From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 02:10:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA18766 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 02:10:49 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA18759 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 02:10:45 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNI4ISRMGW001GFJ@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:11:07 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id LAA25906 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:16:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:16:45 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: psm0 (ps/2 mouse) To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Message-id: <199502261016.LAA25906@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I put this question a couple of days ago already but havn't go an answer yet: How is the psm driver currently handled? Has it still do be done the way it is described in the LINT kernel - the only place I found reference to psm0 in current kernel config files, btw. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 17 18:32:16 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUES i386 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 03:32:38 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA19946 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 03:32:38 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA19940 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 03:32:34 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNI7D7F3LS001GGX@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:32:54 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA26505 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:38:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:38:32 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: psm0 (ps/2 mouse) In-reply-to: from "Brian Litzinger" at Feb 26, 95 03:02:17 am To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199502261138.MAA26505@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 914 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > I put this question a couple of days ago already but havn't go an answer > > yet: > > > > How is the psm driver currently handled? Has it still do be done the > > way it is described in the LINT kernel - the only place I found > > reference to psm0 in current kernel config files, btw. > > OK, I mean do I still have to put the option ALLOW_CONFLICT_IO into my kernel config? And why is psm0 not in the GENERIC kernel? This method was known to be a kludge in 1.1.5.1 and should disappear in 2.x. Do you now understand what I mean? > I do not understand what you are asking, but would be happy to > try to answer your question if you could rephrase it. > > Brian Litzinger > brian@easynet.com > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 17 18:32:16 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUES i386 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 12:12:04 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01848 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:12:04 -0800 Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [198.68.24.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01842 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:12:02 -0800 Received: from abraxas (abraxas.mind.net [198.68.24.70]) by one.mind.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26053 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:07:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:07:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199502262007.MAA26053@one.mind.net> X-Sender: abraxas@mind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com From: abraxas@mind.net (heart of the sun) Subject: Re: src dist compile problems Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> I am running 2.0.5 which I downloaded and installed about a month ago it >> seems. I was having some problems getting perl to compile on this so I >> reasoned perhaps incorrectly that updating the os might help. I mirrored >> the src tre and installed it in /usr/FreeBSD/src and from that directory, I >> tried to do a make world. It went a way through this and couldn't find a >> bunch of things so it stopped. I have the feeling that i am doing something >> incorrectly. If someone could refer me to some docs that might help me out, >> that would be great! > >The src tree expects to be under /usr/src, so better move your old tree >under some other name and put the new tree with a symlink to /usr/src. > > Is there a collection af faqs that deal with maintaining a box running FreeBSD? If therewas, it would be a great help. Thanks, Alan From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 12:19:13 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA02184 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:19:13 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA02174 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:19:10 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id VAA01165; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:18:23 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199502262018.VAA01165@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: broken sh behaviour To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:18:22 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 931 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'd like you comment on what I think is broken in our sh: When a variable is set like: a=`command` all shells I know of, strip of trailing new-lines. Our shells doesnt which breaks Pnews (at least at our site). Reason: a sed script is evaluated and gives only empty lines to a var called moderator. This var is then checked to be empty. this check fails. I have a patch ready for this, but I'm not going to commit it when ppl dont agree on this. -Guido. Please include me in the Cc: list, as I'm not on current So, to summarize: On a Sun, we see: Script started, file is typescript guido@wzv[1] cat a guido@wzv[2] cat sh m=`cat a` guido@wzv[3] sh -x sh + cat a m= guido@wzv[4] exit Script done, file is typescript And on FreeBSD, we see: Script started, file is typescript guido@gvr[101] cat a guido@gvr[102] cat sh m=`cat a` guido@gvr[103] sh -x sh + cat a + m= guido@gvr[104] Script done, file is typescript From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 12:40:51 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA03702 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:40:51 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03696 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:40:47 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id VAA01283; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:40:00 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199502262040.VAA01283@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: broken sh behaviour (*with* patch) To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:40:00 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 349 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While we're at it, here is the patch ;-) -Guido --- /usr/src/bin/sh/expand.c.orig Sat Sep 24 04:57:34 1994 +++ /usr/src/bin/sh/expand.c Sun Feb 26 21:06:38 1995 @@ -402,8 +402,10 @@ STPUTC(lastc, dest); } } - if (lastc == '\n') { + p--; + while (lastc == '\n') { STUNPUTC(dest); + lastc = *--p; } if (in.fd >= 0) close(in.fd); From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 12:55:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA04327 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:55:56 -0800 Received: from ess.harris.com (su15a.ess.harris.com [130.41.1.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA04321 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:55:54 -0800 Received: from borg.ess.harris.com (suw2k.ess.harris.com) by ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA10254; Sun, 26 Feb 95 15:55:09 EST Received: by borg.ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03593; Sun, 26 Feb 95 15:53:14 EST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 15:53:14 EST From: jleppek@suw2k.ess.harris.com (James Leppek) Message-Id: <9502262053.AA03593@borg.ess.harris.com> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: pcvt Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I uncommented the pcvt option in the kernel config and that kernel promptly reboots with a page fault everytime. This is from current srcs (today). If I just use sco instead of vto all is well. So has anyone successfully used this? Also in usr.sbin/ppp auth.h is missing. Jim From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 14:40:26 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA09109 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:40:26 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA09090 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:40:15 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00352; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:37:40 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id XAA15662; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:37:39 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA19849; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:38:14 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199502262238.XAA19849@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: pcvt To: jleppek@suw2k.ess.harris.com (James Leppek) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:38:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9502262053.AA03593@borg.ess.harris.com> from "James Leppek" at Feb 26, 95 03:53:14 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 859 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As James Leppek wrote: > > > I uncommented the pcvt option in the kernel config > and that kernel promptly reboots with a page fault > everytime. This is from current srcs (today). If > I just use sco instead of vto all is well. So has anyone > successfully used this? pcvt is missing in cdevsw[] (in /sys/i386/i386/conf.c). I've got a partial patch yesterday, but since i nuked my src tree today on my way to CVS-current, i've lost this one. :-/ Basically, you need to re#define all the scXXXX entries to pcXXXX in case NSC == 0 && NVT > 0. Note that the resulting kernel still experienced the ``can login in the console VT only once'' symptom. I'm working on this, but don't have anything applicable yet. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 21:22:45 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA28423 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:22:45 -0800 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA28415 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:22:42 -0800 Received: from tama3 (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id OAA09929; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:18:53 +0900 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:18:53 +0900 Message-Id: <199502270518.OAA09929@specgw.spec.co.jp> To: steve@gordian.com Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ppp in 2.0-950210-SNAP In-Reply-To: <9502232026.AA10408@hermes> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQjwwZhsoSg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPV8bKEo=?= Atsushi Murai X-Mailer: AL-Mail for Windows(0.36B) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) wrotes; >Disabling the lqr and pred1 doesn't seem to help. > >I'm actually dialing into a terminal server at work that's incapable >of doing RTS/CTS and telnetting into the Sparc10 and running pppd >2.1.2 after doing "/bin/mesg n" and "stty -tostop". > >The log on the pppd 2.1.2 side doesn't show any errors: > >Feb 19 19:41:37 vulcan pppd[5444]: pppd 2.1.2 started by steve, uid 192 >Feb 19 19:41:37 vulcan pppd[5444]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttype >Feb 19 19:41:55 vulcan pppd[5444]: local IP address 192.73.220.83 >Feb 19 19:41:55 vulcan pppd[5444]: remote IP address 192.73.220.175 >Feb 19 19:47:03 vulcan pppd[5444]: Connection terminated. OK. I just update user process ppp on -development based on iij-ppp0.94beta2. You may try with them again. Also you might increase a debug level to user process ppp. It's might be say something... --------------------------- Over view ----------------------------------- New user Process PPP based on iij-ppp0.94beta2. o Supporting SYNC SIO device (But need a device driver) - add "set speed sync" o Fixing bug for Predictor-1 function. o Add new parameter that re-sent interval for set timeout commands. o Improving RTT (Round Trip Time) and reducing processor time. - Previous Timer service was using polling, and now using SIGALRM ;-) - A 0.94beta2 will not work correctly.... -- Follows are additional feature not including 0.94beta2 o Support Proxy ARP - add "enable/disable proxy" commands o Marging common routine in CHAP/PAP. o Enhancing LCP/IPCP log information. o Support local Authfication connection on port 300x and tty. - You can set up pair of your "hostname -s" and password in ppp.secret. if either ppp.secret file nor your hostname line don't exist, It will notify a message and working as same as previous version.(Backword compatibility) - If you did set up them, It's allow connection but nothing to do except help and passwd command. - add "passwd yourpasswd" commands o Support afilter - keep Alive filter that a packet can send/receiving according to ifilter/ofilter but doesn't count it as preventing idle timer expires. - Same syntax of other filters. o Fixing bugs reported by current user for previous one. Thanks !! >Your help is much appreciated. Good Luck. >SEK Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 22:19:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA01857 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:19:48 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA01848 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:19:42 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA24597 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:18:54 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199502270618.WAA24597@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:18:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1712 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any YP NIS people care to comment ? Forwarded message: > From clary@elec.uq.oz.au Sun Feb 26 16:10:04 1995 > From: clary@elec.uq.oz.au (Clary Harridge) > Message-Id: <9502270009.AA19763@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> > Subject: Re: Disappearing root file system > To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:09:23 +1000 (EST) > In-Reply-To: <199502240745.XAA12715@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Feb 23, 95 11:45:09 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 977 > > > > > Hmm, > > > > could it be that some process (YP ?) has one of the /etc/*.db files > > open while the passwd gets changed ? > > (Just guessing here...) > > Strange you should say that Poul as I have seen yp type messages which I could > not explain. I am only running > > vipw => to add a user line > and > /usr/bin/passwd $name => to set a passwd > > so would not expect yppasswd to run. This would appear to be incorrect > behaviour if it does. > > I am not running any yp daemons. > > Is vipw or passwd somehow capable of trying to start yppasswd? > > I seem to lose about 300-400 blocks on / each time I run vipw + passwd. > > It seems that maybe the temporary file is unlinked but not finally removed. > > > > What does fsck tell you about the files ? > > > I will let you know later > > Thanks for your suggestions! > -- > regards Dept. of Electrical Engineering, > Clary Harridge University of Queensland, QLD, Australia, 4072 > Phone: +61-7-365-3636 Fax: +61-7-365-4999 > INTERNET: clary@elec.uq.oz.au > -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 22:45:58 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA03047 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:45:58 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA03037 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:45:53 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNJBN1GVA8001HDV@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:46:09 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id HAA29424 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:51:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:51:46 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: my system has slowed down To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Message-id: <199502270651.HAA29424@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Somewhere in the time between Feb 17th and today my two daily world builds stopped from working. Up to then I started world build at 7 a.m. and had finished about 5 p.m. After that I built a kernel and rebooted the system. This all was steered by cron. In the past days this suddenly stopped working. The kernel build was done in midst of the (still running) world build and thus the world build never finished. But I see a noticeable slow down in compiles. The machine is a 486-DX2/66 with 32MB of memory and two IDE Quantum Maverick 540 MB drives. I cannot image that some addition to the source tree caused such a tremendous increase in build time >12 hours (compared to 10 before). What else could be the cause for this? (fragmentation?) --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 23:16:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA04889 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:16:12 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA04880 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:16:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA10983; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:15:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199502270715.XAA10983@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: my system has slowed down In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:51:46 +0100." <199502270651.HAA29424@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:15:13 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Somewhere in the time between Feb 17th and today my two daily world builds >stopped from working. Up to then I started world build at 7 a.m. and had >finished about 5 p.m. After that I built a kernel and rebooted the system. >This all was steered by cron. In the past days this suddenly stopped >working. The kernel build was done in midst of the (still running) world >build and thus the world build never finished. > >But I see a noticeable slow down in compiles. The machine is a 486-DX2/66 >with 32MB of memory and two IDE Quantum Maverick 540 MB drives. > >I cannot image that some addition to the source tree caused such a tremendous >increase in build time >12 hours (compared to 10 before). What else could >be the cause for this? (fragmentation?) > >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 >20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 There is a current problem with caching filesystem meta-data that is hampering performance. John Dyson is working on a fix. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 23:37:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA06364 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:37:25 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA06355 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:37:22 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNJDFQ229C001GU7@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:37:31 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id IAA29616 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:43:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:43:07 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: swap_pager errors (something to worry about?) To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Message-id: <199502270743.IAA29616@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From my /var/log: I/O to empty block???? swap_pager: I/O error - async pageout failed; blkno 4294967295, size 4096, error 22 swap_pager_finish: I/O error, clean of page 1a37000 failed These messages appear spuriously once per day. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 26 23:53:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA07714 for current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:53:27 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA07688 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:53:09 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08057; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:50:17 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id IAA18339 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:50:17 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA25342 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:44:53 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199502270744.IAA25342@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Cron (cd /usr/src; cvs update -d) (fwd) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:44:53 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 750 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any known CVS problems? My cvs binaries are still 950210-SNAP, and i've got this one tonite: As Cron Daemon wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 02:30:01 +0100 > Message-Id: <199502270130.CAA20408@uriah.heep.sax.de> > From: root (Cron Daemon) > To: j > Subject: Cron (cd /usr/src; cvs update -d) > > cvs update: Updating . [Many things went fine...] > cvs update: Updating include/rpcsvc > U include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x > cvs update: Updating lib > cvs update: Updating lib/csu > cvs update: Updating lib/csu/i386 > cvs update: Updating lib/libF77 > Memory fault - core dumped > -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 00:14:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA08731 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:14:48 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA08679; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:13:56 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA25013; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:13:10 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199502270813.AAA25013@ref.tfs.com> Subject: CTM, now you can have at it... To: phk@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:13:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4665 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk CTM is now finally in a state where I will publicly announce it, so here goes. This is the ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/pub/CTM/README file: # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 42): # wrote this file. As long as you retain this notice you # can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some day, and you think # this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return. Poul-Henning Kamp # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Mon Feb 27 00:06:22 PST 1995 # Obtaining FreeBSD-current sources using CTM. ============================================ CTM is a method to keep a remote directory-tree in sync with a central one. It has been developed for FreeBSD usage, but other people might use it as time goes by, but little if any documentations exists on this time on the process of creating deltas. Why should I use CTM ? ---------------------- CTM will give you a local copy of the "FreeBSD-current" sources. If you are an active developer on FreeBSD, but have lousy or non-existent TCP/IP connectivity, CTM is made for you. You will need to pick up up to four deltas per day (or you can have them arrive in email automatically) and sizes are as small as we can do it: typically less than 5K, one delta in ten is like 10-50K and every now and then a biggie of 100K+ comes around. You need to make yourself aware of the caveats of following the "current" sources, refer to the relevant FAQ for more info on that topic. Only if you have commit priviledge, or are similary authorized, can you get access to the cvs tree by the same means. Contact phk@FreeBSD.org for that. What do I need to use CTM ? --------------------------- You need two things. The "ctm" program and the stuff to feed it. "ctm" is in the FreeBSD-current tree from version 2.0.0 and forward. (src/usr.sbin/ctm) The "deltas" you feed ctm can be had two ways, ftp or email. FTP-access: ----------- The CTM-deltas can be found on the following sites: ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/pub/CTM eMail-access: ------------- Send email to majordomo@freebsd.org, subscribe to the list "ctm-src-cur". Use the ctm_rmail program to unpack and apply the emails with. You can actually use the ctm_rmail program directly from a entry in /etc/aliases if you want. Check the "ctm_rmail" man page. How to get started. ------------------- You need to get up to speed. Every now and then I will produce a special additional delta: a delta from nothing. You can recognize these in two ways, the are large: 25 to 30 Megabytes gzip'ed, and they have an 'A' appended to the number. (src-cur.0341A.gz for instance). You will also need all deltas with higher numbers. Now working... -------------- To apply the deltas, simply say cd /where/ever/you/want/the/stuff ctm -v -v /where/you/store/your/deltas/src-cur.* Unless it feels very secure about the entire thing, ctm will not touch your tree. To check out a delta you can add a "-c", then ctm will never touch you tree. There are other options to ctm as well, look in the sources. It's a little bit confusing right now, but it will become better I hope. I would be very happy if somebody will help with the "user-interface" part, as I have realized that I can't make up my mind on what options should do what, how and when... ctm understands deltas which have been put through gzip, so you don't need to gunzip them first. That's really all there is to it. Everytime you get a new delta, you run it through ctm. Don't remove the deltas, if they are hard to download again. You just might want to keep them around in case something bad happens. Even if you only have floppy disks, consider using "fdwrite" to make a copy. Plans: ------ Tons of them. Don't forget to tell me what you want though... Misc. stuff: ------------ If you are a frequent or valuable contributor to FreeBSD, I will be willing to arrange special services, one option is delivery via ftp or rcp to a machine closer to you. You need to have earned this, since it takes time to do, but I'll be all the more happy to do it for you then. Thanks! ------- Bruce Evans, for his pointed pen and invaluable comments. Soren Schmidt, for patience. Stephen McKay, wrote ctm_[rs]mail, much appreceiated. Jordan Hubbard, for being so stubborn that I had to make it better. All the users, I hope you like it... Comments ? ---------- email phk@FreeBSD.org Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 00:24:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA09166 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:24:49 -0800 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA09152 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:24:44 -0800 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA10276 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:23:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199502270823.JAA10276@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: kernel problem Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:23:54 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had a lot of problems using current - 1 day and current - 2 days kernels (other stuff is current - 2 days). page fault while in kernel mode trap 12 The problem seems to be in vm_page.o (according to ip and nm /kernel), sorry no more information, I forgot to take my notes with me this morning. I also noticed that some processes are dying. Such processes are reported as D using ps (when ps returns) and stop running. All the system can hang after about 3 hours under X or console or very shortly after login under console --> red button. Under console, when a process hangs, I can switch to another terminal, enter root and return, this hang the second terminal (no successful login, Ctrl-C just write ^C) switching to a third terminal show that all the system is dead. I removed procfs in /etc/fstab, It looks better but not enough. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 00:45:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA10394 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:45:29 -0800 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10386 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 00:45:27 -0800 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA10637 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:44:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199502270844.JAA10637@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Ctrl- under console Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:44:36 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I can not have Ctrl- working under console. It is useful for emacs. It works under xterm (unsetenv DISPLAY, TERM=xterm, TERMCAP=xterm) and under rxvt (unsetenv DISPLAY, TERM=xterm, TERMCAP=cons25). Any idea will be appreciated, thanks. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 01:24:35 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA12218 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 01:24:35 -0800 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA12188 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 01:23:55 -0800 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00310; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:01:09 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199502270901.LAA00310@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: my system has slowed down To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:01:08 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199502270651.HAA29424@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Feb 27, 95 07:51:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1179 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Somewhere in the time between Feb 17th and today my two daily world builds > stopped from working. Up to then I started world build at 7 a.m. and had > finished about 5 p.m. After that I built a kernel and rebooted the system. > This all was steered by cron. In the past days this suddenly stopped > working. The kernel build was done in midst of the (still running) world > build and thus the world build never finished. > > But I see a noticeable slow down in compiles. The machine is a 486-DX2/66 > with 32MB of memory and two IDE Quantum Maverick 540 MB drives. > > I cannot image that some addition to the source tree caused such a tremendous > increase in build time >12 hours (compared to 10 before). What else could > be the cause for this? (fragmentation?) > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 > 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 > I don't think it is fragmentation, because I am also seeing it. The disk seems to be very busy, even after the patch to vfs_bio.c from John Dyson. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 03:17:23 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA18978 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 03:17:23 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA18955 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 03:17:08 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNJL1UPXOW001I7L@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:15:24 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA29979; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:20:54 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:20:54 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: my system has slowed down In-reply-to: <199502270901.LAA00310@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from "John Hay" at Feb 27, 95 11:01:08 am To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199502271120.MAA29979@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 1462 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > Somewhere in the time between Feb 17th and today my two daily world builds > > stopped from working. Up to then I started world build at 7 a.m. and had > > finished about 5 p.m. After that I built a kernel and rebooted the system. > > This all was steered by cron. In the past days this suddenly stopped > > working. The kernel build was done in midst of the (still running) world > > build and thus the world build never finished. > > > > But I see a noticeable slow down in compiles. The machine is a 486-DX2/66 > > with 32MB of memory and two IDE Quantum Maverick 540 MB drives. > > > > I cannot image that some addition to the source tree caused such a tremendous > > increase in build time >12 hours (compared to 10 before). What else could > > be the cause for this? (fragmentation?) > > > I don't think it is fragmentation, because I am also seeing it. The disk seems > to be very busy, even after the patch to vfs_bio.c from John Dyson. ...disk seems very busy.. That's what I'm also seeing. It's so busy that it looks like the system is paging more than usual. And (from top) I see that there is only half of the 32MB in use (17-18MB free) if I interpret the top figures right. > > -- > John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 03:19:23 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA19092 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 03:19:23 -0800 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA19066 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 03:19:01 -0800 Received: from kmd-ac.dk by dkuug.dk with UUCP id AA29298 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for FreeBSD.org!current); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:17:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199502271117.AA29298@dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: Ctrl- under console To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:19:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Soeren Schmidt" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199502270844.JAA10637@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at Feb 27, 95 09:44:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 512 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Philippe Charnier who wrote: > > Hello, > > I can not have Ctrl- working under console. It is useful for emacs. > It works under xterm (unsetenv DISPLAY, TERM=xterm, TERMCAP=xterm) and under > rxvt (unsetenv DISPLAY, TERM=xterm, TERMCAP=cons25). > > Any idea will be appreciated, thanks. What do you want Ctrl- to generate ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@kmd-ac.dk) FreeBSD Core Team .. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 05:00:45 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA22672 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 05:00:45 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA22661 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 05:00:40 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28727 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:59:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 14:43:58 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: ftp shows directories To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How about a small patch to fto client which will show all smart characters ppl can use in directory/file names in more visible form like ^C,^V and others...any objections? -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 07:35:43 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA27137 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:35:43 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA27131 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:35:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA12283; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:32:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199502271532.HAA12283@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: John Hay cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies), freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: my system has slowed down In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Feb 1995 11:01:08 +0200." <199502270901.LAA00310@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:32:46 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> >> Somewhere in the time between Feb 17th and today my two daily world builds >> stopped from working. Up to then I started world build at 7 a.m. and had >> finished about 5 p.m. After that I built a kernel and rebooted the system. >> This all was steered by cron. In the past days this suddenly stopped >> working. The kernel build was done in midst of the (still running) world >> build and thus the world build never finished. >> >> But I see a noticeable slow down in compiles. The machine is a 486-DX2/66 >> with 32MB of memory and two IDE Quantum Maverick 540 MB drives. >> >> I cannot image that some addition to the source tree caused such a tremendou >s >> increase in build time >12 hours (compared to 10 before). What else could >> be the cause for this? (fragmentation?) >> >> --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >> FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 >> 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 >> > >I don't think it is fragmentation, because I am also seeing it. The disk seems >to be very busy, even after the patch to vfs_bio.c from John Dyson. > >-- >John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za John's first patch only made things slightly better. A more thorough fix is on the way. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 07:41:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA27312 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:41:27 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.142.36]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA27247 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:38:49 -0800 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA01036 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:30:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:30:44 +0100 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199502271430.PAA01036@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: faking reply-to field Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Someone mentioned it was easy to hack sendmail.cf to fake one's reply-to: field to appear as one up-link ip-provider hostname, rather than one's intermittent slip name ... so .. how to do it please ? I want to fake jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de to become jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de & i dont want to do it with xmh, as i use `mail', & am no emacs fan I had started on a hack to `mail' but got waylaid. --- Julian Stacey , Intermittent SL/IP: From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 08:12:50 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA27874 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:12:50 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27866 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:12:45 -0800 Received: (dyson@localhost) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) id IAA17590; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:11:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:11:30 -0800 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199502271611.IAA17590@Root.COM> To: gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za Subject: Re: my system has slowed down Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am going to do everything to solve the "chatter" bug tonite. It will NOT be in the next snapshot... It is one of those problems that will become obvious when it is found. It appears to be a buffer management problem and on the surface to be a problem with the code that chooses lru or vmio buffers to reuse. John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 08:39:57 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA28467 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:39:57 -0800 Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (root@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA28461 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:39:56 -0800 From: patl@asimov.lashley.slip.netcom.com Received: from lashley.slip.netcom.com by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA29156; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:38:48 -0800 Received: by lashley.slip.netcom.