); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:4011:75: = error: expected expression > new_stmt =3D gimple_build_assign (vec_dest, PLUS_EXPR, induc_def, = vec_step); > = ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:4048:7: = error: use of undeclared identifier 't' > t =3D unshare_expr (new_name); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:4051:53: = error: use of undeclared identifier 't' > new_vec =3D build_vector_from_val (stepvectype, t); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:4052:16: = error: expected expression > vec_step =3D vect_init_vector (iv_phi, new_vec, stepvectype, = NULL); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:4060:25: = error: expected expression > vec_def, vec_step); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:6327:9: = error: expected unqualified-id > tree vec_step =3D build_vector_from_val = (cr_index_vector_type, step); > ^ > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/tree-vect-loop.c:6333:36: = error: expected expression > create_iv (series_vect, vec_step, NULL_TREE, loop, &incr_gsi, > ^ > 50 warnings and 12 errors generated. > gmake[3]: *** [Makefile:1099: tree-vect-loop.o] Error 1 > gmake[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... > 42 warnings generated. > 51 warnings generated. > 50 warnings generated. > rm gfortran.pod gcc.pod > gmake[3]: Leaving directory = '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/.build/gcc' > gmake[2]: *** [Makefile:4225: all-gcc] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/.build' > gmake[1]: *** [Makefile:893: all] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/lang/gcc7/work/.build' > =3D=3D=3D> Compilation failed unexpectedly. > Try to set MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes and rebuild before reporting the = failure to > the maintainer. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/lang/gcc7 > =3D>> Cleaning up wrkdir > =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for gcc7-7.2.0_1 > build of lang/gcc7 | gcc7-7.2.0_1 ended at Fri Sep 29 00:22:00 PDT = 2017 > build time: 00:29:27 > !!! build failure encountered !!! Turns out that there is: # grep -r "\" ~/poudriere_failure/lang_gcc7/ | more . . . = /root/poudriere_failure/lang_gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec= .h:/* Given the vec_step of a type, return the corresponding bool type. = */ = /root/poudriere_failure/lang_gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec= .h:typename __altivec_bool_ret ::__ret \ = /root/poudriere_failure/lang_gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec= .h: to #define vec_step to __builtin_vec_step. */ = /root/poudriere_failure/lang_gcc7/work/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec= .h:#define vec_step(x) __builtin_vec_step (* (__typeof__ (x) *) 0) . . . ( config/s390/vecintrin.h has something similar.) > FYI: >=20 > # grep -r "\" /usr/src/* | more > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/AST/ASTDumper.cpp: OS << " = vec_step"; > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/AST/StmtPrinter.cpp: OS << = "vec_step"; > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/AST/ExprConstant.cpp:/// = VisitUnaryExprOrTypeTraitExpr - Evaluate a sizeof, alignof or vec_step = with > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/AST/ExprConstant.cpp: // = The vec_step built-in functions that take a 3-component > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/AST/ItaniumMangle.cpp: = "cannot yet mangle vec_step expression"); > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Headers/opencl-c.h: * by = vec_step(gentypem). The shuffle mask operand > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp: case = tok::kw_vec_step: // unary-expression: OpenCL 'vec_step' expression > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp:/// vec_step = and we are at the start of an expression or a parenthesized > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp:/// [OpenCL = 1.1 6.11.12] vec_step built-in function: > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp:/// = vec_step ( expressions ) > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp:/// = vec_step ( type-name ) > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp: = "Not a typeof/sizeof/alignof/vec_step expression!"); > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Parse/ParseExpr.cpp: = "Not a sizeof/alignof/vec_step expression!"); > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/SemaExpr.cpp: // [OpenCL = 1.1 6.11.12] "The vec_step built-in function takes a built-in > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/lib/Sema/TreeTransform.h: /// = \brief Build a new sizeof, alignof or vec_step expression with a > /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/AST/Expr.h:/// = vec_step (OpenCL 1.1 6.11.12). > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/ASTMatchers/ASTMatchers.h:= /// \brief Matches sizeof (C99), alignof (C++11) and vec_step (OpenCL) > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/DiagnosticSemaKinds.= td: "invalid application of '%select{sizeof|alignof|vec_step}0' to a " > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/DiagnosticSemaKinds.= td: "invalid application of '%select{sizeof|alignof|vec_step}0' to a = void " > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/DiagnosticSemaKinds.= td: "invalid application of = '%select{sizeof|alignof|vec_step|__builtin_omp_required_simd_align}0' to = a void type">; > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/DiagnosticSemaKinds.= td: "invalid application of = '%select{sizeof|alignof|vec_step|__builtin_omp_required_simd_align}0' to = an " > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/DiagnosticSemaKinds.= td: "invalid application of = '%select{sizeof|alignof|vec_step|__builtin_omp_required_simd_align}0' to = a " > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/DiagnosticSemaKinds.= td: "'vec_step' requires built-in scalar or vector type, %0 invalid">; > = /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/clang/include/clang/Basic/TokenKinds.def:KEYWO= RD(vec_step , KEYOPENCL|KEYALTIVEC|KEYZVECTOR) > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec.h:/* Given the vec_step of = a type, return the corresponding bool type. */ > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec.h:typename = __altivec_bool_ret ::__ret \ > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec.h: to #define vec_step to = __builtin_vec_step. */ > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/config/rs6000/altivec.h:#define vec_step(x) = __builtin_vec_step (* (__typeof__ (x) *) 0) > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/ChangeLog-2002: * config/rs6000/altivec.h = (vec_step): Remove extraneous > /usr/src/contrib/gcc/ChangeLog-2002: (vec_step): Implement for C++. >=20 >=20 > Context: >=20 > # uname -apKU > FreeBSD FBSDG5L 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r324071M powerpc = powerpc64 1200047 1200047 >=20 > Built via amd64 -> powerpc64 cross build, using clang > for buildworld: >=20 > [Note: The kernel was built with gcc 4.2.1 .] >=20 > # poudriere jail -l > JAILNAME VERSION ARCH METHOD TIMESTAMP = PATH > FBSDpowerpc64 12.0-CURRENT powerpc.powerpc64 null 2017-09-28 = 20:55:01 /usr/obj/DESTDIRs/clang-powerpc64-installworld_altbinutils-poud >=20 > (It is using /usr/src .) >=20 > # poudriere ports -l > PORTSTREE METHOD TIMESTAMP PATH > default null 2017-09-28 