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From: rjiang@akbs.com (Ruiyuan Jiang)
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My newly installed FreeBSD 2.0.5 can boot, ftp to internet and I can ftp  
it (the system acts as ftp server). It seems that it works OK. Thanks.
I have a minor problem. I get a message from FreeBSD kernel: 

akbsnews /kernel: arplookup 38.8.2.2 failed: host is not on local  
network

Here akbsnews is the host name because I will set it up as our local  
Usenet News server. Also we don't maintain our local DNS server. We use  
our internet service provide NetCom's DNS. Can anybody help me to solve  
this problem? Thanks in advance.

Ruiyuan Jiang
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[CCd to doc@freebsd.org because this brings up document
architecture issues of general interest.]

Gary Clark II writes:
> I need "TEXT" versions of the stuff in the handbook before I can
> point ftp users at them.  Thats what I thought /FAQ/Text was!

If we have a hypertext FAQ, and a hypertext handbook that is to
be referenced from the FAQ, pointing at a plain text version
is a pretty big step backward.  

In the FAQ use a relative url of "../handbook/whatever.html".  As
for "whatever", grep the sgml files in the handbook directory for
'<label id'.  Every .sgml file in the handbook directory (except
authors.sgml and handbook.sgml) has a label matching the filename
sans .sgml.  For example, ctm.sgml has a <label id="ctm"> and
could be referenced from the faq with a url of
"../handbook/ctm.html".  My latest commit to sgmlfmt(1) provides
for making symbolic links for every <label id="..."> that point
to the appropriate page since section numbers or html file
numbers are moving targets.

This method of linking between documents does leave some elegance
to be desired, particularly because it breaks if either the FAQ
or the handbook are not in the same position relative to each
other.  Using an absolute link to www.freebsd.org would break for
people who have the HTML files local and no net.conection.  It
would be nifty if the HTML standard supported the specification
of primary and alternate URL's in the anchor tag....

-john

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Hi Guys, it's nuisance me again.

Without really knowing what I'm doing, I've put together 4 documents as
follows:-

1. Glossy newbie.announce file to attract new users into getting more
   information.

2. Glossy mentor.announce file to con the Mentors into joining.

3. new-user-info to try to explain the concept to new users who get
   attracted by (1).  This includes a standardised form to try and get
   all relevant info from the newbie-in-trouble.

4. mentor-info which does much the same thing for mentors and tries to
   get info to act as a resource for all mentors if a newbie has to be
   shuffled from one mentor to another.

I've been busy with work so I don't guarantee the quality of the above
or even whether they'll fit in with the hacks to majordomo.  If you can
give feedback of any sort it will be thoughtfully considered (sometime).
The four files are simply appended in order below.

Don't take too much notice of references to majordomo in the files.
I'll obviously fix all that up when I know better myself how the thing
is going to work.  I just wanted to get something down on paper at this
stage.  Do you think that the people already signed up as mentors would
get too upset if I fired the whole thing off to them to look at?  I
wouldn't dare put it on the hackers list :->.

I'm going to be busy for a bit but I'm determined to try to get this
thing off the ground.  Throw it back at me if you're too busy to get
involved.  Jordan, I've just sent this for your information.  I really
don't want to put a single ounce of extra load on you.

Cheers,
-- 
Gary Roberts  (gary@wcs.uq.edu.au) (Ph +617 844 0400   Fax +617 844 0444)
4th Floor, South Bank House, 234 Grey St, South Bank  QLD 4101  Australia.


	*** A New FreeBSD Help Service to get You Started ***
	=====================================================

Are you interested in running FreeBSD Unix on your computer?

Are you concerned you may not have the necessary skills to get such a
system installed and configured all by yourself?

Do you perhaps have a particular installation/configuration problem or
have you had one in the past that is scaring you away from FreeBSD?

Would you like `personalised' help from a volunteer (your Mentor) who has
been down exactly that same path themselves, previously?

Would you then be willing to act as a future Mentor once you had developed
the necessary skills yourself and felt comfortable about doing it?

