From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 00:16:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02931 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:16:26 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02924 for hackers; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:16:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:16:25 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506110716.AAA02924@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: lcc copyright (was Re: Slight flame from Linux use) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It is clearly the intent of the authors that we be allowed to use and redistribute lcc. I say this because they told me so: From: cwf@research.att.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 22:30 EDT To: hsu@csua.berkeley.edu Cc: drh@CS.Princeton.EDU Dave and I also want to improve lcc's distribution. For this reason, we included in its copyright file the text: "You may, however, redistribute the lcc (the word 'distribution' was inadvertently omitted here) in whole or in part provided you acknowledge the source and include this COPYRIGHT file." I'm guessing that you can incorporate lcc into your package under these guidelines. I hope that you agree, because the lcc copyright involves more parties than just Dave and I, so we can't change it unilaterally. Chris Fraser From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 00:24:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03124 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:24:55 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA03118 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:24:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@XFree86.ORG Subject: XFree86 locking up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I've been experiencing a problem with the FreeBSD 2.0-Alpha distribution of XFree86. I am currently up to the lastest FreeBSD -current along with a new kernel but for some reason, when I use startx, the whole machine will lock up after a short period of time. I am using a ASUS P54TP4 P5-90 motherboard based on the Intel Triton chipset with the Diamond SpeedStar Plus Hi-Color 16-bit Video Card. Does anyone have any suggestions what I can do to find out if it is the video card causing the problem since I've already pulled out all other cards and under Microsoft windows, it locks up occasionally after I switch the drivers but if I was using the TurboWindows drivers, it would lock up immediately. This setup has worked fine when I was using other motherboards and also I noticed that in XFree86, I can't hit alt-Fn anymore to resize, move, or go between windows, does anyone know what happened to this feature since it's part of fvwm. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 00:33:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03360 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:33:39 -0700 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (bakul@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA03354 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:33:37 -0700 Received: from localhost by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA14228; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:32:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199506110732.AAA14228@netcom13.netcom.com> To: Bruce Evans cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slight flame from Linux user In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jun 95 15:07:27 +1000." <199506110507.PAA30145@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 00:32:26 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'll shut up about this topic after this message. > My compiler is much smaller, compiles much faster, and generates only slightly > worse code -- but I won't touch it :-). I will, if I can have a copy of your compiler :-) > I ran a stupid benchmark: ... > [z.c is essentially 32768 lines `i=1;' where `i' is auto int. rcc is > the main stage of lcc. It must be doing something strange for the > user+sys times not to add up to nearly the real time and bad buffering > for the system time to be so large.] Yeah, there are a number of places where lcc can be tuned. But note that on realistic examples it does much better. time $(CC) -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o cproto cproto.c lintlibs.c semantic.c strkey.c strstr.c symbol.c y.tab.c -lfl 26.672s real 18.216s user 3.193s system 80% CC=lcc 46.399s real 36.016s user 3.969s system 86% CC=gcc-2.4.5 50.239s real 37.367s user 4.757s system 83% CC=gcc-2.6.3 67.093s real 48.755s user 4.561s system 79% CC=gcc-2.6.3 -O size cproto text data bss dec hex 45056 16384 1480 62920 f5c8 lcc 61440 4096 0 65536 10000 gcc-2.4.5 65536 4096 0 69632 11000 gcc-2.6.3 53248 4096 0 57344 e000 gcc-2.6.3 -O I picked cproto at random but this is true for most programs. > We also need support for asm, inline, -fpic, a standard assembler, ... To replace the default compiler we need these. But surely not for adding another compiler in the ports directory. > > including lcc without modification in another distribution is OK. > This doesn't help. You have to modify it to support long long... I think shipping a diff file would not violate the terms. To summarize: I agree that lcc copyright needs to be clarified, it lacks certain gcc extensions we depend on so it can't be used as the default compiler, it does not generate as good code as gcc (with -O or -O2) and it has some rough edges (not unlike early gcc). On the positive side it runs about twice as fast, its code is only about 10% slower (compared to gcc -O compiled code), it is easier to understand and it is described in great detail in one of the best compiler books in recent times (destined to be a classic IMHO), it forces you to stick to ANSI C, it seems to be more robust, and I think it is a better vehicle for adding further improvements. On the balance `touching it' has been a pleasant experience. -- bakul From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 00:45:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA03618 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:45:21 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA03612 ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:45:18 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id CAA02550; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:43:04 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199506110743.CAA02550@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD 2.0.5 RELEASE! To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:43:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506102001.NAA20659@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 10, 95 01:01:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 88 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Its on ftp.neosoft.com/systems/FreeBSD/2.0.5-RELEASE in case wcarchive is busy. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 04:23:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA16457 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:23:38 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA16444 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:23:34 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05393; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:23:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA05754 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:23:30 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04832 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:13:52 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506111013.MAA04832@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Posix [Was: Re: make doesn't like lines with a tab only] To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:13:51 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka" at Jun 10, 95 09:09:38 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1747 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [moved to -hackers] As =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka wrote: > > Thanx. Now only FreeBSD have this braindamage and only Rod tries > to defend it by false references to POSIX and other strange methods. > I hope everybody else agrees that we need to fix it > (after code freeze lifted). > If no objections comes, I'll commit the fix. But make it issuing a warning anyway. Posix neither clearly allows it nor does it clearly forbide it (it's only saying about "command", and there's never a definition saying the empty string were a valid command or not; at least, it's a very useless one). The warning will not bother those too much who're only caring for porting other software, while it will allow fixing bogus makefiles as well. When reading Posix, i don't think our ``make'' is very far away from a Posix-compliant make. The intention of Posix here is to define only a subset of required commands, while leaving all the usual extensions as implementation-specific. One thing that will be necessary is to default the CC variable to ``c89'' instead of ``cc''. Perhaps this should be done via some .ifdef coding and the pseudo-target ``.POSIX'' which is required for all Posix-compliant Makefiles. (Maybe `make' will require internal logic to transform the .POSIX into an internal macro.) `c89' itself is no big deal. A script as simple as #!/bin/sh exec cc -ansi $* should do it. Note that some vendor cc's might have more problems here since it appears that Posix requires the c89 to accept spaces after the -l, -L, and-I options as well (which gcc does). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 04:23:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA16474 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:23:40 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA16449 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:23:36 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05398; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:23:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA05757 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:23:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04899 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:21:34 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506111021.MAA04899@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: VM86 calls and BIOS disk driver To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:21:33 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506110228.CAA07664@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Jun 11, 95 02:28:09 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1266 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Stephen Hocking wrote: > > > Is anyone actively working on the VM86 stuff with an eye to > implementing a generic BIOS disk driver, so as to support the hardware > or controllers that are not yet supported by a specific driver? Why I say > that is because this TMC-885 controller does not work wuth -current's > seagate.c, and only on the 2.0 seagate.c with BLIND_TRANSFER disabled. If I > could use the onboard BIOS, I'm fairly sure that it'd do better than the > huge amount of CPU it eats now polling the damn thing. Not voting against VM86 work, but what makes you believe the latter statement? If the driver uses PIO (either a FreeBSD driver or the BIOS driver), it will eat up CPU. The BIOS driver, while arguably less work, will be worse, since it suffers from additional overhead. If the driver uses bus-master DMA, it might have better performance, but you'll have a hard time telling the BIOS driver its correct (physical) addresses to transfer (unless you're going to always use bounce buffers). I'd still anticipate troubles from the BIOS not knowing how to behave in a `more advanced' environment. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 04:33:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA17502 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:33:24 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA17493 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:33:22 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05620; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:33:19 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA05896 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:33:18 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00382 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:31:56 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506111131.NAA00382@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Slight flame from Linux user To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:31:55 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506110732.AAA14228@netcom13.netcom.com> from "Bakul Shah" at Jun 11, 95 00:32:26 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 491 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bakul Shah wrote: > > I'll shut up about this topic after this message. > > > My compiler is much smaller, compiles much faster, and generates only slightly > > worse code -- but I won't touch it :-). > > I will, if I can have a copy of your compiler :-) It's in the ports collection (ports/devel/bcc), along with the assembler and linker. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 04:39:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA18078 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:39:19 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA18066 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:39:15 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05707; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:39:02 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA05921; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:38:56 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00439; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:35:37 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506111135.NAA00439@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:35:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, XFree86@xfree86.