Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:24:27 +0200 From: Torsten Zuehlsdorff <mailinglists@toco-domains.de> To: Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, Matthieu Volat <mazhe@alkumuna.eu>, David Demelier <demelier.david@gmail.com> Cc: Mathieu Arnold <mat@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it>, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg Message-ID: <869f2d40-5945-bbb6-efa6-60bc63b2c049@toco-domains.de> In-Reply-To: <b6a90579-c7b8-6d53-8a03-2863f5f8196e@freebsd.org> References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> <CAO%2BPfDfLtw6OjPvrMC5hzfEL1CH7wyLZ0=RQstqZrRmOmk5pxA@mail.gmail.com> <a8a151c8-9f44-f057-4d16-675924229cbe@freebsd.org> <5a38b25d-2ac9-cd9b-0701-fbaad5af06c0@FreeBSD.org> <20161014092250.oyi6d5iks3s4pjol@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <CAO%2BPfDcAnxDMMYHiUUtfictk7m3mYRr9MRqdWChG4Yk2ieVrUA@mail.gmail.com> <20161014132700.493b78a6@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <170c7cbd-306c-4d3a-2af0-2eaf4fe41b24@freebsd.org> <b6a90579-c7b8-6d53-8a03-2863f5f8196e@freebsd.org>
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On 16.10.2016 05:16, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Has anyone actually looked/asked how other OS's solve this problem? Yes, for various linux distributions. This provided me with so many reasons to stay and work with the ports-tree. > I too found "xxx-dev" vs "xxx-lib" annoying until I realized how clean > it actually is. You need to be more clear with that. Most distributions already fail with the "normal" names of modules. You need to install php-xml to get UTF8 and also you directly get DOM, which has nothing to do with it. Also simpleXML is installed with it, which is a lightweight replacement for DOM and the other XML functions so you do not use more than one of it - but of course everything is installed. php-dev? Yes, it is definitely needed to get the PostgreSQL module for PHP. But for MySQL there is php-mysql. In FreeBSD? php-xml, php-simplexml, php-dom, php-pg, php-mysql. I'm working as a developer and as an administrator. As administrator it is fairly easy to get a list of modules and software to install and have packages named like the software. I've created a sheet of translations for our linux-admins. "If developer wants this $software you need to install $something-different". > We should definitely be surveying the landscape before rolling our own > NIH solution. We do. And the ports-tree offers features missing in most others distributions. pkg audit for example. Or a consistent placement of the files and configurations. Greetings, Torsten
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