If your answer is a resounding *YES* to some or all of these questions then
here is what you do ...

1. Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with any subject you like but the word
   `new-user-info' (without the quotes) in the body and on a line by itself.

2. Sit back and wait.

Majordomo will send you a full information message about how the system
works and you just follow further instructions from there.

If you decide to proceed, rest assured that a sympathetic volunteer will
(on a private, person-to-person basis) do his/her very best to give you
whatever assistance is required to get you going.

Interested??   Sounds right for you??  Well, what are you waiting for!!

	    =============================


	*** A New FreeBSD Help Service that needs *YOUR* Help ***
	=========================================================

Are you interested in FreeBSD and do you have some experience with basic
installation/configuration of Unix systems?

Have you been through the new user stage yourself and are grateful for
assistance you have received at that time?

Do you think it's a good idea for FreeBSD to nurture its new user base?

Would you be able to do just a little towards helping?


If your answer is even only a `maybe' to some or all of these questions then
the FreeBSD developers would love you to help.  You can become a `Mentor' and
`adopt' a new user, giving him/her some personalised assistance by e-mail.

The idea here is to attempt to take some of the `hand-holding' load away
from the developers so that they have more time for improving FreeBSD.
If enough `semi-skilled' users can find the time to assist in this way 
the incidence of new user grumbles and complaints should be vastly reduced
and the load on the developers' mailboxes should start to decline.

Your assistance *can* make a difference.  There *will* be a safety net so
you, yourself, can get help, if helping the new user becomes too difficult.
And you will have the personal satisfaction of knowing that you are doing
your bit towards supporting what is rapidly becoming one of the best OS's
on this planet!!

If you are willing to have a go then just send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
with any subject you like but the word `mentor' (without the quotes) in the
body and on a line by itself.

Majordomo will send you a full information message about how the system works
and you just follow further instructions from there.  Hopefully this will
explain everything fully and will allay any fears you may have about your own
ability to handle the job.  And remember, getting the information will be
`obligation free'.  You can withdraw gracefully if it's really not your scene.

Interested??   Willing to give it a go??  Well, what are you waiting for!!

	  ==============================

	*** The FreeBSD Help Service -- User Instructions ***
	=====================================================

OK, Welcome to the FreeBSD Help Service.  This service offers personalised
help for whatever problem you are having.  The service is manned by a team of
volunteers whose only reward will be the sense of pride and satisfaction that
they will get from helping you to get going.  Please remember that helpers
are not paid and may not even be skilled in your particular problem area.
However, they are dedicated and they will do their very best to help.

The system works by registering your request for assistance.  This request is
then passed on to the first available helper (called a Mentor).  It is likely
that Mentors will be in short supply and will be overworked, so anything you
can do to make their job easier will certainly be appreciated.

Another point to remember is that the service is intended to address new user
problems and is not simply `somewhere to have a chat'.  We certainly don't
want to get into flame wars or arguments over religious issues.  Whilst it
will essentially be private e-mail, we do intend to monitor the traffic if
possible for statistical purposes and to collect questions and answers that
can add to the overall database of documentation.  It will be up to individual
Mentors to decide what is fair to answer but be warned that most (if not all)
would drop you like a hot potato if your question was, "My friend runs Linux
and he sez I'm stoopid to be running FreeBSD, wadda ya say 'bout dat??"
The service is particularly for FreeBSD problems.  Personal prejudices and
`flame-bait' type questions should be kept strictly out of it.

Well, with some of the caveats out of the way, let's push on with your problem.

Firstly, we'll assume that you have tried the obvious steps like reading FAQs,
INSTALL_NOTES, READMEs, or whatever documentation is available.  We will help
anyway but the simple step of reading all the documentation can save lots of
work for everyone.  We realise that sometimes documentation is either not
available, out of date or too cryptic to be useful to many people.
Hopefully we can help in these cases.

