From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 17 16:53:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12707 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12680 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16914; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:52:20 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512180052.TAA16914@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:52:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: <199512172150.OAA21864@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 17, 95 02:50:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > pechter@shell.monmouth.com writes: > > Just wanted to announce that FreeBSD 2.0.5-release runs unmodified on a > > ThinkPad 365. I'm hacking in the IDE CD support to work out the > > installation of additional tools. > > Does that mean you didn't even have to mess with the console drivers? > > > Nate > Absolutely. This is a different chipset than the 755/760/701 and 350/360 series. It's a chips & techologies video set. I don't know about the keyboard controller. Seems pretty standard. Uses a Phoenix 1.03 bios rev with a Cyrix (according to FreeBSD's probe) 486DLC (I think it was a DLC). Consider the 365 a FreeBSD success story -- Linux can't seem to handle it. Step 1. Rawrite floppy. Step 2. Copy dists/bin to /FreeBSD/bin on the dos partition. Step 3. Boot. Step 4. Install minimum 2.05 system. Step 5. Add the wdc atapi support from /incoming. Step 6. Build new kernel (still working on getting this working with APM psm -- however WCD support works now...) Step 7. Still working on getting X11 up. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 18 12:21:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17148 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (surfs-up.demon.co.uk [158.152.128.94]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17127 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00234 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:36:49 GMT From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <199512181136.LAA00234@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Subject: General comments on 2.1 install To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:36:48 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do, I've just spent the weekend battling with the 2.1 install, and thought I'd pass on a few random thoughts that occured to me as I was doing it. o I like the new 'visual' kernel configuration. Very slick. However, I didn't see any way of entering '-1' for some card defaults, which normally means 'use whatever values the card knows about'. With my (somewhat strange) 3c509 net card, I had to boot up with -c, then do port ep0 0x300 irq ep0 -1 visual o It would be nice if values that are normally entered in hex prompted a warning if they weren't preceeded with '0x'. A couple of times fumble fingers would type 'port ep0 300', as opposed to '0x300'. o I'd like to see the holographic shell appear somewhat earlier in the installation. Ideally as soon as a working file system with utilities is in place. This way I could go and manually FTP some of the distributions into the right place by hand. The Passive FTP option didn't work on some of the firewalled systems I tried this weekend, and I had to force the shell to appear by selecting some other bogus media. o When installing a distribution, an 'estimated time to completion' counter would be nice. The bar graph is nice, but when you're installing bits over a 28.8 modem all the information you can get is handy. o My /etc/fstab file was written with the msdos filesystem as the first entry. This is fine with MSDOSFS compiled into the kernel, but after re-compiling a kernel with the MSDOSFS filesystem loaded on demand (incidentally, what are the benefits of this, apart from a smaller kernel image at boot time?) it would try to mount the MSDOS partition before the LKM was in place. Shuffling the order of fstab fixes this. o What's Apache doing in /etc/sysconfig? Don't things like that belong rc.local? I realise that many people will be using FreeBSD as a Web server, but couldn't this be better handled by the Apache port or package, possibly as a post-install question to the user, something like: "Apache has been successfully installed. You will need to modify your /etc/rc.local file to start Apache at boot time. Add these lines to /etc/rc.local if [ -x /usr/local/libexec/httpd ]; then echo -n ' httpd (WWW)' /usr/local/libexec/httpd -r /usr/local/www/config/httpd.conf fi I can add these lines for you. Would you like me to?" Or similar? Incidentally, that line above runs my CERN server, but you get the idea. o I installed bits of the system down a SuperJANET link. Very fast, ~200K a second at some points. Trying to maximise this I thought I'd do a "make fetch" for the ports I was interested, and then compile them later in the day when I lost my net access. However, what this didn't do was pull down any ports that the port depended on. I first noticed this when "make fetch" for XV didn't get the JPEG and TIFF libraries as well. I went back and got them all by hand, but I thought that the ports collection was designed to handle this sort of thing? Apologies if it's not. o I don't see any way of installing 2.1 from an existing 2.1 system. It's not an issue for me right now, but if my current machine runs 2.1 successfully I'm planning on getting another one. It would be nice if I could plug this new machine into the network, run some server on the current 2.1 machine, point the new machine at it and say "fetch". I realise I could do this over FTP or NFS, but this would require the existing 2.1 machine to have the 2.1 distribution tree on it, and I don't really have the space at the moment to store a complete 2.1 system and a complete 2.1 distribution on this machine. Um, there's probably more, but those are the ones I wrote down Anyway, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say "Congratulations" to everyone on the FreeBSD team for 2.1. So far it's proved to be very stable and very efficient. I plan on hammering it a bit more this week, but so far I'm very, very impressed. Oh yeah, Merry Christmas to you all! N -- --+=[ Blueberry Hill Blueberry Design ]=+-- --+=[ http://www.blueberry.co.uk/ 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre, ]=+-- --+=[ WebMaster@blueberry.co.uk London, England, SW10 0XE ]=+-- From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 01:53:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA04202 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA03932 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA20785; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:49:07 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA09421; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:49:06 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02736; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:16:41 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512190916.KAA02736@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: General comments on 2.1 install To: nik@blueberry.co.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:16:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512181136.LAA00234@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> from "Nik Clayton" at Dec 18, 95 11:36:48 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Nik Clayton wrote: > > o I'd like to see the holographic shell appear somewhat earlier in the > installation. Only one comment from me (the rest is left for ...): there's simply no shell available earlier. The boot floppy itself doesn't have a shell. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 02:43:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA06824 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06818 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12893 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:28:31 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA29797; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:28:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:28:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199512191028.LAA29797@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Konrad Zuse died MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Konrad Zuse inventor of the computer died last night From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 03:21:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA09122 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA09117 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA16720; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:16:22 -0800 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: nik@blueberry.co.uk (Nik Clayton), chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General comments on 2.1 install In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:16:41 +0100." <199512190916.KAA02736@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:16:21 -0800 Message-ID: <16718.819371781@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Gee, guys, I've covered this a couple of times before. I can't launch the shell until I chroot or I lose the floppy. I can't chroot until I've got a reasonable enough environment to chroot *to* or it's kinda pointless! That's why it makes the most sense to chroot after I have the root floppy. Yes, I agree it's a pain. Give me some fix for the problem that clamps down on the root floppy and I'll happily fork off the EHS any time you like! It might not be *usable* for anything immediately (don't forget, there are no `mount' commands or any number of other things until the root fs is loaded!) but you'll have it. Jordan > As Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > o I'd like to see the holographic shell appear somewhat earlier in the > > installation. > > Only one comment from me (the rest is left for ...): there's simply no > shell available earlier. The boot floppy itself doesn't have a shell. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 05:00:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14433 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jessica.RatsNest.VaBeach.VA.US. (shiva1.ipctech.com [199.181.207.231]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA14428 Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:00:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512191300.FAA14428@freefall.freebsd.org> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Pavlov's Cat" Organization: Organized? Me? Hah! To: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:00:08 -240 Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop Reply-to: SimsS@Infi.Net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bill/Carolyn Pechter pens: : : Absolutely. This is a different chipset than the 755/760/701 and 350/360 : series. It's a chips & techologies video set. I don't know about the : keyboard controller. Seems pretty standard. Uses a Phoenix 1.03 bios rev : with a Cyrix (according to FreeBSD's probe) 486DLC (I think it was a DLC). : : Consider the 365 a FreeBSD success story -- Linux can't seem to handle it. Nor can Win'95 every time/every config. IBM seems to throw Stinkpads together with whatever happens to be lying around on the warehouse floor. The 75x's have been a royal bone here for six months. Curse big blue. (I feel better having got THAT off my chest.) Another Big Win(tm) for FreeBSD! -- ...sjs... Steve Sims (SJS7) SimsS@Infi.Net Systems Engineer, IPC Technologies, Inc. Virginia Beach, VA "Everyone wants to save the Earth; Nobody wants to help Mom do the dishes." ...P.J. O'Roarke From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 11:13:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28778 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28773 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA25486; Tue, 19 Dec 95 11:13:35 PST From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) Message-Id: <9512191913.AA25486@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: test message To: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199512120350.TAA04323@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Dec 11, 95 07:50:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3ALPHA] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > foo > bar > baz > quux > Has somebody been reading the Jargin File lately? :-)) -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 16:57:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19796 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19755 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA12036; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:56:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:56:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: "David E. O'Brien" cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: test message In-Reply-To: <9512191913.AA25486@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, David E. O'Brien wrote: > > foo > > bar > > baz > > quux > > > > Has somebody been reading the Jargin File lately? :-)) oh momma dont let your boys growup to be hackers.... Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 22:42:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02176 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02149 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA02243 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:41:33 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA21915 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:41:33 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id CAA10380; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:03:56 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512200103.CAA10380@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu (Faried Nawaz) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:03:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Chat Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199512191535.HAA00488@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu> from "Faried Nawaz" at Dec 19, 95 07:35:29 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ redirected to chat ] It seems that Faried Nawaz said: > 1.0?!? gimme! :) > > faried, 1.0 -> 1.1-g -> 1.1.5.1 -> 2.0 -> 2.0.5 -> current Only 1.0 ? I started with 386BSD 0.1 patchkit 0.2.3, 0.2.4 then moved to FreeBSD after the Great Flame War(tm) of 1993 which gave us FreeBSD and NetBSD... My computer was born on March, 15th 1993... :-) I went running -CURRENT between 1.0.2 and 1.1... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 19 23:27:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA03842 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from oasis.txdirect.net (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03834 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rsnow@localhost) by oasis.txdirect.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA12728; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:27:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:27:23 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Snow To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Kinda cool Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was just looking for the latest version of xcdplayer: Hit xarchie for "xcdplayer" and I got HAMMERED by FreeBSD mirrors of some sort! I LOVE it. __________________________________________________________________ Rob Snow Powered by FreeBSD rsnow@txdirect.net http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 01:14:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08474 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08226 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA07379 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:06:42 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA29170 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:06:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA08921 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:04:20 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512200904.KAA08921@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:04:20 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512200103.CAA10380@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Dec 20, 95 02:03:55 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > [ redirected to chat ] > > It seems that Faried Nawaz said: > > 1.0?!? gimme! :) > > > > faried, 1.0 -> 1.1-g -> 1.1.5.1 -> 2.0 -> 2.0.5 -> current > > Only 1.0 ? > > I started with 386BSD 0.1 patchkit 0.2.3, 0.2.4 then moved to FreeBSD after > the Great Flame War(tm) of 1993 which gave us FreeBSD and NetBSD... Well, but then you've been missing the most funny piece: 386BSD 0.0! Not only that it didn't know anything about FDISK partitions (why should it? after all, it was just BSD, used to occupy an entire disk all the time...), but following the advise ``Don't forget to run make depend.'' after config'ing a new kernel was fatal. :-O It reproducibly caused a page fault, since some string space in the execve code was too small to handle the long argument list. Despite of panicking all over the place, i've been impressed about the stability of the file system however. I've never lost a single file (unlike with some SysV i've been using previously). