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From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>
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Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c
In-Reply-To: <20010607061621U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> from Jordan Hubbard at "Jun 7, 1 06:16:21 am"
To: jkh@osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:28:48 +1000 (EST)
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In some email I received from Jordan Hubbard, sie wrote:
> From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>
> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:08:33 +1000 (EST)
> 
> > smaller.  It just complicates everything and makes FreeBSD 4.4 (and later)
> > different enough from an IPFilter user perspective that it may as well be
> 
> I'm sorry, but I still don't understand quite what you're saying.  Are
> the commands moving?  No, they're still in /sbin and whatnot.  Are the
> sources becoming more difficult to build?  No, the Makefile stubs will
> still cause it to be built from the new location in exactly the same
> old way.  Will the kernel config options change?  No, they will also
> stay the same.  Just what aspect of the "user perspective" am I
> missing here?  I believe I've covered them all.

Upgrading IPFilter without upgrading FreeBSD.  Users seem inclined to
do this inbetween when I update the source tree (usually because I'm
not that happy with what's been released).  Now maybe you don't care
about those FreeBSD users that want to do this, but they appear to be
amongst the more proactive in using/pushing FreeBSD.  If that's your
intent, I'll only be too happy to let them know the project leader was
not thinking of the userbase when he decided to approve of this O:-)

Note, this doesn't affect me, personally, apart from having to do cvs
things in different directories.  I'm just looking out for users here.

Darren

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