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 11, 95 02:24:49 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1220 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As -Vince- wrote: > > I've been experiencing a problem with the FreeBSD 2.0-Alpha > distribution of XFree86. I am currently up to the lastest FreeBSD > -current along with a new kernel but for some reason, when I use startx, > the whole machine will lock up after a short period of time. I am using > a ASUS P54TP4 P5-90 motherboard based on the Intel Triton chipset with > the Diamond SpeedStar Plus Hi-Color 16-bit Video Card. Does anyone have > any suggestions what I can do to find out if it is the video card causing > the problem since I've already pulled out all other cards and under > Microsoft windows, it locks up occasionally after I switch the drivers > but if I was using the TurboWindows drivers, it would lock up > immediately. I'm not sure which type of board the SpeedStar blahblah is (Diamond has a habit of delivering vastly different boards under almost identical names :-( ), but perhaps you might disable direct frame buffer access. I think it's something like ``option "nomemaccess"'' in the XF86Config file, refer to the man page(s). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 06:27:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA23636 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 06:27:09 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23624 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 06:27:02 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA10871 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:24:43 +1000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:24:43 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506111324.XAA10871@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Posix [Was: Re: make doesn't like lines with a tab only] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >But make it issuing a warning anyway. Posix neither clearly allows it Don't. >nor does it clearly forbide it (it's only saying about "command", >and there's never a definition saying the empty string were a valid >command or not; at least, it's a very useless one). The warning will It's up to the shell to decide if an empty command is valid. If `make' decides (as an optimization to avoid execing the shell to do nothing) then it must get it right. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 10:59:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA10809 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:59:07 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10780 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:59:01 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA12392 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 19:58:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199506111758.AA12392@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 19:58:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: John Herks Subject: Re: Intel Triton chipset & 2.0R Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 9, 19:08, Terry Lambert wrote: } Subject: Re: Intel Triton chipset & 2.0R } > I have just upgraded from a Neptune based Pentium motherboard to a Triton } > chipset motherboard. } > } > Before on the pci bus scan I used to get -: } > } > 8243LX - pci cache controller } > 82378LB - pci isa bridge } > } > Now I get the following output -: } > } > pci0: scanning device 0..31, mechanism=1. } > pci0:0: INTEL CORPORATION, device=0x122d, class=bridge [not supported] } > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ } > } > pci0:7: INTEL CORPORATION, device=0x122e, class=bridge [not supported] } > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, yes, this [not supported] message is misleading ... It doesn't mean that the Triton doesn't work, but it just says that there is no special PCI device driver for it. And none is required, actually ... The BIOS does all the initialisation, and FreeBSD's best guess is that the BIOS did it right ... What happens after these messages ? I've heard that Triton based system run just fine with FreeBSD-current, so I'd like to hear about the exact failure mode (if any) ... } > pci uses physical addresses from 0xc0000000 to 0xc0001000 Seems that 4KB of RAM are assigned to memory mapped PCI devices. Seems to work fine so far ... } PCI 1.x vs. 2.0 and fallback. } } Will probably be fixed when the Compaq Proliany fix goes in. I'm working on this. The problem with a fix is, that the PCI specs explicitly expect the configuration space enable register to ignore byte accesses if mechanism 1 is used. I'll have to send patches that check for this feature ... } Don't worry about it if it can run in a fallback mode. The Compaq } apparently needs manual fallback to make it run, so they're actually } much worse off than you are. I'll test a few methods to distingiush mechanism 1 and 2 compliant CPU to PCI bridge devices, and hope this problem is fixed tomorrow. Too bad it can't go into 2.0.5 anymore ... STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706017 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 11:08:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11595 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:08:56 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11584 ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:08:55 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199506111808.LAA11584@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Bad Motherboard To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506102129.OAA07631@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 10, 95 02:29:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1989 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Hi, > > > > I picked up a magitronic A-PIO-487C motherboard a couple of days ago and > > have yet to be able to get FreeBSD to run. > > > > Here is a listing of what the system has of now: > > 486DX4-100 MB > > 8Meg > > Diamond Stealth 64 1meg > > on-board IDE controller > > 540 meg hd > > > > The kernel boots fine (2.0R and 2.0.5A) but then both of them lock up > > at different stages, 2.0R right after the kernel is done and 2.0.5 if you > > pick install or fixit. > > > > I'm about to return this MB and get another from some where else I guess. > > Can someone point me to a ASUS dealer that is cheap? I've talked to Rod, > > but.... > > If you can find any one who can beat my price on ASUS products I would > surely like to know about it! If you are looking else where because I > am closed, well, sorry about that :-(. > > > Gary > > P.S. I did have the system running a 1542CF earlier with the same resualt(sic) > > > > -- > > Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service > > gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information > > FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in > > ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/FreeBSD.FAQ > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > Hi, Ok, who has that BIG pointy hat? After spending about 4 more of testing I found the problem.... The PCI chipset was remapping IRQ 11 for INT C. Well since the 1542CF and my drop in IDE were both on here, it gave me fits. Once I went though and reset it to use 9, 10, 14 and 15 it runs fine... Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 13:31:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18095 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:31:45 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA18089 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:31:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Joerg Wunsch cc: hackers@freebsd.org, XFree86@xfree86.org Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up In-Reply-To: <199506111135.NAA00439@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As -Vince- wrote: > > > > I've been experiencing a problem with the FreeBSD 2.0-Alpha > > distribution of XFree86. I am currently up to the lastest FreeBSD > > -current along with a new kernel but for some reason, when I use startx, > > the whole machine will lock up after a short period of time. I am using > > a ASUS P54TP4 P5-90 motherboard based on the Intel Triton chipset with > > the Diamond SpeedStar Plus Hi-Color 16-bit Video Card. Does anyone have > > any suggestions what I can do to find out if it is the video card causing > > the problem since I've already pulled out all other cards and under > > Microsoft windows, it locks up occasionally after I switch the drivers > > but if I was using the TurboWindows drivers, it would lock up > > immediately. > > I'm not sure which type of board the SpeedStar blahblah is (Diamond > has a habit of delivering vastly different boards under almost > identical names :-( ), but perhaps you might disable direct frame > buffer access. I think it's something like ``option "nomemaccess"'' > in the XF86Config file, refer to the man page(s). > This is actually a 1991 video card using the TSENG ET-4000AX chipset with the Sierra Hi-Color 32k RAMDAC. I was looking at the manpages and also the XF86Config.eg file but I didn't see a ``option "nomemaccess"'' option. Also, do you know what happened to all the Alt-Fn key bindings in XFree86 that comes with FreeBSD 2.0.5 since it used to work with the XFree 3.1.1 server. Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 13:44:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18315 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:44:43 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA18308 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:44:41 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01566 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:32:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199506112032.NAA01566@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: performance... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:32:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Not bad, on the 1.x days I used to get about 7 to 8 minutes to compile my kernel and on the early days of FreeBSD 2.0 it was like 13 minutes or so. I now that this is not very scientific . compiling a kernel: text data bss dec hex 806912 57344 79536 943792 e66b0 510.885u 56.288s 10:23.50 90.9% 1118+1251k 1826+572io 208pf+0w Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 13:52:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18531 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:52:21 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA18525 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 13:52:19 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA03989; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:53:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:53:05 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506112053.QAA03989@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Triton chipset & 2.0R Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <3rfb6h$g9h@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >I'll test a few methods to distingiush mechanism 1 and 2 >compliant CPU to PCI bridge devices, and hope this problem >is fixed tomorrow. >Too bad it can't go into 2.0.5 anymore ... Im the one with the Compaq Prolinea 575, and if you are going to be rolling a new patched version to test PCI mode, let me know and I'll test it for you. I dont know if you wrote the original test (pcibus.c) but in the NetBSD sources it has a disclaimer saying something to the effect that "Im guessing here, hope this works" for the Mode 2/1 test. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 14:06:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA18853 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:06:17 -0700 Received: from relay4.jaring.my (relay4.jaring.my [192.228.128.14]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA18846 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:06:15 -0700 Received: from tom (j14.ktk1.jaring.my [161.142.7.236]) by relay4.jaring.my (8.6.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA17480 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 05:06:08 +0800 Message-Id: <199506112106.FAA17480@relay4.jaring.my> X-Sender: brian@pop4.jaring.my Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 05:07:01 +0800 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: brian@pop.jaring.my (Brian O'Connor) Subject: Miscellaneous questions. X-Mailer: Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The attached posting to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc did not get any answers. Is there someone here that can help, please? Kind regards, Brian P.S. As I am not a frequent news group reader or on the reflector, please direct replies to my Email address. Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc From: brian@pop.jaring.my (Brian O'Connor) Subject: Miscellaneous Questions, and a big Thank You. I have been using FreeBSD 2.0 (straight off the Walnut Creek CD-ROM) for about 3 months as both DNS and BOOTP servers on our network in the office. Several points have come to light during this time, as described below. However, I still think FreeBSD is great value for money, and a good way to learn about UNIX. 1. The 3c509 ethernet driver sometimes gives out kernel: ep0: Status: 2002 messages (card reset?). Is this due to network overload, or overlong ethernet packets? One of our Sun workstations sometimes complains about overlong ethernet packets, and this seems to roughly coincide with the 2002s. Our backbone regularly hits 2k packets/sec during the busy hour. The predictive interrupt code is most interesting. 2. The kernel routing table and ARP cache timeout code is apparently incomplete/soft (refer line 634 of if_ether.c). This has caused some interesting bootp server problems ("bootpd [#pid]: sendto: Host is down" log messages) with PCs not booting, which I have had to work around with shell scripts. Appears that the use count in the routing table is not being set correctly. I find the linkage between the ARP cache and the routing table very difficult to work with. Has this been module been completed/fixed yet? 3. The xlock program (in the version on the CD) does not handle the long strings produced by the password encryption algorithm. I believe a later version of xlock addresses this. 4. The load average figures printed out in response to the w and uptime commands go to zero after a prolonged period (10 -14 days). 