Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" <jan@caustic.org> To: "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@over-yonder.net> Cc: chip <chip@wiegand.org>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, David Schultz <dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU>, <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Intaller (was "Re: ... RedHat ...") Message-ID: <20020123224541.E32624-100000@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20020124004312.A2760@over-yonder.net>
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > For instance, when using SLIP (or hardwired PPP or PLIP, I imagine), > you're in deep trouble if you've never done it before. You have to > remember to put in the 'other ifconfig options' section the far-end > address of the link, or it won't work; unless you've manually ifconfig'd > SLIP lines a number of times, you'll forget. Then it'll run slattach. > If you don't get it right the first time, you're screwed, because it'll > never clear the old attachment correctly. Gotta reboot and start over. i think most people doing that level of a fringe install are fairly hardcore users, and they're willing to make those kinds of mistakes. the rare newbie that will do a SLIP install will probably be digging up quite a bit of documentation. after several years of working with, and on, FreeBSD, i can't say i've once had to do a SLIP install, even on "low end" hardware. > As Terry mentioned, there are several ways to foul-up yourself into a > tight little corner in the disk partitioning (and that's if you KNOW what > you're doing. The first time through, it can be kinda hairy just > figuring out what you're doing). And, as Jordan has ranted about on a > few occasions, the UI is painted into a rather small corner by virtue of > the dialog library it uses. Ever have that joy in places like the > 'custom distribution choices' for the custom installation, where you're > not quite sure whether enter or space is select, and the wrong choice > will bump you back menus? i admit, this has happened to me. more often than i care to think about. > And, of course, that's not even getting into the "other" issues which > require a more thorough packaging system to handle correctly (Tried > installing, then installing X? It dumps on a few compat_* sets. Even if > you already installed them. Sucks on a modem, lemme tell ya). no comment. i gave up on doing "direct X installs" in freebsd during the 2.2 series. it's just easier to do from ports, or to install the package. > It works apparently smoothly in the best-case. In most simple-cases, it > won't feel worse than rough-around-the-edges. Start making mistakes, or > trying to get intricate, though, and it feels rather like wearing your > high school sweater to your 30th reunion. i don't find it to be "rough-around-the-edges," if anything, the FreeBSD installer is quick, and relatively painless to handle. given a little reading, and a bit of practice, even the novice user ends up warming up to it. -- jan -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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