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Date:      Sun, 24 May 1998 03:12:30 -0400
From:      Malartre <malartre@aei.ca>
To:        Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/BSD/
Message-ID:  <3567C85E.24F441B9@aei.ca>
References:  <3566754B.78B28C72@aei.ca> <19980524022609.21670@welearn.com.au> <356772AE.C76BAB13@aei.ca> <19980524154624.58829@welearn.com.au>

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Sue Blake wrote:

> On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 09:06:54PM -0400, Malartre wrote:
> > Sue Blake wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 03:05:48AM -0400, Malartre wrote:
> > > > I dont know where to mail that post, so I mail it to advocacy ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I've worked some hours on a new concept for a new FreeBSD.org page.
> > >
> > > Why? What exactly were you aiming to alter?
> > >
> > > > Its not perfect, links are broken and there is no new graphics.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/BSD/
> > >
> > > Sure, it doesn't fit in my browser window yet. The real one does.
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear what it is that you think needs changing, before looking
> > > at how you're suggesting it could be done.
> >
> > Sue, present me a screen shot of your web browser when it dont fit and say to
> > me your resolution. It work really good with netscape and lynx....
>
> I've mailed it to you.
>
> As you will see, there's a large blank margin on the left and on the
> right, and the two columns of text in the centre overlap each other.
> I can't see the end of some of the words on the left.
>
> Other words appear as a list, but I think that some of those words are
> supposed to appear together as a single phrase. They don't.
>
> The bottom half of the page has no text on the left, only a section to
> the right of the centre. The four graphics at the bottom are not centred
> with respect to this text, and are bunched up. On the FreeBSD site these
> four are nicely spread out over the width of the window, whatever size
> that window is.
>
> These are the things that happen when you try describe screen layout
> instead of describing the document and letting the client handle it.
>
> > I really want to do it right just for you ;-)
>
> That's not a good reason :-)
> Besides, it should be right for anybody. It should not work just for my
> window, but it should work for every possible window size.
>
> > It work for me with
> > Lynx
> > Netscape 4.04 (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 without any trouble. There is no
> > horisontal scrolling)
> > MSIE-3.2 (Its not so beautiful with it, but its compatible)
>
> Did you validate the HTML yet?
>
> > There is a need to change the link allocation.
> > The current page work like a tree
> > FreeBSD.ORG --> 10 major choice of URL (3 are at the end of the page...
> > Getting FreeBSD, FreeBSD FAQ and Handbook. That stupid to put them there.)
> > -->All other link
> >
> > My page work like that:
> > FreeBSD.ORG --> All link (like that, no need to search for the Y2K bug: its
> > on the top)
>
> OK, now that I know what your objectives are I can take a proper look at
> it with that in mind. It seems like the main thing you wanted to do was
> to put links on the first page which lead to most of the other pages.
> That is a nice idea, and you've made a very good start on that part of it
> even though it's impossible for me to see it in its best light at the moment.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>         -*Sue*-

The main problem is OK nowthere was an error, I have forget to do that:
CELLPADDING=3
The problem should now be ok.

The main problem with your browser setting his than you have modified how big you
want to see letters. Its ok, now than I have putted a cellpading. I even tested it
with more bigger letter than yours.

Now, your problem is than there is a lot of wasted space on the down left side. But
there is not a lot of thing to do, that's a main problem when you do 2 vertical
line. Also:WIDTH=600 have nothing to do with that problem.

For the wasted space on the *left and right*, it should not be wasted when you see
the page in the habitual way: there is not to much vertical scrolling.

"Did you validate the HTML yet?" I try right now

Never forget than when you change the way IN netscape you look a page, you get a
good effect but you are penalized on a lot of sites. Its you who take the choice. A
problem in Netscape is when you change Fonts Size, you do not change Width size, so
it create your problem.  To make a site more usefull or more beautiful, sometime
you have to do choice.

My choice: 99% of the people should not have any problems to see it. 1% should see
it without problems, its not so beautifull for them but they can easily read it. 0%
should have major problem to read it. Now it should work well for you, but you do
not have the more beautiful site in the world.

Send me a screen shot of how you see it now.
What version of netscape do you use?
Anyone can test my page with Chimera and other broswers?
Tanx
Malartre
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