5. Using an SMC combi card, the kernel hangs on boot up if the card (thin wire) is not connected to the network. Reconnect the coax, reboot, and all is well. Probably has something to do with the card start up checking routines. 6. The bootp server sometimes gets confused about the server IP address it puts into the bootps replies. The layer 3 address is OK, but the server sometimes puts random address into the bootps packet, straight after the "your ip address" field, and before the "gateway ip address" field. 7. An incorrect /etc/resolv.conf causes startup to hang. Both /etc/myname and /etc/resolv.conf must agree on domain name. 8. The secondary master DNS server has recently started giving out a new kernel log message during a zone transfer, as follows: named [#pid]: Ready to answer queries. <- normal log message named-xfer[#pid]: recv(len=2): n=0 && !errno <- new log message This coincides with failure to complete the zone transfer of the normal lookup DNS data file. The inverse lookup data file transfers correctly. From what I can understand of the code, this is probably caused by a zone data transfer timeout. However, the primary master server is on the same ethernet segment!! What would happen if it was over a low speed serial link? Interestingly, for the Sun DNS implementation it appears that the code will permit multiple update timeouts before a log message is generated. From memory the man pages say something about this message not being critical, and that it will only be logged the first time a timeout happens. Subsequent zone transfer attempts are supposed to overcome the failure to transfer at the first attempt. Does the timeout have something to do with the size of the DNS data files? I think at about 2000 entries for each of the forward and inverse files, and over an ethernet link, timeouts should not be a problem. Does anybody else have any experience with this, please? 9. The memory stats for the ps -aux command never move off zero percent. Any help with these matters greatly appreciated. Finally, a great big thank you to the FreeBSD team for a great piece of work. I find the neatness and integration of the FreeBSD release much to my liking, after the slightly haphazard Linux packages I have used. Brian O'Connor From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 14:11:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19060 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:11:31 -0700 Received: from insanus.matematik.su.se (insanus.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19054 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:11:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (jocosus.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.7]) by insanus.matematik.su.se (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA15317; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 21:11:18 GMT Message-Id: <199506112111.VAA15317@insanus.matematik.su.se> X-Address: Department of Mathematics, Stockholm University S-106 91 Stockholm SWEDEN X-Phone: int+8162000 X-Fax: int+86126717 X-Url: http://www.matematik.su.se To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: sef@cygnus.com Subject: DAT drive advice needed Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:11:08 +0200 From: Torbjorn Granlund Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, I bought a complete system where almost every component had some problem, and I had to return both the SCSI controller and the Graphics card to get properly working ones. After all that headache, the system now works great. The combination Pentium90/Triton/QuantumGPS/FreeBSD 2.0.5- actually makes the fastest system I have ever used! It is time to get a DAT drive, and I'd like to avoid to get another lemon. I'd like to get a high-quaility DAT drive, and I need to send tapes to people and recieve tapes from people. The HP drives vary in capacity a lot, but the prices are within a few hundred dollars. So, from that perspective, I'd get the 16 Gb drive, for just $1000 at NCA. But will FreeBSD and the drive be able to write tapes that most older DAT drives will be able to read? If not, what drives will allow me to ship tapes to others? Torbjorn From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 14:23:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19263 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:23:47 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19254 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:23:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA29165; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:16:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199506112116.PAA29165@rover.village.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 10 Jun 1995 22:10:35 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:15:50 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk : Perhaps it is time to add a few more RPC calls to them there daemons : so you could fire an RPC at them to do most of the things that kill -SIGHUP : does now. : : I have always hated using HUP to cause reloads of data files, I find it : gross compared to the nice neat stuff that VMS does :-). VMS usually has a mailbox that you write commands to (gross simplification). The mailbox has a protection of some sort. The closest thing on Unix is a named pipe. Maybe a named pipe might not be a bad idea for things like mountd controlling. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 14:46:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19727 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:46:43 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19721 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:46:40 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA16816; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:46:01 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:46:01 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199506102146.PAA16816@trout.sri.MT.net> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: performance... In-Reply-To: <199506112032.NAA01566@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199506112032.NAA01566@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Not bad, on the 1.x days I used to get about 7 to 8 minutes to > compile my kernel. That was when we were using gcc1. We haven't been using it since the 1.1 days. > and on the early days of FreeBSD 2.0 it was > like 13 minutes or so. I now that this is not very > scientific . Hmm, this one is hard to understand. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 14:55:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA20003 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:55:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA19996 ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:55:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199506112155.OAA19996@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: performance... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Jun 95 15:46:01 MDT." <199506102146.PAA16816@trout.sri.MT.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:55:49 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> and on the early days of FreeBSD 2.0 it was >> like 13 minutes or so. I now that this is not very >> scientific . > >Hmm, this one is hard to understand. > Merged VM/Buffer Cache. > >Nate -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 15:16:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20636 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:16:36 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA20626 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:16:34 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20289; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 00:16:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA09557; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 00:16:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02664; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 00:13:15 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506112213.AAA02664@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Miscellaneous questions. To: brian@pop.jaring.my (Brian O'Connor) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 00:13:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506112106.FAA17480@relay4.jaring.my> from "Brian O'Connor" at Jun 12, 95 05:07:01 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2350 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Brian O'Connor wrote: > > > 3. The xlock program (in the version on the CD) does not handle the > long strings produced by the password encryption algorithm. I believe a later > version of xlock addresses this. Indeed. The version that's currently in `ports' has the following comment in the Revisions file: 2.0 ... In order to use extra-long passwords with the Linux, changed PASSLENGTH from 20 to 64. Thanks to . ... so we are not alone with our long passwords. :-) (Btw., the name of the package has been changed to `xlockmore', since the original `xlock' is no longer maintained. In case you haven't seen it yet, try again the `maze', `image' and `life' modi. :--) > 4. The load average figures printed out in response to the w and uptime > commands go to zero after a prolonged period (10 -14 days). Seems to be fixed; i haven't seen obviously bogus loadavg figures in any recent system -- and i usually to run `xload' within the `GoodStuff' window of fvwm. > 9. The memory stats for the ps -aux command never move off zero percent. Seems to be fixed, too: j@uriah 59% ps -aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND root 2547 0.0 1.4 500 188 p5 R+ 11:58PM 0:00.05 ps -aux root 1 0.0 0.0 428 48 ?? IWs 1:16PM 0:00.30 /sbin/init -- root 2 0.0 0.1 0 12 ?? DL 1:16PM 0:09.91 (pagedaemon) root 3 0.0 0.1 0 12 ?? DL 1:16PM 0:05.96 (vmdaemon) root 4 0.0 0.1 0 12 ?? DL 1:16PM 0:11.34 (update) root 55 0.0 1.1 188 148 ?? Ss 1:17PM 0:01.59 syslogd root 66 0.0 0.9 268 120 ?? Ss 1:17PM 0:01.86 cron ... root 748 0.9 16.3 4224 2324 ?? S 1:53PM 11:27.44 /usr/X11R6/bin/ root 749 0.0 0.0 408 0 v0 IW 1:53PM 0:00.39 -:0 j 774 0.0 0.0 504 0 v0 IW 1:56PM 0:00.19 /bin/sh /home/j j 792 0.0 1.2 240 168 v0 I 1:56PM 3:06.97 beforelight j 793 0.0 1.9 496 268 v0 S 1:56PM 0:09.58 fvwm root 794 0.0 2.2 536 300 v0 I 1:56PM 0:01.27 xterm -g 80x24+ ... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 15:21:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20938 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:21:05 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20928 ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:21:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02703; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:08:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199506112208.PAA02703@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: Nate Williams , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: performance... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:55:49 PDT." <199506112155.OAA19996@freefall.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:08:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Justin T. Gibbs" said: > >> and on the early days of FreeBSD 2.0 it was > >> like 13 minutes or so. I now that this is not very > >> scientific . > > > >Hmm, this one is hard to understand. > > > > Merged VM/Buffer Cache. > Perhaps better page trimming algorithm for processes? VMS had a nice process memory page controlling algorithm, number of pages to add or delete based on the rate of paging, etc.. and tunable... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 15:34:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21826 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:34:54 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA21818 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:34:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Joerg Wunsch cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@XFree86.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up In-Reply-To: <199506112145.XAA02454@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As -Vince- wrote: > > > > This is actually a 1991 video card using the TSENG ET-4000AX > > chipset with the Sierra Hi-Color 32k RAMDAC. I was looking at the manpages > > and also the XF86Config.eg file but I didn't see a ``option "nomemaccess"'' > > option. Also, do you know what happened to all the Alt-Fn key bindings > > in XFree86 that comes with FreeBSD 2.0.5 since it used to work with the > > XFree 3.1.1 server. > > Hmm, if it's a plain ET4000 VGA, it doesn't have direct memory access > (hence also no "nomemaccess"). > Hmmm, so is there really a way to find out what the problem really is? > Which Alt-Fn bindings? Well, with FVWM, these are the defined keys, it worked in the XFree86 v3.1.1 and v3.1 but not the one from FreeBSD 2.0.5R... Here is the part from my .fvwmrc file: # Keyboard accelerators Key F1 A M Raise Key F2 A M Lower Key F3 A M Iconify Key F4 A M Iconify Key F5 A M Move Key F6 A M Resize Key F7 A M CirculateUp Key F8 A M CirculateDown Key F9 R A Exec exec "Xterm" xterm & Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 16:18:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23643 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:18:42 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23633 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:18:35 -0700 Received: from (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA17166 for < hackers@freebsd.org>; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 19:18:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199506112318.TAA17166@sentinel.synapse.