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 02:46:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA13453 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA13446 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id FAA22934; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:51:11 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199512201051.FAA22934@hda.com> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:51:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu, m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512200103.CAA10380@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Dec 20, 95 02:03:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > [ redirected to chat ] > > It seems that Faried Nawaz said: > > 1.0?!? gimme! :) > > > > faried, 1.0 -> 1.1-g -> 1.1.5.1 -> 2.0 -> 2.0.5 -> current > > Only 1.0 ? > > I started with 386BSD 0.1 patchkit 0.2.3, 0.2.4 then moved to FreeBSD after > the Great Flame War(tm) of 1993 which gave us FreeBSD and NetBSD... > > My computer was born on March, 15th 1993... :-) Time for a new computer, eh? My motherboard arrived October 9th 1992. I bought it to run 386bsd and it has never booted anything but 386BSD and then FreeBSD. I'm now talking with Rod to retire this machine to a network and mail server and upgrade. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 06:15:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA20408 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20402 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19521; Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:15:15 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA24843; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:15:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:15:15 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9512201415.AA24843@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: rsnow@txdirect.net Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from Rob Snow on Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:27:23 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: Kinda cool Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Rob" == Rob Snow writes: Rob> I was just looking for the latest version of xcdplayer: Hit Rob> xarchie for "xcdplayer" and I got HAMMERED by FreeBSD mirrors Rob> of some sort! YESSSSSS!! Rob> I LOVE it. That's one reason I avoid archie.sura.net ... even if I look for hpux or sunos, I seem to get 500 linux hits. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA TASK: Shoot yourself in the foot. In Modula2: After realizing that you can't actually accomplish anything in this language, you shoot yourself in the head. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 07:41:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA24753 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24741 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA29383; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:43:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:43:13 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512201543.IAA29383@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Peter Dufault Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert), fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu, m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199512201051.FAA22934@hda.com> References: <199512200103.CAA10380@keltia.freenix.fr> <199512201051.FAA22934@hda.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ FreeBSD history ] > > > faried, 1.0 -> 1.1-g -> 1.1.5.1 -> 2.0 -> 2.0.5 -> current > > > > Only 1.0 ? > > > > I started with 386BSD 0.1 patchkit 0.2.3, 0.2.4 then moved to FreeBSD after > > the Great Flame War(tm) of 1993 which gave us FreeBSD and NetBSD... > > > My motherboard arrived October 9th 1992. I bought it to run 386bsd > and it has never booted anything but 386BSD and then FreeBSD. I'm > now talking with Rod to retire this machine to a network and mail > server and upgrade. Wow, must be nice. My machine was bought to run 386bsd as well. It was a 486/33 ISA box (it predated VLB), and it's *still* my main development box, although it has seen some upgrades in it's day. Now, it's a 486/66 box, and it may go to a 486/100 soon. However, the motherboard, disk controller, and floppies are still original. It *was* the development box for the 'interim release' and the builder of patchkits until WC donated freefall. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 11:32:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11632 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11622 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03086; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:32:19 +0200 (SAT) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22008; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:32:17 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199512201932.VAA22008@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: Peter Dufault , roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert), fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu, m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:32:14 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > [ FreeBSD history ] > > > > > faried, 1.0 -> 1.1-g -> 1.1.5.1 -> 2.0 -> 2.0.5 -> current > > > > > > Only 1.0 ? > > > > > > I started with 386BSD 0.1 patchkit 0.2.3, 0.2.4 then moved to FreeBSD aft er > > > the Great Flame War(tm) of 1993 which gave us FreeBSD and NetBSD... :-) :-) :-) Nyah Nyah Nyah! _I_ started with 386BSD _before_ the patchkit days !!! <*WHACK* - Hey! No fair! (wipes tomato juice out of eyes)> > > My motherboard arrived October 9th 1992. I bought it to run 386bsd > > and it has never booted anything but 386BSD and then FreeBSD. I'm > > now talking with Rod to retire this machine to a network and mail > > server and upgrade. > > Wow, must be nice. My machine was bought to run 386bsd as well. It was > a 486/33 ISA box (it predated VLB), and it's *still* my main development > box, although it has seen some upgrades in it's day. Now, it's a 486/66 > box, and it may go to a 486/100 soon. However, the motherboard, disk > controller, and floppies are still original. I bought this 486dx50 for the same reason. I reckon it has at least a year of life in it, given my financial situation. Heck - I bought my first 300MB SCSI drive for UNIX, only I couldn't afford these @#$%ing SYSV4.2 pieces of %&*! that were going around. Ain't I glad now! > It *was* the development box for the 'interim release' and the builder > of patchkits until WC donated freefall. :) Hmm... Piece of history, then... Please take some photographs and submit them somewhere for posterity. (I volunteer if no-one else does) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 11:42:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12067 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12058 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00133; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:45:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:45:06 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512201945.MAA00133@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Mark Murray Cc: Nate Williams , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199512201932.VAA22008@grumble.grondar.za> References: <199512201932.VAA22008@grumble.grondar.za> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mark Murray writes: > Nate Williams wrote: > :-) :-) :-) Nyah Nyah Nyah! missiles> > > _I_ started with 386BSD _before_ the patchkit days !!! > <*WHACK* - Hey! No fair! (wipes tomato juice out of eyes)> Hey, I helped start the patchkit, so of course it was before the patchkit days. I think I'm one of the 386bsd 0.1 contributors. :) > I bought this 486dx50 for the same reason. I reckon it has at least a > year of life in it, given my financial situation. Heck - I bought my first > 300MB SCSI drive for UNIX, only I couldn't afford these @#$%ing SYSV4.2 > pieces of %&*! that were going around. Ain't I glad now! The orignal 340MB drive is done now. I thought it went bad so I traded something for a modem. The modem was useless, and it turned out the drive was fine, it was a problem with my power supply. > > It *was* the development box for the 'interim release' and the builder > > of patchkits until WC donated freefall. :) > > Hmm... Piece of history, then... Please take some photographs and submit > them somewhere for posterity. (I volunteer if no-one else does) It looks quite a bit different than it did originally. It's now got a NEC 3x CD-ROM and a nice 17" monitor on it. Much better than the mono-VGA system originally which had 512K of memory. :( Besides, who wants to look at tower case with floppies on it? *grin* Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 11:57:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12785 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12769 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03109; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:56:28 +0200 (SAT) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22359; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:56:25 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199512201956.VAA22359@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:56:23 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > Mark Murray writes: > > Nate Williams wrote: > > :-) :-) :-) Nyah Nyah Nyah! > missiles> > > > > _I_ started with 386BSD _before_ the patchkit days !!! > > <*WHACK* - Hey! No fair! (wipes tomato juice out of eyes)> > > Hey, I helped start the patchkit, so of course it was before the > patchkit days. I think I'm one of the 386bsd 0.1 contributors. :) OK - maybe you can help me find out something - When the patchkits were being made, there were the 50000-series that were "not for export". I got a set - minus the crypt.c, and set it up at the University of Cape Town (briefly) until Geoff Rehmet picked up that ball and ran with it. (Anyone following me?) Geoff set up his site (braae.ru.ac.za), making me very happy (I had no work to do ]:->). What I am looking for is anyone who remembers any of this - I would like to thank the kind person who actually took my interest seriously and therfore sparked my further interest in {386|Free}BSD. Who sent me those "sanitised" patchkits? > > I bought this 486dx50 for the same reason. I reckon it has at least a > > year of life in it, given my financial situation. Heck - I bought my first > > 300MB SCSI drive for UNIX, only I couldn't afford these @#$%ing SYSV4.2 > > pieces of %&*! that were going around. Ain't I glad now! > > The orignal 340MB drive is done now. I thought it went bad so I traded > something for a modem. The modem was useless, and it turned out the > drive was fine, it was a problem with my power supply. :-) Same here! I have a 340MB SCSI That will replace my "junk" 5"-full heights (I shit thee not!) _when_ they break. (They are in the edge now!) > > > It *was* the development box for the 'interim release' and the builder > > > of patchkits until WC donated freefall. :) > > > > Hmm... Piece of history, then... Please take some photographs and submit > > them somewhere for posterity. (I volunteer if no-one else does) > > It looks quite a bit different than it did originally. It's now got a > NEC 3x CD-ROM and a nice 17" monitor on it. Much better than the > mono-VGA system originally which had 512K of memory. :( > > Besides, who wants to look at tower case with floppies on it? *grin* How much would you give to put your hand on the machine that cracked ENIGMA? ;-) I have this soft spot for FreeBSD, see? :-) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 12:09:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13311 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13305 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00218; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:11:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:11:29 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512202011.NAA00218@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Mark Murray Cc: Nate Williams , rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199512201956.VAA22359@grumble.grondar.za> References: <199512201956.VAA22359@grumble.grondar.za> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hey, I helped start the patchkit, so of course it was before the > > patchkit days. I think I'm one of the 386bsd 0.1 contributors. :) > > OK - maybe you can help me find out something - When the patchkits were > being made, there were the 50000-series that were "not for export". The 5000 series patches for 'experimental'. I don't remember any 50000 non-exportable patches, though by that time Rod and Jordan were doing the patchkit. Let me go dig on my box to make sure. Sigh, I remember that when I upgraded to 2.1 I backed all of my patchkit stuff onto tape. I still have the patchkit generation software there. Someday when FreeBSD is *huge* and everyone is running it, I'll sell my box for a million dollars with all of the software on it. *grin* > I got > a set - minus the crypt.c, and set it up at the University of Cape Town > (briefly) until Geoff Rehmet picked up that ball and ran with it. (Anyone > following me?) Geoff set up his site (braae.ru.ac.za), making me very > happy (I had no work to do ]:->). What I am looking for is anyone who > remembers any of this - I would like to thank the kind person who > actually took my interest seriously and therfore sparked my further > interest in {386|Free}BSD. Who sent me those "sanitised" patchkits? Rod might remember this, I'm Cc'ing him on this to see if he remembers. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 12:16:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13693 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13684 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03131; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:16:02 +0200 (SAT) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA23815; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:15:55 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199512202015.WAA23815@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:15:48 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > > > Hey, I helped start the patchkit, so of course it was before the > > > patchkit days. I think I'm one of the 386bsd 0.1 contributors. :) > > > > OK - maybe you can help me find out something - When the patchkits were > > being made, there were the 50000-series that were "not for export". > > The 5000 series patches for 'experimental'. I don't remember any 50000 > non-exportable patches, though by that time Rod and Jordan were doing > the patchkit. Jordan? Hmm - maybe he sent me that sanitised kit? > Let me go dig on my box to make sure. Sigh, I remember that when I > upgraded to 2.1 I backed all of my patchkit stuff onto tape. I still > have the patchkit generation software there. Someday when FreeBSD is > *huge* and everyone is running it, I'll sell my box for a million > dollars with all of the software on it. *grin* Hah! So an old box _is_ worth something?! Where are you in the USA? I am planning a trip (in maybe a year) and any famous FreeBSD sites will certainly get a visit! > Rod might remember this, I'm Cc'ing him on this to see if he remembers. :-) :-) :-) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 14:45:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22017 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22007 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA12009 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:44:51 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA25062 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:44:50 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id