From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 21:37:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57ED10656F2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from blade2-ext.obspm.fr (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812158FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by blade2-ext.obspm.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/11/07) with ESMTP id mB2LboEZ019450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:37:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:37:50 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: <20081202213750.GA58666@obspm.fr> References: <200812010959.15647.kirk@strauser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200812010959.15647.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (blade2-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:37:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.1/8713/Tue Dec 2 20:59:31 2008 on blade2-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:37:56 -0000 Le 01/12/2008 à 09:59:15-0600, Kirk Strauser a écrit > I have ZFS on my 7.1-PRERELEASE system, and while it does some spiffy things, > in general I'm a bit underwhelmed. > > PROS: > > Adding new filesystems on a whim is really nice. > > It has a lot of really cool other features that I will probably never need. > > CONS: > > I have nearly 3GB of wired RAM, but it doesn't seem to be all that fast. > For example, starting an Amanda backup on a UFS2 filesystem would get through > the "estimate" phase almost instantly on a system that had been up for several > days because of cached filesystem data. On ZFS, it still limps along even if I > just finished the last backup a few minutes earlier. > > Other than saying "I'm using ZFS", I don't seem to have much to show for it. > > WTF: > > "Raidz and top-level vdevs cannot be removed from a pool." > > > At this point, I'm almost ready to go back to good ol' UFS2, but I'd hate to > give up that easy addition of new filesystems. I *could* have a single 700GB > root FS but that just doesn't seem right. Are there any good, tested GEOM- > based ways of getting that functionality, perhaps along the lines of using > something like gvirstor and growfs as needed? Maybe my message is little in the wrong mailing-list.... I'm have choosing ZFS....under Solaris because for some special purpose I need a big space (~30To). So I've two Sun X4500 with Solaris x86-64 After one year I can say ZFS is fantastic file system for (IMHO) those reason : Don't have fsck (for 30To is very very useful) Snapshots is instantly make. You can put any number files in on directory (of course depend you context but it's useful for me) Very very rock solid. For the last item, I can say that because they are «big» bug in the kernel of Solaris when I start to using it. The effect is the server ... reboot when it's heavy load on SATA controller. So I've many reboot (~30) in very short time. Event that I never lost any bits of information on my FS. To come back to FreeBSD, I'm using FreeBSD since > 10 years, UFS is very slow, and when UFS2 is release I'm very happy to switch to UFS2. Now FreeBSD have ZFS, and I'm using it in....my scracth because I don't really need ZFS on my server when they are ~ 100-1024Go disk. I'm using ZFS only on my personnal computer (more because to make test and send bug reports than because I'm really use ZFS) Of course when ZFS is fully integrated and very solid under FreeBSD, I'm going to very happy and use it. But at this moment for production and for «small» FS I'm not really need ZFS. I think ZFS become indispensable when the FS continue to growing ... a fsck on > 4 To is very very long. When ZFS is stable ZFS >> UFS2 >> ext3 > UFS1 at this moment UFS2 >> ZFS > ext3 > UFS1 Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26 Heure local/Local time: Mar 2 déc 2008 22:25:20 CET