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Date:      Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:41:46 -0400
From:      George Mitchell <george+freebsd@m5p.com>
To:        Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-arm@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on BeagleBone Black
Message-ID:  <e43cb386-b1db-9cc0-1132-1ae9b2994344@m5p.com>
In-Reply-To: <20190714174432.GC26897@lonesome.com>
References:  <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com> <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates> <b6876ce7-5147-5f1a-d712-3515e124cd36@gmail.com> <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org> <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates> <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com> <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> <20190714174432.GC26897@lonesome.com>

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From: George Mitchell <george+freebsd@m5p.com>
To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <e43cb386-b1db-9cc0-1132-1ae9b2994344@m5p.com>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on
 BeagleBone Black
References: <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com>
 <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates>
 <b6876ce7-5147-5f1a-d712-3515e124cd36@gmail.com>
 <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org>
 <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates>
 <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com>
 <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org>
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On 2019-07-14 13:44, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:30AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote:
>> [...] Two or three years ago it looked like arm was at the point where=
 it
>> should be a tier-1 platform, and I put a lot of effort into things lik=
e
>> testing releases, because releases that actually work seem like an
>> important thing for a tier-1 platform.=20
>=20
> I will have to admit ignorance of the past history, so I can't address
> what went wrong there.
>=20
> But my own view as a very casual user of arm is this:
>=20
>  - we need more people doing testing (both releases and snapshots), and=

>    reporting the results.
>=20
>  - we need to be better about gathering that information together.
> [...]

Both of you are right.  But despite my own forlorn hope a few years back
that ARM would become a fully-fledged Tier 1 platform, the fragmentation
of the market has made it impossible.  But I still hope that maybe three
or four widely popular ARM boards (Raspberry Pi being the most obvious
possibility) might individually be declared Tier 1.            -- George


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