XAA13230; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:38:20 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512202238.XAA13230@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:38:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu, m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512201051.FAA22934@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Dec 20, 95 05:51:10 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Peter Dufault said: > Time for a new computer, eh? I've already changed the motherboard to get an EISA one two years ago and recently put a DX4/100 to replace the DX-33 :-) > My motherboard arrived October 9th 1992. I bought it to run 386bsd > and it has never booted anything but 386BSD and then FreeBSD. I'm > now talking with Rod to retire this machine to a network and mail > server and upgrade. I started with a DX33-ISA/VLB and now I have a DX4/100-EISA/VLB... I'm not financially ready for the Pentium (I have 32 MB of RAM in 9bit-SIMM and memory in France is about 50$/MB...) :-( -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 15:28:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24206 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24200 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13522; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:28:12 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199512202328.PAA13522@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:28:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, nate@rocky.sri.MT.net, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512202011.NAA00218@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 20, 95 01:11:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Hey, I helped start the patchkit, so of course it was before the > > > patchkit days. I think I'm one of the 386bsd 0.1 contributors. :) > > > > OK - maybe you can help me find out something - When the patchkits were > > being made, there were the 50000-series that were "not for export". > > The 5000 series patches for 'experimental'. I don't remember any 50000 > non-exportable patches, though by that time Rod and Jordan were doing > the patchkit. > > Let me go dig on my box to make sure. Sigh, I remember that when I > upgraded to 2.1 I backed all of my patchkit stuff onto tape. I still > have the patchkit generation software there. Someday when FreeBSD is > *huge* and everyone is running it, I'll sell my box for a million > dollars with all of the software on it. *grin* > > > I got > > a set - minus the crypt.c, and set it up at the University of Cape Town > > (briefly) until Geoff Rehmet picked up that ball and ran with it. (Anyone > > following me?) Geoff set up his site (braae.ru.ac.za), making me very > > happy (I had no work to do ]:->). What I am looking for is anyone who > > remembers any of this - I would like to thank the kind person who > > actually took my interest seriously and therfore sparked my further > > interest in {386|Free}BSD. Who sent me those "sanitised" patchkits? > > Rod might remember this, I'm Cc'ing him on this to see if he remembers. Humm... actually, yea, I do remember there being one of the patches that was the stuff to install crypt on the system. The patch included everything but crypt.c which you had to pick up from some other site. The only patchkit I have online right now is the last one, let me see... >From the upgrade notes I find this: 2. Install ALL patches in the range 1 to 138 inclusive. If you have a good reason to not have any of these installed we would like to know about it. If you do not do this, you will lose these patches when you do the step 4. You should leave the patch50000 installed if you are using crypt, it has NOT changed. So infact it was patch50000 that did the magic, and if history does not mistake me I was the one who created that patch. I do not know if it was me who helped you get it outside the US though. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 16:37:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA26389 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from oasis.txdirect.net (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26384 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rsnow@localhost) by oasis.txdirect.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA17572; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:36:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:36:29 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Snow To: Jon Loeliger cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS In-Reply-To: <199512202307.RAA22874@chrome.jdl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Jon Loeliger wrote: > [amee@bsdi.org mercifully removed from cc: list] > > Apparently, amee@bsdi.org scribbled: > > SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS PLEASE > > You know, normally we don't get abused like this until > the *beginning* of the semesters. So what? Is school > out and people are restless at the end of the semesters > now too? > > I suppose this is supposed to be humorous, coming from > BSDI.org and all... :-) Too bad it's "bsdi.com", where > no amee lives. Catch that "Reply-To:" header? > Anyone care to comment on: > > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20545 > Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:35 -0800 (PST) > Received: (from root@localhost) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA20497 > for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) > Received: from msu.edu (ibm.cl.msu.edu [35.8.2.2]) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20485 > for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 -0800 (PST) > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <199512202219.OAA20485@freefall.freebsd.org> When I checked my path I had, in addition to the above: Received: from bsdi.com by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 20 Dec 95 17:17:14 EST Oh, I CC'd to chat instead of hackers. __________________________________________________________________ Rob Snow Powered by FreeBSD rsnow@txdirect.net http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 17:47:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28956 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:47:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28951 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA24616; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:39:11 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199512210039.TAA24616@hda.com> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:39:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu, m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512201543.IAA29383@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 20, 95 08:43:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > [ FreeBSD history ] > > > > > My motherboard arrived October 9th 1992. I bought it to run 386bsd > > and it has never booted anything but 386BSD and then FreeBSD. I'm > > now talking with Rod to retire this machine to a network and mail > > server and upgrade. > > Wow, must be nice. No, unfortunately we have the "accounting machine" that run Windows. I alwasy steal it to run FreeBSD. At least it isn't the other way around... -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 18:47:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04022 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM ([198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04012 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA15097; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:44:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:44:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: Nate Williams cc: Peter Dufault , Ollivier Robert , fn@pain.csrv.uidaho.edu, m.sapsed@bangor.ac.uk, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199512201543.IAA29383@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > Wow, must be nice. My machine was bought to run 386bsd as well. It was > a 486/33 ISA box (it predated VLB), and it's *still* my main development > box, although it has seen some upgrades in it's day. Now, it's a 486/66 > box, and it may go to a 486/100 soon. However, the motherboard, disk > controller, and floppies are still original. > > It *was* the development box for the 'interim release' and the builder > of patchkits until WC donated freefall. :) ok guys, you all donate the machines, i will donate the space to create the "FreeBSD Museum". we can have the machines set up with scripts to perform the functions that they fulfilled during their working days. "Yes Ladies and Gentlemen! this is the processor that rolled 386BSD 0.1pl24. please look on page 62 of your guides....." Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 19:09:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA04670 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM ([198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04662 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA15169; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:08:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS In-Reply-To: <199512202219.OAA20485@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk anyone got the glossy magazine cover with newt gingrinch in the famous janet jackson pose. please send it to this poor boy. On Wed, 20 Dec 1995 amee@bsdi.org wrote: > SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS PLEASE > > THANK YOU > end > /QUIT > /SaVe > > L0g)ut?!?! > > help?? > > please send lots of gifs > > ThAnX yoU > > > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 22:42:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17100 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17093 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA14723 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:41:32 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA25771 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:41:31 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id AAA13615; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:09:28 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512202309.AAA13615@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:09:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512200904.KAA08921@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Dec 20, 95 10:04:20 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that J Wunsch said: > Well, but then you've been missing the most funny piece: 386BSD 0.0! Yes, I know. But my 386 at the time of 0.0 was not really able to run it (a bad memory chip prevented any protected mode operation and it was a Compaq so memory prices were far too high for me)... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 22:43:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17116 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17047 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA14727 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:41:33 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA25774 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:41:32 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id AAA13651; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:11:53 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512202311.AAA13651@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:11:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512201956.VAA22359@grumble.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Dec 20, 95 09:56:23 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Mark Murray said: > How much would you give to put your hand on the machine that cracked > ENIGMA? ;-) Do you have a "bomba" built by the Polish for craking the Enigma ? Ot did you took one the Bentchley Park (sp ?) bombs ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 20 23:18:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18000 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17995 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA03824; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:17:39 +0200 (SAT) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28301; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:17:38 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199512210717.JAA28301@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ollivier Robert cc: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:17:35 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Mark Murray said: > > How much would you give to put your hand on the machine that cracked > > ENIGMA? ;-) > > Do you have a "bomba" built by the Polish for craking the Enigma ? Ot did > you took one the Bentchley Park (sp ?) bombs ? Er, neither, but I would give my eye teeth to have a good look at either. I have read a bit about the Bletchley Park (sp?) machine, and the mother of a good friend of mine worked there during the war. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 21 09:15:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19147 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19123 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA06814; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:15:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199512211715.MAA06814@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: questions@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: December issue of SunExpert Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was thumbing through my latest issue of SunExpert and noticed in the "New Products" section a little blurb on FreeBSD. "Freeware and shareware vendor Walnut Creek CDROM has added FreeBSD 2.0.5 to its offerings. FreeBSD is a UNIX-like OS for Intel Corp. microprocessor-based PCs. The product is not unlike Linux, the well-known UNIX-like OS for PCs that is freely available from a number of sources; however, FreeBSD is derived from the Berkeley Standard Distribution of UNIX from the University of California at Berkeley. FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of sources, but Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set with technical support. Pricing at $3995." Either they were a *tad* bit behind on there announcement or they screwed up the release number. Either way, good publicity! -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 21 09:19:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19564 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19544 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA06824; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:19:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:19:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199512211719.MAA06824@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: questions@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE:SunExpert Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of sources, but > Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set with technical support. Pricing > at $3995." ^^^^^ Sorry, $39.95 -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 21 12:12:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05005 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04999 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00643; Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:12:49 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA26837; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:12:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:12:48 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9512212012.AA26837@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512211715.MAA06814@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> (chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Subject: Re: December issue of SunExpert Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "chuck" == chuck writes: chuck> FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of chuck> sources, but Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set chuck> with technical support. Pricing at $3995." ^^^^ Whoa. I thought this was *FREE*bsd! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA The land that had nourished him and had borne him fruit now turned against him and called him a fruit. Man, I hate land like that. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 21 12:58:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08429 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from condor.physics.montana.edu (condor.physics.montana.edu [153.90.240.