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Date:      Sat, 6 May 2006 12:05:23 +0100
From:      Florent Thoumie <flz@xbsd.org>
To:        Mikhail Teterin <mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com>
Cc:        ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Subject:   Re: right to criticize other people's volunteer work
Message-ID:  <6350C2D5-D0A4-462D-88E0-9C717F7BF992@xbsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <200605051458.06891.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com>
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On May 5, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Mikhail Teterin wrote:

> =D0=BF'=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D1=8F 05 =D1=82=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=
=B5=D0=BD=D1=8C 2006 14:46, Kris Kennaway =20
> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=B2:
>> And he's acknowledged the problem and is working on it at his own
>> pace..so again, you have options a), b), c) or the perhaps-mythical
>> d).
>
> According to the discussion, he is also working on the =20
> restructuring of the
> ports for 7.0.
>
> Although this work may be benefitial for the quicker roll-out of =20
> 7.1, I
> suggested -- in response to the direct solicitation of advice -- =20
> that some
> effort be directed towards support issues instead. That was the d) ...
>
> Now. I'll reiterate once again, that I strongly dislike your =20
> reaction. I
> believe, criticism is Ok even in an all-volunteer project.

I think it's just the way you said it.

> It would be legitimate for you to defend the x11 team, but to deny =20
> me any
> right to criticize at all, as you did with your: "Remind me again what
> obligation Eric has to fix your problem?" -- is WRONG.

Still it's volunteer work, just don't forget that.

As for fixing dri/drm problems instead of working on xorg 7.0, keep =20
in mind that creating ports for xorg 7.0 doesn't require much =20
knowledge where fixing actual bugs in dri/drm does. I'm trying to =20
help Eric and Dejan on the xorg 7.0 side, but I'm not able to fix any =20=

bug in dri/drm.

--=20
Florent Thoumie
flz@FreeBSD.org
FreeBSD Committer





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