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From: Morgan Davis <root@io.cts.com>
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Problem: Lock up during DOS filesystem activity
System build (last week's current):
FreeBSD io.cts.com 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0:
Sat Feb 11 14:28:01 PST 1995
Mounted my C: drive on /mnt with mount_dos. Was FTP'ing a 2.5MB file
over the LAN to my FreeBSD system onto the DOS filesystem. Got about
50% into it, then decided to pull a directory listing on the directory
(/mnt/tmp).
1. Never got a response -- cursor just hung under the command line.
2. Could not kill the ls process from another xterm.
3. Tried to umount /mnt and locked up my last xterm.
4. Switched to a system console (Alt-Ctrl-F1) and entered my login
name at a waiting getty. Pressed Enter and cursor locked on
the next line.
5. Hit Alt-F4 to get back to X to see if anything changed, and at
that point, the whole system became unresponsive at the console.
6. Could not telnet over the LAN to it.
7. Had to do a hard reset.
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Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:02:44 +0800 (WST)
From: Terry Dwyer <tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au>
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Subject: tkined-1.2.0 and scotty-1.2.0 for FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R on wcarchive
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I had been asked to build a port of these packages. Because I
1) don't have a 2.x machine and
2) haven't got the foggiest idea how to build a port
I cleaned up both packages for 1.1.5.1R and put them on:
wcarchive.cdrom.com:/FreeBSD/incoming
The package names are:
scotty-1.2.0-FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R.tgz and tkined-1.2.0-FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R.tgz
There are also readmes for both packages in incoming.
Here is an excerpt from my readme:
These packages combined comprise a network mapping and monitoring
package. SNMP is included as a manager. If you want to manage
your FreeBSD box you will need to find an agent. There was one
available some time ago - cmu-snmp2 ported to 1.1.5.1 by
mark tinguely (tinguely@plains.nodak.edu)
To fully utilise this version of tkined you will need:
Tcl7.3 TclX7.3a Tk3.6 and BLT1.7
In addition, tkined is part of the complete network monitoring package
which consists of tkined-1.2.0 and scotty-1.2.0.
Tkined is the network editor, scotty is the wish shell with all the
networking goodies built in.
The complete distribution for tkined and scotty is available from:
ftp://ftp.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/pub/local/tkined/
A W3 page is also available at:
http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/ibr/projects/nm/tkined/welcome.html
The two packages are named tkined-1.2.0-FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R.tgz and
scotty-1.2.0-FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R.tgz.
These packages may not compile under FreeBSD-2.x - try getting the
original unmodified files from the site above.
The two packages must be unpacked at the level of the tree where
you (should) already have blt Tk and Tcl.
When you have unpacked both, cd to scotty-1.2.0 and do ./configure
then do a make ; make install. The wish interpreter will install in
/usr/local/bin. Use the same procedure to configure and compile tkined.
Have fun.
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To: Terry Dwyer <tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au>
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Subject: Re: tkined-1.2.0 and scotty-1.2.0 for FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R on wcarchive
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From: Gennady Sorokopud <gena@netvision.net.il>
>
>I had been asked to build a port of these packages. Because I
>1) don't have a 2.x machine and
>2) haven't got the foggiest idea how to build a port
>I cleaned up both packages for 1.1.5.1R and put them on:
>wcarchive.cdrom.com:/FreeBSD/incoming
I'm using scotty and tkined on -current without any problems.
If you want i can make ports/packages for both of them.
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O O
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O O
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To: Gennady Sorokopud <gena@netvision.net.il>
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Subject: Re: tkined-1.2.0 and scotty-1.2.0 for FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R on wcarchive
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Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:22:44 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> I'm using scotty and tkined on -current without any problems.
> If you want i can make ports/packages for both of them.
That would be great, thanks!
Actually, Poul and I were just talking about the CMU SNMP stuff..
Yup, ports/net is just begging for it! :-)
Jordan
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From: Terry Dwyer <tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au>
To: Gennady Sorokopud <gena@netvision.net.il>
Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, ports@freefall.cdrom.com
Subject: Re: tkined-1.2.0 and scotty-1.2.0 for FreeBSD-1.1.5.1R on wcarchive
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Hello Gennady,
Yes, why not. Jordan asked me, but as I explained previously I could not.
I think Jordan's intention was to put the whole lot in the ports dir
(using patches) and a pointer to the sources on the machine in germany so
it would be compatible with the rest of the ports collection.
By the way, you might like to upgrade before you put it up - there are
two sets of patches taking it to 1.2.2 now 8-)
Terry
On Sun, 19 Feb 1995, Gennady Sorokopud wrote:
> >
> >I had been asked to build a port of these packages. Because I
> >1) don't have a 2.x machine and
> >2) haven't got the foggiest idea how to build a port
> >I cleaned up both packages for 1.1.5.1R and put them on:
> >wcarchive.cdrom.com:/FreeBSD/incoming
>
> I'm using scotty and tkined on -current without any problems.
> If you want i can make ports/packages for both of them.
>
>
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> O O
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From: Mark Huizer <xaa@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl>
Message-Id: <199502191128.MAA00436@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl>
Subject: PPP still hangs on hanging up
To: freebsd.org!hackers@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:28:03 +0100 (MET)
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Hmm... I'm on this list now for only a day or three, so I'm not sure if
this is already mentioned. On my system (486-dx2-50, internal modem, 8M,
snap920210 binary distr.) I still notice the problem that the
machine spontaneously about 50% of the times
reboots after I send a SIGHUP to the pppd. I know that there used to be
patches to if_pppd in older versions, but I suppose that one has long
since been incorporated in the kernel source, right?
Greetings,
Mark Huizer
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From: Ollivier Robert <Ollivier.Robert@hsc.fr.net>
Subject: BUG in 4.4 raw_ip.c (fwd)
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Found in comp.os.386bsd.bugs. Don't know if it's fixed in FreeBSD or not.
------- start of forwarded message -------
From: danmcd@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Dan McDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.bugs.4bsd,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: BUG in 4.4 raw_ip.c
Date: 15 Feb 1995 15:43:37 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, Naval Research Laboratory
There is an obscure bug in 4.4 BSD (including 4.4-Lite) which affect raw
sockets that are bound to an address.
The fix is all of two characters, which inverts two tests in raw_ip.c. The
following is a context diff:
=====================(Cut up to and including here.)======================
armitage(sys/netinet)[0]% diff -c raw_ip.c /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c
*** raw_ip.c Wed Feb 15 07:28:07 1995
--- /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c Fri Dec 16 13:10:14 1994
***************
*** 93,102 ****
if (inp->inp_ip.ip_p && inp->inp_ip.ip_p != ip->ip_p)
continue;
if (inp->inp_laddr.s_addr &&
! inp->inp_laddr.s_addr != ip->ip_dst.s_addr)
continue;
if (inp->inp_faddr.s_addr &&
! inp->inp_faddr.s_addr != ip->ip_src.s_addr)
continue;
if (last) {
struct mbuf *n;
--- 93,102 ----
if (inp->inp_ip.ip_p && inp->inp_ip.ip_p != ip->ip_p)
continue;
if (inp->inp_laddr.s_addr &&
! inp->inp_laddr.s_addr == ip->ip_dst.s_addr)
continue;
if (inp->inp_faddr.s_addr &&
! inp->inp_faddr.s_addr == ip->ip_src.s_addr)
continue;
if (last) {
struct mbuf *n;
=====================(Cut up to and including here.)======================
To determine if your system is affected by this bug, here is code to test
it. (You will need to be root to run this...)
=====================(Cut up to and including here.)======================
/*
* test.c -- Silly program to test raw socket. Run without an argument
* to send. Run with an argument to receive.
*
* Daniel L. McDonald - U. S. Naval Research Laboratory
*/
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
#include <stdio.h>
main(int argc)
{
int s;
s = socket(PF_INET,SOCK_RAW,69); /* 69, AFAIK, is not an
assigned protocol. */
if (s == -1)
{
perror("socket");
exit(1);
}
printf("argc = %d\n",argc);
if (argc > 1)
{
char *buf="Hello";
struct sockaddr_in dst = {AF_INET};
int rc;
dst.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(0x7f000001); /* send it over loopback. */
rc = connect(s,&dst,sizeof(struct sockaddr_in));
if (rc == -1)
perror("connect");
else if ((rc = send(s,buf,strlen(buf)+1,0)) == -1)
perror("send");
else printf("%d bytes sent.\n",rc);
}
else
{
char buf[30];
struct sockaddr_in src={AF_INET,0, htonl(0x7f000001)};
int srclen,rc;
bzero(buf,10);
rc=bind(s,&src,sizeof(struct sockaddr_in));
if (rc == -1)
perror("bind");
else if ((rc=recvfrom(s,buf,30,0,&src,&srclen)) != -1)
printf("Got '%s' (%d bytes total) from %s, srclen %d\n",buf+20,rc,
inet_ntoa(src.sin_addr),srclen);
else perror("recvfrom");
}
}
=====================(Cut up to and including here.)======================
A few people had been notified of this earlier. I apologize for not
informing everyone sooner.
Enjoy!
--
Daniel L. McDonald | Mail: danmcd@itd.nrl.navy.mil -------------------------+
Computer Scientist | WWW: http://wintermute.itd.nrl.navy.mil/danmcd.html |
Naval Research Lab | Phone: (202) 404-7122 #include <disclaimer.h> |
Washington, DC | "Rise from the ashes, A blaze of everyday glory" - Rush +
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From: mark@communica.oz.au (Mark Newton)
Subject: 2.0-950210-SNAP hangs
To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:13:44 +1030 (CST)
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I submitted a bug report a few weeks ago about hangs on my 2.0-RELEASE
system. In an act of desperation, I've upgraded to 2.0-950210-SNAP, and
have been disappointed to see that it's still happening.
I've had my hardware fully checked-out. Memory is ok, disk controllers
are ok, etc, etc -- I really doubt the hangs are hardware related.
First: A configuration summary:
i486DX2/66 (Intel), 16Mb RAM, ISA+VLbus
Ethernet: Generic NE2000
Serial I/O: 10 (2x16450 on multi-io card + 8x16550 on AST-style
multiport card)
Parallel I/O: lpt on multi-io card
Disks:
wd0 Western Digital WDC AC2340H Caviar 340Mb
wd1 Conner Peripherals CP30254 240Mb
sd0 Maxtor XT4380S 320Mb (slow enough for news spool only :-)
sd1 Seagate ST3550N 450Mb
sd2 Quantum ELS170S 170Mb
Tape: st0 Archive Viper 150
SCSI: UltraStor 34F VLbus host adaptor
System is configured with about 100Mb of swap split over the two IDE spindles
and the two fastest SCSI spindles (wd0, wd1, sd1, sd2). Dumps are meant to
occur on sd1, but I've never had one work yet (it hangs on "Dumping: 16"
when it tries).
The system is fairly well loaded: It has five dialup modem lines running
with 38.4kbps DTEs, a 9600bps SLIP connection to the outside world. It also
acts as a secondary nameserver for the apana.org.au zone and its reverse
mappings (about 500-odd hosts), an inn-based NNTP server feeding full
newsfeeds to half a dozen downstream NNTP feeds and partial feeds to 30-odd
UUCP sites, it's the second-priority MX forwarder for about 100 hosts, a
medium-sized anonymous ftp archive, a WWW proxy caching server, and a POP
server. It's also the file server for a Sun 3/60 running as an X11R6 X
terminal. At any given time, it can have up to 20-or-so users logged in.
Summary: It's a busy box. I'm telling you all this because I suspect that
one of the causes of the problem described below is the load placed on the
system.
Now, the problem: At periods ranging from every 6 hours through to every
2 days, the system hangs for no apparent reason. When it hangs, it goes
completely catatonic: It doesn't respond to pings from other hosts on my
ethernet, the console doesn't work, all disk activity stops; nothing can
get any response out of it.
Now, normally this wouldn't be a problem; debugging things like this is
what kernel debuggers are for, right? Well, no, not really -- When it
hangs, it is obviously splx()'ed to a priority higher than the console,
'cos I can't jump to the debugger (or, indeed, get anything else on the
console happening). If it is splx()'ed to a value like that, that would
tend to suggest that the root cause is either something to do with the
network or something to do with the disks (it could be anything with
a higher priority than the console, I know, but those two seem most
likely to me).
Since I can't escape to the debugger, I am only able to guess at the
cause of the problem.
Now, I said above that I suspected load, but again, that's only a guess.
To be totally truthful, it's a wild guess at that: The load average on
the system rarely gets above 3, and spends most of its time at values
less than 1. systat shows that the CPU usually spends at leats 20% of its
time idle.
Before I switched to 2.0, I was getting good uptimes (under 1.1.5.1, I had
38 days before I had to shut it down to do some recabling). Since I upgraded
to 2.0 a month ago, I haven't had an uptime greater than 3 days.
Has anyone else with a similar configuration and/or load had similar
problems with 2.0 (release or snapshot)?
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to debug a problem like this
when there is no indication of where to start before it manifests itself
and no way to perform a post mortem after it has happened?
- mark
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From: Julian Elischer <julian>
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I must have been very sleepy
here is a cleaner patch for USA paper sizes in a2ps.
the -a option is still use 8.5 x 11 but I used teh symbolic names this time :)
julian
To the FreeBSD crew.. how do I put this patch into our a2ps port?
===================================================================
RCS file: RCS/a2ps.c,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -c -r1.1 a2ps.c
*** 1.1 1995/02/20 00:28:47
--- a2ps.c 1995/02/20 01:05:32
***************
*** 166,175 ****
--- 166,177 ----
*/
#ifndef WIDTH
#define WIDTH 8.27
+ #define USA_WIDTH 8.5
#endif
#ifndef HEIGHT
#define HEIGHT 11.64
+ #define USA_HEIGHT 11.0
#endif
#ifndef MARGIN
***************
*** 362,367 ****
--- 364,371 ----
/*
* Sheet dimensions
*/
+ double paper_height = HEIGHT; /* Paper height */
+ double paper_width = WIDTH; /* Paper width */
double page_height = HEIGHT; /* Paper height */
double page_width = WIDTH; /* Paper width */
***************
*** 382,387 ****
--- 386,392 ----
fprintf(stderr,"pos. = -#num\t\tnumber of copies to print\n");
fprintf(stderr," -1\t\tone page per sheet\n");
fprintf(stderr," -2\t\tTWIN PAGES per sheet\n");
+ fprintf(stderr," -a\t\tUse USA paper size (8.5 x 11)\n");
fprintf(stderr," -d\t-nd\tprint (DON'T PRINT) current date at the bottom\n");
fprintf(stderr," -Fnum\t\tfont size, num is a float number\n");
fprintf(stderr," -Hstr\t\tuse str like header title for subsequent files\n");
***************
*** 464,469 ****
--- 469,478 ----
usage(EXIT_FAILURE);
interpret = TRUE;
break;
+ case 'a': /* American paper sizes */
+ paper_height = USA_HEIGHT;
+ paper_width = USA_WIDTH;
+ break;
case 'n':
if (arg[2] == NUL)
return;
***************
*** 1471,1478 ****
printf("\n%% Initialize page description variables.\n");
printf("/x0 0 def\n");
printf("/y0 0 def\n");
! printf("/sh %g inch def\n", (double)HEIGHT);
! printf("/sw %g inch def\n", (double)WIDTH);
printf("/margin %g inch def\n", (double)MARGIN);
printf("/rm margin 3 div def\n");
printf("/lm margin 2 mul 3 div def\n");
--- 1480,1487 ----
printf("\n%% Initialize page description variables.\n");
printf("/x0 0 def\n");
printf("/y0 0 def\n");
! printf("/sh %g inch def\n", (double)paper_height);
! printf("/sw %g inch def\n", (double)paper_width);
printf("/margin %g inch def\n", (double)MARGIN);
printf("/rm margin 3 div def\n");
printf("/lm margin 2 mul 3 div def\n");
***************
*** 1794,1801 ****
/* Initialize variables not depending of positional options */
landscape = twinpages = -1; /* To force format switching */
fontsize = -1.0; /* To force fontsize switching */
! page_height = (double)(HEIGHT - MARGIN) * PIXELS_INCH;
! page_width = (double)(WIDTH - MARGIN) * PIXELS_INCH;
/* Postcript prologue printing */
print_prologue();
--- 1803,1810 ----
/* Initialize variables not depending of positional options */
landscape = twinpages = -1; /* To force format switching */
fontsize = -1.0; /* To force fontsize switching */
! page_height = (double)(paper_height - MARGIN) * PIXELS_INCH;
! page_width = (double)(paper_width - MARGIN) * PIXELS_INCH;
/* Postcript prologue printing */
print_prologue();
===================================================================
RCS file: RCS/a2ps.1,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -c -r1.1 a2ps.1
*** 1.1 1995/02/20 00:42:22
--- a2ps.1 1995/02/20 00:43:52
***************
*** 155,160 ****
--- 155,163 ----
is the number of copies desired of each file named. By default, you get
only one copy.
.TP 0.6i
+ .B -a
+ Use the American paper size (8.5" x 11") as the basis for all calculations.
+ .TP 0.6i
.B -d
Print the current date and time at the bottom of the page. This option
is affected by the no surrounding border and the no header options.
end of email
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh>
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Earlier today I said on freefall:
>Either we've been attacked, somebody on the core team just had a criminal
>case of the stupids, or I don't know what to think.
I guess I should admit that it was me who had the criminal stupids
(god don't you just hate it when you complain about something and it's
*you* who are the problem??), or at least a bad case of criminal negligence!
It was all caused by a bad combination of factors: One that I didn't think
twice about the possible consequences of having AMD mount things in /tmp/amd_mnt
(/tmp has been "safe" again for too long, I guess) and two that I had
the old /etc/* files on time, the /etc/daily containing the search and
destroy in /tmp that we later disabled.
When I went to amd on time (mother didn't have the problem, being a new
installation) the next time /etc/daily ran it whacked us good. AMD
mounts *everything* that a system exports when you first go to /host/<foo>
and so when I got my freefall home dir on time exported to me, along
came all of /a, /b and /c as well.
This was just really bad luck and some bad system admin on my part.
I feel really, really, really stupid.
A lot of people had their home dirs on one if these drives, and anything
you didn't touch in 3 days or more is likely gone! I managed to stop
the find running once I figured out what had happened, but it had in
the meantime run over 5 hours, and much damage was done during that time.
Again, to repeat: This ONLY removed files that had NOT been accessed
at all, meaning that your dotfiles and such should be fine if you
log into freefall regularly. Likewise, all non-Attic portions of the CVS
tree should be OK since it's accessed regularly by the cvs update run.
Over the next couple of days we'll work on figuring out what got nuked
and what can be brought back.
I am dreadfully sorry for any inconvenience caused! I shall atone for
my sins by appointing myself Mr Backup Meister for awhile and making
sure that freefall gets regularly backed up to tape.
Jordan
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From: rdabney@lanl.gov (R. N. Dabney)
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Howdy,
I've been attempting to install 2.0 on a SCSI drive attached to a Future
Domain 950 (yeah, yeah, I know they suck, but it is the only supported ctlr
I have). When I write the MBR in FDISK, I get a dialog box "Invalid
Argument" and at the bottom of the screen "Disk doesn't have MBR",
"writedisklabel: MSP with no BSD part". The geometry reported by the startup
probe is 2405 cyls, 6 hds, 72 secs and 507 MB. I tried changing the geometry
in FDISK to 32 secs, 64 hds and 507 cyls. The SCSI drive is the second
drive, the first is a IDE which I was able to FDISK and LABEL but with a
really small slice. I can write a boot record to the SCSI (I suppose, no
complaints). Any pointers would be appreciated.
Completely lost,
Richard
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 17:50:21 1995
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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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Well, I used isode-8.0 snmp agent back in the days of FreeBSD-1.1.5
A side bonus of isode-8.0 snmp package is that we get to play with
the snmp test suite which is widely use in the industry.
I have use tkined one thing that turn me off was the slow graphics if
someone can improve on the graphic's performance it can be one hell
of a package.
Amancio
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Well,
Read the code .... I remember that some wise kernel hacker had
spin loops with no way to end till it got an interrupt from the
ide controller.
Amancio
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> Dreadfully sorry for any inconvenience caused!
>
> Jordan
Who has that pointy hat again :-)
I guess jordans ears are too small to keep it up over his eyes :-) :-)
(hi hi hi)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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So much code to hack -- so little time
..
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Well,
I got a ppp account the other day and I have been starting and stopping
PPP frequently and never have I had problems stopping pppd.
This doesn't say much but at least we have a delta point of behavior
where the problem does not have and another where it does happen.
Perhaps, if we exchange ppp setups it could be a start to debug
the problem.
Amancio
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From: Mark Huizer <xaa@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl>
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> Hmm... I'm on this list now for only a day or three, so I'm not sure if
> this is already mentioned. On my system (486-dx2-50, internal modem, 8M,
> snap920210 binary distr.) I still notice the problem that the
> machine spontaneously about 50% of the times
> reboots after I send a SIGHUP to the pppd. I know that there used to be
> patches to if_pppd in older versions, but I suppose that one has long
> since been incorporated in the kernel source, right?
Forgot to tell:
It happens when I run sendmail afterwards (sendmail -q)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Mark Huizer
Mark
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>
> > >Either we've been attacked, somebody on the core team just had a criminal
> > >case of the stupids, or I don't know what to think.
>
> I guess I should also point out that it was me who had the criminal
> stupids, or at least the criminal negligence! It was all caused by a
> bad combination of factors: One that I didn't think twice about the
> possible consequences of having AMD mount things in /tmp/amd_mnt
> (/tmp has been "safe" again for too long, I guess) and two that I had
> the old /etc/* files on time, the /etc/daily containing the search and
> destroy in /tmp that we later disabled.
...
:-( :-(...
I should have all the Attic files from ncvs, my last sup update was
lastnight. This includes the Attic files for the ports area.
I also have all of the 1.X cvs tree, it seems that is now completly
empty.
Let me know if you want me to resync Freefalls cvs areas to mine.
I would recomened we immediatly shut down cvs, as any changes right now
just make it harder to use mtree to figure out what needs to get pulled
back accross.
> Dreadfully sorry for any inconvenience caused!
Jordan, repeat after me, tho shall never mount disks with real data on
them under any place in /tmp :-) :-) :-) :-[
>
> Jordan
>
--
Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com
Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD
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From: J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de>
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Subject: Re: DDB symbols
To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:07:37 +0100 (MET)
In-Reply-To: <199502182241.RAA00276@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Feb 18, 95 05:41:02 pm
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As Peter Dufault wrote:
>
> ... There is no man ddb ...
Is there any objection against adding the man page back from the
1.1.5.1 system?
--
cheers, J"org
joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 18:26:26 1995
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To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch)
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Subject: Re: DDB symbols
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Feb 95 19:07:37 +0100."
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From: David Greenman <davidg@Root.COM>
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>As Peter Dufault wrote:
>>
>> ... There is no man ddb ...
>
>Is there any objection against adding the man page back from the
>1.1.5.1 system?
I fixed this problem about a month ago. There is a ddb manual page in
-current.
-DG
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 19:05:11 1995
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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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To: davidg@Root.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de
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> I fixed this problem about a month ago. There is a ddb manual page in
>-current.
I hope that the man page or some obvious place is stated that you
need the new boot blocks and to type "-D" at the boot prompt
to load the symbols. I know that I am using current...
A good place would be in the FAQ about kernel debugging. Just
a few lines there may save future kernel hackers a lot of headaches.
Amancio
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Subject: Re: NCSA Httpd 1.3 for FBSD 1.1.5.1?
To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:11:24 +0800 (SST)
From: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong <lsys@np.ac.sg>
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> Someone should note (so I will) that proxy use of the CERN httpd is
> very different than using it as a server itself. Not that you can't
> do both, but I think maybe you can't do both with the same instance.
Yes, you can. I'm doing it right now.
BTW, there has been some concern regarding the security of CERN's bulky
common library code, wrt running it on a firewall. Some one at Boulder
is working on a simpler caching proxy. Can't recall off-hand, but I can dig
the reference up if anyone cares.
> One typical proxy configuration is use of the 'term' socket tunneling
> across a link, since NetScape is not source recompilable for 'term'
> support.
On a LAN, Socks is preferred.
> The typical recommended usage is on a firewall machine where outgoing
> connections are not allowed (perhaps without the knowledge that you
> can filter incoming packets without the response bit to allow outgoing
> connections without allowing incoming ones?).
Not all routers do that. Not everyone has control of their "outer" router(s).
Cheers.
- PS
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Computer Centre, Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 19:18:26 1995
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Subject: Re: NCSA Httpd 1.3 for FBSD 1.1.5.1?
To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:11:24 +0800 (SST)
From: SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong <lsys@np.ac.sg>
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> Someone should note (so I will) that proxy use of the CERN httpd is
> very different than using it as a server itself. Not that you can't
> do both, but I think maybe you can't do both with the same instance.
Yes, you can. I'm doing it right now.
BTW, there has been some concern regarding the security of CERN's bulky
common library code, wrt running it on a firewall. Some one at Boulder
is working on a simpler caching proxy. Can't recall off-hand, but I can dig
the reference up if anyone cares.
> One typical proxy configuration is use of the 'term' socket tunneling
> across a link, since NetScape is not source recompilable for 'term'
> support.
On a LAN, Socks is preferred.
> The typical recommended usage is on a firewall machine where outgoing
> connections are not allowed (perhaps without the knowledge that you
> can filter incoming packets without the response bit to allow outgoing
> connections without allowing incoming ones?).
Not all routers do that. Not everyone has control of their "outer" router(s).
Cheers.
- PS
--
Ng Pheng Siong * lsys@np.ac.sg * ngps@np.ac.sg
Computer Centre, Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 19:19:24 1995
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To: sos@login.dknet.dk (S|ren Schmidt)
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Subject: Re: Attic files deleted?
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<9502191846.AA16713@login.dknet.dk>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:18:43 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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I think an entirely new hat is going to have to be invented
for this one! :-)
Jordan
> > Dreadfully sorry for any inconvenience caused!
> >
> > Jordan
>
> Who has that pointy hat again :-)
>
> I guess jordans ears are too small to keep it up over his eyes :-) :-)
>
> (hi hi hi)
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team
> So much code to hack -- so little time
> ..
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 20:40:19 1995
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This patch allows the snmp agent to return the correct values for
the udp values.
*** snmp_vars.c Fri Jan 6 11:50:20 1995
--- snmp_vars.c.new Mon Feb 20 04:20:25 1995
***************
*** 1850,1858 ****
switch (vp->magic){
case UDPINDATAGRAMS:
case UDPNOPORTS:
case UDPOUTDATAGRAMS:
! long_return = 0;
return (u_char *) &long_return;
case UDPINERRORS:
long_return = udpstat.udps_hdrops + udpstat.udps_badsum +
--- 1850,1863 ----
switch (vp->magic){
case UDPINDATAGRAMS:
+ long_return = udpstat.udps_ipackets;
+ return (u_char *) &long_return;
case UDPNOPORTS:
+
+ long_return = udpstat.udps_noport;
+ return (u_char *) &long_return;
case UDPOUTDATAGRAMS:
! long_return = udpstat.udps_opackets;
return (u_char *) &long_return;
case UDPINERRORS:
long_return = udpstat.udps_hdrops + udpstat.udps_badsum +
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 20:42:58 1995
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From: PVinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra)
Subject: problems w/ 1 Gig WD Caviar drive
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I'm having trouble with my new wd Caviar 31000 drive under 2.0R. BSD
keeps telling me about bad sectors, which WD's ATA/IDE tools can't find.
I'm assuming that the problem is a lack of ATA support in WD.C. If this
is true, is someone working on this? If not, does anyone know where can
I find the ATA specs?
Thanks,
Paul Vinciguerra
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 19 22:04:28 1995
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Subject: Re: problems w/ 1 Gig WD Caviar drive
To: PVinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:03:34 -0800 (PST)
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> I'm having trouble with my new wd Caviar 31000 drive under 2.0R. BSD
> keeps telling me about bad sectors, which WD's ATA/IDE tools can't find.
Can you send us the exact messages you see ?
Also, describe in detail the FDISK layout and the disklabel.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated.
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From: Wankle Rotary Engine <wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu>
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Subject: getrlimit()/setrlimit() strangeness
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The other day a user here asked about increasing the per-process limit
for the maximum number of open file descriptors (they have a server process
that needs to have many file descriptors open at once for some periods of
time). I put together the following test program to demonstrate how
getrlimit() and setrlimit() could be used for this purpose:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/time.h>
#include <sys/resource.h>
/* FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 brokenness. */
#ifdef RLIMIT_OFILE
#define RLIMIT_NOFILE RLIMIT_OFILE
#endif
#define MAXCONNECTIONS 1024
main ()
{
struct rlimit limit;
if (!getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &limit))
{
printf ("Current soft file descriptor limit: [%d]\n",
limit.rlim_cur);
printf ("Current hard file descriptor limit: [%d]\n",
limit.rlim_max);
limit.rlim_cur = limit.rlim_max = MAXCONNECTIONS;
if (setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &limit) == -1)
{
fprintf(stderr,"error setting max fd's to %d\n",
limit.rlim_cur);
perror("setrlimit");
exit(-1);
}
}
if (!getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &limit))
{
printf ("New soft file descriptor limit: [%d]\n",
limit.rlim_cur);
printf ("New hard file descriptor limit: [%d]\n",
limit.rlim_max);
}
}
This attempts to set the number of permitted open file descriptors to
1024, which is only possible if the hard limit is equal to or higher
than that. I decided to try this program on all the platforms I had
around to see just how portable it would be. Turns out that it works
fine on just about all of them -- except FreeBSD. :(
In SunOS 4.1.3, Solaris 2.3, IRIX 5.2 and HP-UX 9.05, the program
behaves as expected: in SunOS the hard limit is 256, so the attempt
to raise the limit to 1024 fails with an error, as it should; in
Solaris 2.3 and HP-UX 5.2 the hard limit is exactly 1024, so the attempt
succeeds, as it should; it also succeeds in IRIX 5.2, where the limit is
2500. Changing the program so that it tries to exceed the hard limit
produces an error message and failure on all of these systems, again,
as it should.
In FreeBSD-current, weird things happen. I'll use freefall as an
example since I tested this program there. (The same behavior
shows up on my office machine, only my default limits are different
becase my system configuration isn't the same as freefall's.)
On freefall, I defined MAXCONNECTIONS to be 2048 instead of 1024 since
freefall's hard limit was higher than 1024.
getrlimit() reported that the soft file descriptor limit was 128 (which
is correct) and that the hard limit was -1 (which is thoroughly bogus).
The sysctl command showed that the hard limit was 1320. Attempting to
set the soft and hard limits to 2048 appeared to succeed, but reading
back the limits afterwards showed that both limits were maxed out at
1320. This behavior is not what I consider to be correct: the attempt
to raise the limits above the hard limit should have failed noisily;
instead it failed silently and the limits were trimmed at the hard
threshold. And the hard resource limit is most definitely being reported
incorectly. Why sysctl can see it properly but not getrlimit() I
have no idea. Yet.
On my 1.1.5.1 system at home, the results were a little different
but equally broken: instead of -1, getrlimit() reported the hard
limit to be something in the neighborhood of MAXINT. Aside from that,
it behaved the same as freefall, which is to say it screwed up.
Anybody else notice this? Better yet, anybody know how to fix it? :)
-Bill
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager
Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research
Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Tue Feb 7 01:49:07 EST 1995 ~~~~~~~~~
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To: Wankle Rotary Engine <wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu>
cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: getrlimit()/setrlimit() strangeness
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Feb 95 01:56:03 EST."
<199502200656.BAA02173@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu>
From: David Greenman <davidg@Root.COM>
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>getrlimit() reported that the soft file descriptor limit was 128 (which
>is correct) and that the hard limit was -1 (which is thoroughly bogus).
Actually, no, it isn't. -1 is RLIM_INFINITY which is documented in the
manual page. It simply means that there isn't a per-process hard limit. Since
the per-process maximum limit isn't being exceeded, the setrlimit must succeed
without error. The only real bug here is that the rlim_max isn't set to
something like 1024. In addition, the current way that 'maxfiles' (the maximum
number of open files on the system) is calculated is bogus and should be an
absolute value rather than based on the maximum number of processes.
