From owner-cvs-all Tue Apr 9 17:21:50 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C3737B405; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02275816DA; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:51:42 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:51:41 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Baldwin Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Feature removal without replacement (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha machdep.c src/sys/conf NOTES) Message-ID: <20020410095141.M9535@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <17393.1018364044@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 9 April 2002 at 12:31:11 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 09-Apr-2002 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message , John Baldwin writes: >> >>> Have you implemented the replacement yet? :) In my mind it was kind of there >>> as a reminder that we needed to do that. >> >> No I havn't and neither have anybody else it seems. >> >> And quite frankly, it doesn't look like the market pressure is there, >> given the existence of the hints file. > > The replacement would specifically be a nice front-end to the hints concept > that would manipulate the default hints set via the loader environment. It > might need an extra metadata file to match device drivers mentioned in the > hints to human-readable text strings, etc. Why do we need to cut Uesrconfig out until there's some replacement? Specifically, what do people do when they're installing the system from CD on an old ISA machine? It looks like they're stuck. I'm concerned about things being removed from the system just because the committer in question doesn't see a need for them. The same thing happened with KTR_EXTEND; I can only conclude that you don't use remote serial debugging, but by so doing you're further limiting the number of people who are prepared to do low-level kernel debug work. I think both of these commits should be backed out. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message