Secondly, it will be helpful if you can give full background information about
you and your hardware, your configuration and the itty bitty details of how the
problem is affecting you.  The more information you can give, the more readily
your Mentor will be able to sort out your problem.  The idea of the scheme is
that you have a single Mentor for the whole of the period that you need help,
be it for installation/configuration/upgrading or whatever.  You will sign off
from your Mentor when you feel comfortable to fly on your own.  Your Mentor
may sign you off anyway if he/she feels that you are good enough to go solo.
Because of this ongoing relationship, you need to supply your full details only
once but it has to be right at the outset.  It is unlikely that we will be able
to help without this.  To make it easy, there is a "System Details" form for
you to fill out and send in.  This becomes your initial request for help.  You
will then just carry on with normal e-mail for subsequent requests.  Here is an
example of such a form all filled out.  There is a blank form for you to copy
which is attached to the end of this message.


mentor
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                     SYSTEM AND PERSONAL DETAILS FORM                      |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|NAME: William Bloggs (Bill)        |E-MAIL: b.bloggs@where.you.are.at      |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|HOW Computer Literate are you (put an X in the box that best describes you |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|I'm just starting | |    OK with DOS/WIN - no Unix | |     Unix aware |X|  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
| BSD Unix aware   | |     Bit more than just aware | |     Very aware | |  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|===========================================================================|
|BRAND/MODEL: Back Yard Computers Inc - Taiwanese Clone - AMI BIOS          |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|CPU: 486DX2/66 (Intel)          |RAM: 8MB          |BUS:  ISA/VLB          |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|HDD: Maxtor 270 MB IDE,  Western Digital 540 MB IDE                        |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|VIDEO: 1MB Cirrus Logic (model 5428) VLB, with a Viewsonic 15" model xyz   |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|FDD: 1.44MB Teac                      |CDROM: Mitsumi xyz model            |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|TAPE: None                            |SOUND: Soundblaster abc model       |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|MODEM: Dynalink xyz model             |ETHERNET: none                      |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|PRINTER: HP Deskjet abc model         |MOUSE: Microsoft serial             |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|KEYBOARD: Honeywell def model         |I/O PORTS: <any specific details>   |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|OTHER H/W:  <eg plotters, scanners, or other exotic stuff ... >            |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|CURRENT O/S: DOS/WINDOWS ...... <or whatever>                              |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|INTENDED O/S: FreeBSD-3.4.5 installed from CDROM                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|ANY SPECIAL INFO:  DOS on 270 MB drive and FreeBSD on 540 MB drive         |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|SPECIAL INTERESTS: I want to run my system at home and run PPP to connect  |
| to <work/school>.  I want to run X11 and I want to browse the WWW ......  |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|FULL PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:  This is where you type away to your heart's     |
| content and you try to give as full a description as possible. You just   |
| add as many lines like these as you need, to cover everything you can     |
| think of.  Don't hold back as even trivial details may be important in    |
| solving the problem.                                                      |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Thirdly, once you have given as much detail as you can, you mail the filled
in form to majordomo@FreeBSD.org and you will be assigned to a mentor.  So
that majordomo can recognise your mail as a request for a Mentor, you must
have the word `mentor' (without quotes) on a line by itself right at the
start of the message.  You will notice that this has been done on both the
example filled in form and the blank for you to copy.  Please don't delete
this word or change it in any way.

Fourthly, a Mentor will pick you up as soon as possible and start to talk
to you on a one-to-one basis about your problem.  The Mentor may have an
immediate solution or more information may be required.  The Mentor will try
to respond in a timely fashion but there can be no absolute guarantees.
Please be patient if you don't get immediate responses.  Your Mentor has
other responsibilities and silence simply means that one of those has taken
precedence.  If your Mentor cannot continue the relationship for whatever
reason, you will be immediately informed and assigned to another Mentor.
The intention is that the Mentor will try to stay with you for the full time
over which you need assistance.  If a Mentor's work takes him/her away, or if
a Mentor goes on holidays, you will be informed and asked to wait if possible.