17:04:57 /usr/ports >=20 >=20 > # more = ~/src.configs/src.conf.powerpc64-clang_altbinutils-bootstrap.amd64-host=20= > TO_TYPE=3Dpowerpc64 > TOOLS_TO_TYPE=3D${TO_TYPE} > VERSION_CONTEXT=3D12.0 > # > KERNCONF=3DGENERIC64vtsc-NODBG > TARGET=3Dpowerpc > .if ${.MAKE.LEVEL} =3D=3D 0 > TARGET_ARCH=3D${TO_TYPE} > .export TARGET_ARCH > .endif > # > WITH_CROSS_COMPILER=3D > WITHOUT_SYSTEM_COMPILER=3D > # > WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=3D > WITHOUT_BINUTILS_BOOTSTRAP=3D > WITH_ELFTOOLCHAIN_BOOTSTRAP=3D > WITH_CLANG_BOOTSTRAP=3D > WITH_CLANG=3D > WITH_CLANG_IS_CC=3D > WITH_CLANG_FULL=3D > WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=3D > WITHOUT_LLD_BOOTSTRAP=3D > WITH_LLD=3D > WITHOUT_LLD_IS_LD=3D > WITH_LLDB=3D > # > WITH_BOOT=3D > WITH_LIB32=3D > # > WITHOUT_GCC_BOOTSTRAP=3D > WITHOUT_GCC=3D > WITHOUT_GCC_IS_CC=3D > WITHOUT_GNUCXX=3D > # > NO_WERROR=3D > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3D > # > # Avoid converts between pointers to integer types with different sign = [-Werror,-Wpointer-sign] > # and such from blocking the build. > WERROR=3D > # > WITH_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD=3D > WITH_DEBUG_FILES=3D > # > # > # For TO (so-called "cross") stages . . . > # So-called-cross via ${TO_TYPE}-xtoolchain-gcc/${TO_TYPE}-gcc. . . > # TOOLS_TO_TYPE based on ${TO_TYPE}-xtoolchain-gcc related binutils. . = . > # > CROSS_BINUTILS_PREFIX=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/ > .if ${.MAKE.LEVEL} =3D=3D 0 > # > # Note: The WITH_CROSS_COMPILER picks up the CROSS_BINUTILS_PREFIX > # binding automatically. > # > XAS=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/as > XAR=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/ar > XNM=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/nm > XOBJCOPY=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/objcopy > XOBJDUMP=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/objdump > XRANLIB=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/ranlib > XSIZE=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/size > #NO-SUCH: XSTRINGS=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/strings > XSTRINGS=3D/usr/local/bin/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd-strings > .export XAS > .export XAR > .export XNM > .export XOBJCOPY > .export XOBJDUMP > .export XRANLIB > .export XSIZE > .export XSTRINGS > XLD=3D/usr/local/${TOOLS_TO_TYPE}-freebsd/bin/ld > .export XLD > .endif >=20 > # svnlite status /usr/src/ | sort > ? /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC-DBG > ? /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC-NODBG > ? /usr/src/sys/arm/conf/GENERIC-DBG > ? /usr/src/sys/arm/conf/GENERIC-NODBG > ? /usr/src/sys/arm64/conf/GENERIC-DBG > ? /usr/src/sys/arm64/conf/GENERIC-NODBG > ? /usr/src/sys/powerpc/conf/GENERIC64vtsc-DBG > ? /usr/src/sys/powerpc/conf/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG > ? /usr/src/sys/powerpc/conf/GENERICvtsc-DBG > ? /usr/src/sys/powerpc/conf/GENERICvtsc-NODBG > M /usr/src/contrib/llvm/lib/Target/PowerPC/PPCFrameLowering.cpp > M /usr/src/contrib/llvm/tools/lld/ELF/Arch/PPC64.cpp > M /usr/src/crypto/openssl/crypto/armcap.c > M /usr/src/lib/Makefile > M /usr/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_powerpc.c > M /usr/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_private.c > M /usr/src/sys/arm64/arm64/identcpu.c > M /usr/src/sys/arm64/arm64/mp_machdep.c > M /usr/src/sys/boot/ofw/Makefile.inc > M /usr/src/sys/boot/powerpc/Makefile.inc > M /usr/src/sys/boot/powerpc/boot1.chrp/Makefile > M /usr/src/sys/boot/powerpc/kboot/Makefile > M /usr/src/sys/boot/uboot/Makefile.inc > M /usr/src/sys/conf/kmod.mk > M /usr/src/sys/conf/ldscript.powerpc > M /usr/src/sys/ddb/db_main.c > M /usr/src/sys/ddb/db_script.c > M /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_pcpu.c > M /usr/src/sys/powerpc/aim/mmu_oea64.c > M /usr/src/sys/powerpc/ofw/ofw_machdep.c > M /usr/src/sys/powerpc/powerpc/interrupt.c > M /usr/src/sys/powerpc/powerpc/mp_machdep.c > M /usr/src/sys/powerpc/powerpc/trap.c >=20 >=20 >=20 > # svnlite info /usr/ports/ | grep "Re[plv]" > Relative URL: ^/head > Repository Root: svn://svn0.us-west.freebsd.org/ports > Repository UUID: 35697150-7ecd-e111-bb59-0022644237b5 > Revision: 450478 > Last Changed Rev: 450478 >=20 > # svnlite status /usr/ports > M /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk > M /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.qt.mk > M /usr/ports/audio/liba52/Makefile > M /usr/ports/base/gcc/Makefile > M /usr/ports/base/gcc/distinfo > M /usr/ports/base/gcc/pkg-plist > M /usr/ports/devel/libunwind/Makefile > ? = /usr/ports/devel/qt5/files/extrapatch-config.tests_unix_arch.test > M /usr/ports/lang/gcc7/Makefile > M /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrdao/Makefile > ? = /usr/ports/www/qt5-webkit/files/patch-Source_JavaScriptCore_assembler_ARMA= ssembler.h > ? = /usr/ports/www/qt5-webkit/files/patch-Source_JavaScriptCore_assembler_ARMv= 7Assembler.h > ? = /usr/ports/www/qt5-webkit/files/patch-Source_JavaScriptCore_offlineasm_arm= .rb > ? = /usr/ports/www/qt5-webkit/files/patch-Source_WTF_wtf_Platform.h > ? = /usr/ports/www/qt5-webkit/files/patch-Source_WebCore_platform_graphics_cpu= _arm_filters_FELightingNEON.cpp > ? = /usr/ports/www/qt5-webkit/files/patch-Source_bmalloc_bmalloc_BPlatform.h >=20 >=20 > # more /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf > WANT_QT_VERBOSE_CONFIGURE=3D1 > # > DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dperl5=3D5.24 gcc=3D7 > # > # =46rom a local /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk extension: > ALLOW_OPTIMIZATIONS_FOR_WITH_DEBUG=3D > # > .if ${.CURDIR:M*/devel/llvm*} > #WITH_DEBUG=3D > .elif ${.CURDIR:M*/www/qt5-webkit*} > #WITH_DEBUG=3D > .else > WITH_DEBUG=3D > .endif > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3D > # > # The system clang for TARGET_ARCH=3Dpowerpc64 > # and the system binutils (such as ld) do not > # (yet?) mix well. So for ports use the > # devel/binutils ones. (A problem before > # they are already in place!) > #USE_BINUTILS=3D > CFLAGS+=3D-B${LOCALBASE}/bin/ > CXXFLAGS+=3D-B${LOCALBASE}/bin/ > CPPFLAGS+=3D-B${LOCALBASE}/bin/ >=20 >=20 > # svnlite diff /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk > Index: /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > --- /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk (revision 450478) > +++ /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk (working copy) > @@ -1130,12 +1130,12 @@ >=20 > # Get the operating system type > .if !defined(OPSYS) > -OPSYS!=3D ${UNAME} -s > +OPSYS!=3D echo FreeBSD > .endif > _EXPORTED_VARS+=3D OPSYS >=20 > .if !defined(_OSRELEASE) > -_OSRELEASE!=3D ${UNAME} -r > +_OSRELEASE!=3D echo 12.0-CURRENT > .endif > _EXPORTED_VARS+=3D _OSRELEASE >=20 > @@ -1651,7 +1651,11 @@ > STRIP_CMD=3D ${TRUE} > .endif > DEBUG_FLAGS?=3D -g > +.if defined(ALLOW_OPTIMIZATIONS_FOR_WITH_DEBUG) > +CFLAGS:=3D ${CFLAGS} ${DEBUG_FLAGS} > +.else > CFLAGS:=3D ${CFLAGS:N-O*:N-fno-strict*} ${DEBUG_FLAGS} > +.endif > .if defined(INSTALL_TARGET) > INSTALL_TARGET:=3D ${INSTALL_TARGET:S/^install-strip$/install/g} > .endif >=20 >=20 > (Note: I've had problems with some ${UNAME} use returning empty = strings, > which is why I've used echo as a replacement in places. The real point > for the above is the ALLOW_OPTIMIZATIONS_FOR_WITH_DEBUG use.) =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard markmi at dsl-only.net