Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:26:35 -0500 (EST) From: <scanner@jurai.net> To: Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>, Hiten Pandya <hitmaster2k@yahoo.com>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM suing (was: RMS Suing was [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0112142003280.90198-100000@sasami.jurai.net> In-Reply-To: <20011215112539.L85108@monorchid.lemis.com>
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: [...snip...] > > IMO, we'd be better off asking SGI (and their former employees) > > about XFS. Or just come up with our own journaling filesystem that > > is totally independant of the IBM code (satisfies the same design > > goals at the highest level, but below that point shares no > > specifications or implementation details). > > "Reinvent the wheel". Sure. Why not? Linux has been doing it since day one. The entire Linux OS is a "revinention of the wheel". To hell with building on the foundation of others. > > Indeed, I think we could safely argue that softupdates is a > > long ways towards this goal as it is, and that in many ways it is > > superior. Combine that with dirprefs and dirhash, and I see very > > little reason to want JFS. > > Indeed. One of the reasons I'd like to see a JFS port is to be able > to compare it with the current UFS. I really wouldn't like to bet on > which one came out on top. But so far, we only have theoretical > papers to base our opinions on. Yes doing so would be nice. For that exact reason. To see some real numbers and how they stack up. However i'm with brad it would be better considering the nature of the GPL on JFS, to get co-operation from SGI. Maybe they would consider another point of view in licensing their XFS to the BSD folks. Then again maybe not. I personally do not want anymore GPL code then we have in the tree. Call me a zealot, call me a religious freak i dont care. I have serious issues with that licesne. And I know im not the only one. So rather then waste tiem arguing that a GPL'ed FS can be imported and toss up another bikeshed about the loader being contaminated etc.. Why don't we talk to other vendors of journaling file systems that would perhaps give us and those wanting to port a JFS to FreeBSD source under a license that the majority of BSD users and developers will approve of. Everytime this issue comes up its the same friggin thing. The GPL is a deal killer. Period. I know your stance on the GPL greg. And I respect it. But I dont think the vast majority of BSD users or developers share it. This is like the 5th time this issue has come up about an JFS on FreeBSD. And again I think the only solution that is even going to remotely fly is to talk to vendors about getting source under a BSD like license. I think with the right people at SGI some sane discussions could take place. I would never have thought Intel would of budged just a minute ammount on their doco policy but they did just a little. And SGI is by far more friendly to OS then Intel. Otherwise if no one cares to release a JFS under a BSD like license, then the best and I think most natural solution is to just work on FFS to make it the best FS possible. Which is what Kirk is doing. And we should all feel lucky that Kirk still has an interest in improving FFS and that he helps out. I would be happy to make contact with SGI and try to get some things rolling if we ever come to a conclusion about JFS support. ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (816) 464-7780 | Sr. Unix Administrator Work: chris.watson@twa.com | Trans World Airlines, Kansas City, MO Home: scanner@jurai.net | http://www.twa.com ============================================================================= WINDOWS: All our IP belongs to us. GNU/LINUX: Touch our IP, and your IP belongs to us. BSD: Here's our IP, just use it. ============================================================================= ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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