Finally, when your problems have been resolved and you are feeling comfortable
with your level of knowledge and experience, you will cease `being mentored'.
You will either make that decision yourself or your Mentor will suggest it
to you.  Naturally, we hope you will feel good about the service you have
received and will want to help others who are less experienced than yourself.
There will be no obligation, but we will ask that you consider becoming a
Mentor yourself.  Having to help someone else is a very good way of developing
your own skills and talents and you can rest assured that we would only want
you to do this if you felt happy about it.  You would be able to choose a
suitable new user to help, appropriate to your level of expertise.

Well that's about it.  If you think that this service can help you, all you
need to do is save a copy of the blank form which follows, complete it as
fully as you can and send it in to majordomo@FreeBSD.org.  We really want
you to be happy with FreeBSD and we'll do our very best to help.

					   The FreeBSD Core Team.

=-=-=-=-=-=-Cut up to and including here to leave your blank form-=-=-=-=-=-=
mentor
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                     SYSTEM AND PERSONAL DETAILS FORM                      |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|NAME:                              |E-MAIL:                                |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|HOW Computer Literate are you (put an X in the box that best describes you |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|I'm just starting | |    OK with DOS/WIN - no Unix | |     Unix aware | |  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
| BSD Unix aware   | |     Bit more than just aware | |     Very aware | |  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|===========================================================================|
|BRAND/MODEL:                                                               |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|CPU:                            |RAM:              |BUS:                   |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|HDD:                                                                       |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|VIDEO:                                                                     |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|FDD:                                  |CDROM:                              |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|TAPE:                                 |SOUND:                              |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|MODEM:                                |ETHERNET:                           |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|PRINTER:                              |MOUSE:                              |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|KEYBOARD:                             |I/O PORTS:                          |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|OTHER H/W:                                                                 |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|CURRENT O/S:                                                               |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|INTENDED O/S:                                                              |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|ANY SPECIAL INFO:                                                          |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|SPECIAL INTERESTS:                                                         |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|FULL PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:                                                  |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

	=============================

	*** The FreeBSD Help Service -- Mentor Information ***
	======================================================

OK, Welcome to the FreeBSD Help Service.  This service offers personalised
help to New Users having difficulty or even Semi-Experienced Users who have
temporarily run into a brick wall.  This information is for people who have
agreed to be Mentors.  Mentors will free the Developers from the very mundane
and time consuming task of `hand holding' of New Users.

Being a Mentor is really just being `a shoulder to cry on'.  You don't have
to be a `guru', but it probably helps :->.  The system will hopefully be
developed over a period to provide you with more resources and backup so
that Mentoring is less painful than you might first imagine.  You wont be
paid and you probably wont even be noticed.  However, your job is really
vital to the ongoing success of FreeBSD because your `little bit' collectively
will make an enormous difference, both to the workload of the Developers and
to the perception that the community at large has of the FreeBSD Project.

The system works by having as large a register of Mentors as possible.  New
Users in trouble and completing a `System Details Form' will be assigned to
a Mentor on a one-to-one basis, unless you have chosen to Mentor more than
one person.  The System Details Form is quite involved and should discourage
people making frivolous requests, since it will be easier for them to look up
the answer in the first place.  We should be able to assume that the New User
who genuinely completes this form is having real and non-trivial (to him/her)
problems.  Because we don't want this potential dissatisfied `customer' to go
away and grumble in public and damage our reputation, we will do our very
best to send him/her away totally satisfied with the service.

Whilst the customer is `always right',  there is a limit and Mentors will be
asked to use their discretion and `drop' any people who are obviously out to
start flame-wars or otherwise sabotage the system.  Just, very politely,
decline to render further assistance if this should happen to you.
You will also need to use judgement as to when to `cut the apron strings'.
Obviously you can't be expected to continue `hand holding' for ever.  The
aim should be to get them going and then to convince them that they are good
enough to go solo.  Another point to remember is that if you think a person
is really ready for it, you should encourage them to think about becoming
a new Mentor themselves.  Converting New Users into Mentors is the best way
of easing your own workload and of making the system really successful.