-DG
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> Jordan, repeat after me, tho shall never mount disks with real data on
> them under any place in /tmp :-) :-) :-) :-[
Why mounting under /tmp ? Sun's automounter defaults to /tmp_mnt
and amd defaults to /a. We cannot use /a on freefall but I find
strange to mount under /tmp...
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While waiting to hear that the slices were working wonderfully and "flag
day" is over, I got carried away and completely revamped scsiconf. I
moved all the common code for configuration out of the "type drivers"
and into scsiconf.
Are there any volunteers out there using NEW_SCSICONF who will
test a new config(8), scsi/scsiconf, and the "type drivers"
(scsi/sd, scsi/st, etc)?
Peter
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>I hope that the man page or some obvious place is stated that you
>need the new boot blocks and to type "-D" at the boot prompt
>to load the symbols. I know that I am using current...
This will probably change before it is documented. "-D" is too much
trouble to type. I think it would be best to always load the symbols
(if they fit) and throw them out if ddb isn't in the kernel. The
main reason this isn't already done is that there is no room in the
boot blocks for checking if things fit.
>A good place would be in the FAQ about kernel debugging. Just
>a few lines there may save future kernel hackers a lot of headaches.
`find /sys/ | xargs grep symbol'.
Bruce
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Hi,
Does anyone have a port of ogi? I know that the linux crowd has one
and yes I tried to port it but I am getting core dumps not sure if it is
FreeBSD or X11R6 the cause of the problem.
Tnks,
Amancio
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>At home I'm running FreeBSD-2.0. At work I'm working on DEC-Alphas
>with OSF1. I would like to use a hard disk to carry files between
>the two systems.
I've got this to work. I have made two DOS partitions on the disk.
The first one is dummy and the second one is for FreeBSD.
The disklabel of OSF1 is written in the first sector of the disk.
Due to the dummy partition, disklabels of OSF1 and FreeBSD don't use
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Maybe there are other problems that I've not seen....
Herve Soulard.
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>>getrlimit() reported that the soft file descriptor limit was 128 (which
>>is correct) and that the hard limit was -1 (which is thoroughly bogus).
> Actually, no, it isn't. -1 is RLIM_INFINITY which is documented in the
>manual page. It simply means that there isn't a per-process hard limit. Since
Actually, RLIM_INFINITY is ((u_quad_t)1 << 63) - 1), i.e.,
0x7fffffffffffffffULL, which is a long way (in several directions at
once :-) from the signed int -1. rlimits are (signed) quad_t's. There
could easiliy be both sign extension and size bugs. You obviously have
size bugs (printing rlimits using %d). The kernel has to be careful
comparing the unsigned RLIM_INFINITY with signed rlimits. It actually
does no such comparisions - it just forgets the signedness by assigning
RLIM_INFINITY to quad_t's. RLIM_INFINITY should probably be defined as
signed in the first place:
((quad_t)((u_quad_t)1 << 63) - 1)),
i.e., 0x7fffffffffffffffLL
It was signed in 1.1.5 (0x7fffffff). The u_quad_t cast is required
because ((quad_t)1 << 63) and subtracting 1 from that both overflow.
Bruce
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Excuse me,
where can I find documentation on how snd devices are specified
in the kernel config file?
Could someone give me sample config lines for PAS16 and GUS, please?
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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<199502201014.VAA18445@godzilla.zeta.org.au>
From: David Greenman <davidg@Root.COM>
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>>I hope that the man page or some obvious place is stated that you
>>need the new boot blocks and to type "-D" at the boot prompt
>>to load the symbols. I know that I am using current...
>
>This will probably change before it is documented. "-D" is too much
>trouble to type. I think it would be best to always load the symbols
>(if they fit) and throw them out if ddb isn't in the kernel. The
>main reason this isn't already done is that there is no room in the
>boot blocks for checking if things fit.
If done early in locore, this is actually very trivial - it's simply a
matter of not preserving them. Good idea, Bruce!
-DG
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From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT)
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Subject: Re: problems w/ 1 Gig WD Caviar drive
To: PVinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:58:41 +0100 (MET)
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> I'm assuming that the problem is a lack of ATA support in WD.C. If this
> is true, is someone working on this? If not, does anyone know where can
> I find the ATA specs?
In 1.1.5.1, they were in /sys/doc/ata/*
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On Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:00:39 PST, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:
> Jordan imported libpcap as /usr/src/lib/libpcap a while back, it
Jordan didn't define SHLIB_{MAJOR,MINOR} for this lib, so it got the
default 2.0 version. My question is if I should change the version
to the version of the original sources from LBL or leave it 2.0 as
it is now.
Andras
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>> I'm assuming that the problem is a lack of ATA support in WD.C. If this
>> is true, is someone working on this? If not, does anyone know where can
>> I find the ATA specs?
>In 1.1.5.1, they were in /sys/doc/ata/*
And in the driver :-). The driver only supports the limited subset of ATA
that is essential for i/o.
The old ATA specs don't mention LBA mode and a few of other things, mostly
new commands.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: 2.0 install probs
To: rdabney@lanl.gov (R. N. Dabney)
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> I've been attempting to install 2.0 on a SCSI drive attached to a Future
> Domain 950 (yeah, yeah, I know they suck, but it is the only supported ctlr
> I have). When I write the MBR in FDISK, I get a dialog box "Invalid
> Argument" and at the bottom of the screen "Disk doesn't have MBR",
> "writedisklabel: MSP with no BSD part". The geometry reported by the startup
> probe is 2405 cyls, 6 hds, 72 secs and 507 MB. I tried changing the geometry
> in FDISK to 32 secs, 64 hds and 507 cyls. The SCSI drive is the second
> drive, the first is a IDE which I was able to FDISK and LABEL but with a
> really small slice. I can write a boot record to the SCSI (I suppose, no
> complaints). Any pointers would be appreciated.
You must specify the geometry the BIOS expects, not just any geometry.
A 2405 cylinders, I suspect there is translation.
If nothing else, you need to pull down pfdisk.exe from the FTP site and
run it under DOS to get the apparent geometry.
If pfdisk.exe (or or another partition manager) shows a single partition
of type 0x54 when run *from DOS booted from a floppy disk*, then you
will either need to dedicate the drive to BSD or hack some disklabel
values (and potentially some device drivers). Give me a yell if you
see this.
Terry Lambert
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Subject: Re: problems w/ 1 Gig WD Caviar drive
To: PVinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 9:48:27 MST
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> I'm having trouble with my new wd Caviar 31000 drive under 2.0R. BSD
> keeps telling me about bad sectors, which WD's ATA/IDE tools can't find.
>
> I'm assuming that the problem is a lack of ATA support in WD.C. If this
> is true, is someone working on this? If not, does anyone know where can
> I find the ATA specs?
Your assumption is probably wrong.
This is typical of BSD incorrectly determining the translated geometry
of a drive, then using that geometry to multiply a sector number from
the C/H/S values in the partition table -- the resulting sector being
off the end of the drive.
You should run pfdisk.exe under DOS to determine the geometry.
You need to run it off the DOS from the hard driver (for sure) and
off a floppy (for crosscheck and to supply us wuth more info).
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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>While waiting to hear that the slices were working wonderfully and "flag
>day" is over, I got carried away and completely revamped scsiconf. I
>moved all the common code for configuration out of the "type drivers"
>and into scsiconf.
>
>Are there any volunteers out there using NEW_SCSICONF who will
>test a new config(8), scsi/scsiconf, and the "type drivers"
>(scsi/sd, scsi/st, etc)?
>
>Peter
Did you by any chance make the allocation of SCSI buses dynamic (just
like all of the "type drivers").
>
>--
>Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation
>HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936
>dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267
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From: John Utz <spaz@u.washington.edu>
To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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Subject: Re: snd devices (documentation)
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Hi Folks!
On Mon, 20 Feb 1995, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote:
>
> Excuse me,
> where can I find documentation on how snd devices are specified
> in the kernel config file?
this use tyo be in somethng like /usr/sys/i386/doc/sound.doc or
something... look on freefall ...urp! mmm maybe dont look on freefall if
it s stll broken... anyway, it used to be part of the dist in 115 but
it has dissapeared.
>
> Could someone give me sample config lines for PAS16 and GUS, please?
>
If anybody has a successfully confgured PAS16 i would like to see
it too!
due to the unque form of my sound system ( PAS plus a separate
MPU-401 clone ) i have been loath to start tinkering, but it would be
nice to at least have the PAS16 functional, that way i would have at
least a base successful config to start out with....
> --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
> FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 17
> 18:32:16 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUES i386
>
thankyou!
*******************************************************************************
John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu
idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: getrlimit()/setrlimit() strangeness
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> The other day a user here asked about increasing the per-process limit
> for the maximum number of open file descriptors (they have a server process
> that needs to have many file descriptors open at once for some periods of
> time). I put together the following test program to demonstrate how
> getrlimit() and setrlimit() could be used for this purpose:
[ ... ]
> This attempts to set the number of permitted open file descriptors to
> 1024, which is only possible if the hard limit is equal to or higher
> than that. I decided to try this program on all the platforms I had
> around to see just how portable it would be. Turns out that it works
> fine on just about all of them -- except FreeBSD. :(
[ ... ]
> In FreeBSD-current, weird things happen. I'll use freefall as an
> example since I tested this program there. (The same behavior
> shows up on my office machine, only my default limits are different
> becase my system configuration isn't the same as freefall's.)
>
> On freefall, I defined MAXCONNECTIONS to be 2048 instead of 1024 since
> freefall's hard limit was higher than 1024.
>
> getrlimit() reported that the soft file descriptor limit was 128 (which
> is correct) and that the hard limit was -1 (which is thoroughly bogus).
> The sysctl command showed that the hard limit was 1320. Attempting to
> set the soft and hard limits to 2048 appeared to succeed, but reading
> back the limits afterwards showed that both limits were maxed out at
> 1320. This behavior is not what I consider to be correct: the attempt
> to raise the limits above the hard limit should have failed noisily;
> instead it failed silently and the limits were trimmed at the hard
> threshold. And the hard resource limit is most definitely being reported
> incorectly. Why sysctl can see it properly but not getrlimit() I
> have no idea. Yet.
>
> On my 1.1.5.1 system at home, the results were a little different
> but equally broken: instead of -1, getrlimit() reported the hard
> limit to be something in the neighborhood of MAXINT. Aside from that,
> it behaved the same as freefall, which is to say it screwed up.
>
> Anybody else notice this? Better yet, anybody know how to fix it? :)
This is part of the stuff that needs to be fixed for kernel and user
space multithreading, and as a result of kernel multithreading, it
also wants to be fixed for SMP.
Take a look at the way the per process open file table maps into the
system open file table, and the way the per process open file table
is allocated for the process.
In most UNIX implementations, what happens is the the per process open
file table is allocated in chunks (usually chunks of 32), and is then
chaned as a linked list of chunks.
In SVR4, the kernel realloc is used to reallocate the structure as
necessary to expand it. It turns out that this is about 30% more
efficient for your typical programs (this caveat because bash is not
a typical program and will screw you on nearly every platform as it
tries to move the real handles it maintains around to not conflict
with pipes and/or assigned descriptors).
The problem is that even when the size is increased, since BSD is not
using the SunOS approach and is not using the SVR4 approach, it is
doomed to failure. You can not allow an increase to take place, even
if requested.
In effect, it might even be possible to write off the end of the list and
blow kernel memory, although blowing it to something "useful" instead of
just resulting in "denial of service" is another matter, and I think is
statistically improbable, since the values being blown in are vnode
addresses and are therefore not very predicatable. Even if you could
predict, I think that getting a usable value is another matter.
If someone goes in to fix this, I'd suggest hash-collapse for the system
open file table so that there are not multiple instances of multiple
system open file table entries pointing to the same vnode. I'd also
suggest a reference count on the structure itself, and I'd suggest
moving the current file offset into a per process specific area; the
current location is bogus for threading. The current system open file
limit ideal is also bogus without the hash collapse, since it refers
to the limit on open files for all processes instead of the limit on
open unique files for the system.
If you really care about threading, atomic see/read and seek/write
system calls (I believe SVR4 calls these pread/pwrite) should also
be implemented to avoid seek/seek/read/read and other race conditions
resulting from the offset being a shared quantity (shared only between
threads using the same context, if the other suggested changes are
implemented).
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.
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From: PVinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra)
Subject: re: trouble w/ wd caviar drive
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You wrote:
>
>> I'm having trouble with my new wd Caviar 31000 drive under 2.0R. BSD
>> keeps telling me about bad sectors, which WD's ATA/IDE tools can't
find.
>Can you send us the exact messages you see ?
wd0f: Hard error reading fsbn 1508644 of 1508624-1508735 (wd0 bn
1906420; cn 1891 tn 1 sn 40) wd0: status 59<seekdose,drq,err>error
40<uncorr>
Sometimes there are also soft ecc errors of the same format...
>Also, describe in detail the FDISK layout and the disklabel.
>
******* Working on device /dev/rwd0d *******
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=2100
heads=16
sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)
Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in
cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=2100
heads=16
sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 0 is:
sysid 6,(Primary 'big' DOS (> 32MB))
start 63, size 164241 (80 Meg), flag 0
beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1;
end: cyl 162/ sector 63/ head 15
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 164304, size 1952496 (953 Meg), flag 80
beg: cyl 163/ sector 1/ head 0;
end: cyl 1023/ sector 63/ head 15
The data for partition 2 is: <UNUSED>
The data for partition 3 is: <UNUSED>
# /dev/rwd0c:
type: ST506 disk: ESDI/IDE label: MBR based label flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 63
tracks/cylinder: 16
sectors/cylinder: 1008
cylinders: 2100
rpm: 0
interleave: 0
trackskew: 0
cylinderskew: 0
headswitch: 0 # milliseconds
track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds
drivedata: 0
8 partitions:# size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
a: 102400 164304 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 163 -
264*)
b: 131072 266704 swap # (Cyl. 264*-
394*)
c: 1952496 164304 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 163 -
2099)
d: 2116800 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 -
2099)
e: 164241 63 MSDOS # (Cyl. 0*-
162*)
f: 1719024 397776 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 394*-
2099*)
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package=FreeBSD-ports ftp.FreeBSD.org:/pub/FreeBSD/ports-2.0/ ->
/pub/FreeBSD/ports-2.0/
Failure on 'RETR x11/tk/patches/patch-ab' command
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Permission denied.
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[...]
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----
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>>> I'm having trouble with my new wd Caviar 31000 drive under 2.0R. BSD
>>> keeps telling me about bad sectors, which WD's ATA/IDE tools can't
>find.
>>Can you send us the exact messages you see ?
>wd0f: Hard error reading fsbn 1508644 of 1508624-1508735 (wd0 bn
>1906420; cn 1891 tn 1 sn 40) wd0: status 59<seekdose,drq,err>error
>40<uncorr>
>Sometimes there are also soft ecc errors of the same format...
It looks like a normal hardware error.
>>Also, describe in detail the FDISK layout and the disklabel.
>...
Everything seems OK here.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Library version policy (was: tcpdump 3.0?)
To: olah@cs.utwente.nl (Andras Olah)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 10:40:44 -0800 (PST)
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>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:00:39 PST, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:
> > Jordan imported libpcap as /usr/src/lib/libpcap a while back, it
>
> Jordan didn't define SHLIB_{MAJOR,MINOR} for this lib, so it got the
> default 2.0 version. My question is if I should change the version
> to the version of the original sources from LBL or leave it 2.0 as
> it is now.
Probably should change it to 2.4 :-)
--
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>Now, the problem: At periods ranging from every 6 hours through to every
>2 days, the system hangs for no apparent reason. When it hangs, it goes
>completely catatonic: It doesn't respond to pings from other hosts on my
>ethernet, the console doesn't work, all disk activity stops; nothing can
>get any response out of it.
>Now, normally this wouldn't be a problem; debugging things like this is
>what kernel debuggers are for, right? Well, no, not really -- When it
>hangs, it is obviously splx()'ed to a priority higher than the console,
>'cos I can't jump to the debugger (or, indeed, get anything else on the
>console happening). If it is splx()'ed to a value like that, that would
>tend to suggest that the root cause is either something to do with the
>network or something to do with the disks (it could be anything with
>a higher priority than the console, I know, but those two seem most
>likely to me).
The disk priority is actually independent of the console priority.
I have used methods like `w/x tty_imask 0' to clear the tty interrupt
mask and allow entry to ddb at all times. This is too dangerous on a
busy machine. A variant of this should be safe enough: allow keyboard
interrupts at almost all times and don't use the keyboard or screen
until the system hangs. To allow the interrupts, enter ddb and
disassemble the keyboard interrupt handler (Xintr1) to find the
`testb $0x2,%al' instruction and replace the 0x02 by 0 using `w/b'.
Here the byte to be replaced is at Xintr1+0x2c and the replacement
command is `w/b xintr1+0x2c 0'.
Bruce
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In-reply-to: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.950220090041.4976A-100000@saul3.u.washington.edu> (message from John Utz on Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:10:20 -0800 (PST))
Subject: Re: snd devices (documentation)
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>>>>> "John" == John Utz <spaz@u.washington.edu> writes:
John> Hi Folks! On Mon, 20 Feb 1995, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote:
John> If anybody has a successfully confgured PAS16 i would
John> like to see it too! due to the unque form of my sound
John> system ( PAS plus a separate MPU-401 clone ) i have been
John> loath to start tinkering, but it would be nice to at least
John> have the PAS16 functional, that way i would have at least a
options "EXCLUDE_MPU401" # NO MPU401 support
options EXCLUDE_GUS # NO GUS support
options EXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT # NO GUS io detection
options EXCLUDE_SB # NO SB support
options EXCLUDE_SB_EMULATION # NO PAS SB emulation support
options EXCLUDE_SBPRO # NO SB Pro support
options "EXCLUDE_SB16" # NO SB 16 support
options "EXCLUDE_YM3812" # NO AdLib support
options "EXCLUDE_OPL3" # NO OPL3 chip support
device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 12 drq 7 vector pasintr
Works for me!
Paul
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This is to announce the final beta test cycle for pcvt 3.20, beta 21.
Pcvt is a video/keyboard driver for i386-based NetBSD (0.9, 1.0 and -current)
and for FreeBSD (1.0, 1.1R, 1.1.5.1R and 2.0).
Pcvt has almost full VT220 compatibility, supports national keyboard remapping,
24/25/28/40/50 lines and 80/132 columns and a configurable number of virtual
screens for character terminal and X11 sessions. It comes with a complete set
of fonts, utilities and documentation for easy integration into the above
mentioned systems.
Beta 21 is the release candiate and i will only accept bugfix patches for it.
Things done since beta 16:
bugfixes for
- keyboard handling
- virtual screen switching
- MDA/HCG and EGA support
Please have a look at Doc/ChangeLog for details. The bugfix for the virtual
screen switching made it necessary to issue another beta cycle but hopefully
made screen switching and writing to non-current displayed screens and
X server screens much more robust.
Things to do:
fix bug for FreeBSD pre-2.1 causing a kernel panic in the boot phase.
Pcvt 3.20 beta 21 can be found on:
Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de
Address: 137.226.31.2
Directory: pub/incoming
File: pcvt-320b21.tar.gz
Size: 321980 Bytes
Note: the file is invisible!
(Thanks to Thomas Gellekum and Christoph Kukulies !)
Please report any bugs, suggestions, fixes and diffs to hm@hcs.de.
Thank you,
hellmuth
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From: A.Cartelli@agora.stm.it
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I did not succeed in finding a CD-Rom drive Mitsumi with its controller.
I've a PC 486DX2 based with 16 Mbytes of ram and bus vesa; i've just
arrived at the installation of the Operating System.
Do you think that I can use a SCSI controller (Adaptec 154x series) and a
CD-Rom SCSI for the installation and use?
Thank you for the help.
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<<On Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:00:05 +0100, Andras Olah <olah@cs.utwente.nl> said:
> Jordan didn't define SHLIB_{MAJOR,MINOR} for this lib, so it got the
> default 2.0 version. My question is if I should change the version
> to the version of the original sources from LBL or leave it 2.0 as
> it is now.
Since it's a completely new library, it should really have a version
of 1.1.
-GAWollman
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From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT)
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> Do you think that I can use a SCSI controller (Adaptec 154x series) and a
> CD-Rom SCSI for the installation and use?
Of course. It is even better than a non-SCSI CD-ROM !
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>Your stuff: not at all.
Deep down, I knew that. I wasn't suffering from *that* little
self-confidence... :-)
>I looked at it, and we need to catch the power-management aspect from the
>start too. Apart from that: good.
Luckily, last week I ran into Stephen Rothwell who did the Linux APM stuff.
He and I are exchanging notes and he will send me his APM doco and
notes. I give him Tatsumi's email address. I will incorporate
it.
AMc.
BTW I am giving a seminar on FreeBSD at the NSW AUUG meeting
next week. Does anybody have any existing material that I can
use? Like slides, notes etc. I promise full attribution etc...
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> From: julian@TFS.COM (Julian Elischer)
> Julian, is this using 38,4 ISDN or 64K ISDN?
64K ISDN
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Hi
I have just found out that the Cabletron ethernetcard I recently picked up
is a E21xx card. I uses a NS DP83902 chip which is software configurable
for IRQ, ram addresses etc.
Any ideas whether this thingy is compatible to something FreeBSD has a driver
for? My guess would be the ed driver, but a quick attempt didnot work.
Lacking any docs on the card I'm just guessing my way around.
Wilko
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This might be a creezie question: is there any SW to mount the doublespaced
DOS drives?
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To: Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Feb 95 23:07:17 +1636."
<199502202207.XAA00809@yedi.iaf.nl>
From: David Greenman <davidg@Root.COM>
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>Hi
>
>I have just found out that the Cabletron ethernetcard I recently picked up
>is a E21xx card. I uses a NS DP83902 chip which is software configurable
>for IRQ, ram addresses etc.
>
>Any ideas whether this thingy is compatible to something FreeBSD has a driver
>for? My guess would be the ed driver, but a quick attempt didnot work.
>Lacking any docs on the card I'm just guessing my way around.
The 83902 is compatible with other 8390 type NICs and would work with
the ed driver if was going to work. The card-specific interface may be
unusual, however, and require driver changes before it will work. Sorry I
can't be more specific.
-DG
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Subject: Re: pcvt 3.20 beta 21 ready for testing
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Excerpts from internet.computing.freebsd-hackers: 20-Feb-95 pcvt 3.20
beta 21 ready for.. by Hellmuth Michaelis@hcswo
> Pcvt 3.20 beta 21 can be found on:
>
> Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de
> Address: 137.226.31.2
> Directory: pub/incoming
> File: pcvt-320b21.tar.gz
> Size: 321980 Bytes
For people on this side of the pond I've stuff stuck it on ftp.phred.org
in /pub/BSD. This is a well connected machine (10megabit to T3).
alex
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Here's the sound.doc file. Sorry if this is a waste of the mailing list
bandwidth:
NOTE! Check that there is no #define EXCLUDE_<cardname> lines for
the cards you are configuring in the sound/local.h. Otherwise
the low level driver for the card is not compiled in the kernel.
You may add one or more of the following depending on what you do NOT
want compiled into your kernel. Only use the options for which you
do NOT have a card to support it, or if you do not want a particular
functionality.
options EXCLUDE_AUDIO # NO digital audio support
options EXCLUDE_SEQUENCER # NO sequencer support
options "EXCLUDE_MPU401" # NO MPU401 support
options EXCLUDE_GUS # NO GUS support
options EXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT # NO GUS io detection
options EXCLUDE_SB # NO SB support
options EXCLUDE_SB_EMULATION # NO PAS SB emulation support
options EXCLUDE_SBPRO # NO SB Pro support
options "EXCLUDE_SB16" # NO SB 16 support
options "EXCLUDE_YM3812" # NO AdLib support
options "EXCLUDE_OPL3" # NO OPL3 chip support
options EXCLUDE_PAS # NO Pro Audio Studio support
options EXCLUDE_PRO_MIDI # NO PAS MIDI support
options EXCLUDE_CHIP_MIDI # NO MIDI chip support
options EXCLUDE_MIDI # NO MIDI support whatsoever
To enable sound card support, you need to uncomment and add one or more of
the following lines to your kernel configuration file according to the
directions below:
#device snd5 at isa? port 0x330 irq 6 vector mpuintr
#device snd4 at isa? port 0x220 irq 15 drq 6 vector gusintr
#device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6 vector pasintr
#device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vector sbintr
#device snd6 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 5 vector sbintr
#device snd7 at isa? port 0x300
#device snd1 at isa? port 0x388
Note for PAS user: you should change snd1 line to
#device snd1 at isa? port 0x38a
(next stereo port) to avoid conflict with snd3
Unit numbers are:
1 for Yamaha FM synth
2 for SB/SB Pro DSP
3 for PAS PCM and Midi
4 for GUS
5 for MPU-401 (there is separate driver for the SB16)
6 for SB16 (DSP)
7 for SB16 Midi (MPU-401 emulation)
If you have ProAudioSpectrum, uncomment units 3, 2 and 1
If you have SoundBlaster 1.0 to 2.0 or SB Pro, uncomment 2 and 1.
If you have SoundBlaster 16, uncomment 2, 1, 6 and 7.
(use the same IRQ for the cards 2, 6 and 7. The DMA of the
card 2 is the 8 bit one and the DMA of the card 6 is the 16 bit one.
the port address of the card 7 is the Midi I/O address of the SB16.
If you have GravisUltrasound, uncomment 4
If you have MPU-401, uncomment 5
NOTE: The MPU-401 driver may or may not work, and is unfortunately
unverifiable since no one I know has one. If you can test this,
please let me know! Also note that you will have to change these
settings if your soundcard is set for a non-standard address or IRQ.
Please check your documentation (or verify with any provided DOS utilities
that may have come with your card) and set the IRQ or address fields
accordingly.
Also: Some systems with the OPTI chipset will require you to #define
BROKEN_BUS_CLOCK in /sys/i386/sound/pas2_card.c. Symptoms are that
you will hear a lot of clicking and popping sounds, like a geiger counter,
coming out of the PAS even when is not playing anything.
Probing problems: Since the SB16 uses the same IRQ and addresses for
the different drivers, some of the snd dirvers will not be probed because
the kernel thinks there is a conflict. Until a real solution is implemented,
to get all the snd drivers to work, immediately return(0) to the haveseen()
call in /sys/i386/isa/isa.c on your local copy. (Warning: doing this
will bypass checks for ALL drivers, so be careful)
- Jordan Hubbard (jkh@freefall.cdrom.com)
- Steven Wallace (swallace@freefall.cdrom.com)
Viren
bsd@faser.cs.olemiss.edu
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I have been having this problem for a while..
It seem's that the latest sup as of a few days ago only reconizes one of my modem a tad older on reconizes two modem.
I have three internal 28.8 zoom modems..I am pretty sure they are setup correclt.
One of them is on com2,irq3 com3,irq5 com4,irq2...
com2 doesnt seem to be noticed..either does com1 when i setup the modem for that.
ACtually only com2 and com4 is noticed on the latest kernel.
I need somme kind of patch bad..I have people that need to use those dialins.
So if somebody know's how to fix this please tell me..
thanks
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> BTW I am giving a seminar on FreeBSD at the NSW AUUG meeting
> next week. Does anybody have any existing material that I can
> use? Like slides, notes etc. I promise full attribution etc...
Get in touch with me.. I'd also like to know the focus of your
seminar - it would help me to understand better what you're looking
for.
Jordan
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Subject: Re: snd devices (documentation)
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Just out of curosity, has any work ever been done to clean up the
sound drivers (so that they don't use different device id's (snd1,
snd2, etc) for various support from boards, but instead so that you
can have multiple sound boards and they work in a normalish way.
Support for two sound blasters or the like, to get in and out audio,
would be a really nifty thing.
Also, having INCLUDE_PAS seems a lot nicer then EXCLUDE_PAS (that
way you have four or five INCLUDEs instead of 15 or so EXCLUDEs).
I know I should offer to work on this stuff, but I'm busy enough
right now as it is :) I also know that its a Linux driver originally,
and thus cleaning it up would be a little more of a pain because
you'd have to clean it up for multiple system types...
alex
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From: Sujal Patel <smpatel@wam.umd.edu>
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To: John Utz <spaz@u.washington.edu>
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On Mon, 20 Feb 1995, John Utz wrote:
> If anybody has a successfully confgured PAS16 i would like to see
> it too!
> due to the unque form of my sound system ( PAS plus a separate
> MPU-401 clone ) i have been loath to start tinkering, but it would be
> nice to at least have the PAS16 functional, that way i would have at
> least a base successful config to start out with....
Try this for your PAS. This should work, you may need to adjust the
IRQ, PORT, DMA... Make sure you leave the "snd3" part intact (don't
change it to snd0)
device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6 vector pasintr
Sujal
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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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>Just out of curosity, has any work ever been done to clean up the
The problem is not the sound driver per se but the lack of a
volunteer to support a FreeBSD sound driver(s).
It is already hard enough to keep up with the sound driver.
We could beef up config to understand better about configuring
the sound driver(s). It places a minor maintenance burden on
config and less painful migration path from linux to FreeBSD.
On FreeBSD-1.1.5 and I believe that with the Linux sound driver
there is a simple document which outlines how to configure the
Linux sound driver. This document got wipe out on FreeBSD-2.0.
I think that in addition to raising the issues of ease of
configuration of the sound drivers, we should focus more
on sound applications in general. I have yet to see a single
sound app coming out of this FreeBSD group, oops, I just
remember tracker.
So show us what you can do with the sound drivers and we can
show you a much easier to configure sound driver.
Enjoy,
Amancio
From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 20 22:07:55 1995
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From: Tom Samplonius <tom@haven.uniserve.com>
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Subject: "route" crashes kernel...
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I'm using the 950210 snapshot, and I've found that doing:
route add 198.53.215.253 -link sl0
consistently causes a "Page fault while in kernel mode" error.
Tom
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<---- Begin Included Message ---->
I've been attempting to install 2.0 on a SCSI drive attached to a Future
Domain 950 (yeah, yeah, I know they suck, but it is the only supported ctlr
I have). When I write the MBR in FDISK, I get a dialog box "Invalid
Argument" and at the bottom of the screen "Disk doesn't have MBR",
"writedisklabel: MSP with no BSD part". The geometry reported by the startup
probe is 2405 cyls, 6 hds, 72 secs and 507 MB. I tried changing the geometry
in FDISK to 32 secs, 64 hds and 507 cyls. The SCSI drive is the second
drive, the first is a IDE which I was able to FDISK and LABEL but with a
really small slice. I can write a boot record to the SCSI (I suppose, no
complaints). Any pointers would be appreciated.
<---- End Included Message ---->
I'm a bit confused on which drive you are trying to write the MBR to,
so I will assume this:
1) Your first drive (C: in DOS terms) is the IDE.
2) Your second drive (D:) is the SCSI.
3) You have been trying to write an MBR to the SCSI drive.
The MBR - Master Boot Record - is only written to (or needs only
to be written to) the first disk. The BSD MBR will allow you
to boot from the SCSI drive since it loads off the first disk, but
lets you pick which disk to boot from.
The partition tables are written to both disks.
If you can write the MBR to the first (IDE) disk and partition and
label both disks successfully, you shouldn't have a problem.
-Louis
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krnlhkr@mcs.com !
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To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?=
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: If it's only tar that has problems with rmt, can't we fix that
: instead?
I've had to make the sym link when backup up using rdump. The problem
is in the SunOS rdump code for which I have no source...
Warner
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>
>
> I did not succeed in finding a CD-Rom drive Mitsumi with its controller.
> I've a PC 486DX2 based with 16 Mbytes of ram and bus vesa; i've just
mcd0 io 0x300 irq 10 are the defaults. You can boot the kernel with
option -c at the Boot: prompt and change the addresses accordingly
if you have your board on non standard addresses.
>
> arrived at the installation of the Operating System.
> Do you think that I can use a SCSI controller (Adaptec 154x series) and a
> CD-Rom SCSI for the installation and use?
If it is a supported CDROM drive, yes.
>
> Thank you for the help.
>
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 17
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> I did not succeed in finding a CD-Rom drive Mitsumi with its controller.
[....]
Please do not cross post to all FreeBSD-lists at once. FreeBSD-questions
would have been sufficient.
>
>
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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Subject: a.out format?
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Moin moin,
while porting elk I'm having problems with the `dump' primitive.