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08424 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from handy@localhost) by condor.physics.montana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA19935; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:57:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:57:03 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Handy To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE:SunExpert In-Reply-To: <199512211719.MAA06824@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of sources, but > > Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set with technical support. Pricing > > at $3995." > ^^^^^ > Sorry, $39.95 Heh...I was wondering just how good publicity like this would be! =) Happy Trails Brian From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 21 14:56:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA18395 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18390 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA06145; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:55:25 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA16335; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:55:25 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA16392; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:21:09 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512212221.XAA16392@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SunExpert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:21:09 +0100 (MET) Cc: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512211719.MAA06824@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from "chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu" at Dec 21, 95 12:19:41 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk (Moved to -chat) As chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu wrote: > > > FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of sources, but > > Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set with technical support. Pricing ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > at $3995." > ^^^^^ > Sorry, $39.95 Wow, does SunExpert finally pay Walnut Creek for Tech Support? :-] -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 22 12:06:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA15646 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15641 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25880; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:03:59 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512222003.PAA25880@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: *BSD users subscription count To: ljeditor@ssc.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:03:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Phil asked for email responses if you're a *BSD user subscribing/reading Linux Journal. I'm one, my wife's a secondary reader. We've got FreeBSD, Novell Dos and OS/2 on our main Internet connection box and FreeBSD, IBM PCDOS7 and OS2 on my laptop. (Both these are ISA 486DX33s.) Her machine runs Linux, OS/2 and Novell Dos. My hacking box (386sx25) runs either Linux (started with 99.10), FreeBSD (started with 1.02) or NetBSD (started with 0.8). I am not a BSD bigot. I prefer System V init and multiple run states. I think Linux and the two BSDs are excellent Unix systems (which are as solid as SunOS or HP-UX). I like Linux, but I much prefer the single BSD code base to the Linux anarchy. I'm very much in favor of all three OS's and I've been running a number of Linux binaries on FreeBSD through the Linux emulation code built in to 2.1.0. A large number of us started looking at 386BSD in the early days and switched to Linux for it's great range of hardware support. I find that both OS's are pretty much equal in hardware support. As a matter of fact -- my Thinkpad 365 ran FreeBSD2.0.5 out of the box and wouldn't install the 2.0 Red Hat release from the IDE CDROM. (The problem seems to be in the IDE CD driver and the Teac IDE drive). Red Hat's support blamed it on the "microchannel architecture" when the Thinkpad's a straight ISA bus design. I think that there's something to be said for the innovations coming out of Linux and the solid time-tested networking code in FreeBSD. With both of them the users benefit. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 22 14:52:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA25033 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from winky.reno.nv.us (winky.reno.nv.us [140.174.194.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25028 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winky.reno.nv.us (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25209; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:52:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199512222252.OAA25209@winky.reno.nv.us> X-Authentication-Warning: winky.reno.nv.us: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: ljeditor@ssc.com cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *BSD users subscription count Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:52:26 -0800 From: Eric Blood Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Phil asked for email responses if you're a *BSD user subscribing/reading >Linux Journal. I didn't see this request, but I fall under this category. I've been running FreeBSD since 1.1, and was running Linux before that. I read Linux Journal to keep track of what's going in the Linux world and also some interesting articles like the Linux/Alpha port. What is needed is a magazine that covers free operating systems in general like Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Hurd (if it ever comes out). There are many topics that are relevant to all of them. Eric Blood eblood@cs.unr.edu, http://www.cs.unr.edu/~eblood From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 23 02:23:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02313 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02307 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20623; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:22:28 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01338; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:22:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA22148; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:51:05 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230851.JAA22148@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: *BSD users subscription count To: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:51:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: ljeditor@ssc.com, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512222003.PAA25880@shell.monmouth.com> from "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" at Dec 22, 95 03:03:59 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > Her machine runs Linux, OS/2 and Novell Dos. My hacking box (386sx25) > runs either Linux (started with 99.10), FreeBSD (started with 1.02) > or NetBSD (started with 0.8). > > I am not a BSD bigot. I prefer System V init and multiple run states. > I think Linux and the two BSDs are excellent Unix systems (which are > as solid as SunOS or HP-UX). Well, so you are the ideal ones to finally make a fair comparision between both systems. (Not in Usenet, but perhaps as an article for a magazine?) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 23 07:24:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA14261 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 07:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14245 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 07:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA06307; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:23:23 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512231523.KAA06307@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: *BSD users subscription count To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:23:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512230851.JAA22148@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Dec 23, 95 09:51:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > As Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > > Her machine runs Linux, OS/2 and Novell Dos. My hacking box (386sx25) > > runs either Linux (started with 99.10), FreeBSD (started with 1.02) > > or NetBSD (started with 0.8). > > > > I am not a BSD bigot. I prefer System V init and multiple run states. > > I think Linux and the two BSDs are excellent Unix systems (which are > > as solid as SunOS or HP-UX). > > Well, so you are the ideal ones to finally make a fair comparision > between both systems. (Not in Usenet, but perhaps as an article for a > magazine?) I'd love to -- but unfortunately they're moving targets. What you say today is out of date by the time the magazine gets published. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Dec 23 17:04:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA08086 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM ([198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08017 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA23640 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:01:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:01:47 -0500 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199512240101.UAA23640@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: the new rfc Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Network Working Group B. Hancock Request for Comments: 1882 Network-1 Software and Technology, Inc. Category: Informational December 1995 The 12-Days of Technology Before Christmas Status of this Memo This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. Discussion On the first day of Christmas, technology gave to me: A database with a broken b-tree (what the hell is a b-tree anyway?) On the second day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Two transceiver failures (CRC errors? Collisions? What is going on?) And a database with a broken b-tree (Rebuild WHAT? It's a 10GB database!) On the third day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Three French users (who, of course, think they know everything) Two transceiver failures (which are now spewing packets all over the net) And a database with a broken b-tree (Backup? What backup?) On the fourth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Four calls for support (playing the same Christmas song over and over) Three French users (Why do they like to argue so much over trivial things?) Two transceiver failures (How the hell do I know which ones they are?) And a database with a broken b-tree (Pointer error? What's a pointer error?) Hancock Informational [Page 1] RFC 1882 12-Days of Technology Before Christmas December 1995 On the fifth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Five golden SCSI contacts (Of course they're better than silver!) Four support calls (Ever notice how time stands still when on hold? Three French users (No, we don't have footpedals on PC's. Why do you ask?) Two transceiver failures (If I knew which ones were bad, I would know which ones to fix!) And a database with a broken b-tree (Not till next week? Are you nuts?!?!) On the sixth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Six games a-playing (On the production network, of course!) Five golden SCSI contacts (What do you mean "not terminated!") Four support calls (No, don't transfer me again - do you HEAR? Damn!) Three French users (No, you cannot scan in by putting the page to the screen...) Two transceiver failures (I can't look at the LEDs - they're in the ceiling!) And a database with a broken b-tree (Norway? That's where this was written?) On the seventh day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Seven license failures (Expired? When?) Six games a-playing (Please stop tying up the PBX to talk to each other!) Five golden SCSI contacts (What do you mean I need "wide" SCSI?) Four support calls (At least the Muzak is different this time...) Three French Users (Well, monsieur, there really isn't an "any" key, but...) Two transceiver failures (SQE? What is that? If I knew I would set it myself!) And a database with a broken b-tree (No, I really need to talk to Lars - NOW!) Hancock Informational [Page 2] RFC 1882 12-Days of Technology Before Christmas December 1995 On the eighth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Eight MODEMs dialing (Who bought these? They're a security violation!) Seven license failures (How many WEEKS to get a license?) Six games a-playing (What do you mean one pixel per packet on updates?!?) Five golden SCSI contacts (Fast SCSI? It's supposed to be fast, isn't it?) Four support calls (I already told them that! Don't transfer me back - DAMN!) Three French users (No, CTL-ALT-DEL is not the proper way to end a program) Two transceiver failures (What do you mean "babbling transceiver"?) And a database with a broken b-tree (Does anyone speak English in Oslo?) On the ninth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Nine lady executives with attitude (She said do WHAT with the servers?) Eight MODEMs dialing (You've been downloading WHAT?) Seven license failures (We sent the P.O. two months ago!) Six games a-playing (HOW many people are doing this to the network?) Five golden SCSI contacts (What do you mean two have the same ID?) Four support calls (No, I am not at the console - I tried that already.) Three French users (No, only one floppy fits at a time? Why do you ask?) Two transceiver failures (Spare? What spare?) And a database with a broken b-tree (No, I am trying to find Lars! L-A-R-S!) Hancock Informational [Page 3] RFC 1882 12-Days of Technology Before Christmas December 1995 On the tenth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Ten SNMP alerts flashing (What is that Godawful beeping?) Nine lady executives with attitude (No, it used to be a mens room? Why?) Eight MODEMs dialing (What Internet provider? We don't allow Internet here!) Seven license failures (SPA? Why are they calling us?) Six games a-playing (No, you don't need a graphics accelerator for Lotus! ) Five golden SCSI contacts (You mean I need ANOTHER cable?) Four support calls (No, I never needed an account number before...) Three French users (When the PC sounds like a cat, it's a head crash!) Two transceiver failures (Power connection? What power connection?) And a database with a broken b-tree (Restore what index pointers?) On the eleventh day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Eleven boards a-frying (What is that terrible smell?) Ten SNMP alerts flashing (What's a MIB, anyway? What's an extension?) Nine lady executives with attitude (Mauve? Our computer room tiles in mauve?) Eight MODEMs dialing (What do you mean you let your roommate dial-in?) Seven license failures (How many other illegal copies do we have?!?!) Six games a-playing (I told you - AFTER HOURS!) Five golden SCSI contacts (If I knew what was wrong, I wouldn't be calling!) Four support calls (Put me on hold again and I will slash your credit rating!) Three French users (Don't hang your floppies with a magnet again!) Two transceiver failures (How should I know if the connector is bad?) And a database with a broken b-tree (I already did all of that!) Hancock Informational [Page 4] RFC 1882 12-Days of Technology Before Christmas December 1995 On the twelfth day of Christmas, technology gave to me: Twelve virtual pipe connections (There's only supposed to be two!) Eleven boards a-frying (What a surge suppressor supposed to do, anyway?) Ten SNMP alerts flashing (From a distance, it does kinda look like XMas lights.) Nine lady executives with attitude (What do you mean aerobics before backups?) Eight MODEMs dialing (No, we never use them to connect during business hours.) Seven license failures (We're all going to jail, I just know it.) Six games a-playing (No, no - my turn, my turn!) Five golden SCSI contacts (Great, just great! Now it won't even boot!) Four support calls (I don't have that package! How did I end up with you!) Three French users (I don't care if it is sexy, no more nude screen backgrounds!) Two transceiver failures (Maybe we should switch to token ring...) And a database with a broken b-tree (No, operator - Oslo, Norway. We were just talking and were cut off...) Security Considerations Security issues are not discussed in this memo. Author's Address Bill Hancock, Ph.D. Network-1 Software & Technology, Inc. DFW Research Center 878 Greenview Dr. Grand Prairie, TX 75050 EMail: hancock@network-1.com Phone: (214) 606-8200 Fax: (214) 606-8220 Hancock Informational [Page 5]