Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:56:09 -0400 From: Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> To: Guido Falsi <madpilot@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Why FreeBSD ports should have branches by OS version Message-ID: <16b4645e-58d5-e142-2e03-4f2620dbed89@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <cc0d9d0c-83fc-b608-0ddb-fc5381fcfd62@FreeBSD.org> References: <CAO%2BPfDeFz1JeSwU3f21Waz3nT2LTSDAvD%2B8MSPRCzgM_0pKGnA@mail.gmail.com> <20170622121856.haikphjpvr6ofxn3@ivaldir.net> <dahnkctsm1elbaqlarl8b9euouaplqk2tv@4ax.com> <20170622141644.yadxdubynuhzygcy@ivaldir.net> <cc1c38a4-108c-5f3f-7fa1-400fdcf497f6@freebsd.org> <ee6fe33b-aa24-ae5f-f652-f940e15c247a@jetcafe.org> <1498157001.2235.1.camel@gmail.com> <ffe23575-09a8-9e8c-ab21-772ca5e71aa1@jetcafe.org> <1498206372.2506.1.camel@gmail.com> <666bfe8c-f27d-2c11-2a4a-07da43bb7931@FreeBSD.org> <ab6273b5-5373-fcef-b6b5-3c000330bd93@columbus.rr.com> <cc0d9d0c-83fc-b608-0ddb-fc5381fcfd62@FreeBSD.org>
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On 06/23/17 10:30, Guido Falsi wrote: > On 06/23/17 15:11, Baho Utot wrote: >> >> >> On 06/23/17 04:53, Guido Falsi wrote: >>> On 06/23/17 10:26, demelier.david@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2017-06-22 at 11:57 -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: >>>>> Would you agree that release branches would be unnecessary if >>>>> somehow >>>>> you could select the version of node that the ports tree builds via >>>>> some >>>>> (as yet unspecified) mechanism? >>>> >>>> I've also think about that but I'm not sure if it's easier than having >>>> frozen release branches. >>> >>> I usually stay away from this kind of threads, but I'd like to point >>> out a very simple concept that has not been expressed. >>> >>> The ports tree repository is fully open source, available via >>> subversion from the FreeBSD project and also mirrored on github. There >>> is absolutely nothing stopping you(and anyone with time, skill and >>> willingness to help you) from starting your fork from whichever source >>> and using whatever tool you prefer, creating the branches you're >>> describing. >>> >>> If your model works fine I'm quite sure the FreeBSD community and >>> project will be quite happy to embrace it. >>> >>> As stated, the FreeBSD project (core, portmgr and committers) perceive >>> a manpower problem in relation to implementing what you describe. In >>> this thread it has been stated that such a manpower problem does not >>> really exist. I cannot think of a better way to show there actually is >>> no manpower problem than creating a working example of such a workflow >>> maintained by just a few people with little effort, as you said >>> repeatedly. >>> >>> On other hand demanding and/or insisting that others implement your >>> idea when they clearly disagree with you is not very constructive. >>> >>> In relation to the suggestion of a stable or release ports branch: >>> >>> I'd also like a ports branch where things are merged only when really >>> needed, some kind of "stable" branch. I don't like the release way you >>> describe, but maybe it could actually work as an option, but I too see >>> the manpower problem. An actual working proof of concept like I >>> described above is the only thing that would persuade me I'm wrong >>> about that. >>> >>> (I could try to help with such an experiment but I don't know how much >>> time I could really spare for it) >>> >> >> Ok, since you are taking the lead on this...... > > Since when "help with" is a synonym of "lead this effort"? > >> >> When do we start? >>> Where shall I post my repository to? >> >> And updates? >> >> Should the start be for the 12.0 branch or should earlier? >> >> I can start on packaging the base system some time August is that ok >> with you and will it fit your schedule? > > I'm curious to know which paragraph is the sarcasm especially directed > at, if the first or the last, in parenthesis and meant at giving hand if > someone else has a clear plan. I can't see me leading an effort I > clearly stated I don't think has many chances. Maybe I was not perfectly > clear. > I have faith in you... you can do this...when do we start?
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