As a Mentor, you will be able to decide if you are competent to help a
particular person by having a close look at the supplied `System Details'.
If you feel that the system configuration or problem is beyond you, you can
decline to accept the job and it will be passed on to someone else.  The
ideal situation will be to try to `match up' as much as possible, Mentors
and New Users who have similar system configurations, at least in the area
where problems are being experienced by the New User.

To allow this to be done, all people volunteering for Mentor duty will be
asked to fill out a `Mentor System Configuration Form'.  There is one attached
to this message and it would be appreciated if you would take the trouble to
fill it out as fully as you can.  Filling in the form will then register you
as a Mentor with the system.

Here is a filled in example:-

register-mentor
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                     MENTOR SYSTEM CONFIGURATION FORM                      |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|NAME: A Hot Mentor (Superwiz)      |E-MAIL: hot.shot@here.i.am             |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|WHAT sort of Users can you take (put X's in boxes that best describe them) |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|One just starting | |   One with DOS/WIN - no Unix | |     Unix aware |X|  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
| BSD Unix aware   |X|     Bit more than just aware | |     Very aware | |  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|HOW MANY can you take (ie what is your hard limit): 3                      |
|===========================================================================|
|YOUR SYSTEM: Back Yard Computers Inc - Taiwanese Clone - AMI BIOS          |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|CPU: 486DX2/66 (Intel)          |RAM: 8MB          |BUS:  ISA/VLB          |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|HDD: Maxtor 270 MB IDE,  Western Digital 540 MB IDE                        |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|VIDEO: 1MB Cirrus Logic (model 5428) VLB, with a Viewsonic 15" model xyz   |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|FDD: 1.44MB Teac                      |CDROM: Mitsumi xyz model            |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|TAPE: None                            |SOUND: Soundblaster abc model       |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|MODEM: Dynalink xyz model             |ETHERNET: none                      |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|PRINTER: HP Deskjet abc model         |MOUSE: Microsoft serial             |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|KEYBOARD: Honeywell def model         |I/O PORTS: <any specific details>   |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|OTHER H/W:  <eg plotters, scanners, or other exotic stuff ... >            |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|CURRENT O/S: FreeBSD-1.1.5.1                                               |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|EXPECTED NEXT UPGRADE: FreeBSD-2.1R                                        |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|H/W EXPERTISE: IDE Hard Drives, Soundblasters, Modems                      |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|S/W INTERESTS: <list any software subsystems/packages that                 |
| you have any interest or expertise in>                                    |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|OTHER INFORMATION:                                                         |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Well that's about it.  Happy mentoring and thank you very much for agreeing
to help out with this vital work.

					     The FreeBSD Core Team.

=-=-=-=-=-=-Cut up to and including here to leave your blank form-=-=-=-=-=-=
register-mentor
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                     MENTOR SYSTEM CONFIGURATION FORM                      |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|NAME:                              |E-MAIL:                                |
+-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
|WHAT sort of Users can you take (put X's in boxes that best describe them) |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|One just starting | |   One with DOS/WIN - no Unix | |     Unix aware | |  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
| BSD Unix aware   | |     Bit more than just aware | |     Very aware | |  |
|                  +-+                              +-+                +-+  |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|HOW MANY can you take (ie what is your hard limit):                        |
|===========================================================================|
|YOUR SYSTEM:                                                               |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|CPU:                            |RAM:              |BUS:                   |
+--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
|HDD:                                                                       |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|VIDEO:                                                                     |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|FDD:                                  |CDROM:                              |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|TAPE:                                 |SOUND:                              |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|MODEM:                                |ETHERNET:                           |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|PRINTER:                              |MOUSE:                              |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|KEYBOARD:                             |I/O PORTS:                          |
+--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
|OTHER H/W:                                                                 |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|CURRENT O/S:                                                               |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|EXPECTED NEXT UPGRADE:                                                     |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|H/W EXPERTISE:                                                             |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|S/W INTERESTS:                                                             |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|OTHER INFORMATION:                                                         |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Please integrate as you best see fit..  Thanks!

				Jordan
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Attached is my slightly cleaned up version of the mailing list charters.

The only feedback I got (other than a few "it would be great if the
garbage was stopped") was from Joerg.  All in all,
a resounding silence.

Do with this as you will. I think it is an improvement over
what we have now.

There are two "???".

Peter

                     THE FREEBSD MAILING LIST FAQ 

$Id: mailing-list.FAQ,v 1.1 1995/03/21 20:19:32 jkh Exp $

- --
Though many of the FreeBSD development members read USENET, we cannot
always guarantee that we'll get to your questions in a timely fashion
(or at all) if you post them only to one of the comp.os.386bsd.*
groups.  By addressing your questions to the appropriate mailing list
you will reach both us and a concentrated FreeBSD audience, invariably
assuring a better (or at least faster) response.

There are list charters at the bottom of this document.  Please read
the list charter before joining a list.  We must strive to
keep the signal to noise ratio of the lists high, especially in
the technical lists.

LIST SUMMARY

General lists: The following are general lists that anyone is free to join:

List                            Purpose
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
freebsd-announce                Important events / milestones
freebsd-bugs                    Bug reports
freebsd-chat                    Non technical items related to the community
freebsd-policy                  Policy issues and suggestions
freebsd-questions               User questions
freebsd-current                 Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Technical lists: The following are the technical lists. You should
read the charter carefully before joining them, and you should keep
your e-mail within the scope of the guidelines.

List                            Purpose
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
freebsd-doc                     Documentation project
freebsd-fs                      Filesystems
freebsd-hackers                 General Technical discussions
freebsd-hardware                General discussion of FreeBSD hardware
freebsd-platforms               Porting to Non-Intel platforms
freebsd-ports                   Discussion of "ports"
freebsd-security                Security issues
freebsd-scsi                    SCSI subsystem
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Limited lists: The following are limited lists that you will need
approval to join.  Even though access to these lists is controled,
anyone is free to send suggestions and comments to them.  It is a
good idea establish a presence in the technical lists before asking
to join one of these limited lists.

List                            Purpose
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
freebsd-admin                   Administrative issues
freebsd-arch                    Architecture and design discussions
freebsd-core                    FreeBSD core team
freebsd-install                 Installation development
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

CVS lists: The following lists are for people seeing the log messages
for source changes in specific areas:

List name	Source area		Area Description (source for)
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
cvs-CVSROOT	/usr/src/[A-Z]*		Top level /usr/src file changes
cvs-all		/usr/src		All changes to the tree (superset)
cvs-bin		/usr/src/bin		System binaries
cvs-etc		/usr/src/etc		System files
cvs-games	/usr/src/games		Games
cvs-gnu		/usr/src/gnu		GPL'd utilities
cvs-include	/usr/src/include	Include files
cvs-kerberosIV	/usr/src/kerberosIV	Kerberos encryption code
cvs-lib		/usr/src/lib		System libraries
cvs-libexec	/usr/src/libexec	System binaries
cvs-ports	/usr/ports		Ported software
cvs-sbin	/usr/src/sbin		System binaries
cvs-share	/usr/src/share		System shared files
cvs-sys		/usr/src/sys		Kernel
cvs-usrbin	/usr/src/usr.bin	Use binaries
cvs-usrsbin	/usr/src/usr.sbin	System binaries
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE LISTS

All mailing lists live on `FreeBSD.ORG', so to post to a list you
simply mail to `<listname>@FreeBSD.ORG'.  It will then be redistributed
to mailing list members throughout the world.

