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Date:      Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:50:47 -0700
From:      Juli Mallett <jmallett@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Matthias Schuendehuette <msch@snafu.de>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Anton Yudin <toha@ib.com.ua>
Subject:   Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT
Message-ID:  <20020925135047.A45885@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <200209252242.19648.msch@snafu.de>; from msch@snafu.de on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:42:19PM %2B0200
References:  <200209252242.19648.msch@snafu.de>

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* De: Matthias Schuendehuette <msch@snafu.de> [ Data: 2002-09-25 ]
	[ Subjecte: Re: Journaled filesystem in CURRENT ]
> If I may add a comment here...
> 
> You already *have* a kind of journaled filesystem for some time now.
> 
> Please read "Soft Updates vs. Journalling Filesystems" from M.K. 
> McKusick (www.mckusick.com).
> 
> I'm really sad if see the efforts done especially for porting JFS to 
> FreeBSD, which has already under Linux a more than poor performance.
> 
> The only reason for porting JFS is IMHO to be able to mount JFS Volumes 
> under FreeBSD - if that's worth the effort...
> 
> Why begging for 'Journaling' if you have 'Journaling next generation'?

People concentrating on interoperability uses of filesystems are out
of their minds to be writing them in-kernel, when they could be running
them from userland as userland nfs servers, accessing the raw disks.
All we need is to make this a default part of the system, add a libuserfs
to provide an abstraction layer, and tada.

Let me know when there's a JFS4NFS and I'll give a damn, cause then I
can use it everywhere I'd need to.

FWIW, background fsck and softdep and ufs2 will give you all of the good
stuff you *see* from using a journaled fs, without the corruption of a
whole disk, like my girlfriend's laptop went through, running with Linnex
XFS.

juli.
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