Dumping itself does work, the header looks OK (same text offset,
text address, entry point for the original and the dumped file,
different data size) but the new file just hangs when I run it.
Since I'm not familiar with the file layout I don't know whether it
is a problem in elk or in the configuration.
The config currently looks like this:
# These four variables are only relevant if the system has the BSD-style
# a.out format.
# segment_size is the segment size of the system's memory management
# unit, i.e. the number to a multiple of which the size of an a.out
# segment (e.g. .text) is rounded up.
# file_text_start is the file offset at which the text segment starts
# in an a.out file.
# mem_text_start is the starting address of the text segment in memory.
# text_length_adj must be set to "sizeof (struct exec)" if the length of
# the text segment stored in the a.out header includes the a.out header
# itself.
segment_size=__LDPGSZ
file_text_start='(sizeof(struct exec))'
mem_text_start='(N_TXTADDR(hdr))'
text_length_adj='(sizeof(struct exec))'
I'm only guessing about N_TXTADDR, it's not documented in the man
page. The values for 386BSD (or an early FreeBSD) are
segment_size=4096, file_text_start=4096, mem_text_start=0,
text_length_adj=0; they come from elk's author.
Thanks for any help.
tg
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Subject: Re: snd devices (documentation)
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> >>>>> "John" == John Utz <spaz@u.washington.edu> writes:
>
> John> Hi Folks! On Mon, 20 Feb 1995, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote:
>
>
> John> If anybody has a successfully confgured PAS16 i would
> John> like to see it too! due to the unque form of my sound
> John> system ( PAS plus a separate MPU-401 clone ) i have been
> John> loath to start tinkering, but it would be nice to at least
> John> have the PAS16 functional, that way i would have at least a
>
>
> options "EXCLUDE_MPU401" # NO MPU401 support
> options EXCLUDE_GUS # NO GUS support
> options EXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT # NO GUS io detection
> options EXCLUDE_SB # NO SB support
> options EXCLUDE_SB_EMULATION # NO PAS SB emulation support
> options EXCLUDE_SBPRO # NO SB Pro support
> options "EXCLUDE_SB16" # NO SB 16 support
> options "EXCLUDE_YM3812" # NO AdLib support
> options "EXCLUDE_OPL3" # NO OPL3 chip support
>
>
> device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 12 drq 7 vector pasintr
>
> Works for me!
> Paul
For mee too now. cat cuckoo.au >/dev/audio now sounds much better than over
/dev/pcaudio.:-)
>
>
>
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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I'm afraid I'm asking for trouble! ;-) So far I've got the
following possibilities for the version number of libpcap:
1) We've got libpcap v0.0pl3 from ftp.ee.lbl.gov in our tree.
2) When installed it defaults to libpcap.so.2.0 (current situation)
3) Garrett proposed 1.1
4) Rod voted for 2.4
Andras (newbie committer)
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Subject: Re: Library version policy (was: tcpdump 3.0?)
To: olah@cs.utwente.nl (Andras Olah)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:15:48 -0800 (PST)
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> I'm afraid I'm asking for trouble! ;-) So far I've got the
> following possibilities for the version number of libpcap:
>
> 1) We've got libpcap v0.0pl3 from ftp.ee.lbl.gov in our tree.
> 2) When installed it defaults to libpcap.so.2.0 (current situation)
> 3) Garrett proposed 1.1
> 4) Rod voted for 2.4
My input was based upon a few quick greps over the sources we have
and turning up the following in pcap.h:
#define PCAP_VERSION_MAJOR 2
#define PCAP_VERSION_MINOR 4
Now why the called the tarball v0.0pl3 when infact the thing calls
itself 2.4 is beyond me :-(
--
Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com
Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD
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I vote for leaving it exactly the way it is.
Jordan
> I'm afraid I'm asking for trouble! ;-) So far I've got the
> following possibilities for the version number of libpcap:
>
> 1) We've got libpcap v0.0pl3 from ftp.ee.lbl.gov in our tree.
> 2) When installed it defaults to libpcap.so.2.0 (current situation)
> 3) Garrett proposed 1.1
> 4) Rod voted for 2.4
>
> Andras (newbie committer)
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> By the way, how can I make FreeBSD not use the FPU? Disabling npx0
>makes all programs abort with error 8. I'm trying to figure out how FPU
Signal 8? It should work if a math emulator is configured.
>intensive maplay is. Would compiling it with -msoft-float do it or would
>libm still use the FPU? My 486DX40 can't even keep up with one channel in
It would still use the FPU (or the FPU emulator) for a couple of things
and libm would use the FPU [emulator] for everything unless libm is
compiled with -msoft-float.
Bruce
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In article <3iakqv$aj5@fido.asd.sgi.com>,
Larry McVoy <lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com> wrote:
> yet another mine is better debate, huh :-) I'll try and be nice,
>there aren't any winners in this sort of debate. But I think there are
>some points to be made, so here goes:
Sorry, I really didn't intend it as such. In fact, the Linux comments
were an afterthought and probably should have been left out as they
only distracted from the real thrust of my argument. Oh well, we move on..
>The NetBSD and FreeBSD efforts are certainly currently free source. The BSDI
>effort is absolutely not free source, in fact, you can't get it all or if
>you do, you can't redistribute it.
Ah yes, well, I really only talking about the current batch of free OS
alternatives. BSDI never set out to create a free OS as Linux, FreeBSD
and NetBSD did, so it's sort of apples and oranges to cite them as examples
of "what happens when the good go commercial." In fact, I've always regarded
BSDI's principle contribution as support and a committment to stability.
Nothing that the GPL or BSD copyrights have much effect over, really, and
actually a very good example of how the technology can be almost entirely
removed as the principle commercial component. BSDI's customers aren't
paying for the most advanced, cutting edge technology money can buy, they're
paying for simple, mundane "do the job day after day" technology and all the
support and documentation that actually makes it USABLE to them.
So unless the FSF becomes the "Free Support Foundation", I can't see them
as having that large an impact on the issues that are really coming up in
our faces these days. The technology is the easy part now, and I think your
unfortunate SunOS experiences may have colored your thinking just a bit.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe that if SunOS were released
in source form today, it would be a matter of great rejoicing amongst
the hacker community but of comparative insignificance to the majority of
its current customers. Why? Because they have no real reason to care.
Sure, some astute business types might see a market opportunity in taking
that technology and forming ANOTHER company to create some variant of it,
but to the end-user the bottom line would still be "Who do I give my money
to and how much support do I get for it?"
>The NetBSD and FreeBSD efforts do not have a company providing commercial
>support; that makes them not a good choice for businesses.
Not YET, no.. :-)
>My point is, Jordan, that as long as good people like you have control,
>things are fine. Sun was started with a bunch of great hackers, just
>like yourself, that had a vision and executed it. Then idiots like
>McNealy and Zander came to power, and he and his MBA coherts started
>making bad choices. There were people (me, for example) that felt
>that we should give the old code away, make it "open", and I worked full
>time for 4 months to try and make that happen. No go. Not open.
>Nothing that a bunch of good guys, like the engineers, can do about
>it when the MBAs get control.
I do understand this, but I'm also firmly of the opinion that Operating
Systems will become largely irrelevant in the next 5 years! The likes
of McNealy and Zander can make all the policy statements they like, but
they'll be about as effective as the captian of the Titanic shouting
rudder orders as the ship goes down. Who *cares* about operating systems?
Dweebs like us, sure, but when the base technology has reached a certain
baseline of functionality then more and more of what's important will
start moving into the realm of 3rd party applications (along with even such
"core" OS features as add-on filesystems and drivers). In fact, if you look
at the evolution of operating systems in general, you'll see a pattern
something like this:
50's-60's: Operating system provided by hardware vendor. Locked down.
70's: Operating systems begin to be provided by people who have nothing
to do with hardware at all (CP/M, DOS, etc).
80's: Operating systems start to become interchangable and begin swapping
standard components. People start talking about getting rich with
killer apps rather than killer machine/OS environments.
90's: Applications hold sway. OS starts becoming a thin and often laughably
featureless program launcher (Windows).
late-90's (prediction): Some backlash from Windows occurs, but OSs never
regain their former preeminence. A more stable marriage between between
better OS technology and less OS-specific applications layer stuff results.
So the point is that yes, there used to be wolves in the forest and yes, they
occasionally ate OS people like yourself, but they've all since moved on to
bigger game. There's really no need to worry about a pack of MBAs decending
on FreeBSD and trying to make millions from it - the pickings just ain't that
rich! They know that their time is much better spent trying to write the next
equivalent of "Quicken" and selling it to Microsoft for gajillions of dollars.
>The GPL is an ace in the hole against the MBAs. You may not see it
>now, but in a few years, when BSDI or some other company is having
>success supporting some BSD, you will start to see my point as you try
>and get the source for some changes and they don't give it to you.
Actually, I would almost kind of hope that in a few years the likes of us
will be almost completely marginalized! Like I said before, who *cares*
about operating systems except for other OS geeks? In 5 years you'll
have your 100mb/sec interactive cable tee-vee hookup providing you
with all kinds of keeno services and you won't even know or care what's
really underneath (well, OK, YOU will but Joe Average won't! :-). All that
will come to matter is the content you're being provided, and the people
providing that content will be the ones getting rich.
Think of the movie industry - where's the real money: For the company
that produces the commercial film stock or for those folks that shoot
movies like "Terminator 2" onto it? I'll give you 3 guesses.. :-) :-)
>the guys in charge are now, and will remain, good guys. Bad
>assumption, money screws up people's morals. Some people, like MBAs.
Sir Lancelot: "No, no! I need my morals tested! Let me stay! I'll
fight them off! Really!" :-)
Again, I just really don't see that happening (drat!). Our morals just ain't
worth enough these days! I talked to Linus a bit about this, as he's
probably the one individual who has danced more with the devil (Novell) than
any of us has even been given the chance to, and I didn't get the feeling that
he was being offering money in sacks. Linus got a couple of nice ski
vacations in Utah out of it, and a couple of nice machines to play with,
but I don't see him riding around in a limo any time soon because of Linux.
I think your bitter experience with SunOS has left you with some fears that
are about 5 years out of date. I'm not saying that they're invalid, simply
dated.
>That's very cool. I like that a lot. Get BSDI to join in and you are
>going somewhere.
While this certainly sounds good in principle, I'm not sure what they would
be ``joining''. Our technology has always been open for the taking, but then
it's not our technology that they really need. They need more and more
aggressive marketing, strategic commercial partnerships, more native
applications, all the things that they can really only get for themselves
and has very little to do with us (though we'll happily buy and run those
native apps! :-).
>Really, Jordan, how do you counter the claim that if *BSD ever becomes
>commerically viable, and hence valuable, then I claim the company that
>is supporting it will lock it up. Just like BSDI. Explain a way around
Easy: Because they can't. FreeBSD has been released in source code
form for almost 2 years now, and is mirrored in at least 14 different
countries. This was never the case before with any commercial OS (still
existing, anyway) that I can think of.
So the MBAs can make any pronouncements they like, but how are they going to
enforce them? The users are always empowered to band together and do their
OWN versions that are, in all likelyhood, even better than the commercial
offerings (if only to spite them! :-).
In time, if the MBAs have any brains at all, they'll make some sort of
peace agreement with the free community and work out some sort of exchange
of ideas that enriches both sides - it would be the profitable thing to do!
That was my original point against the GPL - it precludes even this from
happening, and sometimes market forces can create GOOD as well as evil.
Since we've already got the source code out there and the Evil Ones can
only slam the barn door long after the horses have escaped, then we've
only left the door open for future creative partnerships. The world
of commerce and the world of free software CAN work in concert, just so
long as both sides are willing to handle it with finesse. It's certainly
my goal to do so, both now and in the future.
>that problem that is iron clad, and I'm a BSD bigot again :-) Not that
>you would want me :-)
Oh yes, you also give yourself far too little credit. I'd take you
in a hot minute! :-)
Jordan
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>I'm afraid I'm asking for trouble! ;-) So far I've got the
>following possibilities for the version number of libpcap:
>
>1) We've got libpcap v0.0pl3 from ftp.ee.lbl.gov in our tree.
>2) When installed it defaults to libpcap.so.2.0 (current situation)
>3) Garrett proposed 1.1
>4) Rod voted for 2.4
>
>Andras (newbie committer)
I think you should just bump the version to 2.1. Anything else is just
asking for trouble.
-DG
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The NE2000 driver for Linux knows how to handle some Cabletron cards.
They are not recommended though as Cabletron doesn't give out any
programming information. (CWRU gives out Cabletron cards to almost all
students.)
Jonas
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It has been decided here that the 2.1 CD is going to be released with
posters, t-shirts and (if I get my way! :) coffee mugs, all covered
with the smiling face of our favorite little daemon character. These
will be *promotional* items, targeted at journalists, dealers and of
course FreeBSD contributors of note. I do not know at this time if
we'll be actually selling any of them, but this remains to be
determined (PLEASE do NOT send me mail asking to buy any of the
mentioned items - I will certainly send out additional announcements
when and if it's appropriate to do so). In any case, the purpose of
this posting is to solicit suggestions as to what exactly we'll be
putting on the promo items.
We have the choice to do the same old thing, namely Kirk's 4.3BSD
daemon (it's generally acknowledged that the 4.4BSD daemon isn't
anywhere near as popular with the BSD devotees!), or we can do
something entirely new! We have several professional artists here at
Walnut Creek CDROM and it's well within the realm of possibility for
us to do special pictures of the daemon running, jumping,
pole-vaulting, writing code, servicing a combine harvester, whatever
we think is a particularly "FreeBSD" associated activity. This is all
with Kirk's blessing and has been worked out with him in advance.
The NetBSD folks (well, Theo) did a tee-shirt where they had multiple
daemons straining over a pile of broken terminals to erect a "NetBSD"
flag, in they style of the classic "Marines at Iwo Jima" photograph.
I always thought that this was a better shirt than ours in that they
at least tried to do something creative rather than just slapping the
same old daemon on a shirt.
Of course, it may very well be that the overwhelming majority of
FreeBSD folks out there LIKE the "classic" daemon and would react as
strongly as people did when Coca-Cola changed the recipe! :-) Either
way, I'd like to know. If we do decide to go with a special daemon, I
also promise to make GIFs of it available long before the first shirt
goes out so you all have a chance to comment on the artwork itself.
So, send me your suggestions! If your idea wins, I promise you a free
set of FreeBSD shirts, mugs, pens, posters, bubble gum cards, condoms,
etc!
Jordan
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Well, for better or for worse (and some of you will have different
opinions on this) the CFV on the comp.os.bsd.* reorganization passed.
There are now 386bsd, FreeBSD and NetBSD specific groups.
Despite any misgivings people may have about the split, I think it's
incumbent upon us to now make the best possible use of our new newsgroups.
I would also like to extend special thanks to Kaleb S. Keithley for
dealing with the incredible amount of suffering and debate that this
whole process entailed. Whatever their opinion of the outcome,
I don't think that anyone can argue that Kaleb put in a great deal
of work for absolutely zero reward. It's an absolutely thankless
job, and Kaleb did it! Thank you, Mr. Keithley!
Jordan
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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@kryten.atinc.com>
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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the daemon says "The best things in life are Free"
"FreeBSD 2.xxx"
Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc.
| 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy
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From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" <ugen@netvision.net.il>
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>So, send me your suggestions! If your idea wins, I promise you a free
>set of FreeBSD shirts, mugs, pens, posters, bubble gum cards, condoms,
>etc!
Hmm..first of all where can i get picture of 4.4 Daemon? 4.3 i have here
?????
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> This might be a creezie question: is there any SW to mount the doublespaced
> DOS drives?
Linux has some preliminary code for read-only mounting of double-spaced
drives.
Terry Lambert
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From: Julian Howard Stacey <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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> Julian, is this using 38,4 ISDN or 64K ISDN?
64K
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From: Julian Howard Stacey <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
> It supports the defunct but still extant German ISDN standard and the
> new EUROISDN standard, so if you can find a card that's compatible with
> that, go for it!
The Lion Datapump apparently supports EUROISDN,
I'm trying to arrange a discount price (no software bundled,
it normally ships at 600 DM with bundled DOS binaries here)
Julian S
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From: Julian Howard Stacey <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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FYI ISDN line installation in Germany costs 130DM once & ~70 Dm/month
(there's about 1.7 Dm / $US), analog lines are cheaper, about 70dm install,
... a 2nd analog cost about 15dm/ month ... so i ordered a 2nd analogue,
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From: Mark Hittinger <bugs@warlock.win.net>
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Subject: re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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>It has been decided here that the 2.1 CD is going to be released with
>posters, t-shirts and (if I get my way! :) coffee mugs, all covered
>with the smiling face of our favorite little daemon character.
> ...
> or we can do
>something entirely new!
Terrific. Let me toss an unpopular suggestion on the table.
The internet startup I work for now was named "Computer Witchcraft, Inc."
when I began. I fought and fought to have the name changed to something
that would not be a liability in the real world. Ultimately I won out
and the name is now "Win Net Communications, Inc." - boring - but time
has vindicated me (business reasons now!).
Let me suggest something along the same lines. Ditch the daemon thing.
Use the american eagle from the presidential seal. A symbol of Freedom.
Within its talons should be a couple of things we might use. Off the top
of my head I think there should be a screwdriver in one talon and a stripped
end of a piece of coax in the other :-) (so you can tell it is rj) Or
maybe a screwdriver and a cd-rom.
The NSA supposedly has a large mosaic of the eagle seal in their main lobby
with a large skeleton key in one talon.
At some point the demonic business comes back to get ya! Ditch it.
Now I realize that there are many non-USA participants in the FreeBSD effort.
I apologize to them for my yankee centered thought process.
Maybe we could get a picture of the statue the kids put up in Tianamin (sp?)
square and use her. Convert her torch to a cd-rom.
You get the picture. I suggest freedom symbols for FreeBSD! Although
Jordon and the core team may consider it a chain gang :-)
Regards,
Mark Hittinger
bugs@win.net
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 09:35:23 1995
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Feb 95 12:13:49 EST."
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> Let me suggest something along the same lines. Ditch the daemon thing.
Hmmmm. I'm glad I don't have your mailbox for the next couple of days! ;-)
Seriously, while I certainly understand the sentiment I don't think
that this is going to fly. The BSD Daemon is just too enshrined in
the culture, and besides I don't think using it as a corporate symbol
has done BSDI any damage! Quite the opposite, in fact. Linus
Torvalds even expressed some small envy at the fact that we had a cute
mascot like this and Linux still couldn't decide on a species, much
less a specific icon.
If anything, we need to change our daemon significantly enough that
we're not perceived as mini-BSDIs (though I suppose we could be
perceived as worse things!). Perhaps we could take the opportunity to
make him even less threatening to the bible-belters at the same time,
maybe putting little corks on the ends of his trident (get the child
safety vote), pants on the daemon (moral majority), shrink his horns
down and give him a bushy squirrel-like tail (animal rights and
cute-and-furry vote). Then, just to be safe, we'll place a handgun on
the ground someplace within his reach, just to get the NRA vote while
we're at it.
Oh yeah, also got to give him sneakers with some brand-name on them so
we can get a fat endorsement contract! :-)
Yes, yes, I know your heart was in the right place with this suggestion,
I just felt like having a little fun at your expense.. :-) :-)
Jordan
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>> config kernel root on wd0 swap on wd0 and wd1 and sd0 and sd1 and vn0 dumps on wd0
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>> This needs to be changed to wd1 for this system. You'll need a custom
Actually, it should just work. The root device is always the boot device
by default, at least if the kernel `ident' is not `GENERIC'. Perhaps the
bootstrap couldn't determine the correct boot device.
>> Is there anyway we can change this to:
>> config kernel root on boot swap on boot dumps on boot
`root on boot' is the default. `swap on boot' is sort of the default.
If the b partition of the boot/root device is not in the list of swap
devices, then it cannot be used for swap even if you give a swapon
command. Swap is no longer turned on automatically so swapconf() no
longer does anything important (it used to move the swapdev on the
boot/root device to the front of the list of swapdevs so that it was
the only swapdev that was used automatically). `dumps on boot' works
if `swap on boot' works and the original dumpdev is the same as the
new first swapdev, or more generally if SWAP_GENERIC is used as
explained by Bill.
>No, but you can do it the way SunOS does, which is just as good:
>options SWAP_GENERIC
>config kernel swap generic
>I managed to get swapgeneric.c working properly some time ago (though I'm
>not sure how it will react to the new disk slicing stuff that went into
>the tree recently). I've been building all of my custom 2.1-Development
The configuration of `rootdev' will stop working when support for booting
from an arbitrary BSD DOSpartition is put into setroot() and someone
boots from one other than the first one. The calculation of the minor
number assumes too much. This is easy to fix using the dk macros. The
calculation of `swapdev' will continue to work, but the whole
configuration of swap needs to change. Why not leave space in swapdevt[]
for a few more devices and allow swapon to change the list?
>There's a drawback to this scheme which is that it limits you to only one
>swap device. If you want to get fancy with your swap space layout, you
>still need to build a custom kernel.
One that isn't even used until `swapon -a ' in /etc/rc enables it.
/etc/fstab has to have the right devices to work.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:35:15 -0500 (EST)
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>
> the daemon says "The best things in life are Free"
> "FreeBSD 2.xxx"
Well -- I must say that I wholeheartedly approve this one, per .sig
content. Actually, I once got mail saying that someone's .sig
already said this once, but I've since forgotten who. Was it you,
Jonathan?
: James Robinson : james@hermes.cybernetics.net ::See the screaming hot black
:FreeBSD|XFree86 :The best things in life are Free:: steaming iridescent
: Frank Zappa : Music is the best ::naughahyde python screaming
: HTTP Server : http://hermes.cybernetics.net/ :: steam roller!
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From: Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
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> the daemon says "The best things in life are Free"
> "FreeBSD 2.xxx"
:-) :-) :-)
"The free things in life are best."
??
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To: james@hermes.cybernetics.net (James Robinson)
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How about
"The best things in life are Free"
<picture of daemon>
"FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
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>
> How about
>
> "The best things in life are Free"
>
> <picture of daemon>
>
> "FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
Sounds good. What shall the <picture> be? What can iconify the spirit and
mission of the project? NetBSD's was easier to capture -- cross platform
BSD. Strong daemon sitting in one monitor screen? Daemon talking to a
group of villagers on a podium [as if it were converting their religion]?
Hey, have the villagers be recognizeable computer personalities, like
bill g, a few tie and jacket IBM types, a few WARPed hippies, etc.? What
does a novell person look like? Mac user?
What about "Convert a PC near you!" as the bottom caption?
What about just a copy of the jkh perl script?
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From: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
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> How about
>
> "The best things in life are Free"
>
> <picture of daemon>
>
> "FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
Other than not mentioning the release version(2.1), I like this. The
reason I want to avoid 2.1 is because the shirts would have a fairly
short marketing life since we do fairly often releases.
Nate
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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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Hi,
I uploaded to ftp.best.com the linux patch for ogi.
Doing this mostly to help those if any that are trying
to get ogi going with FreeBSD. Is going to be a little
while longer before I can release patches for FreeBSD.
At any rate with minor hacking and the linux patch, I
managed to get ogi going over here. If you are not
into building speech recognition tools stay away from
this package. Mostly because is a set of tools to build
speech recognition systems .
Enjoy,
Amancio
Oops: the patch is at ftp.best.com:/pub/hasty/ogi-linux-patch
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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@kryten.atinc.com>
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: James Robinson <james@hermes.cybernetics.net>
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On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, James Robinson wrote:
> >
> > the daemon says "The best things in life are Free"
> > "FreeBSD 2.xxx"
>
> Well -- I must say that I wholeheartedly approve this one, per .sig
> content. Actually, I once got mail saying that someone's .sig
> already said this once, but I've since forgotten who. Was it you,
> Jonathan?
naw, i cant claim this saying with a straight face. its just
something that i heard YEARS ago, and never forgot. kinda like "she
canna take'a no mure, cap'n! she's breekin' oop!" "Power! Mr Scott, I
must have more POWER!"
but what is the daemon doing when he says this? i dont know.
some charly brown or linus style activity. flying a kite? catching
some rays? i dont know
Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc.
| 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy
play go. | Arlington, VA 22202
ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346
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> It has been decided here that the 2.1 CD is going to be released with
> posters, t-shirts and (if I get my way! :) coffee mugs, all covered
..
>
> We have the choice to do the same old thing, namely Kirk's 4.3BSD
> daemon (it's generally acknowledged that the 4.4BSD daemon isn't
> anywhere near as popular with the BSD devotees!), or we can do
> something entirely new! We have several professional artists here at
> Walnut Creek CDROM and it's well within the realm of possibility for
> us to do special pictures of the daemon running, jumping,
> pole-vaulting, writing code, servicing a combine harvester, whatever
> we think is a particularly "FreeBSD" associated activity. This is all
> with Kirk's blessing and has been worked out with him in advance.
>
I vote for something new! Let's do away with conservatism and create a
new Daemon (or at least a new picture using the old daemon).
How about some daemons feeding MBA's into a hellpit, or a bunch of
daemons litterally bursting out of a computer, sitting on the monitor
and running across the keyboard.
Marc.
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> What about just a copy of the jkh perl script?
I don't think so... Even the first ammendment would be stretched pretty
thin if you were to show that in public :-)
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated.
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Subject: Re: comp.os.bsd.freebsd.* passes!
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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> I would also like to extend special thanks to Kaleb S. Keithley for
> dealing with the incredible amount of suffering and debate that this
> whole process entailed. Whatever their opinion of the outcome,
> I don't think that anyone can argue that Kaleb put in a great deal
> of work for absolutely zero reward. It's an absolutely thankless
> job, and Kaleb did it! Thank you, Mr. Keithley!
Despite my opinions about the proposal, I'd like to thank him too for
doing it.
--
Ollivier ROBERT -=-=- Herve Schauer Consultants -=-=- roberto@hsc.fr.net
-=-=-=-=-=- Support The Free UNIX Systems ! FreeBSD NetBSD Linux -=-=-=-=-=-
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> I vote for something new! Let's do away with conservatism and create a
> new Daemon (or at least a new picture using the old daemon).
>
> How about some daemons feeding MBA's into a hellpit, or a bunch of
> daemons litterally bursting out of a computer, sitting on the monitor
> and running across the keyboard.
>
How about a picture if UCB, daemon in front caption "Daemon outside" ?
no I'm not serious, nobody would catch it.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated.
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 11:33:58 1995
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>
> > I vote for something new! Let's do away with conservatism and create a
> > new Daemon (or at least a new picture using the old daemon).
> >
> > How about some daemons feeding MBA's into a hellpit, or a bunch of
> > daemons litterally bursting out of a computer, sitting on the monitor
> > and running across the keyboard.
> >
>
How about a picture of our little hero trying to pry his way into a PC using
a crowbar?
Hmmm.. maybe not..
--
Mike Digdon # Network Operation Centre # Dalhousie University
Phone: +1 902 494-1873 # E-mail: digdon@snoopy.ucis.dal.ca
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> > I vote for something new! Let's do away with conservatism and create a
> > new Daemon (or at least a new picture using the old daemon).
> >
> > How about some daemons feeding MBA's into a hellpit, or a bunch of
> > daemons litterally bursting out of a computer, sitting on the monitor
> > and running across the keyboard.
> >
How about showing the Daemon surfing on a beach ...
Or a Daemon standing up on a long highway that disappears into the
the stars.
Or a Daemon image implanted on the moon along with the Flag and a few
foot prints of the astronauts.
Amancio
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<<On Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:18:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Samplonius <tom@haven.uniserve.com> said:
> I'm using the 950210 snapshot, and I've found that doing:
> route add 198.53.215.253 -link sl0
> consistently causes a "Page fault while in kernel mode" error.
There are a number of bugs in the routing code which cause panics when
a gateway is not supplied for a route. The supported way to express
what you have written here is:
route add -inet 198.53.215.253 ip-address-of-sl0
`-link sl0' doesn't make much sense as a destination. Perhaps you
meant to say:
route add -inet 198.53.215.253 -interface ip-address-of-sl0
which would mean that the other end of sl0 has an alias address.
In any case, you are correct that this is a bug; the kernel should not
panic even upon erroneous routing commands.
-GAWollman
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Subject: Re: comp.os.bsd.freebsd.* passes!
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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Excuse me.
The name is "comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.*", not "comp.os.bsd.freebsd.*".
Apparently, FreeBSD is a BSD derived UNIX.
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 12:23:19 1995
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From: Don Yuniskis <dgy@seagull.rtd.com>
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Subject: DOS ppp/slip packages
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Greetings!
I'd like to setup my FreeBSD box to cater to some DOS users.
Are there any freely-available packages which would allow them to run
ppp/slip into FreeBSD host? What's this "Trumpet" package?
Thx, --don
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From: Loren Koss <loren@beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu>
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Subject: I am having a problem!
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Okay, heres my setup:
ZEOS Pentium 90 w/ seagate 1 gig hard drive (Geometry = 2099 x 64 x 63).
If I just let it try to install after my dos partition (which is 780
megs), it crashes. This used to happen in 1.1.5.1, but was able to get
it to install by changing the geometry to 523 x 16 x 512. I tried this
in version 2, but it says that it can't handle sectors over 255! Okay,
after some fiddling around I find another combonation that works.
However, now DOS won't boot. Its there, but the boot manager can't boot
it. Its really beginning to bother me since 1.1.5.1 works.
Also, XFree86 3.1 doesn't seem to work well with my setup. I have a
Diamond Stealth 64 VRAM w/ 2 megs. Can you send me a working config
file.
Would I be doing myself harm if I just went back to the working version
of 1.1.5.1? Is there that much difference?
Thanx for your help.
Loren Daniel Koss | "I see no escape from the roads we always paved,
Micro Systems Group | What do we have to prove on this judgement day?"
(805) 893-8335 | -Oingo Boingo
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 12:31:37 1995
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> Excuse me.
>
> The name is "comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.*", not "comp.os.bsd.freebsd.*".
Sorry, wishful thinking! :-)
Terry's right.. For what it's worth, I wanted comp.os.freebsd.* but
that wasn't to be.. Anyway, "unix" or not that's part of our
newsgroup name.
Jordan
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To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp)
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I got it!
[I liked the Intel inside pun]
Howabout the little guy about to start running, with an opened shackle
about its ankle, which has a chain attaching it to a bowling ball
labeled "USL" ?
Would that be legal?
James
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 12:43:05 -0800
From: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
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>How about
>
>"The best things in life are Free"
>
> <picture of daemon>
>
>"FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
>
>--
>Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
>TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
>I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated.
I still want a little logo in the CD case that I can stick on my PC.
Somthing like:
<picture of daemon>
Daemon Inside!
--
Justin T. Gibbs
==============================================
TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1
Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus
==============================================
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Subject: Re: I am having a problem!
To: loren@beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (Loren Koss)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 12:53:29 -0800 (PST)
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>
> Okay, heres my setup:
> ZEOS Pentium 90 w/ seagate 1 gig hard drive (Geometry = 2099 x 64 x 63).
^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Something is seriously wrong here, either you have a 4.3G drive or your
cylinder numbers are off:
(2099 * 64 * 53 * 512) = 4333142016
> If I just let it try to install after my dos partition (which is 780
> megs), it crashes. This used to happen in 1.1.5.1, but was able to get
> it to install by changing the geometry to 523 x 16 x 512. I tried this
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Again, something is not right, this would be:
(523 * 16 * 512 * 512) = 2193620992 or 2.2Gbytes.
> in version 2, but it says that it can't handle sectors over 255! Okay,
> after some fiddling around I find another combonation that works.
> However, now DOS won't boot. Its there, but the boot manager can't boot
> it. Its really beginning to bother me since 1.1.5.1 works.
I think your problem is that your geometry calculations are all wrong :-(.
What controller are you using? And how many blocks are on your drive?
Do you have extended translation enabled on your controller?
Double, and triple check your drive geometry, every thing I see here tells
me you have gone wrong some place in your calculations :-(.
> Also, XFree86 3.1 doesn't seem to work well with my setup. I have a
> Diamond Stealth 64 VRAM w/ 2 megs. Can you send me a working config
> file.
Sorry.. don't know anything about diamond cards.
> Would I be doing myself harm if I just went back to the working version
> of 1.1.5.1? Is there that much difference?