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08037; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:41:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:41:38 -0800 Message-Id: <9502271641.AA08037@lashley.slip.netcom.com> To: charnier@lirmm.fr, sos@kmd-ac.dk Subject: Re: Ctrl- under console Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: lashley@netcom.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |> > I can not have Ctrl- working under console. It is useful for emacs. |> > It works under xterm (unsetenv DISPLAY, TERM=xterm, TERMCAP=xterm) and under |> > rxvt (unsetenv DISPLAY, TERM=xterm, TERMCAP=cons25). |> > |> > Any idea will be appreciated, thanks. |> |> What do you want Ctrl- to generate ?? Traditionally, emacs expects it to produce a NUL. (It is -much- easier to type than CTRL-SHIFT-@ when you want to do a set-mark-command.) -Pat From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 09:52:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA00176 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:52:52 -0800 Received: from dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.28.40]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00169 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:52:45 -0800 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA00566; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:44:04 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199502271744.TAA00566@dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: faking reply-to field To: jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:44:02 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199502271430.PAA01036@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Feb 27, 95 03:30:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 817 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Someone mentioned it was easy to hack sendmail.cf to fake one's reply-to: > field to appear as one up-link ip-provider hostname, rather than one's > intermittent slip name ... so .. how to do it please ? > > I want to fake > jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de > to become > jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de > & i dont want to do it with xmh, as i use `mail', & am no emacs fan > > I had started on a hack to `mail' but got waylaid. > --- > Julian Stacey , > Intermittent SL/IP: > Just change the line DM from: # who I masquerade as (can be $j) DM$j to something like this: # who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) DMmikom.csir.co.za -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 12:47:08 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA05325 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:47:08 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05319 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:47:01 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA18058; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:41:57 +1100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:41:57 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199502272041.HAA18058@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Any YP NIS people care to comment ? >> > could it be that some process (YP ?) has one of the /etc/*.db files >> > open while the passwd gets changed ? >> > (Just guessing here...) >> ... >> I seem to lose about 300-400 blocks on / each time I run vipw + passwd. >> >> It seems that maybe the temporary file is unlinked but not finally removed. >> > >> > What does fsck tell you about the files ? fsck tells me that vipw unlinks the previous copies pwd.db and spwd.db. fstat tells me that nothing normally has these files open before or after! ktrace tells me that vipw and its descendants aren't doing anything special to the database files. I'm not running YP or non-default encryption. The problem is easy to duplicate - just run vipw and change something. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 13:07:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA05840 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:07:36 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA05830; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:07:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:07:33 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199502272107.NAA05830@freefall.cdrom.com> To: current Subject: new scsi stuff.. Cc: dufault Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's the time-table on putting this stuff in? Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 13:09:10 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA05891 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:09:10 -0800 Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (root@starbase.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA05884 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:08:57 -0800 Received: from metal.ops.neosoft.com (root@glenn-slip42.nmt.edu [129.138.5.142]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA19268; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:08:03 -0600 X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 684-5969 Received: (from smace@localhost) by metal.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA05610; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:07:58 -0700 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199502272107.OAA05610@metal.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: faking reply-to field To: jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:07:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199502271430.PAA01036@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Feb 27, 95 03:30:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 549 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Someone mentioned it was easy to hack sendmail.cf to fake one's reply-to: > field to appear as one up-link ip-provider hostname, rather than one's > intermittent slip name ... so .. how to do it please ? > > I want to fake > jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de > to become > jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de > & i dont want to do it with xmh, as i use `mail', & am no emacs fan > > I had started on a hack to `mail' but got waylaid. use the sendmail -f parameter, it will change the "From:" line to whatever you want... Scott From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 13:23:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA06329 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:23:29 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06323 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:23:26 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA26923; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:22:22 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199502272122.NAA26923@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:22:22 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199502272041.HAA18058@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 28, 95 07:41:57 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1012 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Any YP NIS people care to comment ? > > >> > could it be that some process (YP ?) has one of the /etc/*.db files > >> > open while the passwd gets changed ? > >> > (Just guessing here...) > >> ... > >> I seem to lose about 300-400 blocks on / each time I run vipw + passwd. > >> > >> It seems that maybe the temporary file is unlinked but not finally removed. > >> > > >> > What does fsck tell you about the files ? > > fsck tells me that vipw unlinks the previous copies pwd.db and spwd.db. > fstat tells me that nothing normally has these files open before or after! > ktrace tells me that vipw and its descendants aren't doing anything > special to the database files. > > I'm not running YP or non-default encryption. The problem is easy to > duplicate - just run vipw and change something. I see it too. Are you saying that unlink(2) doesn't really work ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 14:00:33 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA08091 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:00:33 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08083; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:00:29 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id QAA00710; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:57:43 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199502272157.QAA00710@hda.com> Subject: Re: new scsi stuff.. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:57:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com, dufault@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199502272107.NAA05830@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 27, 95 01:07:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 652 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > What's the time-table on putting this stuff in? Tomorrow AM? I've spent some time testing and haven't found any problems lately. I don't want to hear about someone's disks being mounted in the wrong place. The changer will be completely untested. Everyone will have to rebuild config. The symptom as usual will be undefined tables such as scsi_tinit, scsi_cinit etc. If anything comes up and I'm not putting it in I'll post to the list. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 14:47:06 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA10910 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:47:06 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA10897 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:46:50 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA20795; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:43:41 +1100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:43:41 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199502272243.JAA20795@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I see it too. Are you saying that unlink(2) doesn't really work ? rename(2) doesn't really work: touch x y; mv x y leaves the previous inode of y unreferenced! Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 14:57:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12100 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:57:27 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA12078 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:57:23 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA19681 ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:55:15 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16995; Mon, 27 Feb 95 23:56:17 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9502272256.AA16995@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:56:16 +0100 (MET) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@ref.tfs.com, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199502272243.JAA20795@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 28, 95 09:43:41 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#375 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 973 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I see it too. Are you saying that unlink(2) doesn't really work ? > > rename(2) doesn't really work: > > touch x y; mv x y > > leaves the previous inode of y unreferenced! Another sympthom is : do a make install in sbin/bin/lkm with not enough space on it to contain all the / executables and two kernels (that is my current situation, my root partition size is inherited from my 1.1.5.1 setup and is only 12 MB). At some point it will say "No space left on device" and all the binaries that were not installed take space till the next fsck :-( Easely reproductible here. That's the main reason I've never been able to complete any 2.* "make world" :-((( I don't have the DAT/Exabyte yet that would enable me to backup everything and reinstall so I must wait for some decent backup device or buy a new hard drive... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #9: Sat Feb 18 19:21:00 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 15:46:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA22833 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:46:25 -0800 Received: from irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA22824 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:46:18 -0800 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA17365; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:45:05 -0500 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199502272345.SAA17365@irbs.com> Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:45:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-current) In-Reply-To: <9502272256.AA16995@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Feb 27, 95 11:56:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1353 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert writes: > > > >I see it too. Are you saying that unlink(2) doesn't really work ? > > > > rename(2) doesn't really work: > > > > touch x y; mv x y > > > > leaves the previous inode of y unreferenced! > > Another sympthom is : do a make install in sbin/bin/lkm with not enough > space on it to contain all the / executables and two kernels (that is my > current situation, my root partition size is inherited from my 1.1.5.1 > setup and is only 12 MB). > > At some point it will say "No space left on device" and all the binaries > that were not installed take space till the next fsck :-( > > Easely reproductible here. That's the main reason I've never been able to > complete any 2.* "make world" :-((( I don't have the DAT/Exabyte yet that > would enable me to backup everything and reinstall so I must wait for > some decent backup device or buy a new hard drive... > I have had this problem with a small news partition for months. irbs 1# df /news Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0g 30159 28305 1854 94% /news irbs 2# umount /news irbs 3# mount /news irbs 4# df /news Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0g 30159 25964 4195 86% /news I suspect if you could unmount root the missing space would appear again. John From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 16:16:10 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA23854 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:16:10 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA23848 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:16:05 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04156; Mon, 27 Feb 95 17:08:46 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9502280008.AA04156@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 17:08:45 MST Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com In-Reply-To: <199502272041.HAA18058@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 28, 95 07:41:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > fsck tells me that vipw unlinks the previous copies pwd.db and spwd.db. > fstat tells me that nothing normally has these files open before or after! > ktrace tells me that vipw and its descendants aren't doing anything > special to the database files. > > I'm not running YP or non-default encryption. The problem is easy to > duplicate - just run vipw and change something. Apparently the cache changes mean that they aren't LRU'ed out. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 16:18:00 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA23948 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:18:00 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23885; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:16:27 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA27711; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:15:38 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199502280015.QAA27711@ref.tfs.com> Subject: CTM, delta from 2.0-RELEASE available To: phk@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:15:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 463 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have made a delta from the 2.0-RELEASE srcdist available in ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/pub/CTM/src-cur/src-cur.0372R20.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 phk wheel 4034596 Feb 27 15:37 src-cur.0372R20.gz If you already have the 2.0-RELEASE (either on CDROM or downloaded) you can use this to get in sync with CTM src-cur. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 16:25:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA24341 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:25:48 -0800 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA24332; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 01:25:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 01:25:45 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Message-Id: <199502280025.BAA24332@freefall.cdrom.com> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Datapump-Lite Pricing Reply-To: jhs@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Re. The Datapump ISDN card availability enquiries: I told Manufacturer (with whom I have a financial relationship) that this list was a good place to give a developer's discount to, & that he should unbundle his pricing, removing unwanted DOS software. I have negotiated this : I can offer until the end of March only the Datapump-Lite versions V.120, PPP and V.22bis and fax 64Kbps working at DM 405,00 (No software supplied) This offer is only for orders received before March 31st. In accordance with Manufacturers requirement: Priority must be given to those who have software ideas or can promote the product. Thus I am mailing this just to current, not hackers. I have a standard info. pack available, request it privately, not on mail list, if requested I could put it in freefall.cdrom.com:~jhs There's about 1.7 DM / $US, & about 2.3something DM /UK Pound Sterling Julian Stacey Tel. +49 89 268616 Timezone GMT+1 Munich, Germany. From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 16:27:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA24395 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:27:29 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA24384 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:27:14 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA22751; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:21:27 +1100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:21:27 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199502280021.LAA22751@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Another sympthom is : do a make install in sbin/bin/lkm with not enough >space on it to contain all the / executables and two kernels (that is my >current situation, my root partition size is inherited from my 1.1.5.1 >setup and is only 12 MB). I think this is a different problem. Some libraries (libc...) are in use. It isn't open, but it is mmapped. >At some point it will say "No space left on device" and all the binaries >that were not installed take space till the next fsck :-( The usual point is for libc. Install should be more careful about disk- full errors. It unlink()s the target so it has no way to recover from disk-full errors. Perhaps it should copy the source to the target file system and then use unlink() and rename(). Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 17:11:50 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA25763 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:11:50 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25751; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:11:44 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA23667; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:08:50 +1100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:08:50 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199502280108.MAA23667@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, dyson@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> fsck tells me that vipw unlinks the previous copies pwd.db and spwd.db. >> ... >Apparently the cache changes mean that they aren't LRU'ed out. I think there needs to be a vnode_pager_uncache() in rename or in all xxx_rename()s. vp->v_usecount is normally 2 after namei(), one reference for the lookup and one for the object cache (?). The vnode_pager_uncache() call in unlink() normally decreases vp->v_usecount from 2 to 1. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 17:17:11 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA25896 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:17:11 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25889 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:17:08 -0800 Received: (dyson@localhost) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) id RAA19736; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:15:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:15:45 -0800 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199502280115.RAA19736@Root.COM> To: bde@zeta.org.au, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have the fix in DG's hands, it was just a missing call to the VM system.... Sorry... John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 27 18:24:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA27233 for current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:24:14 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA27222 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:24:00 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00789; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:53:37 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id WAA23618; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:53:36 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA27371; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:46:23 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199502272146.WAA27371@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Ctrl- under console To: lashley@netcom.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:46:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) In-Reply-To: <9502271641.AA08037@lashley.slip.netcom.com> from "patl@asimov.lashley.slip.netcom.com" at Feb 27, 95 08:41:38 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1176 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As patl@asimov.lashley.slip.netcom.com wrote: > > |> What do you want Ctrl- to generate ?? > > Traditionally, emacs expects it to produce a NUL. (It is -much- easier > to type than CTRL-SHIFT-@ when you want to do a set-mark-command.) It's not only emacs, it's just tradition (any DEC terminal does it this way). I think syscons doesn't try emulating DEC, hence it's not the standard there. As far as i understood syscons keympas, it should be fairly easy to modify the keymap for this, however. Since we are at the subject, i'm always being bothered by this $%&@ing ^H cruft generated by the backspace key. Is there anyone out there who is REALLY HOT to continue this? (Except that i know it's SCO style.) Or can we just go back to the BSD tradition of having this key generate DEL? Our half of the world simply expects the DEL key, and it's evil to always need an stty command. (No, don't tell me that i can use ***control to change this -- i'm speaking of things like boot disks and single-user shells here.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 11:51:30 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00686 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:51:30 -0800 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00668 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:51:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA18126; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:27:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199502281827.LAA18126@rover.village.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Ctrl- under console Cc: lashley@netcom.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:46:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:27:35 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : Since we are at the subject, i'm always being bothered by this $%&@ing : ^H cruft generated by the backspace key. This always burns me when I do an upgrade, or boot in single user mode. However, I just remap it to be DEL and I'm happy. /usr/sbin/kbdcontrol -l /etc/keymap.sys -r fast where /etc/keymap.sys is the file I've appended. BTW, do I need the whole file, or just the relevant lines. Oh, it also swaps Control and CAPS LOCK and ~` and ESCAPE, so you might not want to blindly apply it (then again, if you've been around unixy keyboards for long, you might :-) Also, I've noticed a bunch of cruft on the console when I use emacs there. Anybody else seen it? Warner # alt # scan cntrl alt alt cntrl lock # code base shift cntrl shift alt shift cntrl shift state # ------------------------------------------------------------------ 000 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 001 '`' '~' nop nop '`' '~' nop nop O 002 '1' '!' nop nop '1' '!' nop nop O 003 '2' '@' nul nul '2' '@' nul nul O 004 '3' '#' nop nop '3' '#' nop nop O 005 '4' '$' nop nop '4' '$' nop nop O 006 '5' '%' nop nop '5' '%' nop nop O 007 '6' '^' rs rs '6' '^' rs rs O 008 '7' '&' nop nop '7' '&' nop nop O 009 '8' '*' nop nop '8' '*' nop nop O 010 '9' '(' nop nop '9' '(' nop nop O 011 '0' ')' nop nop '0' ')' nop nop O 012 '-' '_' ns ns '-' '_' ns ns O 013 '=' '+' nop nop '=' '+' nop nop O 014 del del bs bs del del bs bs O 015 ht btab nop nop ht btab nop nop O 016 'q' 'Q' dc1 dc1 'q' 'Q' dc1 dc1 C 017 'w' 'W' etb etb 'w' 'W' etb etb C 018 'e' 'E' enq enq 'e' 'E' enq enq C 019 'r' 'R' dc2 dc2 'r' 'R' dc2 dc2 C 020 't' 'T' dc4 dc4 't' 'T' dc4 dc4 C 021 'y' 'Y' em em 'y' 'Y' em em C 022 'u' 'U' nak nak 'u' 'U' nak nak C 023 'i' 'I' ht ht 'i' 'I' ht ht C 024 'o' 'O' si si 'o' 'O' si si C 025 'p' 'P' dle dle 'p' 'P' dle dle C 026 '[' '{' esc esc '[' '{' esc esc O 027 ']' '}' gs gs ']' '}' gs gs O 028 cr cr nl nl cr cr nl nl O 029 clock clock clock clock clock clock clock clock O 030 'a' 'A' soh soh 'a' 'A' soh soh C 031 's' 'S' dc3 dc3 's' 'S' dc3 dc3 C 032 'd' 'D' eot eot 'd' 'D' eot eot C 033 'f' 'F' ack ack 'f' 'F' ack ack C 034 'g' 'G' bel bel 'g' 'G' bel bel C 035 'h' 'H' bs bs 'h' 'H' bs bs C 036 'j' 'J' nl nl 'j' 'J' nl nl C 037 'k' 'K' vt vt 'k' 'K' vt vt C 038 'l' 'L' ff ff 'l' 'L' ff ff C 039 ';' ':' nop nop ';' ':' nop nop O 040 ''' '"' nop nop ''' '"' nop nop O 041 esc esc nop nop esc esc nop nop O 042 lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift O 043 '\' '|' fs fs '\' '|' fs fs O 044 'z' 'Z' sub sub 'z' 'Z' sub sub C 045 'x' 'X' can can 'x' 'X' can can C 046 'c' 'C' etx etx 'c' 'C' etx etx C 047 'v' 'V' syn syn 'v' 'V' syn syn C 048 'b' 'B' stx stx 'b' 'B' stx stx C 049 'n' 'N' so so 'n' 'N' so so C 050 'm' 'M' cr cr 'm' 'M' cr cr C 051 ',' '<' nop nop ',' '<' nop nop O 052 '.' '>' nop nop '.' '>' nop nop O 053 '/' '?' nop nop '/' '?' nop nop O 054 rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift O 055 '*' '*' nscr nscr '*' '*' nscr nscr O 056 lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt O 057 ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' O 058 lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl O 059 fkey01 fkey13 fkey25 fkey37 scr01 scr11 scr01 scr11 O 060 fkey02 fkey14 fkey26 fkey38 scr02 scr12 scr02 scr12 O 061 fkey03 fkey15 fkey27 fkey39 scr03 scr13 scr03 scr13 O 062 fkey04 fkey16 fkey28 fkey40 scr04 scr14 scr04 scr14 O 063 fkey05 fkey17 fkey29 fkey41 scr05 scr15 scr05 scr15 O 064 fkey06 fkey18 fkey30 fkey42 scr06 scr16 scr06 scr16 O 065 fkey07 fkey19 fkey31 fkey43 scr07 scr07 scr07 scr07 O 066 fkey08 fkey20 fkey32 fkey44 scr08 scr08 scr08 scr08 O 067 fkey09 fkey21 fkey33 fkey45 scr09 scr09 scr09 scr09 O 068 fkey10 fkey22 fkey34 fkey46 scr10 scr10 scr10 scr10 O 069 nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock O 070 slock slock slock slock slock slock slock slock O 071 fkey49 '7' '7' '7' '7' '7' '7' '7' N 072 fkey50 '8' '8' '8' '8' '8' '8' '8' N 073 fkey51 '9' '9' '9' '9' '9' '9' '9' N 074 fkey52 '-' '-' '-' '-' '-' '-' '-' N 075 fkey53 '4' '4' '4' '4' '4' '4' '4' N 076 fkey54 '5' '5' '5' '5' '5' '5' '5' N 077 fkey55 '6' '6' '6' '6' '6' '6' '6' N 078 fkey56 '+' '+' '+' '+' '+' '+' '+' N 079 fkey57 '1' '1' '1' '1' '1' '1' '1' N 080 fkey58 '2' '2' '2' '2' '2' '2' '2' N 081 fkey59 '3' '3' '3' '3' '3' '3' '3' N 082 fkey60 '0' '0' '0' '0' '0' '0' '0' N 083 del '.' del del del del del del N 084 ns ns ns ns ns ns ns ns O 085 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 086 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 087 fkey11 fkey23 fkey35 fkey47 scr11 scr11 scr11 scr11 O 088 fkey12 fkey24 fkey36 fkey48 scr12 scr12 scr12 scr12 O 089 scr03 scr03 scr03 scr03 scr03 scr03 scr03 scr03 N 090 rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl O 091 '/' '/' '/' '/' '/' '/' '/' '/' N 092 nscr nop debug nop nop nop nop nop O 093 ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt O 094 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 O 095 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 O 096 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 O 097 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 O 098 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 O 099 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 O 100 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 O 101 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 O 102 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 O 103 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 boot fkey54 O 104 slock slock slock slock slock slock slock slock O From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 11:54:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00789 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:54:03 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00780; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:54:00 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id HAA03956; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:02:19 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199502281202.HAA03956@hda.com> Subject: Re: new scsi stuff.. To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:02:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, current@freefall.cdrom.com, dufault@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199502272157.QAA00710@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Feb 27, 95 04:57:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 472 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Dufault writes: > > Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > > What's the time-table on putting this stuff in? > (...) > > If anything comes up and I'm not putting it in I'll post to the > list. > Freefall is down. The only time I can work on this is in the AM, so that is it until tomorrow. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 11:55:10 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00841 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:55:10 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00833 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:55:07 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id KAA23858 ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:25:22 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18866; Tue, 28 Feb 95 10:26:22 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9502280926.AA18866@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Disappearing space in root fs. To: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:26:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199502272345.SAA17365@irbs.com> from "John Capo" at Feb 27, 95 06:45:02 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#407 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 411 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I suspect if you could unmount root the missing space would appear > again. Yeah, I've seen it too. The next time I reboot (somewhat often when one is -current) I get it back. But sometimes it is hard when you get sh: Permission denied and your sh is hosed :-( -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #14: Sun Feb 26 16:31:40 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 12:11:40 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01484 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:11:40 -0800 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA01472 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:11:21 -0800 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA26635; Tue, 28 Feb 95 02:32:23 -0800 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0rjPDe-0005OqC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 11:31 MEZ Message-Id: To: current%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Subject: Herc MGA and no cursor... Reply-To: gj@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 10:31:54 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk with a kernel from sources mirror'd yesterday the Herc MGA cursor has disappeared again :( Gary J. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 12:52:17 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA05317 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:17 -0800 Received: from pelican.pelican.com (pelican.com [134.24.4.62]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA05294 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:11 -0800 Received: by pelican.pelican.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rjYtq-000K2vC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 12:52 WET Message-Id: From: pete@pelican.pelican.com (Pete Carah) Subject: vn stuff still not fixed To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:06 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 198 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I guess this is nothing new. I see the most disk activity (this is a good actuator test :-) during make depend. Compiles are now relatively fast, so there must be at least a partial fix. -- Pete From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 13:13:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA06083 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:13:16 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06071; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:13:07 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA06747; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:13:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:13:07 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199502282113.NAA06747@time.cdrom.com> To: rgrimes@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Intel Etherexpress driver Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are you going to add this to the various configuration files so we can have it enabled by default? It's not even in LINT! ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 13:51:15 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA08176 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:51:15 -0800 Received: (from dima@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA08167; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:51:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199502282151.NAA08167@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: ftp shows directoriesuj To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:51:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Feb 27, 95 02:43:58 pm From: dima@FreeBSD.org (Dima Ruban) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 521 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ugen J.S.Antsilevich writes: > > How about a small patch to fto client which will show > all smart characters ppl can use in directory/file names in more > visible form like ^C,^V and others...any objections? 1. What for? 2. If you have a good reason to do it - just patch `ls' > > -- > -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- > NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning > E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] > Phone : +972-4-550330 | > > > -- dima From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 14:02:50 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA10354 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:02:50 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA10346 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:02:41 -0800 Received: (dyson@localhost) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) id OAA21026; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:02:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:02:35 -0800 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199502282202.OAA21026@Root.COM> To: current@FreeBSD.org, pete@pelican.pelican.com Subject: Re: vn stuff still not fixed Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Darn-it... I love that buzzing sound :-). I am *still* working on it. john dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 14:10:46 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA10725 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:10:46 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA10709; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:10:34 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA09962; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:09:49 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199502282209.OAA09962@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress driver To: jkh@FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199502282113.NAA06747@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 28, 95 01:13:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 747 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Are you going to add this to the various configuration files so we can > have it enabled by default? It's not even in LINT! ;-) I have purposely left it out for the time being. It compiles cleanly by default, but if you turn on any of the debugging stuff it gives tons of warnings that I am in the process of cleaning up. I felt it best to just leave it out of the config files until I clean this up. If someone wants to use this driver here is what the config line should look like: device ix0 at isa? port 0x320 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 32768 vector ixintr > Jordan -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 17:54:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA28492 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:54:49 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28476 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:54:20 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNKVPX0R5C001JAN@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:31:55 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA03099 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:37:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:37:29 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: problem starting Xaccel To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Message-id: <199502280937.KAA03099@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When starting Xaccel I'm getting: ld.so: Undefined symbol "___umoddi3" called from Xaccel:/usr/lib/libc.so.1.1 at 0 x80caa28 under 2.1.0-current. This happened with 12beta4 the first time. Up to then I was running a previous version of Xaccel. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 23:28:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA10480 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:28:12 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA10474; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:28:07 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA19365; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:27:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:11:08 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: ftp shows directoriesuj To: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" , Dima Ruban Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Ugen J.S.Antsilevich writes: >> >> How about a small patch to fto client which will show >> all smart characters ppl can use in directory/file names in more >> visible form like ^C,^V and others...any objections? > >1. What for? hmm..because sometime i find strange directories that ppl with funny sence of humour make..they clear your screen and do other unpleasant things.. Or at least you can't change into them.. >2. If you have a good reason to do it - just patch `ls' This is actually more ftp than ls problemm...on the local tty you can make theese characters to be echoed as ^X anyway... -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 23:39:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA10634 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:39:29 -0800 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA10600 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:38:43 -0800 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA00266 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:37:53 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199503010737.JAA00266@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: broken bootparamd makefiles To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:37:52 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3862 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The current bootparamd makefiles break if you do a make obj first. It does work if you don't have the obj link. Here is a patch for it. It will still work if you don't have an obj link:) -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za *** src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/bootparamd/Makefile.org Mon Feb 27 01:40:52 1995 --- src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/bootparamd/Makefile Wed Mar 1 09:36:25 1995 *************** *** 4,29 **** PROG= bootparamd SRCS= bootparam_prot_xdr.c bootparam_prot_svc.c bootparamd.c main.c MAN8= bootparamd.8 ! CFLAGS+= -DTFTP_DIR=\"/tftpboot\" CLEANFILES= bootparam_prot_svc.c bootparam_prot_xdr.c \ bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_svc.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x ${.CURDIR} ! rpcgen -m -o ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot_svc.c \ ! ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_xdr.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x ${.CURDIR} ! rpcgen -c -o ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot_xdr.c \ ! ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot.h: ! rm -f ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x ${.CURDIR} ! rpcgen -h -o ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.h \ ! ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x .include --- 4,26 ---- PROG= bootparamd SRCS= bootparam_prot_xdr.c bootparam_prot_svc.c bootparamd.c main.c MAN8= bootparamd.8 ! CFLAGS+= -DTFTP_DIR=\"/tftpboot\" -I. CLEANFILES= bootparam_prot_svc.c bootparam_prot_xdr.c \ bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_svc.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . ! rpcgen -m -o bootparam_prot_svc.c bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_xdr.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . ! rpcgen -c -o bootparam_prot_xdr.c bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot.h: ! rm -f bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . ! rpcgen -h -o bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x .include *** src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/callbootd/Makefile.org Mon Feb 27 01:40:53 1995 --- src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/callbootd/Makefile Wed Mar 1 09:22:53 1995 *************** *** 4,28 **** PROG= callbootd SRCS= bootparam_prot_xdr.c bootparam_prot_clnt.c callbootd.c NOMAN= CLEANFILES= bootparam_prot_clnt.c bootparam_prot_xdr.c \ bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_clnt.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x ${.CURDIR} ! rpcgen -l -o ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot_clnt.c \ ! ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_xdr.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x ${.CURDIR} ! rpcgen -c -o ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot_xdr.c \ ! ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot.h: ! rm -f ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x ${.CURDIR} ! rpcgen -h -o ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.h \ ! ${.CURDIR}/bootparam_prot.x .include --- 4,26 ---- PROG= callbootd SRCS= bootparam_prot_xdr.c bootparam_prot_clnt.c callbootd.c NOMAN= + CFLAGS+= -I. CLEANFILES= bootparam_prot_clnt.c bootparam_prot_xdr.c \ bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_clnt.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . ! rpcgen -l -o bootparam_prot_clnt.c bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot_xdr.c: bootparam_prot.h ! rm -f bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . ! rpcgen -c -o bootparam_prot_xdr.c bootparam_prot.x bootparam_prot.h: ! rm -f bootparam_prot.x ! cp /usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . ! rpcgen -h -o bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x .include From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 23:40:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA10705 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:40:27 -0800 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA10699 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:40:24 -0800 Received: from kmd-ac.dk by dkuug.dk with UUCP id AA16215 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for freebsd.org!current); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:40:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199503010740.AA16215@dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: Herc MGA and no cursor... To: gj@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:39:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Soeren Schmidt" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" at Feb 28, 95 10:31:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 411 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com who wrote: > > > with a kernel from sources mirror'd yesterday the Herc MGA cursor has > disappeared again :( > I've seen it, sorry, I'll fix it plus some new updates as soon as I get a little time.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@kmd-ac.dk) FreeBSD Core Team .. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 28 23:59:05 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA11410 for current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:59:05 -0800 Received: (from dima@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA11399; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:59:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199503010759.XAA11399@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: ftp shows directoriesuj To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:59:04 -8000 (PST) Cc: ugen@netvision.net.il, dima@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 1, 95 09:11:08 am From: dima@FreeBSD.org (Dima Ruban) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 990 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ugen J.S.Antsilevich writes: > > > >Ugen J.S.Antsilevich writes: > >> > >> How about a small patch to fto client which will show > >> all smart characters ppl can use in directory/file names in more > >> visible form like ^C,^V and others...any objections? > > > >1. What for? > > hmm..because sometime i find strange directories that ppl with funny > sence of humour make..they clear your screen and do other unpleasant things.. > Or at least you can't change into them.. ls -la "|od -c" > >2. If you have a good reason to do it - just patch `ls' > > This is actually more ftp than ls problemm...on the local tty you can make theese > characters to be echoed as ^X anyway... No, I meant, you can do just different `ls' version for ftpd > > > -- > -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- > NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning > E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] > Phone : +972-4-550330 | > > > -- dima From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 00:19:07 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA12297 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:19:07 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA12273; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:19:02 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23145; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:18:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 10:02:03 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: ftp shows directoriesuj To: Dima Ruban Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> >2. If you have a good reason to do it - just patch `ls' >> >> This is actually more ftp than ls problemm...on the local tty you can make theese >> characters to be echoed as ^X anyway... > >No, I meant, you can do just different `ls' version for ftpd That's the point..Site i am connecting to can be , and probably is, NOT FreeBSD 2.X with patched ftpd so there is not use in patching ftpd at our system when actually the problemm is not here. Patching ftp client on the other hand would work in any case... -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 00:21:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA12405 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:21:25 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA12388 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:21:15 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25707; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:19:10 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id JAA06105 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:19:09 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA11166 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:16:16 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503010816.JAA11166@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ftp shows directoriesuj To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:16:16 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 1, 95 09:11:08 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 597 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ugen J.S.Antsilevich wrote: > [ls of funny dir names] > >2. If you have a good reason to do it - just patch `ls' > > This is actually more ftp than ls problemm...on the local tty you can make theese > characters to be echoed as ^X anyway... Make ftpd force to use ``ls -q'' instead of plain ls. I've seen it on DG/UX: their ls accepted an option `-b', resulting in non-printable characters echoed as \XXX. Do folks think this is a worthy hack? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 02:10:44 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA20326 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 02:10:44 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA20320 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 02:10:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21641 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 02:10:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199503011010.CAA21641@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: REBUILD CONFIG Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 02:10:36 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just committed a change to config, and Peter will change it again later this morning. Anyway you slice it, REBUILD CONFIG, or your kernel build will fall over. __ Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 02:59:21 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA21186 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 02:59:21 -0800 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA21178 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 02:58:55 -0800 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA02619 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:57:36 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199503011057.MAA02619@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: bootparamd makefile still broken To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:57:35 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1041 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, My patch this morning was not complete. I never tested make install - stupidly thinking that it would work :( The install program never get a destination directory. Here is another patch that should also be added. I think this should be the last one for these makefiles :) -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za *** src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/bootparamd/Makefile.org Wed Mar 1 12:45:47 1995 --- src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/bootparamd/Makefile Wed Mar 1 12:47:04 1995 *************** *** 23,26 **** --- 23,27 ---- cp ${DESTDIR}/usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . rpcgen -h -o bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x + .include "../../Makefile.inc" .include *** src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/callbootd/Makefile.org Wed Mar 1 12:45:50 1995 --- src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/callbootd/Makefile Wed Mar 1 12:47:38 1995 *************** *** 23,26 **** --- 23,27 ---- cp ${DESTDIR}/usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . rpcgen -h -o bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x + .include "../../Makefile.inc" .include From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 03:16:55 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA21702 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 03:16:55 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA21695; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 03:16:51 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id GAA02259; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 06:14:44 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503011114.GAA02259@hda.com> Subject: Privileged instruction fault while in kernel mode To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, current@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 06:14:44 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1109 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually I may NOT be commiting this morning: I supped this AM, applied my patches, built and I'm getting: Fatal trap 1: privileged instruction fault while in kernel mode instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0110293 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 37 (syslogd) interrupt mask = net tty bio kernel: type 1 trap, code = 0 Stopped at _sigprocmask+0x2b: cmpl $0x1, %eax stack backtrace is: _sigprocmask(...) at _sigprocmask + 0x2b _syscall(27,27,7,...) at syscall+0xfb I didn't run with this sup as a baseline before applying my patches so I'm not sure if the problem is with my patches or the sup. I doubt it is the SCSI code but I don't want to check it in while I have this kind of problem locally. I'm going to resup, build a baseline and see where the problem is. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 04:11:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA24858 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 04:11:03 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA24844 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 04:11:00 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id HAA01929; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:08:53 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503011208.HAA01929@hda.com> Subject: Morning panic To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:08:52 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 730 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I verified that the "Fatal trap 1: privileged instruction fault while in kernel mode" I reported (I haven't seen the report yet; hopefully I'll see it soon) is indeed in this morning's kernel and not in the new SCSI configuration code. However, I think it unwise to add my code when I know that kernels built will fail. I'll wait until tomorrow to commit the changes. If anyone is interested there is a full set of patches on freefall in my home directory in ~dufault/PATCHES. I was just about to commit them when I found out the kernel was broken. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 04:18:09 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA25079 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 04:18:09 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA25069 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 04:18:03 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA30402; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:07:36 +1100 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:07:36 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503011207.XAA30402@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.org, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za Subject: Re: bootparamd makefile still broken Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >My patch this morning was not complete. I never tested make install - stupidly >thinking that it would work :( The install program never get a destination >directory. Here is another patch that should also be added. I think this >should be the last one for these makefiles :) I can think of futher improvements :-). > cp ${DESTDIR}/usr/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x . > rpcgen -h -o bootparam_prot.h bootparam_prot.x - the path should be to the rpcsvc source directory, ${RPCSVC}. - someone should fix cp -f so that the rm and cp commands can be merged. - the removing and copying can be avoided using cd ${RPCSVC}; rpcgen -h -o ${.OBJDIR}/bootparam_prot.h} bootparam_prot.x The cd seems to be necessary to stop rpcgen from screwing up the #includes. - there should a dependency on $PRPCSVC}/bootparam_prot.x Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 06:27:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA29393 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 06:27:16 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA29387 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 06:27:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12086; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:25:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199503011425.QAA12086@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Soeren Schmidt" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Herc MGA and no cursor... Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 16:25:22 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've seen it, sorry, I'll fix it plus some new updates as soon as > I get a little time.... I've also gone back to a "white-out" cursor, instead of the reverse video one. -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 14:39:40 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA02402 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:39:40 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA02396 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:39:37 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id RAA00293; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:37:26 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503012237.RAA00293@hda.com> Subject: HEADS UP: New SCSI configuration checked in. To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:37:25 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2352 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The new SCSI fixed device configuration support is added. This modifies usr.sbin/config, sys/scsi, sys/i386/kern/user_conf.c, and the system configuration files. In addition, a lot of common code is hoisted up out of the SCSI type drivers and into base drivers; the system is a bit smaller. The number of SCSI busses is now dynamic. There is a "hand wave" at support in user_conf, but unless you have wired down devices you won't see anything so don't be too disappointed if you try it. USE: REBUILD usr.sbin/config before configuring the kernel. If you do not you will see undefined references to "scsi_cinit", "scsi_dinit", and "scsi_tinit" from scsiconf.c. TEST: Since your SCSI disks will be mounted based on the unit this code assigns to them there is some risk. Yes, this code has been tested both by me and at least booted by Justin Gibbs, BUT: If you want to be real careful, when booting the first time set a breakpoint in "scsi_attachdevs" and "next" your way through the probe code. Do this by booting with "-D -d", tell ddb "break scsi_attachdevs" and "cont", then "next" through scsi_attachdevs and "cont" if everything looks fine. It will print out nice and slowly for you. If you are uncomfortable with the idea of setting a breakpoint you may want to wait a day to make sure there are no problems. Since you won't have any wired down SCSI devices it should look just like always. If you see anything unusual don't use the kernel, but instead send your config file to dufault@hda.com. NOTES: When you are wiring down devices be careful and watch for surprises during boot. To see how to wire down the devices check out "man 4 scsi" after the man page has been installed. The CD changer "scsi/ch.c" is untested. I've noticed that this configuration: > controller scbus0 > controller scbus1 > disk sd0 > disk sd1 > disk sd2 > disk sd3 > disk sd4 > disk sd5 > tape st0 > tape st1 > device cd0 > device cd1 generates these warnings: > In file included from ../../scsi/scsiconf.c:34: > ./sd.h:1: warning: `NSCBUS' redefined > ./scbus.h:2: warning: this is the location of the previous definition but I suspect this problem was always there. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 15:40:21 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA04051 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:40:21 -0800 Received: from cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl (cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl [130.161.189.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA04045 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:40:17 -0800 Received: by cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for current@FreeBSD.org id AA16595; Thu, 2 Mar 95 00:37:59 +0100 From: yves@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl (Yves Fonk) Message-Id: <9503012337.AA16595@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl> Subject: SCSI problems (?) To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:37:54 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2914 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I know the SCSI driver is going to be renewed soon. I just want to report the problems I have had with a SCSI drive in case its cause lies somewhere else. I've had problems the last few days, but hadn't time to look into it. Today I wanted to upgrade from sup to CTM and needed the disk. Fsck refused to alleviate the problem: it complained about bad summary information goes ahead anyway, and at the end discovers MEDIUM errors: Mar 1 00:01:39 tnfonk kernel: RE info:00000142 asc:03, retries:1 Mar 1 00:01:39 tnfonk kernel: sd1(aha0:0:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:00000142 asc :03, FAILURE ... and more of the same.... It fails to resolve these and the disk stays bad, unusable, and unmountable. The kernel I currently use is a few weeks old; a little bit older kernel (but one without modifications by me) has the same problems: Mar 1 19:49:40 tnfonk kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Mon Feb 13 11:45:35 MET 1995 Mar 1 19:49:40 tnfonk kernel: yves@tnfonk:/usr/src/sys.Orig/compile/TNFONK Having tried various aproaches to get the disk going again and having failed, I started up from the old BSD partition (kept for occasions like this :-): Mar 1 20:26:18 tnfonk /386bsd: FreeBSD 1.1.0(Current) (SYSCONS) #6: Tue Dec 6 03:14:50 WET 1994 Mar 1 20:26:18 tnfonk /386bsd: yves@tnfonk:/usr2/Current/usr/src/sys/compile/ SYSCONS This one also complained, but one go with fsck solved the problems. It also removed the bad block messages I was getting. This is exactly what I expected to happen the first time. Secondly, the ``old'' fsck managed to notice that the original superblock was bad and proposed to use the backup at blk 32, the new one didn't and even -b 32 wouldn't help. All this reminds me that I was getting a message like Shadow superblock mismatches original, or something like it whenever I started up the ``old'' BSD partition in the past. I never paid much attention to it then, now I'm wondering whether there is/was something wrong. Since the problem has been solved I cannot check out the differences any more. One question remains: isn't fsck supposed to add badblocks to the badblock list of a SCSI device? Furthermore, suddenly I cannot write a tape anymore (not write protected :-(). Mar 1 19:44:37 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 Mar 1 19:44:37 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): DATA PROTECT csi:00,00,80,08 Mar 1 19:45:44 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 Mar 1 19:45:45 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): DATA PROTECT csi:00,00,80,08 Mar 1 19:46:53 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 Tape drive is an Archive 2525S. Don't know whether its a related problem but before digging any further may be any of you can tell me what the problem is. Hope this message is of some use. If anyone has some suggestions, thanks in advance, Yves --- Yves Fonk yves@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 16:46:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA05878 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:46:16 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA05866 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:46:10 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id BAA19414 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:45:07 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26076; Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:46:05 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.6.10/keltia-uucp-1.21) id BAA00685 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:18:16 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199503020018.BAA00685@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Status of the null FS To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Current Users' list) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:18:15 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#409 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1159 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, What is exactly the status of the nullfs ? I noticed that : 1. it is a very good idea, 2. freefall is using it so I decided to do the same But, using nullfs gives me consistent panics like the following : Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0x0 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type=0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0 current process = 58 (install) interrupt mask = panic: page fault Syncing disks 22 22 20 13 4 1 1 1 1 ..... 1 giving up I wanted to use nullfs to map /spare/usr/{src,obj} into "real" /usr/src and /usr/obj to get rid of the looong symbolic links like /usr/obj/spare/usr/src/lib/libtelnet... I got 9 panics between yesterday and tonight (eur. time). Ideas anyone ? I get these panics with both sunday and tuesday sources. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #15: Tue Feb 28 21:02:39 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 16:55:46 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA06262 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:55:46 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA06256 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:55:44 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id BAA19475 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:54:42 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26126; Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:55:40 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9503020055.AA26126@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: vn broken ? To: current@FreeBSD.org (Current's list FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:55:39 +0100 (MET) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#407 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1066 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Today's sources (US time), CTM #412 date: 19950301154039Z I rebuilt config, make depend all and got that : cc -c -O -m486 -pipe -W -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -nostdinc -I. -I../.. -I../../sys -I../../../include -DKELTIA -DI486_CPU -DEXCLUDE_PRO_MIDI -DEXCLUDE_PAS -DEXCLUDE_PSS -DEXCLUDE_MSS -DEXCLUDE_GUS16 -DEXCLUDE_GUSMAX -DEXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT -DEXCLUDE_GUS -DKTRACE -DDODUMP -DGATEWAY -DSHMMAXPGS=64 -DSYSVMSG -DSYSVSEM -DSYSVSHM -DTEST_LABELLING -DDUMMY_NOPS -DAUTO_EOI_2 -DAUTO_EOI_1 -DUCONSOLE -DSCSI_2_DEF -DCOMPAT_43 -DLFS -DMFS -DFFS -DINET -DKERNEL -Di386 -DLOAD_ADDRESS=0xF0100000 ../../dev/vn/vn.c ../../dev/vn/vn.c: In function `vnioctl': ../../dev/vn/vn.c:427: `numvnd' undeclared (first use this function) ../../dev/vn/vn.c:427: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../dev/vn/vn.c:427: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop. Did I miss something ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #14: Sun Feb 26 16:31:40 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 17:04:54 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA06753 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:04:54 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06747 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:04:53 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA05151; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:04:49 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503020104.RAA05151@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: vn broken ? To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:04:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503020055.AA26126@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Mar 2, 95 01:55:39 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1251 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk fixed. > Today's sources (US time), CTM #412 date: 19950301154039Z > > I rebuilt config, make depend all and got that : > > cc -c -O -m486 -pipe -W -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -nostdinc -I. -I../.. -I../../sys -I../../../include -DKELTIA -DI486_CPU -DEXCLUDE_PRO_MIDI -DEXCLUDE_PAS -DEXCLUDE_PSS -DEXCLUDE_MSS -DEXCLUDE_GUS16 -DEXCLUDE_GUSMAX -DEXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT -DEXCLUDE_GUS -DKTRACE -DDODUMP -DGATEWAY -DSHMMAXPGS=64 -DSYSVMSG -DSYSVSEM -DSYSVSHM -DTEST_LABELLING -DDUMMY_NOPS -DAUTO_EOI_2 -DAUTO_EOI_1 -DUCONSOLE -DSCSI_2_DEF -DCOMPAT_43 -DLFS -DMFS -DFFS -DINET -DKERNEL -Di386 -DLOAD_ADDRESS=0xF0100000 ../../dev/vn/vn.c > ../../dev/vn/vn.c: In function `vnioctl': > ../../dev/vn/vn.c:427: `numvnd' undeclared (first use this function) > ../../dev/vn/vn.c:427: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > ../../dev/vn/vn.c:427: for each function it appears in.) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Did I miss something ? > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #14: Sun Feb 26 16:31:40 MET 1995 > -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 17:31:05 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA08496 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:31:05 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08488 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:31:02 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA00661; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 20:28:50 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503020128.UAA00661@hda.com> Subject: Re: SCSI problems (?) To: yves@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl (Yves Fonk) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 20:28:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503012337.AA16595@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl> from "Yves Fonk" at Mar 2, 95 00:37:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3287 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yves Fonk writes: > > Hi, > > I know the SCSI driver is going to be renewed soon. I just want to report the > problems I have had with a SCSI drive in case its cause lies somewhere else. Not renewed, just changed a little. > > I've had problems the last few days, but hadn't time to look into it. > Today I wanted to upgrade from sup to CTM and needed the disk. > Fsck refused to alleviate the problem: it complained about bad summary > information goes ahead anyway, and at the end discovers MEDIUM errors: > > Mar 1 00:01:39 tnfonk kernel: RE info:00000142 asc:03, retries:1 > Mar 1 00:01:39 tnfonk kernel: sd1(aha0:0:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:00000142 asc > :03, FAILURE ASC:3 ASCQ:0 is "Peripheral Device Write Fault". (We don't print out the qualifier if it is 0; we really should) > It fails to resolve these and the disk stays bad, unusable, and unmountable. It is unusual that your drive isn't mapping out bad blocks automatically on write failures. How old is this drive? > I started up from the old BSD partition (kept for occasions like this :-): > > Mar 1 20:26:18 tnfonk /386bsd: FreeBSD 1.1.0(Current) (SYSCONS) #6: Tue Dec 6 > 03:14:50 WET 1994 > Mar 1 20:26:18 tnfonk /386bsd: yves@tnfonk:/usr2/Current/usr/src/sys/compile/ > SYSCONS > > This one also complained, but one go with fsck solved the problems. It also > removed the bad block messages I was getting. This is exactly what I expected > to happen the first time. Secondly, the ``old'' fsck managed to notice that > the original superblock was bad and proposed to use the backup at blk 32, > the new one didn't and even -b 32 wouldn't help. > All this reminds me that I was getting a message like Shadow superblock > mismatches original, or something like it whenever I started up the ``old'' > BSD partition in the past. I never paid much attention to it then, now I'm > wondering whether there is/was something wrong. When you booted the old partition were you accessing the partition that you are having problems with? As far as I know there is nothing in the old code to do anything unusual with bad block handling. > > Since the problem has been solved I cannot check out the differences > any more. One question remains: isn't fsck supposed to add badblocks > to the badblock list of a SCSI device? No, the SCSI disk should be set up to automatically map out the bad blocks when they are written to. If they are read we have a problem. > > Furthermore, suddenly I cannot write a tape anymore (not write protected :-(). > > Mar 1 19:44:37 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 > Mar 1 19:44:37 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): DATA PROTECT csi:00,00,80,08 > Mar 1 19:45:44 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 > Mar 1 19:45:45 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): DATA PROTECT csi:00,00,80,08 > Mar 1 19:46:53 tnfonk kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 > > Tape drive is an Archive 2525S. Don't know whether its a related problem but > before digging any further may be any of you can tell me what the problem is. I don't think this is related. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 19:06:06 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA11901 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:06:06 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk (post.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.72]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA11895 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:06:02 -0800 Received: from punt.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa02046; 2 Mar 95 3:05 GMT Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk by punt.demon.co.uk id aa04874; 2 Mar 95 2:58 GMT Received: from localhost (gary@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00869; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:39:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: palmer.demon.co.uk: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Ollivier Robert cc: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Status of the null FS In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 1995 01:18:15 +0100." <199503020018.BAA00685@keltia.frmug.fr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <865.794108338.1@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 01:38:58 +0000 Message-ID: <866.794108338@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199503020018.BAA00685@keltia.frmug.fr.net>, Ollivier Robert writes: >What is exactly the status of the nullfs ? >I noticed that : >1. it is a very good idea, >2. freefall is using it so I decided to do the same BROKEN. It's OK for read-only use, but DO NOT TRY WRITING TO IT :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 22:51:39 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA23376 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:51:39 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA23359 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:51:33 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14054; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 07:49:09 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id HAA13372; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 07:49:08 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA19760; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 07:33:59 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503020633.HAA19760@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SCSI problems (?) To: yves@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl, current@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 07:33:58 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199503020128.UAA00661@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Mar 1, 95 08:28:49 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 992 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: > > > kernel: RE info:00000142 asc:03, retries:1 > > kernel: sd1(aha0:0:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:00000142 asc > > :03, FAILURE > > ASC:3 ASCQ:0 is "Peripheral Device Write Fault". (We don't print out > the qualifier if it is 0; we really should) ... > > kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 > > kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): DATA PROTECT csi:00,00,80,08 > > kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 > > kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): DATA PROTECT csi:00,00,80,08 > > kernel: st0(aha0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST csi:00,00,80,08 > > > > Tape drive is an Archive 2525S. ... > > I don't think this is related. Hmm, Peter, the Archive 2150S is working absolutely flawlessly here. Don't you think it's possible that all of the above crap could also be generated by bad cabling, over-termination etc.? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 1 23:20:04 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA25860 for current-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:20:04 -0800 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA25854 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:20:03 -0800 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA29047; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:19:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199503020719.IAA29047@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: yves@cpcoup5.tn.tudelft.nl, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SCSI problems (?) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 08:19:51 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- Salut, >> >> > kernel: RE info:00000142 asc:03, retries:1 >> > kernel: sd1(aha0:0:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:00000142 asc >> > :03, FAILURE >> >> ASC:3 ASCQ:0 is "Peripheral Device Write Fault". (We don't print out >> the qualifier if it is 0; we really should) > I have something like that as well, with the current (-12 hours) kernel -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 01:42:55 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA05363 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:42:55 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.142.36]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA04661 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:35:34 -0800 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA08234; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:58:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:58:11 +0100 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199502272158.WAA08234@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Re: faking reply-to field Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: John Hay > # who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) > DMmikom.csir.co.za Thanks John, I'd spotted it, but was wary of using it, as I didnt want the other logins apart from me (jhs) on this box to be masqueraded, because the other logins on this box here don't have any equivalent same name login on my up-link masquerade host, the only login where masquerading would work is for jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de --> jhs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de if for instance any friends visited me (physically, or via rlogin while my slip link was up (as one already has)), then any mail they sent from my box (to wherever) would end up with a reply-to: on a masquerade host that would bounce them. My Ip provider will happily (if he hasn't already) provide an MX record, but he says his box will still bnounce my hosts mail, if my host doesnt pick up within 3 days (& my host ist no way stable enough for me to risk the modem running unattended, the phone bill if something went wrong would be devastating) Julian S. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 01:58:46 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA06591 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:58:46 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA06563 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:58:33 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNNP6JPPYO001RBW@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:56:53 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id LAA09622 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:02:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 11:02:15 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199503021002.LAA09622@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 1140 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: > From kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de Thu Mar 2 09:04:36 1995 > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:01:39 GMT > From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" > Message-Id: <199503020901.JAA02396@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de> > To: kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de > Subject: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen > > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_cinit' referenced from text segment > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_cinit' referenced from text segment > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > Anyone knowing the reason why? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 02:04:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA07269 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:04:41 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA07259 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:04:39 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id LAA23808 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:03:34 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27587; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:04:31 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9503021004.AA27587@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Status of the null FS To: gary@palmer.demon.co.uk (Gary Palmer) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:04:30 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <866.794108338@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at Mar 2, 95 01:38:58 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#407 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 379 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It's OK for read-only use, but DO NOT TRY WRITING TO IT :-) Oh boy, that I was trying to do of course :-) Sometimes it is frustrating not to be a kernel hacker by lack of knowledge, especially when you want to fix something... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #14: Sun Feb 26 16:31:40 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 02:16:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA08257 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:16:14 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA08247 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:16:12 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id LAA24062 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:15:02 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27649; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:15:59 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9503021015.AA27649@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:15:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503021002.LAA09622@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Mar 2, 95 11:02:15 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#407 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1225 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyone knowing the reason why? > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de Did you read Peter's message ? You gotta rebuild config... Return-Path: Subject: HEADS UP: New SCSI configuration checked in. To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:37:25 -0500 (EST) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The new SCSI fixed device configuration support is added. This modifies usr.sbin/config, sys/scsi, sys/i386/kern/user_conf.c, and the system configuration files. In addition, a lot of common code is hoisted up out of the SCSI type drivers and into base drivers; the system is a bit smaller. The number of SCSI busses is now dynamic. There is a "hand wave" at support in user_conf, but unless you have wired down devices you won't see anything so don't be too disappointed if you try it. USE: REBUILD usr.sbin/config before configuring the kernel. If you do not you will see undefined references to "scsi_cinit", "scsi_dinit", and "scsi_tinit" from scsiconf.c. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #14: Sun Feb 26 16:31:40 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 02:19:06 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA08484 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:19:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA08473; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:19:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 95 11:02:15 +0100." <199503021002.LAA09622@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 02:19:04 -0800 Message-ID: <8472.794139544@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_cinit' referenced from text segment > > Anyone knowing the reason why? Do you actually read this mailing list? :-) Peter Dufault warned everyone to rebuild config earlier today, and there was a pre-warning yesterday as well.. Notice to all: Please don't run -current if you can't get mail from this list in a timely fashion! Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 03:31:24 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA12852 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:31:24 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA12846 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:31:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25084; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:26:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199503021126.DAA25084@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Christoph Kukulies cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 1995 11:02:15 +0100." <199503021002.LAA09622@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 03:26:17 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Forwarded message: >> From kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de Thu Mar 2 09:04:36 1995 >> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:01:39 GMT >> From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" >> Message-Id: <199503020901.JAA02396@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de> >> To: kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de >> Subject: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen >> >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_cinit' referenced from text segment >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_cinit' referenced from text segment >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment >> userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_dinit' referenced from text segment >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop. > >Anyone knowing the reason why? You didn't rebuild config maybe??? It was posted to current that this had changed. > >--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 >20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 04:17:23 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA14448 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:17:23 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA14438 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:17:16 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25675 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:16:34 +0200 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 13:59:18 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: problemms with new kernel/config.. To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I do read -current,i did sup 10 minutes ago to kernel and to config, i recompiled config and i reran it and did "make depend",but still i get: undefined symbol _scsi_cinit _scsi_dinit What's wrong? -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 04:28:00 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA14642 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:28:00 -0800 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA14635; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:27:26 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-6) id AA27319; Thu, 2 Mar 95 13:27:15 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id NAA09868; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:32:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199503021232.NAA09868@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:32:38 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <8472.794139544@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 2, 95 02:19:04 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 860 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > userconfig.o: Undefined symbol `_scsi_cinit' referenced from text segment > > > > Anyone knowing the reason why? > > Do you actually read this mailing list? :-) Peter Dufault warned everyone > to rebuild config earlier today, and there was a pre-warning yesterday as > well.. Notice to all: Please don't run -current if you can't get mail > from this list in a timely fashion! Hhhmm. On normal days (when freefall is up and running ;-) I'm getting about 200 mails. Somehow I must have overlooked it.Sorry for that. Maybe I need something like "Achtung! Still gestanden" rather than "HEADS UP" ;-) in the Subject: line. > > Jordan > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 04:32:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA14737 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:32:36 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA14729 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:32:32 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA27077 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:31:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:13:47 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: -current SCSI problemm.. To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok..by the time i found what's the problemm with _scsi_[cd]init...they used in userconfig.c but config defines them only if scsi controller is onfigured in kernel So this should be somehow #ifdef'ed in userconfig.c P.S. This also shows who has SCSI devices and who not - those who did not complained probably have some scsi disk..:))) So advice to all developers - keep some old 386 ISA box around..:)))) -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 11:04:10 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00160 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:04:10 -0800 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00154 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:04:02 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-6) id AA00537; Thu, 2 Mar 95 18:57:07 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id TAA10233 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:03:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199503021803.TAA10233@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: ppp build fails To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:03:39 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de In-Reply-To: <199503021849.SAA04616@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Mar 2, 95 06:49:42 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 863 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For several days now my world build stops in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp: > > cc -O2 -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c: In function `OsSetInterfaceParams': > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:240: storage size of `info' isn't known > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:245: `TUNSIFINFO' undeclared (first use this function) > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:245: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:245: for each function it appears in.) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > The connections to freefall have not been the best during the past days so this might as well a sup problem (though my sup runs every hour). --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 11:45:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA03028 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:45:25 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03018 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:45:20 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id OAA06084; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:42:49 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503021942.OAA06084@hda.com> Subject: Re: -current SCSI problemm.. To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:42:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 2, 95 02:13:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 461 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ugen J.S.Antsilevich writes: > > Ok..by the time i found what's the problemm with > _scsi_[cd]init...they used in userconfig.c but config > defines them only if scsi controller is onfigured in kernel > So this should be somehow #ifdef'ed in userconfig.c > Oops. I'll fix that. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 11:56:05 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA04035 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:56:05 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04026 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:56:04 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04641 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:55:44 -0801 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA07529; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:54:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:54:45 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503021954.LAA07529@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: disk performance slower Cc: rcarter@geli.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is bonnie output for a 030195 system and a 021095 system: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 030195 100 2563 91.2 3410 35.3 1513 25.5 2812 88.8 3735 39.4 70.7 8.2 021095 100 3145 96.0 3832 30.9 1630 21.0 3230 95.2 4231 36.8 81.0 7.0 System: P5-90, ncr, IBM 0662 disks, 32 MB. It sure was fun having > 4MB/s. Russell From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 12:33:38 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA06564 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:33:38 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA06354 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:29:54 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03403; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:42:34 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id UAA17715 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:42:34 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA21445 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:16:53 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503021916.UAA21445@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Status of the null FS To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:16:51 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503021004.AA27587@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Mar 2, 95 11:04:30 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 392 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: > > Sometimes it is frustrating not to be a kernel hacker by lack of > knowledge, especially when you want to fix something... This is easier to start than you might think, everybody here once has been starting... :^) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 12:45:46 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA07052 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:45:46 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA07044 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:45:44 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA24538 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:45:22 -0800 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA00398; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:44:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:44:30 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503022044.MAA00398@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: pci probe code messages Cc: rcarter@geli.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With a 030195 kernel I am getting the following boot messages. There seems to be trouble with the video probe: Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Wed Mar 1 20:15:01 PST 1995 Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: rcarter@geli.clusternet:/usr/src/sys/compile/RLCDE Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: CPU: Pentium (Pentium-class CPU) 90 MHz Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: This is a Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 Stepping=4 Features=0x1bf FP U VME PSE MCE CX8 Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: real memory = 33161216 (8096 pages) Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: avail memory = 30879744 (7539 pages) Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Mar 2 12:30:08 geli /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: sio0: type 16550A Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: sio1: type 16550A Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: sio2 not found at 0x3e8 Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: lpt0 at 0x278-0x27f irq 7 on isa Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: fdc0: (NEC 72065B) [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0x1039, device=0x406, class=multimedia [not supported ] Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: map(10): mem32(80000010) Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: map(14): mem64(80000010) Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: map(18): mem32(80000018) Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: map(1c): mem64(80000018) Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: map(20): mem32(80000020) Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: map(24): mem64(80000020) Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: pci0:1: vendor=0x1039, device=0x8, class=old [not supported] Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: vga0 on pci0:10 Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf43ca000 physical=0xf1000000 Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0xf1000000 read 0xffffffff) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (retry at 0x53900000) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf4bca000 physical=0x54000000 Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0x54000000 read 0xffffffff) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (retry at 0xc0000000) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf53ca000 physical=0xc0000000 Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0xc0000000 read 0xffffffff) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (retry at 0x81000000) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf5bca000 physical=0x81000000 Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0x81000000 read 0xffffffff) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (retry at 0xf000000) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf63ca000 physical=0xf000000 Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0xf000000 read 0xffffffff) Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: pci_map_mem: out of start addresses. Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: de0 int a irq 11 on pci0:11 vga0 I presume is my video board, which is a #9 GXE64 Pro. The motherboard is an ASUS P54SP4. Earlier kernels wrote these boot messages: pci0: scanning device 0..31, mechanism=1. pci0:0: vendor=0x1039, device=0x406, class=multimedia [not supported] map(10): mem32(80000010) map(14): mem64(80000010) map(18): mem32(80000018) map(1c): mem64(80000018) map(20): mem32(80000020) map(24): mem64(80000020) pci0:1: vendor=0x1039, device=0x8, class=old [not supported] graphics0 on pci0:10 de0 int a irq 11 on pci0:11 Cheers, Russell From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 13:10:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA07938 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:10:48 -0800 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA07929 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:10:42 -0800 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA02790; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:09:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:09:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Config broken in -current? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I supped -current over 2.0R and started getting the errors: ws3# config MikesKernel Removing old directory ../../compile/MikesKernel: Done. Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %BEFORE_DEPEND Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %CLEAN Don't forget to run "make depend" from config. Is something missing? I didn't get any errors from the sup... Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 13:22:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA08557 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:22:14 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08520 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:21:32 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA04190 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:20:12 +0100 Received: from hebe.ibp.fr (card@hebe.ibp.fr [132.227.64.34]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA27112 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:19:56 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by hebe.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) id WAA29599 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:19:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199503022119.WAA29599@hebe.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? To: mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (Michael C. Newell) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:19:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael C. Newell" at Mar 2, 95 04:09:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1060 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I supped -current over 2.0R and started getting the errors: > > ws3# config MikesKernel > Removing old directory ../../compile/MikesKernel: Done. > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %BEFORE_DEPEND > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %CLEAN > Don't forget to run "make depend" > > from config. Is something missing? I didn't get any errors from the sup... You have to rebuild config and reinstall it before configuring a new kernel. > Thanks, > > Mike > > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ > |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | > |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | > |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | > |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | > |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | > +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ Remy From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 13:25:13 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA08679 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:25:13 -0800 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08662 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:25:04 -0800 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA02827; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:22:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: Remy CARD cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? In-Reply-To: <199503022119.WAA29599@hebe.ibp.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Remy CARD wrote: > You have to rebuild config and reinstall it before configuring a > new kernel. Great - THANKS!!!!!! Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 13:58:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA10010 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:58:14 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10002 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:58:10 -0800 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <10196-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:57:35 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id QAA05500 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:31:22 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id GAA09532 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 06:28:24 GMT Message-Id: <199503020628.GAA09532@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Userconfig.o complains about undefined scsi symbols Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 16:28:23 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After creating & installing the new config, and running it on a kernel which has no scsi devices, the link phase in building the kernel falls over with undefined symbols_scsi_cinit, _scsi_dinit in the link phase. This obviously needs to be wrapped by an #ifdef somewhere. Stephen I do not speak for the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland - They don't pay me enough for that! From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 14:00:40 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA10135 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:00:40 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA10117; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:00:35 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA04466 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:59:06 +0100 Received: from hebe.ibp.fr (card@hebe.ibp.fr [132.227.64.34]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA27373 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:58:51 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by hebe.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) id WAA29663 ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:58:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199503022158.WAA29663@hebe.ibp.fr> Subject: Mach 4 and Lites note available To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:58:43 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 839 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yesterday, I had promised to update my note describing how to build and run Mach 4 and Lites on a PC running FreeBSD 2.x. Okay, I have updated it and I have uploaded to ftp.FreeBSD.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. The file is called mach4-lites. The note is big (1188 lines, 61941 bytes) because it contains an uuencoded binary of the mach_init program (compiling it from the CMU USER collection with the OSF build tools is not that easy). The note is not complete yet: it describes how to build and run Mach 4 and Lites, it also describes how to compile and run Mach programs on top of Lites, but it lacks a section explaining how to compile Mach programs from CMU (i.e. how to use the OSF build tools on FreeBSD 2). I plan to include this section soon (next week) and to upload an improved version. Comments are welcome. Remy From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 14:13:11 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA10741 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:13:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA10732; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:13:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jvh@cs.hut.fi Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 95 22:58:43 +0100." <199503022158.WAA29663@hebe.ibp.fr> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 14:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: <10729.794182382@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yesterday, I had promised to update my note describing how to build > and run Mach 4 and Lites on a PC running FreeBSD 2.x. Okay, I have updated > it and I have uploaded to ftp.FreeBSD.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. The > file is called mach4-lites. Cool! Hmmm. I wonder. What would people think about us putting a copy of LITES on the next FreeBSD 2.1 CDROM? We could include some simple usage instructions on what LITES was and explain how to layer it onto the FreeBSD 2.1 installation for intrepid Mach explorers, plus we could include whatever research papers were relevant. Comments? I assume that this would be legal? Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 14:31:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA11560 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:31:48 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA11554; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:31:47 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA08446; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:31:46 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503022231.OAA08446@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:31:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jvh@cs.hut.fi In-Reply-To: <10729.794182382@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 2, 95 02:13:02 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 860 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yesterday, I had promised to update my note describing how to build > > and run Mach 4 and Lites on a PC running FreeBSD 2.x. Okay, I have updated > > it and I have uploaded to ftp.FreeBSD.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. The > > file is called mach4-lites. > > Cool! > > Hmmm. I wonder. What would people think about us putting a copy of > LITES on the next FreeBSD 2.1 CDROM? We could include some simple > usage instructions on what LITES was and explain how to layer it onto > the FreeBSD 2.1 installation for intrepid Mach explorers, plus we > could include whatever research papers were relevant. > > Comments? I assume that this would be legal? It would fit nicely into the /experimental directory... -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 14:49:04 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12218 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:49:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA12208; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:49:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jvh@cs.hut.fi Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 95 14:31:46 PST." <199503022231.OAA08446@ref.tfs.com> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 14:49:02 -0800 Message-ID: <12207.794184542@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It would fit nicely into the /experimental directory... My exact thinking also. This would actually give the /experimental directory some real bite, and perhaps serve as an example to others. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 15:12:55 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13606 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:12:55 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13598 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:12:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA26677; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:12:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199503022312.PAA26677@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Michael C. Newell" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 1995 16:09:22 EST." Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 15:12:39 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I supped -current over 2.0R and started getting the errors: > > ws3# config MikesKernel > Removing old directory ../../compile/MikesKernel: Done. > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %BEFORE_DEPEND > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %CLEAN > Don't forget to run "make depend" > >from config. Is something missing? I didn't get any errors from the sup... > >Thanks, > >Mike Rebuild config. If you are going to run current, subscribe to the freebsd-current mailing list. The requirement to rebuild config was announced before the changes hit the tree. > >+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ >|Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | >|NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | >|Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | >|MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | >|+1-202-434-8954 | else. | >+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 16:08:09 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA16284 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:08:09 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA16278 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:08:07 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id TAA09217; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:05:44 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503030005.TAA09217@hda.com> Subject: Re: Userconfig.o complains about undefined scsi symbols To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:05:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503020628.GAA09532@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Mar 2, 95 04:28:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 684 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Hocking writes: > > After creating & installing the new config, and running it on a kernel which > has no scsi devices, the link phase in building the kernel falls over with > undefined symbols_scsi_cinit, _scsi_dinit in the link phase. This obviously > needs to be wrapped by an #ifdef somewhere. Sorry - you should get a fix in your next sup. If you want to do it by hand you can look in sys/i386/i386/userconfig.c and "#if 0" around anything you can find that has the letters "scsi" in it. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 16:21:51 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA17230 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:21:51 -0800 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA17222 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:21:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (amurai@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) id JAA29845; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:13:23 +0900 From: Atsushi MURAI Message-Id: <199503030013.JAA29845@specgw.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: ppp build fails To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:13:23 +0900 (JST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503021803.TAA10233@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Mar 2, 95 07:03:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1332 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For several days now my world build stops in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp: > > > > cc -O2 -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c: In function `OsSetInterfaceParams': > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:240: storage size of `info' isn't known > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:245: `TUNSIFINFO' undeclared (first use this function) > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:245: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/os.c:245: for each function it appears in.) > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > Please check if_tun.c and if_tun.h under /usr/include/net(or /sys/net) should be update as same as usr.sbin/ppp. > The connections to freefall have not been the best during the past days > so this might as well a sup problem (though my sup runs every hour). I just check out our current machine supping from frefall, They can compile and functional like a charm. So sounds like your sup information(last/when) and/or received file might be corrupted. > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 > 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Email : amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 16:45:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA18760 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:45:36 -0800 Received: from ParC03.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (ParC03.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.43]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA18477 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:41:15 -0800 Received: by ParC03.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA01715 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for current@freebsd.org); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 01:39:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199503030039.AA01715@ParC03.