From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 26 4:20:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2327A37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 04:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07025; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:20:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200108261120.NAA07025@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why is csh tcsh? This can be a bad thing... In-Reply-To: <20010826015413.C92548@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-current User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.1-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > _But_ my vote would be for still having a "real" csh in > > /bin, additionally. (And don't tell me that tcsh is a > > real csh -- it's not, see below.) > > By chance have you looked at the csh source in the CSRG SCCS files? > How about the tcsh sources from "day 1" in its CVS repository? > Tcsh *is* a direct decendent of CSRG csh. Christos Zulas maintined the > CSRG csh in the 4.4 days. No doubt about that, but that's not the point. Did you read what i wrote further down in my message (what I referred to by "see below")? "Our" csh still behaves differently like any /bin/csh on any other system that I know, and can't be easily made to behave like them. When I wrote "real csh", I meant a csh which exhibits the traditional behaviour and user interface ("look and feel", if you prefer) of a csh. tcsh does not. Someone used to work with a "real csh" simply can't be happy with tcsh, especially if he has to change frequently between using FreeBSD and other systems. It's a real PITA. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message