Probably not.. depends if you need any of the new 2.0 functionality or not.
> Thanx for your help.
>
> Loren Daniel Koss | "I see no escape from the roads we always paved,
> Micro Systems Group | What do we have to prove on this judgement day?"
> (805) 893-8335 | -Oingo Boingo
--
Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com
Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD
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To: Garrett Wollman <wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu>
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On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> `-link sl0' doesn't make much sense as a destination. Perhaps you
> meant to say:
>
> route add -inet 198.53.215.253 -interface ip-address-of-sl0
>
> which would mean that the other end of sl0 has an alias address.
Well, that does work, but I was hoping it could be done the Netblazer/KA9Q
way where you can directly specify the interface in the route and where most
if not all of the interfaces have the same IP address. I notice that
ifconfig can make a route like this...
Tom
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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> Or a Daemon image implanted on the moon along with the Flag and a few
> foot prints of the astronauts.
This would probably be more effective with a lunar rover and other
artifacts in the background with astronaut foot prints everywhere,
a Daemon flag in the foreground, and Daemon bare foot-prints in the
dust near the daemon flag.
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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> I got it!
> [I liked the Intel inside pun]
> Howabout the little guy about to start running, with an opened shackle
> about its ankle, which has a chain attaching it to a bowling ball
> labeled "USL" ?
> Would that be legal?
> James
A little twist to the idea :
I think is Leonardo DaVinci's man the picture that I am thinking of
in which Man is surrounded by circle, etc. We replace the man with
the Daemon and across his arms we show the broken shackles and
on his ankles we also show broken shakles.
Amancio
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I already suggested this to Jordan privately, but I'll say it in
public for the record too.
Daemon as the Statue of Liberty, green of course.
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> Let me suggest something along the same lines. Ditch the daemon thing.
Reminds me of Kolstad's talk at last year's Usenix, about how some ultra
weird religious group found some "sixes" in their lizard logo. He finished
up by waving the "demon" poster and saying "good thing we dedn't send them
this".
Just off the top of my head.
I'd suggest a firetruck, loaded with coiled up ethernet cables and ladder
racks and stuff, manned by Jordan and the gang, waving FreeBSD CDROMs
instead of axes. The idea is they're firefighters, they have the tools
to fix your problems, the ultimate network operating system, and so on...
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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> If anything, we need to change our daemon significantly enough that
> we're not perceived as mini-BSDIs (though I suppose we could be
> perceived as worse things!).
I think mini-BSDI is exactly the thing you want to be perceived as. All
the quality and twice as friendly...
> Perhaps we could take the opportunity to
> make him even less threatening to the bible-belters at the same time,
> maybe putting little corks on the ends of his trident (get the child
> safety vote), pants on the daemon (moral majority), shrink his horns
> down and give him a bushy squirrel-like tail (animal rights and
> cute-and-furry vote).
Cool! Can we do the Jordan Hubbard As Crazed Toon Ferret Hacker Stoked On
Jolt And Chinese Food logo as well?
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:27:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Peter Howlett <phowlett@mailhub.ASG.unb.ca>
To: hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject: PCNet32 VESA with EISA SCSI
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Howdy,
Actually, I dont know if the subject says it or not. I have
been testing the new Lance PCNet ethernet driver with Paul
Richards. The driver seems to work now on VESA PCNet32 cards
(as well as regular ISA cards according to Paul). I just
tested it over the weekend on a VESA only machine:
486dx2/66 8megs ram
VESA IDE card
VESA CL5428 video
VESA PCNet32 AM79C965 chipset
This machine works great.
I also have an EISA/VESA combo board that causes
the machine to page fault whenever I ftp a large file (>50K). The
machine is:
486dx2/66 16megs ram
EISA Buslogic BT747c SCSI
EISA ATI Mach32 Video
and the VESA PCnet card (in the master slot)
The page fault looks like this:
ftp> get ....
Opening binary data connections.....
lnc0: Receive overflow error
Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address = 0xf0545364
fault code = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer = 0x8: 0xf015d5ea
code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
= DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags = interrupt enable, resume, IOPL=0
current process = 124 (cron)
interrupt mask = net tty bio
panic: page fault
Following is the nm|sort listing aroung the f015d5ea address:
f015ccb4 t common_microtime
f015ccd8 t pentium_microtime
f015cce0 F pmap.o
f015cce0 T _pmap_pte
f015cd64 T _pmap_extract
f015cdf8 T _pmap_pte_vm_page
f015ce30 T _pmap_use_pt
f015ce84 T _pmap_unuse_pt
f015cf14 T _pmap_activate
f015cf5c T _pmap_bootstrap
f015d094 T _pmap_init
f015d164 T _pmap_map
f015d1b4 T _pmap_create
f015d1e8 T _pmap_pinit
f015d290 T _pmap_growkernel
f015d43c T _pmap_destroy
f015d460 T _pmap_release
f015d47c T _pmap_reference
f015d4b4 t _pmap_alloc_pv_entry
f015d574 T _init_pv_entries
f015d5e4 t _get_pt_entry
f015d640 T _pmap_remove_entry
f015d6e8 T _pmap_remove
f015da90 T _pmap_remove_all
f015dc90 T _pmap_protect
f015de28 T _pmap_enter
f015e124 T _pmap_qenter
f015e180 T _pmap_qremove
f015e1b8 T _pmap_kenter
f015e1f4 T _pmap_kremove
f015e210 T _pmap_object_init_pt
f015e5e8 T _pmap_change_wiring
f015e6b0 T _pmap_copy
f015e6b8 T _pmap_kernel
f015e6dc T _pmap_zero_page
f015e744 T _pmap_copy_page
f015e7c4 T _pmap_pageable
f015e7cc T _pmap_page_exists
f015e8b0 T _pmap_testbit
f015eac0 T _pmap_changebit
f015ec44 T _pmap_page_protect
f015edc4 T _pmap_phys_address
f015edd0 T _pmap_is_referenced
f015ef64 T _pmap_is_modified
f015f12c T _pmap_clear_modify
f015f27c T _pmap_clear_reference
f015f3cc T _pmap_copy_on_write
f015f530 t _i386_protection_init
f015f5b4 T _pmap_mapdev
f015f640 F procfs_machdep.o
f015f640 T _procfs_read_regs
f015f660 T _procfs_write_regs
f015f680 T _procfs_read_fpregs
f015f6b0 T _procfs_write_fpregs
f015f6e0 T _procfs_sstep
f015f6fc T _procfs_fix_sstep
I guess this is the vm code. I really have no idea if this is
something that can be fixed or if its my hardware... Anyone have
any ideas?
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>Or a Daemon image implanted on the moon along with the Flag and a few
>foot prints of the astronauts.
And use....
"A small step for UN*X,
A giant step for PCs"
or something like that....
>Amancio
Viren
bsd@faser.cs.olemiss.edu
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From: Mark Hittinger <bugs@warlock.win.net>
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Subject: re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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Ok ok so your not going to ditch the daemon :-)
The daemon should be breaking a microsoft windows logo with his pitchfork :-)
crash!! broken shards of glass everyplace.
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 14:00:56 1995
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:59:56 -0800 (PST)
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>
>
The daemon, juggling multiple processes (labeled mail, networking, etc.
with another character with pointy hat (with a big D) (or W)
having trouble holding onto one ball.
:)
>
>
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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Feb 1995 12:43:05 PST."
<199502212043.MAA15462@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:10:23 EST
From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" <kaleb@x.org>
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>I still want a little logo in the CD case that I can stick on my PC.
>Somthing like:
> <picture of daemon>
> Daemon Inside!
That way when someone screws up bigtime it can do double duty as a
warning label!
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 14:50:32 1995
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 13:59:47 MST
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> How about some daemons feeding MBA's into a hellpit, or a bunch of
> daemons litterally bursting out of a computer, sitting on the monitor
> and running across the keyboard.
Sort of a side-rear-view (so you can't see the screen) of a Berke
Breathed-like "Microsquish" Bill Gates cartoon character tied up
and gagged in a chair, leaning back in cartoon alarm, with several
tiny daemons standing on him, one or two more on the visible edge
of the keyboard, and a stack of them standing smurf-like on each
other's shoulders, visibly trying to stuff a CDROM labelled 'FreeBSD'
into a tower machine's (visible behind the monitor) open non-caddy
CDROM tray. The CDROM being handed up near the top of the stack at
an angle (for good viewing of its label) at an angle indicating
imminent insertion to the horrified Bill. Maybe another daemon on
the tower PC urging/guiding the inserting stack.
Angle between the vector from Bill to the monitor and Bill to the
imaginary viewpoint ~75 degrees left, ~15 degree up from Bill's
perspective.
8-).
Terry Lambert
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 15:02:56 1995
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I need to low-level format the ide disk in my portable. Anyone has a
program for this ?
Pleas dump it on ref.tfs.com:/incoming or uuencode it in a email to me.
Thanks in advance.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated.
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 15:16:12 1995
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From: Terry Lee <terryl@CS.Stanford.EDU>
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Anyone have a guess as to the chances the Netscape Netsite Commerce
Server, the one that does secure credit card transactions, will work on
FreeBSD? They supposedly have a version for BSDI. If it does run on
FreeBSD, any thoughts as to how stable it would be? Should I just fork
out the bucks for one copy of BSDI?
Terry
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From: Mark Tinguely <tinguely@plains.nodak.edu>
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> > Let me suggest something along the same lines. Ditch the daemon thing.
>
> Hmmmm. I'm glad I don't have your mailbox for the next couple of days! ;-)
I have to disagree. cute mascots are good, and we should have one. but I have
to agree with ditching the daemon. when people mis-understand your meaning and
think you are insulting their religion you are in very deep doodoo. I think
we all read the article a couple years back about the young lady stopping in a
Texan diner while traveling home from a Usenix conference.
BSD and their artwork has been restricted to a small group. if you want to go
mainstream, you can't wear a acid-rock band like logo. a pop or mainstream
rock logo (sun comes to mind).
if we want taken serious, we have to project a serious image. that can be
done with fun to show we are still creative and fun. but the average joe
does not know the image of a daemon is different from a demon. and why
risk the alienation when we can produce something new that conveys the
same cute image?
also isn't it about time we become FreeBSD not a free copy of BSD software?
the U of California is our "mother", but FreeBSD is it's own person now,
and it is time that we devolpe our own personality.
--mark.
From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 15:22:20 1995
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: bugs@warlock.win.net (Mark Hittinger)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:15:52 MST
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> The NSA supposedly has a large mosaic of the eagle seal in their main lobby
> with a large skeleton key in one talon.
I wonder if Public Key Partners has one with a lock...
Terry Lambert
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 15:24:59 1995
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Subject: Re: NCSA Httpd 1.3 for FBSD 1.1.5.1?
To: lsys@np.ac.sg (SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:24:47 -0500 (EST)
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SysAdmin - Ng Pheng Siong writes:
> BTW, there has been some concern regarding the security of CERN's bulky
> common library code, wrt running it on a firewall. Some one at Boulder
> is working on a simpler caching proxy. Can't recall off-hand, but I can dig
> the reference up if anyone cares.
Another BTW, I recieved a CERT advisory regarding the NCSA
server. It included patches. Apparently it is possible to coax
the server into running arbitrary scripts or somesuch.
-john
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: Netscape Netsite Commerce Server
To: terryl@CS.Stanford.EDU (Terry Lee)
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> Anyone have a guess as to the chances the Netscape Netsite Commerce
> Server, the one that does secure credit card transactions, will work on
> FreeBSD? They supposedly have a version for BSDI. If it does run on
> FreeBSD, any thoughts as to how stable it would be? Should I just fork
> out the bucks for one copy of BSDI?
If you are forking over for both, it couldn't hurt to fork over for the
server-only first and at least try it.
Personally, I'd be suprised if it didn't run, since the client does,
and the client really has a lot more non-base interfaces it uses
that could go wrong, unlike the server.
Terry Lambert
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 15:46:11 1995
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To: Peter da Silva <peter@bonkers.taronga.com>
cc: Mark Hittinger <bugs@warlock.win.net>, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Feb 95 12:50:03 CST."
<199502211850.MAA22265@bonkers.taronga.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:46:07 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> Cool! Can we do the Jordan Hubbard As Crazed Toon Ferret Hacker Stoked On
> Jolt And Chinese Food logo as well?
Sure, just don't make me do the artwork! :-)
Jordan
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From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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Blessed are the Cmakers.... ? ;->
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Path: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!cgd
From: cgd@cs.cmu.edu (Chris G. Demetriou)
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Subject: Announcing the release of NetBSD/Alpha
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Summary: NetBSD/Alpha, freely distributable BSD system for AXP, available
Keywords: NetBSD, Alpha, AXP, Flamingo, 64-bit, Cool
Xref: agate comp.unix.bsd:18694 comp.sys.dec:30711
I'm pleased to (finally) announce the release of NetBSD/Alpha.
As some of you may know, NetBSD is a freely-available and freely-
redistributable BSD-derived system that runs on a variety of hardware
platforms, including i386's, Amigas, SPARCs, and DECstations. The Alpha
port is unique, because it's the first port of NetBSD to a 64-bit
architecture.
The Alpha port of NetBSD is a true 64-bit port: pointers and longs are 64
bits. This involved a _LOT_ of changes to "machine-independent" kernel,
and to many of the user-land programs.
So, some details on the status of the port, and a list of supported hardware:
The port is self-hosting; it is stable enough to build all of its
constituent binaries (including GCC and the rest of the tool chain)
many times over. I've seen uptimes of more than a week, with
multiple compiles going 24 hours a day. It is in "production use"
for its own development, and will soon be in use by computer science
researchers. It's _not_ simply a kernel hacker's toy at this point.
Lots of things still don't work properly. In particular, a lot of
(poorly-written) user-land programs don't work. As far as I'm
aware, however, there are no found-but-yet-unfixed bugs in the
libraries, which makes getting programs working a bit easier.
Unfortunately, at this time, GDB isn't capable of actually debugging
programs (though it is good for disassembling them, if you know
where they crashed). It's worth noting that the internet protocol
suite works well (and, indeed, I do most of my work remotedly
logged in), and the SunRPC library also works. (Both required serious
modifications to make them work with 64 bit pointers and longs.)
Because formatting the manual pages would have required making g++
and groff work, there are no formatted man pages included and
there's no easy way to format them. If you need the manual pages,
I'd suggest that you look on another NetBSD system. If you
absolutely can't do that, OSF/1 manual pages should be OK for
most tasks.
There's rudimentary support for running OSF/1 binaries, which I
originally used when bootstrapping the system. However, it is only
capable of running statically linked binaries, so it's not very
useful except for bootstrapping. It's hoped that eventually we'll
be able to run dynamically-linked OSF/1 binaries. (If you wish to
work on this, please get in touch with me!) NetBSD/Alpha can safely
read and write OSF/1 (v2.0; I would guess v1.x and v3.x as well)
file systems (assuming you don't have OSF/1's security features
enabled). Additionally, the NetBSD/Alpha disklabel format is
compatible with OSF/1's.
Supported hardware:
DEC 3000/[456789]00 (I've only tested it on the 400 and
600, but the rest should "just work) using the following
peripherals:
Serial ports -- barely; the serial driver needs a
lot of help and is not useful for many
complex tasks.
LANCE ethernet -- only the on-board model; I've
not tried any TurboChannel boards, and
didn't write complete support for them into
the driver.
SCSI system -- it recognizes and can use both
on-board SCSI controller chips. However,
it has trouble working with both at the
same time.
At this time neither the Smart Frame Buffer nor the
ISDN/Audio interface is supported.
Unfortunately, at this time none of the following systems are
supported:
DEC 3000/300s (these shouldn't be too much work)
AlphaPCs -- the EISA-bus Alpha systems
AlphaStations -- the PCI-bus Alpha systems
The Futurebus-based Alpha server systems
The multiprocessor Alpha systems
Obtaining NetBSD/Alpha sources and binaries:
This release is being made in two parts, source and binary. The
source distribution is a gzipped tar file containing all of the
sources used to build the system, including the compiler and
user-land sources. (Most of the kernel and user-land changes
have made it back into the NetBSD source tree. Many have not,
however, and the compiler shipped with NetBSD doesn't work on
the Alpha; if you're using NetBSD on the Alpha, you _need_ my
source distribution.) The binary distribution is a gzipped disk
image from an rz25 disk; it's approximately 406M ungzipped
(63M gzipped), and you install it by dd'ing it on to a raw disk;
more on this later.
If you wish to obtain the source or binaries for the NetBSD/Alpha
distribution, send me (cgd@cs.cmu.edu) mail, and I'll arrange to
get them to you. They're sufficiently large that I've not yet
found an FTP site for them, and also, given the preliminary nature
of this distribution, I want to keep in close contact with
the people who are using them.
If you are interested in the NetBSD/Alpha port, I suggest that you
subscribe to the NetBSD "port-alpha" mailing list by sending an
email message to majordomo@netbsd.org with no subject and with a
body of "subscribe port-alpha" (without the quotes). For help on
using majordomo, send it mail with an empty subject and body.
Installing the NetBSD/Alpha distribution:
[ Note that these instructions are minimal; it's assumed that if
you're going to be installing this, you're knowledgeable about
booting Alphas and doing other sysadmin-ish stuff, are willing
to look in your Alpha documentation, or are brave. If they're
really not good enough to get you running, get in touch with me
and I'll try to help you. ]
To install the NetBSD/Alpha distribution, you'll need a disk at
least the size of an RZ25 -- about 406Mb. Once you've gotten the
binary distribution from me, gunzip it and dd it to the raw disk.
The binary distribution includes a disklabel and boot block, so you
don't need to do anything special to make it bootable. I created
the binary distribution's file systems with an older version (4.3
Reno) of the Berkeley Fast File System format, so that you can
mount, read, and write them under OSF/1.
Once you've dd'd the image to the disk, set your system to use a
serial console. Boot the Alpha with the NetBSD disk, supplying the
boot flag "-s". It should print something about "NetBSD/Alpha Boot
program", load the kernel, print a copyright, and print various
startup messages. Included among those startup messages will be
SCSI bus/id to device name mappings for all of the SCSI devices
that NetBSD recognizes. Eventually, it'll ask you for the name of
the root device. It expects something like "sd0", "sd1", etc., and
you should pick the name that corresponds to the NetBSD disk.
After a short while, you should be asked for the name of a shell
to use; just hit return. You're advised to fsck the disk at this
point (the root partition is partition 'a' and the /usr partition
is partition 'd'), remount the root partition read-write (use mount
-u root-dev /), and create some necessary system information files:
/etc/hosts
/etc/resolv.conf (if you want to use DNS)
/etc/myname (the hostname of the machine)
/etc/mygate (the LAN's gateway's IP address, if your network
setup requires that it be named explicitly)
/etc/hostname.le0 (to describe the enet addr, etc., for the
Alpha's ethernet. The format can be discerned by
looking in /etc/netstart. As an example, for
my development machine, it's:
inet macallan.dssc.cs.cmu.edu 0xffff0000 128.2.255.255
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^hostname ^^^netmask ^^^broadcast)
/etc/fstab (a prototype is in /etc/fstab.sd)
(You can also create the files mentioned above by mounting the
disk's file systems under OSF/1 and filling in the appropriate
information.)
Once those files are created, you should be able to boot the system
multi-user. To do so, halt the system and boot again from the
NetBSD disk, this time supplying the boot flags "-a".
Once the system has booted, you should be able to log in over the
network. (Log in as root, at first, then use vipw to create user
account(s) and re-log in as the appropriate user.) If you used a
disk other than an RZ25, you may also want to edit the disk's
disklabel, and create one or more partitions to use the extra space.
Using NetBSD/Alpha:
You'll probably want to NFS mount the sources from another machine;
that's what I do, and it works just fine. If you'd like tips on
good ways to keep the NetBSD sources under source control, just ask.
A fair number of binaries don't work properly. For example:
GDB won't properly run programs or debug core files; someone
needs to write support for NetBSD/Alpha.
diff dumps core if there are differences in the files being
compared (but it _doesn't_ dump core if they're the
same!)
ps and w don't work properly, for several reasons:
(a) they don't know how to read an ECOFF binary's
namelist, so can't find the addresses of
things in core
(b) I've thus far been lazy, and didn't bother
creating some of the necessary entries in
the device switches (e.g. /dev/drum),
because I knew nothing could use them
because of (a) anyway...
As noted above, the SCSI code is reliable only when being used with
one SCSI bus at a time; this is obviously a bug. Additionally, the
SCSI driver seems unhappy about dealing with certain types of disk
drives (e.g. the IBM Lightning). I don't know why these problems
exist yet, but it's worth noting that somebody's in the process of
rewriting the 53c94 chip support from the ground up because the
current support is "somewhat lacking." (This should solve at least
the latter problem.)
Because I've been working on getting the system up and running, then
out the door, I've not had much time to do performance analysis on
the kernel, nor tried to improve performance in any way. Some of
the code is awfully rough. That being said, on a lot of operations
I'm seeing performance comparable to that of OSF/1 on the same
hardware, so I've not gone too far wrong anywhere.
I've run 'paranoia' on NetBSD/Alpha, and it reports one defect (the
same result as for OSF/1).
Thanks to:
Carnegie Mellon University, for funding for this project.
Keith Bostic, for writing and/or working on a large chunk of the
code, and for general moral corruption and good humor.
Kirk McKusick, for being the Final Arbiter of Taste and Style.
Jeff Mogul, for providing moral support, documentation, and
pointers thereto.
Various people working on NetBSD, for suggestions, sanity checking,
drivers, etc.
Whoever I'm forgetting, for things that I don't remember right now.
That's it for now; get in touch if you'd like to get copies of the software
and/or would like to contribute to the development effort. I'll be sending
out status reports to various places (probably including the place(s) you
saw this announcement) as things progress.
Chris Demetriou
cgd@cs.cmu.edu
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OK -- check this out:
A contest!
Whoever can draw / scan / post the coolest image using either one of the
previously said items, else an original composition, before some predetermined
release date (around the beginning of March?) wins.
We can have a voting gallery hanging off of the web server without too much
trouble.
In the mean time, wanna mail me .gifs or .jpegs or even suggestions?
James
: James Robinson : james@hermes.cybernetics.net ::See the screaming hot black
:FreeBSD|XFree86 :The best things in life are Free:: steaming iridescent
: Frank Zappa : Music is the best ::naughahyde python screaming
: HTTP Server : http://hermes.cybernetics.net/ :: steam roller!
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<---- Begin Included Message ---->
>> I've been attempting to install 2.0 on a SCSI drive attached to a Future
>>Domain 950 (yeah, yeah, I know they suck, but it is the only supported ctlr
>>I have). When I write the MBR in FDISK, I get a dialog box "Invalid
>>Argument" and at the bottom of the screen "Disk doesn't have MBR",
>>"writedisklabel: MSP with no BSD part". The geometry reported by the startup
>>probe is 2405 cyls, 6 hds, 72 secs and 507 MB. I tried changing the geometry
>>in FDISK to 32 secs, 64 hds and 507 cyls. The SCSI drive is the second
>>drive, the first is a IDE which I was able to FDISK and LABEL but with a
>>really small slice. I can write a boot record to the SCSI (I suppose, no
>>complaints). Any pointers would be appreciated.
>
>The MBR - Master Boot Record - is only written to (or needs only
>to be written to) the first disk. The BSD MBR will allow you
>to boot from the SCSI drive since it loads off the first disk, but
>lets you pick which disk to boot from.
>
>The partition tables are written to both disks.
>
>If you can write the MBR to the first (IDE) disk and partition and
>label both disks successfully, you shouldn't have a problem.
That's right. I shouldn't have a problem, but I do. I mentioned writing the
MBR to the SCSI disk to show I could write something to it. FreeBSD cannot
read the partition info from the SCSI disk. I've set the geometry to what
DOS expects (1018 cyls, 60 hds, 17 secs), but still it will not read it.
I've used DOS fdisk, pfdisk and Norton to read/write the partition table on
the SCSI disk and have no problems. Any suggestions?
<---- End Included Message ---->
Hmm. Well, I had a strange problem, too. However, there
is a little note about making a DOS partition first and
then deleting it (I have a 1.2GB IDE drive). I seem to recall
making a 5MB DOS partition first with DOS fdisk, then installing
FreeBSD. I left the DOS part (5MB is no big deal with 1.2GB)
and everything worked fine.
Maybe you should try this. Perhaps there is a bug in the BSD fdisk
logic somewhere. If you partition first with DOS it does write
the drive geometry into the partition table, and maybe the BSD
fdisk tries to pick up on it. Only way to know for sure is to
read the source.
Anyhow, try the 5MB part idea, and if it works, post it
to hackers and/or questions so others can try it.
BTW, I think I saw the note in the troubleshooting file
that you can read during install or on FreeBSD in one
of the dox directories.
-Louis
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How about a picture of the daemon standing in front of a tank a la
Tianemen Square.
Marc.
You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of
horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue
mating dance.
- Edward Flaherty
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As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>
> > Let me suggest something along the same lines. Ditch the daemon thing.
>
> Hmmmm. I'm glad I don't have your mailbox for the next couple of days! ;-)
>
> Seriously, while I certainly understand the sentiment I don't think
> that this is going to fly. ... Linus
> Torvalds even expressed some small envy at the fact that we had a cute
> mascot like this and Linux still couldn't decide on a species, much
> less a specific icon.
Just my DM 0.02:
Don't ditch the daemon. It's already a known mascot, and everybody
i've been showing the CD's loved him.
Especially, _by_no_means_ use any US-centric symbol. US is _not_ a
generally accepted place of freedom! Some people might have other
thoughts in mind when seeing the Star Banner...
--
cheers, J"org
joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)
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> >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to debug a problem like this
> >when there is no indication of where to start before it manifests itself
> >and no way to perform a post mortem after it has happened?
>
> Yeah, fun. Where are those front panel lights when you need 'em?
Y'know, that's something I've often thought about: An ISA-bus profile card
with jumpers on it connecting LEDs to bus lines, with the LEDs inset into
a 5.25" drive bay blanking plate -- Blinkenlites on a PeeCee! It'd be worth
it for the debugging value it'd have the potential to have, and even more
worth it for the strange looks it'd get.
One of these days I may even be in a dumb enough mood to do it :-)
- mark
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>
>
> > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to debug a problem like this
> > >when there is no indication of where to start before it manifests itself
> > >and no way to perform a post mortem after it has happened?
> >
> > Yeah, fun. Where are those front panel lights when you need 'em?
>
> Y'know, that's something I've often thought about: An ISA-bus profile card
> with jumpers on it connecting LEDs to bus lines, with the LEDs inset into
> a 5.25" drive bay blanking plate -- Blinkenlites on a PeeCee! It'd be worth
> it for the debugging value it'd have the potential to have, and even more
> worth it for the strange looks it'd get.
>
> One of these days I may even be in a dumb enough mood to do it :-)
I've used a POST card and added outb's to the POST display port so I
can see how far it gets before things blow up to debug things in the past,
it works, but you do have to be able to compile what ever it is you
are trying to debug.
> - mark
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I dunno about people being upset about the daemon. Walnut Creek
has a wizard on its logo, and DePaul University is a Catholic
university and its mascot is the Blue Demons complete with
picture. Probably just the fringe element would get bent. These
other 2 things haven't caused much trouble.
Also, I still don't understand the picture of the daemon chasing
that sperm cell or whatever it was.
How about:
Biblical Dept:
"Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the
Beast, for it is a CPU's number. That CPU's number is 386."
And a picture of the BSD daemon with 386 stamped on its
forehead.
Ok, I know, too controversial, but I made myself laugh at least ;)
Performance Dept:
"Put a daemon in your drive - FreeBSD" (re: Put a tiger in your tank) with
an adequate picture attached. Possibly something like "Get more I/O per
cycle"
like the gov't ratings for MPG on cars.
Techy Dept:
A picture of some hacker (Jordan?) passed out on his keyboard, Jolt
cans, chinese food containers, Pizza boxes, Cheez-It boxes, and
a "Live to Code, Code to Live" banner on the wall with the BSD daemon
standing next to him wearing a Chow Mein box as a hat. Caption
reads: "FreeBSD - It's not an OS, it's a way of life."
Biker Dept:
Alternate to the above - the Daemon on a Harley and
"Live to Code, Code to Live - FreeBSD"
Marketing Dept:
Daemon in a 'vette convertable, driving by the ocean and killer
shades on with the logo:
"Why go to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free? - FreeBSD"
Copyright Violation Dept:
BSD Daemon playing a drum with bunny ears "It just keeps going and going...."
(Check with your lawyers first, heh).
Bad 60's TV Dept:
Psychedlic Tie-Die background with BSD Daemon poping out of a window
in the letters "FreeBSD" and logo: "Socket to me" (Re: Laugh-In)
Sugar coated goodies dept:
FreeBSD cereal box like a Wheaties box with the Daemon as the
celebrity and the banner across the box:
"FreeBSD - it's not just for hackers anymore"
Fast Filesystem Dept:
BSD daemon behind a counter with a hairnet type getup on
him saying "Would you like fries with that" and a nametag
that says "NFS" (or WWW) and the caption "FreeBSD - over 20 billion served"
Filler Dept:
For any of these, to go along with Walnut Creek, a picture of the WC wizard
conjuring up the BSD Daemon (tell them to put a face or something
on the wizard, BTW, kinda boring) on either the front or back (wherever
you didn't put one of my (hehehe) "brilliant" sayings), and maybe a caption
like "Behold what the wizard hath wrought." Ya know, just to fill dead
T-shirt space ;) Personally, I would like a "painting" style wizard
and background with lightning and stuff flashing, real intense look on his
face, dragons breathing fire, etc etc and the cartoonish daemon popping out
smiling
for contrast.
(C) Copyright -- NOT! Slam 'em in a .sig for all I care! ;) I'm just trying
for the goodies!
My brain hurts. That's enough for me for now. I'll try and
think of some more. Hey, these are my censored ideas. For
your amusement, here are some twisted ones I thought up:
A picture of the daemon in leather and
1-900-FreeB&D (with an 'S' "handwritten" over the ampersand) - It hurts so
good.
A picture of the Daemon rubbing his backside and a tear in his eye:
FreeBSD - You can beat it 'til it bleeds.
I think I need therapy ;) I'll think up some more.
-Louis
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From: Jim Bryant <jbryant@server.iadfw.net>
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Subject: WD Caviar 31000 incompat.
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Add this to the hardware incompatabilities list:
Western Digital AC31000 (Caviar 31000) 1080 meg IDE drive will not
co-exist with a Seagate ST3550A.
The Seagate as master causes a constant drive light and system lockup,
The WD will work fine alone or as master, but the Seagate is inaccessable
if configured as slave in this config.
Jim
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Feb 95 10:43:06 PST."
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>How about
>
>"The best things in life are Free"
>
> <picture of daemon>
>
>"FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
The shirts and promotional items will last for years - you shouldn't
include a specific version. Just "FreeBSD, coming to a PC near you!".
-DG
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From: jim@reptiles.org (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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In article <199502220131.CAA01018@uriah.heep.sax.de>,
J Wunsch <joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de> wrote:
>Especially, _by_no_means_ use any US-centric symbol. US is _not_ a
>generally accepted place of freedom! Some people might have other
>thoughts in mind when seeing the Star Banner...
i'd agree. i see the FreeBSD project as a borderless, non-political
prject.
slapping US-centric symbology on it would sorta spoil that.
bad enough we have to live with the silly US Export restrictions on crypt().
--
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Subject: FW: PETITION to Stop S.314
From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" <ache@astral.msk.su>
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This is not directly related to the GNU project, but it's about an
issue affecting the freedom for all network users. Bill S.314
proposes censorship requirements for all network acess facilities.
I've signed the petition against it and I hope you will too.
From: slowdog <slowdog@wookie.net>
To: a-colbya@microsoft.com
Subject: PETITION to Stop S.314
Date: Thursday, February 16, 1995 10:47
*** PROTECT THE INTERNET. READ THIS MESSAGE ***
This document is an electronic Petition Statement to the
U.S. Congress regarding pending legislation, the
"Communications Decency Act of 1995" (S. 314) which will
have, if passed, very serious negative ramifications for
freedom of expression on Usenet, the Internet, and all
electronic networks. The proposed legislation would remove
guarantees of privacy and free speech on all electronic
networks, including the Internet, and may even effectively
close them down as a medium to exchange ideas and
information.
For an excellent analysis of this Bill by the Center for
Democracy and Technology (CDT), refer to the Appendix
attached at the end of this document. The text to S. 314
is also included in this Appendix.
This document is somewhat long, but the length is necessary
to give you sufficient information to make an informed
decision. Time is of the essence, we are going to turn
this petition and the signatures in on 3/16/95, so if you
are going to sign this please do so ASAP or at least before
midnight Wednesday, March 15, 1995.
Even if you read this petition after the due date, please
submit your signature anyway as we expect Congress to
continue debating these issues in the foreseeable future
and the more signatures we get, the more influence the
petition will have on discussion. And even if Congress
rejects S. 314 while signatures are being gathered, do
submit your signature anyway for the same reason.
Please do upload this petition statement as soon as
possible to any BBS and on-line service in your area.
If you have access to one of the major national on-line
services such as CompuServe, Prodigy, AOL, etc., do try
to upload it there. We are trying to get at least 5000
signatures. Even more signatures are entirely possible
if we each put in a little effort to inform others, such
as friends and coworkers, about the importance of this
petition to electronic freedom of expression.
Here is a brief table of contents:
(1) Introduction (this section)
(2) The Petition Statement
(3) Instructions for signing this petition
(4) Credits
(Appendix) Analysis and text of S. 314 (LONG but excellent)
******(2) The Petition Statement
In united voice, we sign this petition against passage of S. 314 (the
"Communications Decency Act of 1995") for these reasons:
S. 314 would prohibit not only individual speech that is "obscene, lewd,
lascivious, filthy, or indecent", but would prohibit any provider of
telecommunications service from carrying such traffic, under threat of
stiff penalty. Even aside from the implications for free speech, this
would cause an undue - and unjust - burden upon operators of the various
telecommunications services. In a time when the citizenry and their
lawmakers alike are calling for and passing "no unfunded mandates" laws
to the benefit of the states, it is unfortunate that Congress might seek to
impose unfunded mandates upon businesses that provide the framework for
the information age.
An additional and important consideration is the technical feasibility of
requiring the sort of monitoring this bill would necessitate. The
financial burden in and of itself - in either manpower or technology to
handle such monitoring (if even legal under the Electronic Communications
Privacy Act) - would likely cause many smaller providers to go out of
business, and most larger providers to seriously curtail their services.
The threat of such penalty alone would result in a chilling effect in the
telecommunications service community, not only restricting the types of
speech expressly forbidden by the bill, but creating an environment
contrary to the Constitutional principles of free speech, press, and
assembly - principles which entities such as the Internet embody as
nothing has before.
By comparison, placing the burden for content control upon each individual
user is surprisingly simple in the online and interactive world, and there
is no legitimate reason to shift that burden to providers who carry that
content. Unlike traditional broadcast media, networked media is
comparatively easy to screen on the user end - giving the reader, viewer,
or participant unparalleled control over his or her own information
environment. All without impacting or restricting what any other user
wishes to access. This makes regulation such as that threatened by this
S. 314 simply unnecessary.
In addition, during a period of ever-increasing commercial interest in
arenas such as the Internet, restriction and regulation of content or the
flow of traffic across the various telecommunications services would have
serious negative economic effects. The sort of regulation proposed by this
bill would slow the explosive growth the Internet has seen, giving the
business community reason to doubt the medium's commercial appeal.
We ask that the Senate halt any further progress of this bill. We ask
that the Senate be an example to Congress as a whole, and to the nation
at large - to promote the general welfare as stated in the Preamble to
the Constitution by protecting the free flow of information and ideas
across all of our telecommunications services.
******(3) Instructions for signing the petition
======================================
Instructions for Signing This Petition
======================================
It must first be noted that this is a petition, not a
vote. By "signing" it you agree with *all* the requests
made in the petition. If you do not agree with everything
in this petition, then your only recourse is to not sign
it.
In addition, all e-mail signatures will be submitted to
Congress, the President of the United States, and the
news media.
Including your full name is optional, but *very highly
encouraged* as that would add to the effectiveness of the
petition. Signing via an anonymous remailer is highly
discouraged, but not forbidden, as an attempt will be made
to separately tally signatures from anonymous remailers.
Because this is a Petition to the U.S. Congress, we ask
that you state, as instructed below, whether or not you
are a U.S. citizen. We do encourage non-U.S. citizens to
sign, but their signatures will be tallied separately.
Signing this petition is not hard, but to make sure your
signature is not lost or miscounted, please follow these
directions EXACTLY:
1) Prepare an e-mail message. In the main body (NOT the
Subject line) of your e-mail include the ONE-LINE statement:
SIGNED <Internet e-mail address> <Full name> <US Citizen>
You need not include the "<" and ">" characters. 'SIGNED'
should be capitalized. As stated above, your full name is
optional, but highly recommended. If you do supply your
name, please don't use a pseudonym or nickname, or your
first name -- it's better to just leave it blank if it's
not your full and real name. If you are a U.S. citizen,
please include at the end of the signature line a 'YES',
and if you are not, a 'NO'. All signatures will be
tallied whether or not you are a U.S. Citizen
****************************************************
Example: My e-mail signature would be:
SIGNED dave@kachina.altadena.ca.us Dave C. Hayes YES
****************************************************
2) Please DON'T include a copy of this petition, nor any
other text, in your e-mail message. If you have comments
to make, send e-mail to me personally, and NOT to the
special petition e-mail signature address.
3) Send your e-mail message containing your signature to
the following Internet e-mail address and NOT to me:
===========================
s314-petition@netcom.com
===========================
4) Within a few days of receipt of your signature, an
automated acknowledgment will be e-mailed to you for e-mail
address verification purposes. You do not need to respond or
reply to this acknowledgement when you receive it. We may
also contact you again in the future should we need more
information, such as who your House Representative and
Senators are, which is not asked here as it is unclear
whether such information is needed.
Thank you for signing this petition!
******(4) Credits
The petition statement was written by slowdog
<slowdog@wookie.net>, super.net.freedom.fighter.
The rest of this document mostly collated from the net
by Dave Hayes, net.freedom.fighter.
Much help came from Jon Noring, INFJ and
self.proclaimed.net.activist who made a few
suggestions and will be tallying the signatures.
Thanks to the EFF and CDT for the excellent analysis of
the bill.
(p.s., send your signature to s314-petition@netcom.com)
******(Appendix) Analysis and text of S. 314
[This analysis provided by the Center for Democracy and
Technology, a non-profit public interest organization.
CDT's mission is to develop and advocate public policies
that advance Constitutional civil liberties and democratic
values in new computer and communications technologies.
For more information on CDT, ask Jonah Seiger
<jseiger@cdt.org>.]
CDT POLICY POST 2/9/95
SENATOR EXON INTRODUCES ONLINE INDECENCY LEGISLATION
A. OVERVIEW
Senators Exon (D-NE) and Senator Gorton (R-WA) have
introduced legislation to expand current FCC regulations
on obscene and indecent audiotext to cover *all* content
carried over all forms of electronic communications
networks. If enacted, the "Communications Decency Act of
1995" (S. 314) would place substantial criminal liability
on telecommunications service providers (including
telephone networks, commercial online services, the
Internet, and independent BBS's) if their network is used
in the transmission of any indecent, lewd, threatening or
harassing messages. The legislation is identical to a
proposal offered by Senator Exon last year which failed
along with the Senate Telecommunications reform bill (S.
1822, 103rd Congress, Sections 801 - 804). The text the
proposed statute, with proposed amendment, is appended at
the end of this document.
The bill would compel service providers to chose between
severely restricting the activities of their subscribers
or completely shutting down their email, Internet access,
and conferencing services under the threat of criminal
liability. Moreover, service providers would be forced to
closely monitor every private communication, electronic
mail message, public forum, mailing list, and file archive
carried by or available on their network, a proposition
which poses a substantial threat to the freedom of speech
and privacy rights of all American citizens.
S. 314, if enacted, would represent a tremendous step
backwards on the path to a free and open National
Information Infrastructure. The bill raises fundamental
questions about the ability of government to control
content on communications networks, as well as the locus
of liability for content carried in these new
communications media.
To address this threat to the First Amendment in digital
media, CDT is working to organize a broad coalition of
public interest organizations including the ACLU, People
For the American Way, and Media Access Project, along with
representatives from the telecommunications, online
services, and computer industries to oppose S. 314 and to
explore alternative policy solutions that preserve the
free flow of information and freedom of speech in the
online world. CDT believes that technological
alternatives which allow individual subscribers to control
the content they receive represent a more appropriate
approach to this issue.
B. SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS OF S. 314
S. 314 would expand current law restricting indecency and
harassment on telephone services to all telecommunications
providers and expand criminal liability to *all* content
carried by *all* forms of telecommunications networks.
The bill would amend Section 223 of the Communications Act
(47 U.S.C. 223), which requires carriers to take steps to
prevent minors from gaining access to indecent audiotext
and criminalizes harassment accomplished over interstate
telephone lines. This section, commonly known as the
Helms Amendment (having been championed by Senator Jesse
Helms), has been the subject of extended Constitutional
litigation in recent years.
* CARRIERS LIABLE FOR CONDUCT OF ALL USERS ON THEIR
NETWORKS
S. 314 would make telecommunication carriers (including
telephone companies, commercial online services, the
Internet, and BBS's) liable for every message, file, or
other content carried on its network -- including the
private conversations or messages exchanged between two
consenting individuals.
Under S. 314, anyone who "makes, transmits, or otherwise
makes available any comment, request, suggestion,
proposal, image, or other communication" which is
"obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent" using a
"telecommunications device" would be subject to a fine of
$100,000 or two years in prison (Section (2)(a)).
In order to avoid liability under this provision, carriers
would be forced to pre-screen all messages, files, or
other content before transmitting it to the intended
recipient. Carriers would also be forced to prevent or
severely restrict their subscribers from communicating
with individuals and accessing content available on other
networks.
Electronic communications networks do not contain discrete
boundaries. Instead, users of one service can easily
communicate with and access content available on other
networks. Placing the onus, and criminal liability, on
the carrier as opposed to the originator of the content,
would make the carrier legally responsible not only for
the conduct of its own subscribers, but also for content
generated by subscribers of other services.
This regulatory scheme clearly poses serious threats to
the free flow of information throughout the online world
and the free speech and privacy rights of individual
users. Forcing carriers to pre-screen content would not
only be impossible due to the sheer volume of messages, it
would also violate current legal protections.
* CARRIERS REQUIRED TO ACT AS PRIVATE CENSOR OF ALL
PUBLIC FORUMS AND ARCHIVES
S. 314 would also expand current restrictions on access to
indecent telephone audiotext services by minors under the
age of 18 to cover similar content carried by
telecommunications services (such as America Online and
the Internet). (Sec (a)(4)).
As amended by this provision, anyone who, "by means of
telephone or telecommunications device, makes, transmits,
or otherwise makes available (directly or by recording
device) any indecent communication for commercial purposes
which is available to any person under the age of 18 years
of age or to any other person without that person's
consent, regardless of whether the maker of such
communication placed the call or initiated the
communication" would be subject of a fine of $100,000 or
two years in prison.
This would force carries to act as private censors of all
content available in public forums or file archives on
their networks. Moreover, because there is no clear
definition of indecency, carriers would have to restrict
access to any content that could be possibly construed as
indecent or obscene under the broadest interpretation of
the term. Public forums, discussion lists, file archives,
and content available for commercial purposes would have
to be meticulously screened and censored in order to avoid
potential liability for the carrier.
Such a scenario would severely limit the diversity of
content available on online networks, and limit the
editorial freedom of independent forum operators.
ADDITIONAL NOTABLE PROVISIONS
* AMENDMENT TO ECPA
Section (6) of the bill would amend the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act (18 USC 2511) to prevent the
unauthorized interception and disclosure of "digital
communications" (Sec. 6). However, because the term
"digital communication" is not defined and 18 USC 2511
currently prevents unauthorized interception and
disclosure of "electronic communications" (which includes
electronic mail and other forms of communications in
digital form), the effect of this provision has no clear
importance.
* CABLE OPERATORS MAY REFUSE INDECENT PUBLIC ACCESS
PROGRAMMING
Finally, section (8) would amend sections 611 and 612 of
the Communications Act (47 USC 611 - 612) to allow any
cable operator to refuse to carry any public access or
leased access programming which contains "obscenity,
indecency, or nudity".
C. ALTERNATIVES TO EXON: RECOGNIZE THE UNIQUE USER
CONTROL CAPABILITIES OF INTERACTIVE MEDIA
Government regulation of content in the mass media has
always been considered essential to protect children from
access to sexually-explicit material, and to prevent
unwitting listeners/views from being exposed to material
that might be considered extremely distasteful. The
choice to protect children has historically been made at
the expense of the First Amendment ban on government
censorship. As Congress moves to regulate new interactive
media, it is essential that it understand that interactive
media is different than mass media. The power and
flexibility of interactive media offers a unique
opportunity to enable parents to control what content
their kids have access to, and leave the flow of
information free for those adults who want it. Government
control regulation is simply not needed to achieve the
desired purpose.
Most interactive technology, such as Internet browsers and
the software used to access online services such as
America Online and Compuserve, already has the capability
to limit access to certain types of services and selected
information. Moreover, the electronic program guides
being developed for interactive cable TV networks also
provide users the capability to screen out certain
channels or ever certain types of programming. Moreover,
in the online world, most content (with the exception of
private communications initiated by consenting
individuals) is transmitted by request. In other words,
users must seek out the content they receive, whether it
is by joining a discussion or accessing a file archive.
By its nature, this technology provides ample control at
the user level. Carriers (such as commercial online
services, Internet service providers) in most cases act
only as "carriers" of electronic transmissions initiated
by individual subscribers.
CDT believes that the First Amendment will be better
served by giving parents and other users the tools to
select which information they (and their children) should
have access to. In the case of criminal content the
originator of the content, not the carriers, should be
responsible for their crimes. And, users (especially
parents) should be empowered to determine what information
they and their children have access to. If all carriers
of electronic communications are forced restrict content
in order to avoid criminal liability proposed by S. 314,
the First Amendment would be threatened and the usefulness
of digital media for communications and information
dissemination would be drastically limited.
D. NEXT STEPS
The bill has been introduced and will next move to the
Senate Commerce Committee, although no Committee action
has been scheduled. Last year, a similar proposal by
Senator Exon was approved by the Senate Commerce committee
as an amendment to the Senate Telecommunications Bill (S.
1822, which died at the end of the 103rd Congress). CDT
will be working with a wide range of other interest groups
to assure that Congress does not restrict the free flow of
information in interactive media.
TEXT OF 47 U.S.C. 223 AS AMENDED BY S. 314
**NOTE: [] = deleted
ALL CAPS = additions
47 USC 223 (1992)
Sec. 223. [Obscene or harassing telephone calls in the District
of Columbia or in interstate or foreign communications]
OBSCENE OR HARASSING UTILIZATION OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS
DEVICES AND FACILITIES IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA OR IN
INTERSTATE OR FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS"
(a) Whoever--
(1) in the District of Columbia or in interstate or foreign
communication by means of [telephone] TELECOMMUNICATIONS
DEVICE--
(A) [makes any comment, request, suggestion or proposal]
MAKES, TRANSMITS, OR OTHERWISE MAKES AVAILABLE ANY COMMENT,REQUEST,
SUGGESTION, PROPOSAL, IMAGE, OR OTHER COMMUNICATION which is
obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent;
[(B) makes a telephone call, whether or not conversation ensues,
without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse,
threaten, or harass any person at the called number;]
"(B) MAKES A TELEPHONE CALL OR UTILIZES A TELECOMMUNICATIONS
DEVICE, WHETHER OR NOT CONVERSATION OR COMMUNICATIONS
ENSUES,WITHOUT DISCLOSING HIS IDENTITY AND WITH INTENT TO ANNOY,
ABUSE, THREATEN, OR HARASS ANY PERSON AT THE CALLED NUMBER OR WHO
RECEIVES THE COMMUNICATION;
(C) makes or causes the telephone of another repeatedly or
continuously to ring, with intent to harass any person at the
called number; or
[(D) makes repeated telephone calls, during which conversation
ensues, solely to harass any person at the called number; or]
(D) MAKES REPEATED TELEPHONE CALLS OR REPEATEDLY INITIATES
COMMUNICATION WITH A TELECOMMUNICATIONS DEVICE, DURING WHICH
CONVERSATION OR COMMUNICATION ENSUES, SOLELY TO HARASS ANY PERSON
AT THE CALLED NUMBER OR WHO RECEIVES THE COMMUNICATION,
(2) knowingly permits any [telephone facility]
TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY under his control to be used
for any purpose prohibited by this section, shall be fined not more
than $[50,000]100,000 or imprisoned not more than [six months] TWO
YEARS, or both.
(b)(1) Whoever knowingly--
(A) within the United States, by means of [telephone]
TELECOMMUNICATIONS DEVICCE, makes (directly or by recording device)
any obscene communication for commercial purposes to any person,
regardless of whether the maker of such communication placed the
call or INITIATED THE COMMUNICATION; or
(B) permits any [telephone facility] TELECOMMUNICATIONS
FACILITY under such person's control to be used for an activity
prohibited by subparagraph (A), shall be fined in accordance with
title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than two
years, or both.
(2) Whoever knowingly--
(A) within the United States, [by means of telephone],
makes BY MEANS OF TELEPHONE OR TELECOMMUNICATIONS DEVICE, MAKES,
TRANSMITS, OR MAKES AVAILABLE(directly or by recording device) any
indecent communication for commercial purposes which is available
to any person under 18 years of age or to any other person without
that person's consent, regardless of whether the maker of such
communication placed the call OR INITIATED THE COMMUNICATION; or
(B) permits any [telephone facility] TELECOMMUNICATIONS
FACILITY under such person's control to be used for an activity
prohibited by subparagraph (A), shall be fined not more than
$[50,000] 100,000 or imprisoned not more than [six months]
TWO YEARS, or both.
(3) It is a defense to prosecution under paragraph (2) of this
subsection that the defendant restrict access to the prohibited
communication to persons 18 years of age or older in accordance
with subsection (c) of this section and with such procedures as the
Commission may prescribe by regulation.
(4) In addition to the penalties under paragraph (1), whoever,
within the United States, intentionally violates paragraph
(1) or (2) shall be subject to a fine of not more than $[50,000]
100,000 for each violation. For purposes of this paragraph, each
day of violation shall constitute a separate violation.
(5)(A) In addition to the penalties under paragraphs (1), (2),
and (5), whoever, within the United States, violates paragraph (1)
or (2) shall be subject to a civil fine of not more than $[50,000]
100,000 for each violation. For purposes of this paragraph, each
day of violation shall constitute a separate violation.
(B) A fine under this paragraph may be assessed either--
(i) by a court, pursuant to civil action by the Commission or
any attorney employed by the Commission who is designated by the
Commission for such purposes, or
(ii) by the Commission after appropriate administrative
proceedings.
(6) The Attorney General may bring a suit in the appropriate
district court of the United States to enjoin any act or practice
which violates paragraph (1) or (2). An injunction may be granted
in accordance with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
(c)(1) A common carrier within the District of Columbia or
within any State, or in interstate or foreign commerce, shall not,
to the extent technically feasible, provide access to a
communication specified in subsection (b) from the
telephone of any subscriber who has not previously requested in
writing the carrier to provide access to such communication if the
carrier collects from subscribers an identifiable charge for such
communication that the carrier remits, in whole or in part, to the
provider of such communication.
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (3), no cause of action may
be brought in any court or administrative agency against any common
carrier, or any of its affiliates, including their officers,
directors, employees, agents, or authorized representatives on
account of--
(A) any action which the carrier demonstrates was taken in good
faith to restrict access pursuant to paragraph (1) of this
subsection; or
(B) any access permitted--
(i) in good faith reliance upon the lack of any representation
by a provider of communications that communications provided by
that provider are communications specified in subsection (b), or
(ii) because a specific representation by the provider did not
allow the carrier, acting in good faith, a sufficient period to
restrict access to communications described in subsection (b).
(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (2) of this subsection, a provider
of communications services to which subscribers are denied access
pursuant to paragraph (1) of this subsection may bring an action
for a declaratory judgment or similar action in a court. Any such
action shall be limited to the question of whether the
communications which the provider seeks to provide fall within
the category of communications to which the carrier will provide
access only to subscribers who have previously requested such
access.
*********************************************
NOTE: This version of the text shows the actual text of current law as
it would be changed. For the bill itself, which consists of unreadable
text such as:
[...]
(1) in subsection (a)(1)--
(A) by striking out `telephone' in the matter above
subparagraph (A) and inserting `telecommunications device';
(B) by striking out `makes any comment, request,
suggestion, or proposal' in subparagraph (A) and inserting
`makes, transmits, or otherwise makes available any
comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other
communication';
(C) by striking out subparagraph (B) and inserting the
following:
`(B) makes a telephone call or utilizes a
[...]
See:
ftp.eff.org, /pub/EFF/Legislation/Bills_new/s314.bill
gopher.eff.org, 1/EFF/Legislation/Bills_new, s314.bill
http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Legislation/Bills_new/s314.bill
- dog
http://www.phantom.com/~slowdog
Stop the Communications Decency Act!
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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> Biker Dept:
> Alternate to the above - the Daemon on a Harley and
> "Live to Code, Code to Live - FreeBSD"
Star Wars Dept:
When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
the source be with you."
It seems somehow appropriate for the t-shirt too.
- mark
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: jim@reptiles.org (Jim Mercer)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:48:53 EDT
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> In article <199502220131.CAA01018@uriah.heep.sax.de>,
> J Wunsch <joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de> wrote:
> >Especially, _by_no_means_ use any US-centric symbol. US is _not_ a
> >generally accepted place of freedom! Some people might have other
> >thoughts in mind when seeing the Star Banner...
>
> i'd agree. i see the FreeBSD project as a borderless, non-political
> prject.
>
> slapping US-centric symbology on it would sorta spoil that.
>
> bad enough we have to live with the silly US Export restrictions on crypt().
>
> --
> [ Jim Mercer jim@reptiles.org +1 416 506-0654 ]
> [ Reptilian Research -- Longer Life through Colder Blood ]
> [ Never, ever forget to replace the toiletseat after use!!! A wet ]
> [ chinchilla is a very funny and pathetic sight. -- alt.chinchilla ]
Earth held by the daemon overhead, resembling the "World Cup" trophy for the
(well world cup soccer) and I guess that pretty much says it all let the
daemon be popular through out the globe ...
--
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In message <199502211847.MAA22185@bonkers.taronga.com> Peter da Silva
writes:
>Reminds me of Kolstad's talk at last year's Usenix, about how some ultra
>weird religious group found some "sixes" in their lizard logo. He finished
>up by waving the "demon" poster and saying "good thing we dedn't send them
>this".
Their "lizard" looks very like native indian ornament from "yaki"
tribe. It is definitely inspired by Karlos Kastaneda works about
native magick of this tribe. Moreover, main Kastaneda mailing
list placed at 'bsdi.com' domain. So, reason is pretty clear
and some anti-magick groups can stuck on it.
--
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ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead -
FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead.
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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Mark Newton writes:
>
>
> > Biker Dept:
> > Alternate to the above - the Daemon on a Harley and
> > "Live to Code, Code to Live - FreeBSD"
>
> Star Wars Dept:
>
> When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
> the source be with you."
or "Use the Source, Luke" ;-)
>
> It seems somehow appropriate for the t-shirt too.
>
> - mark
>
> ---
> Mark Newton Email: mark@communica.oz.au
> Consultant Phone: +61-8-373-2523
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>
-- dima
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>Here is my configuration:
>
>486DX/50
>Adaptec 2740T Disk Controller
> Channel B: 5 SCSI Disks (sd0-sd4) and One NEC 3xi CDROM (cd0)
> Channel A: One Plextor 4x Internal (cd1)
Which version of the kernel are you using?
--
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>> [merging netboot with fbsdboot]
>If someone goes off and does this, keep in mind that the EPROM version
>has to stay less than 16K (I think it is over 15K right now). There is
>"BOOTROM" define that could be used to keep the memory manager code from
>being compiled for EPROM versions.
How will the various boots work/be maintained when the standard bootstrap
becomes multi-staged? I think I want to have a common big second stage
that handles all the interfacing between the BIOS and the kernel. I think
the network boot will not need to change much - it can load a second stage
over the network. I don't see how the DOS boot could use this scheme.
Supporting masses of DOS stuff in the second stage or doing the second
stage in the DOS boot is too hard. (Doing a standard first stage is
also too hard. I think the DOS boot should only support loading kernels
from DOS file systems. Then it wouldn't have to duplicate so many FreeBSD
headers.)
Bruce
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Little daemon, just having jumped through a window,
with all the little fragments of the MS Windows logo
lying splattered randomly on the floor, having the window
cross frame in his trident.
Just to add my DM 0.02 :-)
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 17
18:32:16 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUES i386
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From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" <ugen@netvision.net.il>
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Hmm..
how about Beavis & Butthead sitting near some monitor with
MsWindows logo on it and mumbling stuff about "kicks ass.."
and Daemon pointing on them and saying : "don't be like that.."
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From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" <ugen@netvision.net.il>
Subject: RE: FYI..
To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@violet.berkeley.edu>
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Hmm..again completely sick NetBSD "release"..
Tell me, is there *ANY* such release of NetBSD which supports
without any exclusion or stuff at least 70% of hardware for some
architecture? That funny OS just comes out anytime with messages like the
one you sent: SUPPORT FOR <abc>
And then: except [ethernet|discs|video(no X,never!!!)|serial|processors|etc..]
Actually i think this is even too small to be called "FYI"..:)
*IMHO*
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> A picture of some hacker (Jordan?) passed out on his keyboard, Jolt
> cans, chinese food containers, Pizza boxes, Cheez-It boxes, and
> a "Live to Code, Code to Live" banner on the wall with the BSD daemon
> standing next to him wearing a Chow Mein box as a hat. Caption
> reads: "FreeBSD - It's not an OS, it's a way of life."
Woo, I don't know - that one hits too close to the bone! :-)
Your other suggestions are.. Interesting! :)
> I think I need therapy ;) I'll think up some more.
I think you're right! :-)
Nonetheless, some of these ideas are actually pretty good. We'll have
to stick it in the "what to do when we're big enough to do `theme'
shirts" file! For now, I think one simple image will do. Let's see
how James Robinson's little contest pans out.. Either that or I'll
just have Ellen (the artist) dive in and produce a few GIFs for public
consumption and we can have a vote..
Jordan
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:06:39 GMT
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From: Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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> How about showing the Daemon surfing on a beach ...
How about a daemon with his trident stuck in Bill Gates's head?
Or just spiking his posterior, if that's going too far.
-- Richard
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From: Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: Mark Tinguely <tinguely@plains.nodak.edu>, bugs@warlock.win.net,
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> think you are insulting their religion you are in very deep doodoo.
On the contrary, I can't think of a better way of publicising FreeBSD
than getting the American religious right to attack it.
A lot of us in the outside world would be very disappointed if you
allowed a group of religious bigots to censor the BSD logo.
-- Richard
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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> When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
> the source be with you."
Oh, THIS one I *LIKE*.
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:58:17 EST
From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" <kaleb@x.org>
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A minor variation of another suggeston would be the daemon as Atlas,
holding up the world.
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To: Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:02:40 -0800
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> Little daemon, just having jumped through a window,
> with all the little fragments of the MS Windows logo
> lying splattered randomly on the floor, having the window
> cross frame in his trident.
That's it! That's the one! Christoph wins the contest!
Expect to see it on posters and coffee mugs soon! :-)
Jordan
P.S. Yes, of course I'm joking!
P.S.S. Geeze, I'm amazed that anyone even still remembers "The Exorcist!" :-)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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>> When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
>> the source be with you."
>
>Oh, THIS one I *LIKE*.
Yeah, but not very original: It's what is below the daemon on Kirk's 4.4BSD
tshirt.
-DG
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From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi)
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>> Ok ok so your not going to ditch the daemon :-)
>>
>> The daemon should be breaking a microsoft windows logo with his pitchfork :-)
>> crash!! broken shards of glass everyplace.
Hahaha, too funny!
Next week, I will draw some pictures you want to need, with my
favorite CG tools, Photoshop, Kai's Power Tools, and KPT Bryce on
Macintosh. (This week, I'm too busy. Sorry!)
P.S.: My latest daemon pictures are placed on
http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-GIF)
http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.tif (24bit-TIFF)
This image is drawn for homepage of mailing list for laptop users of
*BSD :-).
(These image has no link for some reason. Please open it with its URL
directly)
Ideas are welcome!
--
HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (Keio Univ.)
WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html
Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:43:05 -0800
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> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-GIF)
> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.tif (24bit-TIFF
Hey, I like this!
Jordan
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From: me@tartufo.pcs.dec.com (Michael Elbel)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
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In pcs.freebsd.hackers you write:
>Mark Newton writes:
>>
>>
>> > Biker Dept:
>> > Alternate to the above - the Daemon on a Harley and
>> > "Live to Code, Code to Live - FreeBSD"
>>
>> Star Wars Dept:
>>
>> When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
>> the source be with you."
That's the one. Lemme have this one!!
The FSF should have made this their motto long ago :-)
>or "Use the Source, Luke" ;-)
Nah, a) it's already in the X porting document, b) the user doesn't
*have* to use the source, FreeBSD is much too stable for this :-)
Michael
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From: Branson Matheson <branson@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: dima@FreeBSD.org (Dima Ruban)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:02 -0500 (EST)
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>
> Mark Newton writes:
> >
> >
> > > Biker Dept:
> > > Alternate to the above - the Daemon on a Harley and
> > > "Live to Code, Code to Live - FreeBSD"
> >
> > Star Wars Dept:
> >
> > When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
> > the source be with you."
>
> or "Use the Source, Luke" ;-)
Star Trek Dept:
An obvious vulcan giving the split fingers to our little bud with
"Live Long and Prosper" ;-)
( While giving vulcan nerve pinch to Bill Gates )
--
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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@kryten.atinc.com>
Subject: re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: Mark Hittinger <bugs@warlock.win.net>
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On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote:
> Ok ok so your not going to ditch the daemon :-)
>
>
> The daemon should be breaking a microsoft windows logo with his pitchfork :-)
>
> crash!! broken shards of glass everyplace.
in speaking with kirk about proper use of the daemon, he
expressed his desire that the images not be malicious or vengeful in nature.
i believe that he would veto this.
not that i dont agree with you! hell, that's exactly what i am
doing here at A&T......7 machines converted and counting
Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc.
| 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy
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Is the 2.0R code suspect in doing anything with graphics BIOSes? I'm
trying to use two SVGA cards and run X on both using X Inside's X
server that supports this (For PCI cards). This doesn't work though...
Also, some new PCI video frame grabbers are supporting DCI (Display
Control Interface) an Intel/Microsoft standard. This seems related
to the bus-mastering and it is not clear if it has anything to do with
hardware. Does anyone know how to get info on this?
Jonas
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From: hm@ernie.altona.ppp.net (Hellmuth Michaelis)
Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD Hackers)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:38:59 +0100 (MET)
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>From the keyboard of krnlhkr@mcs.com:
> "Put a daemon in your drive - FreeBSD" (re: Put a tiger in your tank) with
ROTFL ....
How about "deamon inside" stickers ? :-) :-) :-) :-)
hellmuth
--
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From: se@MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Stefan Esser)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:08:11 +0100
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On Feb 22, 9:53, ljo@po.CWRU.Edu wrote:
} Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pci.c
} Is the 2.0R code suspect in doing anything with graphics BIOSes? I'm
} trying to use two SVGA cards and run X on both using X Inside's X
} server that supports this (For PCI cards). This doesn't work though...
The PCI attach code always left VGA cards alone.
Didn't check this, but I assume the X server uses
BIOS supplied parameters (at least under XFree).
} Also, some new PCI video frame grabbers are supporting DCI (Display
} Control Interface) an Intel/Microsoft standard. This seems related
} to the bus-mastering and it is not clear if it has anything to do with
} hardware. Does anyone know how to get info on this?
No idea about DCI. If it needs PCI support under
FreeBSD, I'd like to learn about this ...
Regards, STefan
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To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:23:02 +0100 (MET)
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Ugen J.S.Antsilevich wrote:
>
> Hmm..again completely sick NetBSD "release"..
> Tell me, is there *ANY* such release of NetBSD which supports
> without any exclusion or stuff at least 70% of hardware for some
> architecture? That funny OS just comes out anytime with messages like the
> one you sent: SUPPORT FOR <abc>
> And then: except [ethernet|discs|video(no X,never!!!)|serial|processors|etc..]
> Actually i think this is even too small to be called "FYI"..:)
> *IMHO*
Well, the problem is that the groups working on the ports may be
small; take the MacBSD port, there are about three guys working
seriously but probably not full time on it but a lot of people on
the mailing-lists are screaming about the things that don't work and
when will they be finished. So, those ``releases'' are probably put
out to attract people who might be able to actually support the work
but don't have the overall expertise or time to port the kernel to a
new architecture.
Don't forget that the README for 386BSD-0.0 also said things like
`the terminal driver is not really stable, sometimes characters get
stuck in the queue, ...' and it took, what, 3 years? until
FreeBSD-1.1.5 was out.
tg
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Subject: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
To: hackers@FreeBSD.org
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:46:25 -0800 (PST)
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If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct it
to a XFree list?
}Dan
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Hi,
I have been receiving ctm through mail for a few days now. It worked
without problems. Then I made an alias in the aliases file and that also
worked until just now. The messages in the log file is:
1995-02-21 23:54 cvs-cur.0382.gz 1/1 stored
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M/cvs-cur -l /ns/work/FreeBSD/CTM/log"
owner-ctm: postmaster
When I went to look, cvs-cur.0385.gz did not exist and the pieces were also
deleted. So what do I do now? I thought that things were going so smooth
that I did not send the mail to someone else so that mail is lost now.
--
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: krnlhkr@mcs.com
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> Marketing Dept:
> Daemon in a 'vette convertable, driving by the ocean and killer
> shades on with the logo:
> "Why go to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free? - FreeBSD"
"Why drive all the way to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free?"
[Blatant]
> Copyright Violation Dept:
The Duracell plastic people, family portrait style, on the front and
a shot of them in the same positions from behind on the back with
batteries with FreeBSD on them instead of "Duracell".
> (Check with your lawyers first, heh).
Don't bother. They'd kill you before you got three steps. 8-).
Terry Lambert
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 09:22:36 1995
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: mark@communica.oz.au (Mark Newton)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 10:16:03 MST
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> Star Wars Dept:
>
> When Kirk McKuisick signed my copy of the daemon book, he inscribed "May
> the source be with you."
>
> It seems somehow appropriate for the t-shirt too.
This goes well with the "Energizer Bunny" version, especially if you
have a "Darth Vader" looking at his dead light saber's USL ("Super Volt")
batteries.
Lawyer warning still apply.
Terry Lambert
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich)
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> how about Beavis & Butthead sitting near some monitor with
> MsWindows logo on it and mumbling stuff about "kicks ass.."
> and Daemon pointing on them and saying : "don't be like that.."
Beavis sitting at a keyboard with a Windows logo and Butthead at
a Demon logo. Beavis says "He He ...This is cool!" And Butthead
says "No, Beavis, that sucks!"
> NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning
How does someone in Israel fall victim to B&B?
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Hi,
Who is working on yp? I have a problem: The machine on which the
ypserv runs (a Sun) goes down for dumps every night, when it restarts
ypserv comes up on another port. Now the code in ypbind isn't
detecting this. I have a fix, but I am not sure it is the right thing
to do, so it would be nice if whoever is working on this could drop me
a note.
(Also while digging in this I found an old article that describes a
patch for lib/libc/rpc/udp_clnt.c by Casper H.S. Dik that picks up
ICMP dst unreachable messages and delivers them to the RPC layer, this
much improves on timeouts when you are trying to do RPC to a port that
isn't there anymore. Is anyone interested in this?)
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: FYI..
To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 10:46:03 MST
Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jkh@violet.berkeley.edu
In-Reply-To: <Chameleon.950222130314.ugen@ugen.NetManage.co.il> from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Feb 22, 95 12:58:44 pm
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> Hmm..again completely sick NetBSD "release"..
> Tell me, is there *ANY* such release of NetBSD which supports
> without any exclusion or stuff at least 70% of hardware for some
> architecture? That funny OS just comes out anytime with messages like the
> one you sent: SUPPORT FOR <abc>
> And then: except [ethernet|discs|video(no X,never!!!)|serial|processors|etc..]
> Actually i think this is even too small to be called "FYI"..:)
> *IMHO*
By this argument most "releases" on the net are really Beta
distributions anyway. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with this
from a commercial viewpoint, but this list is not a list for a
commercial product.
I'm actually very interested in this port, since a 160 MHz Alpha
motherboard is available from DEC Direct for $1170 retail (you
should never pay retail!), about the same price as a good P90
motherboard.
Admittedly, the $1170 board is PCI based, and so won't work without
some effort given the current state of the port.
But the port has other value in providing information on 64 bit
architectural changes needed in both NetBSD and FreeBSD, as well as
providing some cleaned up tools ported to a 64 bit aware kernel.
Finally, the comments on ecoff files and getting the symbols makes
it clear (to me anyway) that utilities that depend on things like
symbols instead of things like procfs are dated and should die a
horrible death; the user space utilities other than the developement
tools should not be dependent on the object file format used. They
can, however, depend on published cross-platform interfaces like
procfs.
This implies certain file system constructs are mandatory, ie: the
mounting of procfs can not be left up to the user, it must be
implied by the kernel.
I was also interested (but not pleased) by the way they solved the
inter-OS file system mounting problem. That the problem exists
points out the inadequacies of not isolating the disk subsystem
dependencies from the device abstraction, and from not making the
per system physical layout of logical partitioning information a
seperately interposable layer.
The need to move removable media from one machine to another (such
as Syquest and magneto-optical cartridges) clearly argues for the
ability to interpose the layering on a per device rather than on a
per architecture basis.
All in all, I think the announcement (which the NetBSD people did
*not* make to the FreeBSD lists -- it was echoed by Jordan as an
item of general interest) did a lot to make me think about problems
for which I did not already have concrete soloutions.
Terry Lambert
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:07:16 MST."
<9502221707.AA23973@cs.weber.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:00:53 +0100
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Salut,
In the message Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?,
terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) wrote :
>> Marketing Dept:
>> Daemon in a 'vette convertable, driving by the ocean and killer
>> shades on with the logo:
>> "Why go to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free? - FreeBSD"
>
>"Why drive all the way to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free?"
>
One can understand that Berkeley is like Chicago, the difference is that
Berkeley is free.
According to me, there is another difference : Mic... Chicago is bullshit!
-------- --------
Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr
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To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:16:37 MST
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> >> "Why go to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free? - FreeBSD"
> >"Why drive all the way to Chicago when you can go to Berkeley for Free?"
>
> One can understand that Berkeley is like Chicago, the difference is that
> Berkeley is free.
Just wanted to better imply that it was a long, tedious journey to Chicago.
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From: "Alok K. Dhir" <adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu>
To: Mark Hittinger <bugs@warlock.win.net>
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Subject: re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote:
>
>
> Ok ok so your not going to ditch the daemon :-)
>
>
> The daemon should be breaking a microsoft windows logo with his pitchfork :-)
>
> crash!! broken shards of glass everyplace.
Great idea - I like it :-)!
BTW - I also like the shackled daemon breaking free from USL thing, but
that won't mean anything to the great majority of people that see it...
So the humor is lost, you see...
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From: didier@aida.remcomp.fr (Didier Derny)
Subject: cdev major number for a cyrix driver
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Hello,
I'm writing a driver to configure the internal cache of the Cx486Rx2 processor
I've implemented a very simple driver to activate/inactivate the cache
and to read an write in the 486Rx2 internal registers.
this drivers is used by a program that can either load the content of
a configuration file (to use in rc) or to build the configuration file
interactively and then write the new configuration in the registers.
So I need a cdev major number for this driver.
Thanks for your help
Didier Derny
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: cdev major number for a cyrix driver
To: didier@aida.remcomp.fr (Didier Derny)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:56:00 MST
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In-Reply-To: <m0rh3Ln-00040NC@aida.remcomp.fr> from "Didier Derny" at Feb 21, 95 11:46:35 pm
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> I'm writing a driver to configure the internal cache of the Cx486Rx2 processor
>
> I've implemented a very simple driver to activate/inactivate the cache
> and to read an write in the 486Rx2 internal registers.
>
> this drivers is used by a program that can either load the content of
> a configuration file (to use in rc) or to build the configuration file
> interactively and then write the new configuration in the registers.
>
> So I need a cdev major number for this driver.
How about hanging the ioctl's off of an existing device, like /dev/kmem?
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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To: Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth)
Subject: Building /etc
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How about keeping a reference set of files that you change.
/etc/somefile.example
Install procedure:
if exists somefile.example then
if exists somefile.example.old then
rm somefile.example
else
mv somefile.example somefile.example.old
end
install somefile as somefile.example
else
install somefile as somefile
end
That way somefile.example is a "flag" that somefile has been locally changed.
And somefile.example.old is a "flag" that you need to examine the new changes.
----
Richard Wackerbarth
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To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth)
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Subject: Re: Building /etc
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From: Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
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> How about keeping a reference set of files that you change.
> /etc/somefile.example
>
> Install procedure:
:
:
{interesting procedure}
:
:
> That way somefile.example is a "flag" that somefile has been locally changed.
> And somefile.example.old is a "flag" that you need to examine the new changes
OK - PERL script, here we come!
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 12:13:13 1995
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Subject: Re: cdev major number for a cyrix driver
To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:12:17 -0800 (PST)
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> How about hanging the ioctl's off of an existing device, like /dev/kmem?
>
How about:
sysctl cpu.cyrix.cache.foo
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated.
From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 12:13:46 1995
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Subject: Re: Building /etc
To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:12:56 -0800 (PST)
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> How about keeping a reference set of files that you change.
> /etc/somefile.example
Cool idea, submit some code and you will have it that way :-)
--
Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
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In-Reply-To: <11654.793460585@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 22, 95 05:43:05 am
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As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>
> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-GIF)
> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.tif (24bit-TIFF
>
> Hey, I like this!
I don't get anything from this, can someone put them onto freefall?
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 12:23:44 1995
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> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-GIF)
I like it :)
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In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:22:57 -0800.
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> > > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-G
IF)
Is it possible to make the gifs bigger?
Is just that the GIF looks real cool on my root window :)
Amancio
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From: Piero Serini <piero@piero.inet.it>
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:34:08 +0100 (MET)
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In-Reply-To: <199502221313.WAA16241@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at Feb 22, 95 10:13:48 pm
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Hello.
Quoting from HOSOKAWA Tatsumi (Wed Feb 22 14:13:29 1995):
> P.S.: My latest daemon pictures are placed on
>
> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-GIF)
> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.tif (24bit-TIFF)
I think Tatsumi Hosokawa is the winner, so far!
And now there's some 30 other people who hates me for this :) :)
Bye,
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 12:59:48 1995
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:31:30 +0100 (MET)
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9502220938.D1011-0100000@kryten.atinc.com> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Feb 22, 95 09:38:38 am
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Hello.
Quoting from Jonathan M. Bresler (Wed Feb 22 15:38:19 1995):
> > The daemon should be breaking a microsoft windows logo with his pitchfork :-)
...
> in speaking with kirk about proper use of the daemon, he
> expressed his desire that the images not be malicious or vengeful in nature.
...
There's another thing to think carefully of: in many countries
(Italy for example) comparative advertising is not allowed. No
matter if FreeBSD is not a commercial product, you cannot have
its daemon break Windows' (tm) logo (or any other logo).
If you want the shirts and the logo all over the world (yes, I
remember Jordan said that the shirts and the rest will not be for
production, but I still hope they will be in the future :), you
must find something else.
Besides any other legal restriction, I find funny the idea of
breaking some Microsoft (tm) thing, but I'd not like seeing it on
the FreeBSD shirts. FreeBSD is postive, FreeBSD is pro, FreeBSD
is not against anything!
Bye,
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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Have the daemon with a broken ankle chain with his arms as if he just threw
a heavy item. Next to him show a window shatterring into pieces of the
Microsoft logo because a chain and a ball with the USL logo has shattered
the window.
Hmmm, have the daemon inside a PC+monitor with the monitor screen being
the ones shatterred.
Have "FreeBSD: Unleashed!" on top and
I have no clue what should be on the bottom...
[Think of the Apple 1984 Super Bowl Commercial...]
Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com
U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/
Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my
Littleton, MA own warped views, etc.
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> The NE2000 driver for Linux knows how to handle some Cabletron cards.
> They are not recommended though as Cabletron doesn't give out any
> programming information. (CWRU gives out Cabletron cards to almost all
> students.)
Mine was free also :-) Maybe I'll check in the Linux driver how
it is handled and make the ed driver understand it.
Wilko
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:37:59 +0100 (MET)
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He's right, I do not think it is a good behaviour of symlinks... You should
be able to delete any file/link you've created in a public directory.
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From: bag@monolit.kiev.ua (Andrey Blochintsev)
Subject: Symbolic links in dirs with 't' bit ???
Organization: CS/MONOLIT Network Centre
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:27:26 GMT
The FreeBSD 2.0 man for symlink(7) say:
| Unlike other filesystem objects, symbolic links do not have an owner,
^^^^^
| group, permissions, access and modification times, etc. The only at-
| tributes returned from an lstat(2) that refer to the symbolic link itself
| are the file type (S_IFLNK), size, blocks, and link count (always 1).
| The other attributes are filled in from the directory that contains the
| link. For portability reasons, you should be aware that other implemen-
| tations (including historic implementations of 4BSD), implement symbolic
| links such that they have the same attributes as any other file.
In many Unix'es directories for temporary files (/tmp, /var/tmp)
have permissions like this:
drwxrwxrwt 12 root wheel 512 Feb 22 17:16 /tmp
^ Sticky bit set. This mean that user can delete
(or rename) file from this directory only if he have write access to
this directory and he is a owner of this file (last condition changed
to 'have write access to file' in some unix'es).
FreeBSD-2.0 realization of symlink's allow symlink creation
at any writable by user directory but don't allow always remove it.
For example:
bag@im /tmp > make file
bag@im /tmp > ln -s file symlink
bag@im /tmp > ls -laFgd /tmp
-rw-r--r-- 1 bag wheel 11604 Feb 22 17:15 /tmp/file
lrwxrwxrwt 1 root wheel 4 Feb 22 17:16 /tmp/symlink@ -> file
drwxrwxrwt 12 root wheel 512 Feb 22 17:16 /tmp/
bag@im /tmp > rm file symlink
rm: symlink: operation not permitted
This problem can be solved if I remove 't' bit from all directories (or
hack kernel to disable 't' bit), but this also decrease a security of system.
So, does symlink owner and group must be reinserted into system ?
Any suggestion is appreciated
Andrey
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<<On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:12:17 -0800 (PST), Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@ref.tfs.com> said:
>> How about hanging the ioctl's off of an existing device, like /dev/kmem?
>>
> How about:
> sysctl cpu.cyrix.cache.foo
This would make sense for either the hw.devconf entry for the CPU (as
a blob), or else somewhere under machdep.
-GAWollman
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As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
>
> If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
> X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct it
> to a XFree list?
This depends... ;-)
--
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: Piero@piero.inet.it
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 22:56:21 +0100 (MET)
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> There's another thing to think carefully of: in many countries
> (Italy for example) comparative advertising is not allowed. No
> matter if FreeBSD is not a commercial product, you cannot have
> its daemon break Windows' (tm) logo (or any other logo).
Then what about the little things Mickeysoft hide under some special
combinations of keys or mouse clicks in Excel and Word (A Word
jumping on a 1/2/3 logo) or what did WordPerfect on the same line ?
They were in the french versions as well and in France we don't have
comparative ads either.
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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Piero Serini writes:
>
> Hello.
>
> Quoting from HOSOKAWA Tatsumi (Wed Feb 22 14:13:29 1995):
> > P.S.: My latest daemon pictures are placed on
> >
> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.gif (6bit-GIF)
> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.tif (24bit-TIFF)
>
> I think Tatsumi Hosokawa is the winner, so far!
I think so!
> And now there's some 30 other people who hates me for this :) :)
nope, only 29 ;-)
>
> Bye,
> --
> # $Id: .signature,v 1.10 1995/02/05 17:34:46 piero Exp $
> Piero Serini Via Giambologna, 1
> TEMP: <Piero@Piero.Inet.IT> I 20136 Milano - ITALY
> AKA: <Piero@Strider.Inet.IT> - But this address is suspended for a while
>
-- dima
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To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier ROBERT)
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> > There's another thing to think carefully of: in many countries
> > (Italy for example) comparative advertising is not allowed. No
> > matter if FreeBSD is not a commercial product, you cannot have
> > its daemon break Windows' (tm) logo (or any other logo).
>
> Then what about the little things Mickeysoft hide under some special
> combinations of keys or mouse clicks in Excel and Word (A Word
> jumping on a 1/2/3 logo) or what did WordPerfect on the same line ?
>
> They were in the french versions as well and in France we don't have
> comparative ads either.
What are you waiting for, SUE THE BASTARDS !
:-)
Actually I wish somebody would, it is interesting that MS belives they
can break national law that way...
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Subject: Re: cdev major number for a cyrix driver
To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:13:10 -0800 (PST)
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> >> How about hanging the ioctl's off of an existing device, like /dev/kmem?
> >>
> > How about:
> > sysctl cpu.cyrix.cache.foo
>
> This would make sense for either the hw.devconf entry for the CPU (as
> a blob), or else somewhere under machdep.
Well it's your stuff. Inform us to where it belongs...
--
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<<On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:13:10 -0800 (PST), Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@ref.tfs.com> said:
>> > sysctl cpu.cyrix.cache.foo
>>
>> This would make sense for either the hw.devconf entry for the CPU (as
>> a blob), or else somewhere under machdep.
> Well it's your stuff. Inform us to where it belongs...
Well, that would depend on how it's implemented. Just pick one
mechanism, and then show it to me, and I'll tell you what's wrong with
it. Iterate a few times, and we should have something.
-GAWollman
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<<On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:37:59 +0100 (MET), Ollivier Robert <Ollivier.Robert@keltia.frmug.fr.net> said:
> He's right, I do not think it is a good behaviour of symlinks... You should
> be able to delete any file/link you've created in a public directory.
I think the suggested solution was to allow the unlink if the
directory is sticky and the TARGET does not exist or exists and is
owned by the same user...
-GAWollman
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> <<On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:13:10 -0800 (PST), Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@ref.tfs.com> said:
>
> >> > sysctl cpu.cyrix.cache.foo
> >>
> >> This would make sense for either the hw.devconf entry for the CPU (as
> >> a blob), or else somewhere under machdep.
>
> > Well it's your stuff. Inform us to where it belongs...
>
> Well, that would depend on how it's implemented. Just pick one
> mechanism, and then show it to me, and I'll tell you what's wrong with
> it. Iterate a few times, and we should have something.
Garrett, this is unfair. We have a guy at hand who wants to write some
code. You should be able to tell him where you >as the sysctl architect<
see that code in the sysctl namespace.
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<<On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:25:26 -0800 (PST), Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@ref.tfs.com> said:
> Garrett, this is unfair. We have a guy at hand who wants to write some
> code. You should be able to tell him where you >as the sysctl architect<
> see that code in the sysctl namespace.
And what I'm telling you is that I am not the bloody sysctl architect!
I've done a lot of work on implementing various pieces of it, and if
he wants to use devconf, it might spur me into writing the man page
I've been meaning to explaining how, but I don't have time to make
what should be obvious judgment calls for every Joe who wants to add a
new MIB variable. There Is No One True Way. Use YOUR judgment, think
a little about how YOU think it would make the most sense, and I'll
thank you for your effort.
Depending on the internal design of the driver, it would either make
sense to define a whole cluster of MIB variables in the machdep area,
or to define a single structure which is part of the device-dependent
section of the CPU's devconf structure (which hasn't yet been
implemented, but should be for MP systems in any case). I haven't
seen the code in question, so it's unreasonable to ask me to come up
with an answer blind, and after seeing it, either answer may STILL be
reasonable.
I would suggest that the original author implement the ioctl()
approach and then when it's integrated and we are in the 2.2 cycle,
the question can be revisited as a part of an overall device
configuration strategy.
-GAWollman
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To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch)
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
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> As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
> >
> > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
> > X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct it
> > to a XFree list?
What is your problem?
Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
XFree86 mailing list.
Amancio
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From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly)
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To: Piero@piero.inet.it
Cc: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, bugs@warlock.win.net,
hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp
In-Reply-To: <199502222034.VAA06162@piero.inet.it> (message from Piero Serini on Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:34:08 +0100 (MET))
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>>>>> "Piero" == Piero Serini <piero@piero.inet.it> writes:
>> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/bsd-nomads.tif
>> (24bit-TIFF)
Piero> I think Tatsumi Hosokawa is the winner, so far!
Oh come on ... it's not a bad picture, but it's too much for the side
of a coffee mug. A single daemon---the stark contrast of background
and subject---would better impact the viewer with the importance of
the message---especially in the challenging coffee mug medium.
--k
PS: Good lord---I can't believe I just typed that. :-)
From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 15:43:53 1995
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:43:49 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> What are you waiting for, SUE THE BASTARDS !
> :-)
I know you're just joking, but I just thought I'd jump in here and say
that I'd be sad if someone did. Why? Because then Microsoft would,
in typical large company fashion, come down on the heads of the
programmers who put the easter eggs (as they're called) in the
Microsoft products, and this would be a sad day for all concerned.
One of the few "human" things about the Microsoft products (and there
aren't many) are these little hidden treats, and if Microsoft started
nuking them then other folks like Lotus would follow suit and before
long things would appear again as they did during the reign of the
Blue Suited Ones. Dull and boring! One pogrom a century is enough,
thank you! :-)
Jordan
From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 16:04:17 1995
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:04:14 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> > As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
> > >
> > > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
> > > X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct it
> > > to a XFree list?
>
> What is your problem?
>
> Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
> XFree86 mailing list.
>
Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
the rest of us just aren't in on? He was gracious enough to ASK if
the mailing list was correct and when I informed him that the XFree86
project was the more correct place to go, he kindly thanked me and
redirected his question accordingly. If your response was not in jest
than I think you owe him an apology - this kind of rudeness is neither
tolerated nor welcome on our lists, and if you can't be nice then I
strongly urge you to stay well out of the question-answering business,
at least where our good name is concerned.
Thank you.
Jordan
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From: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
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In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
"Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?" (Feb 22, 4:04pm)
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To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>, hasty@netcom.com
Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
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> > > > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and
> > > > my X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or
> > > > should I direct it to a XFree list?
> >
> > What is your problem?
> >
> > Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
> > XFree86 mailing list.
> Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
> entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
Umm, I think the 'attack-wars' going on are rubbing off. I didn't take
this an atttack at all, but a 'Questions *should* be directed to XFree's
mailing list, but I'd like to know that the problem is anyway' and not a
'GET A LIFE YOU LOSER, XFREE PROBLEMS DON'T BELONG HERE.'
Sheesh, we are starting to have to be PC (politically correct) around
here to avoid being mis-interpreted.
Nate
From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 16:25:47 1995
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:17:54 MST
Cc: hasty@netcom.com, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, dsherwin@cts.com,
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In-Reply-To: <10756.793497854@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 22, 95 04:04:14 pm
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> > What is your problem?
[ ... ]
> Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
> entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
> the rest of us just aren't in on? He was gracious enough to ASK if
> the mailing list was correct and when I informed him that the XFree86
> project was the more correct place to go, he kindly thanked me and
> redirected his question accordingly. If your response was not in jest
> than I think you owe him an apology - this kind of rudeness is neither
> tolerated nor welcome on our lists, and if you can't be nice then I
> strongly urge you to stay well out of the question-answering business,
> at least where our good name is concerned.
Jordan, I think you have the em-FAH-sis on the wrong sy-LAH-ble. 8-).
"WHAT is your problem", not "what IS your problem"...
Unfortunate similarity to the idiom "what's HIS problem?".
He was asking that the problem be enumberated, not casting aspersions
on the speakers ability to form rational thoughts.
Ah, English... 8-).
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 16:46:16 1995
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To: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.mt.net>
cc: hasty@netcom.com, dsherwin@cts.com (Daniel Sherwin), hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:46:13 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> Umm, I think the 'attack-wars' going on are rubbing off. I didn't take
> this an atttack at all, but a 'Questions *should* be directed to XFree's
Uh.. Perhaps I read this wrong. I saw the first sentence of:
"What is your problem?"
And presumed it was spoken in the tone of "What is your *problem*?"
rather than (and as I would have phrased it, given the rather double
meaning of the former) "What sort of problem are you having?"
Sorry if I jumped down Amancio's throat unnecessarily. I guess I'm so
tuned to flammage today (and there does seem to have been a lot of it,
wonder if it's a full moon or something!) that I didn't even stop to
think that it might have been a genuine (and entirely innocent)
question!
If so, Amancio, you have my sincere apologies.. I was merely trying
to nip in the bud what *appeared* to me to be an attack on one of our
questioners, and our reputation for being kind to querants is
something I'm fairly eager to protect!
Jordan
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From: ywliu@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu)
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
To: hackers@FreeBSD.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:05:54 +0800 (CST)
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>
> >How about
> >
> >"The best things in life are Free"
> >
> > <picture of daemon>
> >
> >"FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
>
> The shirts and promotional items will last for years - you shouldn't
> include a specific version. Just "FreeBSD, coming to a PC near you!".
>
> -DG
>
Personally I also think, if the logo needs to last for years, never
put any ad words or images similar to anything popular now : such as
"xxx in/outside" (do we want to change our slogan if Intel changes it ?).
Also, some logo and slogn may be interesting at first time, but not serious
or formal enough to last even half a year.
Get us our own unique one and that can last (hopefully) forever.
Yen-Wei Liu
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: hackers@FreeBSD.org
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In-Reply-To: <17866.9502221117@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> from "Richard Tobin" at Feb 22, 95 11:17:46 am
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>
> Hmm..
> how about Beavis & Butthead sitting near some monitor with
> MsWindows logo on it and mumbling stuff about "kicks ass.."
> and Daemon pointing on them and saying : "don't be like that.."
>
> --
In case our logo and slogan need to last for a period of time, this
fashionable stuff may not be suitable.
Just think, will you still love this picture 2 or 3 years later ?
(I am too serious, am I not ? 8-)
Yen-Wei Liu
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To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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dsherwin@cts.com (Daniel Sherwin), hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:04:14 -0800.
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> > > As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
> > > > X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct
it
>
> > > > to a XFree list?
> >
> > What is your problem?
> >
> > Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
> > XFree86 mailing list.
> >
> Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
> entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
> the rest of us just aren't in on? He was gracious enough to ASK if
> the mailing list was correct and when I informed him that the XFree86
Could I get the same thing that you are smoking, pretty please ? :)
Now take three good deep breaths that should clear your head or
count from ten to one ....
For the record, I did offer to help the poor fellow and was
merely trying to ask him to characterize his problem.
See Ya,
Amancio
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:19:20 -0800
From: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
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>> > As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
>> > > X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct i
>t
>
>> > > to a XFree list?
>>
>> What is your problem?
As in, "Can you tell me what your problem is so I might help out??".
I think this is what was meant.
>>
>> Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
>> XFree86 mailing list.
>>
>
>Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
>entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
>the rest of us just aren't in on? He was gracious enough to ASK if
...
> Jordan
--
Justin T. Gibbs
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Subject: Re: ypbind
To: seb@erix.ericsson.se (Sebastian Strollo)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:36:41 -0500 (EST)
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They say this Sebastian Strollo person was kidding when he wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Who is working on yp?
Since I was the last guy to hack on ypbind, and since I'm the one who
ported the Linux/GNU YP server stuff to FreeBSD, I guess I'm the lucky
guy. :)
> I have a problem: The machine on which the
> ypserv runs (a Sun) goes down for dumps every night, when it restarts
> ypserv comes up on another port. Now the code in ypbind isn't
> detecting this. I have a fix, but I am not sure it is the right thing
> to do, so it would be nice if whoever is working on this could drop me
> a note.
I'd be interested in seeing your fix, but I'd also like to know what
version of ypbind you're using. A quick way to tell is if you get
'server not responding/server OK' syslog messages when the Sun
YP server goes down; ypbind didn't do this until a couple weeks
ago. Another quick way is to check the RCS Id tag at the top of
ypbind.c: if it says it was last modified by 'wpaul,' then you have
the latest one, otherwise you have the one from 2.0-RELEASE.
So far, I haven't had much of a chance to really stress test ypbind's
ability to recover from downed servers. This is mainly because the
YP servers I'm testing with are the ones in active use on the CTR
network here at Columbia, and I can't crash one of them just for
the sake of testing FreeBSD. :) However, I might be able to rig up
another FreeBSD box as a YP server to test this scenario, so all hope
is not lost.
There were basically two things that I fixed when I tinkered with
ypbind:
- After binding to a server, ypbind was supposed to try 'pinging' the
server every 60 seconds to see if it was still alive. The algorithm
governing this behavior was broken: the 60-second timeout only
worked once. After that, ypbind would send broadcasts every 5
seconds come hell or high water.
The new version behaves correctly: once bound, it 'pings' every 60
seconds an if it doesn't get a response from the server within 30
seconds, it goes back to broadcasting every 5 seconds until it finds a
new server.
- When 'pinging' the server, it shouldn't be neccessary to broadcast
all over the place: we already have the IP of our server, so it should
be enough to send packets just to the server instead of broadcasting,
since the broadcasts might be picked up by other servers in different
YP domains. Technically this isn't a problem, but it's un-neighborly. :)
> (Also while digging in this I found an old article that describes a
> patch for lib/libc/rpc/udp_clnt.c by Casper H.S. Dik that picks up
> ICMP dst unreachable messages and delivers them to the RPC layer, this
> much improves on timeouts when you are trying to do RPC to a port that
> isn't there anymore. Is anyone interested in this?)
Sure! Send the whole mess to wpaul@freebsd.org and I'll have a look
at it. Also let me know what ypbind you have so I know what I'm up
against. :)
> /Sebastian
-Bill
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City
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~~~~~~~~ FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Tue Feb 7 01:49:07 EST 1995 ~~~~~~~~~
From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 22 19:02:44 1995
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> Could I get the same thing that you are smoking, pretty please ? :)
Sorry, I don't have enough to share! :-)
Jordan
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From: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
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>>
>> >How about
>> >
>> >"The best things in life are Free"
>> >
>> > <picture of daemon>
>> >
>> >"FreeBSD 2.1, coming to a PC near you!"
>>
>> The shirts and promotional items will last for years - you shouldn't
>> include a specific version. Just "FreeBSD, coming to a PC near you!".
>>
>> -DG
>>
>
>Personally I also think, if the logo needs to last for years, never
>put any ad words or images similar to anything popular now : such as
>"xxx in/outside" (do we want to change our slogan if Intel changes it ?).
I just suggested this for the little sticker that you can replace the
vendor sticker on your case with. I wasn't trying to emulate Intel, I
just wan't people who see my "PC" to look at it as something more than
a DOS/Windows machine. Something as subtle as a little daemon will
draw attention as well as fill the empty sticker spots on all my cases! :-)
"Daemon inside" is short and appropriate for what I'm trying to say, "I run
BSD on my PC."
>Also, some logo and slogn may be interesting at first time, but not serious
>or formal enough to last even half a year.
>
>Get us our own unique one and that can last (hopefully) forever.
>
>Yen-Wei Liu
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==============================================
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 00:12:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Hoffman <jeffh@Cybernetics.NET>
To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org
Subject: UPDATE: Imagine128 & AccelX & 950210-SNAP
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Ok, for those of you who have been keeping up, I tried to re-install 2.0
and ended up back with 950210-SNAP because my floppy didn't work with
2.0 This time, I ftp'ed the the 950210-SNAP from scratch, and did not
use one single non-950210-SNAP file (except my X server).
I installed the 950210 bindist, compat1x, secure, and XFree86-3.1.1.
I rebooted, just to make sure that all was OK. It was.
I made a symlink from X11R6 to X386, then did a tar -xvzf /dev/rfd0 and
AcceleratedX was installed fine. I ran setup, chose the default
configuration (IBM VGA, 256k, 640x480x16, etc).
I ran startx. Everything is OK. I think 'Hey, maybe it's fixed.'
I run Xsetup again, choose Number9 I128 w/4MB, same resolution, same
color depth (16 colors). I load up X, and things are no longer OK.
Before I go into depth with the problems, let me say that I ran this
server under 2.0 for a while (about a month) with 0 problems. I have not
done one thing to my machine since then. It is _EXACTLY_ the same as it
was then. _Something_ that was changed between 2.0 and 950210-SNAP is
causing this problem, either directly or indirectly. I will let the
XInside people know tomorrow, as well.
Using TWM, I notice the following:
1) When moving a window (via click on title bar and drag), if the top of
the title bar is moved above y = 0 then things go crazy. See diagram.
top, left corner of entire screen
|
v
\ | | |
\\ | | |
\ \ --|--|---|
\ \ | | |
\ --|\-|---|
\ | |\ |
\__________\
it's as if the upper left corner (0,0) grabs the top border of my window
and pulls it up there or something.
2) Using Netscape, any pictures (including the animated N and anything
that is supposed to be on the html document i'm viewing) are strewn all
across the screen (everywhere but in the netscape window.)
3) Periodically (haven't figured out when or why yet) things fail to
repaint correctly (can be fixed by switching virtual desktops and coming
back.)
I am letting you guys know so that you can fix whatever's wrong, or at
least tell the people at XInside so they can fix it in the next version
(1.2) of their server. Not being able to use a graphical WWW browser at
home sucks. (I haven't tried xv, ghostview, or anything like that yet.)
My system configuration is as follows:
90mhz Pentium
32mb RAM
NCR 53c825 SCSI controller
1gig SCSI drive
SCSI CD-ROM
Unknown floppy controller
Unknown serial/parallel port board
Keyboard
MS Serial Mouse 2.0
3.5" NEC floppy drive
IOMEGA Tape250
If you have _ANY_ questions, I will do all I can to help.
Jeff
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From: Stephen Hocking <sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au>
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FYI - Thought you might find it interesting....
>In article <3ied74$oor@crl.crl.com> bny@crl.com (Bradley Yearwood) writes:
>>Open Systems Today, Feb. 20 issue, claims that AT&T will release Plan 9
>>with source code for $350 next month. Anyone have more details?
>
>Hmmm. I thought Rob Pike said $200 at USENIX.
>
>--
>Alan F. Perry
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>esprit@netcom.com
Stephen
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Hi,
As some of you may have seen back in the 1.1 days, I had a kernel configuration
file generator. I've now rewritten this for 2.0 using curseperl for a
snazzy interface. I will be shortly writting a make file to allow a user
to generate curse perl with our standard perl sources (not hard).
Question: Do I have to FTP my program even though its fairly small (call it
100k) for a package?
Or can we stick in contrib again? It is a Berkeley style copyright.
Question: If so, can we find a place for it (My link can get flaky...)
I'll be genning a new version for 2.1 once we have settled on the devices
and how the config file will look.
What it does:
Give the user menus for each sub-section
Write a legal config file for the options selected (It does do some checking
(e.g. puts in ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR if you pick the PS/2 mouse driver))
What it does not do:
Most of the esoteric options and such are NOT covered (e.g. XNS and PORTAL).
If need those, then you know how to generate a config file manually.
Does anyone think this is a good idea???
Gary
P.S: This is another project that is due to my distribution with my POS
software.
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I had a line
/home/snap /home/snap10 -maproot=root gil
in /etc/exports on blues. Today I found that the mount that existed
has disappeared (?--------- root wheel ).
I saw recent changes regarding /etc/exports format.
I tried to mount again to no avail: RPC error : permission denied
What is the final rule now for exporting subtrees of a filesystem?
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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Under both, 1.1.5.1 as well as 2.1.0-current I cannot send mail to
a user@domain when domain is our local domain physik. I don't see
any special relay host macros in /etc/sendmail.cf. sendmail
always wants to resolve the host 'physik'. Excuse me, if this is
a sendmail triviality, but I tried various macros (DG) to no avail
now. We have a mail host in our campus who knows about the mail aliases.
Even when I use this host as relay machine my mail bounces.
Any sendmail expert out there?
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:35:09 -0500 (EST)
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Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
>
> > Could I get the same thing that you are smoking, pretty please ? :)
>
> Sorry, I don't have enough to share! :-)
Besides, I'm pretty sure it is coffee.
Peter
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From: Doug Rabson <dfr@render.com>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@ref.tfs.com>
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On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> > I have a locally patched bootpd here which will respond to DHCP requests
> > with ip addresses from its statically allocated tables. It does not work
> > with WFW3.11 due to problems with broadcast replies but it does work with
> > current betas of Win95. Should I commit this thing or wait for
> > bootpd-2.5 which will have essentially the same DHCP support and might
> > also support dynamic allocation?
>
> I suggest you make a README and stick it all in the tarfile, then it will
> be in the "experimental" directory on the CD.
>
> Anybody else with this kind of "non-finished" code lying around, do the
> same thing!
I don't understand. Which tarfile? What experimental directory?
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Subject: Re: Will our efforts become redundant? (Plan 9 low cost)
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I wouldn't worry. I don't think Plan 9 is freely redistributable, so it's
going to be harder to get the oomph behind it. Pity.
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How about "FreeBSD aiming for perfection" or something similar, with
the daemon in the lotus position, humming cute little mantras....
Web: http://web.cs.city.ac.uk/finger/njw
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How about "FreeBSD aiming for perfection" or something similar, with
the daemon in the lotus position, humming cute little mantras....
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On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Don Yuniskis wrote:
> I'd like to setup my FreeBSD box to cater to some DOS users.
> Are there any freely-available packages which would allow them to run
> ppp/slip into FreeBSD host? What's this "Trumpet" package?
Trumpet is a shareware TCP/IP package for Windoze that supports SLIP and
provides a Winsock (actually, when we tested it it was the ONLY package
that completely supported all Winsock features!) API. It won't help you
with MS-DOG users, but if you're using Windoze it's easy to install and
we've found it to be pretty solid.
We've also used Chameleon, SuperTCP, and LAN Workplace for DOS; all of
them work with various features (I use SuperTCP's NFS at home) but they
are really messy to set up and manage [with SuperTCP every time I want to
install a new interface I basically have to re-install the entire package;
it keeps losing track of configuration files... ;{(] There are lots of
other packages out there too, but these are the ones I've experienced.
On the MS-DOG only side things are a bit thinner since there's no
"standard" API for TCP/IP under MS-DOG. However, we've had some success
with Minuet (shareware) and I've also used PC/TCP (commercial). SuperTCP
also allows some TCP/IP functionality under MS-DOG (I use the NFS
capability); I'm sure some of the other packages have like functionality.
Hope this helps,
Mike
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Subject: A new UNIX poster?
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With all the talk of a "FreeBSD" Daemon, last night I had the following idea:
Remember the great UNIX MAGIC/UNIX NEWS/UNIX FEUDS posters put out by
Unitech.
Here's a somewhat radical idea ... why put out another poster in the
series. Considering UNIX FEUDS was the last one, it's begging for a
followup ... Also note that these posters referred to a lot of
corporations (USL, DEC, OSF/1, etc.).
The following is a bit Arthurian in nature but ...
Imagine (these are *big* psoters 3 feet by 5 feet or so)...
In the center is large moss/lichen covered stone with a polished top
on which you can see where a sword was once imbedded into the
stone.
Standing on top of stone is a dirty stained knight in chain mail
holding the sword high. On the blade are the words "FreeBSD",
"NetBSD", and "Linux" repeatedly in a gold braid so no one word is
more significant than any other.
To the right are various group of soldier with banners held high
celebrating. In the Linux group there is a battle hardened marine on
the shoulders of his compatriots holding a chainsaw high. (this
should be to the rear of the group). There should be BSDI (consider
the court case), FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Linux banners (pick an
approriate icon for each).
Slightly behind/beside (left of) the stone is the Unix Wizard with a
dispassionate expression on his face though his eyes are twinkling.
On the shoulder of the Unix Wizard is his familiar, the BSD daemon
with tennis shoes and all. The tennis shoes are on the Wizards
shoulders; most of the daemon is behind the Wizards head, though the
daemon is resting his arms on the Wizards head with the daemons hands
cupping his own chin. His face a big "shit-ass" grin.
Further to left and in front are two knights are prisoners. Behind
are more of the victorious groups (a mixed compies of the ones
outlines above). They are sitting with their legs underneath them and
their hand tied behind their backs. Before them are their torn
banners with the staffs broken as well as their swords. (Each should
have a emblem on their chest that matches one of the two banners;
these banners should read USL and UI). As they look upon the scene,
their expression is one of horrow/awe...
In the distance should be a dark and foreboding castle which would
symbolize MicroSoft in some way. (there should be dark objects in
the sky near it). In another direction should be a fallen/breached
castle with a ripped USL banner laying the rubble. There should be
small fires and other indistinct piles that show a great battle was
fought.
The sky should be grayish-light but sunlight should be breaking though
and illuminating the victory party (except for the prisoners).
Now along the top for the title of the poster, there should be a
UNIX REBELS.
This poster is not just for FreeBSD but all the Free UNIX-like operating
systems so it is important that NetBSD and LINUX also be represented.
Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com
U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/
Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my
Littleton, MA own warped views, etc.
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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@kryten.atinc.com>
Subject: Re: A new UNIX poster?
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THIS SOUNDS GREAT!
where do i get one? ;) JORDAN!
On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Matt Thomas wrote:
>
> With all the talk of a "FreeBSD" Daemon, last night I had the following idea:
>
> Remember the great UNIX MAGIC/UNIX NEWS/UNIX FEUDS posters put out by
> Unitech.
>
> Here's a somewhat radical idea ... why put out another poster in the
> series. Considering UNIX FEUDS was the last one, it's begging for a
> followup ... Also note that these posters referred to a lot of
> corporations (USL, DEC, OSF/1, etc.).
>
> The following is a bit Arthurian in nature but ...
>
> Imagine (these are *big* psoters 3 feet by 5 feet or so)...
>
> In the center is large moss/lichen covered stone with a polished top
> on which you can see where a sword was once imbedded into the
> stone.
>
> Standing on top of stone is a dirty stained knight in chain mail
> holding the sword high. On the blade are the words "FreeBSD",
> "NetBSD", and "Linux" repeatedly in a gold braid so no one word is
> more significant than any other.
>
> To the right are various group of soldier with banners held high
> celebrating. In the Linux group there is a battle hardened marine on
> the shoulders of his compatriots holding a chainsaw high. (this
> should be to the rear of the group). There should be BSDI (consider
> the court case), FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Linux banners (pick an
> approriate icon for each).
>
> Slightly behind/beside (left of) the stone is the Unix Wizard with a
> dispassionate expression on his face though his eyes are twinkling.
> On the shoulder of the Unix Wizard is his familiar, the BSD daemon
> with tennis shoes and all. The tennis shoes are on the Wizards
> shoulders; most of the daemon is behind the Wizards head, though the
> daemon is resting his arms on the Wizards head with the daemons hands
> cupping his own chin. His face a big "shit-ass" grin.
>
> Further to left and in front are two knights are prisoners. Behind
> are more of the victorious groups (a mixed compies of the ones
> outlines above). They are sitting with their legs underneath them and
> their hand tied behind their backs. Before them are their torn
> banners with the staffs broken as well as their swords. (Each should
> have a emblem on their chest that matches one of the two banners;
> these banners should read USL and UI). As they look upon the scene,
> their expression is one of horrow/awe...
>
> In the distance should be a dark and foreboding castle which would
> symbolize MicroSoft in some way. (there should be dark objects in
> the sky near it). In another direction should be a fallen/breached
> castle with a ripped USL banner laying the rubble. There should be
> small fires and other indistinct piles that show a great battle was
> fought.
>
> The sky should be grayish-light but sunlight should be breaking though
> and illuminating the victory party (except for the prisoners).
>
> Now along the top for the title of the poster, there should be a
> UNIX REBELS.
>
> This poster is not just for FreeBSD but all the Free UNIX-like operating
> systems so it is important that NetBSD and LINUX also be represented.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com
> U*X Networking WWW URL: http://ftp.dec.com/%7Ethomas/
> Digital Equipment Corporation Disclaimer: This message reflects my
> Littleton, MA own warped views, etc.
>
>
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Subject: Re: A new UNIX poster?
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>
> With all the talk of a "FreeBSD" Daemon, last night I had the following idea:
>
> Remember the great UNIX MAGIC/UNIX NEWS/UNIX FEUDS posters put out by
> Unitech.
Nice job.
I'd buy this poster in a New York Minute!
Bill
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:41:09 -0800
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> Question: Do I have to FTP my program even though its fairly small (call it
> 100k) for a package?
Do you mean make a port out of it?
> Or can we stick in contrib again? It is a Berkeley style copyright.
> Question: If so, can we find a place for it (My link can get flaky...)
As far as I'm concerned, if this is really good it should go into
/usr/src/usr.sbin. I was planning on making an impassioned plea for a
utility like this before and am very pleased to see this.
> Does anyone think this is a good idea???
I think it's a *terrific* idea!
Jordan
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How about "FreeBSD aiming for perfection" or something similar, with
the daemon in the lotus position, humming cute little mantras....
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To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:23:51 -0500 (CST)
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>
> > Question: Do I have to FTP my program even though its fairly small (call it
> > 100k) for a package?
>
> Do you mean make a port out of it?
>
> > Or can we stick in contrib again? It is a Berkeley style copyright.
> > Question: If so, can we find a place for it (My link can get flaky...)
>
> As far as I'm concerned, if this is really good it should go into
> /usr/src/usr.sbin. I was planning on making an impassioned plea for a
> utility like this before and am very pleased to see this.
>
> > Does anyone think this is a good idea???
>
> I think it's a *terrific* idea!
>
> Jordan
>
Jordan,
Only one problem... This requires the perlmanu package (GPL) and curseperl
(Which I guess we can build or use a version of PERL that is curseperl also.
Once it's done, I'll put it up for ftp and see what kind of feedback I get.
Gary
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:33:22 -0800
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Let me tell you a little about my day yesterday..
The previous day I'd just come off a 36 hour awake stint, and I
finally crashed and burned around 4pm.. Of course, this meant that I
popped out of bed bright and shining around 5:00am the next morning,
so I went off to work and then during lunch realized that if I was
going to be awake for a rather important 8pm meeting later on that night,
I'd better drink some coffee. Well, I overdid it (3 cappuccinos, if you
must know :-) and when I got back to the office, I was one vibrating
bundle of nerve ganglia.
This is why during the subsequent /usr/include war I fired all sorts
of neutron weapons off and generally did my best to murder everyone in
sight. Sigh! So now I'm sending out this message..
Let me put it this way: Over the last 18 months, we've been talking to
eachother almost every day, often many times per day, and I don't
think that it's too innaccurate to say that many of us have become
something like an extended family to one another.. You just can't
communicate that often and for that long without building up some
fairly close ties. This means that like any family, we have some
nasty squabbles at times but it still doesn't change our essential
value to one another, at least not unless we work really hard at
alienating our fellow teammates.
So, having no desire to alienate my fellow teammates, I'm big enough
to say that I'm sorry. I still may feel strongly about some of the
issues discussed, but it doesn't mean that I have to try and convince
you all with bamboo splinters under the fingernails.
I think a few of us on these mailing lists could benefit from similar
restraint, but I won't preach to you about it. Hopefully you will
come to your own realization of how important inter-group relations
are and how fast a simple topic can explode into warfare when the
people involved are unwilling to put good relations before "being
right at any cost." I certainly have, and I simply wanted to
communicate this to the group.
Peace!
Jordan
P.S. I think I'm going to give up coffee for good. It has an entirely
unpleasant effect on my disposition!
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> > > I have a locally patched bootpd here which will respond to DHCP requests
> > > with ip addresses from its statically allocated tables. It does not work
> > > with WFW3.11 due to problems with broadcast replies but it does work with
> > > current betas of Win95. Should I commit this thing or wait for
> > > bootpd-2.5 which will have essentially the same DHCP support and might
> > > also support dynamic allocation?
> >
> > I suggest you make a README and stick it all in the tarfile, then it will
> > be in the "experimental" directory on the CD.
> >
> > Anybody else with this kind of "non-finished" code lying around, do the
> > same thing!
>
> I don't understand. Which tarfile? What experimental directory?
You make a tarfile and a README with your code, and I will stick it in
a directory called "experimental" on the 2.1 CD. Simple ?
--
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> How about "FreeBSD aiming for perfection" or something similar, with
> the daemon in the lotus position, humming cute little mantras....
awk man who proff grep?
Terry Lambert
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>> How about "FreeBSD aiming for perfection" or something similar, with
>> the daemon in the lotus position, humming cute little mantras....
Terry said:
>awk man who proff grep?
My lawyer was sure you'd suggest "FreeBSD is not UNIX, Machten is not
UNIX, NetBSD is not UNIX, 386BSD is not UNIX, ..."
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:57:57 -0600 (CST)
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>
> > > As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
> > > > X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct it
>
> > > > to a XFree list?
> >
> > What is your problem?
> >
> > Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
> > XFree86 mailing list.
> >
>
> Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
> entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
> the rest of us just aren't in on? He was gracious enough to ASK if
> the mailing list was correct and when I informed him that the XFree86
> project was the more correct place to go, he kindly thanked me and
> redirected his question accordingly. If your response was not in jest
> than I think you owe him an apology - this kind of rudeness is neither
> tolerated nor welcome on our lists, and if you can't be nice then I
> strongly urge you to stay well out of the question-answering business,
> at least where our good name is concerned.
>
> Thank you.
> Jordan
>
I don't get it. The first guy asks where to ask about a problem. Garrett
asks what that problem might be? ( I admit, it seems he assumed that there
really was a problem already.) I think one of us misread the exchange.
If it was me, I apologize.
Boyd
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Subject: Re: XFree86 probs? This the right place?
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:57:57 -0600 (CST)
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>
> > > As Daniel Sherwin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If I have a problem with a newly installed SNAP BSD version and my
> > > > X-Windows, is this the right place to ask for help, or should I direct it
>
> > > > to a XFree list?
> >
> > What is your problem?
> >
> > Also questions relating to Xfree should be directed to the
> > XFree86 mailing list.
> >
>
> Huh? I presume you're a good friend of Dan's or something, and this
> entirely ad-hominem attack on him has some greater significance that
> the rest of us just aren't in on? He was gracious enough to ASK if
> the mailing list was correct and when I informed him that the XFree86
> project was the more correct place to go, he kindly thanked me and
> redirected his question accordingly. If your response was not in jest
> than I think you owe him an apology - this kind of rudeness is neither
> tolerated nor welcome on our lists, and if you can't be nice then I
> strongly urge you to stay well out of the question-answering business,
> at least where our good name is concerned.
>
> Thank you.
> Jordan
>
I don't get it. The first guy asks where to ask about a problem. Garrett
asks what that problem might be? ( I admit, it seems he assumed that there
really was a problem already.) I think one of us misread the exchange.
If it was me, I apologize.
Boyd
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I'm asking for someone who can't get X working with 2.0
and a ps/2 mouse. Is device psm0 built in the -current GENERIC
kernel? I found a referece in LINT kernel but this looks obsolete -
I cannot believe that the ALLOW_ADDRESS_CONFLICT thing is still
there in 2.1.0.
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 17
18:32:16 1995 root@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUES i386
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
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The little guy leaping over a hurdle wearing his FreeBSD logo T-Shirt
and his demonic grin.
Everyone can have their own interpretation of the hurdle.
Peter
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(No, Julian, I don't have a real time machine)
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<<On Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:33:22 -0800, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com> said:
> So, having no desire to alienate my fellow teammates, I'm big enough
> to say that I'm sorry. I still may feel strongly about some of the
> issues discussed, but it doesn't mean that I have to try and convince
> you all with bamboo splinters under the fingernails.
Thanks, Jordan; I feel the same way.
-GAWollman
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In the current SCSI code there is a fair amount of common code in the
type drivers that could be collapsed by something such as:
int sdopen(dev_t dev)
{
return scsiopen(dev, &sd_switch);
}
where sd_switch is a SCSI specific structure that describes the
unique code of a SCSI type driver and the common code is handled
in scsiopen and then call sd_open with validated SCSI data structures.
However, for new devices (as an example an Optronic's Image Setter
produced by one of our valued clients) it seems silly to manually
create oisopen, oisclose, oisioctl instead of vectoring directly into
scsiopen and passing the appropriate switch from within conf.c.
That is, instead of
> disk oi0 at scbus0 target 1 unit 1
in config and then essentially oiopen, oiclose, oiioctl functions
that go directly to scsiopen, scsiclose, scsiioctl, and I would
somehow set it up in conf.c so that an indication of the "oi" device
is passed in.
I thought of having config generate
> extern scsi_device sd_switch;
> int sdopen(dev_t dev) { return scsiopen(dev, &sd_switch); }
for each SCSI device in ioconf.c, but this seems flakey.
Is there a good way to do this? For now I'm just planning on going
with the "do it by hand each time" approach but that "offends my
aesthetic".
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: kaleb@x.org (Kaleb S. KEITHLEY)
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> >awk man who proff grep?
>
> My lawyer was sure you'd suggest "FreeBSD is not UNIX, Machten is not
> UNIX, NetBSD is not UNIX, 386BSD is not UNIX, ..."
I like that better, but how do you say it to the tune of Om Mani Padme Om?
Hint: pronounce it "P-roff".
Interestingly (also, but unrelated), pronounced "P" in Japanese is
the word "pig". Comment on the size? Coincidence?
Terry Lambert
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Subject: FYI -- Linux and Corsair are back.
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FYI --
Boy... I wonder what would've happened if this was based on FreeBSD.
> From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
> Subject: Corsair lives! Hooray for Uncle Ray!
> Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
> Date: 17 Feb 1995 04:24:06 GMT
> Organization: Crynwr Software
> Lines: 21
> Message-ID: <NELSON.95Feb16232406@crynwr.crynwr.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.crynwr.com
> cc: torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi, mdw@cs.cornell.edu
The February 13th, 1995 issue of Inter@ctive Week reports on page
8 that Ray Noorda launched Caldera to create a new operating system
that will itself run on all major types of desktop computers.
Headed by former Novell executive Ransom Love, Caldera's desktop
operating system will list for $89. Better yet, Caldera's products
should not infringe on Microsoft, if Novell's scrutiny of the projects
is correct.
"We had some of the best attorneys in the industry go through
that," says a Caldera source. The as-yet unnamed Caldera desktop
software -- which uses the "public domain" (journalists can't grok the
GPL) Unix software known as Linux as its kernel --= will act as a
standalone computer operating syustem, or as part of the full Novell
Corsair environment.
Go see http://www.caldera.com
--
-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html
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Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
>
> This is why during the subsequent /usr/include war I fired all sorts
> of neutron weapons off and generally did my best to murder everyone in
> sight. Sigh!
> ...
> P.S. I think I'm going to give up coffee for good. It has an entirely
> unpleasant effect on my disposition!
If this isn't testament to the fact that we need a Doom interface for
FreeBSD to take out frustrations ... :-)
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh>
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Subject: SMC 18xx series??
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I've gotten a few requests lately from folks wanting to know if we supported
the new SMC 18xx series controller (I think I have the designation correct!).
I know that we support the 950s and such, but unless these are backwards
compatible (and that I doubt - why bother with compatability? This is PC
hardware we're talking about here! :-) then I don't think we currently
offer it.
Anybody know how hard these are going to be to support? Anyone got one of
these babies?
Thanks!
Jordan
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From: Pedro A M Vazquez <vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br>
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Subject: Re: An apology..
To: mdavis@io.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:30:54 -0300 (EST)
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Morgan Davis said:
>
> If this isn't testament to the fact that we need a Doom interface for
> FreeBSD to take out frustrations ... :-)
>
>
Well, I'll asked IDSofware about the promised FreeBSD doom port, the
answer was: NO, NEVER
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In message <199502240330.AAA02619@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Pedro A M
Vazquez writes:
>Morgan Davis said:
>>
>> If this isn't testament to the fact that we need a Doom interface for
>> FreeBSD to take out frustrations ... :-)
>>
>>
>Well, I'll asked IDSofware about the promised FreeBSD doom port, the
>answer was: NO, NEVER
Why? Especially about NEVER...
--
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ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead -
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RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849
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From: John Hay <jhay@mikom.csir.co.za>
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Subject: ctm_rmail failing again
To: phk@ref.tfs.com
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:17:57 +0200 (SAT)
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Hi,
After the fix of ctm_rmail I get the following error:
1995-02-24 00:29 cannot open 'tmp./usr/CTM/pieces/cvs-cur.0390.gz+1-1' for writing
1995-02-24 06:15 cannot open 'tmp./usr/CTM/pieces/cvs-cur.0391.gz+1-1' for writing
The tmp should be added at the end of the string or after the last '/'. Here
is a fix that will add it at the end.
--
John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za
*** src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_rmail/ctm_rmail.org Thu Feb 23 19:28:38 1995
--- src/usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_rmail/ctm_rmail.c Fri Feb 24 07:25:06 1995
***************
*** 242,248 ****
*s = '_';
mk_piece_name(pname, delta, pce, npieces);
! sprintf(tname,"tmp.%s",pname);
if ((ofp = fopen(tname, "w")) == NULL)
{
err("cannot open '%s' for writing", tname);
--- 242,248 ----
*s = '_';
mk_piece_name(pname, delta, pce, npieces);
! sprintf(tname,"%s.tmp",pname);
if ((ofp = fopen(tname, "w")) == NULL)
{
err("cannot open '%s' for writing", tname);
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Subject: Re: A new UNIX poster?
To: pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (william pechter ILEX)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:16:02 -0400 (AST)
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>
> >
> >
> > With all the talk of a "FreeBSD" Daemon, last night I had the following idea:
> >
> > Remember the great UNIX MAGIC/UNIX NEWS/UNIX FEUDS posters put out by
> > Unitech.
>
> Nice job.
>
> I'd buy this poster in a New York Minute!
>
I'd buy a few, and I know of a few friends that would also like something
like this.
Any artists among us? :)
--
Mike Digdon # Network Operation Centre # Dalhousie University
Phone: +1 902 494-1873 # E-mail: digdon@snoopy.ucis.dal.ca
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To: matt@lkg.dec.com (Matt Thomas)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 05:31:43 -0100 (GMT)
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From: hvt@vie.co.at (anton horvath)
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>
> Standing on top of stone is a dirty stained knight in chain mail
> holding the sword high. On the blade are the words "FreeBSD",
> "NetBSD", and "Linux" repeatedly in a gold braid so no one word is
> more significant than any other.
>
>
> This poster is not just for FreeBSD but all the Free UNIX-like operating
> systems so it is important that NetBSD and LINUX also be represented.
>
A really _wonderfull_ idea, congratulations
anton
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Subject: Re: An apology..
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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> Let me tell you a little about my day yesterday..
>
> So, having no desire to alienate my fellow teammates, I'm big enough
> to say that I'm sorry. I still may feel strongly about some of the
> issues discussed, but it doesn't mean that I have to try and convince
> you all with bamboo splinters under the fingernails.
>
> Peace!
Applause!, if we all had the guts to say I'm sorry once in a
while, the earth would be much better to live on.
> P.S. I think I'm going to give up coffee for good. It has an entirely
> unpleasant effect on my disposition!
Well, If you are an addict like me ( :-) ), be prepared for a
couple of days with solid brain-pain....
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team
So much code to hack -- so little time
..
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Subject: Re: An apology..
To: vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br (Pedro A M Vazquez)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:18:11 +0100 (MET)
Cc: mdavis@io.cts.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com
In-Reply-To: <199502240330.AAA02619@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> from "Pedro A M Vazquez" at Feb 24, 95 00:30:54 am
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> Well, I'll asked IDSofware about the promised FreeBSD doom port, the
> answer was: NO, NEVER
Why ?
Anyway, just run Lites on top of Mach. It runs Linux binaries.
--
Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG
FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #9: Sat Feb 18 19:21:00 MET 1995
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Subject: Re: An apology..
To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert)
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>
> > Well, I'll asked IDSofware about the promised FreeBSD doom port, the
> > answer was: NO, NEVER
>
> Why ?
>
> Anyway, just run Lites on top of Mach. It runs Linux binaries.
Wasn't someone working on running Linux binaries under FreeBSD for
exactly this purpose?
Marc.
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> Wasn't someone working on running Linux binaries under FreeBSD for
> exactly this purpose?
Soren and Sean are working on that.
--
Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG
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Subject: FreeBSD-current syscons bug/feature
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Shouldn't the scrollback on the console only work if there is a valid
login at that particular /dev/ttyv* ? Logout from your console, try the
scrollback, and think for a sec... Among other wierdness in syscons...
Jim
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The scrollback in syscons seems to trash my screen sometimes.
Jim
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think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or
radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner"
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I am having a problem compiling ELM in the 950210 SNAP version.
Everything goes good with the Configuration and all, but when I make
install, I get a message 'Makefile: line 92 need an operator"? Any
suggestions?
}Dan
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon?
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:22:34 -0700
From: Scott Bolte <scott@craycos.com>
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How about an Art Deco style? The `Modern Man' images of the
1920's. The tall, serious, chisel-faced fellow in the trench
coat striding into the modern world. Everything is chrome and
polish, and all machines are clean and powerful.
But to put the FreeBSD spin on it, replace the guy with a short
daemon. Leave him in the trench coat, with his tail sticking
out between a fold. (Maybe shades of Sam Spade or your classic
Private Investigator.) Instead of a gleaming metropolis, how
about towers of PC's? Just an image of a determined little guy
taking on the corporate giants. Leading to a computing
Utopia.
Mottos: Cheer for the Little Guy
or A Modern OS, for the Modern Man
or A Modern OS, for the Modern Woman
or Never Mind the Odds, Take on the World
or, drum roll please.... Leader of the Free World
Scott
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To: mdavis@io.cts.com, vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br, ache@astral.msk.su
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|> >Morgan Davis said:
|> >>
|> >> If this isn't testament to the fact that we need a Doom interface for
|> >> FreeBSD to take out frustrations ... :-)
|> >>
|> >>
|> >Well, I'll asked IDSofware about the promised FreeBSD doom port, the
|> >answer was: NO, NEVER
|>
|> Why? Especially about NEVER...
Perhaps they were talking about an -official- port. I know that the
Sun port was an unofficial collaboration between one of the Id engineers
and a couple of Sun engineers; so perhaps something similar can be
done for FreeBSD.
(BTW, the Sun port has two flavors - standard MIT X11 SHM [shared memory
extension] and Sun DGA [Direct Graphic Access]. The DGA version on an
SS20 is the fastest Doom implementation in existance. Even faster than
the SGI version. Since Doom regulates the playing speed against a real-
time clock, this translates into a full 30 frames per second, even in
four player networked nightmare deathmatch scenarios in complex settings.
And you still have some CPU left over for that job running in the other
window. You know, the one you are getting paid for...)
-Pat
My opinions are my own. For a small royalty, they can be yours as well...
Pat Lashley, Senior Software Engineer, Henry Davis Consulting
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 24 09:57:57 1995
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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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Well, one of the most current PC games is Descent.
I swear after playing the game for a couple of hours
you will walk away dizzy...
Basically, is a shoot-em up 3D game which you can move around
in 3D --- look up, down, left, right, etc...
The sound on my GUS is fantastic !
Now, if someone could contact Interplay and convince them do
a port to FreeBSD :)
Amancio
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From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner)
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:40:20 -0600 (CST)
Cc: vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br, mdavis@io.cts.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com,
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>
> > Well, I'll asked IDSofware about the promised FreeBSD doom port, the
> > answer was: NO, NEVER
>
> Why ?
>
> Anyway, just run Lites on top of Mach. It runs Linux binaries.
> --
> Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG
> FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #9: Sat Feb 18 19:21:00 MET 1995
>
Is Lites officially out now???
Boyd
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 24 12:07:13 1995
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To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 21:03:17 +0100 (MET)
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> Is Lites officially out now???
Not yet. Release 1.0 is supposed to be out RSN.
> Boyd
>
> --
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
Remy
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From: richard@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 14:51:56 GMT
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I've only recently joined this mailing list, so perhaps this has been
discussed before.
It seems to me that a serious failing of FreeBSD is its inability to
execute all NetBSD binaries, and vice versa. It seems remarkable that
we can execute system V binaries but not other BSD ones!
The problem of course is shared libraries. As far as I know, at the
system call level the systems are almost completely compatible (and if
they aren't, they should be). But there's nothing official to
distinguish whether a program uses FreeBSD or NetBSD shared libraries.
What we need is:
- agreement with the NetBSD people on some way for ld.so to
distinguish between binaries. I don't think this needs a change to
the a.out format; maybe the version argument passed from crt0
to ld.so could be used.
- an ld.so that can be mapped in by both systems' crt0s (at present
it appears that FreeBSD's crt0 will map NetBSD's ld.so, but NetBSD's
crt0 reports "Bad magic" for FreeBSD's ld.so.
- an ld.so that will map in libraries from a different directory if
it detects that it's running on the "wrong" system.
I suspect that in fact it is already possible to devise a hack for
ld.so to tell which system a binary was linked on, perhaps by
inspecting the crt0 code, and that this would let us run existing
NetBSD binaries.
Can someone who understands the shared library mechanism better
comment on this?
-- Richard
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From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner)
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:05:39 -0600 (CST)
Cc: faulkner@devnull.mpd.tandem.com, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr,
vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br, mdavis@io.cts.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com,
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>
> > Is Lites officially out now???
>
> Not yet. Release 1.0 is supposed to be out RSN.
>
> > Boyd
> >
> Remy
>
I have a note from Johannes saying by Christmas '94. Maybe by Easter.
Boyd
No, really, I'm not complaining. If he gets it out in '95, he comes in before
a lot of deadline slips I've seen in the past.
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 24 13:22:00 1995
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To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner)
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> >
> > Not yet. Release 1.0 is supposed to be out RSN.
> >
> > Remy
> I have a note from Johannes saying by Christmas '94. Maybe by Easter.
Well, I have a note from Johannes saying that Lites 1.0 will be out
on 95/02/26 (next sunday :-). I am not 100% sure that this will happen so
quickly but the current test version runs well on my machine, so I suppose
that Lites 1.0 will *really* be released soon :-)
> Boyd
>
> No, really, I'm not complaining. If he gets it out in '95, he comes in before
> a lot of deadline slips I've seen in the past.
Btw, Lites will be released before Hurd :-)
> --
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com
> _______________________________________________________________________
Remy
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:45:04 -0700 (MST)
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> Is Lites officially out now???
Yes. It was released a few days ago...
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:10:06 -0700 (MST)
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> > Is Lites officially out now???
>
> Not yet. Release 1.0 is supposed to be out RSN.
Will there *be* a 1.0?
-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 04:33:26 +0200
-From: Johannes Helander <jvh@cs.hut.fi>
-To: lites@cs.hut.fi
-Subject: Lites 0.8 available
-Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS Lab.
-
-There is a new Lites snapshot available
-
-leia.cs.hut.fi:foggy/qwerty/Lites-0.8.950223.tar.gz
-
-It fixes various bugs and inconveniences. There is a new
-(read only) Minix File System from Csizmazia Balazs.
-
-There are i386 STD+WS binaries in the bin/ subdirectory.
-
-This is supposed to be pretty much final. I will do some more testing
-and hope others will too. Thanks,
-
- Johannes
...especially in light of the parting comment from jvh?
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In-Reply-To: <9502241953.AA12573@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Feb 24, 95 02:53:23 pm
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In reply:
> From wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu Fri Feb 24 13:53:34 1995
> Subject: FreeBSD-current syscons bug/feature
>
> <<On Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:33:54 -0600 (CST), Jim Bryant <jbryant@server.iadfw.net> said:
>
> > Shouldn't the scrollback on the console only work if there is a valid
> > login at that particular /dev/ttyv* ? Logout from your console, try the
> > scrollback, and think for a sec... Among other wierdness in syscons...
>
> I don't think so. Oft as not, what I want to see when I use
> scrollback on my console is some syslog message or kernel printf that
> just scrolled off the screen...
>
> -GAWollman
Use a logging console for that stuff, or add a seperate buffer. I'm
thinking of the security aspects being able to casually walk up to the
console and view portions of the previous login.
If it is not possible to hack in the near future, I would suggest making
it a config option.
Jim
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Feb 95 14:51:56 GMT."
<20708.9502241451@macbeth.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:04:29 -0800
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> The problem of course is shared libraries. As far as I know, at the
> system call level the systems are almost completely compatible (and if
> they aren't, they should be). But there's nothing official to
> distinguish whether a program uses FreeBSD or NetBSD shared libraries.
I spent a little time talking about this with Mike Karels (BSDI) and
Chris Demetriou (NetBSD).
The conclusion was that shared library compatability was a false grail
and should not be pursued. It's hard, it's easily broken (meaning you
get stuck in this thankless loop of fixing it over and over again as
the libraries themselvse change) and in the case of BSDI, a rather
difficult target to hit anyway (they will have an entirely different
shared lib strategy).
I know it would be useful and make the users happy, but neither I nor
anybody else I know is willing to sign up for the work involved so it's
just better to assume it isn't going to happen.
Jordan
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From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly)
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>>>>> "Don" == Don Yuniskis <dgy@seagull.rtd.com> writes:
>> Is Lites officially out now???
Don> Yes. It was released a few days ago...
Okay ... what the poop is Lites anyway?
--k
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From: Mark Tinguely <tinguely@plains.nodak.edu>
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in case anyone is waiting for/working on getting the MROUTING/mrouted
to work, I learned the reason the multicast is not forwarding is due to
the fact the multicast groups are not being formed.
X_ip_mforward in the kernel does a raw_input() to talk to the mrouted which is
suppose to request the kernel to add the group (I think this is strange, but
then again I don't know all the reasons it works this way). anyway the
raw_input() request is not making it's way back to mrouted.
most likely I won't work on this again until monday and if someone digs around
in there before then, I would appreciate anything you learn.
--mark.
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 00:51:03 +0100
From: Julian Howard Stacey <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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> Ditch the daemon thing.
Mark is unfortunately right :-(
The Daemon is an embarrasment on CD covers,
any `professional' image one may ascribe to FreeBSD when talking to companies,
by carefuly holding all sequential releases adjacent, & enthusing about
regular `professional' release cycle ... is tarnished by the toy-town Daemon.
Sorry Daemon, I like you, but I'm not sure the folk who _Hire_ programmers do,
it seems a shame to damage the chances of importing FreeBSD from home to work.
Perhaps if we moved the Daemon off CD covers (on to coffee mugs ?) ....
PPS the `profesional' image projection also isn't helped by the false Jan. 94
stamp on the 2.0 CD (though perhaps I got a pre-release).
---
Julian S
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Subject: Re: FYI -- Linux and Corsair are back.
To: pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (william pechter ILEX)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 02:25:36 +0100 (MET)
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In-Reply-To: <199502232240.OAA00267@wcarchive.cdrom.com> from "william pechter ILEX" at Feb 23, 95 02:09:42 pm
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Hello.
Quoting from william pechter ILEX (Thu Feb 23 20:09:23 1995):
> that," says a Caldera source. The as-yet unnamed Caldera desktop
> software -- which uses the "public domain" (journalists can't grok the
> GPL) Unix software known as Linux as its kernel --= will act as a
...
> Boy... I wonder what would've happened if this was based on FreeBSD.
O piteous spectacle!
O noble FreeBSD!
O woeful day!
O traitors, villains!
O most bloody sight!
We will be revenged: Revenge! About! Seek! Burn! Fire! Kill! Slay!
Let not a traitor live!
(W. Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar", Act III, Scene II, 126 ss.)
Bye,
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 24 19:22:09 1995
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From: Terry Lee <terryl@CS.Stanford.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Binary compatibility with NetBSD
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> > The problem of course is shared libraries. As far as I know, at the
> > system call level the systems are almost completely compatible (and if
> > they aren't, they should be). But there's nothing official to
> > distinguish whether a program uses FreeBSD or NetBSD shared libraries.
>
> I spent a little time talking about this with Mike Karels (BSDI) and
> Chris Demetriou (NetBSD).
>
> The conclusion was that shared library compatability was a false grail
> and should not be pursued. It's hard, it's easily broken (meaning you
> get stuck in this thankless loop of fixing it over and over again as
> the libraries themselvse change) and in the case of BSDI, a rather
> difficult target to hit anyway (they will have an entirely different
> shared lib strategy).
>
> I know it would be useful and make the users happy, but neither I nor
> anybody else I know is willing to sign up for the work involved so it's
> just better to assume it isn't going to happen.
Huh? I'm sorry, but I guess I'm missing something here. I thought that
is was a high priority to keep NetBSD and FreeBSD and BSDI as binary
compatible as possible. Does this mean that future apps that use the
shared libraries will not be binary compatible? If so, what percentage
of apps use the shared libraries?
Terry
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 24 20:56:35 1995
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Feb 95 19:21:20 PST."
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 20:56:33 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
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> Huh? I'm sorry, but I guess I'm missing something here. I thought that
> is was a high priority to keep NetBSD and FreeBSD and BSDI as binary
> compatible as possible. Does this mean that future apps that use the
*static* binary compatible, yes. If you want something to run on all
the *BSDs, link it static. Otherwise all bets are off.
In other words, compatility will have to take some conscious effort -
it won't come purely for free.
Jordan
From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 24 22:56:16 1995
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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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>In other words, compatility will have to take some conscious effort -
>it won't come purely for free.
Perhaps a big consciouness leap can do the trick, if the 3 camps got
together and decided to smoke out of the same Indian Pipe.
Is amusing that we can share so much out of the OS and the apps but
oops when it comes to share libs all bets are off.
Amancio
From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 25 00:24:41 1995
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Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon
To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:21:56 +0100 (MET)
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As Julian Howard Stacey wrote:
>
> > Ditch the daemon thing.
> Mark is unfortunately right :-(
I don't agree here. We're going to make this for fun, and if other
people can't see that it's fun _and_ it works!, they should go
wherever they like.
If i wanna have dictated software envelopment, yes, from 0900 to
1800, i do have...
--
cheers, J"org
joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)
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To: jkh@FreeBSD.org
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Subject: Please help with 1.1.5.1...
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:21:42 +0200
From: Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
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Jordan (and the rest of the team):
Hi
Some time ago I saw either a usenet posting or a message on one of ther
FreeBSD lists that described Freefall's configuration. (I recall something
about a Pentium CPU, 96MB of RAM, 30 GB of SCSI disk and do on) (or was it
WCArchive?)
Anyway, at the time, the machine was running 1.1.5.1 with some stability
patches. I showed this to my colleagues at work, and they were _impressed_.
Some time later, (now), I have been asked to to get a news server running
A.S.A.P., and it is agreed that 1.1.5.1 is the way to go. (2.0 has too
many bugs, and they are too keen to get going to wait for 2.1 no matter
how I try to sell it. They/we will not run -current)
Now: Those "stability patches" that were mentioned. May I have a copy please?
Also, any pointers to getting this configuration as stable as possible
as a company's news/name/anything server.
The machine is a 486DX2/66 32MB with an Adaptec 1542c (I know about the need
for bounce buffers), and it will start out life with 3GB of disk, split as
1GB/2GB. Apart from that, the motherboard is known to be good, and the disks
are from HP and DEC, so I don't think we will have any hassles there..
Thanks!
M
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From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi)
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>> Hi I love your daemon pictures except :
>>
>> 1) Why is it look a bit blur or fuzzy ? Is there a way that you can import
>> the original daemon into it and make the final picture looks sharper
>> with clearer daemon ? That will be MORE impressive.
>>
>> 2) Can you make one set without the Mailing List text ? ie, only
>> BSD-Nomad ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
Another ones :-) (I'm so tired....).
http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
(600x600 8bit GIF)
http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.tif
(600x600 24bit TIFF)
I can also draw the "Giant step". If you want it, I'll draw it on
next week.
--
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From: Ernie Elu <ernie@tinny.eis.net.au>
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>Is amusing that we can share so much out of the OS and the apps but
>oops when it comes to share libs all bets are off.
>
> Amancio
I am a bit new to all this. What uinx like systems have shared library
compatibility between them? I would have though static linked binaries would
have been enough. Can someone fill me in on some sucessful examples of this?
I am running Netscape that runs on several BSD system so I am told. How does
it do that? I presume staic linking is all that they did.
- Ernie.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Elu Information Systems - ernie@tinny.eis.net.au Brisbane - Australia
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From: Luigi Rizzo <luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>
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Subject: A suggestion on ports/ layout
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I recently had to grab the ports distribution for FreeBSD. With
the current strategy of separating the original distribution and
the FreeBSD diffs, and the fact that most ftp sites support tar
and gzip, I thought it was ok to move to the the parent directory
of ports and do
get ports.tar.gz
EXCEPT that this also includes "ports/distfiles", which is huge.
Could we move it somewhere else ? This way, grabbing a ports
distribution would become very fast.
Luigi
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>*static* binary compatible, yes. If you want something to run on all
>the *BSDs, link it static. Otherwise all bets are off.
All bets are off anyway. The runtime combination of a foreign application
and foreign shared libries is not very different from the same foreign
application linked statically. Foreign syscalls, foreign ioctls, foreign
database, ... won't work in either case.
Bruce
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From: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
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"Another daemon GIF" (Feb 25, 7:52pm)
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> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
> (600x600 8bit GIF)
> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.tif
> (600x600 24bit TIFF)
>
> I can also draw the "Giant step". If you want it, I'll draw it on
> next week.
Please, I think the 'Giant step' version would be the best one, but
obviously that's my opinion.
Nate
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In message <199502251546.IAA11337@trout.sri.MT.net> Nate Williams
writes:
>Please, I think the 'Giant step' version would be the best one, but
>obviously that's my opinion.
Just an idea: demon with syringe and title "FreeBSD better than LSD"
--
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From: Don Yuniskis <dgy@seagull.rtd.com>
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:38:26 -0700 (MST)
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> >> Is Lites officially out now???
> Don> Yes. It was released a few days ago...
>
> Okay ... what the poop is Lites anyway?
First, I think my original statement (above) may be in error...
I think rev 0.8 is available and 1.0 is due in a matter of hours.
I've also heard from jvh that a 1.1 will follow at some point.
Apologies to all... :-(
OK, as for "what it is"... LITES is a BSD4.4 lites derived
single server running atop the Mach microkernel. I believe
LITES is unencumbered. Mach3 is a freely redistributable
microkernel originally developed at CMU. Work is now continuing
at Utah and OSF/RI. Another group at CMU continues to work on
real-time extensions to Mach3.
OSF/1 from OSF uses a modified earlier version (~2.5) of the
Mach kernel to implement a BSD4.3 (?) single server. DEC uses
OSF/1 on their Alphas (and others?). I think IBM's OS/2 port
to one of the RISC machines is Mach based, also. The HURD is
expected to ride atop Mach4 (from Utah). CMU has also produced
BSDSS, Mach-UX (a 4.3 single server for Mach3), and Mach-US (ditto
except a *multi*-server configuration). Each of these are
encumbered to some extent with BSD licensing.
The structure of the microkernel allows multiple OS personalities
to actively coexist as independant servers riding atop the same
microkernel. And, since Mach is a message passing kernel, it seems
like an obvious choice for a multiprocessor OS implementation.
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To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
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Subject: Re: Binary compatibility with NetBSD
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:10:13 -0800
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> >In other words, compatility will have to take some conscious effort -
> >it won't come purely for free.
>
> Perhaps a big consciouness leap can do the trick, if the 3 camps got
> together and decided to smoke out of the same Indian Pipe.
Thanks, Amancio - I needed a good laugh today! :-)
Jordan
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Subject: Re: Binary compatibility with NetBSD
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:23:33 -0800
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> I am a bit new to all this. What uinx like systems have shared library
> compatibility between them? I would have though static linked binaries would
> have been enough. Can someone fill me in on some sucessful examples of this?
I don't think there are currently any!
> I am running Netscape that runs on several BSD system so I am told. How does
> it do that? I presume staic linking is all that they did.
It was indeed.
Jordan
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Subject: Re: Binary compatibility with NetBSD
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<199502251427.BAA23726@godzilla.zeta.org.au>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:28:42 -0800
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> All bets are off anyway. The runtime combination of a foreign application
> and foreign shared libries is not very different from the same foreign
> application linked statically. Foreign syscalls, foreign ioctls, foreign
> database, ... won't work in either case.
Well, compatability on these levels is something we should still be
striving for. Compatible syscalls (or specialized tables loaded in when
NetBSD/BSDI binaries are run), ioctls, etc.
Becoming incompatible with BSDI would be a serious mistake. I'm not
all that worried about being compatible with NetBSD (it's a goal, just
a much lower priority one) since they don't really have many (or any)
applications we're interested in running. The same is most definitely
not true of BSDI. I don't know what I'd do without my netscape! :-)
Jordan
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From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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I'm always stumbling over /usr/local/man/man3 or /usr/local/etc not being
there when running make in certain ports.
What about an addition to the install process that creates these
directories by default?
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: Tom Samplonius <tom@haven.uniserve.com>
To: Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
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Subject: Re: Please help with 1.1.5.1...
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On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Mark Murray wrote:
> Some time later, (now), I have been asked to to get a news server running
> A.S.A.P., and it is agreed that 1.1.5.1 is the way to go. (2.0 has too
> many bugs, and they are too keen to get going to wait for 2.1 no matter
> how I try to sell it. They/we will not run -current)
You'll find that if you just use a machine for news (INN), it will work
quite well with 2.0R. I've got a 2.0R machine running news that I've
never had a problem with. Just don't try to use it as a FTP server....
As for 1.1.5.1 "stability patches"...these may refer to the patches on
ref.tfs.com, but I don't think any of these would particular affect a
news machine....
Tom
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Subject: Re: Another daemon GIF
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> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
> > (600x600 8bit GIF)
> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.tif
> > (600x600 24bit TIFF)
> >
> > I can also draw the "Giant step". If you want it, I'll draw it on
> > next week.
>
> Please, I think the 'Giant step' version would be the best one, but
> obviously that's my opinion.
Well, I'd certainly also be quite impressed to see a "Giant Step"
picture done with as much quality as this one, with him shattering the
Windows icon (which I think is pretty amazingly well done - bravo!)
Though I also have to say that I'd have had no idea that this was what
he was doing if we hadn't already talked about it! :)
Jordan
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I'm finishing a driver for the DEC DEFPA [PCI] and DEFEA [EISA] FDDI
Controllers for FreeBSD.
Though at the moment I'm stumped by a problem. Except for the probe
and attach routines, the driver runs the exact code for either device.
Should I use two separate device names as in:
device fea0 at isa? bio irq ? vector fea_intr
device fpa0
or should I use one device name to refer to both?
device pdq0 at isa? bio irq ? vector fea_intr
device pdq1
If the latter, how do I get the PCI code to start at unit 1? Can I set
the pdq_count variable to a non-zero value [Hmmm. I should try that]?
If the former, how do I distinguish between fea unit 0 and fpa unit 0
in the same driver? Do I really need separate init and reset routines
(which would common routines)?
Is config smart enough to understand that a source file could be
used by two difference devices?
Would separte device names be preferred by users or would a single one
be best?
Any ideas or feedback will be greatly appreciated,
Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com
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> Is config smart enough to understand that a source file could be
> used by two difference devices?
yes. look for "isa/pcic.c"
--
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It isn't at all clear to me why you would want to copy out the scsi_link
structure for the kdc_externalize entry. Is this a dramatization of
what can be done, or is this done for a reason? I'm looking at cleaning
this devconf stuff up.
Peter
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Subject: A couple of points about ports
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A lot of ports under 2.X suffer from a different definition of "sys_errlist"
Most of the times the patches symply remove the offending line in the
source. Is there any better way ? In stdio.h, there are a couple of
macros, ANSI_SOURCE and POSIX_SOURCE if I remember well, which might
solve the problem. Which one is better for this purpose ?
Second: some ports (one example is freeWAIS, another cern_httpd) do not
compile with bmake, they require gmake. Unfortunately, make is called
recursively and the top level make requires bmake... again, is there a
way to solve this without patching the makefiles ? Such as putting an
option in the toplevel makefile to specify that gmake should be used
for recursive calls...
Luigi
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In the case of a "make install" with a $DESTDIR set, shall /etc be installed ?
(/etc/passwd and that kind of things)
Argument for:
You can make a chroot sandbox in one easy op
Argument agains:
We shall never clobber any /etc unless asked to do so.
votes ?
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Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@login.dknet.dk>
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Subject: Re: Another daemon GIF
To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:15:43 +0100 (MET)
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In-Reply-To: <199502251052.TAA05421@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at Feb 25, 95 07:52:41 pm
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> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
> (600x600 8bit GIF)
Wow ! Its great !! Saved now of course...
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Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG
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Subject: Re: /usr/local/etc and all that
To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:31:20 -0800 (PST)
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>
> I'm always stumbling over /usr/local/man/man3 or /usr/local/etc not being
> there when running make in certain ports.
>
> What about an addition to the install process that creates these
> directories by default?
It was decided long ago that /usr/local *must* ship with the release as
an empty directory. We do provide an mtree file for creating the most
common empty directoires in /usr/local.
I suggest your run this:
cd /usr/src
make MAKE_LOCAL=TRUE hierarchy
It will create the empty directories with proper permisions in /usr/local.
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>A lot of ports under 2.X suffer from a different definition of "sys_errlist"
>Most of the times the patches symply remove the offending line in the
>source. Is there any better way ? In stdio.h, there are a couple of
The correct way is to remove all declarations and explicit use of
sys_errlist and sys_nerr and use strerror(). This is a worse way
if you want a quick and dirty port.
>macros, ANSI_SOURCE and POSIX_SOURCE if I remember well, which might
>solve the problem. Which one is better for this purpose ?
_POSIX_SOURCE is better because ANSI features are a subset of POSIX
features and most programs require POSIX features and BSD extensions.
Using either is bogus because incorrectly declaring features and
extensions doesn't change them.
Bruce
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> > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
> > (600x600 8bit GIF)
>
> Wow ! Its great !! Saved now of course...
Could some kind soul please put these up for FTP on a well-connected
site? Japan is not reachable from all sites in South Africa.
(It is a bloody conspiracy!)
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> In the case of a "make install" with a $DESTDIR set, shall /etc be installed ?
> (/etc/passwd and that kind of things)
>
> Argument for:
> You can make a chroot sandbox in one easy op
> Argument agains:
> We shall never clobber any /etc unless asked to do so.
>
> votes ?
Against, I would rather be safe than sorry.
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From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 25 12:27:31 1995
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> > > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
> > > (600x600 8bit GIF)
> >
> > Wow ! Its great !! Saved now of course...
Loved it !
Now Simple question: how are these GIFs being created?
Thanks a Lot!!!
Amancio
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> > >> Is Lites officially out now???
> > Don> Yes. It was released a few days ago...
> >
> > Okay ... what the poop is Lites anyway?
> First, I think my original statement (above) may be in error...
> I think rev 0.8 is available and 1.0 is due in a matter of hours.
> I've also heard from jvh that a 1.1 will follow at some point.
> Apologies to all... :-(
I have a simple question: how do you build Lites with FreeBSD?
Do I need to get a mach kernel source tree and if so where
is the best place to get one ?
Amancio
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Subject: Re: Binary compatibility with NetBSD
To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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> > I am a bit new to all this. What uinx like systems have shared library
> > compatibility between them? I would have though static linked binaries would
> > have been enough. Can someone fill me in on some sucessful examples of this?
>
> I don't think there are currently any!
SCO. Dell. SVR3. SVR4 in backward compatability mode. x86 Solaris.
Microport. Interactive. Cubix. Intel. Altos. Unisys. UnixWare.
Basically any IBCS2 compliant UNIX, since they follow the standard, and
the standard mandates shared library compatability if chared libraries
are supported.
And this is just Intel UNIX. There's also DGUX, Sanyo/ICON, Motorolla,
Gould, and any other member of 88Open that uses Motorolla 88k processers.
There Arete and NCR and Unisys and Motorolla for 680x0 (x = {2,3}).
To those of you who are about to argue that Unisys and NCR are the
same machines, you have apparently never tried to write a tape driver.
To those of you who would claim Unisys' licence of SVR4 to be vanilla,
you have apparently never tried to write a multithreaded file system.
To not maintain binary compatability *including* shared images would
be folly.
People keep saying that "Linux is just as fragmented as BSD" when BSD
is attacked for two distributions (for the free variety). But I have
never heard of a binary compatability problem between say Slackware
and Yggdrasil.
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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I have a patch here on my machine from Nate to sync us to NetBSD shlibs.
This will be committed, if it works.
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: hasty@netcom.com
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 15:03:21 -0700 (MST)
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> I have a simple question: how do you build Lites with FreeBSD?
Sorry, I haven't taken a serious look into the LITES server, yet
(I'm waiting for all the dust to settle)
> Do I need to get a mach kernel source tree and if so where
> is the best place to get one ?
I don't know if the LITES distribution includes the (micro)kernel
sources; I suspect it doesn't but, rather, includes any applicable
patches to the mk sources. I believe LITES will run on the
RT-Mach (mk83i), CMU Mach (MK83A) and Utah Flexmach (Mach4?)
microkernels. I'd avoid the RT-Mach microkernel as it's doubtful
you'd need the rt enhancements/complications. MK83A can be
anon ftp from mach.cs.cmu.edu. Don't know the status/stability
of the Mach4 stuff, sorry.
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Subject: Re: Lites and Doom
To: hasty@netcom.com
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:24:42 -0600 (CST)
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>
> > > >> Is Lites officially out now???
> > > Don> Yes. It was released a few days ago...
> > >
> > > Okay ... what the poop is Lites anyway?
>
> > First, I think my original statement (above) may be in error...
> > I think rev 0.8 is available and 1.0 is due in a matter of hours.
> > I've also heard from jvh that a 1.1 will follow at some point.
> > Apologies to all... :-(
>
> I have a simple question: how do you build Lites with FreeBSD?
>
> Do I need to get a mach kernel source tree and if so where
> is the best place to get one ?
>
> Amancio
>
jaguar.cs.utah.edu:/flexmach
I'd like the answer to that first question myself.
Boyd
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In message <199502251803.TAA23898@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
Christoph P. K. writes:
>I'm always stumbling over /usr/local/man/man3 or /usr/local/etc not being
>there when running make in certain ports.
>What about an addition to the install process that creates these
>directories by default?
They already created by mtree, check BSD.local.dist
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From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" <aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Excerpts from internet.computing.freebsd-hackers: 25-Feb-95 Re: Another
daemon GIF by "Jordan K. Hubbard"@free
> Though I also have to say that I'd have had no idea that this was what
> he was doing if we hadn't already talked about it! :)
Well, I'll say that I had never knew what it was about till I saw it.
I might be a bad example though, since I work on and off for Microsoft,
and thus see that stupid Windows Logo often enough to be glad to
see it get destroyed :)
alex
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From: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
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"Re: Binary compatibility with NetBSD" (Feb 25, 1:36pm)
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> I have a patch here on my machine from Nate to sync us to NetBSD shlibs.
Sort of. This syncs us up so we're using the same ld/ld.so and friends.
However, our libraries are different from theirs, so even though the
libraries are 'binary compatible' the code inside the libraries are not.
Nate
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Subject: Re: Another daemon GIF
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> Could some kind soul please put these up for FTP on a well-connected
> site? Japan is not reachable from all sites in South Africa.
ftp://wcarchive.cdrom.com/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/daemon1.gif
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From: Wankle Rotary Engine <wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu>
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>From /sys/netinet/if_ether.c:
>int
>arpioctl(cmd, data)
> int cmd;
> caddr_t data;
>{
> return (EOPNOTSUPP);
>}
Hunh? Is this for real? Are SIOCGARP, SIOCSARP and SIOCDARP really
deprecated in 4.4BSD? Say it ain't so!
-Bill
PS: Yes, I know there are other ways to fiddle with the arp tables but
I thought this was the 'canonical' method. Guess I was wrong.
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Hi Folks;
Friday afternoon at 455 pm ( what a perfect time for
system administration ) one of my co workers remembered that the freebsd
box that i had set up as a demo for them had the capability to do ppp and
slip.
He asked me to look into it. So I perused the PPP and slip doc and came
up short in the answer dept. He asked if we could use it to allocate ip's
from a collection of 8 or so that are loose on our subnet. I assume this
what is called dynamic PPP? Is the allocation from an existing net even
possible? One of the products they demo'd ( a terminal server of some
kind ) had to have it's own subnet. Is this intrinsic to this kind of
thing or was that just a problem with their product?
The PPP.doc in /usr/share/FAQ only seemed to discuss how to do
this as a one fixed address to another fixed address.
Also, is this the circumstances in which the machine needs to be
configured as a router or gateway?
If doing the dynamic PPP server thing is being done by folks out
there in FreeBSD land, I would like to hear from them and how they went
about it.
Btw it does not need to be PPP, I had heard that PPP was simpler
and faster, so that is the only reason why i am asking about PPP as
opposed to slip.
I am the only individual who will be visiting it with a FreeBSD
box there will be one linux and to trumpet winsock boxes as well. Does
this add any complication?
thanks again folks!
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From: obiwan!bob@uudell.us.dell.com (Bob Willcox)
Subject: XFree86 3.1.1 for FreeBSD 1.1.5.1??
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Is there a binary of XFree86 3.1.1 for FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 available somewhere?
I've been trying to build it on my 1.1.5.1 system but keep running into
defective Makefiles (they are not being built properly). I'd really rather
just copy an existing binary from somewhere, though.
Thanks,
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Subject: Re: Say what...?
To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Wankle Rotary Engine)
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Wankle Rotary Engine writes:
>
> >From /sys/netinet/if_ether.c:
>
> >int
> >arpioctl(cmd, data)
> > int cmd;
> > caddr_t data;
> >{
> > return (EOPNOTSUPP);
> >}
>
> Hunh? Is this for real? Are SIOCGARP, SIOCSARP and SIOCDARP really
> deprecated in 4.4BSD? Say it ain't so!
yeah. check out /usr/src/usr.sbin/arp/arp.c
> -Bill
>
> PS: Yes, I know there are other ways to fiddle with the arp tables but
> I thought this was the 'canonical' method. Guess I was wrong.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager
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>
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Subject: Re: A couple of points about ports
To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 02:08:55 +0100 (MET)
In-Reply-To: <199502251848.TAA04037@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Feb 25, 95 07:48:10 pm
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As Luigi Rizzo wrote:
>
> Second: some ports (one example is freeWAIS, another cern_httpd) do not
> compile with bmake, they require gmake. Unfortunately, make is called
> recursively and the top level make requires bmake...
Perhaps
make MAKE=gmake
will work (where ``make'' is expected to be bmake)?
--
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From: John Beukema <jbeukema@hk.super.net>
To: Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu>
Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>, ernie@tinny.eis.net.au,
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On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Terry Lambert wrote:
>
> To not maintain binary compatability *including* shared images would
> be folly.
>
Bravo! I agree completely. We do not need one more fragmented,
incompatible flavour.
jbeukema
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From: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
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> On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Terry Lambert wrote:
> >
> > To not maintain binary compatability *including* shared images would
> > be folly.
> >
>
> Bravo! I agree completely. We do not need one more fragmented,
> incompatible flavour.
I'm certain that Jordan would be willing to let you do all the work
required to keep the differnt OS's libraries in sync with the FreeBSD
versions. I suspect it would only amount to 4-6 hours/day on the avg.
guaranteeing there are no inconsitancies and making sure the changes
made don't break anything.
Those who 'agree' must also be willing to put in the time necessary to
make those agreements happen.
Nate
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From: "Alok K. Dhir" <adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu>
To: HOSOKAWA Tatsumi <hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp>
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Subject: Re: Another daemon GIF
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On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, HOSOKAWA Tatsumi wrote:
> >> Hi I love your daemon pictures except :
> >>
> >> 1) Why is it look a bit blur or fuzzy ? Is there a way that you can import
> >> the original daemon into it and make the final picture looks sharper
> >> with clearer daemon ? That will be MORE impressive.
> >>
> >> 2) Can you make one set without the Mailing List text ? ie, only
> >> BSD-Nomad ?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
>
> Another ones :-) (I'm so tired....).
>
> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.gif
> (600x600 8bit GIF)
> http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/daemon1.tif
> (600x600 24bit TIFF)
Very nice! This is impressive work - this would look good on a poster
:-)... Any chance of that, Jordan? I'd pay for it...
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