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Date:      Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:03:58 -0700
From:      Weaver <weaver@riseup.net>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: OS to replace FreeBSD
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On 20-03-2021 09:41, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 7:06 PM Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>> I've been using Unix for over 20 years, and I wouldn't know how to
>> recompile a kernel and, at present, anyway, have no desire to know.
>> I use it for my business - technical writing and instructional design -
>> and, literally have no time to dig beneath the surface.
>> I've learnt one or two things along the way, and will probably learn
>> more as time goes on, but the direction your knowledge takes is as
>> variable as the individual and their needs and inclination.
>> Ralf has it spot on.
>> You're arrogant.
>>
On 20-03-2021 09:41, Aryeh Friedman wrote:

    On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 7:06 PM Weaver <weaver@riseup.net>
wrote:Show


For what purpose?

     If you want to do word
    processing or other tasks then use an OS designed for it like
Windows
    or Apple's GUI on-top of MacOSX. 


Then, in your opinion, why are these applications included in the
package?

    If you can't handle the command lineShow


What a load of rubbish!

    So if you call using an OS the way it was designed to be used
arrogant
    then go ahead call me that. 


Unix has gone way past standard C programming between a couple of
terminals, a la the initial days of Dennis Ritchie.
I'm sure, if he was still with us he would agree with that.
Perhaps you need to become familiar with the term `evolution'.
You're quite entitled to restrict yourself to the command-line only
environment.
You have no right to dictate standards for others, especially when you
are happy to make a profit from exactly that.

    But if you mean something else then your
    off base because I am only describing how the OS was designed to be
    used.


Originally.

    Also note I do use GUI's on FreeBSD (my primary desktop
    machine is 12.2-Release-pl3 with Xfce4 on it and I use it for all my
    work and other uses [except some games]... 


Well, that's not exactly kosher, is it?

    but I am in the target
    audience of what Unix was originally designed for -- back
    end/infrastructure software development)


Then get rid of the GUI and dwell in your personal definition of heaven,
and leave the rest of us hell-dwellers alone.
Some things I deal with on the commandline.
Some applications are designed specifically for that, but note, they are
still applications!
Some I deal with through the minimal NCurses interface.
But, I believe in an open world and do not feel qualified to dictate
standards to others.
But I'll jump on that level of arrogance and ignorance, every time.
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but
 because of those who look on without doing anything'.
 -- Albert Einstein



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