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Date:      Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:19:54 -0700
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        Mike Heffner <mheffner@vt.edu>, arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Importing lukemftpd
Message-ID:  <20010727101954.C43542@dragon.nuxi.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010719210332.A78418@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:03:33PM -0700
References:  <XFMail.20010716212454.mheffner@novacoxmail.com> <20010717103604.B79329@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010719112221.A84356@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010719123015.A44746@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010719203700.B94074@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010719210332.A78418@xor.obsecurity.org>

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On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:03:33PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> You and John are being paid to work full-time on FreeBSD, and the
> projects you mentioned are projects you do during your >8 hours a day
> of paid FreeBSD hacking time.  If you were working on these in your
> own time, say from 10pm at night after a hard day at work,

When we work >8 hours a day, we *are* working on XYZ in our own time. :-)


> Auditing of a non-trivial application is time-consuming and difficult.
> The kinds of bugs I expect might be found in something like ftpd are
> not the trivial ones involving misuse of sprintf(),

It would still be nice to see even this type/level of auditing of LukeM
ftpd.

> but the deeply
> embedded ones which rely on interactions between several different
> parts of the code.  That requires someone to sit down for a week and
> really become intimate with the code, which isn't something that most
> people can do in their spare time for an hour or two here and there
> (which is why no-one's done this so far).

Who do you trust to do this review?  Me?  Anybody?  Only members of the
S.O. team?  Any of the typical contributors to -audit?  Surely given your
stance on this issue, just anyone coming forward saying they've
"audited" the code will appease you.

-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

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