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: se@MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Stefan Esser) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 01:39:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Russell L. Carter" "pci probe code messages" (Mar 2, 12:44) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Russell L. Carter" Subject: Re: pci probe code messages Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 2, 12:44, "Russell L. Carter" wrote: } Subject: pci probe code messages } With a 030195 kernel I am getting the following boot } messages. There seems to be trouble with the video probe: } Mar 2 12:30:09 geli /kernel: vga0 on pci0:10 } Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf43ca000 physical=0xf1000000 } Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0xf1000000 read 0xffffffff) } Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (retry at 0x53900000) } Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: reg16: virtual=0xf4bca000 physical=0x54000000 } Mar 2 12:30:10 geli /kernel: (possible mapping problem: at 0x54000000 read 0xffffffff) There was one version of the PCI scan code, that did have this problem (Sorry !). I have just commited a change to the CVS tree, that disables the vga_attach() code, as it always should have been (and was at a time ...). You can patch "/sys/pci/pcisupport.c" to get a working version now: diff -C2 -r1.10 pcisupport.c *** 1.10 1995/02/27 17:22:09 --- pcisupport.c 1995/03/02 23:29:44 *************** *** 1,5 **** /************************************************************************** ** ! ** $Id: pcisupport.c,v 1.10 1995/02/27 17:22:09 se Exp $ ** ** Device driver for INTEL PCI chipsets. --- 1,5 ---- /************************************************************************** ** ! ** $Id: pcisupport.c,v 1.11 1995/03/02 23:29:44 se Exp $ ** ** Device driver for INTEL PCI chipsets. *************** *** 378,382 **** ** because certain values are assumed by the console driver. */ ! #ifndef PCI_REMAP vm_offset_t va; vm_offset_t pa; --- 378,382 ---- ** because certain values are assumed by the console driver. */ ! #if 0 vm_offset_t va; vm_offset_t pa; Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706019 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 17:16:37 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA20565 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:16:37 -0800 Received: from glueserv1.umd.edu (glueserv1.umd.edu [129.2.70.69]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA20555; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:16:35 -0800 Received: from channel.eng.umd.edu (channel.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.186]) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA16032; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:16:30 -0500 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by channel.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id UAA23568; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:17:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:17:00 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jvh@cs.hut.fi Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available In-Reply-To: <199503022231.OAA08446@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > Yesterday, I had promised to update my note describing how to build > > > and run Mach 4 and Lites on a PC running FreeBSD 2.x. Okay, I have updated > > > it and I have uploaded to ftp.FreeBSD.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. The > > > file is called mach4-lites. > > > > Cool! > > > > Hmmm. I wonder. What would people think about us putting a copy of > > LITES on the next FreeBSD 2.1 CDROM? We could include some simple > > usage instructions on what LITES was and explain how to layer it onto > > the FreeBSD 2.1 installation for intrepid Mach explorers, plus we > > could include whatever research papers were relevant. > > > > Comments? I assume that this would be legal? > > It would fit nicely into the /experimental directory... > I would like it, and I really can't see a negative... ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 17:55:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA23156 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:55:19 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA23149 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:55:17 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA13632 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:55:20 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id UAA12649; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:54:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:54:28 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503030154.UAA12649@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Do you actually read this mailing list? :-) Peter Dufault warned everyone > to rebuild config earlier today, and there was a pre-warning yesterday as > well.. Notice to all: Please don't run -current if you can't get mail > from this list in a timely fashion! As we all know by now, the problem was not caused by a failure to recompile config, but rather a failure of the person committing the changes to properly #ifdef the scsi references so that people who don't have SCSI devices can still link the kernel. So, I don't think this type of shoot-from-the hip reply was called for, especially since you obviously didn't check into it yourself to see what the problem really was. - Gene From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 17:58:28 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA23402 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:58:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA23391; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:58:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 95 20:54:28 EST." <199503030154.UAA12649@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 17:58:26 -0800 Message-ID: <23390.794195906@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Do you actually read this mailing list? :-) Peter Dufault warned everyone > > to rebuild config earlier today, and there was a pre-warning yesterday as > > well.. Notice to all: Please don't run -current if you can't get mail > > from this list in a timely fashion! > > As we all know by now, the problem was not caused by a failure to recompile > config, but rather a failure of the person committing the changes to Actually, you're wrong. His problem WAS caused by a failure to rebuild config. It was Ugen's problem that was caused by the bogus SCSI device references.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 19:32:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA28221 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:32:49 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk (post.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.72]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA28213 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:32:45 -0800 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa18333; 3 Mar 95 3:27 GMT Received: from localhost (gary@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00422; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:26:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: palmer.demon.co.uk: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Remy CARD , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jvh@cs.hut.fi Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 1995 14:13:02 PST." <10729.794182382@freefall.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <410.794190396.1@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 00:26:52 +0000 Message-ID: <419.794190412@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <10729.794182382@freefall.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >Hmmm. I wonder. What would people think about us putting a copy of >LITES on the next FreeBSD 2.1 CDROM? We could include some simple >usage instructions on what LITES was and explain how to layer it onto >the FreeBSD 2.1 installation for intrepid Mach explorers, plus we >could include whatever research papers were relevant. >Comments? I assume that this would be legal? I'd love to see something like this. Dunno about legality tho :-( Gary From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 21:17:10 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA02559 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 21:17:10 -0800 Received: from mortar.mailback.com (mortar.mailback.com [199.2.107.43]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA02553 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 21:17:07 -0800 Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by mortar.mailback.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA03001; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 21:14:22 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 21:14:21 +0000 () From: FreeBSD Mail To: Remy CARD cc: "Michael C. Newell" , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? In-Reply-To: <199503022119.WAA29599@hebe.ibp.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You have to rebuild config and reinstall it before configuring a > new kernel. > Well, I would but when I try I get :- config.y: In function 'checksystemname': config.y:1016: 'SWAAP_PART' undeclared (first use this function) config.y:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once config.y:1016: for each function it appears in) *** error code 1 Stop. Anyone figured out the fix for this yet? Tom From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 22:11:20 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA03018 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:11:20 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA02964; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:05:37 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01856; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:04:45 --800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:37:54 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Subject: Just saying hello... To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1672 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've finally joined -hackers and -current, now that I have my own functioning address at work. :) Some of you might know me better as "Carmay Lim" (started the threads of PC Hardware Recommendations, had questions about the Aries+NCR PCI combination, plus a myriad of other FreeBSD newbie questions ;-)). She's my boss and I was using her account while the CC people here figured out how to create another one for me. They're all DOS/Novell weenies and Linux dweebs anyway. :-/ ;-) Anyhow, I work at the Academia Sinica in Taipei, Taiwan as a research assistant and systems administrator (graduated with a B.Sc in cell and molecular biology from University of Toronto last year). All that I know about UNIX, C programming and shell scripting is self-taught through much trial and error. ;-) So far I have two FreeBSD machines here, both of which are in use 16 to 18 hours a day, every day. As we hire more students and assistants (we're just starting up a lab), I plan to add one machine per person. They will act primarily as X terminals to our compute servers (various RS/6000's, SGI's and HP's) as well as handling non-compute tasks such as preparing papers in LaTeX, post-simulation analysis of data, data visualisation, reading mail and news, jumping on IRC, viewing GIF's, etc. ;-) The support I've received from various FreeBSD developers so far has been superb. As I told Stefan Esser and Joerg Wunsch, SGI can't come out with kernel fixes this quickly, and I have to pay my IBM service rep $200/hour before he'll even rlogin to take a look around. :-/ Looking forward to the 2.1 release. :) NRN. - Brian From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 22:34:38 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA03199 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:34:38 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA03191 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:34:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA17134; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:31:19 +0200 Message-Id: <199503030631.IAA17134@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: FreeBSD Mail cc: Remy CARD , "Michael C. Newell" , current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 08:31:18 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, I would but when I try I get :- > > config.y: In function 'checksystemname': > config.y:1016: 'SWAAP_PART' undeclared (first use this function) > config.y:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > config.y:1016: for each function it appears in) > *** error code 1 It looks like you need to rebuild your _whole_ system. If you recently SUPped, you may be in a little trouble, as it will not got go cleanly. there are lots of bits which you will have to track down and compile by hand to get up to speed. once you have done _that_, a make install should result in successful kernel compiles. -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 22:42:33 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA03292 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:42:33 -0800 Received: from mortar.mailback.com (mortar.mailback.com [199.2.107.43]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA03286 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:42:29 -0800 Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by mortar.mailback.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA06753; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:37:36 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:37:35 +0000 () From: FreeBSD Mail To: Mark Murray cc: Remy CARD , "Michael C. Newell" , current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? In-Reply-To: <199503030631.IAA17134@grunt.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I figured out the config.y stuff. It was looking for header files in all the wrong places. I then fixed an _strn error but the last one has me stumped. It build the kernel and does: loading kernel rearranging symbols symorder: illegal option -- x usage: symorder [-t] symlist file *** Error code 2 Stop Anyone help out on this one. ------------- On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Mark Murray wrote: > > Well, I would but when I try I get :- > > > > config.y: In function 'checksystemname': > > config.y:1016: 'SWAAP_PART' undeclared (first use this function) > > config.y:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > > config.y:1016: for each function it appears in) > > *** error code 1 > > It looks like you need to rebuild your _whole_ system. If you recently > SUPped, you may be in a little trouble, as it will not got go cleanly. > there are lots of bits which you will have to track down and compile by > hand to get up to speed. once you have done _that_, a make install should > result in successful kernel compiles. > > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 23:01:38 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA03473 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 23:01:38 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA03467 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 23:01:34 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA16229; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:59:47 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503030659.WAA16229@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:59:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd@mortar.mailback.com, Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov, current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za In-Reply-To: <199503030631.IAA17134@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 3, 95 08:31:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1075 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Well, I would but when I try I get :- > > > > config.y: In function 'checksystemname': > > config.y:1016: 'SWAAP_PART' undeclared (first use this function) > > config.y:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > > config.y:1016: for each function it appears in) > > *** error code 1 cd /usr/src make includes cd /usr/src/usr.sbin make cleandir obj depend all install cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf config FOO cd /sys/compile/FOO make depend all install > > It looks like you need to rebuild your _whole_ system. If you recently > SUPped, you may be in a little trouble, as it will not got go cleanly. > there are lots of bits which you will have to track down and compile by > hand to get up to speed. once you have done _that_, a make install should > result in successful kernel compiles. > > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Thu Mar 2 23:38:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA03884 for current-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 23:38:12 -0800 Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA03876 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 23:38:10 -0800 Received: from utis156.cs.utwente.nl by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (5.0/csrelayMX-SVR4_1.0/RB) id AA27117; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:38:05 --100 Received: by utis156.cs.utwente.nl (4.1/RBCS-1.0.1) id AA01049; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:37:58 +0100 To: "Michael C. Newell" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 02 Mar 1995 16:09:22 EST Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 08:37:57 +0100 Message-Id: <1048.794216277@utis156.cs.utwente.nl> From: Andras Olah content-length: 806 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 02 Mar 1995 16:09:22 EST, "Michael C. Newell" wrote: > I supped -current over 2.0R and started getting the errors: > > ws3# config MikesKernel > Removing old directory ../../compile/MikesKernel: Done. > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %BEFORE_DEPEND > Unknown % construct in generic makefile: %CLEAN > Don't forget to run "make depend" > > from config. Is something missing? I didn't get any errors from the sup... Did you rebuild your config first? I've just installed a current kernel in 2.0R without trouble. The steps I needed (advice from David Greenman): 1. make and install config 2. install the new makefiles share/mk 3. make and install a new kernel; reboot 4. make and install the important kernel dependent utilities (ifconfig, route, netstat, ... ) Andras From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 00:32:53 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA04613 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:32:53 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA04607 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:32:52 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id DAA14077 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:33:00 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id DAA07991; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:32:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:32:24 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503030832.DAA07991@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Thu, 02 Mar 1995 17:58:26 -0800 Subject: Re: kernel auf BLUES schiefgelaufen (fwd) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Do you actually read this mailing list? :-) Peter Dufault warned everyone > > > to rebuild config earlier today, and there was a pre-warning yesterday as > > > well.. Notice to all: Please don't run -current if you can't get mail > > > from this list in a timely fashion! > > > > As we all know by now, the problem was not caused by a failure to recompile > > config, but rather a failure of the person committing the changes to > >Actually, you're wrong. His problem WAS caused by a failure to rebuild >config. It was Ugen's problem that was caused by the bogus SCSI device >references.. > > Jordan I see ... you are able to divine who is using SCSI devices and who is using IDE only, so as to apply the proper flamage to people using SCSI who got the error messages because they didn't recompile config, and to avoid flaming people who are using IDE only and got the error messages because they configured a kernel without SCSI. - Gene From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 04:25:54 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA12080 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:25:54 -0800 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA12074; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:25:51 -0800 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA08019; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:21:04 -0800 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0rkWLN-0005OqC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:20 MEZ Message-Id: To: jkh%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Cc: current%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from "Jordan K. Hubbard" of Thu, 02 Mar 95 14:13:02 PST. Reply-To: gj@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 12:20:29 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm. I wonder. What would people think about us putting a copy of > LITES on the next FreeBSD 2.1 CDROM? We could include some simple > usage instructions on what LITES was and explain how to layer it onto > the FreeBSD 2.1 installation for intrepid Mach explorers, plus we > could include whatever research papers were relevant. > >Comments? I assume that this would be legal? An excellent idea. As to legality, semms to me that Johannes took special pains to make sure that everything was unencumbered. You might want to ask him, though. Gary J. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 04:56:54 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA12472 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:56:54 -0800 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA12466 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:56:50 -0800 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA03906; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:55:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:55:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Fatal error during -current make world (was Re: Config broken in -current?) In-Reply-To: <199503030659.WAA16229@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: ... snip ... > > > > It looks like you need to rebuild your _whole_ system. If you recently > > SUPped, you may be in a little trouble, as it will not got go cleanly. > > there are lots of bits which you will have to track down and compile by > > hand to get up to speed. once you have done _that_, a make install should > > result in successful kernel compiles. I have been working through rebuilding the -current system [my third attempt... ;{(] completely also. I got the kernel built, and now I'm trying (again) to rebuild the source tree. During the build I got: cc -O2 -I. -I/home/usr/src/lib/libss -DPOSIX -DIN_LIBSS -c /home/usr/src/lib/libss/requests.c -o requests.o cc -O2 -I. -I/home/usr/src/lib/libss -DPOSIX -DIN_LIBSS -c std_rqs.c -o std_rqs.o std_rqs.c:2: ss/ss.h: Not a directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Which is perfectly true - there is no "ss/ss.h". As far as I can tell the only "ss.h" in the tree at this point is "/home/usr/src/lib/libss/ss.h", not the requested "/home/usr/src/lib/libss/ss/ss.h". This bit of code is automagically generated, so you can't just go in and edit it; what I did was ln -s /home/usr/src/lib/libss /home/usr/src/lib/libss/ss which is silly but hey - it worked. :{) The next problem to occur is c++ -fpic -DPIC -O2 -nostdinc -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libg++/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libg++/include -I/usr/include/g++ -I/usr/include -nostdinc++ -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libg++/libg++/AllocRing.cc -o AllocRing.so cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1plus got fatal signal 4 *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. At this point I'm stuck; I don't know what a "fatal signal 4" is. Any advice? Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 07:01:51 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA19183 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:01:51 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA19105; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:01:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05515; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:00:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199503031500.RAA05515@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: phk@FreeBSD.org Subject: CTM - my $0.02 cc: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 17:00:45 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Poul-Henning I just want to give my vote of confidence in CTM. Well done! It is a large improvement over SUP, and a pleasure to use! I would also like to add one more vote (if any are coming in) for ports-cur to be emailed too. Last request: the ports-cur set on freefall are not "start-able". could you please give some sort of start-point (sort of like the 4MB src-cur you did a few days ago)? Maybe assume that ports are empty and go from there... In the meanwhile I'd be happy to FTP. Thanks! -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 07:39:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA20483 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:39:16 -0800 Received: from mortar.mailback.com (mortar.mailback.com [199.2.107.43]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA20475 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:39:12 -0800 Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by mortar.mailback.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA28369; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:36:33 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:36:32 +0000 () From: FreeBSD Mail To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > cd /usr/src > make includes Creates incorrect links in /usr/include for machine, net*, nfs, sys, ufs, vm Thought you'd like to know. > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin > make cleandir obj depend all install BIG PROBLEM here. Dies with the following:- ===> pkg_manage cc -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DHELP_PATH=\"/usr/share/misc/pkg_manage/\" - c /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_manage/pkg_manage.c cc -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DHELP_PATH=\"/usr/share/misc/pkg_manage/\" -o pkg_manage pkg_manage.o -ldialog -lncurses -lmytinfo pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_notify' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_notify' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_notify' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_notify' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_mesgbox' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_notify' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_fselect' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpline' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_fselect' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text segment pkg_manage.o: More undefined symbol _use_helpline refs follow pkg_manage.o: More undefined symbol _use_helpfile refs follow pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_fselect' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 I'm too tired to see straight. Time for a nap. I hope I'm not missing something obvious. Tom From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 08:13:47 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA21617 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:13:47 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA21611 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:13:45 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04624; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:06:45 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503031606.AA04624@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? To: freebsd@mortar.mailback.com (FreeBSD Mail) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 9:06:44 MST Cc: mark@grondar.za, Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov, current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za In-Reply-To: from "FreeBSD Mail" at Mar 2, 95 10:37:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, I figured out the config.y stuff. It was looking for header files > in all the wrong places. I then fixed an _strn error but the > last one has me stumped. It build the kernel and does: > > loading kernel > rearranging symbols > symorder: illegal option -- x > usage: symorder [-t] symlist file > *** Error code 2 Config is built with the system rather than the source headers, right? This is one of those cross-hosting issues I was on about. You need to have the new symorder as well. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 08:23:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA21910 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:23:48 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA21903 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:23:34 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNPH0BG7000002TV@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Fri, 03 Mar 1995 17:24:23 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id RAA13139 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:29:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 17:29:43 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: wassa matter with ppp? To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Message-id: <199503031629.RAA13139@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For several days now I'm unable to compile world since /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp breaks. (os.c: struct tuninfo info is unknown and TUNSINFO is undefined as well). --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 08:28:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA22065 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:28:41 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA22059 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:28:39 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04664; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:22:12 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503031622.AA04664@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Mach 4 and Lites note available To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 9:22:12 MST Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, jvh@cs.hut.fi In-Reply-To: <199503022231.OAA08446@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 2, 95 02:31:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It would fit nicely into the /experimental directory... > Speaking of which, did you get my reply to your email about the experimental directory? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 10:17:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA25234 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:17:36 -0800 Received: from irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25228 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:17:29 -0800 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13769 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:17:22 -0500 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199503031817.NAA13769@irbs.com> Subject: Patch for lkm/syscons build error To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-current) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jc@irbs.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 444 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Make in lkm/syscons fails due to missing include for apm stuff. *** usr/src/lkm/syscons/saver.h.orig Fri Mar 3 13:07:07 1995 --- usr/src/lkm/syscons/saver.h Fri Mar 3 13:07:10 1995 *************** *** 6,11 **** --- 6,12 ---- #include #include #include + #include #include extern scr_stat *cur_console; -- John Capo From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 10:20:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA25416 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:20:56 -0800 Received: from dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.28.40]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25404; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:20:37 -0800 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA14124; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:20:58 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199503031820.UAA14124@dolphin.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: screensaver lkms broken To: sos@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:20:57 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 712 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, After the changes to syscons, the screensaver lkm's won't compile anymore. It needs apm_bios.h. Now I don't know if Soren is still busy with the commits, but here is a patch. By the way, how do I get to load these things? I have tried with modload, but it just coredump all the time. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za *** src/lkm/syscons/saver.h.org Wed Feb 22 15:43:35 1995 --- src/lkm/syscons/saver.h Fri Mar 3 14:29:46 1995 *************** *** 3,8 **** --- 3,9 ---- #include #include #include + #include #include #include #include From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 10:51:37 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA26341 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:51:37 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA26335 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:51:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA27583; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:49:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199503031849.UAA27583@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: FreeBSD Mail cc: current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: Config broken in -current? (fwd) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 20:49:45 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > cd /usr/src > > make includes > > Creates incorrect links in /usr/include for machine, net*, nfs, sys, ufs, vm > Thought you'd like to know. NO! It creates links to includes that are far evolved from the ones you are currently using. > > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin > > make cleandir obj depend all install [snip snip] > pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_use_helpfile' referenced from text > segment > pkg_manage.o: More undefined symbol _use_helpline refs follow > pkg_manage.o: More undefined symbol _use_helpfile refs follow > pkg_manage.o: Undefined symbol `_dialog_fselect' referenced from text > segment > *** Error code 1 Because you are making such a big change, _you_ need to follow all these up. Remember that the code you are compiling is not compatible with the code you are compiling with. In this case, (and the many others like it that will follow), hunt down the library that (now) has the missing symbols and rebuild it by hand. The whole exercise is a train smash, it is not fun and it is not for the faint at heart. In some cases you will have to (by hand): a) rebuild libraries b) rebuild utilities c) grovel through source code to find out what the $#@! is going on. Remember that a _bunch_ of us have -current systems, but we all are compiling _on_ current. This does not mean we do not get burnt. When it happens, sleuth it down, fix it by hand, and if it was a bug, report it to bugs@... When in doubt, also remember what -current is _for_. It is not to get the latest-and-greatest. It is to beta-test and _hack_ on, which implies you know enough about source code to do one or the other (or both). Good Luck! In this case you need to rebuild the gnu libraries (I think this one is libdialog). It will not hurt to build them all. It may not work first time, as some utilities need to be built first, which need some libraries... M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 11:57:53 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA29597 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:57:53 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA29591 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:57:52 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA12029 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:57:47 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503031957.LAA12029@ref.tfs.com> Subject: scsi changes To: current@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:57:46 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 276 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The BOOTFLP kernel will panic in "extend_get" with a zero pointer reference when sysinstall opens /dev/sd0d on a machine without scsi. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 12:23:58 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01299 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:23:58 -0800 Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [198.68.24.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01293 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:23:56 -0800 Received: from abraxas (abraxas.mind.net [198.68.24.70]) by one.mind.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05101 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:20:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:20:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199503032020.MAA05101@one.mind.net> X-Sender: abraxas@mind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com From: abraxas@mind.net (heart of the sun) Subject: faqs? and perl... Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a collection of faqs that deal with maintaining a box running FreeBSD? If there was, it would be a great help. Also, I am having a problem compiling perl. I noticed that it wasn't in the ports dist so I assume that there is probably a minimally difficult way to compile this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Alan From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 12:34:39 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01478 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:34:39 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01469; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:34:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA01464; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:33:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199503032033.WAA01464@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: John Hay cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: screensaver lkms broken Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 22:33:56 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > After the changes to syscons, the screensaver lkm's won't compile anymore. > It needs apm_bios.h. This is crazy! I saw the change committed _long_ before the two emails reporting the error! (The commit mentioned the 'reporters'). Talk about fast! > By the way, how do I get to load these things? I have tried with modload, > but it just coredump all the time. This happens to me too. "modload .o" dumps on me too. "modload " creates null files called "". M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 12:52:37 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01793 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:52:37 -0800 Received: (from dima@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01784; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:52:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199503032052.MAA01784@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: screensaver lkms broken To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:52:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, sos@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za In-Reply-To: <199503032033.WAA01464@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 3, 95 10:33:56 pm From: dima@FreeBSD.org (Dima Ruban) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 870 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Murray writes: > > > After the changes to syscons, the screensaver lkm's won't compile anymore. > > It needs apm_bios.h. > > This is crazy! I saw the change committed _long_ before the two emails > reporting the error! (The commit mentioned the 'reporters'). > Talk about fast! > > > By the way, how do I get to load these things? I have tried with modload, > > but it just coredump all the time. > > This happens to me too. "modload .o" dumps on me too. > "modload " creates null files called "". # Syscons screen saver (modstat | grep -q _saver || modload -u -o /tmp/snake_saver_mod -e saver_init -q /lkm/snake_saver_mod.o) > /dev/null 2>&1 it's from my rc.local and it works just fine for me ... > > M > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > -- dima From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 12:55:04 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA01849 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:55:04 -0800 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01839; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:54:52 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA29386; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:52:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:52:31 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199503032052.NAA29386@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: Mark Murray "Re: screensaver lkms broken" (Mar 3, 10:33pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Mark Murray , John Hay Subject: Re: screensaver lkms broken Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > After the changes to syscons, the screensaver lkm's won't compile anymore. > > It needs apm_bios.h. > > This is crazy! I saw the change committed _long_ before the two emails > reporting the error! (The commit mentioned the 'reporters'). > Talk about fast! Some of us are further up the mailing list than others. I saw the two emails going by just as I was committing changes to that area of the tree and figured it was easy enough to fix it now rather than later. It's fun to blow folks mind that's way though... Nate From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 13:07:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA02077 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:07:41 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02070; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:07:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00441; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:06:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199503032106.XAA00441@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: dima@FreeBSD.org (Dima Ruban) cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, sos@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: screensaver lkms broken Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 23:06:39 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > # Syscons screen saver > (modstat | grep -q _saver || modload -u -o /tmp/snake_saver_mod -e saver_init -q /lkm/snake_saver_mod.o) > /dev/null 2>&1 > > it's from my rc.local and it works just fine for me ... Me too (now!). Thanks! PS Soren, the vidcontrol(1) man page lies :-). It still refers to a -s | help switch. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 13:29:18 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA02674 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:18 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02658 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:15 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA12359; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:06 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503032129.NAA12359@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: faqs? and perl... To: abraxas@mind.net (heart of the sun) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503032020.MAA05101@one.mind.net> from "heart of the sun" at Mar 3, 95 12:20:51 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 525 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a collection of faqs that deal with maintaining a box running > FreeBSD? If there was, it would be a great help. /usr/share/FAQ on your system > > Also, I am having a problem compiling perl. I noticed that it wasn't in the > ports dist so I assume that there is probably a minimally difficult way to > compile this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. already in 2.0 -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 13:29:18 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA02671 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:18 -0800 Received: (from dima@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA02656; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199503032129.NAA02656@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: screensaver lkms broken To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:29:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: dima@FreeBSD.org, mark@grondar.za, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, sos@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503032106.XAA00441@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 3, 95 11:06:39 pm From: dima@FreeBSD.org (Dima Ruban) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 503 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Murray writes: > > > # Syscons screen saver > > (modstat | grep -q _saver || modload -u -o /tmp/snake_saver_mod -e saver_init > -q /lkm/snake_saver_mod.o) > /dev/null 2>&1 > > > > it's from my rc.local and it works just fine for me ... > > Me too (now!). Thanks! > > PS Soren, the vidcontrol(1) man page lies :-). It still refers to a > -s | help switch. done > > M > > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > -- dima From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 13:45:53 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA03077 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:45:53 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA03071 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:45:48 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id QAA01478; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:43:28 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503032143.QAA01478@hda.com> Subject: Re: scsi changes To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503031957.LAA12029@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 3, 95 11:57:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 569 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > The BOOTFLP kernel will panic in "extend_get" with a zero pointer reference > when sysinstall opens /dev/sd0d on a machine without scsi. Oops. Fixed and committed. Until the fix shows up, I suspect that any open of a non existent SCSI device will panic your system. The fix is to return ENXIO when scsi_device.c:scsi_open() is passed a 0 "scsi_device" pointer. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 13:57:18 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA03279 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:57:18 -0800 Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [198.68.24.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA03272 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:57:16 -0800 Received: from abraxas (abraxas.mind.net [198.68.24.70]) by one.mind.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06435 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:54:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:54:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199503032154.NAA06435@one.mind.net> X-Sender: abraxas@mind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com From: abraxas@mind.net (heart of the sun) Subject: installing FreeBSD 2.0 questions Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I recently hosed the machine that I was running FreeBSD on so I decided to reinstall. I mirrored ftp.cdrom.com which made the install nice and speedy. :) Then I proceeded to go through the install. I used FTP for the distribution medium and everything worked great! When I was done going through install, the machine rebooted and my network didn't come up. I had skipped the network configuration because I assumed that it had already been configured in the process of grabbing the files via ftp. It seems like I need to run the network configuration menu system but I don't see what I should run in /stand to make this happen. I tried '/bin/sh netinst.sh' but it exited without doing anything and on looking at the file, it seems that it was designed to be called by another program. What program should I run to configure the network? Or, should I just edit /etc/* to reflect the correct network settings? Thanks!!!! Alan Laird From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 14:31:08 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA04905 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:31:08 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04899 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:31:06 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id RAA00210; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:28:44 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503032228.RAA00210@hda.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/scsi scsi_driver.c To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:28:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503032141.NAA12454@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 3, 95 01:41:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 962 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > > > dufault 95/03/03 13:38:44 > > > > Modified: sys/scsi scsi_driver.c > > Log: > > Make sure there is a device before opening. Fixes NULL access > > when opening unattached devices. > > > Thanks! Well, your thanks are premature. That first shot was off the cuff - now that I've thought about it that pointer can (well, should) never be NULL - all compiled in the kernel devices are initialized before trying to attach them, and that should initialize those pointers. Plus I can't demonstrate any problems by opening devices I don't have, such as the media changer. There shouldn't be any difference between that and a non-SCSI owner opening sd0d. I'll need a backtrace or a way to reproduce the problem on a system with SCSI devices. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 17:13:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA07803 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:13:41 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA07797 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:13:39 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA13001; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:13:29 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503040113.RAA13001@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/scsi scsi_driver.c To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:13:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503032228.RAA00210@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Mar 3, 95 05:28:44 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 349 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'll need a backtrace or a way to reproduce the problem on a system > with SCSI devices. I have a boot floppy (no debugger in kernel :-( ) that will do it, if you boot -c and disable all your scsi stuff... -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 17:43:13 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA08492 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:43:13 -0800 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08486 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:43:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id KAA11277; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:15:33 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.9/6.4J.5) id JAA00488; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:56:26 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199503040056.JAA00488@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: wassa matter with ppp? To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:56:26 +0900 (JST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503031629.RAA13139@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Mar 3, 95 05:29:43 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 801 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi again, > For several days now I'm unable to compile world since /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp > breaks. (os.c: struct tuninfo info is unknown and TUNSINFO is undefined > as well). I don't think so. You might miss my last mail regarding with this. Latest os.c use a TUNSIFINFO that decleared at if_tun.h. But not TUNSINFO. So I beleive you still have a previous if_tun.h and if_tun.c. Check them and your sup for "sys"!! > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Feb 26 > 20:27:39 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 18:37:34 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA10201 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:37:34 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10195 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:37:33 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07749 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:37:08 -0800 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA07754 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:36:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:36:09 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503040236.SAA07754@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: syscons/blank problem with make world Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 9.8 hours into a make world started after a sup finishing 0831030395 I get the following: ===> lkm/syscons ===> lkm/syscons/blank cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DLKM -I/usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/.. -I/usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/../../../sys -DKERNEL -I/usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/../../sys -W -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -c /usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/blank_saver.c In file included from /usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/../saver.h:9, from /usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/blank_saver.c:38: /usr/src/lkm/syscons/blank/../../../sys/i386/isa/syscons.h:146: field `r_hook' has incomplete type *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. 35171.73 real 13230.95 user 4388.78 sys [1]+ Exit 1 sup.make.all My ibm drive is getting quite a workout... but it refuses to fail, dammit. Russell From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 18:51:26 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA10675 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:51:26 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10669 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:51:23 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA21100 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:50:59 -0801 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA00454; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:50:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:50:07 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503040250.SAA00454@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org, rcarter@geli.com Subject: 3/3 disk perf. slower than 3/1. Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:54:45 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" To: current@freebsd.org Subject: disk performance slower Cc: rcarter Here is updated bonnie output: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 030395 100 2438 83.4 3142 30.2 1466 23.6 2916 91.0 3716 38.6 62.7 7.1 030195 100 2563 91.2 3410 35.3 1513 25.5 2812 88.8 3735 39.4 70.7 8.2 021095 100 3145 96.0 3832 30.9 1630 21.0 3230 95.2 4231 36.8 81.0 7.0 System: P5-90, ncr, IBM 0662 disks, 32 MB. Russell From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 19:20:57 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA11594 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:20:57 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11579; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:20:45 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA20928; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:16:56 +1100 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:16:56 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503040316.OAA20928@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, mark@grondar.za Subject: Re: screensaver lkms broken Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za, sos@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> After the changes to syscons, the screensaver lkm's won't compile anymore. >> It needs apm_bios.h. >This is crazy! I saw the change committed _long_ before the two emails >reporting the error! (The commit mentioned the 'reporters'). >Talk about fast! Too fast to be correct. I saw changes in the following order: 1. bug introduced by exporting goop from syscons.c via syscons.h. 2. bug reported and fixed properly in syscons.h. 3. bug reintroduced in syscons.h. 4. bug reported in saver.h. 5. bug fixed in saver.h. 6. bug reported in saver.h. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 19:35:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA11934 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:35:27 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11928 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:35:21 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA21365 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:32:29 +1100 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:32:29 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503040332.OAA21365@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: backspace now broken Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The backspace key is now mapped to ^? by default, breaking 3 years of 386BSD-FreeBSD tradition and 13 years of tradition. The Del and Delete keys are also mapped to ^?. Ctrl-? doesn't produce ^?. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 20:11:47 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA12819 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:11:47 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA12813 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:11:45 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA05741 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:11:20 -0800 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA14467 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:10:28 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:10:28 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503040410.UAA14467@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: newer ncr pci probe messages Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Running a 030395 system the following shows up as the probe for my scsi drive: ??0(ncr0:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. ncr0 targ 4 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 ncr0 targ 4 lun 0: sd0: sd0(ncr0:4:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 1001MB (2051000 total sec), 4119 cyl, 5 head, 99 sec, bytes/sec 512 It used to look like this: Feb 27 08:43:22 geli /kernel: probe0(ncr0:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. Feb 27 08:43:22 geli /kernel: ncr0 targ 4 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 Feb 27 08:43:22 geli /kernel: ncr0 targ 4 lun 0: Feb 27 08:43:22 geli /kernel: sd0(ncr0:4:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Feb 27 08:43:22 geli /kernel: sd0: 1001MB (2051000 total sec), 4119 cyl, 5 head, 99 sec, bytes/sec 512 Don't know if the '??'s are a problem but I thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Russell From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 21:25:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA15608 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:25:25 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15601 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:25:23 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA22722 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:24:58 -0801 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA14072; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:24:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:24:06 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503040524.VAA14072@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: "feel" of recent systems Cc: rcarter@geli.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello folks, I wonder if anybody has noticed a tad bit of hesitancy in the system since a few days ago. It has revived a little nostalgia in me, since the system I've always thought of as being the very best at running heavy loads: CRI Cray Y-MPs running UNICOS 6.1+, had the same feel; could anybody improving the system comment on their philosophy for doing these changes? Does the overall system throughput improve? Cheers, Russell From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 21:30:11 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA15746 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:30:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA15739; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:30:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 95 14:32:29 +1100." <199503040332.OAA21365@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 21:30:09 -0800 Message-ID: <15738.794295009@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The backspace key is now mapped to ^? by default, breaking 3 years of > 386BSD-FreeBSD tradition and 13 years of tradition. Hmmmm. But it brings back many years of BSD and v7 tradition! I remember when it was ALWAYS DEL on the V7 derived 68K unices (Fortune, Callan, Wicat, Charles River, etc..). I think there are different views of "tradition", Bruce! :-) I endorse this change! Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 21:35:30 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA15931 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:35:30 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA15924 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:35:25 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05934; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:33:50 --800 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:26:53 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Reply-To: Brian Tao Subject: Re: pcvt in -current To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503031912.UAA01425@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII content-length: 1235 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joerg Wunsch wrote... > > One additional hint for this: it will annoy people if you send mails > to both lists. -current is a clear subset of -hackers (semantically: > all `hackers' that run `current'). Oops! Sorry folks! > > Same here, but it would be nice to have VT-220 on the console, > > especially if I can get a 50-line display (which also seems to be broken > > now... "vidcontrol VGA_80x50" no longer works). I just noticed the PCVT > > Does this mean a _syscons_ kernel can no longer load the 50-line > charset? You should report this to -current if it's the case. Right... in my kernel config file: device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr options HARDFONTS options "MAXCONS=8" The only part of -current I'm using right now are the ncr.c and pci.c devices drivers. Everything else is from the 950210 snapshot. 50-line mode, via 'vidcontrol' gives me an "Cannot set videomode: Invalid argument" error, yet that mode is listed in the help screen. Setting the console to 30 lines works, however. Was vidcontrol updated between the 950202 and 950210 snapshots? It used to work for me, before the most recent snapshot. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 21:45:15 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA16183 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:45:15 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16176 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:45:10 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28186; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:45:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA00274; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:44:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199503040544.VAA00274@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Russell L. Carter" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "feel" of recent systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 95 21:24:06 PST." <199503040524.VAA14072@geli.clusternet> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 21:44:58 -0800 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I wonder if anybody has noticed a tad bit of hesitancy in the system >since a few days ago. It has revived a little nostalgia in >me, since the system I've always thought of as being the very best >at running heavy loads: CRI Cray Y-MPs running UNICOS 6.1+, had >the same feel; could anybody improving the system comment >on their philosophy for doing these changes? Does the overall >system throughput improve? There are multiple bugs in several parts of the system that could be causing your specific problem. The NCR driver has been changing, for instance, and this might have something to do with it. ...and of course there are the problems with buffer management/directory caching that we still haven't found an optimal solution for. We always strive to strike the best balance between overall performance and responsiveness...but -current isn't production code, and we make no representations that it is. If you could be more specific about certain kinds of operations that appear slower, this would help us find the problems (I saw your Bonnie results...these really aren't very useful by themselves, however, as they are affected too much by local disk fragmentation). -DG From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 22:49:47 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA17822 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:49:47 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA17816; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:49:42 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA18595; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:48:45 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503040648.WAA18595@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: backspace now broken To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:48:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <15738.794295009@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 3, 95 09:30:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1705 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > The backspace key is now mapped to ^? by default, breaking 3 years of > > 386BSD-FreeBSD tradition and 13 years of tradition. > > Hmmmm. But it brings back many years of BSD and v7 tradition! > > I remember when it was ALWAYS DEL on the V7 derived 68K unices (Fortune, > Callan, Wicat, Charles River, etc..). I think there are different views > of "tradition", Bruce! :-) > > I endorse this change! Why do people always get these things so confused. The ascii code 010 octal or 0x08 or ^H has the name ``backspace''. The IBM PC by tradition and by label on the keyboard ``backspace'' should generate a ^H, doing otherwise is something that should be left to personal preference via syscons keyboard remapping or xmodmap. What code is generated by the key has little to do with what traditionally has been set as the tty erase character. That is why there is a tty erase character! The use of 0177 or 0x7F or ^? as the delete or erase character goes way back before UNIX, it goes back to the ASR 28 TTY's when the key was called ``rubout''. Please folks, we have a delete key and a backspace key on the PC keyboard, they should generate *by default* the correct ascii code for that key. If people like to use ^? for there erase character they should do that remapping privately. This has changed back and forth at least 3 times, probably 4, STOP it is a political and personal issue as to what character you like to use for stty erase! But don't make my keyboard lie by default, this is very confusing. > Jordan -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 22:51:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA17851 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:51:59 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA17845 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:51:58 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA13055 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:51:32 -0800 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA18979 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:50:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:50:40 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503040650.WAA18979@geli.clusternet> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "feel" of recent systems Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:03:09 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" To: davidg@Root.COM Subject: Re: "feel" of recent systems |From: David Greenman |Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM |Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 21:44:58 -0800 |Sender: root@corbin.Root.COM | |>I wonder if anybody has noticed a tad bit of hesitancy in the system |>since a few days ago. It has revived a little nostalgia in |>me, since the system I've always thought of as being the very best |>at running heavy loads: CRI Cray Y-MPs running UNICOS 6.1+, had |>the same feel; could anybody improving the system comment |>on their philosophy for doing these changes? Does the overall |>system throughput improve? | | There are multiple bugs in several parts of the system that could be |causing your specific problem. The NCR driver has been changing, for instance, #1, the hesitancy is *not* a problem. (IMHO) |and this might have something to do with it. ...and of course there are the |problems with buffer management/directory caching that we still haven't found |an optimal solution for. We always strive to strike the best balance between |overall performance and responsiveness...but -current isn't production code, #2, Who claimed it was, or ever should be? I take jkh's representations to heart. |and we make no representations that it is. If you could be more specific |about certain kinds of operations that appear slower, this would help us #3, (This will come off the wrong way, but damn the torpedos:) Use the system dammit, and you'll notice the delays... |find the problems (I saw your Bonnie results...these really aren't very |useful by themselves, however, as they are affected too much by local disk |fragmentation). #4, Wrong! Nothing personal intended!!!!!! I've used these on a couple of dozen systems, running a lot of different unices, and if they had susceptibilities I would smoke them out myself. I have absolutely nothing to gain by using inaccurate tools. If you're trying to say the scsi system isn't moderately broken, performance wise, since the 021095-SNAP, I'd really like to know why. Regards, Russell From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 23:26:02 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA18272 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:26:02 -0800 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (bakul@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18266; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:26:01 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id XAA06567; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:25:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199503040725.XAA06567@netcom10.netcom.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Bruce Evans , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 95 21:30:09 PST." <15738.794295009@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 23:25:23 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I remember when it was ALWAYS DEL on the V7 derived 68K unices (Fortune, > Callan, Wicat, Charles River, etc..). I think there are different views > of "tradition", Bruce! :-) How soon they forget. Fortune had a separate DEL key; the backspace key mapped to ^H. Also, almost every terminal (remember those?!) in use atleast until early eighties sent ^H when you presed the backspace key. Only recently (in the last year) I gave up the battle and switched to using ^C and my interrupt char. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 23:34:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA18324 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:34:56 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18318 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:34:51 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA28332; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:34:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA00315; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:34:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199503040734.XAA00315@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Russell L. Carter" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "feel" of recent systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 95 22:03:09 PST." <199503040603.WAA18138@geli.clusternet> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 23:34:41 -0800 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >| There are multiple bugs in several parts of the system that could be >|causing your specific problem. The NCR driver has been changing, for instance, > >#1, the hesitancy is *not* a problem. (IMHO) Well, I think unexplained hesitancies are a problem. If they're caused by known and acceptable reasons, then that's fine. ...but I'd be a poor kernel developer if I overlooked anomolous behavior caused by unknown reasons. >|and this might have something to do with it. ...and of course there are the >|problems with buffer management/directory caching that we still haven't found >|an optimal solution for. We always strive to strike the best balance between >|overall performance and responsiveness...but -current isn't production code, > >#2, Who claimed it was, or ever should be? I take jkh's representations > to heart. The above was in response to the "could anyone improving the system comment on their philosophy for doing these changes? Does the overall system throughput improve?" pseudo flamebait. This is a leading question and suggests that we intentionally "improve" the system by making it perform worse. This of course is silly. In the past few days I've personally been very concerned about system stability - there were serious bugs in vfs_bio.c and vfs_cluster.c that would cause the machine to hang. There may still be bugs - but performance decreasing or not, these changes are required if you want the system to run longer than a few hours. >|and we make no representations that it is. If you could be more specific >|about certain kinds of operations that appear slower, this would help us > >#3, (This will come off the wrong way, but damn the torpedos:) > Use the system dammit, and you'll notice the delays... I could go into a long description about the extensive testing that I do here on multiple machines...on how I've spent over a 100 hours of time just in the past few weeks doing various forms of load testing and analysis...but instead I'll answer this with "I do". I've noticed slowdowns only during certain tests - and then only with certain configurations of memory. I don't know how much memory your machine has, but it appears that the worst case is about 16MB of RAM. The machine I do most of the FreeBSD development on has 64MB...and I haven't noticed any problems in that case. >|find the problems (I saw your Bonnie results...these really aren't very >|useful by themselves, however, as they are affected too much by local disk >|fragmentation). > >#4, Wrong! Nothing personal intended!!!!!! > >I've used these on a couple of dozen systems, running a lot of different >unices, and if they had susceptibilities I would smoke them out myself. >I have absolutely nothing to gain by using inaccurate tools. Indeed, it's always important to use the right tools. The primary problem that we have been trying to solve has to do with faulty algorithms for directory and metadata caching. There are some severe problems with directory cache buffers getting flushed out by 'VMIO' buffers. Something seems to cause the directory cache to shrink and then stay small. This doesn't happen all the time, and seems to be triggered by specific events. This obviously has nothing to do with linear or random disk access which the Bonnie benchmark tests. This aside, Bonnie (and any test of sequential disk access) is often skewed by filesystem fragmentation and unless it is run on a freshly newfs'd filesystem, it isn't a very good measure of a system's throughput capability. >If you're trying to say the scsi system isn't moderately broken, performance >wise, since the 021095-SNAP, I'd really like to know why. I'm not saying this at all. It may very well be the case that the NCR driver isn't performing as it should be - perhaps Stefan Esser might be able to say something about this. I suppose my only point in all of this is that it is too soon to be complaining about the day-to-day performance differences of -current. I admit that there are problems, and I promise to do what I can to resolve them...we won't release 2.1 until this has been fixed. I might also add that John Dyson (the author of vfs_bio.c and parts of vfs_cluster.c) has put a lot of time into solving the performance problems. He was called out of town on emergency business yesterday and won't be able to continue working on this until sometime late next week. Just before he left, he came up with a set of changes which are thought to solve the problem...the only hitch is that during the testing his root filesystem was corrupted. I can send you these "fixes" if you'd like. :-) I've become ill in the past two days (cold or flu), but if I'm not feeling too bad tomorrow, I may work on this some. I'd be happy to include you in testing if you're interested (and if I come up with something). -DG From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 23:47:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA18412 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:47:59 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18406; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:47:55 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA28353; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:47:30 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA00336; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:47:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199503040747.XAA00336@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), bde@zeta.org.au, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 95 22:48:45 PST." <199503040648.WAA18595@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 23:47:27 -0800 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Please folks, we have a delete key and a backspace key on the PC keyboard, >they should generate *by default* the correct ascii code for that key. If >people like to use ^? for there erase character they should do that remapping >privately. > >This has changed back and forth at least 3 times, probably 4, STOP it is >a political and personal issue as to what character you like to use for >stty erase! But don't make my keyboard lie by default, this is very >confusing. I agree with Rod. People expect backspace to generate a backspace. I admit that this makes it a pain to work on DEC systems that don't like backspace, and that VT100 family terminals generate 'delete' for that key...but that's less important than consistency. Backspace should generate backspace and delete should generate delete. -DG From owner-freebsd-current Fri Mar 3 23:53:35 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA18472 for current-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:53:35 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18466 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:53:30 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16245; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:50:55 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id IAA00817 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:50:55 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA02583 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:09:05 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503040709.IAA02583@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: backspace now broken To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:09:04 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199503040332.OAA21365@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 4, 95 02:32:29 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 809 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > The backspace key is now mapped to ^? by default, breaking 3 years of > 386BSD-FreeBSD tradition and 13 years of tradition. I disagree. It breaks less than one year of FreeBSD tradition (where it bothered several people in the meantime). FreeBSD switched to syscons as default console driver with version 1.1.5.1 (June '94). The previous default driver pccons, as well as pcvt used ^? as delete character all the time, and that's also what is our default terminal setting (i.e., you'll need an explicit stty for everything else). Btw., BS used to give you a ^H (and does now also for syscons), as well as H. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 00:10:28 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA18725 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:10:28 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA18719 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:10:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA03149; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:06:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199503040806.AAA03149@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Russell L. Carter" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "feel" of recent systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 1995 22:50:40 PST." <199503040650.WAA18979@geli.clusternet> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 00:06:29 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:03:09 -0800 >From: "Russell L. Carter" >To: davidg@Root.COM >Subject: Re: "feel" of recent systems > >|From: David Greenman >|Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM >|Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 21:44:58 -0800 >|Sender: root@corbin.Root.COM >| >|>I wonder if anybody has noticed a tad bit of hesitancy in the system >|>since a few days ago. It has revived a little nostalgia in >|>me, since the system I've always thought of as being the very best >|>at running heavy loads: CRI Cray Y-MPs running UNICOS 6.1+, had >|>the same feel; could anybody improving the system comment >|>on their philosophy for doing these changes? Does the overall >|>system throughput improve? >| >| There are multiple bugs in several parts of the system that could be >|causing your specific problem. The NCR driver has been changing, for instance >, > >#1, the hesitancy is *not* a problem. (IMHO) > >|and this might have something to do with it. ...and of course there are the >|problems with buffer management/directory caching that we still haven't found >|an optimal solution for. We always strive to strike the best balance between >|overall performance and responsiveness...but -current isn't production code, > >#2, Who claimed it was, or ever should be? I take jkh's representations > to heart. > >|and we make no representations that it is. If you could be more specific >|about certain kinds of operations that appear slower, this would help us > >#3, (This will come off the wrong way, but damn the torpedos:) > Use the system dammit, and you'll notice the delays... I think you missed David's point. You may be using the system in different ways or with different devices than David or any other developer. What are you doing when you notice the delays? Thats all that he is asking. >|find the problems (I saw your Bonnie results...these really aren't very >|useful by themselves, however, as they are affected too much by local disk >|fragmentation). > >#4, Wrong! Nothing personal intended!!!!!! > >I've used these on a couple of dozen systems, running a lot of different >unices, and if they had susceptibilities I would smoke them out myself. >I have absolutely nothing to gain by using inaccurate tools. You missed the point again. Bonnie is not perfect. It is affected by local disk fragmentation as David says above. You're Bonnie output is not enough for anyone to pick out exactly what is causing your problem because it can be biased. A more reproduceable benchmark that does not depend on disk, controller, fragmentation, etc is what is needed. >If you're trying to say the scsi system isn't moderately broken, performance >wise, since the 021095-SNAP, I'd really like to know why. I don't see why you think this is his attitude. He clearly says that there are many bugs on the stack that are being worked on. My oppinion is that you are seeing what John Dyson calls the "chatter" bug. It has to do with poorly caching filesystem meta-data. This is not a SCSI system specific problem and if you actively read -current, you should have heard all about it. > >Regards, >Russell > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 00:23:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA18882 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:23:52 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA18872 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:23:33 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16652; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:20:28 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id JAA00961 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:20:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA00523 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:11:10 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503040811.JAA00523@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: backspace now broken To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:11:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199503040648.WAA18595@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 3, 95 10:48:45 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2313 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To avoid any political wars, this will be my last posting to this subject. I'd kindly ask all people replying to kill me out of the Cc list -- it's enough that i get it from the list. As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > ... The IBM PC by tradition and by > label on the keyboard ``backspace'' should generate a ^H, doing otherwise > is something that should be left to personal preference via syscons keyboard > remapping or xmodmap. My keyboards do not have any keys labelled ``Backspace'', they all have a big and easy to find key top-right labelled ``<--''. This implies that most people will hit this key when they intend to delete the character last typed. > What code is generated by the key has little to do with what traditionally > has been set as the tty erase character. No, people mostly don't expect that key to generate any particular code (why should they bother with any numerical codes?), they simply expect it to delete something (instead of printing ^H when pressing it). Since our terminal settings have always been erase=^? by default (and a majority here seems to agree with this), it's stupid to map the key most people prefer when erasing text to something else than the tty erase char. > This has changed back and forth at least 3 times, probably 4,... I can remember only one change: the move to syscons. All other console drivers have been using DEL consistently. I even checked the CVS source for kbdtables.h, syscons did never change it (at least, there's no log message saying so) until now. So we are now *consistent* again. SysV's tend to use erase=^H, yes, but don't forget: they also use intr=^? -- so do you wanna change this, too? (But then again, that's the reason why they map the big grey key to ^H, since their users also use it to erase text.) All this ^?/^H/^C hick-hack has been bothering me for a long time. I really *hate* those folks who once broke the consistency back in very old days! Now, there will be always a need to stty something when logging in back and forth across several systems... But please, at least for the own system, keep the default stty settings consistent with the keyboard mapping. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 00:46:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA19482 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:46:59 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19474 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:46:54 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA18800 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:45:58 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503040845.AAA18800@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: backspace now broken To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:45:57 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503040811.JAA00523@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 4, 95 09:11:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3828 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > To avoid any political wars, this will be my last posting to this > subject. I'd kindly ask all people replying to kill me out of the > Cc list -- it's enough that i get it from the list. I set the Reply to: to be freebsd-current. > As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > ... The IBM PC by tradition and by > > label on the keyboard ``backspace'' should generate a ^H, doing otherwise > > is something that should be left to personal preference via syscons keyboard > > remapping or xmodmap. > > My keyboards do not have any keys labelled ``Backspace'', they all > have a big and easy to find key top-right labelled ``<--''. This > implies that most people will hit this key when they intend to delete > the character last typed. Okay, some keyboards do just have the <-- on that key, but many also have the word ``backspace'' or ``<-- backspace'' printed on the key. I have never seen a PC keyboard with that key labeled ``delete''. > > What code is generated by the key has little to do with what traditionally > > has been set as the tty erase character. > > No, people mostly don't expect that key to generate any particular > code (why should they bother with any numerical codes?), they simply > expect it to delete something (instead of printing ^H when pressing > it). Since our terminal settings have always been erase=^? by default > (and a majority here seems to agree with this), it's stupid to map the > key most people prefer when erasing text to something else than the > tty erase char. Our terminal settings have not always been erase=^?: cvs rlog /usr/src/etc/root/dot.login (1.1.5 cvs repository): ---------------------------- revision 1.5 date: 1994/06/15 22:58:47; author: jkh; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 Since we're using syscons now, make ^H the backspace character by default (ack ack, evil evil, but easier than changing syscons at this late hour). ---------------------------- ... ---------------------------- revision 1.2 date: 1993/08/31 14:38:58; author: rgrimes; state: Exp; lines: +1 -1 Changed stty erase ^H to stty erase ^?. ---------------------------- It was also flipped once back and forth during the patch kit days!! > > > This has changed back and forth at least 3 times, probably 4,... > > I can remember only one change: the move to syscons. All other > console drivers have been using DEL consistently. I even checked the > CVS source for kbdtables.h, syscons did never change it (at least, > there's no log message saying so) until now. So we are now > *consistent* again. Trust me, I can go dig it out from the patchkit where it was flipped, and with the above flip that makes atleast 3 times it was changed. > SysV's tend to use erase=^H, yes, but don't forget: they also use > intr=^? -- so do you wanna change this, too? (But then again, that's > the reason why they map the big grey key to ^H, since their users also > use it to erase text.) I don't give a sh*t about what OS does what with what character, I care that FreeBSD generates the ascii code for the legend on most if not all keyboards. > All this ^?/^H/^C hick-hack has been bothering me for a long time. I > really *hate* those folks who once broke the consistency back in very > old days! Now, there will be always a need to stty something when > logging in back and forth across several systems... But please, at > least for the own system, keep the default stty settings consistent > with the keyboard mapping. We are confusing stty settings with keyboard key cap to code mapping, this is the pit fall that has caused us to switch this back and forth. There are other tid bits in this thread that already elaborate on it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 01:58:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA21056 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 01:58:36 -0800 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21046 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 01:58:34 -0800 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111109-1>; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 01:57:50 -0800 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA21732 for jkh@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:57:44 PST To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 1995 21:30:09 PST." <15738.794295009@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 01:57:42 -0800 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Mar4.015750pst.111109-1@aero.org> Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I endorse this change! For what it's worth, as a former member of the Berkeley/DARPA Steering Committee, I do not. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 03:25:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA23245 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:25:19 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA23239 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:25:14 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id GAA16912; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 06:22:44 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503041122.GAA16912@hda.com> Subject: Re: newer ncr pci probe messages To: rcarter@geli.com (Russell L. Carter) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 06:22:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503040410.UAA14467@geli.clusternet> from "Russell L. Carter" at Mar 3, 95 08:10:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1381 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Russell L. Carter writes: > > > Running a 030395 system the following shows up as the probe for my > scsi drive: > > ??0(ncr0:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. > ncr0 targ 4 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 > ncr0 targ 4 lun 0: > sd0: sd0(ncr0:4:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. > 1001MB (2051000 total sec), 4119 cyl, 5 head, 99 sec, bytes/sec 512 (...) > > Don't know if the '??'s are a problem but I thought I'd let you know. That is a gratuitous change that I can change back to probe. If everything used the "print address" routine the message would come out like: > probe0(ncr0:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. > probe0(ncr0:4:0): type 0 Direct-Acess fixed SCSI2 > probe0(ncr0:4:0): > sd0(ncr0:4:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. > 1001MB (2051000 total sec), 4119 cyl, 5 head, 99 sec, bytes/sec 512 I just liked the way things lined up better: > ??0(ncr0:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. > ??0(ncr0:4:0): type 0 Direct-Acess fixed SCSI2 > ??0(ncr0:4:0): > sd0(ncr0:4:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. > 1001MB (2051000 total sec), 4119 cyl, 5 head, 99 sec, bytes/sec 512 -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 04:36:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA28047 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 04:36:49 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA28041 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 04:36:47 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id HAA15836 for FreeBSD.org!freebsd-current; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 07:36:50 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id HAA07031; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 07:35:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 07:35:58 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503041235.HAA07031@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: FreeBSD.org!freebsd-current@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: backspace now broken Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I agree very strongly with Rod in this debate. The PC keyboard has two keys: "<-" and "Delete". When I walk up to such a keyboard, I expect "<-" to generate 0x8 and "Delete" to generate 0x3f. This is true regardless of what I have expected various VT100-like keyboards on Un*x systems to do during the past 20 years. Please restore the old behavior. - Gene From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 04:51:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA28202 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 04:51:19 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA28196; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 04:51:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10031; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:50:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199503041250.OAA10031@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans cc: current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/etc.i386 MAKEDEV Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 14:50:40 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi How would those of us still using the 'old system' (non-sliced) change over without burning our disks? (changing fstab is easy enough, I just need to know what to bung in the kernel, and how to reboot with the new system etc..) Thanks! > bde 95/03/04 04:22:16 > > Modified: etc/etc.i386 MAKEDEV > Log: > For sd, vn and wd: > > Support sliced devices better. E.g.: > `sh MAKEDEV sd0' creates [r]sd0 and [r]sd0s[1-4] as well as [r]sd0[a-h] > (the extra devices created by default won't hurt apart from wasting inodes) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 05:12:34 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA28417 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 05:12:34 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA28411; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 05:12:15 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA04514; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 00:03:23 +1100 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 00:03:23 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503041303.AAA04514@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@freefall.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/etc.i386 MAKEDEV Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >How would those of us still using the 'old system' (non-sliced) change over >without burning our disks? >(changing fstab is easy enough, I just need to know what to bung in the >kernel, and how to reboot with the new system etc..) Wait until the driver support for slices are in the tree. I booted the 2.0R kernel and it had few problems with my current disk labels and fstab. Only the mount of the DOS partition failed. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 05:52:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA29015 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 05:52:59 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA29008 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 05:52:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11129; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:52:01 +0200 Message-Id: <199503041352.PAA11129@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) cc: current@FreeBSD.org, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: backspace now broken Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 15:52:01 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I agree very strongly with Rod in this debate. > > The PC keyboard has two keys: "<-" and "Delete". When I walk up to such > a keyboard, I expect "<-" to generate 0x8 and "Delete" to generate 0x3f. (er, 0x7f??) > This is true regardless of what I have expected various VT100-like > keyboards on Un*x systems to do during the past 20 years. > > Please restore the old behavior. I also agree with this. But _PUHLEEEZE_ make the default state of the console (as reported by stty) agree with this! Having a key whose default (brain) behaviour is not the default (action) behaviour is a big pain. :-) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 09:03:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA03103 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:03:19 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA03095 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:03:16 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA15662 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:58:22 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:58:21 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA00644; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:59:09 +0300 To: davidg@Root.COM, "Rodney W. Grimes" , S0ren Schmidt Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, current@FreeBSD.org, "Jordan K. Hubbard" References: <199503040747.XAA00336@corbin.Root.COM> In-Reply-To: <199503040747.XAA00336@corbin.Root.COM>; from David Greenman at Fri, 03 Mar 1995 23:47:27 -0800 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:59:08 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.32 FreeBSD] From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) Lines: 47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2116 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199503040747.XAA00336@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman writes: >>Please folks, we have a delete key and a backspace key on the PC keyboard, >>they should generate *by default* the correct ascii code for that key. If >>people like to use ^? for there erase character they should do that remapping >>privately. >> >>This has changed back and forth at least 3 times, probably 4, STOP it is >>a political and personal issue as to what character you like to use for >>stty erase! But don't make my keyboard lie by default, this is very >>confusing. > I agree with Rod. People expect backspace to generate a backspace. I admit >that this makes it a pain to work on DEC systems that don't like backspace, >and that VT100 family terminals generate 'delete' for that key...but that's >less important than consistency. Backspace should generate backspace and >delete should generate delete. I agree with Rod and DG. Moreover, I already change russian keymap to generate ^H, but IMHO it needs to be default case. I have following proposal: Backspace -> ^H Keypad Del, (NumLock off) -> 0x7F Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K It is key space waste to have three 0x7F on one keyboard especially if 0x7F not used at all. Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. this key implements 'delete under cursor' function as opposite 'delete before cursor' Del meaning. This function well supported by ncurses & dialog and can be very useful into many applications for line editing purposes (russian keymap already do in that way). I dislike degradation of this key to Del too. All that I say is my point of view on _default_ behaviour. Because too many opinions exists, all three keys need to be at least programmable, so you can set what you like by simple kbdcontrol. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 09:17:21 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA03617 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:17:21 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA03610 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:17:18 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA29062; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:17:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA01010; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:17:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 95 19:59:08 +0300." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 09:17:03 -0800 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K ... >Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. This would really confuse people. It would especially mess up my own use of the key. It needs to stay 'delete'. -DG From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 10:01:06 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA04924 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:01:06 -0800 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA04918 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:01:04 -0800 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111161-2>; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:00:21 -0800 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA25989 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Mar 95 10:00:06 PST To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 1995 04:35:58 PST." <199503041235.HAA07031@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:00:04 -0800 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Mar4.100021pst.111161-2@aero.org> Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gene Stark says: > The PC keyboard has two keys: "<-" and "Delete". When I walk up to such > a keyboard, I expect "<-" to generate 0x8 and "Delete" to generate 0x3f. I'm in agreement on this one, as I've said. Thinking it over last night, I realized that others feel equally passionately the other way - their keyboards seem saner to them after this change. Using kernel calls to change single key mappings smacks to me of special pleading and bad design. I would suggest that it might make sense to be able to switch between entire well- publicized key mapping tables, something like the Microsoft "code pages". Plan Nine, out of Bell Labs, which could logically be regarded as the successor to UNIX, is now a Unicode system, with 16-bit characters. I certainly don't suggest we go that far, but a selection of well-chosen key mapping tables would go far to satisfy the needs of the international community, which in the absence of ISO character set capability has gone over to remapping the ASCII character set to a variety of national character sets. Just a suggestion. I do know that on my system, the Backspace key is going to generate ASCII 0x08. I'd prefer to do this via a judicious call in /etc/rc.boot rather than by changing the kernel source with every release. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 10:14:11 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA05167 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:14:11 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA05161; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:14:08 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA26295 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:06:54 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:06:54 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA01179; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:07:44 +0300 To: current@FreeBSD.org, David Greenman , dyson@FreeBSD.org Cc: Andy Vasiliev Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:07:43 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.32 FreeBSD] From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Msync() is double broken Lines: 182 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4705 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here small test program to demonstrate two bugs with msync: 1) msync(..., 0) is broken 2) msync() don't update file times, as manpage sayd: The msync system call writes any modified pages back to the filesystem and updates the file modification time. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------- cut here ---------------------------- #include #include #include #include #include static char ICDactpath[] = "testfile"; static char *ICDactpointer; static int ICDactfd; static int ICDactsize; #if defined(MAP_FILE) #define MAP__ARG (MAP_FILE | MAP_SHARED) #else #define MAP__ARG (MAP_SHARED) #endif /* defined(MAP_FILE) */ char * ICDread() { struct stat Sb; int i; if ((ICDactfd = open(ICDactpath, O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC|O_CREAT, 0666)) < 0) { perror("open"); fprintf(stderr, "read: cant open %s\n", ICDactpath); exit(1); } for (i = 0; i < 7; i++) write(ICDactfd, "1234567890", 10); if (close(ICDactfd) < 0) { perror("close"); fprintf(stderr, "Close: cant close %s\n", ICDactpath); exit(1); } if ((ICDactfd = open(ICDactpath, O_RDWR)) < 0) { perror("open"); fprintf(stderr, "read: cant open %s\n", ICDactpath); exit(1); } if (fstat(ICDactfd, &Sb) < 0) { perror("fstat"); fprintf(stderr, "read: cant fstat %d %s\n", ICDactfd, ICDactpath); exit(1); } ICDactsize = Sb.st_size; ICDactpointer = mmap((caddr_t)0, ICDactsize, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP__ARG, ICDactfd, (off_t)0); if (ICDactpointer == (char *)-1) { perror("mmap"); fprintf(stderr, "read: cant mmap %d %s\n", ICDactfd, ICDactpath); exit(1); } return ICDactpointer; } ICDclose() { if (ICDactpointer) { if (msync(ICDactpointer, ICDactsize) < 0) { perror("msync"); fprintf(stderr, "Close: cant msync %s in closeactive()\n", ICDactpath); } if (munmap(ICDactpointer, ICDactsize) < 0) { perror("munmap"); fprintf(stderr, "Close: cant munmap\n", ICDactpath); } ICDactpointer = NULL; if (close(ICDactfd) < 0) { perror("close"); fprintf(stderr, "Close: cant close %s\n", ICDactpath); exit(1); } } } ICDwrite() { /* No-op. */ /* ICDactsize */ if (msync(ICDactpointer, 0) < 0) { perror("msync"); fprintf(stderr, "Write: cant msync %s\n", ICDactpath); } } spy() { system("cat testfile; echo; ls -l testfile"); } main() { char *file_p; int to_sleep = 2; file_p = ICDread(); fprintf(stderr, "Original file and time\n"); spy(); *(file_p + 20) = '\n'; #if 0 fprintf(stderr, "After 1st write to mapped region\n"); spy(); #endif sleep(to_sleep); *(file_p + 30) = '\n'; #if 0 fprintf(stderr, "After 2nd write to mapped region and sleep()\n"); spy(); #endif ICDwrite(); fprintf(stderr, "After msync(..., 0)\n"); spy(); sleep(to_sleep); ICDclose(); fprintf(stderr, "After sleep(), msync(..., size) and close()\n"); spy(); unlink(ICDactpath); } ---------------------------------- cut here ---------------------------- Here FreeBSD 1.x results: Original file and time 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 -rw-rw-r-- 1 ache 70 Mar 4 20:50 testfile After msync(..., 0) 12345678901234567890 234567890 234567890123456789012345678901234567890 -rw-rw-r-- 1 ache 70 Mar 4 20:50 testfile After sleep(), msync(..., size) and close() 12345678901234567890 234567890 234567890123456789012345678901234567890 -rw-rw-r-- 1 ache 70 Mar 4 20:50 testfile As you can see, msync(..., 0) works, but modification times _not_ updated. It can affects some programs which expects it. Here FreeBSD-current results (even worse): Original file and time 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 -rw-r--r-- 1 ache wheel 70 Mar 4 20:50 testfile msync: Invalid argument Write: cant msync testfile After msync(..., 0) 12345678901234567890 234567890 234567890123456789012345678901234567890 -rw-r--r-- 1 ache wheel 70 Mar 4 20:50 testfile After sleep(), msync(..., size) and close() 12345678901234567890 234567890 234567890123456789012345678901234567890 -rw-r--r-- 1 ache wheel 70 Mar 4 20:50 testfile As you can see, msync(..., 0) works, but returns -1 and EINVAL in -current. File modification times not updated too. Any ideas how to fight it? -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 10:22:45 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA05360 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:22:45 -0800 Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (gilmore.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.168]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA05354 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:22:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03545; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:21:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199503041821.KAA03545@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov> Reply-To: Dave Tweten To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Subject: Re: backspace now broken Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 10:21:14 -0800 From: Dave Tweten Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joerg Wunsch writes: >FreeBSD switched to >syscons as default console driver with version 1.1.5.1 (June '94). >The previous default driver pccons, as well as pcvt used ^? as delete >character all the time, and that's also what is our default terminal >setting (i.e., you'll need an explicit stty for everything else). I'm glad you've brought this up. Since forever, I've been a satisfied pccons user, with one infuriating exception. Every time I get a new version of FreeBSD, I have to find, edit, and recompile some dumb file in pccons to make it generate an ASCII BS (Backspace, ^H, \010, 0x08, whatever) for the key labeled (guess what) Backspace! Please don't continue this idiocy! Honesty and simplicity are the best policies! Keys labeled "Backspace" should generate (guess what) Backspace! From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 10:24:30 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA05434 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:24:30 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA05428 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:24:27 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA27996 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:18:19 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:18:18 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA01267; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:15:57 +0300 To: davidg@Root.COM Cc: current@FreeBSD.org References: <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> In-Reply-To: <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM>; from David Greenman at Sat, 04 Mar 1995 09:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:15:57 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.32 FreeBSD] From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1042 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman writes: >>Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K >... >>Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. > This would really confuse people. It would especially mess up my own use of >the key. It needs to stay 'delete'. I remember from your prev message (correct me if it isn't right) that you have Delete key above Backspace key. I mean _another_ Delete, under Insert key. Did them produce different keycodes for you or just the same? BTW, yet one argument for Backspace==^H: all modems require ^H to edit command line, some of them have it like programmable char, but some of them not, so 0x7F becomes real pain for all dialout users. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 10:34:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA05791 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:34:41 -0800 Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (gilmore.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.168]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA05781 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:34:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03581; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:35:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199503041835.KAA03581@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov> Reply-To: Dave Tweten To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Subject: Re: backspace now broken Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 10:35:12 -0800 From: Dave Tweten Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joerg Wunsch writes: >... people mostly don't expect that key to generate any particular >code (why should they bother with any numerical codes?), they simply >expect it to delete something (instead of printing ^H when pressing >it). On the contrary, since the original IBM PC keyboard, I have never used one that doesn't have both "<--" and either "Backspace" or "Back Space" printed on it. >SysV's tend to use erase=^H, yes, but don't forget: they also use >intr=^? -- so do you wanna change this, too? (But then again, that's >the reason why they map the big grey key to ^H, since their users also >use it to erase text.) None of the above matters a bit to the issue of honest character code generation. Choose what you want. That's what .cshrc or .prolog and stty are for. Continuing to generate a code different from the name on the key only confuses people trying to set up stty and other code-function mappings. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 10:36:08 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA05836 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:36:08 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA05830 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:36:05 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29183; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:35:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA01066; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:35:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199503041835.KAA01066@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 95 21:15:57 +0300." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 10:35:52 -0800 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In message <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman > writes: > >>>Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K >>... >>>Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. > >> This would really confuse people. It would especially mess up my own use of >>the key. It needs to stay 'delete'. > >I remember from your prev message (correct me if it isn't right) that you have >Delete key above Backspace key. I mean _another_ Delete, under Insert key. >Did them produce different keycodes for you or just the same? No - I didn't say that. I said that backspace should be backspace (8) and that delete should be delete (0x7f). I don't much care about the keypad delete as I don't use it - but the delete below insert I use a lot...and this needs to generate 0x7f. -DG From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 11:02:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06553 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:02:41 -0800 Received: from irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA06547 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:02:38 -0800 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27697 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:02:21 -0500 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199503041902.OAA27697@irbs.com> Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-current) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:02:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Mar 4, 95 09:15:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1370 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage writes: > > In message <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman > writes: > > >>Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K > >... > >>Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. > > > This would really confuse people. It would especially mess up my own use of > >the key. It needs to stay 'delete'. > > I remember from your prev message (correct me if it isn't right) that you have > Delete key above Backspace key. I mean _another_ Delete, under Insert key. > Did them produce different keycodes for you or just the same? > > BTW, yet one argument for Backspace==^H: all modems require ^H > to edit command line, some of them have it like programmable char, > but some of them not, so 0x7F becomes real pain for all dialout users. Hold down the CONTROL key and type H if your software is not capable of mapping the hardware to what the modem wants. As most others have said: Backspace key ---> 0x08, ^H Delete key ---> 0x7F, ^? PLEASE!!!!!! > -- > Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, > ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - > FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. > RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 > -- John Capo From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 11:05:35 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06655 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:05:35 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA06649 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:05:32 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA04374 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 22:02:44 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 4 Mar 95 22:02:43 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA01444; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 22:04:17 +0300 To: davidg@Root.COM Cc: current@FreeBSD.org References: <199503041835.KAA01066@corbin.Root.COM> In-Reply-To: <199503041835.KAA01066@corbin.Root.COM>; from David Greenman at Sat, 04 Mar 1995 10:35:52 -0800 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 22:04:17 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.32 FreeBSD] From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) Lines: 34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1347 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199503041835.KAA01066@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman writes: >>In message <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman >> writes: >> >>>>Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K >>>... >>>>Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. >> >>> This would really confuse people. It would especially mess up my own use of >>>the key. It needs to stay 'delete'. >> >>I remember from your prev message (correct me if it isn't right) that you have >>Delete key above Backspace key. I mean _another_ Delete, under Insert key. >>Did them produce different keycodes for you or just the same? > No - I didn't say that. I said that backspace should be backspace (8) and >that delete should be delete (0x7f). I don't much care about the keypad delete >as I don't use it - but the delete below insert I use a lot...and this needs >to generate 0x7f. Ok, maybe following scheme will fit: Backspace -> ^H Grey Keypad Delete -> 0x7F Numeric Keypad Del (if NumLock off) -> ESC [ K any objections? -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 11:14:21 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06961 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:14:21 -0800 Received: from irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA06955 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:14:17 -0800 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28140 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:14:06 -0500 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199503041914.OAA28140@irbs.com> Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-current) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:14:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199503041835.KAA01066@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 4, 95 10:35:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1172 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman writes: > > >In message <199503041717.JAA01010@corbin.Root.COM> David Greenman > > writes: > > > >>>Grey Delete (near Insert and such) -> ESC [ K > >>... > >>>Few words about Grey Delete: many years of PC tradition DOS/Windows/OS-2/etc. > > > >> This would really confuse people. It would especially mess up my own use of > >>the key. It needs to stay 'delete'. > > > >I remember from your prev message (correct me if it isn't right) that you have > >Delete key above Backspace key. I mean _another_ Delete, under Insert key. > >Did them produce different keycodes for you or just the same? > > No - I didn't say that. I said that backspace should be backspace (8) and > that delete should be delete (0x7f). I don't much care about the keypad delete > as I don't use it - but the delete below insert I use a lot...and this needs > to generate 0x7f. And I never use the one below the insert key, I use the one on the keypad. All of the keys marked DELETE should generate the same thing. Other mappings can be done with kbdcontrol. Some keyboards only have one DELETE key. Who chooses what the keyboard should generate for that one? John Capo From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 11:51:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA07575 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:51:41 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA07569 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:51:38 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29295; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:51:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA00631; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:51:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199503041951.LAA00631@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 95 22:04:17 +0300." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 11:51:23 -0800 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Ok, maybe following scheme will fit: > >Backspace -> ^H >Grey Keypad Delete -> 0x7F >Numeric Keypad Del (if NumLock off) -> ESC [ K > >any objections? None from me. -DG From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 11:51:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA07562 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:51:27 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA07556; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:51:26 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA15352; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:50:01 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503041950.LAA15352@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: backspace now broken To: obrien@antares.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:50:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <95Mar4.015750pst.111109-1@aero.org> from "Mike O'Brien" at Mar 4, 95 01:57:42 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 282 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I endorse this change! > > For what it's worth, as a former member of the > Berkeley/DARPA Steering Committee, I do not. Neither do I. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 11:52:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA07636 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:52:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA07629; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:52:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: davidg@Root.COM cc: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 95 10:35:52 PST." <199503041835.KAA01066@corbin.Root.COM> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 11:52:53 -0800 Message-ID: <7628.794346773@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I find myself swayed by the arguments here. I withdraw my endorsement and switch to the "backspace should be ^H" camp. HOWEVER. I would like to do so with the following stipulation: We make it a priority of the 2.1 installation that SOME way of selecting from canned keymaps (including a / and / swapped version of the standard US keyboard) be provided at installation time, and that this keymap also having the option of becoming the new *default* (it could be placed in /etc/rc.local automatically). I will try to work something up. Any suggestions on *squeezing* the data files in question would also be happily accepted. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 12:39:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA09242 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 12:39:14 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA09236; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 12:39:13 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA15487; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 12:38:54 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503042038.MAA15487@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: CTM - my $0.02 To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 12:38:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: phk@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503031500.RAA05515@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 3, 95 05:00:45 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 438 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Last request: the ports-cur set on freefall are not "start-able". > could you please give some sort of start-point (sort of like the > 4MB src-cur you did a few days ago)? Maybe assume that ports are > empty and go from there... -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 693345 Mar 3 20:19 ports-cur.0249A.gz -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 13:26:23 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA11539 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:26:23 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA11524; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:26:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01016; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:25:35 +0200 Message-Id: <199503042125.XAA01016@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), phk@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CTM - my $0.02 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 23:25:35 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Last request: the ports-cur set on freefall are not "start-able". > > could you please give some sort of start-point (sort of like the > > 4MB src-cur you did a few days ago)? Maybe assume that ports are > > empty and go from there... > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 693345 Mar 3 20:19 ports-cur.0249A.gz Magic! Thanks. I'll get it now... -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 14:10:04 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA15888 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:10:04 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA15877 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:10:02 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10355; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:03:53 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503042203.AA10355@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: backspace now broken To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:03:52 MST In-Reply-To: <199503040845.AAA18800@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 4, 95 00:45:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > My keyboards do not have any keys labelled ``Backspace'', they all > > have a big and easy to find key top-right labelled ``<--''. This > > implies that most people will hit this key when they intend to delete > > the character last typed. > > Okay, some keyboards do just have the <-- on that key, but many also have > the word ``backspace'' or ``<-- backspace'' printed on the key. I have > never seen a PC keyboard with that key labeled ``delete''. My DEC Rainbow 100+. 8-). But of course, as a PC, it's pretty IMpersonal. That, and it couldn't run a UNIX to save its life (and didn't). > > All this ^?/^H/^C hick-hack has been bothering me for a long time. I > > really *hate* those folks who once broke the consistency back in very > > old days! Now, there will be always a need to stty something when > > logging in back and forth across several systems... But please, at > > least for the own system, keep the default stty settings consistent > > with the keyboard mapping. > > We are confusing stty settings with keyboard key cap to code mapping, this > is the pit fall that has caused us to switch this back and forth. There > are other tid bits in this thread that already elaborate on it. If we are being traditionalists, then let us look at the origin of the delete character and other characters, and the default settings because of them. We can start with the ADM, Lear-Seiglar, Hazeltine, Televideo, and Heath terminals that had control keys that generated ^H, ^J, ^K, and ^L for the left, down, up, and right arrows respectively, and the ^V key for clear screen, AND had a "BackSpace" key that sent ^H and had a "Delete" key that sent ^?. You ever wonder why the vi keys are what they are, or the nethack keys? Well, now you know. The DEC terminals came in. As of the VT220, there was special configuration required to get a backspace or an escape key, and even then they were off on inconvenient to use keys. This was done to push the DEC VMS agenda (DEL) and to facilitate some type of system software (the ESC key omission was for simplification of the ANSI sequence recognition to not have to require a timeout, and that was mostly because the LAT protocol and the DECServer itself screwed up in chunking up the lines in the middle of escape sequences, and timer based distinctions between 'esc' and and escape sequences from single keys. It was the DEC legacy that brought us ^C as interrupt and DEL as the rubout character. The DEL as interrupt is a System V'ism resulting from an early inability of the System V tty driver to recognize a break character. The ^C I agree with; I have use too many systems that took the break key as an abort. It hould not be possible to screw 10 hours of computation by sitting on the right part of the keyboard. The DEL vs. BS argument is, as has been pointed out, pretty specious; it's a religious rather than a technical or a user protection issue. Because most terminals sold today are Wyse terminals, and most PC's sold today have a "BackSpace" key, and because it is necessary to be able to emulate a DEC terminal with the center (insert/home/pgup/pgdn/del/end) keys, I'd argue that the upper right hand key on the main keyboard proper send the code its label says it sends. If you think that should erase characters at the shell prompt, well, then you are free to have it do so by setting your rubout character. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 14:47:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA18011 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:47:03 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA18003; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:47:02 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA15814; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:46:30 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503042246.OAA15814@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: CTM - my $0.02 To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:46:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: phk@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503031500.RAA05515@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 3, 95 05:00:45 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 317 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I would also like to add one more vote (if any are coming in) for > ports-cur to be emailed too. There is a "ctm-ports-cur" list too now, send email to majordomo@freebsd.org -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 15:16:06 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19064 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:16:06 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA19057 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:16:01 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA13994; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 10:11:27 +1100 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 10:11:27 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503042311.KAA13994@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ache@astral.msk.su, davidg@Root.COM Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Ok, maybe following scheme will fit: >> >>Backspace -> ^H >>Grey Keypad Delete -> 0x7F >>Numeric Keypad Del (if NumLock off) -> ESC [ K >> >>any objections? > None from me. I object. 1) The grey keypad keys don't exist on small (laptop) keyboards. 2) I always use numeric keypad (!NumLocked) keys, never the grey keypad keys. 3) The BIOS returns the same characters for the grey keypad keys as for the !NumLocked numeric keypad keys. 4) Escape sequences suck. `stty erase "ESC [ K"' doesn't work... Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 16:26:05 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA19793 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 16:26:05 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA19786 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 16:26:03 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id TAA16570 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:26:04 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id TAA00470; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:24:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:24:08 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503050024.TAA00470@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: -current kernel panics frequently Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With a kernel a day or two old, I am getting frequent panics. They seem to always be page fault panics. Sometimes I get a core dump, sometimes not. One core dump I looked at had a repetitive 8-byte sequence written all over some mbufs in one of the ppp input queues. I can't complete a make world with the current kernel. The last good one I have is from around Feb 17. - Gene From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 17:36:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA21395 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:36:19 -0800 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA21388; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:36:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA22251; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:35:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199503050135.SAA22251@rover.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" , current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 04 Mar 1995 11:52:53 PST Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 18:35:55 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : I will try to work something up. Any suggestions on *squeezing* the data : files in question would also be happily accepted. I have in my /etc/rc.local something that looks for /etc/keymap.sys and uses that to be the default. I can send you the couple of lines. gzip might not be bad, if kbdcontrol could read from stdin. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 17:41:39 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA21909 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:41:39 -0800 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA21903 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:41:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA22270; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:40:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199503050140.SAA22270@rover.village.org> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Subject: Re: backspace now broken Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 04 Mar 1995 15:03:52 MST Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 18:40:54 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : > Okay, some keyboards do just have the <-- on that key, but many also have : > the word ``backspace'' or ``<-- backspace'' printed on the key. I have : > never seen a PC keyboard with that key labeled ``delete''. : : My DEC Rainbow 100+. 8-). Mine too :-). That was my first PC, so it colored my thinking on things. : The DEL vs. BS argument is, as has been pointed out, pretty specious; : it's a religious rather than a technical or a user protection issue. Yes. It is. I run my system with <-- generating DEL, but then I have *ALL* my shells setup to use DEL as delete-previous-character. Emacs also uses it as its default delete-previous-character, so that's why I've change the map. Have a program that is smart enough to generate the swapping of DEL and BS, CAP LOCK and CONTROL, and maybe Escape and ~`, and that should cover 99% of the US remapping requirements (for people that still basically want an QWERTY layout, that is). Then again, I have the following in my /etc/rc.local, so that I would never notice a change like this :-). if [ -r /etc/keymap.sys -a -x /usr/sbin/kbdcontrol ]; then /usr/sbin/kbdcontrol -l /etc/keymap.sys fi BTW, I don't care what the default is, but PC users might expect <-- to generate BS while Delete generates DEL or some other escape sequence. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 17:41:53 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA21926 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:41:53 -0800 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA21848; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:40:18 -0800 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA01220; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:34:05 -0800 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199503050134.RAA01220@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: missing memory? To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD Current), freebsd-ports@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:34:04 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1713 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I upgraded my 486DX66 EISA system from 8MB to 24MB of RAM, but I can't tell if the system ``knows'' about all the memory. I looked at the output from `dmesg', `top', and `systat -vmstat'. Dmesg and systat appear to report that 24 MB are present, but top seems to be missing 8MB. So, how does one determine if ALL the memory is being utilitized? Does top contain a bug that makes the system appear to be limited to the ISA 16 MB boundary. %dmesg FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Wed Mar 1 09:06:05 PST 1995 root@troutmask.apl.washington.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/TROUTMASK CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 This is an i486DX2 Stepping=5 Features=0x3 FPU VME real memory = 24772608 (6048 pages) avail memory = 23425024 (5719 pages) %top load averages: 1.56, 1.03, 0.52 17:24:36 30 processes: 2 running, 27 sleeping, 1 zombie Cpu states: 65.0% user, 0.0% nice, 23.2% system, 1.4% interrupt, 10.4% idle Memory: 15M Act 2384K Inact 2732K Wired 472K Free 6% Swap %systat -vmstat 4 users Load 1.31 1.12 0.64 Sat Mar 4 17:27 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Interrupts Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out 305 total Act 7764 1124 50028 36908 2800 count 100 clk0 irq All 23468 9504 679420 648300 pages 128 rtc0 irq -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Laboratory | Fax: 206-543-6785 | University of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 17:58:54 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA22223 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:58:54 -0800 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA22217 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:58:53 -0800 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA00135 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:52:34 -0800 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199503050152.RAA00135@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: poor SCSI disk performance To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD Current) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 832 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sources supped on 950303 at 1700 PST. I did a make world, and supped /sys today 950304 at 1645 PST to rebuild the kernel. So, I have the recently revamped SCSI stuff in my system. The system is 486DX66, Adaptec 1742, Maxtor mxt-540-s. `Iozone 16' reports roughly 850KB/s write and 1MB/s read. I looked into using tunefs to improve performance, but nothing I tried seemed to give better results. I should also point out the system fragmentation is below 3%. With the exact hardware and FBSD 1.1.5.1, I was getting numbers around 1.5 to 2MB/s write and 3MB/s read. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Laboratory | Fax: 206-543-6785 | University of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 18:34:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA22955 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:34:16 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA22949 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:34:14 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA16688 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:34:14 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id VAA01992; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:31:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:31:30 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503050231.VAA01992@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: cs.weber.edu!terry@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: sbstark!cs.weber.edu!terry's message of Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:03:52 MST Subject: Re: backspace now broken Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The DEL as interrupt is a System V'ism resulting from an early inability >of the System V tty driver to recognize a break character. Hmm... I remember Unix Version IV (in 1975) as having DEL as the interrupt, not to mention # as the rubout character and @ as the kill line character. I think Version III was the same, though I only really started using Unix at Version IV. Surely this predates System V! - Gene From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 19:00:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23208 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:00:03 -0800 Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (root@starbase.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA23189 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:59:58 -0800 Received: from metal.ops.neosoft.com (root@glenn-slip46.nmt.edu [129.138.5.146]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA06521; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 20:59:44 -0600 X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 684-5969 Received: (from smace@localhost) by metal.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA01085; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:48:27 -0700 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199503050248.TAA01085@metal.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) To: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:48:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503041902.OAA27697@irbs.com> from "John Capo" at Mar 4, 95 02:02:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 134 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As most others have said: > Backspace key ---> 0x08, ^H > Delete key ---> 0x7F, ^? > This is what I want... Scott From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 19:18:26 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23666 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:18:26 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA23659 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:18:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08204; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:18:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199503050318.TAA08204@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Steven G Kargl cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD Current) Subject: Re: poor SCSI disk performance In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 1995 17:52:33 PST." <199503050152.RAA00135@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 19:18:07 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Sources supped on 950303 at 1700 PST. I did a make world, and >supped /sys today 950304 at 1645 PST to rebuild the kernel. >So, I have the recently revamped SCSI stuff in my system. The >system is 486DX66, Adaptec 1742, Maxtor mxt-540-s. `Iozone 16' >reports roughly 850KB/s write and 1MB/s read. I looked into >using tunefs to improve performance, but nothing I tried seemed >to give better results. I should also point out the system >fragmentation is below 3%. > >With the exact hardware and FBSD 1.1.5.1, I was getting numbers >around 1.5 to 2MB/s write and 3MB/s read. I still get 5MB/s going to an Empire 2100 from my 2742 under current. I don't think that Peter's changes are affecting your results. There are other bugs in current's VM system that are probably causing your performance problems. > >-- >Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | >Applied Physics Laboratory | Fax: 206-543-6785 | >University of Washington |---------------------| >1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | >Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 19:21:37 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23825 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:21:37 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA23812; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:21:35 -0800 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:21:35 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199503050321.TAA23812@freefall.cdrom.com> To: current, smpatel@wam.umd.edu Subject: Current sound driver broken - will crash your system! Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, as those of you who read cvs-* probably already know, I've committed Sujal's update to the Voxware 3.0 drivers and this has caused some problems. More specifically, devices that were formerly found (snd1, for example) are not found and talking to /dev/audio with an SB16 generally sounds like hell then crashes your system. I'm sorry for momentarily breaking audio in -current, though this at least can hopefully be classified under "non fatal error" long enough for us to figure out what is going on and fix it. If no fix is found in the next 48 hours, I will revert the import and we'll go back to square one on the voxware upgrade. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 23:09:21 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA27558 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:09:21 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27552; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:09:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05629; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 09:08:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199503050708.JAA05629@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), phk@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CTM - my $0.02 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 09:08:36 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I would also like to add one more vote (if any are coming in) for > > ports-cur to be emailed too. > > There is a "ctm-ports-cur" list too now, send email to majordomo@freebsd.org What a pleasure! Thanks! M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 23:22:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA27666 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:22:27 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27660 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:22:26 -0800 Received: by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/1.33(web)-OV4) id XAA16832; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:22:13 -0800 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:22:13 -0800 From: jmacd@uclink.berkeley.edu (Joshua Peck Macdonald) Message-Id: <199503050722.XAA16832@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: what's this? MDOC error Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk axis-~ # man mmap Formatting page, please wait.../usr/share/tmac/tmac.doc:55: can't find macro file `mdoc/doc-nroff' /usr/share/tmac/tmac.doc:57: can't find macro file `mdoc/doc-common' /usr/share/tmac/tmac.doc:58: can't find macro file `mdoc/doc-syms' MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'mmap') (#38) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'mmap') (#44) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'mmap') (#47) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'addr') (#49) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'len') (#51) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'fd') (#53) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space ',') (#53) ... MDOC-ERROR: bogus class 0 (can't determine ',') (#209) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space 'mincore') (#210) MDOC-ERROR: bogus type 0 (can't set space '2') (#210) MDOC-ERROR: bogus class 0 (can't determine '2') (#210) Done. mmap #include #include caddr_t mmapcaddr_t addr,size_t len,int prot,int flags,int fd,off_t offset The mmap function causes the pages starting at addr and continuing for at most len bytes to be mapped from the object described by fd, starting at byte offset offset. If offset or len is not a multiple of the pagesize, the mapped region may extend past the specified range. If addr is non-zero, it is used as a hint to the system. (As a convenience to the system, the actual address of the region may differ from the address sup- plied.) If addr is zero, an address will be selected by the sys- tem. The actual starting address of the region is returned. A successful mmap deletes any previous mapping in the allocated ad- dress range. The protections (region accessibility) are speci- fied in the prot argument by orNs'ing the following values: DvPROT_EXEC Pages may be executed. ... I get this for a lot of man pages, I made -current about a week ago? is this something I've messed up or what? -josh From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 23:33:43 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA27844 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:33:43 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27824 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:33:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05953; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 09:32:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199503050732.JAA05953@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: -current kernel panics frequently Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 09:32:51 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > With a kernel a day or two old, I am getting frequent panics. > They seem to always be page fault panics. Sometimes I get a core dump, > sometimes not. One core dump I looked at had a repetitive 8-byte > sequence written all over some mbufs in one of the ppp input queues. > > I can't complete a make world with the current kernel. The last > good one I have is from around Feb 17. I have exactly the same problem. I am running a 26th Feb kernel which is OK. I managed to catch a panic, and here are symbols around the area of the IP at the time (panic was at address 0xf0159f07 - vm page not present (I think)):: f0159040 T _vm_object_in_map f0159200 T _vm_object_check f0159354 T _vm_object_print f0159430 F vm_page.o f0159468 T _vm_set_page_size f01594d8 T _vm_page_startup f0159850 T _vm_page_hash f0159888 T _vm_page_insert f0159900 T _vm_page_remove f0159978 T _vm_page_lookup f0159a00 T _vm_page_rename f0159b24 T _vm_page_unqueue f0159c30 T _vm_page_alloc <------------------- f0159fb8 T _vm_page_alloc_contig Mark -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 23:44:42 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA28027 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:44:42 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA28021 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:44:19 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20198; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:42:36 --800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:29:11 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Subject: pkg_add/delete bug? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1020 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I grabbed top-3.3beta4.tgz and decided to try pkg_add on it (I usually compile stuff from scratch, so pkg_add is new for me). I forgot I had 'top' running in another window, so this is what I get: # pkg_add top-3.3beta4.tgz tar: Could not create file bin/top : Text file busy [go to the other window to quit 'top'] # pkg_add top-3.3beta4.tgz Package `top-3.3beta4' already recorded as installed. [Hmmm...] # pkg_delete top-3.3beta4 # pkg_add top-3.3beta4.tgz [Successful] I suppose this isn't really a bug. There isn't much pkg_add can do if certain files can't be installed. Perhaps it should print some sort of warning to the user that the installation is incomplete? Also, pkg_add wants a filename ("top-3.3beta4.tgz") while pkg_delete wants a package name ("top-3.3beta4"). I know why it does this, but could both be modified to accept either the filename or the package name? I'm rather fond of tabkey filename completion in the shell, but 'pkg_delete top-3.3beta4.tgz' won't work. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Mar 4 23:49:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA28068 for current-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:49:27 -0800 Received: from clinet.fi (root@clinet.fi [193.64.6.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA28062 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:49:24 -0800 Received: from smile.clinet.fi (smile.clinet.fi [193.64.6.11]) by clinet.fi (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA23216 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 09:49:00 +0200 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (root@localhost) by smile.clinet.fi (8.6.10/8.6.4) id JAA08984; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 09:49:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 09:49:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199503050749.JAA08984@smile.clinet.fi> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Wiring Reply-To: Heikki Suonsivu Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk # Beginning with FreeBSD 2.1 you can wire down your SCSI devices so # that a given bus, target, and LUN always come on line as the same # device unit. In earlier versions the unit numbers were assigned # in the order that the devices were probed on the SCSI bus. This # means that if you removed a disk drive, you may have had to rewrite # your /etc/fstab file, and also that you had to be careful when adding # a new disk as it may have been probed earlier and moved your device # configuration around. # This old behavior is maintained as the default behavior. The unit # assignment begins with the first non-wired down unit for a device # type. For example, if you wire a disk as "sd3" then the first # non-wired disk will be assigned sd4. Would it be better to by default try to wire the first 4 disks? -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN