From owner-cvs-games Sat Sep 23 02:44:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-games Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA22062 for cvs-games-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:44:28 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA22032 ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:44:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:44:15 -0700 From: Satoshi Asami Message-Id: <199509230944.CAA22032@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-games Subject: cvs commit: src/games/x11/xneko xneko.c Sender: owner-cvs-games@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk asami 95/09/23 02:44:14 Modified: games/x11/xneko xneko.c Log: Prototype atof() so that the -speed option works. Closes bin/733. Submitted by: candy@fct.kgc.co.jp (Toshihiro Kanda) From owner-cvs-games Sat Sep 23 02:55:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-games Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA22824 for cvs-games-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:55:10 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA22803 ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:54:52 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA06641; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:54:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20269; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:54:44 +0200 Message-Id: <199509230954.LAA20269@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Satoshi Asami cc: CVS-commiters@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-games@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/x11/xneko xneko.c Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:54:43 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-cvs-games@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > asami 95/09/23 02:44:14 > > Modified: games/x11/xneko xneko.c > Log: > Prototype atof() so that the -speed option works. Closes bin/733. > > Submitted by: candy@fct.kgc.co.jp (Toshihiro Kanda) Just out of interest: What are X programs doing in the FreeBSD distribution? should they not be in ports? M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-cvs-games Sat Sep 23 04:45:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-games Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA00517 for cvs-games-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:45:06 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA00503 ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:44:57 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA03444; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:43:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:43:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199509231143.EAA03444@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: mark@grondar.za CC: CVS-commiters@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-games@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199509230954.LAA20269@grumble.grondar.za> (message from Mark Murray on Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:54:43 +0200) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/x11/xneko xneko.c From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-cvs-games@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > Modified: games/x11/xneko xneko.c * Just out of interest: What are X programs doing in the FreeBSD distribution? * should they not be in ports? Apparently (according to the cvs logs), they came with the 4.4-Lite tape. But I agree with you, it doesn't make much sense to have these in the main source tree when we don't have X in there! ;) And if you just want a cute demo...well, xneko maybe, but xroach is nothing short of "disgusting". :< I propose to move them to ports. Satoshi From owner-cvs-games Sat Sep 23 04:54:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-games Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA00996 for cvs-games-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:54:00 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA00990 ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 04:53:44 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06775; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:53:30 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11693; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:53:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199509231153.NAA11693@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: CVS-commiters@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-games@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/x11/xneko xneko.c Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:53:29 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-cvs-games@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * > Modified: games/x11/xneko xneko.c > > * Just out of interest: What are X programs doing in the FreeBSD distributio n? > * should they not be in ports? > > Apparently (according to the cvs logs), they came with the 4.4-Lite > tape. But I agree with you, it doesn't make much sense to have these > in the main source tree when we don't have X in there! ;) > > And if you just want a cute demo...well, xneko maybe, but xroach is > nothing short of "disgusting". :< I _love_ xroach! I have got some very satisfying (female) screams from running it! :-> :-> :-> > I propose to move them to ports. Seconded. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-cvs-games Sat Sep 23 05:11:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-games Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA01663 for cvs-games-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 05:11:21 -0700 Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (root@jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA01636 ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 05:11:11 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA04494; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:09:41 +0800 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:09:41 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: Mark Murray cc: Satoshi Asami , CVS-commiters@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-games@freefall.freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/x11/xneko xneko.c In-Reply-To: <199509231153.NAA11693@grumble.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cvs-games@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Mark Murray wrote: > > * > Modified: games/x11/xneko xneko.c > > > > * Just out of interest: What are X programs doing in the FreeBSD distributio > n? > > * should they not be in ports? > > > > Apparently (according to the cvs logs), they came with the 4.4-Lite > > tape. But I agree with you, it doesn't make much sense to have these > > in the main source tree when we don't have X in there! ;) > > > > And if you just want a cute demo...well, xneko maybe, but xroach is > > nothing short of "disgusting". :< > > I _love_ xroach! I have got some very satisfying (female) screams from > running it! :-> :-> :-> Likewise.. IMHO, *all* of the games should go to "ports". :-) > > I propose to move them to ports. > > Seconded. The only problem is that there's no real mechanism for actually providing a complete "kit", including packaging, source and the works. The only way we can make a port out of it, is to make a tar.gz of the source as it currently stands and then put it on freefall's ftp area. It'd be really nice if there was an easy, sanctioned way of including an entire (SMALL!!) source tree somehow with the port, perhaps under files/source/*? We could do away with patches, as we could just cvs commit directly into the source. With some clever makefile trickery, it may be possible to build everything under "work", referring to the source files without havng to copy or link them. IMHO, packaging it up into "LOCAL_PORTS" on freefall is pretty gross. On the other hand, it'd be a shame to bloat the size of the ports collection. Things like "sup" could also be done as a "complete source" port, perhaps. Thoughts? (yes, I know this would be a slight shift in paradigm, I think it would be better, providing it wasn't abused.) -Peter > M > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key > From owner-cvs-games Sat Sep 23 19:36:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-games Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA13573 for cvs-games-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:36:50 -0700 Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA13562 ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:36:42 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00778; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:35:47 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199509240235.TAA00778@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/x11/xneko xneko.c To: peter@jhome.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mark@grondar.za, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, CVS-commiters@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-games@freefall.freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Sep 23, 95 08:09:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1827 Sender: owner-cvs-games@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Mark Murray wrote: > > > * > Modified: games/x11/xneko xneko.c > > > > > > * Just out of interest: What are X programs doing in the FreeBSD distributio > > n? > > > * should they not be in ports? > > > > > > Apparently (according to the cvs logs), they came with the 4.4-Lite > > > tape. But I agree with you, it doesn't make much sense to have these > > > in the main source tree when we don't have X in there! ;) > > > > > > And if you just want a cute demo...well, xneko maybe, but xroach is > > > nothing short of "disgusting". :< > > > > I _love_ xroach! I have got some very satisfying (female) screams from > > running it! :-> :-> :-> > > Likewise.. IMHO, *all* of the games should go to "ports". :-) And that is YO, CSRG saw it fit to put the games in BSD, this issue seems to come up about 4 months after new folks come on board. The games have been part of BSD for a very long time. Removing them moves the base away from what people expect when you say BSD derived. > > > I propose to move them to ports. > > > > Seconded. I am opposed to removing any functionality provided in BSD 4.4 Lite or Lite 2. > The only problem is that there's no real mechanism for actually providing > a complete "kit", including packaging, source and the works. The only > way we can make a port out of it, is to make a tar.gz of the source as it > currently stands and then put it on freefall's ftp area. If you don't like the games there has already been complete mechanisms put in place so you don't have to have them. src tree builds without them, you can install the binary releases without them. Leave it alone please. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD