From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 04:09:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA16228 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:09:05 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16222 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:09:04 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:08:52 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:08:50 -0600 To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Cannot make world -- errors in tree Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think that the sup tree of -current is missing a header file update. ===> sbin/ipfw cc -O2 -c /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `show_ipfw': /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:184: structure has no membe r named `fw_bcnt' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 04:17:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA16282 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:17:37 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16276 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:17:36 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA01550 for hackers@freefall; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:17:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:17:27 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501081217.EAA01550@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: A very large clarification. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I must first apologise for being far too general in my rebuttal to Bill Paul's posting. I just had a long conversation with David (and, earlier, Nate) that made me realize just how ambiguous I must have been. This posting is my attempt to rectify that error. First thing: What I think of when I hear the word "install" has evidently gone far astray of everyone else's. I wasn't actually talking about the same "install" that Bill or Garrett were. No, when I say "install" I suppose that I am really talking about *configuration management*. My end of the installation always comes in at the higher level "bininst", don't forget, and I rely on Poul-Henning to provide the low level stuff. That is to say that the fdisk/disklabel stuff will probably be still done much in the old way, and as Poul-Henning dictates. If anything, I'd expect sysinstall to get more wizard knobs on it (not less), and just because the stuff *I'm* interested in is the fancy _customization_ stuff that you can enter at any time after the bare-bones install ** doesn't mean that I am suggesting that the bare-bones install use X **!!. I am sorry if I gave that impression! I was talking out-loud about what I had in mind for the *customization* phase of "installation". I intend to work only at the very trailing edge of the installation, with stuff you do after you've landed safely and want to start making things look more personalized (if you _want_ to). Poul can worry about the low-end stuff, since it's more his forte'. I wouldn't dream of making the fixit floppy be X based! :-) Two: I agree that the shell must return. I suppose that a 3 floppy set (and 1 floppy cd set) should be accepted as inevitable? I think the 2 floppy boot was a neat trick, but just a bit too cramped! :( Three: I do NOT plan to do any of this X stuff for 2.1. Again, I am thinking long term. 6 months to a year ahead. A properly done configuration management system will take me MONTHS to do! There's no way I was ever talking about doing it for 2.1. Impossible! This is a long term goal, and one I'll do because I enjoy doing it. Four: My reference to 2GB boot disks was mostly faceteous, and I wasn't even trying to say that I expected all of our *boot media* to come in 2GB form. I was simply rebutting Bill's implied (at least to me) statement that "all this stuff was just impossible to get on your system - far too big!". I don't think I need to go for 12 floppy installations, but if one could bring up the system *fully* on 3 floppies, then I see no reason why I might not ALSO offer a 8 floppy (est) "configuration pack" that let you do all kinds of neat stuff with your system using X Inside's X server and some cute tools written in Tk. I'm not asking the hackers to use it, I'm just wanting to do this because I think it's useful and it's the kind of stuff *I* like to do! :-) Hell, it's not even an original idea! Adam Richter seems to be doing very well with it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 04:33:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA16617 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:33:58 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16611 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:33:56 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id HAA12767 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:31:16 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/1.34) id HAA06008; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:18:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:18:40 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199501081218.HAA06008@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: FreeBSD Mailing lists In-reply-to: FreeBSD Mailing lists's message of Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:50:30 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Timeline of FreeBSD Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Here is my revised timeline to date. Again, if anyone has any suggestions >or corrections please relay them to me. > >Note: Any where you see a ``?'', this some place I'm not sure of the date. > Also, if you see a history point that is wrong or missing, please let > me know. I would have no excuse for having wrong information.:) Yes. This whole timeline thing may be an admirable goal and all, but there are a number of errors of dates, chronology, and details in the above. Furthermore, I don't think it really belongs in the -hackers list, and further beyond that all you have to do is go get all the mail in Warren Toomey's archives, and you will have the entire history of 386BSD and FreeBSD in utter detail. How about doing that first? - Gene Stark From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 04:59:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA16863 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:59:41 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16857 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 04:59:37 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23820; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:28 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:59:06 PST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: RE: Cannot make world -- errors in tree To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, Richard Wackerbarth X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I think that the sup tree of -current is missing a header file update. > >===> sbin/ipfw >cc -O2 -c /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c >/pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `show_ipfw': >/pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:184: structure has no membe >r named `fw_bcnt' As i am in charge of my mumbling code :) i'v checked it. ip_fw.h is ok and up to date for ipfw.c,and i didn't changed it for a good couple of weeks so probably you should have also up to date ip_fw.h file. (For me it is supped ok).May be your include path is bad or got messed and you include old ip_fw.h version? -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 05:23:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA17334 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:23:08 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA17328 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:23:06 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA00420; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:23:45 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199501081323.IAA00420@hda.com> Subject: Re: Commit testing To: gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:23:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501072100.NAA20491@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jan 7, 95 01:00:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1088 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Justin T. Gibbs writes: > > Well, I usually thoroughly test my code, and when I'm ready to commit > it, SUP current and rebuild, do about an hour or so of testing again, > and commit. Then I re-sup, merge conflicts, and retest to see if I've > left anything out or botched the commit. For future commits, I plan > on checking out a brand new copy of the kernel sources (I sup CVS) in > this phase since otherwise its hard to tell if you left anything out > of the commit. Does this mean you don't test it compile Freefall? It doesn't seem like compiling on freefall is easy unless you check out most of sys. Or am I missing something? I wanted to 1. sup current 2. Test locally 3. Log in; check out, change, compile, check in 4. sup again 5. test locally Is this overkill? Is there an easy way to compile on freefall during step 3? Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 -- Formerly hd@world.std.com. E-mail problems? Tell hdslip@iii.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 06:55:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA18113 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:55:25 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18107 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:55:22 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA02295; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:56:10 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199501081456.JAA02295@hda.com> Subject: I screwed up somehow with commit To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1079 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried my first commit, and I don't understand how it plays with sup. I am not getting the changed files back when I sup current. I made my changes and commited them. That went fine. I went back to my system and re-supped, but didn't get the changed files. For example, I changed "su.c" by making it real. I have this when I sup: > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 70 Nov 18 1993 su.c Which is the old, empty file. And if I do a "cvs co sys/scsi/su.c" on freefall: > -rw-r--r-- 1 dufault dufault 7235 Jan 8 05:38 su.c I see the new, real file. And if I re-sup sys just to check: > SUP Fileserver 8.13 (4.3 BSD) 17984 on freefall.cdrom.com at 09:44:50 > SUP Fileserver supports compression. > SUP Requesting changes since Jan 8 04:14:49 1995 > SUP Upgrade of sys completed at Jan 8 09:45:08 1995 What am I doing wrong? Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 -- Formerly hd@world.std.com. E-mail problems? Tell hdslip@iii.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 07:30:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA18736 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:30:55 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA18730 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:30:53 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id QAA16057 ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:31:32 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28604; Sun, 8 Jan 95 16:31:41 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501081531.AA28604@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such... To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Wankle Rotary Engine) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:31:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199501072049.PAA05164@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "Wankle Rotary Engine" at Jan 7, 95 03:49:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 973 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I know that what I'm about to say probably won't be well received, but > this is how I really feel, so I have to say say it: I'm maybe a little late but I must agree with most of what you've said. The question is "do we really want to address the same users as Linux ?", "do we want to get all the DOS wheenies that just want ot run Linux (or *BSD) just because it a kind of fashion" ? I may seem pretty hard on these users but the fact that the intended audience (sp ?) was not the same for *BSD and Linux (at the beginning) has always been a strong point for me (even if I'm a forever-BSD-addict). A good, robust (even with character based menus fro things like network setup and such) is fine. Having a slackware-like, with X11 and all that just to get more DOS users is not that needed IMO. Shoot away :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: the daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 07:58:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA18994 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:58:31 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA18982 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:58:27 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA08971; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:58:12 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 17:57:49 PST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: RE: I screwed up somehow with commit To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, Peter Dufault X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I tried my first commit, and I don't understand how it plays with sup. >I am not getting the changed files back when I sup current. Hehe..month or two ago after my first commit i fell in the same holes:) Well,look into /etc/crontab on freefall.You will see that real update of files in CVS repository made at some fixed time which is 4 times a day at 7,12,*,* at freefall time,don't remember now.Actually CVS does not changes files so something need to be done to change sources.CVS only stores diff information in filename,v. That's all,wait and see:) -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 09:51:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA20256 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:51:10 -0800 Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu (saul4.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA20250 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:51:09 -0800 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27576; Sun, 8 Jan 95 09:50:52 -0800 X-Sender: spaz@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Utz To: Gene Stark Cc: FreeBSD Mailing lists , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Timeline of FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199501081218.HAA06008@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi; On Sun, 8 Jan 1995, Gene Stark wrote: > >Here is my revised timeline to date. Again, if anyone has any suggestions > >or corrections please relay them to me. > > > >Note: Any where you see a ``?'', this some place I'm not sure of the date. > > Also, if you see a history point that is wrong or missing, please let > > me know. I would have no excuse for having wrong information.:) > > Yes. > > This whole timeline thing may be an admirable goal and all, but > there are a number of errors of dates, chronology, and details in the > above. Furthermore, I don't think it really belongs in the -hackers list, why the heck not? > and further beyond that all you have to do is go get all the mail in > Warren Toomey's archives, and you will have the entire history of 386BSD > and FreeBSD in utter detail. How about doing that first? > that is kind of a good point..but will it have the real old stuff? > - Gene Stark > ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 10:24:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA20608 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 10:24:30 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA20602 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 10:24:30 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA22384; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 10:56:54 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199501081856.KAA22384@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: Commit testing To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 10:56:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501081323.IAA00420@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Jan 8, 95 08:23:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Justin T. Gibbs writes: > > > > Well, I usually thoroughly test my code, and when I'm ready to commit > > it, SUP current and rebuild, do about an hour or so of testing again, > > and commit. Then I re-sup, merge conflicts, and retest to see if I've > > left anything out or botched the commit. For future commits, I plan > > on checking out a brand new copy of the kernel sources (I sup CVS) in > > this phase since otherwise its hard to tell if you left anything out > > of the commit. > > Does this mean you don't test it compile Freefall? It doesn't seem like I never test compile on Freefall. Its almost always imposible because the tools, header files, etc are all back at the previos release. I just pull over diffs (cvs diff -c's of my source tree) check out the areas I need, patch, and commit. > compiling on freefall is easy unless you check out most of sys. > Or am I missing something? I wanted to > > 1. sup current > 2. Test locally > 3. Log in; check out, change, compile, check in > 4. sup again > 5. test locally > > Is this overkill? Is there an easy way to compile on freefall during step 3? You can try it, but I think you might find it difficult. If you have the space, you might also talk to Jordan about get CSV-sup access. Haveing the tree local makes development much easier. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation > HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 > dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 > -- Formerly hd@world.std.com. E-mail problems? Tell hdslip@iii.net > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 10:27:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA20639 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 10:27:54 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA20633 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 10:27:53 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA22396; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:00:13 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199501081900.LAA22396@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: I screwed up somehow with commit To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501081456.JAA02295@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Jan 8, 95 09:56:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1110 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I tried my first commit, and I don't understand how it plays with sup. > I am not getting the changed files back when I sup current. > > I made my changes and commited them. That went fine. > > I went back to my system and re-supped, but didn't get the changed > files. For example, I changed "su.c" by making it real. I have this > when I sup: > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 70 Nov 18 1993 su.c > > Which is the old, empty file. Sup only CVS co's and re-scans the src area once every 4 hours (or is it 8). Sup'ing the CVS tree is immediate since sup does not use a scan file for that area. > What am I doing wrong? > > Peter > > -- > Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation > HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 > dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 > -- Formerly hd@world.std.com. E-mail problems? Tell hdslip@iii.net > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 12:32:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA27288 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:32:22 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA27281 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:32:16 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05289; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:33:09 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id VAA15532 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:33:08 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA28137; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:00:15 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501082000.VAA28137@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: Commit testing To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:00:15 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199501081323.IAA00420@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Jan 8, 95 08:23:44 am X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 893 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: | | Does this mean you don't test it compile Freefall? It doesn't seem like | compiling on freefall is easy unless you check out most of sys. | Or am I missing something? I wanted to Last time i tried (to test-compile my latest floppy code), i even wasn't able to config(8) on freefall -- the config program has been changed, but freefall runs -RELEASE. So perhaps the only chance for this is to test-compile on thud which usually runs a more recent kernel. Maybe for most things it would suffice to cp -rp /usr/src/sys into a private directory (or even symlink), and copy over the changed files. Should be less expensive than cvs co'ing sys. -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 12:59:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA03690 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:59:18 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA03680 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:59:06 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05912; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:00:00 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id VAA15609 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:59:59 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA28784; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:46:14 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501082046.VAA28784@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such... To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:46:14 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <29796.789524071@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 7, 95 04:14:31 pm X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 857 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Oh no, i don't reply to the chorus... :^) As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: | | .... Just think of a router, or an NFS | server, or an NIS box - all possibly administered with little better | than serial terminals (how well does Joerg's serial boot code work, | anyway? :-). It works for me on four machines, three thereof running in a produc- tion environment. Anyway it would be impossible to fit it together with the VGA/kbd boot blocks, due to the space constraints (unless we would de-featurize our boot blocks:). The worst problem with it is that (AFAIK) only AMI BIOSses are able to boot without any sort of graphics board at all. -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 13:19:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA04774 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:19:47 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA04766 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:19:43 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA28360; Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:13:46 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501082113.AA28360@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Dear Poul... (was: Dear Terry...) To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:13:44 MST Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199501070703.XAA07527@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jan 6, 95 11:03:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Sometimes I can't help it, I get these weird ideas... > > When I read this email I felt like a Roman emperor, on my march of triumph > through Rome, and while my heart swells with pride I have this slave > wispering in my ear: "remember cesar, thou art mortal!" > (look it up!) I got the reference... personally, I feel like Claudius. > Well, I just wanted to say thanks! Sometimes we need a devils advocate ! Ana osa requiu de pasqualum... (spelling? I'm not used to Latin character sets...) 8-). > regarding PCMCIA. > > I personally think that the PCMCIA spec suffers from needless generality. > > My plan is to implement the things we actually want to have, as opposed to > things we might want to be able to do some day. That means that I will > be looking for a simple framework and a lightweight implementation. > > The single most popular cards will be modems, ethers, disks and possibly > SCSIs. I am somewhat interested in execute_in_place from a FLASH card too, > but apart from that, I don't really plan to carry it further. Oh, I wasn't suggesting any more than that. It's just that the UnixWare approach (written by Kurt Mahon) suffers from a generality in one area and a lack of generality in another. Specifically, he's written his code as a set of "enablers", the sole purpose of which is to attach absolutlely anything via PCMCIA as if it were an ISA device, and then use the ISA drivers, which don't know about anything about detach. His is too general, in that it encompasses everything, and it's too specific, in that it doesn't allow for popping a card out while it's hot (one of your design goals, you said). Actually, it's relatively trivial to handle the general case of enabling almost everything, excepting the PCMCIA cards that like to map into multiple address ranges or to multiple interrupts. The reason I suggested a bus attach is the same reason that the AHA 29xx drivers don't work: card drivers should have specific knowledge of an attach record, not specific knowledge of a bus. The same goes for cards that can be PCMCIA, ISA, or bridged on the motherboard (ie: some SoundBlaster implementations), as well as multiple SCSI and CDROM interfaces on daughter-boards on sound cards. That's actually a general problem that needs to be solved, and my prodding was to get you thinking about it so that at least it was not excluded in the design (meaning that if it is a goal, it won't have to be a total redesign later to achieve it). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 13:30:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA08395 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:30:46 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA08359 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:30:44 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA28469; Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:24:24 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501082124.AA28469@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:24:24 MST Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, dawes@physics.su.oz.au, cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199501071403.IAA21258@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jan 7, 95 08:01:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It might be worth looking into SCO Visual TCL. It supports both curses and > X-based interfaces. Licensing might be a problem... they don't claim the API > just the implementation. > > A better solution might be to use Shellforms and write a Shellforms compatible > parser that use Tk. > > A really *nifty* solution would be to use WWW forms, since there are already > curses and X based interfaces to them. Authentication and security are likely > to be problems, though. Plus you'd need to be running one of the HTTPDs. Why not implement wksh? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 13:34:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA09919 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:34:03 -0800 Received: from herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil [134.207.7.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA09913 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:34:01 -0800 Received: (from fenner@localhost) by herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id QAA24013 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:33:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:33:47 -0500 From: "William C. Fenner" Message-Id: <199501082133.QAA24013@herman.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: tty & device driver changes from 1.1.5.1 -> current? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm writing a device driver for the Arnet SmartPort, under 1.1.5.1 . I am writing it for a school which is running 1.1.5.1 on their Internet server, and I didn't want to make them upgrade their only Internet presence to 2.0 right away. Anyway, can anyone give me some kind of idea how much I will need to do to port the driver to -current? Also, does anyone *have* one of these boards, so they can alpha-test my work? Due to equipment shortages, all of my testing so far has pretty much involved "cat /etc/termcap > /dev/ttya1" and watching the little lights blink on the breakout box =( Thanks, Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 14:04:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA10476 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:04:26 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA10470 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:04:25 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA28603; Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:58:27 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501082158.AA28603@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Porting cyclades driver; sigh To: hsu@cs.hut.fi Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 14:58:27 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501071844.UAA06214@smile.clinet.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Jan 7, 95 08:44:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Odd ones: NetBSD ttioctl has got struct proc * as its last argument; when > did this hop in NetBSD, or outa FreeBSD? Is it necessary? Well, I just > #ifdef it out for now and see how it explodes. I have looked at this code, and don't understand it either. I have a theory, but it depends on an extremely partial move, which is actually probably not the correct move. Hopefully, there are still NetBSD listeners on the list that can say "no, Terry, you fool, it's this...", or confirm or deny or otherwise provide input. The current proc might be necessary if you expected a kernel thread context switch in the middle of processing the ioctl. I don't see how this could actually happen given the rest of the code the way it is. Typically, you'd do this if you wanted to get data from the process address space for arguments that would occur after a long duration event has been satified subsequent to the context switch. In reality, this implementation can only interfere with an Xkernel/Streams based tty driver; on the other hand, they may not consider this something they want to do anyway, so it would be OK. The alternate implementation would be to copy the arguments down at the interface level, and never use the curproc after that. Since the return path must be through the same system call that got the process into the kernel, copyout could occur all at return time. There *is* a potential for saving several internal data copies if the ioctl went directly into and out of user space... this might be what they are trying to do. Since this is all predicated on a multithreaded/MP kernel and a particular approach to saving copies, I'd have to submit that this whole idea is probably not what they are doing... or if it is, it's a work-in-progress, since the per process open file table and other simple per-process structures that would be affected by kernel multithreading are still "broken" for that application in both BSD's. One final alternative may be a multiport driver binary compatability interface for BSDi drivers. I've talked about doing this for SCO drivers, and if this is it, it's extremely desirable, and ought to be migrated to FreeBSD as soon as possible. This condemning something because of its origin (note: NOT because of licensing -- that's perfectly reasonable to do) has got to stop. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 14:38:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA11849 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:38:13 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA11843 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:38:11 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA28749; Sun, 8 Jan 95 15:30:49 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501082230.AA28749@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Timeline of FreeBSD To: freebsd@neon.gbdata.com (FreeBSD Mailing lists) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 95 15:30:49 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199501080050.SAA14012@neon.gbdata.com> from "FreeBSD Mailing lists" at Jan 7, 95 06:50:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Here is my revised timeline to date. Again, if anyone has any suggestions > or corrections please relay them to me. I'm guessing you did not get my direct email? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 14:59:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12278 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:45 -0800 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA12272 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:44 -0800 Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA243245969; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:59:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199501082259.AA243245969@hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00774; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:58:29 +1100 From: "M.C Wong" Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 9:58:28 EDT Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199501061750.SAA00134@uhura>; from "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" at Jan 6, 95 6:50 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Here at our institute, many people fell in love with Micro$oft's NT (not me!), > because it's so simple to install and to administer. Just clicking around > and it works. Even our hardware-technician, who doesn't know what TCP/IP, > NT services, etc exactly are, can configure these things. > > So I think, if FreeBSD should have a future, we'll have to do some work: > [ .. snipped] > > Christian. > cg@fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at > >From what I have spoken to people/colleages who haven't mucked around much with FreeBSD nor any other freeware Unix-like OS, they've got a strong favour towards MS* OS for the following reasons : 1) While we always take FreeBSD networking, multitasking and multiuser features for granted as merits and credits against MS* OS, (they believe) MS* will always be able to build a more sophisticated OS with all those features + more proper hardware vendors support to bring the level of features up to or even exceeding what is currently available in FreeBSD & freeware OS. 2) OTOH, applications (especially commercial ports) available for MS* OS are much much far exceeding those for FreeBSD, and as freeware OS as concerned, the potential for such OS to catch up with or even blow away MS* OS is almost impossible. While I am a loyal fan of FreeBSD since the good old days of 386BSD 0.1, and I ONLY use FreeBSD nowadays, I believe the above 2 factors are sufficient for many to believe Windows and NT is the future OS of choice, and vital enough to kill the effort of such a lovely OS. I always believe for FreeBSD to play a more influential role against other BIG NAME OS, some fundamental infrastructural organization is needed, namely while many people fall in love with kernel hacking, user and admin level of essential utilities and tools with GREAT EASE FOR USE have been overlooked by many. One observation (from RHS's WWW page) from Red Hat Software Linux distribution reveals that these fundamental requirement play a BIG role in their new distribution. All their admin tools are X11 based with menu driven, and it can track every software package installed on your system. I believe the core team people can lay out some proposals for such direction, and many other will start following. Seriously speaking, FreeBSD core team has always had increasing number of volunteers, but seems to be mainly in kernel hacking as this is the prime and highest priority activity anyway. But with FreeBSD approaching a stable and EXCELLENT status, I believe much attention from various volunteers is needed BADLY for building up an environment that is both powerful and easy to use. This is particularly true for new users, and for presenting FreeBSD image to prospective (commercial) software developers who consider software ports. Just my 0.02 worth. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M.C Wong Email: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com Australian Telecom Operation Voice: +61 3 272 8058 Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd Fax: +61 3 898 9257 31 Joseph St, Blackburn 3130, Australia OS: FreeBSD-1.1.5.1 http://hpautow.aus.hp.com:9999/~mcw/mcw.html (or http://hpautorf/~mcw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 15:00:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA12347 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:00:46 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA12339 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:00:33 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA13630 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:49:39 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA18062; 8 Jan 95 16:32:55 CST (Sun) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA18058; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:32:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199501082232.QAA18058@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, dawes@physics.su.oz.au, cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jan 95 14:24:24 MST." <9501082124.AA28469@cs.weber.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 16:32:51 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Why not implement wksh? Um, because Tk already does everything Wksh does, and it's already there? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 15:12:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA12846 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:26 -0800 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12840 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:25 -0800 Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA245546730; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199501082312.AA245546730@hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00972; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:11:08 +1100 From: "M.C Wong" Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 10:11:07 EDT Cc: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <13554.789447604@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 06, 95 7:00 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > 1. We have to make configuring as easy as possible for those users, who > > never want to look 'behind the scenes'. There should be a way to install > > and configure FreeBSD for *non-experts*! > > Well, I think we all agree to this, what we really need to agree on is > the *framework*. How does this all-singing and all-dancing > configuration environment work? Scripts? Some sort of TCL based > tool? What? We've had a few abortive attempts at this in the past, > but nothing that anybody could ever really use to build a complete > configuration management system! I guess this sort of framework should exist in both terminal mode as well as X11. In which case I believe ncurses and/or Soren's SVGA lib (? or the like) plays an important role, since upon fresh installation, not every machine will have X11 installed. Can Taligent's OO-framework philosophy apply well in this situation ? If so, this will make a good starting point. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M.C Wong Email: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com Australian Telecom Operation Voice: +61 3 272 8058 Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd Fax: +61 3 898 9257 31 Joseph St, Blackburn 3130, Australia OS: FreeBSD-1.1.5.1 http://hpautow.aus.hp.com:9999/~mcw/mcw.html (or http://hpautorf/~mcw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 15:19:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13005 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:19:08 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12997 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:19:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02715; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:18:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Dufault cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: I screwed up somehow with commit In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jan 95 09:56:10 EST." <199501081456.JAA02295@hda.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 15:18:35 -0800 Message-ID: <2714.789607115@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I tried my first commit, and I don't understand how it plays with sup. > I am not getting the changed files back when I sup current. The src tree xfered by sup is only updated every 8 hours or so. You'll have to wait awhile to see your change! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 16:01:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14445 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:01:36 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14429 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:01:29 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA01169; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:56:23 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:56:23 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501082356.KAA01169@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hsu@cs.hut.fi, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: Porting cyclades driver; sigh Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Odd ones: NetBSD ttioctl has got struct proc * as its last argument; when >> did this hop in NetBSD, or outa FreeBSD? Is it necessary? Well, I just >> #ifdef it out for now and see how it explodes. >I have looked at this code, and don't understand it either. I have a >theory, but it depends on an extremely partial move, which is actually >probably not the correct move. Hopefully, there are still NetBSD It's really ugly for the device driver to sometimes use the pointer passed to it and other times have to use "p = curproc;" /* XXX */" because it forgot to pass the pointer to a subroutine. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 16:13:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14916 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:13:58 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14910 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:13:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02970; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:12:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva), dawes@physics.su.oz.au, cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jan 95 14:24:24 MST." <9501082124.AA28469@cs.weber.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 16:12:16 -0800 Message-ID: <2969.789610336@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Why not implement wksh? Actually, Novell (or AT&T or whomever currently owns the technology) was talking about *giving* this to us at some point, but I'm not sure what happened to this. I have to talk with the guy who was spearheading it.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 16:21:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA15266 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:21:32 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA15258 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:21:30 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03012; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:21:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Porting cyclades driver; sigh In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jan 95 14:58:27 MST." <9501082158.AA28603@cs.weber.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 16:21:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3011.789610870@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > One final alternative may be a multiport driver binary compatability > interface for BSDi drivers. I've talked about doing this for SCO > drivers, and if this is it, it's extremely desirable, and ought to > be migrated to FreeBSD as soon as possible. This would be wonderful (Really! There is a LOT of SCO support out there), but our problem is simply one of manpower. Who on our team really understand SCO well enough (or even runs it!) to even think of doing this? One guy (Soren) is all that comes to my mind. That makes an `as soon as possible' timeline for it later, rather than sooner! :-( > This condemning something because of its origin (note: NOT because of > licensing -- that's perfectly reasonable to do) has got to stop. Indeed. Speaking of which, has anyone looked at BSDI's "mslip" stuff? I fetched it over the other day from ftp.bsdi.com and had a brief look. The idea is certainly interesting! Do load-balancing on a number of slip lines simultaneously, all from the kernel (beats buying an external bandwidth-on-demand cisco to do the same thing! :-). I could see buying another 28.8K slip line to try and see how close I could get to 56K.. :-) Anyway, this is some neat technology they've put together and we should see what's necessary for us to do the same. When you live in the same CO as your service provider, buying multiple voice lines and 28.8K modems isn't a bad way of ramping all the way up to 128k (assuming perfect scalability for 4 lines, which we all know ain't the case). ISDN incurs per-minute costs which are untenable for dedicated service. A local call into your CO costs nothing! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 16:29:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA16307 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:29:50 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA16301 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:29:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03083; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 16:26:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "M.C Wong" cc: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 95 09:58:28 EDT." <199501082259.AA243215966@hp.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 16:26:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3082.789611216@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Seriously speaking, FreeBSD core team has always had increasing number of > volunteers, but seems to be mainly in kernel hacking as this is the prime and > highest priority activity anyway. But with FreeBSD approaching a stable and > EXCELLENT status, I believe much attention from various volunteers is needed > BADLY for building up an environment that is both powerful and easy to use. > This is particularly true for new users, and for presenting FreeBSD image to > prospective (commercial) software developers who consider software ports. Well, folks, at least ONE person agrees with me! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 17:37:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA17701 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:37:30 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17695 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:37:25 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA02954; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:35:55 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:35:55 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501090135.MAA02954@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dufault@hda.com, gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Commit testing Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I never test compile on Freefall. Its almost always imposible because the >tools, header files, etc are all back at the previos release. I just pull It should be possible to test on thud. However, thud is usually a little behind what I'm running, and it's not practical to reboot to test kernel changes. >You can try it, but I think you might find it difficult. If you have the >space, you might also talk to Jordan about get CSV-sup access. Haveing >the tree local makes development much easier. Having the tree local is essential for me since I have a very slow non-24-hour link to freefall. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 17:51:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA17803 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:51:51 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17795 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:51:46 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA03141; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:47:36 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:47:36 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501090147.MAA03141@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dufault@hda.com, gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Commit testing Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Well, I usually thoroughly test my code, and when I'm ready to commit >it, SUP current and rebuild, do about an hour or so of testing again, >and commit. Then I re-sup, merge conflicts, and retest to see if I've I usually test my code for a few days or longer, merging it with -current every day. When I commit it, I don't expect to see any conflicts. After I commit it, I don't worry about it until a ctm update arrives 12-24 hours later. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 17:56:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA17848 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:56:54 -0800 Received: from dylan.mindspring.com (dylan.mindspring.com [204.180.128.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17842 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:56:51 -0800 Received: from tweldon.mindspring.com [168.121.29.114] by dylan.mindspring.com with SMTP id UAA00331; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 20:56:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199501090156.UAA00331@dylan.mindspring.com> X-Sender: tweldon@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 08 Jan 1995 20:56:17 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: tweldon@mindspring.com (Tom Weldon) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com X-Mailer: Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD support EIDE with 32 heads? I have tried to change the Geometry in the fdisk during installation, but it says that it cannot change to 32 heads in the partition table. My BIOS is set to 32 heads, 63 sectors, 682 cylinders, but the wd0 driver detects 16 heads, 63, sectors, 1365 cylinders. Will I have to change my BIOS settings? I didn't see anything in the FAQ's concerning this, although FAQ.1 does say that EIDE is supported. Tom Weldon Atlanta, GA tweldon@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 18:26:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA18205 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:26:10 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18199 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:26:06 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA03800; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:25:18 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:25:18 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501090225.NAA03800@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, tweldon@mindspring.com Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does FreeBSD support EIDE with 32 heads? I have tried to change the Geometry Not yet. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 18:42:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA18345 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:42:26 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18339 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:42:25 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA23236; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:14:11 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199501090314.TAA23236@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: Commit testing To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:14:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: dufault@hda.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501090147.MAA03141@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 9, 95 12:47:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 859 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >Well, I usually thoroughly test my code, and when I'm ready to commit > >it, SUP current and rebuild, do about an hour or so of testing again, > >and commit. Then I re-sup, merge conflicts, and retest to see if I've > > I usually test my code for a few days or longer, merging it with > -current every day. When I commit it, I don't expect to see any > conflicts. After I commit it, I don't worry about it until a ctm > update arrives 12-24 hours later. > > Bruce > By conflicts, I mean conflicts with my own changes, since I haven't come up with a way to have CVS realize that it was me who committed the code albeit on a remote system. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 18:56:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA18442 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:56:47 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18436 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:56:41 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA04201; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:52:50 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:52:50 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501090252.NAA04201@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: tty & device driver changes from 1.1.5.1 -> current? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, can anyone give me some kind of idea how much I will need >to do to port the driver to -current? Use clists instead of ring buffers and don't use any of the improvements in tty.c between 1.0 and 1.1.5. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 19:02:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA18519 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:02:15 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18511 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:02:03 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA04261; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:56:30 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:56:30 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501090256.NAA04261@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Commit testing Cc: dufault@hda.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >By conflicts, I mean conflicts with my own changes, since I haven't >come up with a way to have CVS realize that it was me who committed the code >albeit on a remote system. I avoid this problem by not committing to cvs locally. How do you sup cvs without having it overwrite changes? Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 19:06:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA18607 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:06:54 -0800 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18589 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:05:54 -0800 Received: from p0.uniserve.com (p0.uniserve.com [198.53.215.193]) by haven.uniserve.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05239; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:52:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:52:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199501090152.RAA05239@haven.uniserve.com> X-Sender: tom@haven.uniserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) From: tom@haven.uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Subject: Re: Porting cyclades driver; sigh Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:21 PM 1/8/95 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Speaking of which, has anyone looked at BSDI's "mslip" stuff? I >fetched it over the other day from ftp.bsdi.com and had a brief look. >The idea is certainly interesting! Do load-balancing on a number of >slip lines simultaneously, all from the kernel (beats buying an Doesn't Linux have network load balancing support as well? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 21:39:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA19910 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:39:32 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA19904 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:39:30 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA23481; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:10:06 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199501090610.WAA23481@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: Commit testing To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:10:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, dufault@hda.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501090256.NAA04261@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 9, 95 01:56:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 625 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >By conflicts, I mean conflicts with my own changes, since I haven't > >come up with a way to have CVS realize that it was me who committed the code > >albeit on a remote system. > > I avoid this problem by not committing to cvs locally. How do you sup > cvs without having it overwrite changes? > > Bruce > I don't commit locally, but when I do an update, the changes are in CVS and in the tree I update. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 8 22:39:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA20213 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:39:23 -0800 Received: from beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA20207 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 22:39:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199501090639.WAA20207@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA13742; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:38:11 +0800 From: Yen-Wei Liu Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree To: rkw@dataplex.net Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 14:38:10 EAT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: ; from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Jan 8, 95 6:08 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think that the sup tree of -current is missing a header file update. > > ===> sbin/ipfw > cc -O2 -c /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c > /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `show_ipfw': > /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:184: structure has no membe > r named `fw_bcnt' > The newest ip_fw.h is under /usr/src/sys/i386/[???]/netinet/. Apparently SUP doesn't update /usr/include/* ... 8-( Maybe this is a bug ? 8-) I cannot compile several programs too . -- Yen-Wei Liu (ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 00:28:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA20941 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:28:37 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA20934 for hackers; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:28:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:28:36 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501090828.AAA20934@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: Mail about `dir' file. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did no one get my trestise on markers in the "dir" file for /usr/bin/info's benefit? Did no one simply care? Argh. We gotta agree something, maybe I'll just go do it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 00:34:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA20983 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:34:41 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA20977 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:34:40 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA23718; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:06:30 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199501090906.BAA23718@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree To: ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:06:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: rkw@dataplex.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501090639.WAA20207@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Jan 9, 95 02:38:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1020 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > I think that the sup tree of -current is missing a header file update. > > > > ===> sbin/ipfw > > cc -O2 -c /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c > > /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `show_ipfw': > > /pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:184: structure has no membe > > r named `fw_bcnt' > > > > > The newest ip_fw.h is under /usr/src/sys/i386/[???]/netinet/. Apparently > SUP doesn't update /usr/include/* ... 8-( No, SUP updates /usr/src/include, so you must "make includes" before /usr/src/ include is updated. > > Maybe this is a bug ? 8-) I cannot compile several programs too . > Do a make world, and you are almost always guaranteed to get the right dependancies. > -- > Yen-Wei Liu (ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw) > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 00:38:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA21075 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:38:51 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA21069 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:38:50 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA16166; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:37:32 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501090837.AAA16166@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such... To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 00:37:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501080214.SAA00707@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jan 7, 95 06:14:04 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 278 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unless I get evicted from the release-eng chair, 2.1 will not have a X11 based install. Curses can do everything we need. dixit. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 02:34:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA23422 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 02:34:56 -0800 Received: from neon.gbdata.com (Phoenix-GW.GBData.COM [199.3.234.240]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23416; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 02:34:47 -0800 Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by neon.gbdata.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA20493; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:02:21 -0600 From: FreeBSD Mailing lists Message-Id: <199501091102.FAA20493@neon.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:02:20 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501090828.AAA20934@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 9, 95 00:28:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 340 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Did no one get my trestise on markers in the "dir" file for /usr/bin/info's > benefit? Did no one simply care? Argh. We gotta agree something, maybe > I'll just go do it. > > Jordan > Jordan, As long as you don't mind having the inserting program written in perl, I'll do it. Expect a test version ETA 12-24 hours. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 03:23:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA23919 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:23:39 -0800 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA23912; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:23:25 -0800 Received: from ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.28.1]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04567; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:22:48 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (wosch@localhost) by ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA04056; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:22:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:22:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199501091122.MAA04056@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" , jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: adduser suggestions In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew A. Chernov writes: > Hi, Wolfram. > Can you keep first three questions (default home, default shell, > empty passwords) in /etc/adduser.conf to not enter them each time? > I also think, that "root twice" is special case and adduser > don't need to warn about it. > P.S. please, produce some sort of manpage for your stuff. ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/adduser-950109.tgz Changes: o manpage o save configuration in /etc/adduser.conf o send message file (/etc/adduser.message) Wolfram From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 03:24:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA23936 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:24:47 -0800 Received: from prosun.first.gmd.de (prosun.first.gmd.de [192.35.150.136]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA23929 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:24:43 -0800 Received: from g386bsd.first.gmd.de by prosun.first.gmd.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08812; Mon, 9 Jan 95 12:22:50 +0100 Received: by g386bsd.first.gmd.de (MAA08035); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:24:58 +0059 From: Andreas Schulz Message-Id: <199501091125.MAA08035@g386bsd.first.gmd.de> Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree To: ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:24:58 +0059 (MET) Cc: rkw@dataplex.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501090639.WAA20207@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Jan 9, 95 02:38:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 727 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The newest ip_fw.h is under /usr/src/sys/i386/[???]/netinet/. Apparently > SUP doesn't update /usr/include/* ... 8-( > > Maybe this is a bug ? 8-) I cannot compile several programs too . The only more or less guaranteed way to use -current from sup is to also use "make world" after it. Don't use a normal "make" call under /usr/src if you don't know, what has changed. If you know exactly what has changed and which parts of the system are affected you can puzzle out where to do your makes without a full "make world". ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.7 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 03:32:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA24115 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:32:41 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA24109; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:32:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA04737; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:32:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Wolfram Schneider cc: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" , freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: adduser suggestions In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 95 12:22:25 +0100." <199501091122.MAA04056@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 03:32:04 -0800 Message-ID: <4732.789651124@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Changes: > o manpage > o save configuration in /etc/adduser.conf > o send message file (/etc/adduser.message) Thanks, committed! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 03:33:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA24135 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:33:46 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA24129; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:33:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA04867; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:32:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: FreeBSD Mailing lists cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 95 05:02:20 CST." <199501091102.FAA20493@neon.gbdata.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 03:32:56 -0800 Message-ID: <4866.789651176@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking forward to it! > > > > Did no one get my trestise on markers in the "dir" file for /usr/bin/info's > > benefit? Did no one simply care? Argh. We gotta agree something, maybe > > I'll just go do it. > > > > Jordan > > > Jordan, > > As long as you don't mind having the inserting program written in perl, I'll > do it. Expect a test version ETA 12-24 hours. > > Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 03:41:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA24209 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:41:57 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA24203 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:41:55 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:41:32 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:41:32 -0600 To: Andreas Schulz From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The only more or less guaranteed way to use -current from sup is to >also use "make world" after it. The fundamental problem is that the "make" of a distribution tree ASSUMES that you are already running under that envoirnment. The includes have to be INSTALLED for the tree that you are trying to make. They do not reflect the system under which you are running which may not be the same. We need to redo the entire Makefile structure so that we can cross-compile without destroying the host envoirnment. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 03:58:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA24312 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:58:34 -0800 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA24305 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 03:58:18 -0800 Received: from kmd-ac.dk by dkuug.dk with UUCP id AA04595 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for freebsd.org!hackers); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:57:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199501091157.AA04595@dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:01:11 +0000 (GMT) From: "Soeren Schmidt" In-Reply-To: <199501072206.AA14296@dkuug.dk> from "uucp@kmd-ac.dk" at Jan 7, 95 11:06:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2354 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> It should be possible to get the 16-colour or mono server (our 16 > >> colour server is quite slow so the mono server is probably a better > >> option) running on any VGA-compatible card at the standard 640x480 VGA > >> resolution using the provided sample XF86Config file. The only bit that > >> needs configuring to do this is the mouse protocol/device setting. That's > >> the mode MS Windows will run in until you install a card-specific driver. > >> To do anything much more adventurous is in my opinion doomed to failure. > > > >Actually, if you did the interface right, you wouldn't even need a > >mouse! Just grab the server by the throat and demand all keystrokes. > >Do your own keystroke-based windows navigation even. Write a window > >manager-cum-GUI interface. But are you *really* sure you could get > >that VGA screen up there 99 times out of 100? Let's say, as reliably > >as SCO's seems to come up in VGA mode on totally weird and whacked out > >hardware? I don't like SCO, but it definitely runs on a lotta shit! > > > >[and I suppose you could read that last sentence in various ways :-)] > > :-) > > I think the SCO server can use the BIOS to initialise video modes, so > that would improve its success rate. It'd be nice if we could do the same. We can, syscons supports all the "standard" VGA modes via the VGA bios, it actually uses the bios's modetables. Either X can do the same thing, or do it via syscons... > I did say "VGA compatible". The generic driver in those Xservers > shouldn't assume anything other than "standard VGA" (which I guess > means register compatible with IBM's original VGA). I think the only > problems I've heard of are with some P9000 based cards (probably using > Weitek's W5x86 SVGA chip), but I'll see if I can follow that up. It should work via the bios modetables, or it wouldn't work under DOS either. I've not seen a setup where syscons cannot set the modes correctly yet (but I'm sure I'll hear about some now :) We have to restrict us to 640x480 16 color/mono for this framework to work, but that should work al almost any (VGA) hardware, even laptops etc.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@kmd-ac.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 04:01:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA24365 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:01:04 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA24359 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:01:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA08281 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:00:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Status of DOC Project Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 04:00:49 -0800 Message-ID: <8278.789652849@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, thanks to all who responded! So far, the DOC project seems to be a very popular idea, and there have already been some 12 serious applicants, all evidently keen to pitch in and help get the FreeBSD docs in better shape! So far, the FreeBSD docs group is looking like: Main contributors: John Fieber James Robinson Gary Clark, II. Myself. Volunteers: Glen Foster Steve Passe Jeff Aitken Clay D. Hopperdietzel Guy Helmer Joe Grosch Jaye Mathisen Wilko Bulte Ben Singer >From the group of main contributors or volunteers we still need a `Docmeister' to oversee efforts in general and reap the kudos or jeers that will go with the success or failure of FreeBSD's documentation project. This will not be an easy job, and much of the time it will seem rather thankless, but it's *vital* that someone highly motivated and with proven skills _own_ this as a personal task or it just won't get done very quickly, if at all! :-( We're still taking applications for the job, folks! :-) Send your comments to core@freebsd.org. Thanks! Initial response has been very positive - let's see if we can't make it all come together! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 04:01:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA24409 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:01:17 -0800 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA24352 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:00:59 -0800 Received: from kmd-ac.dk by dkuug.dk with UUCP id AA04698 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for freebsd.org!hackers); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:00:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199501091200.AA04698@dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:04:21 +0000 (GMT) From: "Soeren Schmidt" In-Reply-To: <199501072206.AA14301@dkuug.dk> from "uucp@kmd-ac.dk" at Jan 7, 95 11:06:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1477 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I did say "VGA compatible". The generic driver in those Xservers > > shouldn't assume anything other than "standard VGA" (which I guess > > means register compatible with IBM's original VGA). I think the only > > problems I've heard of are with some P9000 based cards (probably using > > Weitek's W5x86 SVGA chip), but I'll see if I can follow that up. > > Well, if I haven't perhaps made my enthusiasm for this clear, just let > me now say that I would LOVE to be able to leverage off the X server! > I've wanted this for years! Boy, what you couldn't whip up in tk...! > It makes me all giggly just thinking about it. Ok, so it doesn't. I > lied. But will it *work*, that is the question. The burning issue. > Can't have an install that 10% of your population can't run. Wouldn't > be very cricket, that. So unless somebody can point me at a Tk API > compatible library that uses curses instead of X (so you could have > `install' and `xinstall'), I don't see us even trying to use X based > installers unless there was a pretty high success rate! > > Jordan It wouldn't run on small machines either, which I guess is a rather large portion of new users (they try it out on the old'n'rusty 386 machine in the corner ala 25MHz 4MB 80MB).... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@kmd-ac.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 04:30:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA24754 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:30:45 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA24748 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:30:41 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA15493; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:27:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 14:28:40 PST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree To: Andreas Schulz , Richard Wackerbarth Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>The only more or less guaranteed way to use -current from sup is to >>also use "make world" after it. > >The fundamental problem is that the "make" of a distribution tree ASSUMES >that you are already running under that envoirnment. The >includes have to be INSTALLED for the tree that you are trying to make. >They do not reflect the system under which you are running which may not be >the same. > >We need to redo the entire Makefile structure so that we can cross-compile >without destroying the host envoirnment. Waah..why the entire? I think includes are the only problemm and to deal with it we need global Include and global Lib paths set up for make world. That's it...If we add those everything else should go fine. -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 04:44:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA24852 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:44:17 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA24846 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:44:02 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 06:43:40 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 06:43:39 -0600 To: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>We need to redo the entire Makefile structure so that we can cross-compile >>without destroying the host envoirnment. >Waah..why the entire? I think includes are the only problemm and to deal >with it we need global Include and global Lib paths set up for make world. >That's it...If we add those everything else should go fine. Sorry... Perhaps my use of the word "entire" was too harsh. I agree that the "includes" are the primary problem, but while we are at it, we should allow for things such as alternate compilers, etc. Thus, for example, the problem that someone else was having with a changed "config" would have been automatically addressed because the newer "config" becomes a transition tool. Ideally, I would like to be able to specify a system and the location of a file system root and have a bootable system built there. I would also like to see "make" work without the "make world" sequence. IOW, I just installed some changed files in the tree. Executing "make" at the top level should rebuild everything necessary. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 05:06:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA25069 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:06:41 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA25063 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:06:33 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA14221; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:04:21 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:04:21 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501091304.AAA14221@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jaitken@csugrad.cs.vt.edu, wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Machine state after reboot? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, root@io.cts.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Quite a lot. The BIOS traps C-A-D and then sends a signal to the >keyboard controller, which uses a spare line on one of its I/O ports >to pull down the hardware reset line, which (depending on the design >of the system) may or may not get propagated to the ISA bus reset >line. Pushing the power button actually kills the power to The standard keyboard reset never resets the ISA bus. It was originally a kludge for switching 80286's back to real mode. Some software depends on switching modes without losing much of the software state, let alone the hardware state, so the behaviour of only resetting the cpu has to be preserved for compatibility. >were, the CPU triple-faults and resets itself. This does not perform >a reset of any of the hardware in the machine, which doing it Actually the cpu triple-faults and shuts down. "Compatible" motherboards detect the shutdown and turn it into a reset. >``properly'' might or might not do. Unfortunately, the keyboard >controller hack doesn't work on all machines (although it is supposed >to), and so WFJ (yes, this is his doing) went this route instead. I think it does work on all machines, but it is tricky to program. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 05:11:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA25091 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:11:59 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA25085 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:11:55 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA14325; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:07:20 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:07:20 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501091307.AAA14325@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, martin@innovus.com Subject: Re: compile problems in /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/doc Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Whilst doing a make clean in /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/doc the Makefile >wipes out the source files. >The source file is called uucp.texi and doing a make clean does >rm -f uucp.* among other things...This causes make world to fail. >The real problem appears to be in bsd.doc.mk (which is called by bsd.info.mk) bsd.info.mk is fixed now. `make obj' would have avoided the problem. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 05:44:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA25265 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:44:36 -0800 Received: from neon.gbdata.com (Phoenix-GW.GBData.COM [199.3.234.240]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA25257 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:44:15 -0800 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by neon.gbdata.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA21246 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:11:17 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199501091411.IAA21246@neon.gbdata.com> Subject: Info inserter To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:11:16 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2594 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Here is my infoline inserter. It's fairly simple and not totaly robust, but it should handle %99 of the needs we have. At this point it does not copy the info files from the directory to the info directory. You must either use make or do it manualy. NOTE: Command line: infoline -c catagory -d "directory" -h "Help Line" -m MenuItem -f infofiles catagory = Area of info file you wish to place the entry Uses a cookie of % which is a comment directory = Where is the dir file is located Help Line = Explaination or description to the program MenuItem = Word or Phrase that a person uses in menu mode infofiles = name of the root infofile for that menu choice If I have to, I will write a manual page, but it's so simple... Gary # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # infoline # echo x - infoline sed 's/^X//' >infoline << 'END-of-infoline' X#!/usr/bin/perl X# Perl util to add a line to the info dir file X# X X Xif ($#ARGV < 7) { X&usage; Xexit; X} X X Xwhile (@ARGV) { X $XX = shift; X $args{x} = "notused"; X if ($XX =~ /^-x/) { X $XY = "used"; X } else { X $XY = shift; X } X X if ($XX =~ /^-(c|x|d|h|f|i)/) { X $argu = $1; X if (($XY =~ /^-\w/||/^-\d/)) { X die "Invalid command line switch\n"; X } X $XY =~ /^(.*)$/; X $args{$argu} = $1; X print "$argu = $args{$argu}\n"; X $argument .= $argu; X X } else { X die "Invaild command line\n"; X } X X} X X X&printinfo; X X Xsub usage { Xprint "\nusage:\n\ninfoline -c catagory -d \"directory\" -h \"helpline\" -f infofile -i MenuItem\n\n"; X} X X X X X Xsub printinfo { X X$tempfile = "\/tmp\/infoline.$$"; X X$filedir = $args{d}; X$cat = $args{c}; X$menuitem = $args{i}; X$infofile = $args{f}; X$explain = $args{h}; X X X$cookie = "%"; X Xopen (TMPFILE, ">$tempfile"); Xopen (DIRFILE, "<$filedir\/dir"); X Xwhile () { X X if ($cat) { X if (/^% $cat/) { X print (TMPFILE "$_"); X print (TMPFILE "\n"); X print (TMPFILE "* $menuitem: ($infofile). $explain\n"); X } else { X print (TMPFILE "$_"); X } X } else { X print (TMPFILE "$_"); X } X} X Xprint (TMPFILE "* $menuitem: ($infofile). $explain\n"); X Xclose TMPFILE; Xclose DIRFILE; Xsystem "cp $tempfile $filedir\/dir"; Xunlink ("/tmp/infoline.$$"); X X} X END-of-infoline exit From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 05:59:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA25528 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:59:07 -0800 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA25520 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 05:58:56 -0800 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA02599; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:53:50 -0500 From: Wankle Rotary Engine Message-Id: <199501091353.IAA02599@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such... To: ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:53:46 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501090716.CAA02188@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Jan 9, 95 03:16:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2974 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk They say this Yen-Wei Liu person was kidding when he wrote: > > > I recently contributed some fixes that make swapgeneric.c work again. > > One of the things this does is allow you to choose what you want > > to mount as your root device, if you boot with the -a flag. (You need > > 'options GENERIC' and 'config kernel swap generic' for this to work. > > Check it out: it's cool.) This sort of brings us back to the days of the > > Sorry Bill, > > Maybe this is off-topic, but : is your fix merged into -current ? > If -a works, I can build a boot-disk, just as Linux does. > > -- > Yen-Wei Liu (ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw) > Yes, it is in -current. It's been there for a few days, in fact. I was hoping that it would be used for the standard GENERIC kernel configuration, but that's out of my hands. Since I'm here, I've got a question to put to everyone: The 'options GENERIC' thing is necessary because you need some way to make the call to setconf() vanish when 'config kernel swap generic' isn't used: if you specify the root, swap and dump devices explicitly, then config builds a seperate swapkernel.c file for you which doesn't have the setconf() function in it like swapgeneric.c does. (If you look in /sys/i386/i386/conf.c, you'll see the call to setconf() that I'm talking about.) What can happen without the 'options GENERIC' kludge is that you have a call to setconf() without having an actual setconf() function, so you get unresolved symbols at link time. While hiding the call to setconf() inside #ifdef GENERIC ... #endif does make the problem go away under most circumstances, you can still get into trouble unless you know what you're doing. The only real 'idiot-proof' way to avoid linking problems is to modify the config command so that it creates a swapkernel.c file with a dummy setconf() function in it. ( void setconf(void) { return }; or something equally benign.) This way, the #ifdef GENERIC in conf.c can be removed, and you have one less option to worry about. I held off on doing this though, because I wasn't sure it was a good idea to modify config just to cover up this small problem (which I was mostly responsible for creating anyway). But now I'm having second thoughts, so I ask you: should I leave it the way it is, or should I take out the #ifdef and add that one lousy printf() to config like I originally wanted to? Or is there an even better way that I haven't even thought of? -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul System Manager wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Center for Telecommunications Research (212) 854-6020 Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 08:10:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA27624 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:10:10 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA27616 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:10:09 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA01685; Mon, 9 Jan 95 09:02:24 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501091602.AA01685@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 9:02:23 MST Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, dawes@physics.su.oz.au, cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501082232.QAA18058@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jan 8, 95 04:32:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Why not implement wksh? > > Um, because Tk already does everything Wksh does, and it's already there? > Sorry. I was unaware that a dynamically linked Motif Tk was under 260k in size as well. I stand corrected. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 08:11:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA27655 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:11:42 -0800 Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@Seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27647 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:11:41 -0800 Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id JAA14728 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:11:19 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199501091611.JAA14728@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: /usr/share/doc/... To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:11:15 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 396 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! In light of all the talk re: documentation, could someone explain why several of the chapters are missing from smm, ps1 and usd? Also, the lack of ps2, etc.? Has anyone *really* looked hard to see just how much of this could be salvaged? I know several of the docs need simply ;-) to be spruced up, pathnames corrected and newly designed features folded in... Thx, --don From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 08:20:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA27766 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:20:11 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27751 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:19:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA04120; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 18:17:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199501091617.SAA04120@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, mark@grunt.grondar.za Subject: Re: Status of DOC Project Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 18:17:52 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We're still taking applications for the job, folks! :-) Send your > comments to core@freebsd.org. Thanks! Initial response has been > very positive - let's see if we can't make it all come together! I Won't go for DocFuehrer, but count me in as a dogsbody/proofreader. I have some experience here. I spel good too. ;) -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 08:34:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA27821 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:34:19 -0800 Received: from sass165 (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27815 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:34:18 -0800 Received: from amor.mdl.sandia.gov (amor.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.147]) by sass165 (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21308 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:37:51 -0700 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by amor.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.8/8.6.5) id JAA27991 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:33:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199501091633.JAA27991@amor.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:33:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: Peter da Silva "Re: Graphical installations and such..." (Jan 7, 8:17pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such... Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jan 7, 8:17pm, Peter da Silva wrote: > Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such... > > > If you wanna build UI > > code, then build File-Manager for X. You would be helping more untrained > > souls with that by far. > > XFM runs quite well on FreeBSD 1.1.5, I don't imagine that > it'd have a problem on 2.x. It's athena-widget based, and > xmkmf was about all I needed to do to get it up. It performs > Program Manager and File Manager duties. I've had it running on 2.0R for my wife for a while now. Peter's right--it's trivial to compile and install, and works well. --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 09:24:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA28262 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:24:14 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA28256; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:24:13 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA01988; Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:18:16 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501091718.AA01988@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:18:15 MST Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501090828.AAA20934@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 9, 95 00:28:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Did no one get my trestise on markers in the "dir" file for /usr/bin/info's > benefit? Did no one simply care? Argh. We gotta agree something, maybe > I'll just go do it. > I saw it; I wasn't horribly enamored of the idea of info files at all, having hacked help files on VMS for far too long in my miguided youth. I thought everything was going into the "lindoc" or whatever it was SGML DTD, and that info was an output of a postprocesser for this (just like HTML can be). Personally, I'll be using the HTML target and browsing with NetScape, if it's all the same. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 09:41:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA28477 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:41:14 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA28468 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:41:12 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA02191; Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:34:23 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501091734.AA02191@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Cannot make world -- errors in tree To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:34:22 MST Cc: ats@g386bsd.first.gmd.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Jan 9, 95 05:41:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We need to redo the entire Makefile structure so that we can cross-compile > without destroying the host envoirnment. AMEN!!! Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 09:48:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA28942 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:48:01 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA28936 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:47:55 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA02227; Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:40:22 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501091740.AA02227@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Status of DOC Project To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:40:22 MST Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, mark@grunt.grondar.za In-Reply-To: <199501091617.SAA04120@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Jan 9, 95 06:17:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > We're still taking applications for the job, folks! :-) Send your > > comments to core@freebsd.org. Thanks! Initial response has been > > very positive - let's see if we can't make it all come together! > > I Won't go for DocFuehrer, but count me in as a dogsbody/proofreader. > > I have some experience here. I spel good too. ;) > I'm in the midst of reviwing a manuscript (no, not mine) for a publisher. I'll be happy to help out here when I'm done with that. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 11:00:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00149 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:00:18 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00143 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:00:15 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA18827; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:59:28 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199501091859.KAA18827@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/... To: dgy@seagull.rtd.com (Don Yuniskis) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:59:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501091611.JAA14728@seagull.rtd.com> from "Don Yuniskis" at Jan 9, 95 09:11:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 997 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Greetings! > In light of all the talk re: documentation, could someone > explain why several of the chapters are missing from smm, ps1 and > usd? Also, the lack of ps2, etc.? The missing chapters and/or whole manual(ps2) is due to the fact that these works are copyright USL and/or AT&T and thus are not distributed by UCB on the 4.4 Lite tape. > Has anyone *really* looked hard to see just how much of this > could be salvaged? I know several of the docs need simply ;-) > to be spruced up, pathnames corrected and newly designed features > folded in... A great deal of it can be salvaged, the major work is converting the Makefiles so they do not depend on the symbolic links that the 4.4 tape had on them (we don't support symbolic links in the source tree due to CVS/RCS lacking support for them). > Thx, --don > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 11:03:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00172 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:03:21 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00163 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:03:12 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23657; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:33:12 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id TAA20884 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:33:11 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA03536; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:05:15 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501091805.TAA03536@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: Perl setuid scripts don't work (same reason as in 1.1.5.1) To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:05:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501080109.CAA11102@keltia.frmug.fr.net> from "Ollivier Robert" at Jan 8, 95 02:09:19 am X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 478 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: | | I think someone has already talk about it but I just got bitten again : | perl setuid scripts don't work in 2.1-current for the same reason they were | not working in 1.1.5.1. ... | Someone _please_ commit this. Committed. -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 14:05:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA04166 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:05:42 -0800 Received: from hermes.cybernetics.net (hermes.cybernetics.net [198.80.51.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04160 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 14:05:39 -0800 Received: (from james@localhost) by hermes.cybernetics.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA15800 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:15:36 -0500 From: James Robinson Message-Id: <199501092215.RAA15800@hermes.cybernetics.net> Subject: ps -a* hangs on freefall To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:15:36 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 543 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone noticed this before? I currently have two shells locked up on freefall, their only crime was a "ps -aux" or "ps -a" command. Well, I just killed their parent shells -- is this something that is known already? James : James Robinson : james@hermes.cybernetics.net ::See the screaming hot black :FreeBSD|XFree86 :The best things in life are Free:: steaming iridescent : Frank Zappa : Music is the best ::naughahyde python screaming : HTTP Server : http://hermes.cybernetics.net/ :: steam roller! From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 15:07:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA05249 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 15:07:24 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05243 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 15:07:23 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA08364 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 15:40:03 -0800 Received: from licorice.larc.nasa.gov (licorice.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.2.31]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA08335 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 15:35:19 -0800 Received: by licorice.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.9/server2.4) id XAA23651; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 23:02:36 GMT Message-Id: <199501092302.XAA23651@licorice.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 23:02:36 GMT From: Travis L Priest To: Branson Matheson Cc: gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: rawrite bug In-Reply-To: <199412231324.IAA22134@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> References: <199412231324.IAA22134@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It appears there is a problem with rawrite and the FreeBSD boot images. I can boot from a FreeBSD disk made with dd on a Sun Sparcstation (like the one's we made earlier today), and I can boot Linux from a floppy made with either rawrite-1.2, rawrite-1.3, or dd on a Sun. However, I can not boot FreeBSD from a floppy made with rawrite-1.2 (from Sunsite) or from rawrite-1.3 (from the FreeBSD-2.0 cdrom). On boot, the SCSI drivers probe the bus and recognize my disk and cdrom, the bios successfully loads, and the A drive is accessed momentarily. Then, MS-DOS starts from the C drive. No complaint about non-system disk. Obvious questions I can answer: disk media is good, is formatted, is of the correct type, and source files are of the correct size with matching checksums. I will be of very little help to Justin unless we can get this resolved since I would only be able to make boot disks at work. :-( Travis From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 15:10:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA05297 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 15:10:55 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05291 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 15:10:53 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id AAA01673 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:11:24 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02902; Tue, 10 Jan 95 00:11:32 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501092311.AA02902@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Revised adduser script 1.06.2 on freefall To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 00:11:31 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 373 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A corrected version (1.06.2) of my new-account script (thanks to Jaye) is in my account on freefall and in /incoming. new-account-1.06.2.tar.gz Two stupid bugs creted in my rewrite a few weeks ago, they're now fixed. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 16:32:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA07078 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 16:32:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07071; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 16:32:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Don Yuniskis cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 1995 09:11:15 MST." <199501091611.JAA14728@seagull.rtd.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 16:32:23 -0800 Message-ID: <7069.789697943@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anyone *really* looked hard to see just how much of this > could be salvaged? I know several of the docs need simply ;-) > to be spruced up, pathnames corrected and newly designed features > folded in... No, and that's just the problem. Hey, Don! You look like somebody eager to have another job! ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 16:53:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA07450 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 16:53:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07443; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 16:53:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 1995 10:18:15 MST." <9501091718.AA01988@cs.weber.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 16:53:16 -0800 Message-ID: <7441.789699196@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I saw it; I wasn't horribly enamored of the idea of info files at all, > having hacked help files on VMS for far too long in my miguided youth. Maybe, but we've already got a browser we can count on having with the system (unless you're prepared right here and now to try and get lynx into /usr/bin :-) that a number of people are ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH and it's called info. My personal preference would be to do the docs in sgml, sure, but the very minute texinfo output works, pop copies of the output into /usr/share/info at install time. That would give us nice online docs using a browser that may be a little crufty, but it's small and it's been around for a real long time. Don't worry, we'll produce HTML too so that folks like you can browse with netscape all you wish! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 17:35:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA08517 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:35:49 -0800 Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (ujdd@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08507 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:35:44 -0800 Received: from localhost by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.5/1.37) id UAA04559; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:27:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:27:48 -0500 From: ujdd%fang.cs.sunyit.edu@sunyit.edu ( James D. Delude) Message-Id: <199501100127.UAA04559@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: scorpion@mammoth.postech.ac.kr (hui_seok heo(92)) "using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD" (Jan 10, 10:02) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: scorpion@mammoth.postech.ac.kr (hui_seok heo(92)) Subject: Re: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jan 10, 10:02, hui_seok heo(92) wrote: } Subject: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD } } How can i use } } CD-ROM device driver for the whole family of IDE-style } Kotobuki/Matsushita/Panasonic CR-5xx drives for } SoundBlaster ("Pro" or "16 ASP" or compatible) cards } } in FreeBSD. } Someone just posted that they got it working (sorta). Does someone still have his message? -- Baseball is a skilled game. It's America's game -- it, and high taxes. -- Will Rogers From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 17:47:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA08871 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:47:52 -0800 Received: from morton.cdrom.com (morton.cdrom.com [192.216.222.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08865 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:47:51 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by morton.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA00224 for hackers@freefall; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:49:12 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:49:12 GMT From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501091749.RAA00224@morton.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: freefall ps Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk is definitely spammed.. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 19:30:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA01496 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:30:18 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA01488 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:30:13 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA28578 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for freebsd.org!hackers); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 21:06:49 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02324; 9 Jan 95 21:06:00 CST (Mon) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA02321 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 21:05:59 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199501100305.VAA02321@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: tk vs wksh To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 21:05:59 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 349 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If wksh requires Motif you're going to have to ship it statically linked with Motif due to licensing restrictions, and you won't be able to rebuild it in the field. This is likely to wipe the size advantage and makes it undesirable to standardize on (you know, the Free in FreeBSD). (I'm going to bed. I typoed 'hackers@freebsd.org' twice already) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 20:27:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA02825 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:27:11 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02819 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:27:09 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 22:27:03 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 22:27:02 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Where is THIS file? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DKERNEL -Di386 -DLOAD_ADDRESS=0xF0100000 ../../i386/i386/conf.c .../../i386/i386/conf.c:658: ssc.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 21:01:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA03385 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 21:01:51 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA03379 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 21:01:49 -0800 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <07870-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:57:46 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.7/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id MAA08146 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:44:46 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id CAA28430 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:42:02 GMT Message-Id: <199501100242.CAA28430@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: DPT ESDI Caching controller X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:41:58 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've just picked up one of these things sans manual, along with an old 300Mb ESDI drive that may be on its last legs. The controller has a second board that looks as if it carries about 2Mb of cache. Does anyone know if these things just look like an ordinary controller, what jumpers will disable the floppy drives, is it capable of having its IRQ and i/o ports changed? (yeah, spare the arguments about how the memory would be better used on the motherboard, but the fact is the target machine already has all the memory it can take) I really hate babies. Can't stand e'm. The arrogance, the lies. They are not to be trusted. I hate babies. - D. Schwab From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 9 23:54:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA06375 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 23:54:02 -0800 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA06369 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 23:53:55 -0800 Received: from kmd-ac.dk by dkuug.dk with UUCP id AA13538 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for FreeBSD.org!hackers); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:53:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199501100753.AA13538@dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: DPT ESDI Caching controller To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:51:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "Soeren Schmidt" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501100242.CAA28430@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Jan 10, 95 12:41:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 957 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I've just picked up one of these things sans manual, along with an old 300Mb > ESDI drive that may be on its last legs. The controller has a second board > that looks as if it carries about 2Mb of cache. Does anyone know if these > things just look like an ordinary controller, what jumpers will disable the > floppy drives, is it capable of having its IRQ and i/o ports changed? (yeah, > spare the arguments about how the memory would be better used on the > motherboard, but the fact is the target machine already has all the memory it > can take) > Hmm, we used to have a pair of them around here, I'll go seach for the manuals :) They claim it to be 100% wd1003 compatible, so the ordinary wd driver should work for starters... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@kmd-ac.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 01:37:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA07843 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 01:37:13 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA07837; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 01:37:11 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id KAA04555 ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:38:02 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04200; Tue, 10 Jan 95 10:38:09 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501100938.AA04200@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:38:08 +0100 (MET) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <7441.789699196@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 9, 95 04:53:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 557 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Maybe, but we've already got a browser we can count on having with the > system (unless you're prepared right here and now to try and get lynx > into /usr/bin :-) that a number of people are ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH > and it's called info. Except that for newbies, info is not that intuitive to use; You gotta know emacs. The last version of info I've tried didn't understand arrow keys, just ^N ^P... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 03:47:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA10149 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:47:59 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA10143 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:47:57 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id GAA07568; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:48:37 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199501101148.GAA07568@hda.com> Subject: Re: Where is THIS file? To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:48:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Jan 9, 95 10:27:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 867 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth writes: > > DKERNEL -Di386 -DLOAD_ADDRESS=0xF0100000 ../../i386/i386/conf.c > .../../i386/i386/conf.c:658: ssc.h: No such file or directory > *** Error code 1 > That will show up when you config the kernel. It is a new general optional device that is added in /sys/conf/files: > scsi/ssc.c optional ssc Do new ISA devices get handled without doing a config, while new general devices don't? For now you can just create one in your /sys/compile/MYNAME directory with this in it: > #define NSSC 0 and it will get recreated when you config. Someone can tell me if I did something wrong. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 -- Formerly hd@world.std.com. E-mail problems? Tell hdslip@iii.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 04:01:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA10398 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:01:24 -0800 Received: from titan.np.ac.sg (lsys@titan.np.ac.sg [153.20.24.72]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA10332 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:01:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199501101201.EAA10332@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:58:21 +0800 (SST) From: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong Cc: lsys@np.ac.sg (SysAdmin) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1770 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. Didn't see any response to a previous post, so I'll try again. Hopefully someone can clue me in. I have 1.x unpatched-final-current and 2.0R (2.1.0 kernel supped on 4th/5th Dec) running on identical hardware alongside each other. Somehow, the 2.0 system feels slower. Iozone reports thusly: == 2.0 == Writing the 10 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...27.835938 seconds Reading the file...20.015625 seconds IOZONE performance measurements: 376698 bytes/second for writing the file 523878 bytes/second for reading the file == 1.x == Writing the 10 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...25.150000 seconds Reading the file...43.716667 seconds IOZONE performance measurements: 416928 bytes/second for writing the file 239857 bytes/second for reading the file Kdumping `ktrace -d -i man logger' gives: == 2.0 == 49.51 real 11.08 user 10.24 sys == 1.x == 34.92 real 3.06 user 4.10 sys Redirecting output of kdump (`time kdump >/dev/null'): == 2.0 == 9.90 real 9.54 user 0.21 sys == 1.x == 2.02 real 1.92 user 0.10 sys Timing `man csh': == 2.0 == 238.78 real 204.62 user 29.36 sys == 1.x == 66.37 real 53.04 user 10.39 sys Both machines have lean kernels, differences are that the 2.0 one has LKM, MULTICAST and MROUTING. Both are under my charge and have nothing much running on them. The 2.0 box took over Sendmail duties from the 1.x box yesterday, and is also intended to be our site's mrouter to the Mbone. Appreciate any hints on where to start looking. Thanx! - PS -- Ng Pheng Siong * lsys@np.ac.sg * ngps@np.ac.sg Computer Centre, Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 04:24:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA10979 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:24:35 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA10972 for hackers; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:24:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:24:34 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501101224.EAA10972@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: Doc project status Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Update. As of Jan 10, 1995, the FreeBSD docs group looks like: FreeBSD Doc Project Manager: position currently unfilled ------ Team Leaders: Gary Clark, II James L. Robinson John Fieber Jordan K. Hubbard ------ Project members: Ben Singer Bill Pechter Clay D. Hopperdietzel Glen Foster Guy Helmer Jaye Mathisen Jeff Aitken Joe Grosch Joel Ward Jon Cargille Marc van Kempen Mark Murray Peter da Silva Steve Passe Terry Lambert Wilko Bulte ------ Overall structure: The manager will have total overall control of the doc project (and will be a core team member). He or she will hold at least quarterly discussious with the team leaders and agree an appropriate "axe to grind" for each of them. I expect the team leaders will then recruit members of the project team to go off and pursue whatever personal crusade they've taken on. And in the beginning, at least, this IS going to be a crusade! There's a lot that needs doing out there and we're all standing at the brink. I'm also truly gratified to see that there are as many volunteers as there are - this is great! If even half the people on this list genuinely get involved, I can see a lot really coming out of this project! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 04:57:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA11291 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:57:33 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA11285 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:57:31 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA22755; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:57:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA00220; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:57:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199501101257.EAA00220@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jan 95 19:58:21 +0800." <199501101201.EAA10332@freefall.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 04:57:24 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Didn't see any response to a previous post, so I'll try again. Hopefully >someone can clue me in. > >I have 1.x unpatched-final-current and 2.0R (2.1.0 kernel supped on >4th/5th Dec) running on identical hardware alongside each other. > >Somehow, the 2.0 system feels slower. Iozone reports thusly: According to your iozone results, reads on 2.0 are twice as fast while writes are slightly slower. The specific problem regarding performance of 'man' is likely caused by differences in the way that the manual pages are stored. 2.0 stores the manual pages in gzip compressed nroff format to save space, while 1.x installed the manual pages in uncompressed 'cat' format. Also, the cat directories aren't part of the 2.0 distribution, so the system must uncompress and format the manual page every time 'man' is used on it. If you create 'cat' directories, the system will keep the uncompressed 'cat' format page around for future lookup. Hope this helps. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 05:31:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA11947 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 05:31:02 -0800 Received: from titan.np.ac.sg (lsys@titan.np.ac.sg [153.20.24.72]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA11941 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 05:30:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199501101330.FAA11941@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:28:46 +0800 (SST) From: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501101257.EAA00220@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jan 10, 95 04:57:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1358 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DG wrote: > The specific problem regarding performance of > 'man' is likely caused by differences in the way that the manual pages are > stored. 2.0 stores the manual pages in gzip compressed nroff format to save > space, while 1.x installed the manual pages in uncompressed 'cat' format. First thing I did after installing man pages was to create the `cat' dirs. ;) I've just tried `man ruptime', where /usr/share/man/cat1/ruptime.1.gz exists on both machines: -rw-rw-r-- 1 man bin 604 Jan 10 18:43 /usr/share/man/cat1/ruptime.1.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 man 614 Jan 10 13:07 /usr/share/man/cat1/ruptime.1.gz (Hmmm, time zone is screwed.) == 2.0 == 2.17 real 0.56 user 0.64 sys == 1.x == 1.07 real 0.13 user 0.20 sys For `time zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/ruptime.1.gz': == 2.0 == 0.16 real 0.05 user 0.13 sys == 1.x == 0.05 real 0.01 user 0.03 sys What about `time cat /etc/sendmail.cf', with identical files? == 2.0 == 0.71 real 0.02 user 0.36 sys == 1.x == 0.17 real 0.00 user 0.10 sys Can someone running 1.x and 2.0 on almost similar h/w take a moment and try these, please? Thanx. - PS -- Ng Pheng Siong * lsys@np.ac.sg * ngps@np.ac.sg Computer Centre, Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 05:41:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA12147 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 05:41:12 -0800 Received: from styx.ibmoto.com (styx.ibmoto.com [129.38.252.14]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA12132; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 05:41:07 -0800 Received: from bartling.ibmoto.com (bartling.ibmoto.com [129.38.33.7]) by styx.ibmoto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA11278; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:40:24 -0600 From: Steve Bartling Received: (bartling@localhost) by bartling.ibmoto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA20139; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:40:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199501101340.HAA20139@bartling.ibmoto.com> Subject: Serial Upgrade Problems ( spontaneous reboots ) To: bartling@ibmoto.com (Steve Bartling) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:40:25 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501091455.IAA25550@bartling.ibmoto.com> from "Steve Bartling" at Jan 9, 95 08:55:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 909 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had two crusty on 16450 uarts ( circa 1984 ) that had been working flawlessy. Upon upgrading FreeBSD from 1.1R to 2.0R, I began to get occasional SIO overflows. So ... I "upgraded" my serial port to a "Enhance" 2S 1P port card that has an ASIC on it to provide dual "16550AFN compatibility". It uses the StarTek chipset ( ooohhh, a NAME BRAND ! ). I can transfer files using Procomm under MSDOG, and I can establish connections to other machines under FreeBSD 2.0R using cu. But ... after I slattach, I no longer receive any packets in response to bootptest, ping, etc. And to make life even more interesting, If I kill the slattach process, my machine locks up and then spontaneously reboots. If I change the serial cards back to my old crusty favorites, this problem goes away. - Steve Bartling P.S. Another friend of mine is having the exact same problems but with a different serial card. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 06:00:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA12565 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:00:00 -0800 Received: from sunic.sunet.se (sunic.sunet.se [192.36.125.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA12549 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 05:59:57 -0800 Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id OAA21755; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:59:33 +0100 Received: from magister.polytech.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id NAA13332; (8.6.9/zah/1.4b) Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:42:27 GMT Received: from polytech.polytech.kiev.ua by magister.polytech.kiev.ua with ESMTP id QAA01654; (8.6.5/zah/1.1) Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:35:08 -0800 Received: from localhost by polytech.polytech.kiev.ua id PAA02708; (8.6.5/zah/1.1) Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:26:11 +0200 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: Organization: Kiev Polytechnical Institute From: "Vladimir Yakovenko" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:26:11 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail [v2.7 INTERACTIVE UNIX] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 188 Subject: Digiboard Lines: 5 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Digiboard multiplexor DigiCHANNEL PC/16e. Is any way to use this board in FreeBSD-2.0-RELEASE ? If you know anything relevant please mail me. Thanx for cooperation. Vladimir. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 06:00:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA12589 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:00:38 -0800 Received: from sunic.sunet.se (sunic.sunet.se [192.36.125.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12579 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:00:36 -0800 Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id OAA21758; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:59:52 +0100 Received: from magister.polytech.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id NAA13335; (8.6.9/zah/1.4b) Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:42:32 GMT Received: from polytech.polytech.kiev.ua by magister.polytech.kiev.ua with ESMTP id QAA01657; (8.6.5/zah/1.1) Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:35:12 -0800 Received: from localhost by polytech.polytech.kiev.ua id PAA02701; (8.6.5/zah/1.1) Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:22:16 +0200 To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: Organization: Kiev Polytechnical Institute From: "Vladimir Yakovenko" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:22:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail [v2.7 INTERACTIVE UNIX] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 188 Subject: Digiboard Lines: 5 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Digiboard multiplexor DigiCHANNEL PC/16e. Is any way to use this board in FreeBSD-2.0-RELEASE ? If you know anything relevant please mail me. Thanx for cooperation. Vladimir. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 06:53:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA13263 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:53:12 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA13249 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 06:53:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA19983; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:55:46 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199501101455.PAA19983@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:55:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: lsys@np.ac.sg, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501101257.EAA00220@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jan 10, 95 04:57:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1078 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > writes are slightly slower. The specific problem regarding performance of > 'man' is likely caused by differences in the way that the manual pages are > stored. 2.0 stores the manual pages in gzip compressed nroff format to save > space, while 1.x installed the manual pages in uncompressed 'cat' format. > Also, the cat directories aren't part of the 2.0 distribution, so the system > must uncompress and format the manual page every time 'man' is used on it. > If you create 'cat' directories, the system will keep the uncompressed 'cat' > format page around for future lookup. is there any easy way to have compressed 'cat' pages instead ? uncompressing files is very fast, and 'cat' pages should compress very well. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 07:11:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA13525 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:11:17 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13518 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:11:13 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id QAA10862 ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:12:00 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11739; Tue, 10 Jan 95 16:12:07 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501101512.AA11739@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:12:07 +0100 (MET) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, lsys@np.ac.sg, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501101455.PAA19983@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jan 10, 95 03:55:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 342 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > is there any easy way to have compressed 'cat' pages instead ? > uncompressing files is very fast, and 'cat' pages should compress very > well. By default, the cat pages are compressed too. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 07:16:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA13679 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:16:32 -0800 Received: from bambam.cs.city.ac.uk (root@bambam.cs.city.ac.uk [138.40.91.91]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA13673 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:16:29 -0800 Received: by bambam.cs.city.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0rRiIt-0000xfC; Tue, 10 Jan 95 15:16 GMT To: citycs-list-freebsd-hackers@cs.city.ac.uk Path: adm2 From: adm2@cs.city.ac.uk (Alan Messer) Newsgroups: citycs.list.freebsd.hackers Subject: XmCD port FreeBSD Date: 10 Jan 1995 15:16:10 GMT Organization: Systems Architecture Research Centre, City University, London, England. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3eu8br$er1@bambam.cs.city.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: barney.cs.city.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anyone managed to port XmCd (the Motif Audio CD playing program) to FreeBSD yet. Thanks, Alan. -- Alan Messer | Also: - cj562@city.ac.uk Systems Architecture Research Centre, | - be559@cleveland.freenet.edu City University, London, EC1V 0HB | (ATK,MIME & PGP2.3 accepted) Tel: +44 (1)71 477 8551 | Fax: +44 (1)71 477 8587 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 07:17:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA13716 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:17:23 -0800 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13698 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:17:04 -0800 Received: from trout.render.com (trout.render.com [193.195.178.2]) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06322 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:22:16 GMT Received: (from dfr@localhost) by trout.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA02142; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:22:14 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:22:14 GMT From: Doug Rabson Message-Id: <199501101522.PAA02142@trout.render.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Motif for FreeBSD 2.0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does this exist? I have a copy of swim for FreeBSD 1.1 which works as long as you use a FreeBSD 1.1 compiler and libraries and XFree86-2.1. What I am really after is one which works with 2.0 libraries and compilers and XFree86-3.1. Motif-2.0 would be a bonus obviously. Maybe I can upgrade my copy of swim from FreeBSD 1.1 to FreeBSD 2.0 (a bit hopeful, I know). -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 71 251 4411 FAX: +44 71 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 07:26:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA13851 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:26:00 -0800 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.64.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13845; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:25:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA12213; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:26:00 -0500 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199501101526.KAA12213@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Doc project status To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:26:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501101224.EAA10972@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 10, 95 04:24:34 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 311 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Update. As of Jan 10, 1995, the FreeBSD docs group looks like: Is there a mail alias set up on freefall for these people yet? -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 07:31:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA13935 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:31:48 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA13901 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:30:05 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20308; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:30:39 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id QAA26935 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:30:39 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA07760; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:01:59 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501101501.QAA07760@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: lsys@np.ac.sg (SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:01:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199501101330.FAA11941@freefall.cdrom.com> from "SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong" at Jan 10, 95 09:28:46 pm X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1057 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong wrote: | | Can someone running 1.x and 2.0 on almost similar h/w take a moment | and try these, please? My (and e.g. also Andreas Klemm's) opinion is just the opposite. Especially the X server performance improved from 1.1.5 to 2.0. I've run xbench against both systems, but the server even ``feels'' much faster than the numbers are actually showing (though there's also a performance gain). | What about `time cat /etc/sendmail.cf', with identical files? | == 2.0 == 0.71 real 0.02 user 0.36 sys | == 1.x == 0.17 real 0.00 user 0.10 sys Did you by incident run pccons on your 1.1.X system? Pccons has been *way* simpler than either syscons or pcvt (though the latest pcvt is again almost as fast as [at least NetBSD's -- they still have it] pccons). -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 07:35:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA13995 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:35:03 -0800 Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.49.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA13986 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 07:34:59 -0800 Received: from hcswork.hcs.de by hcshh.hcs.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0rRh06-000LTlC; Tue, 10 Jan 95 14:52 MET Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rRh05-000UV2C; Tue, 10 Jan 95 14:52 MET Message-Id: From: hm@hcswork.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: pcvt 3.20 beta 16 available for testing To: port-i386@netbsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:52:41 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1442 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is to announce the final beta test cycle for pcvt 3.20, beta 16. Pcvt is a video/keyboard driver for i386-based NetBSD (0.9, 1.0 and -current) and for FreeBSD (1.0, 1.1R, 1.1.5.1R and 2.0). Pcvt has almost full VT220 compatibility, supports national keyboard remapping, 24/25/28/40/50 lines and 80/132 columns and a configurable number of virtual screens for character terminal and X11 sessions. It comes with a complete set of fonts, utilities and documentation for easy integration into the above mentioned systems. Hopefully this will be the final beta before the 3.20 release. Things done since beta 7: - applied and verified all NetBSD PR patches (thanks to J.T. ;-) - full support for FreeBSD 2.0 - minor bugfixing and streamlining for release pcvt 3.20 beta 16 can be found on: Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Address: 137.226.31.2 Directory: pub/incoming File: pcvt-320b16.tar.gz Size: 323454 Bytes Note: the file is invisible! (Thanks to Thomas Gellekum and Christoph Kukulies !) Please report any bugs, suggestions, fixes and diffs to hm@hcs.de. Thank you, hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Hamburg, Europe Experience is directly proportional to the amount of equipment ruined (Murphy) The opinions expressed above are my own and not the opinions of anybody else From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 08:16:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA14508 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:16:13 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA14501 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:16:10 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:15:56 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:15:55 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: wu-ftpd Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk System = 2.0-RELEASE and/or -current Has anyone fixed wu-ftpd? Whenever a file is transfered, it aborts. Jan 10 10:11:01 eel ftpd[11692]: exiting on signal 11 Jan 10 10:11:01 eel /kernel: pid 11692: ftpd: uid 11: exited on signal 6 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 08:26:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA14597 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:26:44 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA14591 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 08:26:43 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:26:39 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:26:37 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: The routes from hell Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Under 2.0-RELEASE, some sockets never went away even though the process to which they were attached was terminated. So I decided to update to a -current (as of last evening) The socket problem seems to have been cured, but it is now replaced by an ever increasing route table. I am running the new kernel and recompiled binaries. (Most of a "make world") Whenever the default route is chosen, a route to the particular destination is added and it never seems to go away. >From netstat: default ISDN UGSc 2 1406 ed0 slip-23-5.ots.ut ISDN UGHW 2 1669 ed0 cs.utexas.edu ISDN UGHW3 0 734 ed0 The second entry is for an active socket. The last is representative of the many that have been closed for some time. If I do a `route -n flush`, the table gets cleaned out. (I have to re-add the default). If I let it go for too long, the system wedged. Any suggestions? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 09:20:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA15506 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:20:03 -0800 Received: from anvil.appsmiths.com (appsmiths.sccsi.com [198.65.134.98]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15495 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:19:59 -0800 Received: (from hoppy@localhost) by anvil.appsmiths.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA14709; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:18:47 -0600 From: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Message-Id: <199501101718.LAA14709@anvil.appsmiths.com> Subject: Re: Motif for FreeBSD 2.0 To: dfr@render.com (Doug Rabson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:18:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501101522.PAA02142@trout.render.com> from "Doug Rabson" at Jan 10, 95 03:21:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 930 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk :: :: Does this exist? I have a copy of swim for FreeBSD 1.1 which works as :: long as you use a FreeBSD 1.1 compiler and libraries and XFree86-2.1. :: What I am really after is one which works with 2.0 libraries and :: compilers and XFree86-3.1. Motif-2.0 would be a bonus obviously. :: :: Maybe I can upgrade my copy of swim from FreeBSD 1.1 to FreeBSD 2.0 (a :: bit hopeful, I know). :: :: -- :: Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com :: Phone: +44 71 251 4411 :: FAX: +44 71 251 0939 :: I just spoke to the swim folks, and they said that the one for 2.0 is getting ready to become available. It is ~$50 more than the 1.1.5.1 version. I ordered the 1.1.5.1 version, and they will let you upgrade for the $50 later on -- so I went this route for now, since they couldn't give me any better date than "soon", and I'm not sure how quickly I'm gonna upgrade my gateway system to 2.0 anyway. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 09:47:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA15941 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:47:09 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (wraith@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.202]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15935; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:47:08 -0800 Received: (wraith@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id LAA30237; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:47:02 -0600 From: Robert Michael Gorichanaz Message-Id: <199501101747.LAA30237@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: FreeBSD as an IP Router To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:47:01 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 664 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking to use a PC running FreeBSD as a router/gateway on a small network. Question is, what kinda CPU horsepower do I really need to forward packets between half a dozen 'puters? Do I need a 486dx50? or is that overkill; can I get away with a 386-40 or a 486-33? I'm going to be using 16-bit bus-mastering ethernet cards, if that helps. Your suggestions are appreciated. -W- -- / /| \ O For all you ORIGIN needs, | \`o.O' | Ack! Thptptptpt! -+- the Avatar is IN. | =(___)= | | \ U / wraith@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu Games, hardware, and comments. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 11:02:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA17766 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:02:12 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA17754 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:01:55 -0800 Received: from Gena.NetVision.net.il (ts2p5.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.125]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA20899; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:01:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 19:53:21 PST From: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" Subject: RE: XmCD port FreeBSD To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: adm2@cs.city.ac.uk X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >Hi, > >Has anyone managed to port XmCd (the Motif Audio CD playing program) to >FreeBSD yet. Yeah , i did the port using the new SCSI system , so it will work only on FreeBSD-current. Xmcd is really great. The only problem is with eject command - kernel panics when i try to eject CD using the cd player button , but it works ok when i do it manually. This behavior is mentioned in scsi docs and it's ( probably ) fixed for aha-1542 adapter , but i have aic6360 :-(. I tried to fix the problem but still no success. The only way to avoid this is to disable the eject button in config file and change disks manually ( it's not very hard :)) I'll upload the port to freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/incoming soon. > >Thanks, > >Alan. >-- >Alan Messer | Also: - cj562@city.ac.uk >Systems Architecture Research Centre, | - be559@cleveland.freenet.edu >City University, London, EC1V 0HB | (ATK,MIME & PGP2.3 accepted) >Tel: +44 (1)71 477 8551 | Fax: +44 (1)71 477 8587 > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O Gennady Sorokopud O O O O E-Mail: gena@netvision.net.il O O O O http: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena/ O O Tel: home: 972-4-835-227 Address: Sharet st. 21/7 O O K. Tivon , Israel O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi43i2YAAAECANV6d3p8bQLR6Hr2tyd9f4FEUakUIbF0YOtsiil3hR/ebGRe y4EC2Y45ZS7VPiP8Pp8zyAinWEtJ/tBKBYoHdPEABRG0LEdlbm5hZHkgQi4gU29y b2tvcHVkIDxnZW5hQG5ldHZpc2lvbi5uZXQuaWw+ =bvR+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 11:26:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00343 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:26:38 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00337 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:26:35 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA13067; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:11:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:11:02 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501101911.AA13067@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: The routes from hell In-Reply-To: References: Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < default ISDN UGSc 2 1406 ed0 > slip-23-5.ots.ut ISDN UGHW 2 1669 ed0 > cs.utexas.edu ISDN UGHW3 0 734 ed0 > The second entry is for an active socket. The last is representative of the > many that have been closed for some time. It will go away precisely four hours after the last close. You can adjust this timeout using the command: sysctl -w net.inet.ip.rtexpire=some-number-of-seconds See /sys/netinet/in_rmx.c for the code that implements this. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 11:52:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA01115 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:52:10 -0800 Received: from barney.cs.city.ac.uk (root@barney.cs.city.ac.uk [138.40.91.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01109 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:52:07 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu by barney.cs.city.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #6) id m0rRmbj-0007EIC; Tue, 10 Jan 95 19:51 GMT Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10951; Tue, 10 Jan 95 12:46:12 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501101946.AA10951@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: XmCD port FreeBSD To: adm2@cs.city.ac.uk (Alan Messer) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 12:46:11 MST Cc: citycs-list-freebsd-hackers@cs.city.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3eu8br$er1@bambam.cs.city.ac.uk> from "Alan Messer" at Jan 10, 95 03:16:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Has anyone managed to port XmCd (the Motif Audio CD playing program) to > FreeBSD yet. Where do the sources for this live? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 13:12:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA04319 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:12:14 -0800 Received: from laphroaig.cs.hut.fi (laphroaig.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.94]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA04311 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:12:09 -0800 Received: by laphroaig.cs.hut.fi id AA07702 (5.65c8/HUTCS-C 1.3); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:38:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:38:27 +0200 From: Heikki Suonsivu Message-Id: <199501102038.AA07702@laphroaig.cs.hut.fi> To: Robert Michael Gorichanaz Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Robert Michael Gorichanaz's message of 10 Jan 1995 20:00:13 +0200 Subject: FreeBSD as an IP Router Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking to use a PC running FreeBSD as a router/gateway on a small network. Question is, what kinda CPU horsepower do I really need to forward packets between half a dozen 'puters? Do I need a 486dx50? or is that overkill; can I get away with a 386-40 or a 486-33? At least on FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 it doesn't seem to be the CPU speed which sets the limit. For some reason, it can only forward packets at half of the speed which it can pump out of its interfaces. We see about 400-450kbytes/s which has been enough this far. If we ftp directly from the router, we get full 800-900kbytes/s. The ethernet cards are either NE2000 clones or SMC's (elite or ultra). We have got a 386-40 serving 5 interfaces and 4 16550 serial ports (28.8k modems). Two of the ethernet interfaces are heavily loaded. Couple of other similar machines are used as smaller routers. The systems are pretty standard, a scratch install of FreeBSD, new kernel with all the interfaces, master.passwd, fstab, gated, similar stuff to get a minimal environment. It works but I think we are close to the limit. I'm going to be using 16-bit bus-mastering ethernet cards, if that helps. Your suggestions are appreciated. Metoo, I'm searching for good ideas to beef these things up a bit. In particular, I would like to get more than one port in a slot, and better performance in forwarding. -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 13:49:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA17766 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:02:12 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA17754 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:01:55 -0800 Received: from Gena.NetVision.net.il (ts2p5.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.125]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA20899; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:01:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 19:53:21 PST From: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" Subject: RE: XmCD port FreeBSD To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: adm2@cs.city.ac.uk X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >Hi, > >Has anyone managed to port XmCd (the Motif Audio CD playing program) to >FreeBSD yet. Yeah , i did the port using the new SCSI system , so it will work only on FreeBSD-current. Xmcd is really great. The only problem is with eject command - kernel panics when i try to eject CD using the cd player button , but it works ok when i do it manually. This behavior is mentioned in scsi docs and it's ( probably ) fixed for aha-1542 adapter , but i have aic6360 :-(. I tried to fix the problem but still no success. The only way to avoid this is to disable the eject button in config file and change disks manually ( it's not very hard :)) I'll upload the port to freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/incoming soon. > >Thanks, > >Alan. >-- >Alan Messer | Also: - cj562@city.ac.uk >Systems Architecture Research Centre, | - be559@cleveland.freenet.edu >City University, London, EC1V 0HB | (ATK,MIME & PGP2.3 accepted) >Tel: +44 (1)71 477 8551 | Fax: +44 (1)71 477 8587 > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O Gennady Sorokopud O O O O E-Mail: gena@netvision.net.il O O O O http: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena/ O O Tel: home: 972-4-835-227 Address: Sharet st. 21/7 O O K. Tivon , Israel O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi43i2YAAAECANV6d3p8bQLR6Hr2tyd9f4FEUakUIbF0YOtsiil3hR/ebGRe y4EC2Y45ZS7VPiP8Pp8zyAinWEtJ/tBKBYoHdPEABRG0LEdlbm5hZHkgQi4gU29y b2tvcHVkIDxnZW5hQG5ldHZpc2lvbi5uZXQuaWw+ =bvR+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 13:59:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA05172 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:59:03 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA05160 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:59:00 -0800 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <12676-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:58:03 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.7/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id UAA11645 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:44:52 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id KAA22725 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:42:03 GMT Message-Id: <199501101042.KAA22725@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Kernel kerthump (CTM#246) X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:42:02 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Get page not present errors with a kernel compiled at this level - When using nm to pop up the place where the crash occurs, it appears to be within brelse. They will happen very quickly. Find enclosed the config file and the dmesg output. # # # Priapus - the watchdog # # # This directive is mandatory; it defines the architecture to be # configured for; in this case, the 386 family. You must also specify # at least one CPU (the one you intend to run on); deleting the # specification for CPUs you don't need to use may make parts of the # system run faster # machine "i386" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" # a/k/a Pentium(tm) # # This is the ``identification'' of the kernel. Usually this should # be the same as the name of your kernel. # ident priapus # # The `maxusers' parameter controls the static sizing of a number of # internal system tables by a complicated formula defined in param.c. # maxusers 20 # # Space savers # #options "NMBCLUSTERS=128" #options "BUFPAGES=128" # 512k for buffers # # A math emulator is mandatory if you wish to run on hardware which # does not have a floating-point processor. Pick either the original, # bogus (but freely-distributable) math emulator, or a much more # fully-featured but GPL-licensed emulator taken from Linux. # #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation #options GPL_MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emualtion via #new math emulator # # This directive defines a number of things: # - The compiled kernel is to be called `kernel' # - The root filesystem might be on partition wd0a # - The kernel can swap on wd0b and wd1b, defaulting to the former # - Crash dumps will be written to wd0b, if possible # config kernel root on wd0 swap on wd0 and wd1 dumps on wd0 ##################################################################### # COMPATIBILITY OPTIONS # # Implement system calls compatible with 4.3BSD and older versions of # FreeBSD. # options "COMPAT_43" # # Allow user-mode programs to manipulat their local descriptor tables. # This option is required for the WINE Windows(tm) emulator, and is # not used by anything else (that we know of). # options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt # # These three options provide support for System V Interface # Definition-style interprocess communication, in the form of shared # memory, semaphores, and message queues, respectively. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG ##################################################################### # DEBUGGING OPTIONS # # This line enables the kernel debugger, DDB, and the line following # allocates extra space for a copy of the debugger symbol table which # is stored in the initialized data area of the kernel. If you change # the latter option, remove db_aout.o before compiling. # #options DODUMP #We dump core-image on panic #options DDB #Kernel debugger #options "SYMTAB_SPACE=113498" #This kernel needs LOTS of symtable # # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # options KTRACE #kernel tracing ##################################################################### # NETWORKING OPTIONS # # Protocol families: # Only the INET (Internet) family is officially supported in FreeBSD. # Source code for the NS (Xerox Network Service), ISO (OSI), and # CCITT (X.25) families is provided for amusement value, although we # try to ensure that it actually compiles. # options INET #Internet communications protocols # # Network interfaces: # The `loop' pseudo-device is mandatory when networking is enabled. # The `ether' pseudo-device provides generic code to handle # Ethernets; it is mandatory when a Ethernet device driver is # configured. # The `sl' pseudo-device implements the Serial Line IP (SLIP) service. # The `ppp' pseudo-device implements the Point-to-Point Protocol. # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. # pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop #Network loop back device pseudo-device sl 2 #Serial Line IP pseudo-device ppp 2 #Point-to-point protocol pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter # # Internet family options: # # TCP_COMPAT_42 causes the TCP code to emulate certain bugs present in # 4.2BSD. This option should not be used unless you have a 4.2BSD # machine and TCP connections fail. # # GATEWAY allows the machine to forward packets, and also configures # larger static sizes of a number of system tables. # # MROUTING enables the kernel multicast packet forwarder, which works # with mrouted(8). # # IPFIREWALL enables support for IP firewall construction, in # conjunction with the `ipfw' program. IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE does # the obvious thing. # # ARP_PROXYALL enables global proxy ARP. Beware! This can burn # your house down! See netinet/if_ether.c for the gory details. # (Eventually there will be a better management interface.) # options "TCP_COMPAT_42" #emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs options MROUTING # Multicast routing # dropped packets ##################################################################### # FILESYSTEM OPTIONS # # Only the root, /usr, and /tmp filesystems need be statically # compiled; everything else will be automatically loaded at mount # time. (Exception: the UFS family---FFS, MFS, and LFS---cannot # currently be demand-loaded.) Some people still prefer to statically # compile other filesystems as well. # # NB: The LFS, PORTAL, and UNION filesystems are known to be buggy, # and WILL panic your system if you attempt to do anything with them. # They are included here as an incentive for some enterprising soul to # sit down and fix them. # # One of these is mandatory: options FFS #Fast filesystem options NFS #Network File System # The rest are optional: options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options FDESC #File descriptor filesystem options KERNFS #Kernel filesystem options MFS #Memory File System options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options NULLFS #NULL filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options UNION #Union filesystem ##################################################################### # # IBCS2 (SCO Unix, ISC) SVR3.2 emulation stuff # - Allow me to run SCO binaries! # options "COMPAT_IBCS2" options "IBCS2" ##################################################################### # SOUND DEVICE EXCLUSION # # Here we put exclude commands for the purpose of excluding device drivers # for sound cards we do not have. This should hopefully # result in a decreased text size of the kernel, leading to less paging # on my memory challenged machine! # options EXCLUDE_GUS # NO GUS support options EXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT # NO GUS io detection options EXCLUDE_GUSMAX options "EXCLUDE_GUS16" options "EXCLUDE_AD1848" # No Microsoft Sound System, GUS options EXCLUDE_MSS # No Microsoft Sound System options EXCLUDE_PSS # No Personal Sound System options EXCLUDE_PAS # NO Pro Audio Studio support options EXCLUDE_PRO_MIDI # NO PAS MIDI support ##################################################################### # MISCELLANEOUS DEVICES AND OPTIONS # # Of these, only the `log' device is truly mandatory. The `pty' # device usually turns out to be ``effectively mandatory'', as it is # required for `telnetd', `rlogind', `screen', `emacs', and `xterm', # among others. # pseudo-device pty 16 #Pseudo ttys pseudo-device speaker #Play IBM BASIC-style noises out your speaker pseudo-device log #Kernel syslog interface (/dev/klog) ##################################################################### # HARDWARE DEVICE CONFIGURATION # ISA and EISA devices: # Currently there is no separate support for EISA. There should be. # Micro Channel is not supported at all. # # Mandatory ISA devices: isa, sc, npx # controller isa0 # # Options for `isa': # # ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR suppresses the I/O address conflict checks, so # that the PS/2 mouse driver doesn't conflict with the console driver. # # ALLOW_CONFLICT_IRQ suppresses the interrupt line conflict checks, so # that multiple devices can share the same IRQ, provided that the # hardware supports it (it usually doesn't). # # BOUNCE_BUFFERS provides support for ISA DMA on machines with more # than 16 megabytes of memory. It doesn't hurt on other machines. # Some broken EISA and VLB hardware may need this, too. options ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR options ALLOW_CONFLICT_IRQ options BOUNCE_BUFFERS device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # # Options for `sc': # # NCONS specifies the number of virtual consoles. Specification of # this value is mandatory. Due to a compiler bug, when compiling with # GCC 2.6.0 this option must be a power of two. # # FAT_CURSOR specifies the use of a large block cursor rather than the # hardware default underline. # # HARDFONTS allows the driver to load an ISO-8859-1 font to replace # the default font in your display adapter's memory. # # UCONSOLE enables code to let any user get output intended for the # console. # options "NCONS=4" options "FAT_CURSOR" options UCONSOLE device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr # # Optional ISA and EISA devices: # # # ST-506, ESDI, and IDE hard disks: `wdc' and `wd' # # NB: ``Enhanced IDE'' is NOT supported at this time. # controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 # Standard floppy disk controllers and floppy tapes: `fdc', `fd', and `ft' # controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # # Other standard PC hardware: `lpt', `mse', `psm', `sio' # # lpt: printer port # mse: Logitech and ATI InPort bus mouse ports # psm: PS/2 mouse port (needs ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR, above) # sio: serial ports (see sio(4)) device lpt0 at isa? port "IO_LPT1" tty irq 7 vector lptintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr # Options for sio: options DSI_SOFT_MODEM #code for DSI Softmodems # # Network interfaces: `ed', `el', `ep', `ie', `is', `le', `lnc' # # ed: Western Digital and SMC 80xx; Novell NE1000 and NE2000; 3Com 3C503 # el: 3Com 3C501 (slow!) # ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy) # ie: AT&T StarLAN 10 and EN100; 3Com 3C507; unknown NI5210 # is: Isolan AT 4141-0; Isolink 4110; Novell NE2100 # le: Digital Equipment EtherWorks 2 and EtherWorks 3 (DEPCA, DE100, # DE101, DE200, DE201, DE202, DE203, DE204, DE205, DE422) # lnc: unknown LANCE-based # ze: PCMCIA ethernet controller. # device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr # # Audio drivers: `snd', `pca' # # snd: Voxware sound drivers for various cards (see file `sound.doc') # pca: PCM audio through your PC speaker # # Someday, Voxware configuration will be done properly. # #device snd5 at isa? port 0x330 irq 6 vector mpuintr #device snd4 at isa? port 0x220 irq 15 drq 6 vector gusintr #device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6 vector pasintr device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 9 drq 1 vector sbintr device snd6 at isa? port 0x220 irq 9 drq 5 vector sbintr device snd7 at isa? port 0x300 device snd1 at isa? port 0x388 device pca0 at isa? tty Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Tue Jan 10 17:31:02 EST 1995 Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: seh@priapus.devetir.qld.gov.au:/usr/src/sy s/compile/priapus Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) Id = 0x435 Origin = "GenuineIntel" Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: avail memory = 14884864 (3634 pages) Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: sc0: VGA color <4 virtual consoles> Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 5 maddr 0xd8000 msize 16384 on isa Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: ed0: address 00:00:c0:12:ae:5e, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) Jan 10 20:17:31 priapus /kernel: bpf: ed0 attached Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: sio0: type 16450 Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: sio1: type 16450 Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: pca0 PC speaker audio driver Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: wd0: 407MB (833664 total sec), 1002 cyl, 16 head, 52 sec, bytes/sec 512 Jan 10 20:17:32 priapus /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: fdc0: (NEC 765) [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] [1: fd1: 1.2MB 5.25in] Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: snd2 at 0x220 irq 9 drq 1 on isa Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: snd2: Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: snd6 at 0x220 irq 9 drq 5 on isa Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: snd6: Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: snd7 at 0x300 on isa Jan 10 20:17:33 priapus /kernel: snd7: Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: snd1 at 0x388 on isa Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: snd1: Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: bpf: lo0 attached Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: bpf: ppp0 attached Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: bpf: ppp1 attached Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: bpf: sl0 attached Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: bpf: sl1 attached Jan 10 20:17:34 priapus /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted I really hate babies. Can't stand e'm. The arrogance, the lies. They are not to be trusted. I hate babies. - D. Schwab From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:05:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA05272 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:05:12 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA05266 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:05:10 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA16498 ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:06:01 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12951; Tue, 10 Jan 95 23:06:07 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501102206.AA12951@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: The routes from hell To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:06:07 +0100 (MET) Cc: rkw@dataplex.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9501101911.AA13067@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Jan 10, 95 02:11:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 627 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It will go away precisely four hours after the last close. You can > adjust this timeout using the command: Route cloning is fine except in one case : you have an IP provider with non-fixed addresses and a PPP link... The pppd will put a default route, the route code will learn the routes. You disconnect. You connect again at a latter time and you don't have the same address. The route are out and I have either to put a low timeout or nuke the routes manually... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:06:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA05286 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:06:15 -0800 Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA05280 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:06:11 -0800 Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02283; Tue, 10 Jan 95 23:02:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 23:02:02 +0100 From: jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr (Jean-Marc Zucconi) Message-Id: <9501102202.AA02283@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> To: lsys@np.ac.sg Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, lsys@np.ac.sg In-Reply-To: <199501101201.EAA10332@freefall.cdrom.com> (message from SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong on Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:58:21 +0800 (SST)) Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SysAdmin" == SysAdmin <- Ng Pheng Siong > writes: > Hi. Didn't see any response to a previous post, so I'll try > again. Hopefully someone can clue me in. > I have 1.x unpatched-final-current and 2.0R (2.1.0 kernel supped on > 4th/5th Dec) running on identical hardware alongside each other. > Somehow, the 2.0 system feels slower. Iozone reports thusly: > == 2.0 == Writing the 10 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...27.835938 > seconds Reading the file...20.015625 seconds > IOZONE performance measurements: 376698 bytes/second for writing > the file 523878 bytes/second for reading the file > == 1.x == Writing the 10 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...25.150000 > seconds Reading the file...43.716667 seconds > IOZONE performance measurements: 416928 bytes/second for writing > the file 239857 bytes/second for reading the file I also noticed a slowdown of the fs with 2.0, and discovered that I left the BOUNCE_BUFFERS option in my config file. Removing this option improve the performance a bit (I don't need it since I only have 16Mb): FreeBSD 2/option BOUNCE_BUFFERS 735K/s write 1120K/s read FreeBSD 2/no bounce buffers 1151 1434 FreeBSD 1.1.5/no bounce buffers 1630 872 Jean-Marc. -- ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Jean-Marc Zucconi | jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr Observatoire de Besancon | F 25010 Besancon cedex | PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:09:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA05322 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:09:20 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA05315 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:09:12 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA25778; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:05:12 +1100 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:05:12 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501102205.JAA25778@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dufault@hda.com, rkw@dataplex.net Subject: Re: Where is THIS file? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Do new ISA devices get handled without doing a config, while new general >devices don't? No, conf.c has to know about everything, and the only way that it can know if a new device foo is configured is to include foo.h. >For now you can just create one in your /sys/compile/MYNAME >directory with this in it: >> #define NSSC 0 >and it will get recreated when you config. >Someone can tell me if I did something wrong. You didn't complain enough about the bugs in config that cause it to do more than this :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:39:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA07635 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:39:44 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07621 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:39:39 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA13429; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:39:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:39:33 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501102239.AA13429@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The routes from hell In-Reply-To: <9501102206.AA12951@blaise.ibp.fr> References: <9501101911.AA13067@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <9501102206.AA12951@blaise.ibp.fr> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < Route cloning is fine except in one case : you have an IP provider > with non-fixed addresses and a PPP link... The pppd will put a default > route, the route code will learn the routes. You disconnect. > You connect again at a latter time and you don't have the same address. > The route are out and I have either to put a low timeout or nuke the routes > manually... This is supposed to happen automatically when the PPP interface goes down. If this is not happening, I would like to see the output of `ifconfig -a' and `netstat -rn' for both before and after, and I'll try to fix the problem. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:41:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA07700 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:41:00 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07694 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:40:49 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:40:36 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:40:37 -0600 To: Bruce Evans From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Re: Where is THIS file? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >You didn't complain enough about the bugs in config that cause it to do >more than this :-). Perhaps something in the tree should "depend" on the config source and force config to run, or at least abort the make, whenever there is a change. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:41:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA07748 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:41:46 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07741 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:41:45 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA13433; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:41:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:41:35 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501102241.AA13433@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Heikki Suonsivu Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD as an IP Router In-Reply-To: <199501102038.AA07702@laphroaig.cs.hut.fi> References: <199501102038.AA07702@laphroaig.cs.hut.fi> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > At least on FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 it doesn't seem to be the CPU speed which sets > the limit. For some reason, it can only forward packets at half of the > speed which it can pump out of its interfaces. The speed limit for ISA network interfaces is the ISA bus speed. You are actually CPU limited, but because the CPU has to reach out over the ISA bus to pull data off the interface, it takes much longer than would a memory access to data in system RAM. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:45:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA07985 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:45:16 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07949; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:45:05 -0800 Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: From: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an IP Router To: wraith@csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Gorichanaz) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:43:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501101747.LAA30237@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> from "Robert Michael Gorichanaz" at Jan 10, 95 11:47:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 564 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm looking to use a PC running FreeBSD as a router/gateway on a small > network. Question is, what kinda CPU horsepower do I really need to > forward packets between half a dozen 'puters? Do I need a 486dx50? or > is that overkill; can I get away with a 386-40 or a 486-33? > > I'm going to be using 16-bit bus-mastering ethernet cards, if that helps. correct my ignorance, but do we have DRIVERS for any such cards? all the drivers I know copy the data out of on-board memory.. (?) julian (no, really, I am intersted in the answer to this question..) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:49:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA08121 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:49:45 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08115 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:49:42 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA16848 ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:32 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13140; Tue, 10 Jan 95 23:50:39 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501102250.AA13140@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: The routes from hell To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:38 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9501102239.AA13429@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Jan 10, 95 05:39:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 504 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is supposed to happen automatically when the PPP interface goes > down. If this is not happening, I would like to see the output of > `ifconfig -a' and `netstat -rn' for both before and after, and I'll > try to fix the problem. Will do. Anyway, don't you think that you should disable the route cloning code when there is a default route ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:52:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA08331 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:52:42 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08325 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:52:39 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA05101 (5.65.kiae-2 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:49:56 +0300 Received: by elvisti.kiev.ua (uumail/ache) id AA00700; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:36:57 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA18337 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:33:22 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA23354 for freebsd-hackers%freebsd.org@xenix; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:33:22 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199501102233.AAA23354@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Localization stuff? To: freebsd-hackers%freebsd.org@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:33:21 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 802 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello FreeBSD wizards and hackers, I have a simple question to you. I'm using 1.1.5 and I'm not going to upgrade soon; anyway, for my work I need (and not only me) the complete localization kit, not only LC_CTYPE, but LC_COLLATE and company, too. In 1.1.5's libc I found only a kind of template for everything but LC_CTYPE. I contacted the author of Linux' locale, Nickolay Saukh, and he permitted to use his locale kit with FreeBSD. But after I've got it, I discovered that this package is based on SysV's locale, and is differs _much_ from the ideas found in FreeBSD library sources. My questions are: Is the development of the localization kit going on? What's the current state of this development? Whom should I contact? -- With best wishes -- Andrew Stesin, Elvisti.Kiev.UA sysadmin. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 14:53:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA08362 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:53:23 -0800 Received: from devnull.mpd.tandem.com (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08356 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:53:18 -0800 Received: from olympus by devnull.mpd.tandem.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA21874; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:53:02 -0600 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA23943; Tue, 10 Jan 95 16:51:43 CST From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9501102251.AA23943@olympus> Subject: PCI specs To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:51:43 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 268 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Where can I find the PCI specs? Thanks. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 15:07:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA09727 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:07:39 -0800 Received: from barney.cs.city.ac.uk (root@barney.cs.city.ac.uk [138.40.91.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA09721 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:07:37 -0800 Received: from ben.britain.eu.net by barney.cs.city.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #6) id m0rRpez-0007EIC; Tue, 10 Jan 95 23:07 GMT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by ben.britain.eu.net via UKIP with SMTP (PP) id ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:07:09 +0000 Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:04:41 GMT Message-Id: <9501102304.AA26876@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15800; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:06:07 +1100 From: "M.C" Wong Subject: Re: XmCD port FreeBSD To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:06:06 EDT Cc: adm2@cs.city.ac.uk, citycs-list-freebsd-hackers@cs.city.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9501101946.AA10951@cs.weber.edu>; from "Terry Lambert" at Jan 10, 95 12:46 (noon) X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone managed to port XmCd (the Motif Audio CD playing program) to > > FreeBSD yet. > > Where do the sources for this live? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > AH ha, I have tried this on 1.1.5.1, and yes it worked, except I haven't got the time to make it to 2.0 ports, as I don't run 2.0, nor do I have SWiM for 2.0. I think one can get it from ftp.x.org, can't remember the path, though. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M.C Wong Email: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com Australian Telecom Operation Voice: +61 3 272 8058 Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd Fax: +61 3 898 9257 31 Joseph St, Blackburn 3130, Australia OS: FreeBSD-1.1.5.1 http://hpautow.aus.hp.com:9999/~mcw/mcw.html (or http://hpautorf/~mcw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 15:33:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA09943 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:33:55 -0800 Received: from irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09937 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:33:52 -0800 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA28259 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:33:46 -0500 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199501102333.SAA28259@irbs.com> Subject: Re: The routes from hell To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-hackers) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:33:45 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: jc@irbs.com In-Reply-To: <9501102206.AA12951@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier ROBERT" at Jan 10, 95 11:06:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1166 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier ROBERT writes: > > > It will go away precisely four hours after the last close. You can > > adjust this timeout using the command: > > Route cloning is fine except in one case : you have an IP provider > with non-fixed addresses and a PPP link... The pppd will put a default > route, the route code will learn the routes. You disconnect. > You connect again at a latter time and you don't have the same address. > > The route are out and I have either to put a low timeout or nuke the routes > manually... > Or you have two ppp links. ppp0 to the world and ppp1 to a small net. Both links drop out and the one to the world comes back last. The world is now on ppp1 the routes say to use ppp0. The minimum timeout appears to be 10 minutes. #define RTQ_TIMEOUT 60 /* run once a minute */ int rtq_timeout = RTQ_TIMEOUT; ..... arg.found = arg.killed = 0; arg.rnh = rnh; arg.nextstop = time.tv_sec + 10*rtq_timeout; ^^^^^^ arg.draining = 0; > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 > -- John Capo jc@irbs.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 15:40:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA10021 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:40:38 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10015 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:40:37 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA13545; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:40:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:40:30 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501102340.AA13545@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The routes from hell In-Reply-To: <9501102250.AA13140@blaise.ibp.fr> References: <9501102239.AA13429@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <9501102250.AA13140@blaise.ibp.fr> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < Will do. Anyway, don't you think that you should disable the route > cloning code when there is a default route ? No, that's precisely the case when it's most important! Route metrics attached to the default route are completely useless (which is why the TCP code doesn't even bother to update them). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 15:45:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA10072 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:45:21 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10066 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:45:20 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA13549; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:45:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:45:02 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501102345.AA13549@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: PCI specs In-Reply-To: <9501102251.AA23943@olympus> References: <9501102251.AA23943@olympus> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < Where can I find the PCI specs? You can buy them from PCI SIG... (digs through piles on desk...) ------------------------------------ TO ORDER PCI DOCUMENTATION CALL 1-(800)-433-5177 (Domestic) 1-(503)-797-4207 (International) FAX 1-(503)-234-6762 (For spec orders) According to the sheet I have: PCI Specification, Rev. 2.0 $25 plus shipping PCI BIOS Specification, Rev. 2.0 $25 plus shipping PCI System Design Guide, Rev. 1.0 $25 plus shipping All three $50 plus shipping Payment by check, MO, VISA, or MC only in US Dollars (no POs) ------------------------------------ This may be out of date. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 16:15:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA10854 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:15:25 -0800 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA10820; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:15:19 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA03681; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:15:40 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199501110015.AAA03681@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <7441.789699196@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 9, 95 04:53:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1546 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who said > > > I saw it; I wasn't horribly enamored of the idea of info files at all, > > having hacked help files on VMS for far too long in my miguided youth. > > Maybe, but we've already got a browser we can count on having with the > system (unless you're prepared right here and now to try and get lynx > into /usr/bin :-) that a number of people are ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH > and it's called info. I'm all in favour of providing an info system but.... > > My personal preference would be to do the docs in sgml, sure, but the > very minute texinfo output works, pop copies of the output into > /usr/share/info at install time. That would give us nice online docs > using a browser that may be a little crufty, but it's small and it's > been around for a real long time. Don't worry, we'll produce HTML too > so that folks like you can browse with netscape all you wish! :-) I'm really dead against texinfo becoming the standard we use for *writing our* docs in. Sure we need to support info pages that come (mainly) with the gnu software but we should pick something better for our own stuff. The XFree86 group have gone for the Linux system and I'd really like to see us do the same. Rich can probably comment on why they did and what the benefits are. -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Phone: +44 1222 874000 x5958 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 16:30:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA11106 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:30:07 -0800 Received: from stargate.np.ac.sg (stargate.np.ac.sg [153.20.24.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11100 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:30:04 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by stargate.np.ac.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA01107 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:11:13 +0800 Message-Id: <199501110011.IAA01107@stargate.np.ac.sg> Received: from titan.np.ac.sg(153.20.24.72) by stargate.np.ac.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma001104; Wed Jan 11 08:11:01 1995 Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:10:50 +0800 (SST) From: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501101501.QAA07760@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jan 10, 95 04:01:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 650 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J"org wrote: > Did you by incident run pccons on your 1.1.X system? Pccons has been > *way* simpler than either syscons or pcvt (though the latest pcvt is > again almost as fast as [at least NetBSD's -- they still have it] > pccons). By Jove, you're right! I simply took defaults, and have not noticed the defaults were different. However, the 2 boxen I'm doing these things on are on our Internet DMZ, and are in a (cold and noisy) machine room. I'm doing this via telnet from my desktop: are the console drivers involved? TIA. Cheers. - PS -- Ng Pheng Siong * lsys@np.ac.sg * ngps@np.ac.sg Computer Centre, Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 16:46:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA11281 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:46:13 -0800 Received: from europa.com (root@ratcliff.europa.com [199.2.194.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA11251; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:44:31 -0800 Received: by europa.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.15) id ; Tue, 10 Jan 95 16:44 GMT Message-Id: From: timb@europa.com (Tim Bach) Subject: Problem's with slip To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:44:15 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 17:04:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA11689 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:04:28 -0800 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA11683; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:04:25 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA03994; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:04:32 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199501110104.BAA03994@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an IP Router To: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:04:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wraith@csd.uwm.edu, questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Julian Elischer" at Jan 10, 95 02:43:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1559 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Julian Elischer who said > > > > > I'm looking to use a PC running FreeBSD as a router/gateway on a small > > network. Question is, what kinda CPU horsepower do I really need to > > forward packets between half a dozen 'puters? Do I need a 486dx50? or > > is that overkill; can I get away with a 386-40 or a 486-33? > > > > I'm going to be using 16-bit bus-mastering ethernet cards, if that helps. > > correct my ignorance, but do we have DRIVERS for any such cards? > all the drivers I know copy the data out of on-board memory.. > > (?) > julian (no, really, I am intersted in the answer to this question..) > > The is and lnc drivers both use bus-mastering DMA. I reckon these are the cards of choice myself and apparently people are picking them up for ridiculous prices in the US. You want to look for PCnet or Lance based cards to use the lnc driver. The is driver is going to be dropped probably after the next release since it's now superceded by the lnc driver. Someone in the NetBSD lists said they picked up a 32 bit PCI PCnet card for $79! Apparently it needs PCI config support to be written into the driver before it will work since the driver doesn't know the irq pin etc. If someone wants to send me one I'll happily get it to work. I've got the docs next to me here :-) -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Phone: +44 1222 874000 x5958 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 17:07:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA11730 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:07:02 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA11724 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:07:00 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA13707; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:06:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:06:50 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501110106.AA13707@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: jc@irbs.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-hackers) Subject: Re: The routes from hell In-Reply-To: <199501102333.SAA28259@irbs.com> References: <9501102206.AA12951@blaise.ibp.fr> <199501102333.SAA28259@irbs.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > The minimum timeout appears to be 10 minutes. Actually, that's the maximum time between timeout runs. If you look at the tree-walk function, you'll see that it takes the minimum of (this node's expiration time) and (what we figured before). The intent is to make it easier to dynamically reconfigure the timeout. Otherwise, if you started up the system, created a few routes, and then changed the timeout value, then the next timeout run wouldn't be scheduled for another four hours, which is not a good situation to be in. So, I guarantee that the tree will always be checked at least once every 10 minutes, and possibly more often if something is expected to time out sooner than that. (The comment is misleading, and dates from an earlier implementation, as does the `rtq' prefix.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 17:15:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA11835 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:15:22 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA11827 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:15:20 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA25305 (5.65.kiae-2 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 04:02:54 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id DAA03746; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 03:48:37 +0300 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Andrew V. Stesin" References: <199501102233.AAA23354@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <199501102233.AAA23354@office.elvisti.kiev.ua>; from "Andrew V. Stesin" at Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:33:21 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 03:48:37 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Localization stuff? Lines: 46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1652 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501102233.AAA23354@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Andrew V. Stesin writes: >I'm using 1.1.5 and I'm not going to upgrade soon; >anyway, for my work I need (and not only me) the complete >localization kit, not only LC_CTYPE, but LC_COLLATE and company, >too. Locale scheme changed since 1.x, so you better try 2.x. With 2.x changes all ctype-oriented programs can easily understands koi8-r f.e. with only few environment settings. However, only LC_CTYPE locale still provided. >In 1.1.5's libc I found only a kind of template for everything >but LC_CTYPE. I contacted the author of Linux' locale, >Nickolay Saukh, and he permitted to use his locale kit >with FreeBSD. But after I've got it, I discovered that >this package is based on SysV's locale, and is differs >_much_ from the ideas found in FreeBSD library sources. IMHO, better way is to keep LC_CTYPE locale in current (BSD) style, because it more powerful than SysV LC_CTYPE. And additionly intergate into this scheme LC_COLLATE and company. >My questions are: > Is the development of the localization kit going on? No, just adopting of current code. > What's the current state of this development? I describe it in few words above. > Whom should I contact? You can contact me at least. Maybe wollman@freefall.cdrom.com would be interested to as first importer of locale code. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 18:01:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA12797 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:01:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA12789; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:01:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Doug Rabson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Motif for FreeBSD 2.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:22:14 GMT." <199501101522.PAA02142@trout.render.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:01:38 -0800 Message-ID: <12787.789789698@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does this exist? I have a copy of swim for FreeBSD 1.1 which works as > long as you use a FreeBSD 1.1 compiler and libraries and XFree86-2.1. > What I am really after is one which works with 2.0 libraries and > compilers and XFree86-3.1. Motif-2.0 would be a bonus obviously. Talk to info@lasermoon.co.uk Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 18:02:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA12829 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:02:37 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA12823 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:02:36 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA17690; Tue, 10 Jan 95 18:56:42 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501110156.AA17690@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: PCI specs To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 18:56:41 MST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9501102251.AA23943@olympus> from "Boyd Faulkner" at Jan 10, 95 04:51:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Where can I find the PCI specs? > I will bring them in to work tomorrow. Ugh. I *think* you call 800 321-3601 PCI Direct (Chicago IL). This may be wrong. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 18:14:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA13204 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:14:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA13187; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:14:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Doc project status In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:26:00 EST." <199501101526.KAA12213@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:14:06 -0800 Message-ID: <13185.789790446@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a mail alias set up on freefall for these people yet? Yes. doc@freebsd.org is now born (just now did it :-). All current project members are on it. For now, I'll let Mr Bresler run it along with the other lists, but in the long (or short?) term I see it being a closed list with the docmaster controlling additions. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 18:21:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA13352 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:21:13 -0800 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA13346 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:21:11 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA05279 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 02:21:29 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199501110221.CAA05279@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Gateway sounds cards To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers mailing list) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 02:21:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 470 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there anyone who's got the soundcard with the Gateway P5-90 to work under FreeBSD. I've had no luck yet. It's supposed to be soundblaster compatible and it's showing up in the probe but I can't get any sound out of it. -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Phone: +44 1222 874000 x5958 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 19:06:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA14455 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:06:48 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA14447 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:06:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Jordan Hayes: Re: Virtual top-level home pages on the same machine Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: <14444.789793602@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone interested in this? ------- Forwarded Message From: jordan@heuristicrat.com (Jordan Hayes) Subject: Re: Virtual top-level home pages on the same machine [ by popular demand; I did this a few months ago (a Sparc I have here has 10 addresses! Thanks, Tim!). I have since seen a patch from some luser on the net that's hundreds of lines long. I couldn't even tell if it did what I thought it did. Anyway, here's what I did. I did something similar to inetd so that you can have multiple inetd's running in the same way. Fun city. ] There is a configuration item in the CERN httpd called "hostname" but it appears not to be used for anything. So I use that. If you have the CERN 1.3 source, the server lives in Daemon/Implementation. - - In HTConfig.h (around line 45), I added a struct in_addr to the struct _HTServerConfig - - In HTConfig.c (around line 1100) I initialize sc.addr.s_addr to INADDR_ANY - - there's a big pile of code that parses the config file. When you get to the "hostname" directive (around line 1755), I added: struct hostent *hp; if ((hp = gethostbyname(vec[1])) != (struct hostent *)NULL) bcopy((char *)hp->h_addr, (char *)&sc.addr.s_addr, sizeof(sc.addr.s_addr)); - - In HTDaemon.c (around line 1324) I changed the line sin->sin_addr.s_addr = INADDR_ANY; /* Default: any address */ to sin->sin_addr.s_addr = sc.addr.s_addr; - ----- If the "hostname" directive doesn't exist, this is a no-op; the bind() call just listens on all interfaces. If it does exist, and we can resolve it (make sure there's an A record for the particular interface that you want to listen on), it gets used instead. Use the -r argument to httpd to have separate config files. Actual diffs (I lied: I added 7 lines and changed one): =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/HTConfig.c,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -r1.1 HTConfig.c 1081a1082 > struct hostent *hp; 1103a1105,1106 > sc.addr.s_addr = INADDR_ANY; > 1755a1759,1761 > if ((hp = gethostbyname(vec[1])) != (struct hostent *)NULL) > bcopy((char *)hp->h_addr, (char *)&sc.addr.s_addr, > sizeof(sc.addr.s_addr)); =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/HTConfig.h,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -r1.1 HTConfig.h 45a46 > struct in_addr addr; /* virtual hosts */ =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/HTDaemon.c,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -r1.1 HTDaemon.c 1324c1324 < sin->sin_addr.s_addr = INADDR_ANY; /* Default: any address */ - --- > sin->sin_addr.s_addr = sc.addr.s_addr; ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 19:46:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA16109 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:46:53 -0800 Received: from hermes.cybernetics.net (hermes.cybernetics.net [198.80.51.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA16100 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:46:50 -0800 Received: (from james@localhost) by hermes.cybernetics.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA20086 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:56:55 -0500 From: James Robinson Message-Id: <199501110356.WAA20086@hermes.cybernetics.net> Subject: 2.0 Install comments To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1428 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've just installed 2.0R onto two machines using whatever floppies the sym links point to these days. I was amazed -- I couldn't believe the improvement in interface that has happened. This is really a great leap forward! (I didn't know we had a Turbo Pascal compiler :-) Now, I think I hit some spots of code that wasn't exercised properly (not a big deal, but certainly made the install stumble, and would have seriously discouraged a novice sys sdmin). I was installing across the local network, but WITHOUT DNS / nameserver. Nowhere did it ask for the IP address of the host machine (i.e. the one with the distribution on it). I could escape into the subshell and cat it into /etc/hosts, which worked for a while. After it exploded one of the distributions (bindist mabye? Whichever one has the new /etc/hosts in it), the hacked /etc/hosts became overwritten, causing the next dist fetch attempt to fail. No biggie -- got past it fine. There were a couple of other things, of which I have written down at work. More tommorow! Really really slick and relatively painless. Wonderful work (Poul?) ! James : James Robinson : james@hermes.cybernetics.net ::See the screaming hot black :FreeBSD|XFree86 :The best things in life are Free:: steaming iridescent : Frank Zappa : Music is the best ::naughahyde python screaming : HTTP Server : http://hermes.cybernetics.net/ :: steam roller! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 19:52:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA16201 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:52:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA16194; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:52:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Paul Richards cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Mail about `dir' file. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:15:39 GMT." <199501110015.AAA03681@isl.cf.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:52:55 -0800 Message-ID: <16192.789796375@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm really dead against texinfo becoming the standard we use for *writing > our* docs in. Sure we need to support info pages that come (mainly) with You didn't read my message. I said: > My personal preference would be to do the docs in sgml, sure, but the > very minute texinfo output works, pop copies of the output into ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Read the word OUTPUT again. Sigh! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 20:31:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA17203 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:31:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA17196; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:31:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: James Robinson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: 2.0 Install comments In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:56:55 EST." <199501110356.WAA20086@hermes.cybernetics.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:31:00 -0800 Message-ID: <17194.789798660@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've just installed 2.0R onto two machines using whatever floppies the sym > links point to these days. I was amazed -- I couldn't believe the improvement > in interface that has happened. This is really a great leap forward! Thanks! > I was installing across the local network, but WITHOUT DNS / nameserver. > Nowhere did it ask for the IP address of the host machine (i.e. the one with > the distribution on it). I could escape into the subshell and cat it into > /etc/hosts, which worked for a while. After it exploded one of the Huh? You selected ftp installation, right? And then you went down the menu to where it said "I want to select my own" for the ftp site, and you typed in the name or URL of the ftp site using an IP address. Right? > Really really slick and relatively painless. Wonderful work (Poul?) ! Poul and I, yes. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 20:41:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA17474 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:41:24 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA17458 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:40:45 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA09995 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:35:35 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA04627; 10 Jan 95 18:34:23 CST (Tue) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA04624; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:34:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199501110034.SAA04624@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: graaff@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl (Hans de Graaff) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: xvnews 2.3 released In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jan 95 16:25:45 GMT." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:30:21 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It builds out of the box on FreeBSD 1.1.5.1. You need to explicitly "make" in the two guide subdirectories, though... it doesn't build them until it's built the main and the main build fails if the libs aren't there and I'm not familiar enough with Imake to hack that. Nice program. I'm using it now... not as featureful as trn but very clean with a minimum of inobvious junk. ===== > > This message announces the availability of xvnews release 2.3. xvnews > is a newsreader with an OpenLook GUI, written using the XView > toolkit. For those of you who want to go right ahead and pick it up, > here are the FTP sites: > > ftp.twi.tudelft.nl:/pub/news/xvnews-2.3.tar.gz > (note that this site only allows a small number of ftp connections) > > ftp.uu.net:/networking/news/readers/xvnews/xvnews-2.3.tar.gz > (and all sites which mirror those directories) > > As an experiment I have also made available some information via WWW: > > http://dutifp.twi.tudelft.nl:8000/xvnews/ > > A log of the changes since the release of the previous version 2.2.1 > is appended below. [... big log deleted...read the original article in comp.sys.sun.misc...] > -- > Hans de Graaff J.J.deGraaff@TWI.TUDelft.NL > Delft University of Technology Department of Information Systems > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > WWW link From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 21:32:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA18440 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:32:35 -0800 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA18432 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:32:29 -0800 Received: from p0.uniserve.com (p0.uniserve.com [198.53.215.193]) by haven.uniserve.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA01607; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 04:36:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 04:36:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199501111236.EAA01607@haven.uniserve.com> X-Sender: tom@haven.uniserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: James Robinson , hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) From: tom@haven.uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Subject: Re: 2.0 Install comments Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:56 PM 1/10/95 -0500, James Robinson wrote: >I was installing across the local network, but WITHOUT DNS / nameserver. >Nowhere did it ask for the IP address of the host machine (i.e. the one with You can enter the IP address where it asks for a hostname. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 21:52:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA18754 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:52:41 -0800 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA18748 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:52:37 -0800 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA00346 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:50:43 -0500 From: Wankle Rotary Engine Message-Id: <199501110550.AAA00346@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: First cut of NIS server code To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:50:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5715 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay boys & girls: I've uploaded the first cut of the ypserv stuff I've been working on to freefall:/incoming/ypserv-2.0-current.tar.gz. (Hope that's the right place.) Here come some notes: The archive includes sources for ypserv, ypxfr, yppush, yppasswdd, yp_mkdb and a modified /usr/bin/passwd that has yppasswd rolled into it. There are binaries supplied too. The Makefiles were shamelessly stolen and adapted from other parts of the FreeBSD source tree. There is a getpwent.c.diff patch which needs to be applied to getpwent.c in libc in order to properly allow a FreeBSD NIS client to properly handle password maps in the master.passwd format. This patch, in concert with some security checking features in ypserv, help protect the master.passwd maps from non-privileged users. This patch changes the way YP lookups are done for the passwd maps: if the user doing the lookup is the superuser, an attempt will be made to do a yp_first on the master.passwd map. If this succeeds, the master.passwd map will be transfered instead of the standard passwd map. If it fails, the master.passwd transfer is aborted and the standard passwd map is transfered instead. This allows FreeBSD client machines to continue to work with standard NIS servers. There's a bit of a speed hit involved in doing this, but only for the superuser: for normal users, lookups should be about as fast as usual. In any event, you will need to rebuild libc, and any statically-linked binaries that use the getpwent routines for password authentication. A YP Makefile, an mknetid script and a pwupdate script (for use with yppasswdd) are provided. These may need to be edited befopre being committed. I'm not sure how you guys want to swing this, so I'll leave it to you to make the necessary mods. Here are the changes/features for each program: YPSERV: - Modified to use db database format instead of GNU dbm - All maps are read/write by root only. - Implemented ypxfr capability - With the -dns flag, the server will do DNS lookups for hosts not in the hosts.* maps -- changed to use actual resolver routines to avoid a possible looping condition (server queries itself) - Put in checks for each map transfer function to check the port from which YP requests originate -- only the superuser will be allowed to transfer the master.passwd maps and do ypxfrs. - Changed to background itself properly. If involked with -debug, server remains in the foreground and prints copious status messages. YPXFR: - Converted to use db database format instead of GNU dbm - Took out a lot of grungy debugging code. - Changed certain function names to avoid conflicts with RPC xdr_* functions already in libc. YPPUSH: - Mostly the same as ypxfr YP_MKDB: - Converted to use db format YPPASSWD: - Merged with /usr/bin/passwd -- passwd now has -y -s and -f flags: passwd -y user change YP password instead of local passwd -f user change full name (gecos) in passwd map passwd -s user change shell in passwd map yppasswd -> symlink to passwd (same as passwd -y) ypchfn -> symlink to passwd (same as passwd -f) ypchsh -> synlink to passwd (same as passwd -s) YPPASSWDD: - Hacked to support master.passwd format. If you invoke yppasswdd with no arguments, it will assume that /etc/master.passwd and /etc/passwd are the raw password files to use. The prefered invocation would be: yppasswdd -m /path/to/master.passwd -o /path/to/passwd -f -s The -s flag allows changes to the shell field in the password database. The -f flag allows changes to the gecos field. If you don't specify these flags, users will only be able to change their password. /path/to/master.passwd should be read/write by root only. If you plan to use FreeBSD to serve a standard NIS client (like a SunOS box), you'll also need to use the -u (unsecure) flag. yppasswdd normally strips passwords out of the standard /path/to/passwd file. This would break non-FreeBSD clients. Note that the /path/to/master.passwd file must exist even if you won't be serving FreeBSD clients. You do not need to create a map for it though. So, if you want to set up a FreeBSD machine to serve SunOS clients, do this: 1) yppasswdd -m /path/to/master.passwd -o /path/to/passwd -f -s -u 2) edit /var/yp/Makefile so that it doesn't rebuild master.passwd.byname and master.passwd.byuid by default - If you do use /etc/master.passwd as your raw password file, yppasswdd will rebuild the standard databases for you as pwd_mkdb does. - Runs /usr/libexec/pwupdate after a user changes a password, which is a script that contains the commands needed to update and push the password maps. /var/yp/Makefile: - Should rebuild all the necessary files -- will probably have to be edited for each system. Unfortunately, setting up NIS is not for the squeamish. There are a couple of man pages here and there, but somebody will have to worry about providing complete documentation: I don't do man pages. Jordan: I hope you can try this stuff on freefall/thud/watever to give it a shakedown. If there are any really nasty problems, I'll try my best to stomp them out. Share and enjoy! -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul System Manager wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Center for Telecommunications Research (212) 854-6020 Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 21:58:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA18803 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:58:44 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA18797 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:58:39 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA02180; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:53:11 +1100 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:53:11 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501110553.QAA02180@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hsu@cs.hut.fi, wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an IP Router Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The speed limit for ISA network interfaces is the ISA bus speed. You >are actually CPU limited, but because the CPU has to reach out over >the ISA bus to pull data off the interface, it takes much longer than >would a memory access to data in system RAM. Actually, on my DX2/66 with a WD8013EBT (16 bit shared memory), the ISA overhead for a single interface running `ttcp -t' at full speed is about 35% while the general system overhead is also about 35%. On slower systems, the ISA overhead is almost the same while the general system overhead increases. The system doesn't have to get much slower before it cannot saturate the ethernet. My DX33 with a WD8013EBT can barely saturate the ethernet, but when the card is in NE2000 (PIO) mode, it cannot. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 22:09:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA18975 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:09:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA18968; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:09:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Wankle Rotary Engine cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: First cut of NIS server code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:50:39 EST." <199501110550.AAA00346@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18965.789804583.1@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:09:43 -0800 Message-ID: <18966.789804583@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Okay boys & girls: I've uploaded the first cut of the ypserv stuff I've > been working on to freefall:/incoming/ypserv-2.0-current.tar.gz. (Hope > that's the right place.) Here come some notes: This is great, thanks! Ok, commit team, who wants this? Do I get it? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 22:31:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA19377 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:31:32 -0800 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA19371 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:31:30 -0800 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id BAA00414 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:29:40 -0500 From: Wankle Rotary Engine Message-Id: <199501110629.BAA00414@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Whoops! Forgot yppush! (more NIS stuff) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:29:36 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 804 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just now realized that I forgot to pack yppush into the tar file with all the other YP server tools. Take heed: I just uploaded a new copy of ypserv-2.0-current.tar.gz to freefall:/incoming with yppush in it. This will teach me to roll distribution archives at 1:30 AM. -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Mon Jan 9 14:59:33 EST 1995 ~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 23:18:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA20437 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:18:02 -0800 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20431; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:17:59 -0800 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id CAA00578; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 02:16:08 -0500 From: Wankle Rotary Engine Message-Id: <199501110716.CAA00578@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Small update to ypserv To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 02:16:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 795 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forgot to merge in one small change to the DNS lookup functions in ypserv. I've uploaded yet another copy of ypserv-2.0-current.tar.gz to freefall:/incoming. No more after this: I promise. Well, unless somebody reports a bug. An updated ypserv binary is included. -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Mon Jan 9 14:59:33 EST 1995 ~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 10 23:47:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA21125 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:47:19 -0800 Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [140.174.23.40]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA21119 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:47:17 -0800 Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA00231 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:47:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:47:13 -0800 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199501110747.XAA00231@kithrup.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: using procfs for debugging Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found my old kernel tree that allowed me to control processes using procfs (being able to do things like have a process stop on events, and get information about said stopping). This is a real old tree -- I don't know how well it would go into 2.x... If someone is willing to port gdb to our procfs, I'd be delighted to work with you on it... Sean. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 01:03:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA22657 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:03:12 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA22622 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:01:11 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12673; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:01:39 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id KAA03073 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:01:38 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA11815; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:30:01 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501110830.JAA11815@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: lsys@np.ac.sg (SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:30:01 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501110011.IAA01107@stargate.np.ac.sg> from "SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong" at Jan 11, 95 08:10:50 am X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 697 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong wrote: | | | However, the 2 boxen I'm doing these things on are on our Internet DMZ, | and are in a (cold and noisy) machine room. I'm doing this via telnet | from my desktop: are the console drivers involved? Certainly not. (I assumed you did it on the VGA.) But hell, if you're running this over net, you're implying even more new `variables'. How do they compare when shuffling the stuff to /dev/null, so only input data rate is counting? -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 04:47:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA27210 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 04:47:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA27203; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 04:47:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Jan 1995 19:59:20 PST." <199501080359.TAA21255@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 04:47:22 -0800 Message-ID: <27201.789828442@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What I mean by this is: > > 1) VM86 Bios mode disk driver as the method of installation, and > as a viable alternative for folks waiting for their drive to be > supported. Linux has this. > > 2) Externalizing the probes from all the drivers and doing the > probes (like NT, OS/2, and Windows 96^H5) once you've got the machine > up and can say to the user "Hey, I'm about to look for the hardware > you have installed...if I freeze, this is what you do... you can also > bypass the probe and tell me what you have". > > 3) Take the probe information and configure a kernel appropriately. > > 4) Ask about the type of ethernet device people have (link2 saga). > > 5) Have a shell availible!!! This all sounds great..! So.. Justin! Pal! What are you doing for the next couple of weeks? Nothing? Terrific! There's this install thing that Poul and I would *love* some help on! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 05:15:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA28237 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 05:15:29 -0800 Received: from styx.ibmoto.com (styx.ibmoto.com [129.38.252.14]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA28220; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 05:15:04 -0800 Received: from bartling.ibmoto.com (bartling.ibmoto.com [129.38.33.7]) by styx.ibmoto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA10333; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:14:23 -0600 Received: (bartling@localhost) by bartling.ibmoto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA27892; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:14:24 -0600 Received: from bartling.ibmoto.com (bartling.ibmoto.com [129.38.33.7]) by styx.ibmoto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA04892; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:48:34 -0600 From: Steve Bartling Received: (bartling@localhost) by bartling.ibmoto.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA23001; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:48:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199501110348.VAA23001@bartling.ibmoto.com> Subject: Re: Serial Upgrade Problems ( spontaneous reboots ) To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:48:34 -0600 (CST) Cc: bartling@ibmoto.com In-Reply-To: <9501110039.AA01603@brasil> from "Joe Greco" at Jan 10, 95 06:39:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1316 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got it to work. My problem was simple in hindsight. I had booted DOS first, aborted a lengthy configuration of my sound card, tested the serial ports, then "warm-booted" my machine ( ctrl-alt-del ). I then brought up FreeBSD. By this process, my sound card was partially configured and the software programmable IRQ's ended up conflicting with other cards installed in my system ( including the serial ports ). I can duplicate this behavior at any time. The solutions are simple .. A) Never abort the configuration of my sound card during DOS boot. B) Power down the system before booting unix. C) Boot straight into unix. Options (A) and (C) sound fine with me. Thanks for the feedback. - Steve Bartling > > > So ... I "upgraded" my serial port to a "Enhance" 2S 1P port > > card that has an ASIC on it to provide dual "16550AFN compatibility". > > It uses the StarTek chipset ( ooohhh, a NAME BRAND ! ). > > > > But ... after I slattach, I no longer receive any packets in response > > to bootptest, ping, etc. > > I've a dozen (or more) STB DSP/550 dual serial / parallel cards, all based > on the StarTech part. They've worked flawlessly for ages, under all > versions of FreeBSD... so I don't think it's the StarTech part. Can't > offer any more than that, though. Sorry! > > ... JG > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 05:36:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA28602 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 05:36:54 -0800 Received: from ashe.cs.tcd.ie (ashe.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.32.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA28596 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 05:36:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199501111336.FAA28596@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: from liebfraumilch by ashe.cs.tcd.ie with SMTP (PP) id <17030-0@ashe.cs.tcd.ie>; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:36:02 +0000 X-Sender: detobin@ashe.cs.tcd.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:36:02 +0000 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: donal.tobin@cs.tcd.ie (Donal Tobin) Subject: A question for you. Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jordan and Hackers people, I am trying to install 2.0R on a machine here, however the newfs fails on the disk. This is at the very begining of the install just after the fdisk has been done. Does newfs do a scsi read capasity, or do you know offhand. Can extra otions to newfs be set, or is there some way to drop into a shell. Ctrl-C and ESC-ESC both reboot the machine. Is there a floppy I can build which will give me a shell through which I can do the work manually. I now have a seperate temporary machine on which 2.0R is installed with the srcdist and I can build on that. Thanks for your time and help. I just adore the installation process. NB for a WD8013 the probe incorrectly detects when the IRQ is at 2 and falsely reports that it is at 5, I could have done without having to open up my machine to change jumpers, when I eventually figured it out :->. Donal. PS This is installing on a NCR Raid scsi ID 1, OS/2 boot Manager + Special code to boot from ID 1, other OS's are DOS and OSF/1. o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o | Donal.Tobin@tcd.ie When you get carried away by enthusiasm you | | +353-1-702-1797 may be lucky if you can hitch-hike it back | | Computer Architechture Group Department of Computer Science | | F34 O'Reilly Institute Trinity College Dublin Ireland | o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o=- -=o Click here :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 06:02:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA28945 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:02:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA28938; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:02:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: donal.tobin@cs.tcd.ie (Donal Tobin) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A question for you. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:36:02 GMT." <199501111336.FAA28576@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:02:43 -0800 Message-ID: <28936.789832963@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am trying to install 2.0R on a machine here, however the newfs > fails on the disk. This is at the very begining of the install just after > the fdisk has been done. Does newfs do a scsi read capasity, or do you know How big is the disk? > offhand. Can extra otions to newfs be set, or is there some way to drop > into a shell. Ctrl-C and ESC-ESC both reboot the machine. Is there a floppy > I can build which will give me a shell through which I can do the work At that stage, no. But I could have a prompt for newfs arguments. You wouldn't be the first to need them. > manually. I now have a seperate temporary machine on which 2.0R is > installed with the srcdist and I can build on that. Thanks for your time > and help. I just adore the installation process. NB for a WD8013 the probe > incorrectly detects when the IRQ is at 2 and falsely reports that it is at > 5, I could have done without having to open up my machine to change > jumpers, when I eventually figured it out :->. You didn't read the TROUBLESHOOTING guide and see what to do in case of hardware conflict? The -c flag? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 06:09:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA29106 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:09:14 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA29099 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:09:02 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA25371; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:07:08 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA00559; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:07:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199501111407.GAA00559@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: donal.tobin@cs.tcd.ie (Donal Tobin) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A question for you. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 95 13:36:02 GMT." <199501111336.FAA28596@freefall.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:06:35 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >and help. I just adore the installation process. NB for a WD8013 the probe >incorrectly detects when the IRQ is at 2 and falsely reports that it is at >5, I could have done without having to open up my machine to change >jumpers, when I eventually figured it out :->. This one is my fault; I made the driver a little *too* automatic...it gets the settings out of card's non-volatile memory. Unfortunately, this means that if the user doesn't use the 'soft' settings (but rather configures the hard/ jumpered settings) that the autoconfig code in the driver uses the wrong values (it uses the soft settings). I don't think there is a way around this problem except to remove the feature from the driver. :-( -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 06:45:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA29957 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:45:30 -0800 Received: from ess.harris.com (su15a.ess.harris.com [130.41.1.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA29943 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:45:29 -0800 Received: from suw2k.ess.harris.com by ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA23748; Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:44:45 EST Received: by suw2k.ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29882; Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:42:58 EST Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:42:58 EST From: jleppek@suw2k.ess.harris.com (James Leppek) Message-Id: <9501111442.AA29882@suw2k.ess.harris.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had hoped to release it last weekend but work (you know the income generating kind :-) ) got in the way so I am hoping for this weekend. I have a SBPro and panasonic 2xCD. Jim Leppek > From owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Mon Jan 9 21:26:51 1995 > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:27:48 -0500 > From: ujdd%fang.cs.sunyit.edu@sunyit.edu ( James D. Delude) > X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) > To: scorpion@mammoth.postech.ac.kr (hui_seok heo(92)) > Subject: Re: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD > Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org > Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org > > On Jan 10, 10:02, hui_seok heo(92) wrote: > } Subject: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD > } > } How can i use > } > } CD-ROM device driver for the whole family of IDE-style > } Kotobuki/Matsushita/Panasonic CR-5xx drives for > } SoundBlaster ("Pro" or "16 ASP" or compatible) cards > } > } in FreeBSD. > } > Someone just posted that they got it working (sorta). > Does someone still have his message? > > > > -- > Baseball is a skilled game. It's America's game -- it, and high > taxes. > -- Will Rogers > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 06:45:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA29956 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:45:30 -0800 Received: from glueserv1.umd.edu (glueserv1.umd.edu [129.2.70.69]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA29942; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 06:45:28 -0800 Received: from periodic.eng.umd.edu (periodic.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.127]) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA23199; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:44:04 -0500 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by periodic.eng.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id JAA18128; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:44:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: James Robinson , FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: 2.0 Install comments In-Reply-To: <17194.789798660@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I've just installed 2.0R onto two machines using whatever floppies the sym > > links point to these days. I was amazed -- I couldn't believe the improvement > > in interface that has happened. This is really a great leap forward! > > Thanks! > > > I was installing across the local network, but WITHOUT DNS / nameserver. > > Nowhere did it ask for the IP address of the host machine (i.e. the one with > > the distribution on it). I could escape into the subshell and cat it into > > /etc/hosts, which worked for a while. After it exploded one of the > > Huh? You selected ftp installation, right? And then you went down the > menu to where it said "I want to select my own" for the ftp site, and > you typed in the name or URL of the ftp site using an IP address. Right? > > > Really really slick and relatively painless. Wonderful work (Poul?) ! > > Poul and I, yes. I saw the same thing, maybe I should have spoken up.... ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 07:12:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA00401 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:12:11 -0800 Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA00394 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:12:01 -0800 Received: by plains.NoDak.edu; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:11:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:11:48 -0600 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199501111511.AA08835@plains.NoDak.edu> To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org, paul@isl.cf.ac.uk Subject: Re: Gateway sounds cards Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there anyone who's got the soundcard with the Gateway P5-90 to > work under FreeBSD. I've had no luck yet. It's supposed to be > soundblaster compatible and it's showing up in the probe but I can't > get any sound out of it. > > -- > Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Gateway computers change with the calander. There is at least two P5-90 sound cards. The first P5-90 sound card is called the "Gateway 2000 Sound Card" and appears to be an OEM Sound Galaxy card. I have been able to get the SB base to configure and work, but I cannot get the mixer and midi to configure and work. In the last couple day I have spent some time in the VOX sound drivers (/sys/i386/isa/sound) -- this is DEFINATELY something to CHANGE, AND NOT DOCUMENT (and boy does it currently lack doumentation). There appears to be a special define for mixer configuration/detection of Sound Galaxy cards, but that still does not work. I am afraid this card may use non-stardard ports. In the /sys/i386/conf/XXX add: options EXCLUDE_GUS options EXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT options EXCLUDE_PAS options EXCLUDE_SB_EMULATION options EXCLUDE_PRO_MIDI # Various sound card drivers. # See /sys/doc/sound.doc for more information. device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device snd6 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 5 vector sbintr device snd1 at isa? port 0x388 device snd7 at isa? port 0x534 (as I said above snd6 and snd7 are not detected for me yet). the Sound Galaxy define I found in the sources is __SGNXPRO__. As I said before this define did not help. The other Gateway 2000 sound card is the ENSONIQ card, and that is totally different beast all together. Don't even bother trying with the current drivers. As you can tell I and still active in trying to get the GW2K Sound Card's mixer to work (,help!). Since it has happened twice this week that people asked question to things I have been looking into, does anyone have a Media Vision's Computer Eyes video capture board? (if not do not buy one of these peices of junk). --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 07:36:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA01038 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:36:25 -0800 Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA01031 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 07:36:20 -0800 Received: by plains.NoDak.edu; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:36:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:36:14 -0600 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199501111536.AA12079@plains.NoDak.edu> To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org, paul@isl.cf.ac.uk, tinguely@plains.nodak.edu Subject: Re: Gateway sounds cards Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Since it has happened twice this week that people asked question to things > I have been looking into, does anyone have a Media Vision's Computer Eyes ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ correction, that should read Digital Vision's Computer Eyes ... > video capture board? (if not do not buy one of these peices of junk). > > --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 08:00:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA01734 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:00:35 -0800 Received: from hermes.cybernetics.net (hermes.cybernetics.net [198.80.51.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA01728 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:00:30 -0800 Received: (from james@localhost) by hermes.cybernetics.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA21357 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:10:31 -0500 From: James Robinson Message-Id: <199501111610.LAA21357@hermes.cybernetics.net> Subject: Re: 2.0 Install comments To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:10:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1511 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK -- specifying the IP address would have worked as well (Ah, hindsight), but a comment to that effect (or a way to tailor a mini /etc/hosts) would have been that extra bit of gravy that really made thanksgiving special, you know :-) ? One other thing which may or may not be widespread (but happened on both the machines I was installing on). I could not use a method of network installation that used TCP. I could not do the ftp option (it would not work). I escaped into a subshell and tried to manually ftp as well as just telnet to a site, and things acted really strangely: 1) Connection would be established fine -- it asked for my login name w/o a problem. 2) When it came to the password, the connection just hung. I cranked up TCPdump on a local machine, and it showed that the machine running the 2.0 install was still sending packets, but no replies / acks were being generated. This occurred with all sorts of destination machines -- VMS, OSF, as well as FreeBSD. As fate would have it, it would be the "PASS XXXXX" packet of the ftp session that would get resent over and over. Talk about the need to get cleartext off of the network :-)! This sounds a lot like the problem that the person is having with the DECserver. All I know is that it went away once the installation was completed. The only funny thing here is the lack of DNS. Opinions / explanations? Installation over NFS worked great (I thought, hmmm -- UDP used here, mabye it'll work. Thankfully so!) James From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 08:06:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA01938 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:06:44 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA01932 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:06:42 -0800 Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA17082 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:39:47 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199501111639.IAA17082@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> Subject: Outb, Outsb to 0xfc00?? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:39:47 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 369 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any known problems with doing this? The 294x driver I'm working on is getting stuck just after doing this. The Linux driver seems to have no problem. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 08:34:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA02900 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:34:23 -0800 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (root@faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.2.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA02863 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:33:12 -0800 Received: from faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA13949 (5.65c-6/7.3w-FAU); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:32:58 +0100 Received: by immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de; id AA22575 (5.65c-6/7.3m-FAU); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:32:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199501111632.AA22575@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: Kernel Mailing LIST To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 17:32:54 MET From: "Joerg H. Bischof" Reply-To: Joerg.Bischof@uni-erlangen.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I want to know if there is a mailing list for kernel changings. I fit a ISDN Interface from a BSDi kernel into an FreeBSD2.0 kernel. I'm interessted in minor or major changing of anything what depends on the kernel. Where can I get a mailing list, if there is one. Thanx in advance, I hope it's the right e-mail adresss I'm writing to. Greetings Joerg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 08:56:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA03793 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:56:27 -0800 Received: from paris.eng.utsa.edu (paris.eng.utsa.edu [129.115.20.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA03786 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:56:26 -0800 Received: by paris.eng.utsa.edu (940715.SGI.52/930416.SGI.AUTO) for hackers@freebsd.org id AA09079; Wed, 11 Jan 95 10:56:10 -0600 From: dave@paris.eng.utsa.edu (Dave) Message-Id: <9501111656.AA09079@paris.eng.utsa.edu> Subject: Re: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD To: jleppek@suw2k.ess.harris.com (James Leppek) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 10:56:04 CST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9501111442.AA29882@suw2k.ess.harris.com>; from "James Leppek" at Jan 11, 95 9:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk oops...I just sent a long message about *my* work on an sbpcd driver... Oh well, if yours is already done I would love to see it/debug it... Also if you have any tech info on it would it be possible for you to send me it? Dave Ferovick (dave@paris.utsa.edu) > > I had hoped to release it last weekend but work (you know the > income generating kind :-) ) got in the way so I am > hoping for this weekend. I have a SBPro and panasonic 2xCD. > > Jim Leppek > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Mon Jan 9 21:26:51 1995 > > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:27:48 -0500 > > From: ujdd%fang.cs.sunyit.edu@sunyit.edu ( James D. Delude) > > X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) > > To: scorpion@mammoth.postech.ac.kr (hui_seok heo(92)) > > Subject: Re: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD > > Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org > > Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org > > > > On Jan 10, 10:02, hui_seok heo(92) wrote: > > } Subject: using cdrom (sbpcd) in FreeBSD > > } > > } How can i use > > } > > } CD-ROM device driver for the whole family of IDE-style > > } Kotobuki/Matsushita/Panasonic CR-5xx drives for > > } SoundBlaster ("Pro" or "16 ASP" or compatible) cards > > } > > } in FreeBSD. > > } > > Someone just posted that they got it working (sorta). > > Does someone still have his message? > > > > > > > > -- > > Baseball is a skilled game. It's America's game -- it, and high > > taxes. > > -- Will Rogers > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 09:13:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA05205 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:06 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA04947 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:12:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27382 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:12:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199501111712.TAA27382@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: S/Key - What gives? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:12:28 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi 1) I thought I saw a bug fix for this a week or four ago... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. FreeBSD (grunt.grondar.za) (ttyp2) login: mark s/key 98 243498f554858c28 <--- This is supposed to be like 'gr3465'??? 2) If we are trying (and succeeding) to avoid giving away usernames (like not allowing fingerd the freedom it traditionally has), then maybe we should look at this: a) logging in as a legitimate user with s/key enabled gives the usual login: s/key password: User is in. b) Joe Cracker comes along and wants to see if account "bloggs" exists: login: bloggs password: secret login incorrect. But the absence of the s/key bit already told him he's barking up the wrong tree. Maybe a random number should be thrown in as a confuser? -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 09:33:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA05824 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:33:02 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA05818 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:33:01 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA22967; Wed, 11 Jan 95 10:26:45 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501111726.AA22967@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as an IP Router To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 10:26:45 MST Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501110553.QAA02180@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 11, 95 04:53:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >The speed limit for ISA network interfaces is the ISA bus speed. You > >are actually CPU limited, but because the CPU has to reach out over > >the ISA bus to pull data off the interface, it takes much longer than > >would a memory access to data in system RAM. > > Actually, on my DX2/66 with a WD8013EBT (16 bit shared memory), the ISA > overhead for a single interface running `ttcp -t' at full speed is about > 35% while the general system overhead is also about 35%. On slower > systems, the ISA overhead is almost the same while the general system > overhead increases. The system doesn't have to get much slower before > it cannot saturate the ethernet. My DX33 with a WD8013EBT can barely > saturate the ethernet, but when the card is in NE2000 (PIO) mode, it > cannot. I have to agree; the limiting factor is the transport bandwidth, since it is less than the bus bandwidth. I can prove this by running a Novell NetWare sever on a split vs. a single net (2 cards vs. 1) with 125 clients on either net -- and have done so in Novell's SuperLab. Whether the drivers are too compute intensive to make this work well is another question (the FreeBSD drivers are not, the UnixWare drivers are borderline above the 250 client range due to [unidentified] propagation latencies in the Streams implementation). By the way, judging Streams by USL's implementation is equivalent to judging rock music by Primus. 8^). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 10:04:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA06247 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:04:25 -0800 Received: from inetgwy.asctmd.com (inetgwy.asctmd.com [198.59.170.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA06241 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:04:22 -0800 From: supervisor@alb.asctmd.com Received: from alb.asctmd.com (alb.asctmd.com [198.59.170.34]) by inetgwy.asctmd.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA26645 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:07:08 -0700 Received: from ALBUQUERQUE-Message_Server by alb.asctmd.com with WordPerfect_Office; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:04:59 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:00:20 -0700 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: sys/netipx Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am working on a hacked version of the netns code in order to conform more to IPX (ethernet frame type 8137). I am interested in being able to support IPX and SPX connections using the BSD sockets interface. THESE CHANGES ARE NOT YET COMPLETE... What is an appropriate method to make these changes available for inclusion into the FreeBSD source tree? Thank you for any information you may be able to provide. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 10:05:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA06265 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:05:04 -0800 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA06259 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:05:02 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id TAA01845 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:04:58 +0100 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA01305 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:52:56 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199501111752.SAA01305@knobel.gun.de> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:52:55 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199501101501.QAA07760@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jan 10, 95 04:01:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 914 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong wrote: > | > | Can someone running 1.x and 2.0 on almost similar h/w take a moment > | and try these, please? > > My (and e.g. also Andreas Klemm's) opinion is just the opposite. > Especially the X server performance improved from 1.1.5 to 2.0. I've > run xbench against both systems, but the server even ``feels'' much > faster than the numbers are actually showing (though there's also a > performance gain). Yes, Joerg ... if he had read the numbers I mailed into the current mailinglist some weeks ago, then he'd have the (other) facts ... My comment: "Check cables and connectors" ;-) -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - akl@wup.de - *** apsfilter - irgendwie clever *** ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/Linux/local/packs/APSfilter/aps-481.tgz From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 10:05:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA06278 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:05:43 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06272 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:05:41 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA08863 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:57:19 +0300 Received: by elvisti.kiev.ua (uumail/ache) id AA05644; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:43:15 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA28841; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:33:20 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA29660; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:33:19 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199501111633.SAA29660@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Localization stuff? To: ache%astral.msk.su@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:33:18 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-hackers%freebsd.org@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Jan 11, 95 03:48:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1267 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello ache, after seeing your message about FreeBSD localization issues, we here (me and my collegue Alex Tatmanjants ) decided to make an attempt of adding at least LC_COLLATE localization part to the current code. We are planning: 1. Obtaining the localization stuff from the latest FreeBSD-2 snapshot; 2. Making it to work under our 1.1.5 systems (hove it will do out of the box); 3. Adding the LC_COLLATE functionality to the code; 4. Submitting the results to the main source tree. We need the guidelines of someone from FreeBSD team for doing this. The questions are: What kind of functionality should be implemented with respect to *BSD traditions and spirit? I mean exactly the following: -- should it be the reimplementation of SunOS-4 locale? -- or straightforvard port of Linux stuff (c) Saukh? -- or maybe BSDi folks are going to provide an implementation in their new release and though it will be wise to stay compatible with them? -- or what will you suggest? We need a short pointer to the tools which are (or must be?) used for playing with locale descriptions (what are they? there aren't any in 1.1.5). -- With best wishes -- Andrew Stesin, Elvisti.Kiev.UA sysadmin. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 10:45:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA07926 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:45:50 -0800 Received: from sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu (sun-lamp.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.138.88]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA07920 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:45:49 -0800 Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02439; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:42:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199501111842.KAA02439@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu: Host LOCALHOST didn't use HELO protocol To: supervisor@alb.asctmd.com cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sys/netipx In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:00:20 MST." Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:42:46 -0800 From: Adam Glass Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am working on a hacked version of the netns code in order to conform > more to IPX (ethernet frame type 8137). I am interested in being able to > support IPX and SPX connections using the BSD sockets interface. > THESE CHANGES ARE NOT YET COMPLETE... > > What is an appropriate method to make these changes available for > inclusion into the FreeBSD source tree? > > Thank you for any information you may be able to provide. > > We're (NetBSD) also interested in seeing your work on this particular project. diffs work great for us. later, Adam Glass NetBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 11:06:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA08485 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:06:41 -0800 Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at [146.112.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA08476 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:06:30 -0800 Received: from atusc46.aut.alcatel.at by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA01649; Wed, 11 Jan 95 20:04:21 +0100 From: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at (Marino Ladavac) Message-Id: <9501111904.AA01649@aut.alcatel.at> Subject: Re: ISDN Interface (was: Kernel Mailing LIST) To: Joerg.Bischof@uni-erlangen.de Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:04:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501111632.AA22575@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> from "Joerg H. Bischof" at Jan 11, 95 05:32:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 318 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I fit a ISDN Interface from a BSDi kernel into an FreeBSD2.0 > kernel. I'm interessted in minor or major changing of anything > what depends on the kernel. > Swell :) MInd if I ask, what kind of an interface? Does it perhaps include a driver for some ISDN card, and does it support OSI protocol stack? /Alby From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 11:09:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA08512 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:09:17 -0800 Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at [146.112.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA08502 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:09:07 -0800 Received: from atusc46.aut.alcatel.at by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA01667; Wed, 11 Jan 95 20:07:42 +0100 From: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at (Marino Ladavac) Message-Id: <9501111907.AA01667@aut.alcatel.at> Subject: Leap seconds To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:07:40 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 240 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, this might be inapropriate, but nobody else I asked seemed to know: what are the leap seconds, and what happens with them? Most importantly, if a leap second occurs, does the tv_secs get incremented or not? Thanks. /Alby From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 11:11:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA08559 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:11:59 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA08553 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:11:58 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA15127; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:11:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:11:43 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501111911.AA15127@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: supervisor@alb.asctmd.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: sys/netipx In-Reply-To: References: Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < What is an appropriate method to make these changes available for > inclusion into the FreeBSD source tree? Make them available via FTP, and agree to answer all questions about them... -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 11:46:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA09315 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:46:06 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA09309 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:46:03 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA00586 (5.65.kiae-2 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:44:47 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA00883; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:39:30 +0300 To: "Andrew V. Stesin" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <199501111633.SAA29660@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <199501111633.SAA29660@office.elvisti.kiev.ua>; from "Andrew V. Stesin" at Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:33:18 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:39:29 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Localization stuff? Lines: 60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2480 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501111633.SAA29660@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Andrew V. Stesin writes: >after seeing your message about FreeBSD localization issues, >we here (me and my collegue Alex Tatmanjants ) >decided to make an attempt of adding at least LC_COLLATE localization >part to the current code. It will be nice to implement whole family too at least for 8bit subset. >We are planning: >1. Obtaining the localization stuff from the latest FreeBSD-2 snapshot; >2. Making it to work under our 1.1.5 systems (hove it will do > out of the box); >3. Adding the LC_COLLATE functionality to the code; >4. Submitting the results to the main source tree. Better send results to me first for review, than I'll commit them to source tree. >We need the guidelines of someone from FreeBSD team for >doing this. The questions are: > What kind of functionality should be implemented > with respect to *BSD traditions and spirit? > I mean exactly the following: > -- should it be the reimplementation of SunOS-4 locale? > -- or straightforvard port of Linux stuff (c) Saukh? > -- or maybe BSDi folks are going to provide an implementation > in their new release and though it will be wise to > stay compatible with them? > -- or what will you suggest? Current LC_CTYPE locale is slightly rewritten (optimized for space, better ctype handling for signed 8bit chars) BSD 4.4Lite locale and based on Runes UTF coding. I am not shure, but seems that Linux and SunOS locales not support Runes, so it maybe good idea to write LC_COLLATE for 8bit subset only as first step, if it will be hard to make it for Runes encoding. In any case whole current scheme should be preserved. I think original BSD locale author not bothering to implement whole locale family, but maybe I am wrong. As external and user interface we should follow POSIX locale description, if it isn't conflict with current scheme. >We need a short pointer to the tools which are (or must be?) >used for playing with locale descriptions (what are they? there >aren't any in 1.1.5). Check mklocale code, there is locale data files too (currently koi8-r, iso8859-1 and Japan) -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 11:53:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA09440 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:53:33 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA09420; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:52:50 -0800 Received: from Gena.NetVision.net.il (ts2p14.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.134]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA07726; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:52:29 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 20:49:08 PST From: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" Subject: xmcd-1.3 port to FreeBSD To: ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I uploaded xmcd-1.3.tar.gz to freebsd.cdrom.com /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O Gennady Sorokopud O O O O E-Mail: gena@netvision.net.il O O O O http: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena/ O O Tel: home: 972-4-835-227 Address: Sharet st. 21/7 O O K. Tivon , Israel O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi43i2YAAAECANV6d3p8bQLR6Hr2tyd9f4FEUakUIbF0YOtsiil3hR/ebGRe y4EC2Y45ZS7VPiP8Pp8zyAinWEtJ/tBKBYoHdPEABRG0LEdlbm5hZHkgQi4gU29y b2tvcHVkIDxnZW5hQG5ldHZpc2lvbi5uZXQuaWw+ =bvR+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 11:55:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA09479 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:55:59 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA09473 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:55:58 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA15238; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:55:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:55:38 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501111955.AA15238@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at (Marino Ladavac) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Leap seconds In-Reply-To: <9501111907.AA01667@aut.alcatel.at> References: <9501111907.AA01667@aut.alcatel.at> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < what are the leap seconds, and what happens with them? > Most importantly, if a leap second occurs, does the > tv_secs get incremented or not? That depends on whether you are running NTP or not. See the code in kern_clock.c which implements the NTP PLL for how NTP handles it. In the absence of a synchronization protocol like NTP which can notify the kernel of upcoming leap second insertions or deletions, there is nothing that an be done automatically. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 12:48:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA10306 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:48:07 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA10300 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:48:05 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24155; Wed, 11 Jan 95 13:40:52 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501112040.AA24155@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: A question for you. To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 13:40:52 MST Cc: donal.tobin@cs.tcd.ie, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501111407.GAA00559@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Jan 11, 95 06:06:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This one is my fault; I made the driver a little *too* automatic...it gets > the settings out of card's non-volatile memory. Unfortunately, this means that > if the user doesn't use the 'soft' settings (but rather configures the hard/ > jumpered settings) that the autoconfig code in the driver uses the wrong values > (it uses the soft settings). I don't think there is a way around this problem > except to remove the feature from the driver. :-( Well, there is *a* way around it anyway, or the ezsetup.exe program would not be able to report the information. Rather than ripping the code out, it should probably be added to. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 13:06:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA10575 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:06:15 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10565 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:06:03 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA21000 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:35:03 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA01816; 11 Jan 95 13:21:05 CST (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA01813; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:21:05 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199501111921.NAA01813@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: S/Key - What gives? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:21:05 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501111712.TAA27382@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Jan 11, 95 07:12:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 221 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But the absence of the s/key bit already told him he's barking up the > wrong tree. Maybe a random number should be thrown in as a confuser? Yeh, the TIC toolkit generates a bogus challenge string for this case. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 13:08:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA10645 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:08:03 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10638 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:08:00 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24285; Wed, 11 Jan 95 14:02:07 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501112102.AA24285@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: sys/netipx To: supervisor@alb.asctmd.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 14:02:06 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "supervisor@alb.asctmd.com" at Jan 11, 95 11:00:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am working on a hacked version of the netns code in order to conform > more to IPX (ethernet frame type 8137). I am interested in being able to > support IPX and SPX connections using the BSD sockets interface. > THESE CHANGES ARE NOT YET COMPLETE... > > What is an appropriate method to make these changes available for > inclusion into the FreeBSD source tree? Maybe now would be a good time to generalize the protocol family registration mechanism and provide a function interface to do it, as well as getting rid of the #undef UNIX and the word 'UNIX' in referring to socket domains? It would be natural to use an LKM to load a protocol family. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 13:11:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA10711 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:11:17 -0800 Received: from sneezy.sri.com (sneezy.sri.com [128.18.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA10697; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:11:12 -0800 Received: from rocky.MT.net.mt.net (sri.MT.net) by sneezy.sri.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14081; Tue, 11 Jan 94 11:11:32 PST Received: by rocky.MT.net.mt.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09988; Wed, 11 Jan 95 14:12:29 MST Message-Id: <9501112112.AA09988@rocky.MT.net.mt.net> From: nate@rocky.sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:12:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-admin@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Email address change for Nate Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm now starting to settle down into my new job, so it's probably safe to change my address in anyone's address list from 'nate@bsd.coe.montan.edu' -> 'nate@sneezy.sri.com'. Also, my email address on freefall will also point to the most current version, so you can use 'nate@FreeBSD.org' as well. Thanks, and let's hope things settle quickly so that I can get back into the swing of things, Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 14:01:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA11866 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:01:24 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA11860; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:01:21 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA15630; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:01:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:01:10 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501112201.AA15630@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: FreeBSD Core Team Mailing List Cc: FreeBSD mailing-list Reply-To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu Subject: Kerberos changes - comment please Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I plan to make the following changes in FreeBSD's Kerberos code before 2.1 release time rolls around. I would like to invite public comment before actually making these changes. 1) Removal of src/kerberosIV. Reasoning: this code is duplicated by the slightly more up-to-date and compilable code in src/eBones, and unlike the eBones code, does not exist in a legally-created form outside the US. 2) Moving src/eBones/compile_et to src/usr.bin and adding libcom_err. Reasoning: it's a general-purpose library that might be used by a number of different programs, so might as well make it available globally. Other MIT ex-Athena programs make use of it as well. If someone wants to contribute a pmake'able `ss' and `libss', I'll consider those as well. I am not interested in suggestions to upgrade to Kerberos V or CNS Kerberos; at this point in time, neither of those systems exist in legally-exported non-COCOM form, and I'm not going to screw over the non-US users. (I would welcome anyone who wants to make a `port' out of these programs, although they obviously could not be built automatically.) Replies directly to me, please. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 14:03:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA11889 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:03:20 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA11883 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:03:19 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA15642; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:03:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:03:08 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501112203.AA15642@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sys/netipx In-Reply-To: <9501112102.AA24285@cs.weber.edu> References: <9501112102.AA24285@cs.weber.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < well as getting rid of the #undef UNIX and the word 'UNIX' in referring > to socket domains? This is not an option, for compatibility with existing source code. If you had actually /looked/ at the code, you would have seen: #define AF_LOCAL 1 /* local to host (pipes, portals) */ #define AF_UNIX AF_LOCAL /* backward compatibility */ -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 14:03:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA11899 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:03:30 -0800 Received: from sneezy.sri.com (sneezy.sri.com [128.18.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA11891; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:03:25 -0800 Received: from rocky.MT.net.mt.net (sri.MT.net) by sneezy.sri.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15451; Wed, 11 Jan 95 14:03:12 PST Received: by rocky.MT.net.mt.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10297; Wed, 11 Jan 95 15:04:33 MST Message-Id: <9501112204.AA10297@rocky.MT.net.mt.net> From: Nate Williams Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:04:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Nate Williams" "Email address change for Nate" (Jan 11, 2:12pm) Reply-To: Nate Williams X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-admin@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Email address change for Nate Cc: nate@sneezy.sri.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ address change ] Sorry about that folks, the mail system is setup a bit weird here, so I should have the reply-to and From address fixed in my email now so you *should* be able to reply-to my email safely from now on. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 14:24:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12298 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:24:48 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA12292 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:24:45 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA26308 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:25:34 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16717; Wed, 11 Jan 95 23:25:40 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501112225.AA16717@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Meaning of maxfiles To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:25:39 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 3915 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has the meaning of maxfiles been changed somewhere ? Before the great VM/buffer merge (which works great down here with today's patch fo vfs_bio), my system-wide max # of open files was about 680 or 700 (pstat -T). Now it seems that the max # of open files PER process has become thet system-wide limit... 223/256 files 677 vnodes 17M/64M swap space and 256 files are very easy to have system-wide opened... Jan 11 23:10:42 keltia /kernel: file: table is full config file follows, I added options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=128" When I ran out of processes... a while ago (duriing my 1.1.5 to 2.1 change). Is there something I've overlooked ? Before the VM change it was running without that problem... maxfiles is hard-wired as 256 in param.c which is very reasonnable of a per-process limit but not as a system-wide limit. David, John ? # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.11 1994/11/08 07:39:26 jkh Exp $ # machine "i386" cpu "I486_CPU" ident "NKELTIA" maxusers 16 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options MFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options PROCFS #Proc filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options UCONSOLE #X Console support options "NCONS=4" #4 virtual consoles options "SCSI_2_DEF" #hack for the mp1624 # Experimental options options "AUTO_EOI_1" options "AUTO_EOI_2" options DUMMY_NOPS options DISKSLICE # disk slices by bde options TEST_LABELLING # options SYSVSHM #options SYSVSEM #options SYSVMSG options "SHMMAXPGS=64" # 256Kb of sharable memory options GATEWAY options DODUMP #We dump core-image on panic options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=128" options KTRACE options "EXCLUDE_GUS" options "EXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT" options "EXCLUDE_GUSMAX" options "EXCLUDE_GUS16" options "EXCLUDE_MSS" options "EXCLUDE_PSS" options "EXCLUDE_PAS" options "EXCLUDE_PRO_MIDI" config kernel root on sd0 swap on sd0 and sd1 dumps on sd0 controller isa0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr controller scbus0 device sd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows device st0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr #device sio2 at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr #device sio3 at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xcc000 vector edintr #device ed1 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 3 vector sbintr device snd1 at isa? port 0x388 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device pty 24 pseudo-device speaker pseudo-device vn #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device disc #Discard device -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 14:29:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12401 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:29:25 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA12393 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:29:21 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA05256 (5.65.kiae-2 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:23:44 +0300 Received: by elvisti.kiev.ua (uumail/ache) id AA12738; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:43:22 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA01098; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:40:49 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA01675; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:40:45 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Localization stuff? To: ache%astral.msk.su@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:40:44 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-hackers%freebsd.org@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Jan 11, 95 10:39:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1718 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, :) It will be nice to implement whole family too at least for 8bit subset. :) Course, but we'll see how it will go :) :) >4. Submitting the results to the main source tree. :) :) Better send results to me first for review, than I'll :) commit them to source tree. :) No problem. :) Current LC_CTYPE locale is slightly rewritten (optimized for space, :) better ctype handling for signed 8bit chars) :) BSD 4.4Lite locale and based on Runes UTF coding. Any pointer to ftp'able Runes UTF coding doco? Samples? :) I am not shure, but seems that Linux and SunOS locales :) not support Runes, so it maybe good idea to write LC_COLLATE Not sure about SunOS (I'll check more), but Linux certainly hasn't. :) for 8bit subset only as first step, if it will be hard to make it :) for Runes encoding. That's what I told from the very beginning -- 8-bit LC_COLLATE as a minimal goal, then we'll see how difficult it will be to do more or better job. :) In any case whole current scheme should be preserved. Agreed. :) I think original BSD locale author not bothering :) to implement whole locale family, but maybe I am wrong. Who is he? Comments in the code refers to "Paul Borman at Krystal Technologies", but no e-mail address hints. :) As external and user interface we should follow POSIX locale :) description, if it isn't conflict with current scheme. :) Are the present manpages for setlocale(), strcoll() and friends good enough? Or there is some explicit description of POSIX requirements somewhere? :) Check mklocale code, there is locale data files too (currently koi8-r, :) iso8859-1 and Japan) :) Taken. -- With best wishes -- Andrew Stesin, Elvisti.Kiev.UA sysadmin. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 14:58:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12787 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:58:34 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA12780 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:58:29 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA07117 (5.65.kiae-2 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:55:32 +0300 Received: by elvisti.kiev.ua (uumail/ache) id AA00706; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:22:37 +0200 Received: from cs.weber.edu by sequent.kiae.su with SMTP id AA16089 (5.65.kiae-2 for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:53:01 +0300 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24179; Wed, 11 Jan 95 13:46:43 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501112046.AA24179@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Localization stuff? To: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 13:46:42 MST Cc: ache%astral.msk.su@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua, freebsd-hackers%freebsd.org@xenix.elvisti.kiev.ua In-Reply-To: <199501111633.SAA29660@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> from "Andrew V. Stesin" at Jan 11, 95 06:33:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We need the guidelines of someone from FreeBSD team for > doing this. The questions are: > > What kind of functionality should be implemented > with respect to *BSD traditions and spirit? > > I mean exactly the following: > -- should it be the reimplementation of SunOS-4 locale? I believe the Sun code is available as part of the las XView release. If you wanted to, you could simply use it. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 15:03:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA12868 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:03:07 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12861 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:03:05 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id AAA26509 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:03:23 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16831; Thu, 12 Jan 95 00:03:29 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501112303.AA16831@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: maxfiles again To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:03:29 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1434 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've found that the patch to param.c (shown below) has changed the way maxfiles is computed... And it is now set at 256 :-((( Why the changes ?? RCS file: /spare/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/conf/param.c,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5 --- 1.4 1994/09/13 14:46:24 +++ 1.5 1995/01/09 16:04:20 @@ -36,7 +36,7 @@ * SUCH DAMAGE. * * @(#)param.c 8.2 (Berkeley) 1/21/94 - * $Id: param.c,v 1.4 1994/09/13 14:46:24 dfr Exp $ + * $Id: param.c,v 1.5 1995/01/09 16:04:20 davidg Exp $ */ #include @@ -81,14 +81,9 @@ int tickadj = 30000 / (60 * HZ); /* can adjust 30ms in 60s */ struct timezone tz = { TIMEZONE, DST }; #define NPROC (20 + 16 * MAXUSERS) -int maxproc = NPROC; -#define NTEXT NPROC -int vm_cache_max = NTEXT/2 + 16; -#define NVNODE (NPROC + NTEXT + 100) -int desiredvnodes = NVNODE; -int maxfiles = 3 * (NPROC + MAXUSERS) + 80; -int ncallout = 16 + NPROC; -int nclist = 60 + 12 * MAXUSERS; +int maxproc = NPROC; /* maximum # of processes */ +int maxfiles = 256; /* open files per process limit */ +int ncallout = 16 + NPROC; /* maximum # of timer events */ int nmbclusters = NMBCLUSTERS; -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 15:12:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13031 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:12:47 -0800 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13023; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:12:36 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA01667; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:12:17 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199501112312.XAA01667@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:12:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <27201.789828442@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 11, 95 04:47:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1384 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who said > > > What I mean by this is: > > > > 1) VM86 Bios mode disk driver as the method of installation, and > > as a viable alternative for folks waiting for their drive to be > > supported. Linux has this. Well I think we need a vm86 call first and no-ones bothered to write one yet and we really could do with one actually. > > 4) Ask about the type of ethernet device people have (link2 saga). I've got code that does this that uses Garretts device info. I'll pull it into sysinstall sometime soon. It's got buried in all the last minute hacking that took place and I'll have to go and dig it out of the revision history. > This all sounds great..! So.. Justin! Pal! What are you doing for > the next couple of weeks? Nothing? Terrific! There's this install > thing that Poul and I would *love* some help on! :-) Umm, I still consider myself involved in sysinstall. I'm a little peeved that I've been edged out actually since I did the original proof of concept of a dialog based single floppy installation and had and still do have every intention of continuing work on the project. -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Phone: +44 1222 874000 x5958 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 15:33:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13535 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:33:21 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13528 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:33:14 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA23191; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:29:21 +1100 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:29:21 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501112329.KAA23191@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr Subject: Re: Meaning of maxfiles Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Has the meaning of maxfiles been changed somewhere ? I think so. It used to mean the system-wide limit, and still does in falloc() (grep for ENFILE). It is also used as a per-process limit grep for maxfiles and for RLIMIT_NOFILE) but I think this is just a quick fix for the per-process array of open files becoming too large. The vm changes apparently changed the meaning of maxfiles without changing its name (it should be renamed to something like maxfdesc) and missed the nfiles check in falloc()). Perhaps the nfiles check can just be deleted. If there has to be a system-wide limit, then the desiredvnodes limit in getnewvnode() should do. (desiredvnodes and nbuf seem to be too-small limits - 10 and 41 times smaller than I wanted and used for 1.1.5.) >config file follows, I added >options "CHILD_MAX=128" >options "OPEN_MAX=128" >When I ran out of processes... a while ago (duriing my 1.1.5 to 2.1 >change). Don't do this. OPEN_MAX should only be defined if the per-process limit is fixed. It is abused in the kernel to specify the current per-process limit. Libraries and user programs aren't compiled with option OPEN_MAX=128, so they see the bogus fixed OPEN_MAX of 64 instead of the bogus fixed OPEN_MAX of 128. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 15:34:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13563 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:34:42 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13557 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:34:40 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id AAA26743 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:35:30 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16974; Thu, 12 Jan 95 00:35:36 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501112335.AA16974@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Freefall, sendmail, smail... To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:35:35 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 537 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Something interesting on freefall : mailq now points to smail and not to sendmail. I was surprised to see nothing when I typed mailq so I went to look : 206 [15:30] roberto@freefall:~> mailq 207 [15:31] roberto@freefall:~> ll `which mailq` lrwxrwxr-x 1 bin wheel 5 Jan 11 08:53 /usr/local/bin/mailq@ -> smail 208 [15:31] roberto@freefall:~> Someone tested the smail package or such ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 15:38:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13603 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:38:13 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13596 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:38:11 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id AAA26767 ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:39:02 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16993; Thu, 12 Jan 95 00:39:08 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501112339.AA16993@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Meaning of maxfiles To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:39:07 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501112329.KAA23191@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 12, 95 10:29:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 828 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > the desiredvnodes limit in getnewvnode() should do. (desiredvnodes > and nbuf seem to be too-small limits - 10 and 41 times smaller than > I wanted and used for 1.1.5.) So how not to run out of open files ? 256 is far too low a limit for me. > Don't do this. OPEN_MAX should only be defined if the per-process > limit is fixed. It is abused in the kernel to specify the current > per-process limit. Libraries and user programs aren't compiled with > option OPEN_MAX=128, so they see the bogus fixed OPEN_MAX of 64 > instead of the bogus fixed OPEN_MAX of 128. At the time it fixed my too much processes problem. I'm currently recompiling without OPEN_MAX and CHILD_MAX. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:05:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14005 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:05:31 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA13999 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:05:30 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24951; Wed, 11 Jan 95 16:59:41 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501112359.AA24951@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: sys/netipx To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 16:59:39 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9501112203.AA15642@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Jan 11, 95 05:03:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > well as getting rid of the #undef UNIX and the word 'UNIX' in referring > > to socket domains? > > This is not an option, for compatibility with existing source code. > If you had actually /looked/ at the code, you would have seen: > > #define AF_LOCAL 1 /* local to host (pipes, portals) */ > #define AF_UNIX AF_LOCAL /* backward compatibility */ I was referring to the 'UNIX' manifest constant that is #undef'ed in the address family registration code -- like in 'options XNS' defines a manifest constant XNS that's used in the same code (just below the instance I'm referring to). I'll search up the actual code reference if you think you need it. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:14:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14081 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:14:16 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA14075 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:14:13 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA11127 (5.65.kiae-2 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:02:37 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id CAA00432; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:56:15 +0300 To: "Andrew V. Stesin" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua>; from "Andrew V. Stesin" at Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:40:44 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:56:14 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Localization stuff? Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1144 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Andrew V. Stesin writes: > Any pointer to ftp'able Runes UTF coding doco? Samples? I beleive that Runes comes from Plan9. Lower values corresponds ASCII, upper is multibyte chars, don't know more about it. >:) As external and user interface we should follow POSIX locale >:) description, if it isn't conflict with current scheme. >:) > Are the present manpages for setlocale(), strcoll() > and friends good enough? Or there is some explicit > description of POSIX requirements somewhere? Format described somewhere in POSIX P1003.1 or something like, I don't have POSIX docs available right now. >:) Check mklocale code, there is locale data files too (currently koi8-r, >:) iso8859-1 and Japan) >:) > Taken. Look also at crt0.c, there is most interesting hook for 8bit charsets. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:23:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14238 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:23:20 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14230 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:23:14 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA23982; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:19:17 +1100 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:19:17 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501120019.LAA23982@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr Subject: Re: Meaning of maxfiles Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >So how not to run out of open files ? 256 is far too low a limit for >me. For now, just increase it in param.c. This will also allow processes to increase their current rlimit for the number of open files to too large a value, but most processes don't increase it so there are unlikely to be problems. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:25:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14318 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:25:54 -0800 Received: from titan.np.ac.sg (lsys@titan.np.ac.sg [153.20.24.72]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA14312 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:25:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199501120025.QAA14312@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Filesystem(?) preformance - 1.x and 2.0 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:23:40 +0800 (SST) From: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, lsys@np.ac.sg (SysAdmin) In-Reply-To: <199501110830.JAA11815@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jan 11, 95 09:30:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2388 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J"org wrote: > Certainly not. (I assumed you did it on the VGA.) But hell, if > you're running this over net, you're implying even more new > `variables'. How do they compare when shuffling the stuff to > /dev/null, so only input data rate is counting? For good measure, here's another `time cat /etc/sendmail.cf': == 2.0 == 0.72 real 0.01 user 0.31 sys == 1.x == 0.17 real 0.01 user 0.10 sys Here's `time cat /usr/share/calendar/*': == 2.0 == 2.44 real 0.00 user 0.92 sys == 1.x == 2.06 real 0.00 user 0.24 sys Here's `time cat web2'. (`web2' being 1.x's /usr/share/dict/web2.) My desktop is a Linux box running XFree 2.0 or 2.1. I have 5 windows on my desktop now. This one was done "hands off", only the particular telnet window doing the `cat' had any activity. == 2.0 == 150.19 real 0.00 user 46.45 sys == 1.x == 0.0u 11.2s 2:26.40 7.6% 36+148k 297+0io 0pf+0w Here's `time cat /etc/sendmail.cf > /dev/null': == 2.0 == 0.09 real 0.00 user 0.06 sys == 1.x == 0.03 real 0.00 user 0.03 sys Here's `time cat /usr/share/calendar/* > /dev/null': == 2.0 == 0.12 real 0.01 user 0.12 sys == 1.x == 0.05 real 0.01 user 0.03 sys Here's `time cat web2 > /dev/null': == 2.0 == 3.63 real 0.00 user 0.67 sys == 1.x == 0.0u 0.3s 0:00.31 106.4% 44+163k 0+1io 0pf+0w Just for kicks, I did some of the above on the consoles. As noted by J"org, 1.x runs pccons, 2.0 syscons. Here's `time cat /etc/sendmail.cf': == 2.0 == 2.41 real 0.00 user 2.40 sys == 1.x == 2.01 real 0.00 user 1.92 sys Here's `time cat /etc/sendmail.cf > /dev/null': == 2.0 == 0.08 real 0.00 user 0.10 sys == 1.x == 0.03 real 0.00 user 0.03 sys Here's `time cat web2': == 2.0 == 751.63 real 0.00 user 739.80 sys == 1.x == 650.10 real 0.00 user 649.73 sys Here's `time cat web2 > /dev/null': == 2.0 == 3.66 real 0.00 user 0.73 sys == 1.x == 0.34 real 0.00 user 0.33 sys I hope these figures tell somebody something. If anyone can suggest anything to try next, I'll be glad to do it. Cheers. - PS -- Ng Pheng Siong * lsys@np.ac.sg * ngps@np.ac.sg Computer Centre, Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:36:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14435 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:36:36 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA14429 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:36:34 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA25089; Wed, 11 Jan 95 17:30:29 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501120030.AA25089@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Localization stuff? To: ache@astral.msk.su (Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 17:30:28 MST Cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Jan 12, 95 02:56:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In message <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Andrew V. > Stesin writes: > > > Any pointer to ftp'able Runes UTF coding doco? Samples? > > I beleive that Runes comes from Plan9. Lower values corresponds > ASCII, upper is multibyte chars, don't know more about it. Check out the standards FAQ on news:comp.std.internat or on ftp://rtfm.mit.edu. Also research.att.com and taligent both have code implementations. I personally am not a big fan of runic encoding. You shouldn't be either, unless you use nothing but US ASCII *or* don't care that your file size is unrelated to the number of characters actually in a text file. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:52:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14687 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:52:37 -0800 Received: from dataplex.net (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14680 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:52:28 -0800 Received: from [199.183.109.242] by dataplex.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:51:41 -0600 X-Sender: wacky@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:51:42 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: awk broken in today's sup of -current Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As part of make world, I now encounter the following error. cc -O2 -I/pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/gnu/usr.bin/awk -DGAWK -c dfa.c dfa.c: In function `lex': dfa.c:463: `RE_NO_GNU_OPS' undeclared (first use this function) dfa.c:463: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once dfa.c:463: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 16:54:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14779 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:54:04 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14771 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:54:02 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id BAA27108 ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:54:50 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17547; Thu, 12 Jan 95 01:54:56 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501120054.AA17547@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Meaning of maxfiles To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:54:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501120019.LAA23982@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 12, 95 11:19:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 462 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For now, just increase it in param.c. This will also allow processes > to increase their current rlimit for the number of open files to too > large a value, but most processes don't increase it so there are > unlikely to be problems. That's what I did but it's pretty ugly... I don't think it's the right fix. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 17:12:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA15538 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:12:57 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15482; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:11:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14497; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:11:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: nate@rocky.sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) cc: current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-admin@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Email address change for Nate In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 95 14:12:29 MST." <9501112112.AA09988@rocky.MT.net.mt.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:11:28 -0800 Message-ID: <14496.789873088@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Best wishes in your new job, Nate! I wish you every success. Jordan > I'm now starting to settle down into my new job, so it's probably safe > to change my address in anyone's address list from > 'nate@bsd.coe.montan.edu' -> 'nate@sneezy.sri.com'. Also, my email > address on freefall will also point to the most current version, so you > can use 'nate@FreeBSD.org' as well. > > Thanks, and let's hope things settle quickly so that I can get back into > the swing of things, > > > Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 17:54:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA16525 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:54:22 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA16519; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:54:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14675; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:53:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Paul Richards cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Graphical installations and such In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 95 23:12:17 GMT." <199501112312.XAA01667@isl.cf.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:53:55 -0800 Message-ID: <14674.789875635@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Umm, I still consider myself involved in sysinstall. I'm a little > peeved that I've been edged out actually since I did the original > proof of concept of a dialog based single floppy installation and > had and still do have every intention of continuing work on the > project. Well sorry, we didn't mean to edge you out, it's just that last time we went through a group install hack what happened was a nightmare, and we never quite got from you what was needed. This has made Poul and I very unwilling to make assumptions about what you are or aren't going to do for the 2.1 install. If you really do have a bunch of things in mind and a SCHEDULE for getting them in that you'll do your absolute best to stick to, then I'm overjoyed. If you don't have the time available, however, or don't know exactly what needs to be done, then PLEASE don't commit yourself and leave us hanging at the last minute! :-( Better to be honest at the outset and say that no, you can't or won't do it. We won't be offended, trust me! Now, all that negative stuff aside, if you're really interested in getting back in the thick of sysinstall for 2.1, then we MUST plan what it's going to look like before you go off into some corner and start hacking furiously. We need to have a very clear picture of EVERY screen and EVERY option on it, and how they all relate in the global flow of the installation. What we had for 2.0 was a miserable hack that didn't know if it was coming or going sometimes, and this was through lack of advance planning and some *group concensus* before we all started coding it. Can we not repeat this mistake for 2.1? Please?? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 18:01:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA16722 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:01:29 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA16712 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:01:26 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA24435 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:43:50 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA12022; 11 Jan 95 19:42:51 CST (Wed) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA12019; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:42:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199501120142.TAA12019@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" Cc: "Andrew V. Stesin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Localization stuff? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 02:56:14 +0300." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:42:43 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There's scads of Runes docco at research.att.com. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 11 18:02:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA16768 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:02:10 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA16762 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:02:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA14733; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:02:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Subject: Re: Freefall, sendmail, smail... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 00:35:35 +0100." <9501112335.AA16974@blaise.ibp.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:02:00 -0800 Message-ID: <14732.789876120@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Something interesting on freefall : mailq now points to smail > and not to sendmail. I was surprised to see nothing when I typed mailq > so I went to look : You just have /usr/local/bin first in your path! Mailq is still on /usr/bin/mailq, for sendmail. The /usr/local/bin/mailq is, as you say, quite obviously for smail. Nothing wrong with that, just so long as it stays in /usr/local! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 01:08:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA23423 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:08:19 -0800 Received: from karon.dynas.se (karon.dynas.se [192.71.43.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA23408 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:08:14 -0800 Received: from spirit.dynas.se by karon.dynas.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rSLVj-000EUKC; Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:08:03 +0100 Received: by spirit.dynas.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #32) id m0rSLVi-000JfnC; Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:08:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:08:02 +0100 (MET) From: Mikael Hybsch X-Sender: micke@spirit To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Patch to support NCR 53C815 based SCSI controller Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The following patch made FreeBSD 2.0R run on my new P90 machine. The leaflet included with the card says that a 815 is a 825 with automatic SCSI termination. I have been running FreeBSD on this machine for over a week now without any problems. --- sys/i386/pci/ncr.c.old Wed Jan 4 14:35:12 1995 +++ sys/i386/pci/ncr.c Thu Jan 12 09:50:50 1995 @@ -1259,6 +1259,7 @@ #define NCR_810_ID (0x00011000ul) #define NCR_825_ID (0x00031000ul) +#define NCR_815_ID (0x00041000ul) #ifdef __NetBSD__ @@ -3118,7 +3119,8 @@ if (!pci_targmatch(cf, pa)) return 0; if (pa->pa_id != NCR_810_ID && - pa->pa_id != NCR_825_ID) + pa->pa_id != NCR_825_ID && + pa->pa_id != NCR_815_ID) return 0; return 1; @@ -3136,6 +3138,9 @@ case NCR_825_ID: return ("ncr 53c825 wide scsi"); + + case NCR_815_ID: + return ("ncr 53c815 wide scsi"); } return (0); } @@ -3243,6 +3248,7 @@ np->maxwide = 0; break; case NCR_825_ID: + case NCR_815_ID: np->maxwide = 1; break; } -- Mikael Hybsch Email: micke@dynas.se DynaSoft, Dynamic Software AB Phone: +46-8-615 84 00 Hammarby Fabriksv 13, Box 92058 Fax: +46-8-641 92 00 S-120 06 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 01:40:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA27051 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:40:36 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27015 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:40:25 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id KAA00356 ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:41:13 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19143; Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:41:19 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501120941.AA19143@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Freefall, sendmail, smail... To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:41:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <14732.789876120@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 11, 95 06:02:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 618 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You just have /usr/local/bin first in your path! > Mailq is still on /usr/bin/mailq, for sendmail. > > The /usr/local/bin/mailq is, as you say, quite obviously for smail. > Nothing wrong with that, just so long as it stays in /usr/local! :-) I've had /usr/local/bin first in my path for years because on many systems I was forced to recompile every utility in order to use the system :-) OK, we have an OS with everything so I'll put /usr/local/bin at the end :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 01:50:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA28336 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:50:31 -0800 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA28324 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:50:28 -0800 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA13494; Thu, 12 Jan 95 01:47:45 -0800 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0rSLxf-0005M7C; Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:36 MEZ Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:36 MEZ From: garyj@rks32.pcs.dec.com (Gary Jennejohn) To: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gj@pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Subject: using procfs for debugging -------- I never saw this come back from hackers, so I'm sending it again. > I found my old kernel tree that allowed me to control processes using > procfs (being able to do things like have a process stop on events, and get > information about said stopping). > This is a real old tree -- I don't know how well it would go into 2.x... > If someone is willing to port gdb to our procfs, I'd be delighted to work > with you on it... > Sean. Well, since I added attach/detach to gdb using procfs, I'd be more than willing to make a stab at this. BTW J"org, I was planning to try and hack your mods into gdb-4.13 for dyadic frames, but if you _really_ want to do it....:-) Gary J. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 02:55:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA03147 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:55:43 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA03141 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:55:41 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA24395 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:55:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:55:34 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501121055.CAA24395@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: FYI.. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.uni-hamburg.de/~bkr/ccc/presse/bsd-linux-entwicklung.html [Auf Deutsch] From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 03:22:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA03543 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:22:44 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA03533 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:22:39 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id MAA02099 ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:23:25 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19448; Thu, 12 Jan 95 12:23:31 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501121123.AA19448@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: FYI.. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:23:30 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501121055.CAA24395@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 12, 95 02:55:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 299 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > http://www.uni-hamburg.de/~bkr/ccc/presse/bsd-linux-entwicklung.html > [Auf Deutsch] Could you summarize, I'm afraid I don't understand Deutsch... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 03:37:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA03919 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:37:45 -0800 Received: from morton.cdrom.com (morton.cdrom.com [192.216.222.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA03913 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:37:44 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by morton.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA02165 for hackers@freefall; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:39:33 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:39:33 GMT From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501120339.DAA02165@morton.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: wu-ftpd on freefall Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has been installed from the -current port. Please report any problems to root@freefall.cdrom.com. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 04:01:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA04609 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:01:52 -0800 Received: from trout.nosc.mil (trout.nosc.mil [128.49.16.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA04600 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:01:47 -0800 Received: by trout.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22313; Thu, 12 Jan 95 04:01:38 PST Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id BAA05524; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:27:06 -1000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:27:06 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199501121127.BAA05524@pegasus.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've just picked up one of these things sans manual, along with an old 300Mb >ESDI drive that may be on its last legs. The controller has a second board >that looks as if it carries about 2Mb of cache. Does anyone know if these >things just look like an ordinary controller, what jumpers will disable the >floppy drives, is it capable of having its IRQ and i/o ports changed? (yeah, >spare the arguments about how the memory would be better used on the >motherboard, but the fact is the target machine already has all the memory it >can take) It's not just a matter of cost effectiveness. A crash with a full cache can make your disk un-recoverable. A caching controller is a bad thing for Unix, unless the OS knows about it and is designed to cope. -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 04:19:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA05122 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:19:16 -0800 Received: from dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU [130.155.16.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA05116 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:19:13 -0800 Received: from megadata.mega.com.au by dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (4.1/5.17) id AA10647; Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:18:59 EST (from andrew@mega.com.au) Received: from eden.mega.oz.au by megadata.mega.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1/MEGA) id AA12726; Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:19:08 EST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:19:08 EST From: Andrew McRae Message-Id: <9501121219.AA12726@megadata.mega.com.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: PCMCIA stuff X-Face: *Ca*Qw_'S?uT3u}"Y,-b[rIRFm*7MaD8zp6$7B?r8k&iGt4'2W@WFXSrP:%Dqk,V8Gap Jer pj*qHbFA!k4YDR"~iAO&gp*T=!KG*'c0:],:l}0(oAm?pdjC0.V{2%3v,w8pwqiL7$^}][Kiz- Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, Just to let people know, I have passed on to phk the latest PCMCIA stuff working under 2.0. Work is progressing on integrating it more with the kernel, and sorting out the various gremlins that the books didn't tell me about... Is there a mailing list around for freebsd/PCMCIA specific stuff? Can one be created? Cheers, Andrew McRae inet: andrew@mega.com.au MITS Real Time Ltd, uucp: ..!uunet!mega.com.au!andrew North Ryde 2113 Phone: +61 2 805 0899 NSW AUSTRALIA Fax: +61 2 887 4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 04:26:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA05228 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:26:26 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA05222 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:26:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA25836; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:23:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Andrew McRae cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PCMCIA stuff In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:19:08 EST." <9501121219.AA12726@megadata.mega.com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:23:39 -0800 Message-ID: <25835.789913419@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a mailing list around for freebsd/PCMCIA specific > stuff? Can one be created? I think that hardware@freebsd.org is a good group for this, and not at all overtrafficed. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 05:16:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA10837 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:16:25 -0800 Received: from gategn.telecom.ptt.nl (gategn.telecom.ptt.nl [193.79.184.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA10733 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:15:57 -0800 Received: by gategn.telecom.ptt.nl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00191; Thu, 12 Jan 95 15:59:10 GMT Message-Id: <9501121359.AA26900@hdxu03.telecom.ptt.nl> To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Cc: sch@telecom.ptt.nl Subject: Anyone working on the ipfirewall code ? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:59:16 +54374224 From: Jakob Schripsema Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there anyone working on the ipfirewall code for FreeBSD ?? I intend to use it with release 2.0 but I ran into some problems (panics, strange ways of handling bitmasks and the like). I hate reinventing wheel, so I someone is already working on the code I prefer to join. Jakob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jakob Schripsema | Telephone: +31 50 855537 PTT Telecom BV | Telefax : +31 50 855310 I&AT | E-mail : J.Schripsema@telecom.ptt.nl P.O. Box 188 | DISCLAIMER: This statement is not an official NL-9700 AD Groningen | statement from, nor does it represent an The Netherlands | official position of, PTT Telecom B.V. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 07:34:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA23636 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 07:34:21 -0800 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA23630 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 07:34:18 -0800 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA02843 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:32:15 -0500 From: Wankle Rotary Engine Message-Id: <199501121532.KAA02843@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Small syscons change To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1920 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After some discussion with Bruce Evans, I've decided to submit the following tiny patch for /sys/i386/isa/syscons.c: *** syscons.c.orig Thu Jan 12 09:52:45 1995 --- syscons.c Thu Jan 12 09:53:13 1995 *************** *** 2100,2110 **** /* Print only printables */ *scp->crtat = (scp->term.cur_attr | scr_map[c]); scp->crtat++; ! /* ! * Wrap at the *LAST* column, not the last column ! * minus one!!!! Arrrghhh!!! ! */ ! if (++scp->xpos > /* = */ scp->xsize) { scp->xpos = 0; scp->ypos++; } --- 2100,2106 ---- /* Print only printables */ *scp->crtat = (scp->term.cur_attr | scr_map[c]); scp->crtat++; ! if (++scp->xpos >= scp->xsize) { scp->xpos = 0; scp->ypos++; } This patch backs out the 'cursor wraps at wrong place' fix I had bundled in with my NOBLINK_CURSOR mods. Apparently this change breaks elvis and bash (although bash's problems appear to be bash's own fault -- this is version 1.14.2 we're talking about here). The NOBLINK_CURSOR mods don't seem to be a problem. (They better not be. :) I made this change originally to avoid some trouble I was having with a VAX that steadfastly insisted on wrapping at the wrong place when using ANSI terminal mode (SET TERM/DEV=UNKNOWN/ANSI). I guess what's good for the VAX isn't good for everyone else. If anyone else has noticed problems with this, please speak up. -Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Mon Jan 9 14:59:33 EST 1995 ~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 08:24:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA24491 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:24:02 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA24484 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:23:58 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA28658 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:16:56 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA00825; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:43:08 +0300 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, Richard Wackerbarth References: In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Wackerbarth at Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:51:42 -0600 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:43:07 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: awk broken in today's sup of -current Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 784 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message Richard Wackerbarth writes: >As part of make world, I now encounter the following error. >cc -O2 -I/pub/.0/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/gnu/usr.bin/awk -DGAWK -c dfa.c >dfa.c: In function `lex': >dfa.c:463: `RE_NO_GNU_OPS' undeclared (first use this function) >dfa.c:463: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once >dfa.c:463: for each function it appears in.) >*** Error code 1 You need 'make all install' in libgnuregex. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 08:46:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA24808 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:46:40 -0800 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (root@maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA24802 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:46:38 -0800 Received: from x65-102.co.net by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:05:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:05:29 CST From: "Craig Jones" Message-Id: <49742.cmjones@maroon.tc.umn.edu> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_16 X-POPMail-Charset: English To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: POP3 mail gopher www server Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Does anybody out there know where I can get pop3 mail, gopher, and www server software for FreeBSD. I am running version 1.5.1 Thanks Craig Jones Hormel Institute cmjones@maroon.tc.umn.edu University of Minnesota +1 507 437 9654 Desk 801 16th Ave. N.E. +1 507 437 9606 FAX Austin, MN 55912, USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 09:30:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA25987 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:30:43 -0800 Received: from gw.itfs.nsk.su (gw.itfs.nsk.su [193.124.36.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25980 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:30:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (nnd@localhost) by gw.itfs.nsk.su (8.6.4/8.6.4) id WAA01086 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:54:58 +0600 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:54:58 +0600 From: "Nickolay N. Dudorov" Message-Id: <199501121654.WAA01086@gw.itfs.nsk.su> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Majordomo port ? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't find 'majordomo' in ports. Where can I get 2.0R-ready sources ? (This message'll be delivered by majordomo on freefall ?) N.Dudorov From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 11:26:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA00646 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:26:39 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00635 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:26:33 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.9/1.53) id UAA07509; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:25:07 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199501121925.UAA07509@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: S/Key - What gives? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:25:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, wietse@gvr.win.tue.nl (Wietse Venema) In-Reply-To: <199501111712.TAA27382@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Jan 11, 95 07:12:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 737 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Murray wrote: > > 2) If we are trying (and succeeding) to avoid giving away usernames > (like not allowing fingerd the freedom it traditionally has), then > maybe we should look at this: > > a) logging in as a legitimate user with s/key enabled gives the usual > > login: > s/key > password: > > User is in. > > b) Joe Cracker comes along and wants to see if account "bloggs" exists: > > login: bloggs > password: secret > login incorrect. > > But the absence of the s/key bit already told him he's barking up the > wrong tree. Maybe a random number should be thrown in as a confuser? > Goo idea. Forwarded to Wietse Venema as well. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 11:47:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA01499 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:47:05 -0800 Received: from vmbb.cts.com (vmbb.cts.com [192.188.72.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01486 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:47:01 -0800 Received: from io.cts.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rSVTr-0000Y2C; Thu, 12 Jan 95 11:46 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA05447 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:40:18 -0800 From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199501121940.LAA05447@io.cts.com> Subject: -current 95/01/12 make world error To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:40:18 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 362 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tried to make world on last night's sup, and got this in the clean up stage: ===> share/doc/psd/04.csh *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Error was 'can't cd to /usr/src/share/doc/psd/04.csh', in which it tried to remove some files. Sure enough. No such directory 04.csh. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 12:06:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA02020 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:06:11 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA02014 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:06:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20948; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:05:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Morgan Davis cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: -current 95/01/12 make world error In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 11:40:18 PST." <199501121940.LAA05447@io.cts.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:05:22 -0800 Message-ID: <20947.789941122@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Fixed. This was the wrong Makefile, somehow! > Tried to make world on last night's sup, and got this in the clean up > stage: > > ===> share/doc/psd/04.csh > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > > Error was 'can't cd to /usr/src/share/doc/psd/04.csh', in which it > tried to remove some files. Sure enough. No such directory 04.csh. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 12:12:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA02214 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:12:56 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA02207 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:12:54 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA16999; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:12:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:12:21 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501122012.AA16999@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" Cc: "Andrew V. Stesin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Localization stuff? In-Reply-To: References: <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > In message <199501112040.WAA01675@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Andrew V. > Stesin writes: >> Any pointer to ftp'able Runes UTF coding doco? Samples? > I beleive that Runes comes from Plan9. Lower values corresponds > ASCII, upper is multibyte chars, don't know more about it. See utf2(4). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 12:32:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA03136 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:32:59 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA03118 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:32:24 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06651; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:33:10 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id VAA05026 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:33:09 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA19592; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:03:36 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501122003.VAA19592@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: using procfs for debugging To: gj@pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:03:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Gary Jennejohn" at Jan 12, 95 10:36:00 am X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 908 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Jennejohn wrote: | | BTW J"org, I was planning to try and hack your mods into gdb-4.13 for | dyadic frames, but if you _really_ want to do it....:-) Hmm, i'm not eager to dig into problems where i don't have a clue of:-) Actually, i've already looked and found that this is easy and not easy. Easy since there are already hooks (SETUP_ARBITRARY_FRAME), not easy since it looks that it's a designer's decision by now whether an architecture does require two args to the `frame' command or if a single arg will suffice. So if we'd use SETUP_ARBITRARY_FRAME the way it's used by now, we'll prohibit the traditional way the frame command used to work... Did i overlook something? -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 12:53:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA04675 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:53:51 -0800 Received: from wzv.win.tue.nl (wietse@wzv.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04669 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:53:46 -0800 Received: by wzv.win.tue.nl (8.6.7/1.45) id VAA20779; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:52:49 +0100 From: wietse@wzv.win.tue.nl (Wietse Venema) Message-Id: <199501122052.VAA20779@wzv.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: S/Key - What gives? To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 21:52:49 MET Cc: mark@grondar.za, hackers@FreeBSD.org, wietse@gvr.win.tue.nl In-Reply-To: <199501121925.UAA07509@gvr.win.tue.nl>; from "Guido van Rooij" at Jan 12, 95 8:25 pm Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, P.O. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 40 472989 (after Oct 1995: +31 40 2472989) X-Fax: +31 40 465995 (after Oct 1995: +31 40 2465995) X-Private: +31 40 433327 (after Oct 1995: +31 40 2433327) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > b) Joe Cracker comes along and wants to see if account "bloggs" exists: > > But the absence of the s/key bit already told him he's barking up the > > wrong tree. Maybe a random number should be thrown in as a confuser? Well, the bogus challenge should be constant for at least an hour or so. I the s/key mailing list I proposed to seed the algorithm with the inode ctime of '/'. That information is stable enough, and should not be accessible to Joe Cracker. Wietse From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 12:59:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA05165 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:59:33 -0800 Received: from nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05156 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:59:32 -0800 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb/3.3Wb) id FAA04896; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 05:59:20 +0900 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 05:59:20 +0900 Message-Id: <199501122059.FAA04896@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: PCMCIA Etherlink III driver From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3+] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi ! My friend *NOW* finished the implementation of a device driver for 3C589 PCMCIA Etherlink III on RT-Mach 3.0. This driver is based on if_ze of FreeBSD 1.1.5.1R and I think it'll easily be ported on FreeBSD 2.0 again. We've run TTCP benchmark. It marked about 800KB/sec on slow TCP/IP code of Mach UX server. It's *very* faster than if_ze with the IBM PCMCIA Ethernet card. Please wait a few days... :-) --- ----------------------------------------------------------- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi (hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp) Dept. of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 13:12:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA06190 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:12:23 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06166 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:12:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA08060; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:10:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199501122110.XAA08060@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: wietse@wzv.win.tue.nl (Wietse Venema) cc: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij), hackers@FreeBSD.org, wietse@gvr.win.tue.nl Subject: Re: S/Key - What gives? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:10:12 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, the bogus challenge should be constant for at least an hour or > so. I the s/key mailing list I proposed to seed the algorithm with the > inode ctime of '/'. That information is stable enough, and should not > be accessible to Joe Cracker. Why don't you _really_ confuse the bugger; use the name he is trying, modified by sonthing to do with the machine he is trying? ie coming in on grondar.za with name bloggs, ergo random number derived from rondar+bloggs, or some similar scheme? This number will never change... -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 13:56:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA08343 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:56:42 -0800 Received: from inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA08336 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:56:39 -0800 Received: from tartufo.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA22350; Thu, 12 Jan 95 13:51:46 -0800 Received: by tartufo.pcs.dec.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Thu, 12 Jan 95 22:51 MET Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 22:51 MET From: me@tartufo.pcs.dec.com (Michael Elbel) To: bakul@netcom.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Recommended sound card for 1.1.5.1 Newsgroups: pcs.freebsd.hackers References: <199501041944.LAA29145@netcom11.netcom.com> Reply-To: me%dude.pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In pcs.freebsd.hackers you write: >Speaking of GUS, can anyone recommend a microphone for it? >I would prefer a tiny clip-on kind. Stereo would also be >nice but I'll take anything that works with GUS and is >cheap. Thanks! I've gotten excellent results with a Sony clip-on with additional in-cable microphone amplifier. Was about $50 if I remember right, though. One might be able to find cheaper mic/amp combos though. Michael -- Michael Elbel, Digital-PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 14:02:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA08504 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:02:03 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08497 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:01:57 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA04790 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:48:24 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA09832; 12 Jan 95 15:14:22 CST (Thu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA09829; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:14:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Wankle Rotary Engine Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small syscons change In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:32:10 EST." <199501121532.KAA02843@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:14:18 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating the VT100 on other terminals... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 14:16:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA09264 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:16:42 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA09256 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:16:39 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA11380 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:17:24 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21605; Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:17:29 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.6.9/keltia-uucp-1.21) id WAA05525 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:56:01 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199501122156.WAA05525@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: libpthreads has been ported to NetBSD 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers' list) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:55:59 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#275 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 677 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, The lastest version of libpthreads (1.51.0) has been ported to NetBSD 1.0. The FreeBSD port is 1.1... I remember someone saying that he has a version of 2.0 too... Anyone care to look at it and try to re-port it to 2.1 ? What_New ------------------------------------------------------------ For the 94/11/06 release version 1_51_0 This is a patch release of pthreads-1_50_3 plus patches patch-1_50_4 through patch-1_50_14. ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #0: Thu Jan 12 00:41:32 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 15:19:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA13122 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:19:26 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA13116 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:19:23 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA01012 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 02:14:40 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id CAA00623; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 02:05:57 +0300 To: Peter da Silva , Wankle Rotary Engine Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com> In-Reply-To: <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com>; from Peter da Silva at Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:14:18 -0600 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 02:05:56 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Small syscons change Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 830 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com> Peter da Silva writes: >DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. >You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating >the VT100 on other terminals... VT100 have very different behaviour then simple line wrap: cursor stuck in last position until next char will be printed. Standard linewarp goes to first column immediately after printing char in last column. You mast have an option (ioctl?) in syscons to emulate VT100 line wrap. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 16:15:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14123 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:15:09 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA14114 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:15:03 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA07296; Thu, 12 Jan 95 17:08:32 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501130008.AA07296@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: ache@astral.msk.su (Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 17:08:31 MST Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Jan 13, 95 02:05:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In message <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com> Peter da Silva > writes: > > >DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. > > >You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating > >the VT100 on other terminals... > > VT100 have very different behaviour then simple line wrap: > cursor stuck in last position until next char will be printed. > Standard linewarp goes to first column immediately after > printing char in last column. > You mast have an option (ioctl?) in syscons to emulate VT100 line wrap. The actual term is "delayed wrap" and the actual description is "wrap *before* 81st (133rd) character", as opposed to "wrap after 80th (132nd) character". The termcap description of their attribute to deal with this (AM) is *wrong*. This is what xterm means with it's 'Enable Curses emulation". The problem in a partial fix is that "eat CR after wrap" still causes a forced scroll if it was the 80th (132nd) character of the last line. SCO curses handles this on their console (which is *not* "delayed wrap") by outputing the 80th character in the 79th column, and reinserting the previous 79th character. Note that this implies the screen redraw code is very seperate from the actual emulation (screen content manipulation) code. Gee, it's been years since I've written a VT100... I guess it's like riding a bicycle. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 16:38:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA14963 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:38:27 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14957 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:38:22 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA17920; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:37:42 +1100 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:37:42 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199501130037.LAA17920@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Small syscons change Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >This patch backs out the 'cursor wraps at wrong place' fix I had bundled >in with my NOBLINK_CURSOR mods. Apparently this change breaks elvis and >bash (although bash's problems appear to be bash's own fault -- this is >version 1.14.2 we're talking about here). The NOBLINK_CURSOR mods don't >seem to be a problem. (They better not be. :) The change only broke elvis. bash-1.14.2's special handling for the last column is broken. bash-1.14.3 works OK. elvis thinks that the "am" termcap capability means that the cursor automatically wraps to column 0 of the next line when a character is printed in the last column. Is this what "am" means? There is often no problem, but when elvis doesn't need to print anything on the next line, it attempts to go to column 0 of the line after that using \r\n or \n\r, and the change breaks this. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 17:11:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA16888 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:11:10 -0800 Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@Seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA16882 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:11:09 -0800 Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA09544 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:10:47 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199501130110.SAA09544@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: CVS stuff To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:10:24 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 279 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! Does CVS, as installed, support "binary" files? I seem to recall that was an option in the package... Also, can someone clarify the function/utility of the "vendortag" and "releasetag" in importing sources (e.g., the FreeBSD source hierarchy)? Thx, --don From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 17:30:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA17733 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:30:42 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17727 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:30:40 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id CAA12594 ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 02:31:27 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22475; Fri, 13 Jan 95 02:31:32 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501130131.AA22475@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: dgy@seagull.rtd.com (Don Yuniskis) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 02:31:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501130110.SAA09544@seagull.rtd.com> from "Don Yuniskis" at Jan 12, 95 06:10:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 795 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does CVS, as installed, support "binary" files? I seem > to recall that was an option in the package... The support is limited but it exist. The problem is keyword substi- tution which should not be done for binary file obviously. > Also, can someone clarify the function/utility of the > "vendortag" and "releasetag" in importing sources (e.g., the > FreeBSD source hierarchy)? When you import sources, vendortag is the name of the package and releasetag is the release #. When you import a new version only releastag change. Well, that's how I understand it :-) I'm far from being a CVS expert even if I use it for everything now. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #2: Sat Jan 7 00:55:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 17:33:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA18409 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:33:47 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA18389 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:33:43 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA08603 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:19:02 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id EAA01108; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:15:00 +0300 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu References: <9501130008.AA07296@cs.weber.edu> In-Reply-To: <9501130008.AA07296@cs.weber.edu>; from Terry Lambert at Thu, 12 Jan 95 17:08:31 MST Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:14:59 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Small syscons change Lines: 45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1855 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9501130008.AA07296@cs.weber.edu> Terry Lambert writes: >> In message <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com> Peter da Silva >> writes: >> >> >DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. >> >> >You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating >> >the VT100 on other terminals... >> >> VT100 have very different behaviour then simple line wrap: >> cursor stuck in last position until next char will be printed. >> Standard linewarp goes to first column immediately after >> printing char in last column. >> You mast have an option (ioctl?) in syscons to emulate VT100 line wrap. >The actual term is "delayed wrap" and the actual description is "wrap >*before* 81st (133rd) character", as opposed to "wrap after 80th (132nd) >character". >The termcap description of their attribute to deal with this (AM) is >*wrong*. This is what xterm means with it's 'Enable Curses emulation". There is termcap capability which match this case: "xn" (in addition to "am") Corresponding terminfo capability: "xenl" >The problem in a partial fix is that "eat CR after wrap" still causes >a forced scroll if it was the 80th (132nd) character of the last line. There is no partial fix, but completely different behaviour, SCO standard console (which syscons emulate) use true line wrap without delay. >SCO curses handles this on their console (which is *not* "delayed wrap") >by outputing the 80th character in the 79th column, and reinserting the >previous 79th character. ncurses do this in the same way. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 17:35:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA18690 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:35:18 -0800 Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu (PO4.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.11.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18677; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:35:15 -0800 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA20315; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:34:44 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.Phred.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs28.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:33:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0j5RW3y00iVGA5wmQ6@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Small syscons change Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Excerpts from internet.computing.freebsd-hackers: 13-Jan-95 Re: Small syscons change by Andrew A. Chernov@astral > VT100 have very different behaviour then simple line wrap: > cursor stuck in last position until next char will be printed. > Standard linewarp goes to first column immediately after > printing char in last column. > You mast have an option (ioctl?) in syscons to emulate VT100 line wrap. Screen "does the right thing" if the termcap has the wrapping behavior of the terminal marked properly. Screen used to work fairly decently for me running under syscons emulating a vt100, although I haven't used screen or syscons in a while. alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 17:52:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA20108 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:52:20 -0800 Received: from dino.trl.ibm.co.jp (dino.trl.ibm.co.jp [192.156.220.66]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA20096 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:52:16 -0800 Received: from ns.trl.ibm.com ([9.116.1.23]) by dino.trl.ibm.co.jp (5.65c/2.7Wd) id AA19082; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:52:00 +0900 Received: from taka.trl.ibm.com by ns.trl.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/TRL4.1SRV) id AA18255; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:51:55 +0900 Message-Id: <9501130151.AA18255@ns.trl.ibm.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small syscons change Reply-To: moriyama@trl.ibm.co.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:32:10 -0500 (EST)" References: <199501121532.KAA02843@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.77+ on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:51:55 +0900 From: MORIYAMA Takao Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, all. I'm new to FreeBSD and running FreeBSD 2.0-RELEASE on ThinkPad-750C. >>>>> "WRE" == Wankle Rotary Engine writes: WRE> After some discussion with Bruce Evans, I've decided to submit the WRE> following tiny patch for /sys/i386/isa/syscons.c: I've also made a fix for syscons.c. I first made the same fix as Wankle's but another problem arose in column or row only cursor movement. If termcap library generates "ESC [ d" or "ESC [ `" sequences, is 0 based, not 1 based. So clamping by original code n = scp->term.param[0]; if (n < 1) n = 1; makes the cursor on the second column/row on the screen. This sequnce is used by emacs as long as I know. The following pactch fixes this problem without breaking bash and elvis. I don't know this is the right solution, but I have no problem for now. Thanks. ----------------------- CUT HERE ----------------------- --- syscons.c.DIST Wed Jan 11 15:19:30 1995 +++ syscons.c Wed Jan 11 15:20:52 1995 @@ -1856,7 +1856,7 @@ break; case '`': /* move cursor to column n */ - n = scp->term.param[0]; if (n < 1) n = 1; + n = scp->term.param[0]; move_crsr(scp, n, scp->ypos); break; @@ -1866,7 +1866,12 @@ break; p case 'd': /* move cursor to row n */ - n = scp->term.param[0]; if (n < 1) n = 1; + /* If cursor is next to the right most column, + * force to the left most position. + */ + if (scp->xpos == scp->xsize) + scp->xpos = 0; + n = scp->term.param[0]; move_crsr(scp, scp->xpos, n); break; ----------------------- CUT HERE ----------------------- -- Takao Moriyama Internet: moriyama@vnet.ibm.com IBM Japan, Tokyo Research Laboratory JUNET: moriyama@trl.ibm.co.jp Advanced Graphics Systems IBM IP-net: moriyama@trl.ibm.com Voice: +81-462-73-4927 IBM VNET: MORIYAMA at TRLVM IBMMAIL: JPIBMRS8 at IBMMAIL From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 17:57:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA20625 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:57:25 -0800 Received: from kf0yn.ampr.org (s087.infonet.net [167.142.100.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA20616 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:57:21 -0800 Received: (cmf@localhost) by kf0yn.ampr.org (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA00201 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:55:39 -0600 From: "Carl M. Fongheiser" Message-Id: <199501130155.TAA00201@kf0yn.ampr.org> Subject: Help with BT445S? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:55:38 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1238 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I swear -- I have no luck with SCSI cards. First the NCR PCI card didn't work, and now I'm having trouble with the Buslogic VLB card. (Yes, I have one of those maddening VLB/PCI 486 motherboards.) I'm getting further this time, though. Here's the configuration: Port 330, IRQ 12, BIOS disabled, synch negotiation disabled The card is correctly probed at boot time. I have two drives on the SCSI chain, a Quantum ELS127S, and a Quantum LT730S. The boot-time probe correctly identifies both drives. The problem arises the first time I try to access one of the disks. Here's an extract from /var/log/messages: Jan 12 19:43:30 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort Jan 12 19:43:32 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out Jan 12 19:43:42 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort Jan 12 19:43:44 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out Jan 12 19:45:24 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort Jan 12 19:45:26 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out Jan 12 19:45:31 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort Jan 12 19:45:33 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out Any suggestions? Do I have something misconfigured? Do I just have a bum motherboard? Should I just stick to IDE :-)? Carl Fongheiser cmf@ins.infonet.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 18:58:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA23919 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:58:51 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA23913 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:58:48 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA27150; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:57:50 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199501130257.SAA27150@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:57:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: dgy@seagull.rtd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9501130131.AA22475@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier ROBERT" at Jan 13, 95 02:31:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 997 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Does CVS, as installed, support "binary" files? I seem > > to recall that was an option in the package... > > The support is limited but it exist. The problem is keyword substi- > tution which should not be done for binary file obviously. I would recomend doing a cvs admin -ko on all binary files put under CVS control. See the co(1) man page for what the -ko option does. > > Also, can someone clarify the function/utility of the > > "vendortag" and "releasetag" in importing sources (e.g., the > > FreeBSD source hierarchy)? > > When you import sources, vendortag is the name of the package and > releasetag is the release #. When you import a new version only releastag > change. Well, that's how I understand it :-) I'm far from being a CVS > expert even if I use it for everything now. Said better than the FAQ! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:04:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA24066 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:04:08 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA24058 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:04:00 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA07920 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:43:05 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA17974; 12 Jan 95 20:42:29 CST (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA17971; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:42:29 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199501130242.UAA17971@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: ache@astral.msk.su (Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:42:28 -0600 (CST) Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Jan 13, 95 02:05:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 178 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > VT100 have very different behaviour then simple line wrap: No kidding. My point is that all the VAX (VMS, I assume) software he was complaining about was likely expecting it. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:05:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA24091 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:05:21 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA24084 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:05:11 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA07979 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:51:24 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA18261; 12 Jan 95 20:47:13 CST (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA18252; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:47:13 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199501130247.UAA18252@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:47:12 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199501130037.LAA17920@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 13, 95 11:37:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 535 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > elvis thinks that the "am" termcap capability means that the cursor > automatically wraps to column 0 of the next line when a character is > printed in the last column. Is this what "am" means? Yes. Traditionally on VT100 style terminals you turn off "am" and turn off ALL line wrap. it's annoying in the shell but it makes things work for pretty much all curses variants. There is no termcap or terminfo attribute that I know of that marks DEC style line wrapping. A lot of programs just blow it off and only use columns 0-78. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:05:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA24103 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:05:35 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA24093 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:05:24 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA27188; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:04:36 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199501130304.TAA27188@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Help with BT445S? To: cmf@ins.infonet.net (Carl M. Fongheiser) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:04:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501130155.TAA00201@kf0yn.ampr.org> from "Carl M. Fongheiser" at Jan 12, 95 07:55:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2010 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I swear -- I have no luck with SCSI cards. First the NCR PCI card didn't work, > and now I'm having trouble with the Buslogic VLB card. (Yes, I have one of > those maddening VLB/PCI 486 motherboards.) I'm getting further this time, > though. Here's the configuration: > > Port 330, IRQ 12, BIOS disabled, synch negotiation disabled > > The card is correctly probed at boot time. I have two drives on the SCSI > chain, a Quantum ELS127S, and a Quantum LT730S. The boot-time probe > correctly identifies both drives. The problem arises the first time I > try to access one of the disks. Here's an extract from /var/log/messages: > > > Jan 12 19:43:30 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort > Jan 12 19:43:32 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out > Jan 12 19:43:42 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort > Jan 12 19:43:44 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out > Jan 12 19:45:24 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort > Jan 12 19:45:26 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out > Jan 12 19:45:31 ositos kernel: bt0: Try to abort > Jan 12 19:45:33 ositos kernel: bt0: Abort Operation has timed out > > Any suggestions? Do I have something misconfigured? Do I just have > a bum motherboard? Should I just stick to IDE :-)? There are 2 common causes of the above types of errors, the first one is an incorrectly terminated or over terminated scsi bus. Please read the termination section in your BT445S manual and make sure you have only terminated the 2 farthest ends of the scsi bus. The second cause of this is have the BT445S in a non-bus master VL slot. Try the other VLB slots on your motherboard. A third, and not so common cause of this is some PCI/VLB motherboards do not support bus master VLB at all, check your motherboard docs. What chip set is on the motherboard? > Carl Fongheiser > cmf@ins.infonet.net -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:30:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA24624 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:30:59 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA24618 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:30:56 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA12681 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:30:21 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id GAA02423; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:22:42 +0300 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, moriyama@trl.ibm.co.jp References: <199501121532.KAA02843@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> <9501130151.AA18255@ns.trl.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <9501130151.AA18255@ns.trl.ibm.com>; from MORIYAMA Takao at Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:51:55 +0900 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:22:41 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Small syscons change Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 892 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9501130151.AA18255@ns.trl.ibm.com> MORIYAMA Takao writes: >If termcap library generates "ESC [ d" or "ESC [ `" >sequences, is 0 based, not 1 based. So clamping by original code > n = scp->term.param[0]; if (n < 1) n = 1; >makes the cursor on the second column/row on the screen. This sequnce is >used by emacs as long as I know. >The following pactch fixes this problem without breaking bash and elvis. >I don't know this is the right solution, but I have no problem for now. You fix it in wrong way, use (n - 1) in move_crsr instead like in 'H' escape done. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:48:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA25043 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:48:50 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA25037 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:48:47 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA17447 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:41:45 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id GAA02530; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:36:30 +0300 To: Peter da Silva Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu References: <199501130242.UAA17971@bonkers.taronga.com> In-Reply-To: <199501130242.UAA17971@bonkers.taronga.com>; from Peter da Silva at Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:42:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:36:29 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Small syscons change Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 848 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501130242.UAA17971@bonkers.taronga.com> Peter da Silva writes: >> VT100 have very different behaviour then simple line wrap: >No kidding. My point is that all the VAX (VMS, I assume) software he >was complaining about was likely expecting it. And all SCO software don't expect it :-) We have SCO console FYI, not VT100. Modern VT's have some escape (I don't remember it) to switch to normal linewrap mode/VT100 linewrap mode, I think, somebody who really need it can implement it in this way and don't touch default normal linewrap. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:49:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA25052 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:49:49 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA25046 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:49:47 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA17495 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:42:12 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id GAA02542; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:38:49 +0300 To: Bruce Evans , Peter da Silva Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu References: <199501130247.UAA18252@bonkers.taronga.com> In-Reply-To: <199501130247.UAA18252@bonkers.taronga.com>; from Peter da Silva at Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:47:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:38:48 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Small syscons change Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 963 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501130247.UAA18252@bonkers.taronga.com> Peter da Silva writes: >> elvis thinks that the "am" termcap capability means that the cursor >> automatically wraps to column 0 of the next line when a character is >> printed in the last column. Is this what "am" means? "am" means _normal_ linewrap, not VT100 one. >Traditionally on VT100 style terminals you turn off "am" and turn off ALL >line wrap. it's annoying in the shell but it makes things work for pretty >much all curses variants. >There is no termcap or terminfo attribute that I know of that marks DEC >style line wrapping. It is "xn" (termcap) and "xenl" (terminfo), in addition to "am". -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:57:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA25126 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:57:21 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25117 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:57:18 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id WAA25978; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:52:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:52:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Majordomo port ? To: "Nickolay N. Dudorov" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501121654.WAA01086@gw.itfs.nsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Nickolay N. Dudorov wrote: > > I can't find 'majordomo' in ports. > Where can I get 2.0R-ready sources ? > (This message'll be delivered by majordomo on freefall ?) > N.Dudorov majordomo-1.92 is the version to use. that's what runs on freefall, and we all know how well it works ;) (yo, the wheels need more grease, eyegore. coming, master jordan sir!) majordomo is a set of perl scripts so a binary port/package is not system version dependent. it IS perl version dependent. DO NOT USE perl 5.0. comp.lang.perl has all the details Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 19:59:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA25154 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:59:07 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA25148 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:59:06 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA08423; Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:53:02 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501130353.AA08423@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: ache@astral.msk.su (Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:53:02 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, peter@bonkers.taronga.com, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" at Jan 13, 95 04:14:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >The actual term is "delayed wrap" and the actual description is "wrap > >*before* 81st (133rd) character", as opposed to "wrap after 80th (132nd) > >character". > > >The termcap description of their attribute to deal with this (AM) is > >*wrong*. This is what xterm means with it's 'Enable Curses emulation". > > There is termcap capability which match this case: "xn" (in addition > to "am") > Corresponding terminfo capability: "xenl" Whoops! Pass the hat! 'xn' it is! Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 20:01:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA25200 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:01:03 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA25190 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:01:02 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA08433; Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:54:50 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501130354.AA08433@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:54:50 MST Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501122114.PAA09829@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jan 12, 95 03:14:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. > > You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating > the VT100 on other terminals... > Where'd you do your work? I did mine writing 'TERM' (from Century Software). Nice to know who the competition was. 8^). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 20:02:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA25329 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:02:21 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA25323 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:02:20 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA08450; Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:55:44 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501130355.AA08450@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:55:43 MST Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199501130247.UAA18252@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jan 12, 95 08:47:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Traditionally on VT100 style terminals you turn off "am" and turn off ALL > line wrap. it's annoying in the shell but it makes things work for pretty > much all curses variants. > > There is no termcap or terminfo attribute that I know of that marks DEC > style line wrapping. Ugh. I blew it. I mean 'xn', of course. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 21:27:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA26383 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:27:59 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA26377 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:27:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA24291; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:26:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: ache@astral.msk.su (Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage), peter@bonkers.taronga.com, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small syscons change In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 17:08:31 MST." <9501130008.AA07296@cs.weber.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:26:56 -0800 Message-ID: <24290.789974816@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Gee, it's been years since I've written a VT100... I guess it's like > riding a bicycle. 8-). Heh. You want to see arcane understand of the spec, look at the vt220 emulator a friend and I wrote (ports/x11/emu). We had to express what to *do* with every reasonable VT220 operation in a forth-like language I made up for the purpose! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 22:03:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA26734 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:03:04 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA26728 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:02:56 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA09765 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:41:32 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA00730; 12 Jan 95 22:20:05 CST (Thu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA00727; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:20:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199501130420.WAA00727@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Small syscons change In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 06:36:29 +0300." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:20:02 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >No kidding. My point is that all the VAX (VMS, I assume) software he > >was complaining about was likely expecting it. > And all SCO software don't expect it :-) Oh no fear, I wouldn't wish VT100 linewrap on my worst enemy. Well, maybe my worst enemy. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 22:03:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA26755 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:03:41 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA26747 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:03:33 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA09773 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:41:55 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA00969; 12 Jan 95 22:28:30 CST (Thu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA00966; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:28:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199501130428.WAA00966@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small syscons change In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:54:50 MST." <9501130354.AA08433@cs.weber.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:28:29 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. > > You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating > > the VT100 on other terminals... > Where'd you do your work? I did it in-house so people could use VMS software on non-DEC terminals. It was tested to work (defined as being usable, not crashing) even with a televideo terminal versus the VT100 torture test. I never used Term, but compared to Procomm we were way ahead. DEC sold our people on their SMG library, then when the systems were delivered we found that nothing important actually used SMG, so I pulled the VT100 code out of a shareware terminal emulator I did back in '82 and made it a bit more robust. Some of the "genuine" vt100 behaviour was only documented as "EDT on RSX-11/M generates this sequence and it does this"... I would swear DEC engineers were *using* bugs in the implementation. The program's cute. It's a filter that converts VT100 to whatever your termcap entry is, subject to what it can figure out from your termcap. More company-owned software though. I can't believe what they have it on the books for, considering it was an emergency hack. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 12 22:04:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA26772 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:04:48 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA26766 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:04:41 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA09771 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:41:45 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA00945; 12 Jan 95 22:27:36 CST (Thu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA00940; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:27:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199501130427.WAA00940@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" Cc: Bruce Evans , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Small syscons change In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 06:38:48 +0300." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:21:34 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You're right. I forgot xn/xenl because hardly any software (including quite a few versions of curses) handle it right... I'm glad to hear Screen is an exception. I guess that's why it's been screwing up. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 00:02:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA29352 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:02:44 -0800 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA29342 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:02:37 -0800 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rSgxN-000HzbC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 09:02 MET Received: by ernie.altona.ppp.net (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0rSga0-0002OfC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 08:37 WET Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.ppp.net (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:37:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199501130037.LAA17920@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jan 13, 95 11:37:42 am Reply-To: hm@ernie.altona.ppp.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 646 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Bruce Evans: > > elvis thinks that the "am" termcap capability means that the cursor > automatically wraps to column 0 of the next line when a character is > printed in the last column. Is this what "am" means? am is the automargin capability, also known as wraparound. it means that when a line reaches the right edge of the screen, the terminal automaticcally continues on the next line. (termcap & terminfo, O'Reilly & Associates, 1992) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.ppp.net Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 00:04:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA29381 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:04:50 -0800 Received: from vmbb.cts.com (vmbb.cts.com [192.188.72.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA29375 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:04:49 -0800 Received: from io.cts.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rSgzo-0000dBC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 00:04 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA14622 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:58:20 -0800 From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199501130758.XAA14622@io.cts.com> Subject: argh, make world blows again To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 23:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 678 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Another problem related to the doc stuff (and this after nine hours of an otherwise uneventful make world): (first line repeats off the screen) /usr/src/share/doc/usd/20.meref/ref.me:2033: warning: can't break line /usr/src/share/doc/usd/20.meref/ref.me:2033: warning: can't break line /usr/src/share/doc/usd/20.meref/ref.me:2033: warning: can't break line /usr/src/share/doc/usd/20.meref/ref.me:2033: warning: can't break line rm -f paper.ps mv paper.ps+ paper.ps ===> share/doc/30.rogue make: don't know how to make rogue.me. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 01:58:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA01898 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:58:58 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA01892 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:58:56 -0800 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <27226-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:57:55 +1000 Received: from orion.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.7/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id RAA13432; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:47:57 +1000 Received: by orion.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.7/DEVETIR-0.2a) id RAA18845; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:43:47 +1000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:43:47 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199501130743.RAA18845@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org cc: Jakob Schripsema Subject: Re: Anyone working on the ipfirewall code ? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jakob Schripsema writes: >Is there anyone working on the ipfirewall code for FreeBSD ?? I intend to >use it with release 2.0 but I ran into some problems (panics, strange ways >of handling bitmasks and the like). I hate reinventing wheel, so I someone >is already working on the code I prefer to join. Yeah, I'm trying to use the firewall code here at work. It's got a few bugs and is absolutely gross inside. I don't know how efficient or not it might be because it is too ugly to read. I'm all for a total discard and rewrite. I'd love to do this, but unless the boss will fund it, I'm not going to be able to find time. There are changes in -current to ip_fw.c, but I can't tell if they do any good as I can't read them either. Anyway, I'm about to build a new kernel including the following patch: (This is relative to 2.0R, and should fix the 'ipfw policy deny' crash, and the inability to have both 'tcp' and 'udp' filters active simultaneously.) --- netinet/ip_fw.c.dist Tue Nov 8 22:47:27 1994 +++ netinet/ip_fw.c Fri Jan 13 17:27:12 1995 @@ -277,6 +277,7 @@ * be ever accepted or rejected... */ +#if 0 /* HEY, THIS CRAP AIN'T DOIN' ANYBODY ANY GOOD! */ #ifdef IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE /* * VERY ugly piece of code which actually @@ -306,6 +307,7 @@ return(0); } #endif +#endif /* CRAP */ return(ip_fw_policy); } @@ -371,8 +373,10 @@ if (newkind!=IP_FW_F_ALL && oldkind!=IP_FW_F_ALL - && oldkind!=newkind) + && oldkind!=newkind) { + chtmp_prev=chtmp; continue; + } /* * Very very *UGLY* code... * Sorry,but i had to do this.... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 03:15:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA03637 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:15:41 -0800 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA03629 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:15:38 -0800 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA22282; Fri, 13 Jan 95 03:11:14 -0800 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0rSjju-0005PIC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 12:00 MEZ Message-Id: To: joerg_wunsch%uriah.sax.de@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Subject: Re: using procfs for debugging Cc: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Reply-To: gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:00:18 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J"org writes: > Hmm, i'm not eager to dig into problems where i don't have a clue > of:-) Actually, i've already looked and found that this is easy and > not easy. Easy since there are already hooks (SETUP_ARBITRARY_FRAME), > not easy since it looks that it's a designer's decision by now whether > an architecture does require two args to the `frame' command or if a > single arg will suffice. So if we'd use SETUP_ARBITRARY_FRAME the way > it's used by now, we'll prohibit the traditional way the frame command > used to work... > > Did i overlook something? Good tip. I'll think of something, even if I have to introduce a "dyadframe" command :) The biggest problem is getting a good dump to test it on. Should have it done this weekend. Gary J. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 03:36:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA04888 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:36:37 -0800 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA04860 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:36:19 -0800 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA02246; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:35:09 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:35:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Ollivier Robert cc: "FreeBSD Hackers' list" Subject: Re: libpthreads has been ported to NetBSD 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199501122156.WAA05525@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > Hello, > > The lastest version of libpthreads (1.51.0) has been ported to NetBSD > 1.0. The FreeBSD port is 1.1... I remember someone saying that he has a > version of 2.0 too... Anyone care to look at it and try to re-port it to > 2.1 ? > > What_New > ------------------------------------------------------------ > For the 94/11/06 release version 1_51_0 > > This is a patch release of pthreads-1_50_3 plus patches patch-1_50_4 > through patch-1_50_14. > ------------------------------------------------------------ I have a version which appears to work fine with FreeBSD 2.0 and 2.1. It passes all the tests anyway. I will try any get my patches back to the author RSN and then see about putting it into the source tree for 2.1. -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 71 251 4411 FAX: +44 71 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 03:58:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA05864 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:58:03 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA05858 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:57:56 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA29354 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:56:42 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03448; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:31:33 +0300 To: Peter da Silva , Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu References: <9501130354.AA08433@cs.weber.edu> In-Reply-To: <9501130354.AA08433@cs.weber.edu>; from Terry Lambert at Thu, 12 Jan 95 20:54:50 MST Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:31:33 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Small syscons change Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 733 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9501130354.AA08433@cs.weber.edu> Terry Lambert writes: >> >> DEC's cute but bizzarre line wrap behaviour strikes again. >> >> You wouldn't believe what I had to do to get it to work right when emulating >> the VT100 on other terminals... >> >Where'd you do your work? >I did mine writing 'TERM' (from Century Software). >Nice to know who the competition was. 8^). This emulation done correctly into 'screen' package. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 04:05:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA06577 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:05:21 -0800 Received: from NS.netvision.net.il (root@ns.NetVision.net.il [192.114.201.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA06569 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:05:17 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by NS.netvision.net.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01591; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:05:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 14:05:52 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: Anyone working on the ipfirewall code ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, Stephen McKay Cc: Jakob Schripsema X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Anyway, I'm about to build a new kernel including the following patch: >(This is relative to 2.0R, and should fix the 'ipfw policy deny' crash, and >the inability to have both 'tcp' and 'udp' filters active simultaneously.) > >--- netinet/ip_fw.c.dist Tue Nov 8 22:47:27 1994 >+++ netinet/ip_fw.c Fri Jan 13 17:27:12 1995 >@@ -277,6 +277,7 @@ > * be ever accepted or rejected... > */ > >+#if 0 /* HEY, THIS CRAP AIN'T DOIN' ANYBODY ANY GOOD! */ This code WORKS and does actually good thing for those who want to see packets while they are rejected....If you don't need this it is still useful,for me as example:) > #ifdef IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE > /* > * VERY ugly piece of code which actually >@@ -306,6 +307,7 @@ > return(0); > } > #endif >+#endif /* CRAP */ > return(ip_fw_policy); > > } >@@ -371,8 +373,10 @@ > > if (newkind!=IP_FW_F_ALL > && oldkind!=IP_FW_F_ALL >- && oldkind!=newkind) >+ && oldkind!=newkind) { >+ chtmp_prev=chtmp; > continue; >+ } > /* > * Very very *UGLY* code... > * Sorry,but i had to do this.... > This patch is completely wrong but -current already patched from that problemm in another way.Sorry:) -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 04:10:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA06771 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:10:39 -0800 Received: from fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.1.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA06759 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:10:15 -0800 Received: by fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (5.61/1.34) id AA15877; Fri, 13 Jan 95 13:11:16 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 13:11:16 GMT From: gusw@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Gunther Schadow) Message-Id: <9501131311.AA15877@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de> To: gusw@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: new device driver for scanner Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jordan, > Hey, that's really great, thanks! [Translation: "Boah! Ist das aber Geil!!"] > :-) [Oops, where have you learned that german slang?] > > for people with other hardware. Will the driver work for other handys? Or > > will it work after only few modifications? Please send me your experiences > > and I am also willing to help. > > Will do. Let me see how hard this is to integrate - not very, I hope! :) What kind of scanner do you have? As long as it's semantics is similar the major changes would be in gscreg.h and in the geometry array in gsc.h. As soon as there is an other peace of hardware that uses different ports, I will invent an array which maps base port addresses x hardware types to the registers. I am currently working on code that uses larger dma buffers (64k) and will read one buffer in advance. This is because there is always a nasty stripe at the buffer boundaries when the scanner is in halftone mode. I expect to minimize the time that the scanner proceeds without any dma transaction running which occurs when the buffer is moved, inverted and read until it's again empty. There will be a new version coming soon. regards -Gunther From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 04:17:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA06991 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:17:35 -0800 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA06984 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:17:29 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-6) id AA03012; Fri, 13 Jan 95 13:17:08 +0100 Received: by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (OAA04751); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:22:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:22:56 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199501131322.OAA04751@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: yggdrasil plug and play and ISDN Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I bought a Linux YGGDRASIL package yesterday (Summer 94 edition - dunno if the one being discussed under the "guest account yygdrasil" subject in this list recently is a newer version) and tried to "plug and play". It behaved a bit oddly with respect to scsi detecting (it claimed to have found 2 scsi hosts but I actually only had a AH1542CF) and the installationgot hung. I inserted a PAS 16 and then the installation was able to continue. Also the X setup wasn't terribly smooth. The thing that was actually electrifying me was something like isdn_init() diehl_init() in the autodetect section. It looks like they have ISDN drivers and appropriate protocol stacks. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD 2.0.1-Development #0: Wed Nov 2 23:00:17 1994 root@mvx1b1:/usr/src/sys/compile/JAZZ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 04:32:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA07195 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:32:39 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA07189 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:32:38 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id EAA01610; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:32:24 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501131232.EAA01610@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: dgy@seagull.rtd.com (Don Yuniskis) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 04:32:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501130110.SAA09544@seagull.rtd.com> from "Don Yuniskis" at Jan 12, 95 06:10:24 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 346 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Greetings! > Does CVS, as installed, support "binary" files? I seem > to recall that was an option in the package... If we are talking about the FreeBSD CVS-tree: binaries are NOT welcome. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 05:53:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA09002 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 05:53:17 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA08995 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 05:53:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA00429 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:51:51 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199501131351.OAA00429@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: About readonly root partition To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:51:51 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1373 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Already posted this to -questions, but got no comments at all!) In the interest of better support for diskless and in general for multiple installations, it seems to me that it would be nice if /etc were *not* on the same filesystem as root, but rather in /var or some other location, so that each machine can have its own copy. Unfortunately, "init" looks for "rc" in "/etc", so mounting a new filesystem on /etc would as a minimum make the original "/etc/rc" unreadable, making it very difficult to modify it. At the same time, people are probably too much used to the existence of "/etc/rc" to move it somewhere else. So, How about letting "init" look for "/rc" instead/before looking for /etc/rc ? This would help in having the following: 1) a main "rc" is called, which does the initial checks; 2) mounts the proper filesystem onto /etc; 3) passes control to /etc/rc With the current setting, the above might still work except that, once the new /etc is mounted, the original /etc/rc is no more readable. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 05:56:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA09082 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 05:56:23 -0800 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA09076 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 05:56:14 -0800 Received: from ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.3]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA25174; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:53:39 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (wosch@localhost) by ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA12591; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:53:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:53:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199501131353.OAA12591@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FYI.. In-Reply-To: <9501121123.AA19448@blaise.ibp.fr> References: <199501121055.CAA24395@time.cdrom.com> <9501121123.AA19448@blaise.ibp.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier ROBERT writes: > > http://www.uni-hamburg.de/~bkr/ccc/presse/bsd-linux-entwicklung.html > > [Auf Deutsch] > > Could you summarize, I'm afraid I don't understand Deutsch... - cooperative software development in the internet - free OS (Linux/FreeBSD) - virtual software teams (core team members), virtual life [Who is Jordan K. Hubbard? A never sleeping daemon? Someone meet Jordan outside the net/in real life?] Wolfram From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 06:01:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA09469 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:01:26 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09463 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:01:22 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id GAA02104; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:01:02 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501131401.GAA02104@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:01:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131351.OAA00429@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jan 13, 95 02:51:51 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 278 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > (Already posted this to -questions, but got no comments at all!) Hi Luigi, I read it, bt I have not quite made up my mind yet... -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 06:09:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id GAA09654 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:09:36 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09646 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 06:09:33 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id PAA20135 ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 15:09:56 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25477; Fri, 13 Jan 95 15:10:01 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Message-Id: <9501131410.AA25477@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 15:10:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: dgy@seagull.rtd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501131232.EAA01610@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jan 13, 95 04:32:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 451 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If we are talking about the FreeBSD CVS-tree: binaries are NOT welcome. ...then have a look in perl directory, in the t/ qnd the t/op/... There is a file coming from the 'make test' target for the .db. The files are named op.lib.db or such. They're definitely binary. I'm sure that I've seen others. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #0: Thu Jan 12 00:41:32 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 07:03:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA10827 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:03:20 -0800 Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA10820 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:03:16 -0800 Received: by plains.NoDak.edu; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:03:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:03:00 -0600 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199501131503.AA12584@plains.NoDak.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: About readonly root partition Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In the interest of better support for diskless and in general for > multiple installations, it seems to me that it would be nice if > /etc were *not* on the same filesystem as root, but rather in /var or > some other location, so that each machine can have its own copy. IMHO this should be a local change not a distributed change. Also IMHO, we should push for DATALESS environments and discourage DISKLESS enviroments. disks are far too cheap to have a 40-60 meg drive for boot,swap,tmp,parts of var to save the network which will be saturated with the applications as it is. before you say it is too hard to upgrade software, the little that is not network mounted already can very easily and quickly installed on multiple machines using a rrestore from images. --mark "the broken reconf on this topic" From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 07:28:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA11666 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:28:23 -0800 Received: from moon.pr.erau.edu (moon.pr.erau.edu [192.101.135.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11657; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:28:20 -0800 Received: by moon.pr.erau.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #15) id m0rSnsb-00047KC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 08:25 MST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:25:33 -0700 (MST) From: Stephen Waits To: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: SMP Status? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am curious as to the status of possible SMP support in FreeBSD? I asked this once before and seem to remember someone working on it. --Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 07:30:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA11740 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:30:43 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11734 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:30:34 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17702; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:31:00 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id QAA12397 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:30:59 +0100 Received: by bonnie.tcd-dresden.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA25264; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:07:20 +0100 From: j@uriah.sax.de (J Wunsch) Message-Id: <199501131507.QAA25264@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Subject: Re: FYI.. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:07:19 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199501131353.OAA12591@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> from "Wolfram Schneider" at Jan 13, 95 02:53:32 pm X-Phone: +49-351-8141 137 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 787 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Wolfram Schneider wrote: | | > Could you summarize, I'm afraid I don't understand Deutsch... | ... | - virtual software teams (core team members), virtual life | [Who is Jordan K. Hubbard? A never sleeping daemon? Someone meet | Jordan outside the net/in real life?] Yup, i can confirm that he's more than a daemon. It's even been possible to invite him into the small city of Quedlinburg some weeks ago... Anyway, i still don't know if jkh and phk are actually different persons or just synonyms (so Jordan doesn't look too autocratic to the net). 8^) -- cheers, J"org work: --- no longer --- private: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 07:34:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA11826 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:34:39 -0800 Received: from foxtrot.innovus.com (foxtrot.innovus.com [192.75.186.38]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11820 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:34:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199501131534.HAA11820@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by foxtrot.innovus.com (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA17634; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:38:03 -0500 From: Martin Renters Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:38:02 EST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131351.OAA00429@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jan 13, 95 2:51 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In the interest of better support for diskless and in general for > multiple installations, it seems to me that it would be nice if > /etc were *not* on the same filesystem as root, but rather in /var or > some other location, so that each machine can have its own copy. > Unfortunately, "init" looks for "rc" in "/etc", so mounting a new > filesystem on /etc would as a minimum make the original "/etc/rc" > unreadable, making it very difficult to modify it. At the same time, > people are probably too much used to the existence of "/etc/rc" to move > it somewhere else. > So, How about letting "init" look for "/rc" instead/before > looking for /etc/rc ? This would help in having the following: > > 1) a main "rc" is called, which does the initial checks; > 2) mounts the proper filesystem onto /etc; > 3) passes control to /etc/rc > > With the current setting, the above might still work except that, once > the new /etc is mounted, the original /etc/rc is no more readable. /etc, /tmp, and /var all need to be separate for each diskless client. I do agree that it would be a good idea to do something to allow selective mounting at system startup time. Perhaps init could tell that it is running diskless and run some sort of shared '/etc/diskless.rc' script which could mount the correct /etc, /tmp and /var filesystems based on some system administrator defined scheme. An example /etc/diskless.rc might contain: mount server:/exports/etc/$hostname /etc mount server:/exports/tmp/$hostname /tmp mount server:/exports/var/$hostname /var And then execute /etc/rc (which would now be the system specific one) Martin From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 07:34:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA11839 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:34:45 -0800 Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@Seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11833 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:34:44 -0800 Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id IAA26166; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:34:15 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199501131534.IAA26166@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:34:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199501131351.OAA00429@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jan 13, 95 02:51:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 555 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So, How about letting "init" look for "/rc" instead/before > looking for /etc/rc ? This would help in having the following: > > 1) a main "rc" is called, which does the initial checks; > 2) mounts the proper filesystem onto /etc; > 3) passes control to /etc/rc > > With the current setting, the above might still work except that, once > the new /etc is mounted, the original /etc/rc is no more readable. Why not just hack /etc/rc to source /writeablefs/foorc which contains the "variable" (machine specific) stuff? Or, have I missed something? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 07:45:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA12055 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:45:18 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA12019 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:45:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA00703; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:41:27 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199501131541.QAA00703@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:41:27 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131503.AA12584@plains.NoDak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Jan 13, 95 09:02:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2479 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In the interest of better support for diskless and in general for > > multiple installations, it seems to me that it would be nice if > > /etc were *not* on the same filesystem as root, but rather in /var or > > some other location, so that each machine can have its own copy. > > IMHO this should be a local change not a distributed change. Also IMHO, we > should push for DATALESS environments and discourage DISKLESS enviroments. > disks are far too cheap to have a 40-60 meg drive for boot,swap,tmp,parts of > var to save the network which will be saturated with the applications as it is. My points are that 1) the proposed change (or something equivalent) helps in having a readonly root, which is good for a lot of uses, including running the system from a CD, running experimental kernels withouth risking to trash your system files, etc. etc.; as a side effect, it helps having DISKLESS environments, which at times are useful. 2) it does not break the world: /etc/rc is still there, it just gives you an additional option at the cost of a couple of lines of code in /sbin/init. DATALESS vs DISKLESS is another topic of discussion. I agree that swap, tmp, var *must* be local if possible, but that is already supported (I like it a lot having local swap, either on a dedicated partition or on the DOS filesystem[haven't tried the latter], and all the non-permanent, writable portion of the filesystem on mfs which in turn goes to the local swap). The usefulness of a local boot partition is questionable (to me at least), as the kernel is loaded only once. Coming to programs, it becomes hard to say what is going to be local and what not. Probably the VM system should know what's local and what is not, to choose the best policy: as an example, I may be wrong but I think that executable files are not usually saved to backing store because it is considered cheaper to recover the code from the filesystem. This might be a bad idea if swap is local (as it should always be) and the file is on an NFS filesystem. David and John might have some better comments on this subject. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 08:27:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA12790 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:27:11 -0800 Received: from karon.dynas.se (karon.dynas.se [192.71.43.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA12784 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:27:08 -0800 Received: from spirit.dynas.se by karon.dynas.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rSocv-000EUKC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 17:13:25 +0100 Received: by spirit.dynas.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #32) id m0rSocv-000JkPC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 17:13:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:13:25 +0100 (MET) From: Mikael Hybsch X-Sender: micke@spirit To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Beta version of driver for Sony CDU33A cdrom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have uploaded a driver for the Sony CDU33A CD-ROM to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/incoming/FreeBSD/scd.tar.gz The driver is almost complete. I can mount cdroms and play audio but there are some ioctls missing and some things could work better. The driver was written by reverse engineering the linux driver, and by "borrowing" ideas and code from the mcd driver. I called the file scd.c but when I should add it to files.i386 there were already a line for a scd driver at i386/isa/scd.c. Is someone else working on a driver for Sony or is this for something else? My drive is connected to a SB 16 MCD (both came with SB Discovery 16). The SB 16 MCD doesn't use interrupt, so that is left to do (for someone else, with a real Sony card). If people with Sony drives test this driver and send me bug reports or code I will try to maintain it (hoping that it later will be included in the source so I can install 2.1 from CD). -- Mikael Hybsch Email: micke@dynas.se DynaSoft, Dynamic Software AB Phone: +46-8-615 84 00 Hammarby Fabriksv 13, Box 92058 Fax: +46-8-641 92 00 S-120 06 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 08:28:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA12814 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:28:04 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12808 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:28:03 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03431; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:27:41 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501131627.IAA03431@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:27:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: dgy@seagull.rtd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9501131410.AA25477@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier ROBERT" at Jan 13, 95 03:10:00 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 755 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > If we are talking about the FreeBSD CVS-tree: binaries are NOT welcome. > > ...then have a look in perl directory, in the t/ qnd the t/op/... > > There is a file coming from the 'make test' target for the .db. The files > are named op.lib.db or such. > > They're definitely binary. I'm sure that I've seen others. I have a complete list already. If I had the time I would hunt them down, as I did once before already. PLEASE DON'T COMMIT BINARIES INTO THE TREE. A good definition of "not binary": The file has no 0x00 or 0xff in it. The last byte is 0x0a diff(1) and vi(1) doesn't choke on it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 08:30:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA12885 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:30:34 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12878 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:30:33 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03455; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:30:11 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501131630.IAA03455@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:30:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it In-Reply-To: <199501131503.AA12584@plains.NoDak.edu> from "Mark Tinguely" at Jan 13, 95 09:03:00 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 922 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In the interest of better support for diskless and in general for > > multiple installations, it seems to me that it would be nice if > > /etc were *not* on the same filesystem as root, but rather in /var or > > some other location, so that each machine can have its own copy. > > IMHO this should be a local change not a distributed change. Also IMHO, we > should push for DATALESS environments and discourage DISKLESS enviroments. > disks are far too cheap to have a 40-60 meg drive for boot,swap,tmp,parts of > var to save the network which will be saturated with the applications as it is. I have a lot of success with diskless, because people have various microsloth pseudo-os's on their disk for business reasons. We are not in the preaching business anyway... -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 08:34:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA12971 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:34:12 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12965 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:34:11 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03479; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:32:49 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501131632.IAA03479@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: FYI.. To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:32:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131507.QAA25264@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jan 13, 95 04:07:19 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 365 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, i still don't know if jkh and phk are actually different > persons or just synonyms (so Jordan doesn't look too autocratic to the > net). 8^) Now, that was a nice way to gain two enemies in one sentence. :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 08:36:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA13014 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:36:09 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA13008 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:36:08 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA03497; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:34:18 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501131634.IAA03497@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: martin@innovus.com (Martin Renters) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:34:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131534.HAA11820@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Martin Renters" at Jan 13, 95 10:38:02 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 444 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I do agree that it would be a good idea to do something to allow selective > mounting at system startup time. Perhaps init could tell that it is running > diskless and run some sort of shared '/etc/diskless.rc' script which could if you have a hostname, then you are diskless. Otherwise: not so. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 09:01:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA13324 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:01:27 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA13318 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:01:26 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02484; Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:57:28 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9501131657.AA02484@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: martin@innovus.com (Martin Renters) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:57:27 -0600 (CST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131534.HAA11820@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Martin Renters" at Jan 13, 95 10:38:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4047 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > So, How about letting "init" look for "/rc" instead/before > > looking for /etc/rc ? This would help in having the following: > > > > 1) a main "rc" is called, which does the initial checks; > > 2) mounts the proper filesystem onto /etc; > > 3) passes control to /etc/rc > > > > With the current setting, the above might still work except that, once > > the new /etc is mounted, the original /etc/rc is no more readable. > > /etc, /tmp, and /var all need to be separate for each diskless client. > > I do agree that it would be a good idea to do something to allow selective > mounting at system startup time. Perhaps init could tell that it is running > diskless and run some sort of shared '/etc/diskless.rc' script which could > mount the correct /etc, /tmp and /var filesystems based on some system > administrator defined scheme. > > An example /etc/diskless.rc might contain: > > mount server:/exports/etc/$hostname /etc > mount server:/exports/tmp/$hostname /tmp > mount server:/exports/var/$hostname /var > > And then execute /etc/rc (which would now be the system specific one) Perhaps define a search path for "rc" in init? "/sbin/rc:/etc/rc" and by default do not provide an /sbin/rc. If one exists, in this case, it could be something like mount server:/exports/etc/$hostname /etc . /etc/rc I hacked around this by making my root NFS partition writable (bypassing all these problems). I have always hacked around similar problems in the past, as well. Typically I mount / rw, and /usr ro, which means that I have to have a per-system /, but I have a little script that hardlinks share-able files rather than copying them, so that in essence /etc, /var, and /tmp are unique on each box, but /bin's binaries are shared. My little wonder-script to do this is appended at the end. Tailored for our local environment, alas. It's cheesy, it's quick, it's dirty. No apologies. :-) brasil is my SunOS 4.1.3 workstation with lotsa disk. I'm always shopping for a better solution, though... People are arguing things about DISKLESS being undesirable and the like, but in reality I find that it is very effective to be able to walk up to an arbitrary PC here at work, cram a disk in, and be running UNIX and X a few minutes later. Very impressive demonstration of a technically superior operating system. ;-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - The Data Capture Fellow (and UNIX/Network Hacker) 414/362-3617 Marquette Electronics, Inc. - Milwaukee, WI jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com % cat /nfs/2.0S/root/dup #! /bin/sh - master=master dup=$1 mkdir ${dup} (cd $master; find * -print) | ( while read i; do if [ -h ${master}/$i ]; then echo symlink `ls -l ${master}/$i | awk '{print $10}'` ${dup}/$i ln -s `ls -l ${master}/$i | awk '{print $10}'` ${dup}/$i continue; fi if [ -f ${master}/$i ]; then case "$i" in etc/*|var/*) echo copy ${master}/$i ${dup}/$i cp -p ${master}/$i ${dup}/$i;; *) echo link ${master}/$i ${dup}/$i ln ${master}/$i ${dup}/$i esac continue; fi if [ -d ${master}/$i ]; then echo mkdir ${dup}/$i mkdir ${dup}/$i chown -f `ls -ldg ${master}/$i | awk '{print $3 "." $4}'` ${dup}/$i continue; fi if [ -c ${master}/$i ]; then continue; fi if [ -b ${master}/$i ]; then continue; fi if [ -p ${master}/$i ]; then continue; fi done ) chmod 1777 ${dup}/tmp ${dup}/var/tmp echo ${dup} > ${dup}/etc/myname chmod 644 ${dup}/etc/myname echo ${dup} > ${dup}/etc/hostname.ed0 chmod 644 ${dup}/etc/hostname.ed0 echo "151.186.20.4 brasil" >> ${dup}/etc/hosts echo "151.186.20.x ${dup}" >> ${dup}/etc/hosts vi + ${dup}/etc/hosts ( echo "brasil:/nfs/2.0S/root/${dup} / nfs rw 0 0" echo "brasil:/nfs/2.0S/usr /usr nfs ro 0 0" echo "brasil:/nfs/2.0S/usrsrc /usr/src nfs ro 0 0" echo "brasil:/nfs/2.0S/local /usr/local nfs ro 0 0" echo "brasil:/nfs/2.0S/X11R6 /usr/X11R6 nfs ro 0 0" ) > ${dup}/etc/fstab chmod 644 ${dup}/etc/fstab From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 10:06:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA14773 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:06:45 -0800 Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA14767 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:06:43 -0800 Received: from [192.245.33.12] by gateway.cybernet.com (8.6.8/1.0A) id NAA28728; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:40:23 -0500 X-Sender: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:15:25 -0500 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) Subject: Re: FYI.. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [Who is Jordan K. Hubbard? A never sleeping daemon? Someone meet > Jordan outside the net/in real life?] > Who is the guy in the Walnut Creek catalog's picture "checking on wcarchive.cdrom.com"? Is that Jordan? Does he have a beard? -Mark Taylor mtaylor@cybernet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 10:16:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA14919 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:16:45 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA14913 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:16:43 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10574; Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:10:18 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501131810.AA10574@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Small syscons change To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:10:17 MST Cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501130428.WAA00966@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jan 12, 95 10:28:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I did it in-house so people could use VMS software on non-DEC terminals. It > was tested to work (defined as being usable, not crashing) even with a > televideo > terminal versus the VT100 torture test. I never used Term, but compared to > Procomm we were way ahead. This is basically what TERM does, plus file transfer and scripting, of course. Emulating a VT100 on Wyse and IBM 3101's was one of the reasons it was written. > DEC sold our people on their SMG library, then when the systems were delivered > we found that nothing important actually used SMG, so I pulled the VT100 code > out of a shareware terminal emulator I did back in '82 and made it a bit more > robust. "If SMG is so good, then why doesn't EDT use it". 8-) 8-). > Some of the "genuine" vt100 behaviour was only documented as "EDT on RSX-11/M > generates this sequence and it does this"... I would swear DEC engineers were > *using* bugs in the implementation. Actually, the main VT100'ism (like insert/delete character/line) *are* documented. The thing that's missing by default from the manuals is a good description of scroll regions, and most of the AVO (Advanced Video Option) stuff. A VT102 is a VT100 with AVO built in, and a VT102P is a VT100 with AVO and printer controls. There's actually a VT102P manual (about 5 times thicker than the VT100 manual), and the VT340 manuals also cover everything. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 10:20:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA14978 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:20:12 -0800 Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (mailhost2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA14971 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:20:11 -0800 Received: from crosby.apl.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06310; Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:19:57 -0800 Received: by crosby.apl.washington.edu.apl.washington.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26839; Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:19:55 PST From: kargl@crosby.apl.washington.edu (Steven G. Kargl) Message-Id: <9501131819.AA26839@crosby.apl.washington.edu.apl.washington.edu> Subject: 950112-SNAP floppy bug To: jkh@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Priority: urgent X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2950 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan, I think the new install is a little fubar at the moment. I had two serious problems upgrading from 1.1.5.1 to the 2.0-950112-SNAP. I started with a existing DOS/1.1.5.1 system where the DOS partition was 125 MB and 1151 partition was 396 MB. I decided to reduce the DOS space to 95 MB and use the freed space for a /pub partition under 2.0. So, booted DOS; fdisk /mbr (replace os-bs); fdisk delete primary DOS (125MB); create new primary DOS (95MB); exit fdisk; re-install DOS. This leaves a ~30 MB hole between my new DOS partition and the old 1151 partition. Now, boot boot_144.flp; go to install; choose fdisk; edit to create new 2.0 partition (426MB); write partition, write new boot blocks; exit. All is well up to this point. I go to disklabel and find that the program reads my old 1151 disklabel. No problem I can edit the disklabel. I enter the approriate values (in MBs) for my 2.0 partition, but I notice that the DOS portion of the disklabel contains the old 1151 description of 125MB starting at sector 32 and ending at 255xxx. This overlaps the 2.0 partition which starts around 195xxx. I go to edit the DOS portion of the disklabel and it refuses to alter the DOS description. So, I go back to fdisk and read the partition info. The info is correct. I go to disklabel, try to edit, but it still claims I have a 125MB DOS partition. Boot DOS; delete non-DOS partition. Boot boot_144.flp go through install procedure; fdisk create 2.0 partition; go to disklabel; the dos description is correct. Label the disk and continue on my merry way. Anyway, it appears that the disklabel portion of the install does not check the disk partition table for valid partition info if it finds that the disk has previously been label. My 30MB hole seems to confuse the process. The second problem concerns FTP installation and extractions of the various distribution. I retrieved bindist from ftp.freebsd.org and extracted. Everything goes fine. I answer "yes" to delete /usr/tmp/bindist. I, then, deselect bindist and mark manpages. The files are retrieved, the checksum compute, and the GUI screen reports manpage distribtion is being extracted. Well, I toggled over to ALT-F2 and it reports that the bindist is being extracted. I watch. When the 2nd bindist extraction is completed the manpages are extracted. I figure I screwed up. So, I answer yes to delete /usr/tmp/manpage. I then select scrdist, only. The files are retrieved, checksum computed, and extraction starts. ALT-F2 reports that bindist is extracted, then manpages, then scrdist. It seems that if you select bindist, manpage, srcdist, XFree, and libcompat, then bindist is extracted 5 times, manpages 4 times, srcdist 3 times, libcompat 2 times, and Xfree once. There has to be a problem with the extract.sh Steven G. Kargl Applied Physics Lab PS: All-in-all, the new installation floppies appear to be converging to a nice piece of work. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 10:44:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA15339 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:44:25 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA15333 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:44:24 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10642; Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:38:21 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501131838.AA10642@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: About readonly root partition To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:38:20 MST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131351.OAA00429@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jan 13, 95 02:51:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > (Already posted this to -questions, but got no comments at all!) > > In the interest of better support for diskless and in general for > multiple installations, it seems to me that it would be nice if > /etc were *not* on the same filesystem as root, but rather in /var or > some other location, so that each machine can have its own copy. > Unfortunately, "init" looks for "rc" in "/etc", so mounting a new > filesystem on /etc would as a minimum make the original "/etc/rc" > unreadable, making it very difficult to modify it. At the same time, > people are probably too much used to the existence of "/etc/rc" to move > it somewhere else. > So, How about letting "init" look for "/rc" instead/before > looking for /etc/rc ? This would help in having the following: > > 1) a main "rc" is called, which does the initial checks; > 2) mounts the proper filesystem onto /etc; > 3) passes control to /etc/rc > > With the current setting, the above might still work except that, once > the new /etc is mounted, the original /etc/rc is no more readable. It seems to me that you could do the same thing with a symlink in /etc on a root partition, which is later mounted over with a sperate /etc via NFS/local disk. The mounted-over partition need not be the same as the mounting partition. This would seem to cover the bases of needing to mount over /etc while a file it "contained" was in use... Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 10:49:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA15437 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:49:58 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA15427 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:49:45 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA16328 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for freebsd.org!hackers); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 12:12:26 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA01978; 13 Jan 95 10:49:42 CST (Fri) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01975 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:49:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199501131649.KAA01975@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Soundcards and interruptless drivers and lost characters, oh my! X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:49:40 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, so I set my soundcard to IRQ 7 and selected device lpt0 at isa? port? tty device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vector sbintr which should have run the driver interruptless and did a config and a make depend and a make and when it all came up I could play .au files out /dev/audio fine, but I was losing mondo characters on the printer port. What am I doing wrong? FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 soundblaster value edition generic I/O card... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 10:54:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA15508 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:54:50 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA15502 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:54:49 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10722; Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:48:41 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9501131848.AA10722@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:48:40 MST Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, dgy@seagull.rtd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199501131627.IAA03431@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jan 13, 95 08:27:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > If we are talking about the FreeBSD CVS-tree: binaries are NOT welcome. > > > > ...then have a look in perl directory, in the t/ qnd the t/op/... > > > > There is a file coming from the 'make test' target for the .db. The files > > are named op.lib.db or such. > > > > They're definitely binary. I'm sure that I've seen others. > > I have a complete list already. If I had the time I would hunt them down, > as I did once before already. > > PLEASE DON'T COMMIT BINARIES INTO THE TREE. > > A good definition of "not binary": > > The file has no 0x00 or 0xff in it. > The last byte is 0x0a > diff(1) and vi(1) doesn't choke on it. This definition would fit a uuencoded binary. Is this acceptable? You could even put versioning in shell comments at the top. The advantage to binaries in the tree is that it allows for inclusion of binary-but-not-source-redistributable code. For instance, an Adaptec driver written with Adaptec non-disclosure and distributed as binary code. Or a Computone, or Arnet, or Digiboard driver. Or a Diamond VGA driver. Or the Intel/MACH math emulator, assuming Intel OK'ed it. The hack is to do auto encoding.decoding on insertion/extraction. And that's actually a deficiency in CVS that it doesn't do it already, but one that can be worked around with Makefile targets if one doesn't want to sully pure, clean CVS with the job. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 11:00:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA15540 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:00:36 -0800 Received: from vmbb.cts.com (vmbb.cts.com [192.188.72.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA15534 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:00:34 -0800 Received: from io.cts.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rSrEP-00002kC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:00 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA15020 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:41:27 -0800 From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199501131841.KAA15020@io.cts.com> Subject: -current build fails on share/doc To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 423 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Commenting out doc in the share/Makefile allows -current to build correctly. (See my previous message with details where it bombs out). Looks like that hierarchy needs some attention. Here's the fix for now: # @(#)Makefile 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/5/93 #SUBDIR= FAQ dict doc examples man me misc mk skel syscons \ SUBDIR= FAQ dict examples man me misc mk skel syscons \ tabset termcap tmac zoneinfo .include From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 11:21:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA15727 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:21:44 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15721 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:21:42 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA25089 ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:21:48 +0100 Received: from ouranos.ibp.fr (ouranos.ibp.fr [132.227.64.28]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA07563 ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:21:02 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ouranos.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id UAA04379 ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:18:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199501131918.UAA04379@ouranos.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: -current build fails on share/doc To: root@io.cts.com (Morgan Davis) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:18:33 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131841.KAA15020@io.cts.com> from "Morgan Davis" at Jan 13, 95 10:41:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 928 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Commenting out doc in the share/Makefile allows -current to build > correctly. (See my previous message with details where it > bombs out). Looks like that hierarchy needs some attention. Here's > the fix for now: > > # @(#)Makefile 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/5/93 > > #SUBDIR= FAQ dict doc examples man me misc mk skel syscons \ > SUBDIR= FAQ dict examples man me misc mk skel syscons \ > tabset termcap tmac zoneinfo > > .include > I guess that you don't have the games source tree on your machine. The Makefiles in share/doc/usd/30.rogue and share/doc/usd/31.trek refer to files in games/rogue/USD.doc and games/trek/USD.doc. This is infortunate for people who don't want to waste disk space for the games source distribution (like me :-). I think that the Makefiles in 30.rogue and 31.trek should check for the presence of the games and default to no operation if this subtree is not present. Remy From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 11:27:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA15767 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:27:57 -0800 Received: from vmbb.cts.com (vmbb.cts.com [192.188.72.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA15761 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:27:54 -0800 Received: from io.cts.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rSreq-0000UNC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 11:27 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA00266; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:20:47 -0800 From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199501131920.LAA00266@io.cts.com> Subject: Re: -current build fails on share/doc To: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131918.UAA04379@ouranos.ibp.fr> from "Remy CARD" at Jan 13, 95 08:18:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 404 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Remy CARD writes: > > I guess that you don't have the games source tree on your machine. Bingo. > ...This is infortunate for people > who don't want to waste disk space for the games source distribution > (like me :-). ...and me. > I think that the Makefiles in 30.rogue and 31.trek should check > for the presence of the games and default to no operation if this subtree > is not present. Ditto. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 11:51:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA16252 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:51:55 -0800 Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@Seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA16246 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 11:51:54 -0800 Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id MAA02345; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 12:51:35 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199501131951.MAA02345@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 12:51:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9501131848.AA10722@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jan 13, 95 11:48:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 295 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > A good definition of "not binary": > > > > The file has no 0x00 or 0xff in it. > > The last byte is 0x0a > > diff(1) and vi(1) doesn't choke on it. > > This definition would fit a uuencoded binary. > > Is this acceptable? I believe some of the syscons stuff (fonts?) is so encoded... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 13:16:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA18166 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:16:10 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA18158 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:16:01 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA26025 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:16:45 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA08146 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:15:59 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id WAA15468 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:13:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199501132113.WAA15468@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Patch for sbin/sysinstall/Makefile To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:13:26 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 668 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The Makefile in sbin/sysinstall is broken. Make fails if the source tree is not stored in /usr/src. Can someone please commit this patch? Thanks Remy *** sbin/sysinstall/Makefile.orig Fri Jan 13 21:47:42 1995 --- sbin/sysinstall/Makefile Fri Jan 13 21:47:51 1995 *************** *** 2,8 **** MANEXT = 1 NOMAN= yet ! .PATH: /usr/src/sbin/disklabel SRCS = exec.c dkcksum.c label.c main.c mbr.c \ stage0.c stage1.c stage2.c stage3.c stage4.c stage5.c \ --- 2,8 ---- MANEXT = 1 NOMAN= yet ! .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../disklabel SRCS = exec.c dkcksum.c label.c main.c mbr.c \ stage0.c stage1.c stage2.c stage3.c stage4.c stage5.c \ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 14:15:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA19274 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:15:05 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19267 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:15:01 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA26488 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:15:38 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA08477 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:14:52 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id XAA15635 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:12:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199501132212.XAA15635@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Linux partitions ids To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:12:21 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1813 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The enclosed patch changes fdisk and sysinstall to make them distinguish Linux swap and filesystem partitions. It also makes fdisk consistent with sysinstall when displaying the type of a *BSD partition. Can someone please commit it? Thanks Remy *** sbin/sysinstall/mbr.h.orig Fri Jan 13 22:52:31 1995 --- sbin/sysinstall/mbr.h Fri Jan 13 22:53:15 1995 *************** *** 55,61 **** ,{0x75, "PCIX"} \ ,{0x80, "Minix 1.1 ... 1.4a"} \ ,{0x81, "Minix 1.4b ... 1.5.10"} \ ! ,{0x82, "Linux"} \ ,{0x93, "Amoeba filesystem"} \ ,{0x94, "Amoeba bad block table"} \ ,{0xA5, "FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD"} \ --- 55,62 ---- ,{0x75, "PCIX"} \ ,{0x80, "Minix 1.1 ... 1.4a"} \ ,{0x81, "Minix 1.4b ... 1.5.10"} \ ! ,{0x82, "Linux swap"} \ ! ,{0x83, "Linux filesystem"} \ ,{0x93, "Amoeba filesystem"} \ ,{0x94, "Amoeba bad block table"} \ ,{0xA5, "FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD"} \ *** sbin/i386/fdisk/fdisk.c.orig Fri Jan 13 22:53:32 1995 --- sbin/i386/fdisk/fdisk.c Fri Jan 13 22:54:26 1995 *************** *** 152,161 **** ,{0x75, "PCIX"} ,{0x80, "Minix 1.1 ... 1.4a"} ,{0x81, "Minix 1.4b ... 1.5.10"} ! ,{0x82, "Linux"} ,{0x93, "Amoeba filesystem"} ,{0x94, "Amoeba bad block table"} ! ,{0xA5, "386BSD"} ,{0xB7, "BSDI BSD/386 filesystem"} ,{0xB8, "BSDI BSD/386 swap"} ,{0xDB, "Concurrent CPM or C.DOS or CTOS"} --- 152,162 ---- ,{0x75, "PCIX"} ,{0x80, "Minix 1.1 ... 1.4a"} ,{0x81, "Minix 1.4b ... 1.5.10"} ! ,{0x82, "Linux swap"} ! ,{0x83, "Linux filesystem"} ,{0x93, "Amoeba filesystem"} ,{0x94, "Amoeba bad block table"} ! ,{0xA5, "FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD"} ,{0xB7, "BSDI BSD/386 filesystem"} ,{0xB8, "BSDI BSD/386 swap"} ,{0xDB, "Concurrent CPM or C.DOS or CTOS"} From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 14:45:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA19681 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:45:58 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19675 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:45:55 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.9/1.53) id XAA11279; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:45:01 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199501132245.XAA11279@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: FYI.. To: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schneider) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:45:01 +0100 (MET) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501131353.OAA12591@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> from "Wolfram Schneider" at Jan 13, 95 02:53:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 597 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > - cooperative software development in the internet > - free OS (Linux/FreeBSD) > - virtual software teams (core team members), virtual life > [Who is Jordan K. Hubbard? A never sleeping daemon? Someone meet > Jordan outside the net/in real life?] > Yes! Actually ate a pizza with him (if I recall well ;-)). Anyway he's nice and was able to withstand my overactive appearance ;-) But to see him as a daemn..nah... The best description of the appearance of him and Rod Grimes at the NLUUG conference last year was a kind of 'Laurel and Hardy of the OS world' ;-))) > Wolfram > -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 16:40:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA22163 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:40:41 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA22157 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:40:39 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03244; Fri, 13 Jan 95 18:38:20 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9501140038.AA03244@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: SLIP/PPP over a pty. To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:38:19 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1388 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Revisiting old business: I had mentioned ages ago that it could be handy for certain purposes to run pppd or sliplogin on a pty. Under 1.something, it was not possible, but somebody suggested that it should be possible with a few minor changes in the pty code. I honestly don't know if this was ever done. Specific scenario: I am on a secure corporate network, well connected. I have my trusty 386sx/16 terminal server. I have another 386sx/16 with a friend's hard disk, and have loaded 2.0R onto it. I'd _like_ to connect the new box via PPP to my friend's old box, which would be helpful while configuring and putzing around, but his old box is a 24/7 system, and the one available modem is running a PPP link to the Internet. This suggests that I have a data path: 386sx/16 --> terminal server --> telnet to friend's old box via Inet --> pppd If only pppd would talk to a pty. I lost the original message(s) about this that I sent some time ago - or at least cannot find them. Could some kind TTY hacker please comment? (looking through the tty code reveals a few things: the manpage for 4 tty is out of date and refers you to for a discussion of TTYDISC/TABLDISC/SLIPDISC, by the way - wrong.) I suspect it has something to do with the code in tty.c dealing with TIOCSETD, but I don't have any familiarity with the tty code... Thanks, ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 16:47:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA22230 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:47:36 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA22224 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 16:47:34 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id BAA27440 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 01:48:18 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27458; Sat, 14 Jan 95 01:48:22 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.6.9/keltia-uucp-1.21) id BAA00233 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 01:42:06 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199501140042.BAA00233@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Take UCONSOLE back in please... To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers' list) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 01:42:05 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#277 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 805 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm afraid you were wrong Jordan... Could you please add UCONSOLE back ? jkh 95/01/12 07:37:17 Modified: sys/i386/conf GENERIC LINT Log: 1. Remove UCONSOLE. This appears to be well and truly dead (unless it's hiding someplace in /sys I can't find). Look into /sys/kern/tty.c: if (*(int *)data) { if (constty && constty != tp && ISSET(constty->t_state, TS_CARR_ON | TS_ISOPEN) == (TS_CARR_ON | TS_ISOPEN)) return (EBUSY); #ifndef UCONSOLE if (error = suser(p->p_ucred, &p->p_acflag)) return (error); #endif I don't want to have xconsole (which now fail with "Couldn't open console") setuid root. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #0: Thu Jan 12 00:41:32 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 17:19:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA22967 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:19:08 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA22961 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:19:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29392; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:18:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: FYI.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 16:07:19 +0100." <199501131507.QAA25264@bonnie.tcd-dresden.de> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:18:22 -0800 Message-ID: <29391.790046302@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yup, i can confirm that he's more than a daemon. It's even been > possible to invite him into the small city of Quedlinburg some weeks > ago... And boy, wasn't that any easy place to find! :-) > Anyway, i still don't know if jkh and phk are actually different > persons or just synonyms (so Jordan doesn't look too autocratic to the > net). 8^) Argh! He found me out! I admit it - I just put on this cheesy looking beard, wrap a scarf around my neck and speak in broken english. So far it's worked, but now I have to invent another alias. Drat! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 17:31:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA23252 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:31:44 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA23246 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:31:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29507; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:31:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Mikael Hybsch cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Beta version of driver for Sony CDU33A cdrom In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 17:13:25 +0100." Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: <29505.790047080@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have uploaded a driver for the Sony CDU33A CD-ROM to > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/incoming/FreeBSD/scd.tar.gz Thank you!! I'm looking into integrating this now. This will make a great addition to 2.1! Thanks again.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 17:44:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA23654 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:44:03 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA23644 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:44:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29857; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:43:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Mikael Hybsch cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Beta version of driver for Sony CDU33A cdrom In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 17:13:25 +0100." Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <29855.790047818@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I called the file scd.c but when I should add it > to files.i386 there were already a line for a scd driver at > i386/isa/scd.c. Is someone else working on a driver for Sony > or is this for something else? I believe Andreas was saving a place for the eventual drivers, which it appears you've got! :-) If he had a driver, he'd have committed it into /sys/i386/isa by now. I'm using the existing scd entry for driver, which means that the major number is going to be 16 [bdev] and 45 [cdev] for yours. > The SB 16 MCD doesn't use interrupt, so that is left to do (for someone > else, with a real Sony card). So you're saying that no IRQ is currently needed? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 17:48:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA23884 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:48:43 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA23878 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:48:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29941; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:48:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FYI.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 13:15:25 EST." Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:48:12 -0800 Message-ID: <29940.790048092@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Who is the guy in the Walnut Creek catalog's picture "checking on > wcarchive.cdrom.com"? Is that Jordan? Does he have a beard? Yes, but I shaved it off.. :-) If you look _reeel close_ you can see the FreeBSD T-shirt I'm wearing (and trying very much to show the camera :-). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 17:53:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA24058 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:53:36 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA24052; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:53:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29979; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:53:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: kargl@crosby.apl.washington.edu (Steven G. Kargl) cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 950112-SNAP floppy bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:19:54 PST." <9501131819.AA26839@crosby.apl.washington.edu.apl.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:53:13 -0800 Message-ID: <29978.790048393@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, it appears that the disklabel portion of the install does > not check the disk partition table for valid partition info if it > finds that the disk has previously been label. My 30MB hole seems > to confuse the process. Poul/Paul - comments here? > It seems that if you select bindist, manpage, srcdist, XFree, and > libcompat, then bindist is extracted 5 times, manpages 4 times, srcdist > 3 times, libcompat 2 times, and Xfree once. Hmmmmmm!!! I think this is some evil with Poul's all-singing, all dancing magic extract.sh that has never actually worked. I voted for making it know how to extract ONE kind of distribution in the beginning, was overruled, and now it looks like I'm about to have my way after all as this is simply not acceptable. I'll look into it. Looks like I'll be rolling another snapshot soon after all, since a lot of changes have hit the tree recently. Sigh.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 18:08:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA24628 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:08:28 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA24621 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:08:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00152; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:07:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter da Silva cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Soundcards and interruptless drivers and lost characters, oh my! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:49:40 CST." <199501131649.KAA01975@bonkers.taronga.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:07:53 -0800 Message-ID: <151.790049273@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK, so I set my soundcard to IRQ 7 and selected > > device lpt0 at isa? port? tty > device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vector sbintr > > which should have run the driver interruptless and did a config and a I'll bet you your parallel port card is still sharing IRQ 7 though. I'm not surprised. Don't do this - it's evil! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 18:21:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25102 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:21:15 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25096 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:21:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00308; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:20:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Patch for sbin/sysinstall/Makefile In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 22:13:26 +0100." <199501132113.WAA15468@ares.ibp.fr> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:20:57 -0800 Message-ID: <307.790050057@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The Makefile in sbin/sysinstall is broken. Make fails if the > source tree is not stored in /usr/src. Fixed, thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 18:24:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25204 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:24:19 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25196 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:24:14 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA00485; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:23:08 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199501140223.SAA00485@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Soundcards and interruptless drivers and lost characters, oh my! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:23:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <151.790049273@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 13, 95 06:07:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 680 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > OK, so I set my soundcard to IRQ 7 and selected > > > > device lpt0 at isa? port? tty > > device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vector sbintr > > > > which should have run the driver interruptless and did a config and a > > I'll bet you your parallel port card is still sharing IRQ 7 though. > I'm not surprised. Don't do this - it's evil! If your card has a jumper on it to select IRQ5 or IRQ7, simple remove the jumper and this should eliminate the driving conflict. > Jordan -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 18:28:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25470 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:28:51 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25463 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:28:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00439; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:28:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) cc: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schneider), roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FYI.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 23:45:01 +0100." <199501132245.XAA11279@gvr.win.tue.nl> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:28:20 -0800 Message-ID: <438.790050500@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The best description of the appearance of him and Rod Grimes at the > NLUUG conference last year was a kind of 'Laurel and Hardy of the > OS world' ;-))) I don't know how, and I don't know when, but someday I'm going to get you for that, Guido! :-) P.S. I'm not *that* fat. It's just that Rod is very, very, thin! :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 18:29:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25536 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:29:37 -0800 Received: from uuneo.neosoft.com (uuneo.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25528 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:29:36 -0800 Received: (from mailman@localhost) by uuneo.neosoft.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA25468 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:29:20 -0600 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com(198.65.161.214) by uuneo.neosoft.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025429; Fri Jan 13 20:28:46 1995 Received: (from dbaker@localhost) by concorde.neosoft.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA00333; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:29:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:29:11 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Baker To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Colorado 250 Tape Drive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hackers -- How can I backup my computer? I have a colorado 250 tape drive, but it dosen't seem to reconize it, how can I get it to? Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft FTP/UseNet Administrator (713)531-8571 DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 18:39:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA26020 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:39:50 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA26014 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:39:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00519; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:39:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers' list) Subject: Re: Take UCONSOLE back in please... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jan 95 01:42:05 +0100." <199501140042.BAA00233@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 18:39:32 -0800 Message-ID: <518.790051172@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm afraid you were wrong Jordan... Could you please add UCONSOLE back ? Done! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 19:40:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA29987 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:40:08 -0800 Received: from hermes.cybernetics.net (hermes.cybernetics.net [198.80.51.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA29979 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:40:05 -0800 Received: (from james@localhost) by hermes.cybernetics.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA10176; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:50:01 -0500 From: James Robinson Message-Id: <199501140350.WAA10176@hermes.cybernetics.net> Subject: Re: FYI.. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:50:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <29940.790048092@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 13, 95 05:48:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 859 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, but I shaved it off.. :-) If you look _reeel close_ you can see > the FreeBSD T-shirt I'm wearing (and trying very much to show the > camera :-). > I'll bet that the truth is closer to: As Jordan leaned down to check on wcarchive, freefall et al, his beard became caught in one of the hard drives, causing all of the downtime about then !!! There's more to that smiley than meets the eye, you see. How many shirts did you all sell? I bought one (not exactly flagged any girls down in it, though). Good quality T shirt in any event! : James Robinson : james@hermes.cybernetics.net ::See the screaming hot black :FreeBSD|XFree86 :The best things in life are Free:: steaming iridescent : Frank Zappa : Music is the best ::naughahyde python screaming : HTTP Server : http://hermes.cybernetics.net/ :: steam roller! From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 19:51:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA00669 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:51:40 -0800 Received: from pyromania.apana.org.au (pyromania.apana.org.au [202.12.87.123]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA00648 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:51:29 -0800 Received: (from john@localhost) by pyromania.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA10402; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:51:55 +1100 From: John Herks Message-Id: <199501140351.OAA10402@pyromania.apana.org.au> Subject: wu-ftpd-2.4 with FreeBSD 2.0R To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:51:55 +1100 (EST) Cc: bryan@fegmania.wustl.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1002 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have just compiled wu-ftpd-2.4 ftp server for my FreeBSD machine.. Everything seems to work ok except the xferlog routing in ftpd.c.. When I turn xferlogging on (it creates the file /var/log/xferlog) after you ftp a file the server crashes and dumps the core.. If you turn xfer logging off (in the ftpaccess file) it works ok.. Is there any modifications that need to be made to the dolog routine in ftpd.c ?? Any help would be appreciated. Rgds, \|/ (@ @) ----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------------- ``` ''' John Herks Communications Engineer Pyromania Unix Melbourne john@pyromania.apana.org.au Phone:+613-220-4757 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:04:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA01388 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:04:54 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA01382 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:04:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00977; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:03:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: James Robinson cc: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FYI.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 22:50:01 EST." <199501140350.WAA10176@hermes.cybernetics.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:03:18 -0800 Message-ID: <975.790056198@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Jordan leaned down to check on wcarchive, freefall et al, his > beard became caught in one of the hard drives, causing all of the downtime > about then !!! *Actually*, if you look carefully, you'll see that I'm not even *checking* on wcarchive! I'm staring vapidly at what's very probably a stack of IBM manuals and a bank of CSU/DSUs! :-) That picture was totally posed ("OK guys! Look busy! Jordan, turn so the shirt shows! OK, looking very professional baby, gimme some camera, there were go, *snap*"). And the rest is history! :-) > How many shirts did you all sell? I bought one (not exactly flagged any > girls down in it, though). Good quality T shirt in any event! I am not sure how many shirts were sold, and probably wouldn't say on -hackers if I did. That's David's business, not mine! :-) And if you're not flaggin' down the babes with that shirt, well hey, I gotta tell ya - it's you! Getting babes with the FreeBSD shirt is *easy* if you just follow these 3 simple steps: 1. Visit the gym every day religiously for the next 6 months and do some serious working out. Concentrate especially on the pectoral and bicep groups until your body reaches optimum tone and fitness (you're an engineer, c'mon - it's just another engineering problem!) 2. Spend another 3 months doing some kind of heavy outdoor construction work, the kind that gives you that jockish, weather-beaten kinda jockish look. If you don't work in construction, then simply add a deck to your house or play 3 months of Ultimate Frisbee with a retriever dog or something. The important thing is to get lots of sun, weather and exercise. You know, _outside_. 3. Pick a sunny day and stand on the side of the road, dressed in tight-fitting Levi's and the FreeBSD T-shirt. Slicking your hair back with oil like they do in the jeans commercials probably won't hurt, either. Wait for the right babe. As she pulls closer in her red '68 Mustang, pull the shirt off, exposing your manly, weathered, chest, and flag her down with it. Say you need a ride to the nearest motel. What you do after that is your business. Oh, and tell her "hello" from me. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:05:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA01401 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:05:16 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA01394 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:05:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00989; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:04:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: John Herks cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, bryan@fegmania.wustl.edu Subject: Re: wu-ftpd-2.4 with FreeBSD 2.0R In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jan 95 14:51:55 +1100." <199501140351.OAA10402@pyromania.apana.org.au> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:04:04 -0800 Message-ID: <988.790056244@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Grab the port again. There are some new patches Gary Palmer and Ollivier Robert just added. Jordan > I have just compiled wu-ftpd-2.4 ftp server for my FreeBSD machine.. > > Everything seems to work ok except the xferlog routing in ftpd.c.. > > When I turn xferlogging on (it creates the file /var/log/xferlog) after you > ftp a file the server crashes and dumps the core.. > > If you turn xfer logging off (in the ftpaccess file) it works ok.. > > Is there any modifications that need to be made to the dolog routine in > ftpd.c ?? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Rgds, > > > \|/ > (@ @) > ----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------------- > ``` ''' > John Herks Communications Engineer > Pyromania Unix Melbourne john@pyromania.apana.org.au > Phone:+613-220-4757 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:15:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA01928 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:15:51 -0800 Received: from anvil.appsmiths.com (appsmiths.sccsi.com [198.65.134.98]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA01911 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:15:39 -0800 Received: (from hoppy@localhost) by anvil.appsmiths.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA16809; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:14:09 -0600 From: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Message-Id: <199501140414.WAA16809@anvil.appsmiths.com> Subject: Re: Colorado 250 Tape Drive To: dbaker@concorde-mail.neosoft.com (Daniel Baker) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:14:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Baker" at Jan 13, 95 08:28:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 355 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk :: :: Hackers -- :: :: How can I backup my computer? I have a colorado 250 tape drive, but it :: dosen't seem to reconize it, how can I get it to? :: :: Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft FTP/UseNet Administrator (713)531-8571 :: DBaker@NeoSoft.COM :: DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM :: :: tar cvf - / | ft backs up the whole thing. Works great on mine. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:24:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA02513 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:24:24 -0800 Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA02503 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:24:21 -0800 Received: by plains.NoDak.edu; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:24:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:24:02 -0600 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199501140424.AA16754@plains.NoDak.edu> To: james@hermes.cybernetics.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FYI.. Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think Nate tried those 3 steps (I hope his wife does read this), and the conversation went like this: car stops, pulls back... babe: "pardon me. is that an authorize FREEBSD 2.0 teeshirt you are wearing" nate: "why, yes. this is an authorize FREEBSD 2.0 teeshirt I am wearing" babe: "well, thank-you" car screaches away. I know this is true, because I saw it on television during the late, late, late, late night (when hackers are just getting up) show. and everything on television is true. --mark "outside exists for only 3 month in the northland" From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:44:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA03543 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:44:35 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA03537 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:44:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01254; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:38:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Tinguely cc: james@hermes.cybernetics.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org, mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Subject: Re: FYI.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 22:24:02 CST." <199501140424.AA16754@plains.NoDak.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1253.790058283@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > car stops, pulls back... > babe: "pardon me. is that an authorize FREEBSD 2.0 teeshirt you are wearing" > nate: "why, yes. this is an authorize FREEBSD 2.0 teeshirt I am wearing" > babe: "well, thank-you" > car screaches away. Oh foolish one, that was the late, late, late, late show special (I know, because I was awake for it) movie "Sexy Beach Summer, II." You merely mistook the lead character in cowboy hat and spurs (which he even wore during the love scenes - silly gimmick!) for Nate in your half-awake, 3-beers-after-dinner delerium. I believe she also said "Is that an *author's frisbee II* teeshirt.", not an "authorize FreeBSD 2.0 [not that this makes any sense anyway] teeshirt." You'll remember the premise of the movie was that a bunch of famous authors had donated their frisbees to a cheerleading team for their annual tournament, each frisbee carefully signed by the likes of Vonnegut, Borge's & Bradbury to bring luck to the cheerleader babe they liked the most. Apparently the last tournament was such a success that they were doing it again, except even better. The cowboy character comes through and provides brief love interest for the babes (until the later arrival of Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. in a cameo), and one of them gives him an official tournament teeshirt - "author's frisbee II [tournament]", in which he later appears in the road scene. It was a very lame movie, and I still can't believe I watched the entire thing. Must have been that joint I smoked just before it came on. :-) [haha, I'm just joking of course, I would never admit such a thing in public! :)] Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:51:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA04111 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:51:55 -0800 Received: from uuneo.neosoft.com (uuneo.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA04103 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:51:53 -0800 Received: (from mailman@localhost) by uuneo.neosoft.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA05569; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:51:36 -0600 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com(198.65.161.214) by uuneo.neosoft.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005560; Fri Jan 13 22:51:32 1995 Received: (from dbaker@localhost) by concorde.neosoft.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA01430; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:51:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:51:53 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Baker To: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Colorado 250 Tape Drive In-Reply-To: <199501140414.WAA16809@anvil.appsmiths.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Clay D. Hopperdietzel wrote: > :: > :: Hackers -- > :: > :: How can I backup my computer? I have a colorado 250 tape drive, but it > :: dosen't seem to reconize it, how can I get it to? > tar cvf - / | ft > > backs up the whole thing. Works great on mine. Hmmm, dosen't seem to work, I get the error message: /dev/rft0: Operation not supported by device Any idea? Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft FTP/UseNet Administrator (713)531-8571 DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 20:58:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id UAA04542 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:58:15 -0800 Received: from anvil.appsmiths.com (appsmiths.sccsi.com [198.65.134.98]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA04532 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 20:58:12 -0800 Received: (from hoppy@localhost) by anvil.appsmiths.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA17015; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:57:20 -0600 From: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Message-Id: <199501140457.WAA17015@anvil.appsmiths.com> Subject: Re: Colorado 250 Tape Drive To: dbaker@concorde-mail.neosoft.com (Daniel Baker) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 22:57:20 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Baker" at Jan 13, 95 10:51:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 788 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk :: :: On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Clay D. Hopperdietzel wrote: :: :: > :: :: > :: Hackers -- :: > :: :: > :: How can I backup my computer? I have a colorado 250 tape drive, but it :: > :: dosen't seem to reconize it, how can I get it to? :: > tar cvf - / | ft :: > :: > backs up the whole thing. Works great on mine. :: Hmmm, dosen't seem to work, I get the error message: :: /dev/rft0: Operation not supported by device :: :: Any idea? :: :: :: Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft FTP/UseNet Administrator (713)531-8571 :: DBaker@NeoSoft.COM :: DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM :: :: do ya have the thing configured in your kernel, e.g.: controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 ??? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 21:30:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA05031 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:30:54 -0800 Received: from ast.com (irvine.ast.com [165.164.128.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA05025 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:30:52 -0800 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA04749 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:33:27 -0800 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Fri, 13 Jan 95 23:26 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0rT0yj-0004vuC; Fri, 13 Jan 95 23:24 CST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 23:24 CST To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Fri Jan 13 1995, 23:24:44 CST Subject: Need bdev major number assignment Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to conf.c: [-]/* [-]* If you need a bdev major number, please contact the FreeBSD team [-]* by sending mail to "FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com". [-]* If you assign one yourself it may conflict with someone else. [-]*/ Ok. I am in the early stages of debugging a driver for the Matsushita CD-ROM drive for use with FreeBSD. This is the drive with the proprietary interface that you find on SoundBlaster audio cards (sometimes called the Creative/Panasonic interface), as well as SB-clone audio cards and standalone CD-ROM interface cards bundled with the drives. This double-speed drive is marketed under the names Creative, Reveal, and Panasonic, and comes bundled with many types computers. The interface (and the driver) should support up to four of these drives. These drives can be had separately for between $170 and $230. If you are affiliated with any company that sells Creative Labs products, you can take advantage of the Creative Labs employee discount and get them for less. (I have no affiliation with Creative Labs, so this isn't meant to be a commercial.) I wrote to Nate about this project several months ago who indicated that he didn't know of anyone who was working on this. (I have programming details on many such devices.) I am currently using major #8 (having null pointers in there as the default is a bit dangerous, isn't it?) but would like a more permanent number assigned. No rush on this, as I will be on vacation next week and won't be getting back on this until around the 20th, and I certainly can keep using #8 for a while. Thanks. Also, if you have a mechanism for getting beta testers and feedback that is preferred over posting in the various comp.os.386bsd groups, give me the details on that and/or add me to any appropriate mailing lists. (By default, I'd just post the driver and see what happens.) Thanks for that too. Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" or uhclem%nemesis@trsvax.ast.com (Internet)| demand... A WORKING PENTIUM!!! ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"A what?" ...decvax!trsvax.fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 "Where do you want to go today? Anywhere Microsoft tells you to(TM)." :-( - (C) 1995 MADSoft From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 21:33:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA05043 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:33:48 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA05037 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:33:46 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA00795; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:32:08 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199501140532.VAA00795@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FYI.. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:32:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <438.790050500@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jan 13, 95 06:28:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 604 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > The best description of the appearance of him and Rod Grimes at the > > NLUUG conference last year was a kind of 'Laurel and Hardy of the > > OS world' ;-))) > > I don't know how, and I don't know when, but someday I'm going to get > you for that, Guido! :-) > > P.S. I'm not *that* fat. It's just that Rod is very, very, thin! :-) Wait a minute... I resemble that remark :-) :-) | | ^ Me standing sideways :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 13 23:29:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA06198 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:29:47 -0800 Received: from efn.efn.org (gurney_j@efn.org [198.68.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA06174; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:26:41 -0800 Received: by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA08718; Fri, 13 Jan 95 23:25:40 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 23:25:39 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: pppd Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am having a bit of trouble getting ppp to work on my machine... I am using a kernel compile from the kerndist... and I have the options ppp 2 in my config file... I have patched the source in if_ppp.c for the m->m_len=0; line or something like that... when I terminate the ppp packet driver... I get this line loges to /var/log/messages...: Jan 9 23:15:47 unix pppd[208]: demuxprotrej: Unrecognized Protocol-Reject for protocol 8224! and it refuses to quit no matter what... I finally have to kill -KILL the shell that is running on the modem port to get it to reset... even if I just kill the pppd the shell is still running... I am using mgetty on the port and I know that clocal isn't set on the port... the number after protocol will vary... I also got 25xxx something... just a bit about my machine, 486/33dx, 8megs ram, 130meg, 2 40meg, 85meg hds all on IDE, two serial, one paralle, two ne2000 clone cards... thanks for all the help... John-Mark Gurney gurney_j@efn.org -or- gurney_j@4j.lane.edu -or- Fido: John-Mark Gurney @ 1:152/56.2 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 02:43:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id CAA10174 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 02:43:39 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA10168; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 02:43:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11518; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 02:43:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: xmcd-1.3 port to FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jan 95 20:49:08 PST." Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 02:43:03 -0800 Message-ID: <11517.790080183@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello! > I uploaded xmcd-1.3.tar.gz to freebsd.cdrom.com /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. Hi, thanks for the offer, but this unfortunately isn't really a `port'. Please read /usr/ports/GUIDELINES - thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 04:29:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA01782 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 04:29:45 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA01776 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 04:29:42 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id EAA07642; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 04:29:14 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199501141229.EAA07642@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: CVS stuff To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 04:29:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, dgy@seagull.rtd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9501131848.AA10722@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jan 13, 95 11:48:40 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 743 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > PLEASE DON'T COMMIT BINARIES INTO THE TREE. > > > > A good definition of "not binary": > > > > The file has no 0x00 or 0xff in it. > > The last byte is 0x0a > > diff(1) and vi(1) doesn't choke on it. > > This definition would fit a uuencoded binary. > > Is this acceptable? yes, even preferred. > > You could even put versioning in shell comments at the top. good idea! > > > The advantage to binaries in the tree is that it allows for inclusion of > binary-but-not-source-redistributable code. Yes, it's not the principle of binary files, just that cvs copes so badly with them... -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. FreeBSD has, until now, not one single time had an undetected error. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 05:02:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA02489 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 05:02:34 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA02478 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 05:02:27 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA26303 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 06:31:56 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA25159; 14 Jan 95 06:17:15 CST (Sat) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA25155; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 06:17:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199501141217.GAA25155@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Tinguely , james@hermes.cybernetics.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org, mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Subject: Re: FYI.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jan 95 20:38:03 PST." <1253.790058283@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 06:17:10 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It was a very lame movie, and I still can't believe I watched the > entire thing. Must have been that joint I smoked just before it > came on. :-) > [haha, I'm just joking of course, I would never admit such a thing > in public! :)] What, watching non-interactive TV? Turns your mind to mush, it does. It's highly addictive. AND it damages your jeans. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 08:18:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA00328 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:18:00 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA00322; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:17:57 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.9/1.53) id QAA29161; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 16:31:20 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199501141531.QAA29161@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: these damn signals 10 and 11 To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 16:31:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: davidg@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 219 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What does it mean when the kernel starts killing proceses with signals 10 and 11? The system is not out of memory or swapsapce. The system is a 486 66MHz that is runnng 2.0R. Any known problems in the vm area? -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 09:15:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA00793 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:15:14 -0800 Received: from europa.com (root@thetics.europa.com [199.2.194.14]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA00787; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:15:13 -0800 Received: by europa.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.15) id ; Sat, 14 Jan 95 09:15 GMT Message-Id: From: timb@europa.com (Tim Bach) Subject: Problem's with serial port's To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:15:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Priority: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 663 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't seem to be able to get my three internal modem's to work. It appears the latest kernel doesnt detect them. They are setup for irq 3,4,and 9 I tried the 2.0 release kernel and it appears to detect them but i get wierd errors.Errors like stray irq 15 and some other one. Both the 2.0 release kernel and latest kernel are compiled from the GENERIC config. I tried putting in my 4th modem which is setup for irq 5 com 3 but even the old kernel wouldnt reconize it. Even though my computer seems to reconize it when it boot's up. Each have a seperate address. Also the wierd errors go away after a while. Oh yeah just found the error. 64 evens for device tp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 09:46:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA00983 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:09 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00977 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:06 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA05859; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA02308; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199501141746.JAA02308@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD-hackers) Subject: Re: these damn signals 10 and 11 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jan 95 16:31:19 +0100." <199501141531.QAA29161@gvr.win.tue.nl> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:01 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >What does it mean when the kernel starts killing proceses >with signals 10 and 11? The system is not out of memory or swapsapce. >The system is a 486 66MHz that is runnng 2.0R. Any known problems in >the vm area? Probably. We've fixed problems that could cause this. 2.0 was definately a bit rough around the edges...which is why we've recommended to people that really need stability to stick with 1.1.5+patches. The promise of 2.1 is stability and better performance. The *next* 2.1 snapshot should be fairly stable - we're working on this, anyway. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 10:01:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA01124 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:01:45 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01118; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:01:43 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id TAA01919 ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 19:02:34 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id TAA13694 ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 19:01:46 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id SAA18644 ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 18:59:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199501141759.SAA18644@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: these damn signals 10 and 11 To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 18:59:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, davidg@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501141531.QAA29161@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at Jan 14, 95 04:31:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 697 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What does it mean when the kernel starts killing proceses > with signals 10 and 11? The system is not out of memory or swapsapce. > The system is a 486 66MHz that is runnng 2.0R. Any known problems in > the vm area? Well, I have these problems too: since I upgraded from 1.1.5.1 to 2.0 (ALPHA, then RELEASE, then current), some programs get these signals (especially the C compiler), corruption occurs in memory, and I get sometimes kernel message telling ``Null pmap (cb) at va: 0x0''. Rebooting usually fixes the problem for a while. I also have a 486DX2 processor, with 16MB RAM. For the record, Linux and NetBSD 1.0 run perfectly well on the same machine. > > -Guido > Remy From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 10:55:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA02002 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:55:16 -0800 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01994 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:55:13 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA10713; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:55:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:55:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199501141855.KAA10713@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: uid 32767 on /var: file system full From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What does this message mean? I've got a bunch of these today on my 2.0R system. Uid 32767 is "nobody", and grep finds only "fingerd -sl" in /etc/inetd.conf. /var has more than a meg free, and this hasn't changed significantly since last night so I guess whatever filled it up died by itself.... ===== Jan 14 07:30:49 silvia kernel: uid 32767 on /var: file system full Jan 14 07:30:50 silvia last message repeated 9 times ===== I don't know what sendmail does, but /var/log/maillog doesn't have anything around 7:30. /etc/weekly runs at 7:30, and I DID get the output which looks normal. Other than changing the ${MANPATH:-...} to `manpath -q`, my /etc/weekly is as shipped. /var/cron/log.0 shows nothing suspicious (but of course /var was full at that time). For NFS, all the filesystems (root, var, usr, home) are exported to the two FreeBSD machines in this apartment (my roommates') and my research workstation at school, but the two PCs were down and nobody was logged in to the workstation in my office. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 11:30:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA02849 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:30:15 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02843 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:30:12 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA02199 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:31:12 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA14024 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:30:23 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id UAA18881 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:27:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199501141927.UAA18881@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Cosmetic change to bsd.prog.mk To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:27:51 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1205 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The enclosed patch is a cosmetic change to bsd.prog.mk. When a program directory has subdirectories, make now prints "===> dir/subdir" instead of "===> subdir". This is modeled after the rules contained in bsd.subdir.mk. Can someone please commit it? Thanks Remy *** share/mk/bsd.prog.mk.orig Sat Jan 14 19:31:01 1995 --- share/mk/bsd.prog.mk Sat Jan 14 19:32:48 1995 *************** *** 113,125 **** _PROGSUBDIR: .USE .if defined(SUBDIR) && !empty(SUBDIR) @for entry in ${SUBDIR}; do \ ! (${ECHODIR} "===> $$entry"; \ if test -d ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}.${MACHINE}; then \ cd ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}.${MACHINE}; \ else \ cd ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}; \ fi; \ ! ${MAKE} ${.TARGET:S/realinstall/install/:S/.depend/depend/}); \ done .endif --- 113,125 ---- _PROGSUBDIR: .USE .if defined(SUBDIR) && !empty(SUBDIR) @for entry in ${SUBDIR}; do \ ! (${ECHODIR} "===> ${DIRPRFX}$$entry"; \ if test -d ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}.${MACHINE}; then \ cd ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}.${MACHINE}; \ else \ cd ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}; \ fi; \ ! ${MAKE} ${.TARGET:S/realinstall/install/:S/.depend/depend/} DIRPRFX=${DIRPRFX}$$entry/); \ done .endif From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 11:30:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA02859 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:30:48 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02852 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:30:46 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA02203 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:31:45 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA14034 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:30:57 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id UAA18890 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:28:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199501141928.UAA18890@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Patch for bsd.doc.mk To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:28:25 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1498 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The enclosed patch makes bsd.doc.mk consistent with bsd.prog.mk when creating the obj link. While bsd.prog.mk inconditionnaly creates a link in /usr/obj, bsd.doc.mk tests if the source tree is contained in /usr/src. If so, it creates a link to /usr/obj. If the source tree is contained in another directory, bsd.doc.mk creates an obj subdirectory. This patches makes bsd.doc.mk behave like bsd.prog.mk (I have simply copied the obj rule from bsd.prog.mk). Can someone please commit it? Thanks Remy *** share/mk/bsd.doc.mk.orig Sat Jan 14 19:52:16 1995 --- share/mk/bsd.doc.mk Sat Jan 14 20:00:57 1995 *************** *** 54,76 **** obj: .else obj: ! @cd ${.CURDIR}; rm -f obj > /dev/null 2>&1 || true; \ ! here=`pwd`; subdir=`echo $$here | sed 's,^/usr/src/,,'`; \ ! if test $$here != $$subdir ; then \ ! dest=/usr/obj/$$subdir ; \ ! ${ECHO} "$$here -> $$dest"; ln -s $$dest obj; \ ! if test -d /usr/obj -a ! -d $$dest; then \ ! mkdir -p $$dest; \ ! else \ ! true; \ ! fi; \ else \ ! true ; \ ! dest=$$here/obj ; \ ! ${ECHO} "making $$here/obj" ; \ ! if test ! -d obj ; then \ ! mkdir $$here/obj; \ ! fi ; \ fi; .endif .endif --- 54,66 ---- obj: .else obj: ! @cd ${.CURDIR}; rm -f obj; \ ! here=`pwd`; dest=/usr/obj`echo $$here | sed 's,^/usr/src,,'`; \ ! ${ECHO} "$$here -> $$dest"; ln -s $$dest obj; \ ! if test -d /usr/obj -a ! -d $$dest; then \ ! mkdir -p $$dest; \ else \ ! true; \ fi; .endif .endif From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 11:31:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA02882 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:31:27 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02874 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:31:25 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA02207 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:32:22 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA14039 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:31:34 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id UAA18899 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:29:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199501141929.UAA18899@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Patch for doc Makefiles To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:29:02 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1424 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The enclosed patch fixes the Makefile contained in share/doc/usd/{30.rogue,31.trek}: make fails if the games source tree is not present (see the mail that I have sent yesterday). This patch makes the Makefiles test if the games source tree is present. If it is not present, the Makefiles default to no operation. Remy *** share/doc/usd/30.rogue/Makefile.orig Sat Jan 14 19:33:27 1995 --- share/doc/usd/30.rogue/Makefile Sat Jan 14 19:43:39 1995 *************** *** 1,6 **** --- 1,7 ---- # From: @(#)Makefile 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/8/93 # $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 1995/01/11 03:24:21 wollman Exp $ + .if exists(${.CURDIR}/../../../../games) DIR= usd/30.rogue SRCS= rogue.me MACROS= -me *************** *** 8,10 **** --- 9,25 ---- USE_TBL= yes .include + .else + depend: + + obj: + + all: + + install: + + clean: + + cleandir: + + .endif *** share/doc/usd/31.trek/Makefile.orig Sat Jan 14 19:41:43 1995 --- share/doc/usd/31.trek/Makefile Sat Jan 14 19:43:13 1995 *************** *** 1,6 **** --- 1,7 ---- # From: @(#)Makefile 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/8/93 # $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 1995/01/11 03:24:22 wollman Exp $ + .if exists(${.CURDIR}/../../../../games) VOLUME= usd/31.trek SRCS= trek.me MACROS= -me *************** *** 8,10 **** --- 9,25 ---- USE_TBL= yes .include + .else + depend: + + obj: + + all: + + install: + + clean: + + cleandir: + + .endif From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 12:01:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA03755 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:01:07 -0800 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA03749 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:01:06 -0800 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; id AA20755; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 15:01:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 15:01:01 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9501142001.AA20755@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: uid 32767 on /var: file system full In-Reply-To: <199501141855.KAA10713@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> References: <199501141855.KAA10713@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < What does this message mean? I've got a bunch of these today on my > 2.0R system. Uid 32767 is "nobody", and grep finds only "fingerd -sl" > in /etc/inetd.conf. /var has more than a meg free, and this hasn't > changed significantly since last night so I guess whatever filled it > up died by itself.... Probably building the `locate' database. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 13:13:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA05829 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 13:13:32 -0800 Received: from nm0039.nmso.nm.blm.gov (nm0024.nmso.nm.blm.gov [158.68.160.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA05823 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 13:13:22 -0800 Received: by nm0039.nmso.nm.blm.gov (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23801; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:13:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:13:08 -0700 (MST) From: Chris Olsen Subject: Re: Colorado 250 Tape Drive To: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Cc: Daniel Baker , hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199501140457.WAA17015@anvil.appsmiths.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > :: On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Clay D. Hopperdietzel wrote: > :: > :: > :: > :: > :: Hackers -- > :: > :: > :: > :: How can I backup my computer? I have a colorado 250 tape drive, but it > :: > :: dosen't seem to reconize it, how can I get it to? > :: > tar cvf - / | ft > :: > > :: > backs up the whole thing. Works great on mine. > :: Hmmm, dosen't seem to work, I get the error message: > :: /dev/rft0: Operation not supported by device > :: > :: Any idea? > :: > :: Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft FTP/UseNet Administrator (713)531-8571 > :: DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM > :: > do ya have the thing configured in your kernel, e.g.: > > controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr > disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 > disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 > tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 > I have a Colorado 250 here at the office but it is hooked up the the parallel port not the floppy controller. There must be different types of Colorado 250 drives. Daniel how is your drive connected ?. And is there a driver for the parallel port connected Colorado 250 ? ------------------------------ | Christopher Bryan Olsen | | Productive Data Systems | | colsen@pdsinc.com | | (505) 438-7812 | ------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 13:57:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA06536 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 13:57:25 -0800 Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA06530 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 13:57:23 -0800 Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA24303 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 00:56:41 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sun, 15 Jan 95 00:56:41 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA05230; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 00:49:08 +0300 To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Ollivier ROBERT Cc: dgy@seagull.rtd.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com References: <199501131627.IAA03431@ref.tfs.com> In-Reply-To: <199501131627.IAA03431@ref.tfs.com>; from Poul-Henning Kamp at Fri, 13 Jan 1995 08:27:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 00:49:07 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.31 FreeBSD] From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: CVS stuff Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 674 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199501131627.IAA03431@ref.tfs.com> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >PLEASE DON'T COMMIT BINARIES INTO THE TREE. >A good definition of "not binary": > The file has no 0x00 or 0xff in it. Chars A0-FF at least is valid in both iso8859-* and koi8-r, we already have such files in the tree. > diff(1) and vi(1) doesn't choke on it. vi does right work with A0-FF files. -- Andrew A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 14:41:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA07705 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:41:19 -0800 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07699 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 14:41:14 -0800 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA13800; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 16:27:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199501142327.QAA13800@clem.systemsix.com> To: Garrett Wollman cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), hackers@FreeBSD.org, fbsd@clem.systemsix.com Subject: Re: uid 32767 on /var: file system full In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jan 1995 15:01:01 EST." <9501142001.AA20755@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 16:27:01 -0700 From: Steve Passe Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> What does this message mean? I've got a bunch of these today on my >> 2.0R system. Uid 32767 is "nobody", and grep finds only "fingerd -sl" >> in /etc/inetd.conf. /var has more than a meg free, and this hasn't >> changed significantly since last night so I guess whatever filled it >> up died by itself.... > Probably building the `locate' database. I don't know how clean this is, but it works, modify /etc/daily by adding the following 2 lines before the first actions: TMPDIR=/usr/tmp export TMPDIR this causes locate.updatedb to use /usr/tmp instead of /tmp for building its file. You obviosuly need to create /usr/tmp (non- standard?). Anyone have cleaner fix? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 18:21:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA17642 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 18:21:46 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA17635 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 18:21:44 -0800 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id DAA03525 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 03:22:43 +0100 Received: from ares.ibp.fr (card@ares.ibp.fr [132.227.64.31]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id DAA15538 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 03:21:54 +0100 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by ares.ibp.fr (8.6.9/jtpda-5.0) id DAA19913 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 03:19:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199501150219.DAA19913@ares.ibp.fr> Subject: Another broken path in a Makefile To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 03:19:20 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 834 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The Makefile contained in usr.bin/tconv contains a bogus reference to the absolute path /usr/src/lib/libmytinfo. The enclosed patch fixes this. Can someone please commit it? Thanks Remy *** usr.bin/tconv/Makefile.orig Sun Jan 15 01:16:02 1995 --- usr.bin/tconv/Makefile Sun Jan 15 01:16:30 1995 *************** *** 5,11 **** SRCS= tconv.c quit.c MLINKS= tconv.1 tic.1 tconv.1 captoinfo.1 LINKS= ${BINDIR}/tconv ${BINDIR}/tic ${BINDIR}/tconv ${BINDIR}/captoinfo ! CFLAGS+= -I/usr/src/lib/libmytinfo -Wall DPADD= $(LIBMYTINFO) LDADD= -lmytinfo --- 5,11 ---- SRCS= tconv.c quit.c MLINKS= tconv.1 tic.1 tconv.1 captoinfo.1 LINKS= ${BINDIR}/tconv ${BINDIR}/tic ${BINDIR}/tconv ${BINDIR}/captoinfo ! CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR}/../../lib/libmytinfo -Wall DPADD= $(LIBMYTINFO) LDADD= -lmytinfo From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 22:41:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA09594 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 22:41:21 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA09583 for hackers; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 22:41:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 22:41:19 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199501150641.WAA09583@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: Gary Palmer is in charge.. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Of thud and freefall while David and I are at USENIX. I'm sure Garrett and the other folks in wheel will also be lending him a hand. Jonathan M. Bresler, freebsd mailman and general galley slave, will be handing any mail difficulties. Any questions/problems/etc concering freefall or thud to gpalmer@freebsd.org. Any mail problems to mailman@freebsd.org (as usual). Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 23:01:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA00257 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 23:01:03 -0800 Received: from ns.gte.com (ns.gte.com [132.197.8.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA00250 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 23:01:02 -0800 Received: from bunny.gte.com by ns.gte.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4) id AA06198; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 01:59:03 -0500 Received: by bunny.gte.com (8.6.9/GTEL2.19) id CAA21706; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 02:00:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by genesis.nred.ma.us (8.3/genesis0.0) id BAA21553; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 01:30:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 01:30:22 -0800 From: steve2@genesis.nred.ma.us (Steve Gerakines) Message-Id: <199501150930.BAA21553@genesis.nred.ma.us> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Colorado 250 Tape Drive Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hackers -- > > How can I backup my computer? I have a colorado 250 tape drive, but it > dosen't seem to reconize it, how can I get it to? First, the tape drive must be connected via the floppy disk controller. Connections via parallel port or Colorado's cards are not supported. Next, make sure the device is configured into your kernel. By default it is disabled because it apparently causes problems with some peoples' systems. You will need to build a new kernel. Your config should have: disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 make sure this last line isn't commented out. - Steve steve2@genesis.nred.ma.us From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 14 23:25:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA00831 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 23:25:05 -0800 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA00825 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 23:25:01 -0800 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA15272; Sun, 15 Jan 1995 00:41:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199501150741.AAA15272@clem.systemsix.com> To: Steve Passe cc: Garrett Wollman , asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: uid 32767 on /var: file system full In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jan 1995 16:27:01 MST." <199501142327.QAA13800@clem.systemsix.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 00:41:41 -0700 From: Steve Passe Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: > I don't know how clean this is, but it works, modify /etc/daily by the original location of the locate.updatedb call is in /etc/weekly...