From owner-cvs-all Thu Jun 7 11: 5:30 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (cb58709-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.17.241.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E86537B405; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@flugsvamp.com) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f57I4eh21224; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:04:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:04:40 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au, jlemon@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, core@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c Message-ID: <20010607130440.Z82158@prism.flugsvamp.com> References: <20010607065857X.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <200106071433.AAA07396@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20010607105241J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20010607105241J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:52:41AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Too bad they deemed it below themselves to ask me what I thought of this > > given I've had time to think this over since the last flame war. > > That is too bad. If you'd changed your thinking on the matter then > they were evading a problem which didn't actually exist, which only > adds insult to injury. That's why we have precedent for doing things > like this with advance notification through the mailing lists and > don't equate simply chatting about it in IRC beforehand with giving > proper notice. You are quite right in saying that someone took > advantage of the situation. The decision they made and their logic > that now would be a good time to finally resolve the location of the > ipfilter bits may have been sound, but they also ran roughshod over > procedure in their haste to do this and that can't be tolerated in the > future. I've cc'd -core on this because I think that enforcing > procedure regardless of circumstances is part of core's function and > I'd like this complaint to go on the official record. As the saying > goes, two wrongs don't make a right. Hmm. I recall that one of the participants in the discussion happened to be a certain "jkh", and at no time was it brought up to me that "hey, there is a procedure XXX to follow". Now this doesn't excuse the fact that perhaps I should have done things differently, but posturing after the deed that "this was not done right!" when you were aware of the situation doesn't strike me as right either. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message