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Date:      02 Apr 2002 14:43:39 +0930
From:      "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor@gsoft.com.au>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Anthony Atkielski <anthony@atkielski.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix
Message-ID:  <1017724424.71119.79.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <3CA93944.D72D6AB7@mindspring.com>
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On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 14:23, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > Whether you like it or not is irrelevent to how much of an
> > > installed base it represents vis-avis the current UNIX_using
> > > market.
> > 
> > Not that that particular market is very big in the browsing department..
> 
> So bitch at Microsoft for putting up a *web site* to reach them.

Well I can read it :)
Doesn't everyone use Mozilla? I prefer stable software..

> > You can download the source from
> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6999
> 
> Doesn't work on AIX or Solaris.  I haven't tried it on SCO,
> mostly because I believe it will be a waste of time to do so.

You've tried it on AIX and Solaris?

> > You can get Mozilla from http://www.mozilla.org/releases/
> 
> I already have Netscape.  You guys were arguing about Netscape
> not working, and then you go and point me at Netscape... sheesh.

Uhh Mozilla != Netscape 4.x

> > At worst you could just use Mozilla which has releases for Win32, MacOS,
> > Linux, AIX, BeOS, BSD/OS, FreeBSD, HPUX, OpenVMS, OS/2, Solaris and
> > Tru64. Mozilla is no less stable than Galeon in my experience only
> > slower and with slightly fewer features.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that Galeon a whole bunch of stuff, plus
> the Galeon stuff, to work.  People were complaining about
> it on -hackers, just the other day, when it took them 8
> hours to pull it down over their 28k modem.

I can't parse the first part of that sentence.

As for big downloads.. Netscape is not significantly smaller. Netscape
4.79 for AIX is around 13 Mb vs 16.5 Mb for Mozilla. Personally I think
the 3.5Mb would be worth it for a browser that crashes way _way_ less
and has many more useful features.

> Can you point us at *binary* releases for versious OSs?  For
> 28k modem users, this puts them in the 1.5 hour range for a
> 14M download.

Did you visit the mozilla.org URL I posted?
Here it is again http://www.mozilla.org/releases/
All the operating systems I listed had binary releases.

> PS: UNIX people tend to use UNIX for everything.  This includes
> browsing.  It doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense to run some
> other OS, if your intent is to not run that OS on your servers,
> as well, so a UNIX ship will have UNIX desktops, and they will
> probably be the same flavor of UNIX as they have deployed for
> their hosting facilities, since it also makes little sense to
> have to keep people up to speed on several OSs, rather than,
> say, doing useful work.

What an interesting, but highly irrelevant point.

Can't say I agree, but it's a different issue to what we're talking
about.

I would consider my office a 'unix shop' but we do have Windows machines
here. Lack of a decent Office suite or PCB and schematic tools tend to
prevent me from installing FreeBSD on all of our machines (and believe
me I'd like to).

---
Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer
for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au
"The nice thing about standards is that there
are so many of them to choose from."
  -- Andrew Tanenbaum


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