From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 10 04:59:22 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA18236 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 1995 04:59:22 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA18230 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 04:59:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA28717 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:00:32 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199505101200.IAA28717@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Update To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 657 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've committed the sgml conversion tools to freebsd-current. Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/~jfieber/doc for more information. Then, http://www.freebsd.org/How/handbook is an HTML version of FreeBSD Handbook as it exists in -current. I have two more final exams and then I'll be working on this project more intensely and will bring in various other pieces that people have submitted. Finally, anyone who has contributed a section and wants a copyright notice on it, please send it to me! -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 10 07:03:54 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21139 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 1995 07:03:54 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21132 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 07:03:49 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA07757 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 May 1995 07:03:42 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505101403.HAA07757@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Here is my How to UCB copyright a work.... To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 07:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3223 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk John said I should fire this off to this list, so here it is. I realize now that a few of my %% tokens are US specific, perhaps a few times around the block with some internation folks might clear up just what ``%%your_state%% %%your_zip%%'' should become. Note my choices here are very specific to what is required under US law for a valid copyright. > > > I have another contribution for it, but perhaps this is FAQ material, > > ``How to place code under a UCB style copyright, complete with a > > sample ready to edit''. > > This is certainly FAQ grade stuff. Could you send me a copy, I have a > couple of people hanging on this issue, and I needed to write something > about this part... Here you go... To place a UCB style copyright on your work please place the following text as the very first lines in your file. You should then search for %% and replace the string bounded by %% with a reasonable value. Note that this is my version of the UCB copyright, it is slightly more protective by making sure that your attribution as the original copyright holder stays at the top of the file. For FreeBSD we would prefer you to use this with out changing any of the wording. If your source code is not `C' you may need to change the comment delimiters. /* * Copyright (c) %%proper_years_here%% * %%your_name_here%%, %%your_state%% %%your_zip%%. All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer as * the first lines of this file unmodified. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software * must display the following acknowledgment: * This product includes software developed by %%your_name_here%%. * 4. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products * derived from this software without specific prior written permission. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY %%your_name_here%% ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. * IN NO EVENT SHALL %%your_name_here%% BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF * THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. * * $Id$ */ -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 11 10:41:43 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA07549 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 1995 10:41:43 -0700 Received: from unix.stylo.italia.com ([194.20.23.167]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA07529 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 10:41:34 -0700 Received: from angelo (angelo.stylo.italia.com [194.20.21.29]) by unix.stylo.italia.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01298 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 19:44:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199505111744.TAA01298@unix.stylo.italia.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 95 19:39:30 0000 From: Angelo Turetta Organization: Stylo S.r.l. - Multimedia Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Admin manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have just installed a FreeBSD 2.0 SNAP to link my company LAN to the Internet. Now I have it up and running, but we have very little unix experience (our LAN is a Windows NT / Windows for Workgroup one), and I wonder if there is a more introductive text I can read to dive safely into the unix admin sea. I've found several books, but they all cover System V, and I understand that its administration issues are not always applicable. Can you please let me know some admin handbook that is strictly referred to FreeBSD (or I think BSD 4.4 may suffice), either a true book, or an internet-available postscript file? Thank you for your great work: we are a small company working on multimedia titles for Windows, ane I've been able to convince my boss to install a unix router only because it's free... Angelo Turetta System Administrator Stylo S.r.l. - Multimedia Software Via Rivani, 8 - 40138 Bologna - Italy aturetta@stylo.italia.com 100014.1757@compuserve.com From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 11 11:22:42 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA09199 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 1995 11:22:42 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA09193 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 11:22:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA19821; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:23:17 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199505111823.OAA19821@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Admin manuals To: aturetta@stylo.italia.com (Angelo Turetta) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505111744.TAA01298@unix.stylo.italia.com> from "Angelo Turetta" at May 11, 95 07:39:30 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 686 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Angelo Turetta writes: > Now I have it up and running, but we have very little unix experience > (our LAN is a Windows NT / Windows for Workgroup one), and I wonder if > there is a more introductive text I can read to dive safely into the unix > admin sea. I've found several books, but they all cover System V, and I > understand that its administration issues are not always applicable. Nemeth, Evi. Unix System Administration Handbook. Prentice Hall. 2nd edition, 1995. ISBN 0-13-151051-7 (I have not verified the ISBN). -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 03:11:58 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA23011 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:11:58 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA22999 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:11:52 -0700 Received: from gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (gwythaint.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.65.221]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA22151 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:11:58 -0700 Received: (from daveh@localhost) by gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA00562 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:07:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 03:07:08 -0700 From: David Holloway Message-Id: <199505121007.DAA00562@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: helping Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello, I've been using freebsd since 1.1, and great fan. I have been wanting to help out for a long time now, been digging into slattach, and sio code but it is a little complex for me. I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual after seeing all that is published for LINUX. perhaps even for commercial gain. so, I'd like to help. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 07:33:47 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA05410 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:33:47 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA05403 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:33:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA11061; Fri, 12 May 1995 10:34:47 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199505121434.KAA11061@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: helping To: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (David Holloway) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505121007.DAA00562@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu> from "David Holloway" at May 12, 95 03:07:08 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 599 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk David Holloway writes: > I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual > after seeing all that is published for LINUX. > perhaps even for commercial gain. Welcome! You can start by looking at (assuming you have WWW access) http://www.freebsd.org/~jfieber/doc. There you will find the two primary documentation projects that are underway: the FAQ and the FreeBSD handbook. Both are in dire need of both new material and updated material. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 07:36:52 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA05501 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:36:52 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA05495 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 07:36:50 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA15859; Fri, 12 May 1995 10:35:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: David Holloway cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: helping In-Reply-To: <199505121007.DAA00562@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995, David Holloway wrote: > hello, I've been using freebsd since 1.1, and great fan. > I have been wanting to help out for a long time now, > been digging into slattach, and sio code > but it is a little complex for me. > > I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual > after seeing all that is published for LINUX. > perhaps even for commercial gain. Perhaps you should work on your english before you go trying to write a user's manual... (just my $0.02) Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 08:12:42 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07256 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:12:42 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA07246 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:12:38 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19879; Fri, 12 May 95 15:12:02 GMT Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA23170; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:12:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 11:12:26 -0400 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9505121512.AA23170@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA115451545; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:12:25 -0600 To: adhir@iagi.net Cc: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (adhir@iagi.net) Subject: Re: helping Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Alok" == Alok K Dhir writes: Alok> On Fri, 12 May 1995, David Holloway wrote: >> hello, I've been using freebsd since 1.1, and great fan. I >> have been wanting to help out for a long time now, been digging >> into slattach, and sio code but it is a little complex for me. >> >> I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual after seeing all >> that is published for LINUX. perhaps even for commercial gain. Alok> Perhaps you should work on your english before you go trying Alok> to write a user's manual... Bad form, Alok. Given that docs are one FreeBSD's greatest weaknesses, I think any moderately proficient assistance in this area should be warmly welcomed. Besides, an editor's once-over or a peer review can go a long way. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA I saw on this nature show how the male elk douses himself with urine to smell sweeter to the opposite sex. What a coincidence! -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 08:17:52 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07577 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:17:52 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA07557 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 08:17:48 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19907; Fri, 12 May 95 15:17:19 GMT Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA24036; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:17:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 11:17:44 -0400 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9505121517.AA24036@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA115491862; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:17:43 -0600 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Finally! Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We've met another milestone here at the lab and I've finally got some time for writing docs. I don't want to collide with anyone, so has anyone yet taken on the `Printing' section of the handbook? If not, sign me up. (Gulp.) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Counsellor Troi states something other than the blindingly obvious. -- One of 46 things that never happen on Star Trek From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 09:59:21 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA12373 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:59:21 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA12321 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:57:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA15842; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:57:46 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199505121657.MAA15842@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: helping To: adhir@iagi.net (Alok K. Dhir) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Alok K. Dhir" at May 12, 95 10:35:46 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 496 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Alok K. Dhir writes: > Perhaps you should work on your english before you go trying to write a > user's manual... Unless you are willing to submit a complete, unedited archive of every email message you have sent as proof that grammatical errors in email are below you, I declare comments of this sort UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 10:02:11 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA12446 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 10:02:11 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12438 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 10:02:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA16154; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:03:20 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199505121703.NAA16154@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Finally! To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9505121517.AA24036@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at May 12, 95 11:17:44 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 417 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sean Kelly writes: > I don't want to collide with anyone, so has anyone yet taken on the > `Printing' section of the handbook? If not, sign me up. (Gulp.) Go for it! I originally had my name on it, but I confess that I have not given it much thought yet... -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 11:08:01 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA16739 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:08:01 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA16732 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:08:00 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA02219; Fri, 12 May 95 12:00:10 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505121800.AA02219@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: helping To: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (David Holloway) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:00:10 MDT Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505121007.DAA00562@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu> from "David Holloway" at May 12, 95 03:07:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual > after seeing all that is published for LINUX. > perhaps even for commercial gain. If you are truly into commercial gain, you might want to start a BSD Journal. The guy who runs the Linux Journal is doing better than all right, and there is the potential for a larger number of commercial advertisers, since BSDI is technically a BSD as well. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 11:16:00 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA16937 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:16:00 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA16931 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:15:59 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA01512 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:09:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199505121809.LAA01512@who.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA275902256; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:10:56 -0400 From: william pechter ILEX Subject: Re: helping To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9505121800.AA02219@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at May 12, 95 12:00:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1047 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual > > after seeing all that is published for LINUX. > > perhaps even for commercial gain. > > If you are truly into commercial gain, you might want to start a BSD > Journal. The guy who runs the Linux Journal is doing better than > all right, and there is the potential for a larger number of commercial > advertisers, since BSDI is technically a BSD as well. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu The problem with BSD journal is (*I've considered it*) there's nowhere the number of current users/subscribers or the amount of commercial programs for the non-BSDI audience. Actually, I've been waiting for them to get someone to write BSDI Journal or BSDI Professional... for their own customers. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 12:01:44 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18724 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:01:44 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA18718 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:01:42 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA02653; Fri, 12 May 95 12:54:27 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505121854.AA02653@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: helping To: pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (william pechter ILEX) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:54:26 MDT Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) In-Reply-To: <199505121809.LAA01512@who.cdrom.com> from "william pechter ILEX" at May 12, 95 02:10:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > If you are truly into commercial gain, you might want to start a BSD > > Journal. The guy who runs the Linux Journal is doing better than > > all right, and there is the potential for a larger number of commercial > > advertisers, since BSDI is technically a BSD as well. > > The problem with BSD journal is (*I've considered it*) there's nowhere the > number of current users/subscribers or the amount of commercial programs > for the non-BSDI audience. Actually, I've been waiting for them to > get someone to write BSDI Journal or BSDI Professional... for their own > customers. Actually, the irrelevance of the ads is not an issue -- the ads will typically be for packages that "also support BSDI" rather than packages "specifically for BSDI". The point would be delivering hard-core engineers to your advertisers as an audience for ads that may not result in BSD related purchases (look at the Usenix, hardware, and other ads in Linux Journal). I think you'll find that the number of BSD users across all camps (you include Ultrix, Gould, Pyramid, OSF/1, and SunOS as "BSD" systems if you want to get down to it -- the people who would be using the three namesake systems on their home machines) is larger than the number of Linux users when the Linux Journal was started, even if you only include BSDI, NetBSD, and FreeBSD. I wish I has more time to do stuff like starting a real BSD consortium or a journal, or writing 7 or 8 books. I think any of them could succeed profitably. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 12:17:22 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA19306 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:17:22 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19300 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:17:20 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA19469; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:16:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Sean Kelly cc: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: helping In-Reply-To: <9505121512.AA23170@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995, Sean Kelly wrote: > >>>>> "Alok" == Alok K Dhir writes: > > Alok> On Fri, 12 May 1995, David Holloway wrote: > >> hello, I've been using freebsd since 1.1, and great fan. I > >> have been wanting to help out for a long time now, been digging > >> into slattach, and sio code but it is a little complex for me. > >> > >> I've even comtemplated writing a user's manual after seeing all > >> that is published for LINUX. perhaps even for commercial gain. > > Alok> Perhaps you should work on your english before you go trying > Alok> to write a user's manual... > > Bad form, Alok. > > Given that docs are one FreeBSD's greatest weaknesses, I think any > moderately proficient assistance in this area should be warmly > welcomed. Besides, an editor's once-over or a peer review can go a > long way. Perhaps I shouldn't have forgotton the ;-) for the humor impaired... Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 12:20:42 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA19479 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:20:42 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19470 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:20:38 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA19492; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:20:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: John Fieber cc: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: helping In-Reply-To: <199505121657.MAA15842@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 May 1995, John Fieber wrote: > Alok K. Dhir writes: > > Perhaps you should work on your english before you go trying to write a > > user's manual... > > Unless you are willing to submit a complete, unedited archive of > every email message you have sent as proof that grammatical > errors in email are below you, I declare comments of this sort > UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE. No need to scream, the ;-) was apparently not as obvious as I had intended. BTW - grammatical errors aren't beneath me - I thought I'd poke some fun at the poor english used in that post. Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 12:27:12 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA19727 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:27:12 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19719 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:27:10 -0700 Received: from gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (gwythaint.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.65.221]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05971 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:27:18 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA01205 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:22:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:22:39 -0700 From: David Holloway Message-Id: <199505121922.MAA01205@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: grammar Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk enough. of the discussion on my grammar. did I mention that it was 4am my local time when I wrote that email? From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 12 14:00:48 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA23640 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:00:48 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA23614 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:00:41 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03313; Fri, 12 May 95 14:54:01 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505122054.AA03313@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: grammar To: daveh@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu (David Holloway) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 14:54:00 MDT Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505121922.MAA01205@gwythaint.hip.berkeley.edu> from "David Holloway" at May 12, 95 12:22:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > enough. > of the discussion on my grammar. > did I mention that it was 4am my local time when I wrote > that email? Ghah, what a hideous sleep cycle! And those socks! 8-) 8-). Grammar is for spell checkers, grammar programs, and editors. I took it as volunteering to proof-read all the documentation instead of as a flame. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.