From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 23:00:32 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA23391 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:00:32 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA23301 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:59:45 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id HAA02502; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:52:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id HAA04346; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:52:02 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA27982; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:43:08 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509120543.HAA27982@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: serial console To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:43:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu, bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans), jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Sep 11, 95 09:49:46 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 4245 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Took this to -chat, maybe somebody is going to write a FreeBSD history some day... As Joe Greco wrote: > Anyways, kudos to Bill Paul(?) for his serial console work. Credit where credit is due. The code to use a serial _console_ has been there long since. I suspect it's already been in 386BSD 0.0, at least in 386BSD 0.1. I have checked both, 386BSD 1.0 and FreeBSD 1.0, it is there. (This is also the origin of the name ``COMCONSOLE'': the driver for it was the "com" driver.) It's been a compile-time option in all those systems. (Unfortunately, FreeBSD 1.0's LINT file does not mention this option.) Bruce Evans has also maintained similar code in his "sio" driver, so i think he deserves the credit of keeping the code actually working all the time. By the end of 1994, i've got an urgent need of serial _bootblocks_, too. I've used to maintain three machines that required it. (Two servers that didn't have a graphics screen all the time; one of them is sax.de's domain backbone. The third machine is a graphics work- station with a deluxe graphics card and an attached Sony GDM 1934 fixed-frequency monitor, where you cannot get a picture with the standard VGA frequencies at boot time.) I'm probably the first one who's been using FreeBSD with ``serial bootblocks'' then, and after posting my patches every now and then, there were so many requests for it that i eventually decided to put it into the CVS tree. I've created a subdirectory named "serialboot" under the sys/i386/boot directory for it, and if you've got CVS access, you can still checkout a copy of it by the date of around christmas 1994. :-) RCS file: /home/cvs/src/sys/i386/boot/serialboot/Attic/Makefile,v Working file: Makefile ... ---------------------------- revision 1.1 date: 1994/12/18 20:12:06; author: joerg; state: Exp; This became a frequently requested item now. The files in this directory are modified version of "biosboot". The only difference is in that they perform their I/O via a serial port, so their preferrable usage is to form bootblocks for systems where the kernel happens to have an "options COMCONSOLE". Most of the code is actually shared with "biosboot", and make will not (and should not) descend into this directory by default. It is in the responsibility of the user to build these bootblocks instead of the original ones. ---------------------------- Bill Paul deserves the credit of mucking around with all this, adding a keyboard probe function to the boot code (which is unfortunately still not working reliably due to the space constraints in the boot blocks and therefore disabled), and adding _dynamic_ serial console configuration support for the "sio" driver, so one can have both console variants in the same kernel, and decide at boot time which one to use. This was in January, 1995: revision 1.30 date: 1995/01/20 07:48:19; author: wpaul; state: Exp; lines: +37 -26 Submitted by: Bill Paul (wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu) Obtained from: bios boot block changed to allow booting from both the attached graphics display and from a serial port. (A specially compiled serial boot block is no longer necessary.) The boot block should detect the presence or absence of a keyboard: if there is no keyboard, COM1 is turned into the console. This simulates the behavior of the Sun boot PROMs. Unplug your keyboard, attach a terminal to COM1 and you should be ready to go. :) ---------------------------- I've later attempted to fix the keyboard probe, it's more reliable now, but Jordan and Poul-Henning have got too many complaints about hung keyboards at boot time, so they did disable it again before 2.0.5 shipped. Unfortunately, it's been disabled too badly so even the "FORCE_COMCONSOLE" option doesn't work right in 2.0.5. This has been corrected in -current and -stable, so you have now the options of either defining "FORCE_COMCONSOLE" for a permanent serial console, or specifying the boot flag -h to toggle between both. (There's the third alternative to compile the bootblocks with "notyet" defined, which should give you the keyboard probe back. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 15:36:24 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA05552 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:36:24 -0700 Received: from chrome.onramp.net (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05546 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:36:21 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.onramp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12625 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:35:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199509122235.RAA12625@chrome.onramp.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.onramp.net: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Please spare us the Internet marketing hype. Please. Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:35:53 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Folks, In the continuing tradition of really cool domain names, here are some more Close to The Edge. jdl ------- Forwarded Message From: bostic@bsdi.com (Keith Bostic) Subject: Procter and Gamble has diarrhea. Forwarded-by: psl@acm.org (Peter S. Langston) Forwarded-by: "pardo@cs.washington.edu" Forwraded-by: Joshua_Putnam From: Mark Dantche Subject: Procter and Gamble has Diarrhea Diarrhea.com that is. Early in August, Procter and Gamble starting registering most of their trademarked product names as commercial domains. In the last two weeks they moved onto ailments (headache.com), afflictions (diarrhea.com) and body parts (underarms.com). You can get the complete list via http://www.webcom.com/~walsh Alternatively, just think of a common malady and do a "whois common_malady.com". Please P&G!!! Do not put up a graphically intensive site. [According the above URL, during early August Kraft registered 133 names including Velveeta and Sanka; P&G grabbed Luvs and Metamucil; then Kraft started doing things like `cereals.com', `beverages.com' and P&G started grabbing ailments, afflications and body parts. -Pardo] ------- End of Forwarded Message In a shear fit of disbelief, I had to know: chrome 953 % whois Diarrhea.com Procter and Gamble (DIARRHEA-DOM) One Procter and Gamble Plaza P.O. Box 599 Cincinnati, Ohio 45201 Domain Name: DIARRHEA.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Singh, Manjit (MS148) msingh@PG.COM 513-983-5216 Record last updated on 16-Aug-95. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.OAR.NET 192.88.193.144 NS2.MCI.NET 204.70.57.242 Help us. Spare us. We have created a monster. Will someone *please* stuff Frankenstein back into Pandora's Internet-inna-box. jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 16:19:06 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA12314 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:19:06 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12306 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:19:04 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03257; Tue, 12 Sep 95 23:19:02 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA23090; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:19:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:19:00 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9509122319.AA23090@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: jdl@chrome.onramp.net Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509122235.RAA12625@chrome.onramp.net> (message from Jon Loeliger on Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:35:53 -0500) Subject: Re: Please spare us the Internet marketing hype. Please. Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just finished reading http://www.webcom.com/~walsh/. I can hardly believe it! I had to wait *weeks* for the NIC to approve my domain name, where someone there who (supposedly) cared alerted me to conflicts until we finally settled on one. Now that they've got their web based domain name registration system, the namespace is loaded with abuse. They've removed an essential human element from the registration process. If I want to improve my company's coverage, I may as well whip up a perl script along with /usr/share/dict/words and register everything I can. After seven years, I never thought I'd want to get *off* the Internet ... -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA So I figured I'd leave the area, because I had no ties there anyway except for this girl I was seeing. We had conflicting attitudes: I really wasn't into meditating and she wasn't really into being alive. I told her I knew when I was going to die because my birth certificate has an expiration date. -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 16:22:28 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA12698 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:22:28 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12688 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:22:26 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07881; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:24:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:24:31 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199509122324.RAA07881@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: CVS hacker needed in Bay area Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Someone asked me if I knew of any CVS hacker willing to do contract work in the Bay Area. If anyone is interested, or knows someone who might be interested let me know. The job could be from 2 days up to a month. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 02:10:48 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA16531 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:10:48 -0700 Received: from oasis.txdirect.net (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA16498 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:10:42 -0700 Received: (from rsnow@localhost) by oasis.txdirect.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA00912; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:10:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:10:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting URL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk http://www.das.harvard.edu/users/faculty/Brad_Chen/ftp_docs.html Has a paper called p5.ps (apparently) which contains some timings between NetBSD, NT, WfWG 3.11 on the same hardware. Hopefully, it'll be an interesting read. I've heard (discussion in alt.folklore.computers) that one of the drawbacks of NetBSD v. NT is the lack of a merged buffer-cache in NetBSD. I also noticed that there are quite a few papers on caching. ______________________________________________________________________ Rob Snow Powered by FreeBSD rsnow@txdirect.net http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 05:34:04 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA23027 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:34:04 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA23020 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:34:01 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA19203; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:27:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:27:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: New Caldera & why we should get Linux compat working 100% To: Stephen Hocking cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509130522.FAA01496@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [thread xfer'ed to chat] > >>When Linux has a word processor, spreadsheet, and database that is as > >>user friendly as the offerings from MSoft and the like, it will have a > >>chance of becoming popular. Until then, it's a sideshow. popular ?? i dont know if we want to be 'popular'. a good unix system is like a chainsaw. you can do a lot with it very easily, including removing your own leg. imagine a user-friendly chain saw: hide the chain behind a retractable guard, quiet the engine, paint in a nice bright color, and watch some poor unsupecting fella hurt himself. ;(( i can not concieve of a 'user-friendly' system that preserves the power of unix with out either 'do you really want to ...' messsages or many users hurting themselves. this is not to say that a sysadmin tool is not welcome; it is. is user-friendly unix just as oxymoronic as a 'you dont have to pay attention' chain saw ?? Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 09:52:39 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA16770 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:52:39 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16737 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:51:24 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA19747; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:45:20 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA00760; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:45:20 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA05571; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:44:40 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509131644.SAA05571@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: US Domain Name Fees To: smace@crash.ops.neosoft.com (Scott Mace) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:44:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jc@irbs.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199509131546.KAA01386@crash.ops.neosoft.com> from "Scott Mace" at Sep 13, 95 10:46:15 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 292 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Scott Mace wrote: > > Serveral points of the message seem bogus like this "5 week turnaround". Please, move such conversation to freebsd-chat. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 12:33:39 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA22934 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:33:39 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22915 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:33:35 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA00522; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:26:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: make world times To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk write-thru cache vs write-back cache: i will soon have a dirty bit chip for my motherboard (thanks rod!) i will post times for a make world after installing the chip as well any bets on the speed-up that will result from installing the chip?? 2% ?? 5% ?? just did a '/usr/bin/time make -k world' on -stable 30082.80 real 16436.87 user 3887.32 sys machine is an asus sp3g 486dx66 8mb 256kb write-thru cache saturn ii chipset (ncr0:1:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6220" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access sd1(ncr0:1:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 1041MB (2131992 512 byte sectors) sd1(ncr0:1:0): with 3457 cyls, 6 heads, and an average 102 sectors/track /dev/sd1f 656010 393879 209650 65% /home <-- source is here jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 15:26:23 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA28937 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:26:23 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28931 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:26:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11287; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:26:00 -0700 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Stephen Hocking , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Caldera & why we should get Linux compat working 100% In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:27:18 EDT." Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:25:59 -0700 Message-ID: <11285.811031159@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > [thread xfer'ed to chat] > > > > >>When Linux has a word processor, spreadsheet, and database that is as > > >>user friendly as the offerings from MSoft and the like, it will have a > > >>chance of becoming popular. Until then, it's a sideshow. > > > popular ?? It's also wrong. UNIX has LOST the desktop race! Lost lost lost! It's gone, over, kaput, too late, write your mother and say you're coming home in defeat! :-) Bringing word perfect and Excel to Linux will mean that those Linux users who have a need for such tools won't have to run Windows, and that is fine, but it won't attract NEW users who have a need for those tools alone. I mean let's face it - Windows is effectively "free" since anybody can buy the "OEM version" in a computer store for about $30 (even less now that '95 is out and all those millions of copies of 3.1 are next to worthless - 3.1 is just fine for running Word and excel, remember!), so if all you want to run are those apps and perhaps the occasional copy of "access" or "NOTES" then Windows remains, hands down, your best bet. Why sweat through the pain of learning Linux administration when all you want is to be able to write your reports in Word? I think the caldera folks have misjudged the market. Oh sure, they'll be a "success" because the Linux market is big enough now that lots of folks will jump in just for the sake of it, but they won't be keeping Bill Gates up at night at all. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 00:53:16 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA29617 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:53:16 -0700 Received: from oasis.txdirect.net (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA29611 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:53:14 -0700 Received: (from rsnow@localhost) by oasis.txdirect.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA14343; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:53:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:53:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Arrow keys in OLEO? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone managed to get the arrow keys working in oleo? I've hacked around with the bindings tree for a while and still cant make the suckers work properly. ______________________________________________________________________ Rob Snow Powered by FreeBSD rsnow@txdirect.net http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 02:54:57 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA02776 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:54:57 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA02748 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:51:48 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA25045; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:51:10 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA10917; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:51:09 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09069; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:11:37 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509140911.LAA09069@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Dallas Show To: jbryant@argus.iadfw.net (Jim Bryant) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:11:36 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509140008.TAA02499@argus.iadfw.net> from "Jim Bryant" at Sep 13, 95 07:08:41 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 256 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jim Bryant wrote: > > I know this doesn't belong in -hackers, but... Then send it to freebsd-chat instead. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 12:29:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA19280 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:29:41 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19275 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:29:38 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA09968; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:22:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: ignore To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk asdf Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 17:45:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA08887 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:45:25 -0700 Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA08881 for chat; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:45:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:45:22 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199509150045.RAA08881@freefall.freebsd.org> To: chat Subject: nothing really Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk has anyone done a port of DDD? here is a url: http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/softech/software/ddd_e.html jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 19:24:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA12305 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:24:32 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA12298 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:24:26 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA15122; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:26:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:26:39 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199509150226.UAA15122@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: nothing really In-Reply-To: <199509150045.RAA08881@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199509150045.RAA08881@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > has anyone done a port of DDD? I compiled up 1.2, but haven't had a chance to do the 1.3b binary yet. However, it's trivial to do but it requires Motif. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 06:57:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA02703 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 06:57:27 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA02684 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 06:57:20 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA11200; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:48:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:48:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: nothing really To: Joerg Wunsch cc: Nate Williams , chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509150555.HAA17465@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Nate Williams wrote: > > > > > has anyone done a port of DDD? > > > > I compiled up 1.2, but haven't had a chance to do the 1.3b binary yet. > > However, it's trivial to do but it requires Motif. > > What is it? In any case, there's a name clash with ``ddd'' (double- > speed dd) here... it is a graphical front end to gdb. it provides a point and click pointer deference and structure display capability. structure relationships are displayed as a directed graph. useful when chasing through isa_device or ifnet structures. try this url: http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/softech/software a postscript tech report on ddd is available there Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 12:15:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA29847 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:15:34 -0700 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29842 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:15:31 -0700 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04229; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:15:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:15:15 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Partners / Gallery page Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk When you get a chance, wander over to http://www.freebsd.org/gallery.html. This idea has been batted around for a while and I just made up the page this morning. It would be nice to get 10 or 15 more entries before "going public". -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 12:49:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA00863 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:49:27 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00833 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:49:10 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA20408; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:40:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Partners / Gallery page To: John Fieber cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, John Fieber wrote: > When you get a chance, wander over to > http://www.freebsd.org/gallery.html. This idea has been batted around > for a while and I just made up the page this morning. It would be nice > to get 10 or 15 more entries before "going public". looks good. great idea. we have to have more pages! jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 20:42:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA27584 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:42:24 -0700 Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA27578 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:42:19 -0700 Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA21719; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:44:28 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199509160344.XAA21719@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: 2.1 -- When? Hey -- anyone going to be at Unix-expo? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <12158.811210165@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Sep 15, 95 05:09:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1278 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Ok, if this is the general consensus, when will 2.1 be available? > > Stock reply: October > Developer's reply: "When it's ready, darn it!" :) > > Jordan > Ship no code before it's time... eh? One good note... 2.1.0-STABLE looks great. Keep up the good work. I've got a week off before my new job. I just got out of working at Fort Monmouth and I'm heading off to work AIX admin at IBM. So... I've been up early and going to bed late working on 2.0.5 and 2.1.0 on my 386SX and 486 (before the motherboard died.) I've been very impressed with 2.0.5 and 2.1.0. I couldn't get 2.0 up on my two machines -- but 2.0.5 and 2.1 STABLE have rivalled 1.1.5.1 here so far. I've been fighting the SIG11's with 2.2-CURRENT -- but I dropped back to 2.1.0-STABLE and built it all with a make world and all is ok again. Thanks for the great work folks. Anyone going to Unix Expo in NY. There's a Linux BOF -- any FreeBSD'ers going? Bill Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 21:26:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA28341 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 21:26:55 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA28336 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 21:26:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA13540; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 21:22:58 -0700 To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 -- When? Hey -- anyone going to be at Unix-expo? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:44:28 EDT." <199509160344.XAA21719@shell.monmouth.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 21:22:57 -0700 Message-ID: <13538.811225377@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Ship no code before it's time... eh? Dern tootin'. > Thanks for the great work folks. Welcome! > Anyone going to Unix Expo in NY. There's a Linux BOF -- any FreeBSD'ers > going? When is it? I might (emphasis on *might*) be able to wangle an invite.. I *will* be at the USENIX LISA conference in 2 weeks, if anyone's going to that! Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 08:56:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA05919 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:56:34 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA05909 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:56:31 -0700 Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA10412; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:47:50 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199509161547.LAA10412@hda.com> Subject: Re: 2.1 -- When? Hey -- anyone going to be at Unix-expo? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <13538.811225377@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Sep 15, 95 09:22:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 247 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm thinking of going. It will be a relief to be in a roomful of Unix. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 08:57:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA06047 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:57:57 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA06042 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:57:54 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id RAA23030 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:57:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA04453 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:57:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00980 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:54:02 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509161554.RAA00980@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Daemon poll To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:54:01 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 981 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is just an informative poll. We've got a company that is willing to produce daemon plushies. I've already sent a mail to Kirk McKusick asking for permission, and in order to estimate the amount of plushies we'd have to order (and to estimate the price then), i need a very rough figure about the potential interest. So if anybody here is interested in getting one (or more) of them, please drop me a note. My current estimation is that the whole thing might work as long as we could sell them (including shipping costs) for DM 30 (abt. US$ 20) or below. In case it will happen, we are also seeking volunteers who could handle the redistribution for several countries, most appreciated would be somebody who could handle it for US. Shipping each daemon in a separate box across the ocean seems to be not The Right Thing to me. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)