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Date:      Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:20:43 -0600
From:      Dustin Wenz <dustinwenz@ebureau.com>
To:        Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD virtualization <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Storage overhead on zvols
Message-ID:  <423F466A-732A-4B04-956E-3CC5F5C47390@ebureau.com>
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Thanks for linking that resource. The purpose of my posting was to =
increase the body of knowledge available to people who are running bhyve =
on zfs. It's a versatile way to deploy guests, but I haven't seen much =
practical advise about doing it efficiently.=20

Allan's explanation yesterday of how allocations are padded is exactly =
the sort of breakdown I could have used when I first started =
provisioning VMs. I'm sure other people will find this conversation =
useful as well.

	- .Dustin

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Dustin Wenz <dustinwenz@ebureau.com> =
wrote:
> I'm starting a new thread based on the previous discussion in "bhyve =
uses all available memory during IO-intensive operations" relating to =
size inflation of bhyve data stored on zvols. I've done some =
experimenting with this, and I think it will be useful for others.
>=20
> The zvols listed here were created with this command:
>=20
>         zfs create -o volmode=3Ddev -o volblocksize=3DXk -V 30g =
vm00/chyves/guests/myguest/diskY
>=20
> The zvols were created on a raidz1 pool of four disks. For each zvol, =
I created a basic zfs filesystem in the guest using all default tuning =
(128k recordsize, etc). I then copied the same 8.2GB dataset to each =
filesystem.
>=20
>         volblocksize    size amplification
>=20
>         512B            11.7x
>         4k                      1.45x
>         8k                      1.45x
>         16k                     1.5x
>         32k                     1.65x
>         64k                     1x
>         128k            1x
>=20
> The worst case is with a 512B volblocksize, where the space used is =
more than 11 times the size of the data stored within the guest. The =
size efficiency gains are non-linear as I continue from 4k and double =
the block sizes; 32k blocks being the second-worst. The amount of wasted =
space was minimized by using 64k and 128k blocks.
>=20
> It would appear that 64k is a good choice for volblocksize if you are =
using a zvol to back your VM, and the VM is using the virtual device for =
a zpool. Incidentally, I believe this is the default when creating VMs =
in FreeNAS.
>=20
> I'm not sure what your purpose is behind the posting, but if its =
simply a "why this behavior" you can find more detail here as well as =
some calculation leg work:
>=20
> =
https://www.delphix.com/blog/delphix-engineering/zfs-raidz-stripe-width-or=
-how-i-learned-stop-worrying-and-love-raidz
>=20
> --=20
> Adam


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