To subscribe to a list, send mail to:

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And include the keyword

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In the body of your message.  For example, to subscribe yourself to
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                % mail majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG
                subscribe freebsd-announce
                ^D

If you want to subscribe yourself under a different name, or submit a
subscription request for a local mailing list (note: this is more efficient
if you have several interested parties at one site, and highly appreciated by
us!), you would do something like:

                % mail majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG
                subscribe freebsd-announce local-announce@somesite.com
                ^D

Finally, it is also possible to unsubscribe yourself from a list, get a
list of other list members or see the list of mailing lists again by
sending other types of control messages to majordomo.  For a complete
list of available commands, do this:

                % mail majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG
                help
                ^D

Finally, we again request that you keep the technical mailing lists on
a technical track.  If you're only interested in the "high points",
then it's suggested that you join freebsd-announce, which will contain
only infrequent traffic.

LIST CHARTERS

FREEBSD-ADMIN                   Administrative issues
???

FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE                Important events / milestones
This is the mailing list for people interested only in occasional
announcements of significant freebsd events.  This includes
announcements about snapshots and other releases.  It contains
announcements of new FreeBSD capabilities.  It may contain calls
for volunteers etc.  This is a low volume list.

FREEBSD-ARCH                    Architecture and design discussions
This is the mailing list for people discussing FreeBSD architectural
issues.  It is a closed list, and not for general subscription.

FREEBSD-BUGS                    Bug reports
This is the mailing list for reporting bugs in FreeBSD
Whenever possible, bugs should be
submitted using "send-pr".

FREEBSD-CHAT                    Non technical items related to the community
This list contains the overflow from the other lists about
non-technical, social information.  It includes discussion about
whether Jordan looks like a tune ferret or not, whether or not to
type in capitals, who is drinking too much coffee, where the best
beer is brewed, who is brewing beer in their basement, and so on.
Occasional announcements of important events (such as upcoming
parties, weddings, births, new jobs, etc) can be made to the
technical lists, but the follow ups should be directed to this
- -chat list.

FREEBSD-CORE                    FreeBSD core team
???
Could a core member please describe this list?  Even if it is "This is
the internal core mailing list."  I would prefer to see a description of
what is supposed to be on it.

FREEBSD-CURRENT                 Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current
This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-current.  It includes
warnings about new features coming out in -current that will affect the
users, and instructions on steps that must be taken to remain -current.
Anyone running "current" must subscribe to this list.

FREEBSD-DOC                     Documentation project
This mailing list belongs to the FreeBSD Doc Project

FREEBSD-FS                      Filesystems
Discussions concerning FreeBSD filesystems.

FREEBSD-HACKERS                 Technical discussions
This is a forum for technical discussions related to FreeBSD.  This
is the primary technical mailing list.  It
is for individuals actively working on FreeBSD, to bring up problems
or discuss alternative solutions.  Individuals interested in
following the technical discussion are also welcome.

FREEBSD-HARDWARE                General discussion of FreeBSD hardware
General discussion about the types of hardware that FreeBSD runs on,
various problems and suggestions concerning what to buy or avoid.

FREEBSD-INSTALL                 Installation discussion
This is the mailing list for people discussing FreeBSD installation
development for the 2.0 release.

FREEBSD-PLATFORMS               Porting to Non-Intel platforms
Cross-platform freebsd issues, general discussion and proposals for
non-Intel FreeBSD ports.

FREEBSD-POLICY                  Policy issues and suggestions
This is a forum for policy discussions related to FreeBSD.  This
includes where FreeBSD is going, how to set up a consortium, whether
or not and how to make FreeBSD pay for itself, how to attract more
users, and so on.  When a topic relates directly to FreeBSD but has
little or no technical content then it should be sent to this list.

FREEBSD-PORTS                   Discussion of "ports"
Discussions concerning FreeBSD's "ports collection" (/usr/ports), proposed
ports, modifications to ports collection infrastructure and general
coordination efforts.

FREEBSD-QUESTIONS               User questions
This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD.  You should not
send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the
question to be pretty technical.

FREEBSD-SCSI                    SCSI subsystem
This is the mailing list for people working on the scsi subsystem
for FreeBSD.

FREEBSD-SECURITY                Security issues
FreeBSD computer security issues (DES, Kerberos, known security holes and
fixes, etc).


