From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 01:46:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197DAE8EA3C for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 01:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mx2.catspoiler.org (mx2.catspoiler.org [IPv6:2607:f740:16::d18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "amnesiac", Issuer "amnesiac" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECF646CB49; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 01:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gw.catspoiler.org (gw.catspoiler.org [75.1.14.242]) by mx2.catspoiler.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBE1kFcg047456 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2017 01:46:16 GMT (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mousie.catspoiler.org (mousie.catspoiler.org [192.168.101.2]) by gw.catspoiler.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBE1k27W088835 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:46:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? To: Mark Linimon cc: Mike Karels , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20171214003852.GA7123@lonesome.com> Message-ID: References: <201712131321.vBDDL29q039904@mail.karels.net> <20171214003852.GA7123@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Disposition: INLINE X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 01:46:12 -0000 On 13 Dec, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 07:21:02AM -0600, Mike Karels wrote: >> It seems to me that the option that is best-integrated, and which serves >> the needs of the greatest number of systems, is the sendmail in base. > > I will submit the following from one of my boards: > > # uname -a > FreeBSD orangepiplus2e 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #10 r326497M: Sun Dec 3 22:14:12 UTC 2017 linimon@burner12.lonesome.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC arm > # whereis sendmail > sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/share/man/man8/sendmail.8.gz /usr/ports/mail/sendmail > > i.e. we are installing sendmail, by default, on single-board systems > that may have less than or equal to 512M of RAM. > > I think this is silly. Not really silly. This machine runs sendmail as one of its primary jobs: FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #0 r325913: Fri Nov 17 04:13:36 UTC 2017 dl@mousie.catspoiler.org:/usr/obj/i386.i386/usr/src/sys/GW i386 FreeBSD clang version 5.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_500/final 312559) (based on LLVM 5.0.0svn) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: VIA Nehemiah (1000.06-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin="CentaurHauls" Id=0x698 Family=0x6 Model=0x9 Stepping=8 Features=0x381b93f VIA Padlock Features=0xdd real memory = 268435456 (256 MB) avail memory = 245055488 (233 MB) I used to run a corporate mail relay with sendmail on a Pentium machine with 128 MB of RAM.