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Date:      Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:48:36 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org>
Cc:        "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Gender in non-Indo-European languages (was: Gender in Indo-European languages)
Message-ID:  <20010211134836.C75244@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <xzpy9ve8vub.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no>; from des@ofug.org on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 03:18:52PM %2B0100
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On Saturday, 10 February 2001 at 15:18:52 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> writes:
>>> Slovak does not need to say he, she, etc.  Instead, it just uses the
>>> verb in the third person, and implies the appropriate pronoun.
>> This is typical of the slavonic languages, of course.
>
> Ooh, that reminds me.
>
> Finnish doesn't have gender. At all. It's been a long time and I don't
> have my TY at hand, but as I recall there are two third person
> singular pronouns - one for animate and one for inanimate objects. And
> in daily speech, the pronoun is usually contracted or even dropped -
> "Minä olen norjalainen" (I am Norwegian) is abbreviated to "Mä olen
> norjalainen" or even "Olen norjalainen". The interrogative form is
> indicated by a verb suffix, so there's no need for any pronoun there
> either even though there's no change in intonation: "Oletko sinä
> norjalainen?" (are you Norwegian?) can be abbreviated to "Oletko
> norjalainen?" because the -ko ending distinguishes it from the
> affirmative "(sinä) olet norjalainen" (you are Norwegian).

Hmm.  This is interesting.  Finnish isn't Indo-European, of course,
and the original speakers of the Finno-Ugric languages came from
North-East Asia.  In Chinese, a question is indicated by a -ma at the
end of the sentence, and in Malay it's indicated by -ka.  Both of
these languages also have no gender, though there are some different
words for males and females of recognizable species.  I wonder how it
works in Hungarian and Turkish.

Greg
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