                                Thank you!
- -- 
Peter Dufault               Real Time Machine Control and Simulation
HD Associates, Inc.         Voice: 508 433 6936
dufault@hda.com             Fax:   508 433 5267

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> The only feedback I got (other than a few "it would be great if the
> garbage was stopped") was from Joerg.  All in all,
> a resounding silence.
> 
> Do with this as you will. I think it is an improvement over
> what we have now.

Definitely!

> CVS lists: The following lists are for people seeing the log messages
> for source changes in specific areas:
> 
> List name	Source area		Area Description (source for)
> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> cvs-CVSROOT	/usr/src/[A-Z]*		Top level /usr/src file changes
> cvs-all	/usr/src		All changes to the tree (supers
et)
> cvs-bin	/usr/src/bin		System binaries
> cvs-etc	/usr/src/etc		System files
> cvs-games	/usr/src/games		Games
> cvs-gnu	/usr/src/gnu		GPL'd utilities
> cvs-include	/usr/src/include	Include files
> cvs-kerberosI	/usr/src/kerberosIV	Kerberos encryption code

Are you sure here? We have eBones, not Kerberos. Or does this list monitor
eBones? There is also no secure list.

M

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 
>                      THE FREEBSD MAILING LIST FAQ 
> 
> $Id: mailing-list.FAQ,v 1.1 1995/03/21 20:19:32 jkh Exp $
> 
> - --
> Though many of the FreeBSD development members read USENET, we cannot
> always guarantee that we'll get to your questions in a timely fashion
> (or at all) if you post them only to one of the comp.os.386bsd.*
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                       comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc.

tg


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Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> 
> Please integrate as you best see fit..  Thanks!
> 

Um, unless this has some recent changes (not obvious with a quick
look), it was integrated into the handbook quite some time ago.
Check the "Resources on the Internet" chapter.

-john

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> Firstly, we'll assume that you have tried the obvious steps like reading FAQs,
> INSTALL_NOTES, READMEs, or whatever documentation is available.  We will help
> anyway but the simple step of reading all the documentation can save lots of
> work for everyone.  We realise that sometimes documentation is either not
> available, out of date or too cryptic to be useful to many people.
> Hopefully we can help in these cases.

You might also add that if they did not find the documentation useful
to let us know, and to also tell us how we could make it better.
  
> mentor
>...
> +--------------------------------+------------------+-----------------------+
> |HDD: Maxtor 270 MB IDE,  Western Digital 540 MB IDE                        |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>...

You should also add a field for the user to enter the type/brand of
disk controller they are using.
-- 
Mike Pritchard
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"Go that way.  Really fast.  If something gets in your way, turn"

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Hi,

     Who is working on the FAQ?  I'd like to see a few things
added/clarified, and I'd be willing to write them up if they haven't
already been done.

[ P.S. -- I'm not yet a subscriber to the freebsd-doc mailing list, and
so any replies should be cc'd to "darrylo@sr.hp.com" until (and if) I
can get on the list.  Thanks. ]

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

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>      Who is working on the FAQ?  I'd like to see a few things
> added/clarified, and I'd be willing to write them up if they haven't
> already been done.

Gary (gclarkii@freebsd.org) and I (roberto@freebsd.org)

Thanks for your help.

-- 
Ollivier ROBERT     -=- The daemon is FREE! -=-     roberto@FreeBSD.ORG
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 13:44:44 -0700
From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freebsd.org>
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Subject: The history doc..
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Ya know, maybe we should change it back to "A Brief History of FreeBSD"..

I changed it to "A Brief History of FreeBSD, according to Jordan Hubbard"
just to make it clear who's viewpoint and possible bias was being represented
(having also re-written it in the first person to make it more generally
obvious that this was one individual's recollection) but now, looking
at it in the pages, it looks just plain redundant and like an exercise
in self-aggrandizement to boot.  Since we've already got all the
"contributed by" stuff, I vote for putting the title back to the short-and-
sweet version.

Thanks!

					Jordan