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 19:18:29 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with 2940 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk System: P75 on SiS chipset, 32 MB RAM (both 60 ns), Seagate Hawk 2 GB (SCSI), Toshiba 3401B external CD (SCSI), Adaptec 2940 and a Surecom (NE2000-compatible) PCI ethernet. OS: FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE running generic kernel (due to the problem I describe below, you'll see how I was not able to create a new kernel with less junk in it). Installed via Internet from freefall.cdrom.com. Problem: mild filesystem corruption. It appears that on write a bit is being written improperly. If I take the case of the files in /usr/include, there is in general one error every few lines of code in those files that are affected (the corruptions are most apparent in source code since the syntax checkers find them very quickly). Viewing affected files shows the same corruption each time. Removing the file and reextracting from the distribution may solve the problem, but a new file that was just extracted will have a different corruption. Again, viewing the new files will show the same new corruptions each time. The corruptions seem to be only 1 character at a time. Ones that I see over and over in /usr/include are ")" turned to "(", "_" turned to "^" and "*" turned to "+". This difference will become much more apparent if I write out the ASCII values for each (r = real value, c = corrupted value): character value (octal) value (binary) r ) 051 00101001 c ( 050 00101000 r _ 137 01011111 c ^ 136 01011110 r * 052 00101010 c + 053 00101011 Note that each is only 1 bit off, either by adding 1 or subtracting 1 from the real value. Both the internal and external SCSI bus are properly terminated and we're using high quality cables. I lowered the transfer rate from 10 MB/s to 5 MB/s with no change. I suspect that the problem is with the 2940 or the driver for the 2940 because SCSI bus parity should detect the single bit errors that I am experiencing. I hope someone out there is having this problem to so I don't feel that I'm going crazy :-) Any suggestions as to what to look for and change would be very appreciated. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 16:47:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA24641 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:47:07 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA24633 ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:47:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199506112347.QAA24633@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jun 95 19:18:29 EDT." <199506112318.TAA17166@sentinel.synapse.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:47:05 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >System: P75 on SiS chipset, 32 MB RAM (both 60 ns), Seagate Hawk 2 GB >(SCSI), Toshiba 3401B external CD (SCSI), Adaptec 2940 and a Surecom >(NE2000-compatible) PCI ethernet. > Can you reproduce these errors with the external and internel cache of your pentium disabled? Parity is enabled and reported (when incorrect) by the driver. You may also want to find out if your drive has parity enabled. I've been using a 4GB Hawk to test the 2940 code for some time, so I don't think that there is some funny interaction between the two. Your problem sounds like a cache coherency bug in your hardware. >Evan >-- >Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server >Director, Internet Systems * at >Synapse Internet * > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 17:23:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25992 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:23:05 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25986 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:23:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA03331 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:10:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199506120010.RAA03331@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: mgetty+sendfax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:10:26 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Any progress on using the zyxel as a voice answering machine. Currently, I am down to one voice line + isdn line and I want my FreeBSD box to pick up voice messages and faxes. A little while ago, I had something working but I lost my work when Windows wiped out my unix disk drive . Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 17:55:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28238 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:55:13 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28230 ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:55:09 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01675; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:55:18 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506120055.RAA01675@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506112347.QAA24633@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jun 11, 95 04:47:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1469 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >System: P75 on SiS chipset, 32 MB RAM (both 60 ns), Seagate Hawk 2 GB > >(SCSI), Toshiba 3401B external CD (SCSI), Adaptec 2940 and a Surecom > >(NE2000-compatible) PCI ethernet. > > > > Can you reproduce these errors with the external and internel cache > of your pentium disabled? Parity is enabled and reported (when incorrect) > by the driver. You may also want to find out if your drive has parity > enabled. I've been using a 4GB Hawk to test the 2940 code for some time, > so I don't think that there is some funny interaction between the two. Your > problem sounds like a cache coherency bug in your hardware. Or display hardware that is adding a bit to the character, or main memory (do you have 36 bit simms and a chip set that does memory parity creation and checking)? I find that it is very hard to believe you even got far enough to get the system booted if the data was really this way in memory or on disk, all your binaries should be corrupt. This also tends to rule out the cache, as your binaries should be blowing chunks all over the place (or maybe they are and you failed to mention that). I am really really suspecting display hardware here, can you telnet in and see if the files look fine over a telnet connection???? Do cksums on the files match those from a good system?? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 18:26:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA05338 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:26:51 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA05310 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:26:45 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA10666; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:26:07 +0800 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:26:06 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: performance... In-Reply-To: <199506112032.NAA01566@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > text data bss dec hex > 806912 57344 79536 943792 e66b0 > 510.885u 56.288s 10:23.50 90.9% 1118+1251k 1826+572io 208pf+0w The same kernel config that took 23 to 25 minutes in 950412 and an AMD 486DX4/100 now only takes 13 minutes with 2.0.5R and an Intel 486DX4/100. I didn't think there was that much different between the April snapshot and 2.0.5, and certainly AMD vs. Intel won't account for nearly double the speed. Same disk controller and drive in both cases. However, no complaints here. :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 19:32:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA15333 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 19:32:13 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15327 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 19:32:11 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA05095; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 22:32:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 22:32:53 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506120232.WAA05095@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: performance... Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <3rg5hv$vc4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: >> >> text data bss dec hex >> 806912 57344 79536 943792 e66b0 >> 510.885u 56.288s 10:23.50 90.9% 1118+1251k 1826+572io 208pf+0w > The same kernel config that took 23 to 25 minutes in 950412 and an >AMD 486DX4/100 now only takes 13 minutes with 2.0.5R and an Intel >486DX4/100. I didn't think there was that much different between the >April snapshot and 2.0.5, and certainly AMD vs. Intel won't account >for nearly double the speed. Same disk controller and drive in both >cases. However, no complaints here. :) On one of my really horrible systems (486/66 crappy parts) the build time went from ~35 minutes under 0212 to over an hour an 2.0.5-R :(. Ah well. I should go and see if the P75 Compaq is still faster than a P90 micron now :) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 11 23:27:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10901 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:27:09 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA10895 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:27:06 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA28412; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:25:11 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA11478; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:24:52 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA03647; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:14:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506120614.IAA03647@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:14:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@xfree86.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 11, 95 06:34:46 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 845 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As -Vince- wrote: > > > Hmm, if it's a plain ET4000 VGA, it doesn't have direct memory access > > (hence also no "nomemaccess"). > > Hmmm, so is there really a way to find out what the problem really > is? No idea. You need to experiment yourself, which would require some- thing like a serial console, so you can run DDB on it, perhaps an Xserver with full symbol table (-g) and gdb. Unless somebody else has got a better hint. > > Which Alt-Fn bindings? > > Well, with FVWM, these are the defined keys, it worked in the > XFree86 v3.1.1 and v3.1 but not the one from FreeBSD 2.0.5R... Here is > the part from my .fvwmrc file: Do you get all desired events when tracking them with `xev'? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 00:48:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA14453 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 00:48:14 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA14446 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 00:48:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Joerg Wunsch cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@xfree86.org Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up In-Reply-To: <199506120614.IAA03647@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As -Vince- wrote: > > > > > Hmm, if it's a plain ET4000 VGA, it doesn't have direct memory access > > > (hence also no "nomemaccess"). > > > > Hmmm, so is there really a way to find out what the problem really > > is? > > No idea. You need to experiment yourself, which would require some- > thing like a serial console, so you can run DDB on it, perhaps an > Xserver with full symbol table (-g) and gdb. > > Unless somebody else has got a better hint. > Hmmm, okay but I thought if it crashed then there is no way to do the ddb... > > > Which Alt-Fn bindings? > > > > Well, with FVWM, these are the defined keys, it worked in the > > XFree86 v3.1.1 and v3.1 but not the one from FreeBSD 2.0.5R... Here is > > the part from my .fvwmrc file: > > Do you get all desired events when tracking them with `xev'? Not sure since if X locks up like within a minute, there is no way I can run xev, what are events anyways? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 02:55:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA16603 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 02:55:00 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA16594 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 02:54:59 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA08492 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 02:42:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199506120942.CAA08492@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: live mpeg broadcasting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 02:42:23 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The html page mentions about support for linux forthcoming this is your chance to push FreeBSD around . Also, xing is Net *friendly*. http://www.xingtech.com/ Have fun, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 03:09:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA16867 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:09:09 -0700 Received: from reinfra.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@reinfra.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.230.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA16859 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:09:04 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by reinfra.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <51591>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:08:50 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24033 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:24:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199506111324.PAA24033@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: man kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Jun 1995 07:55:41 +0200." <199506100555.PAA27829@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:24:06 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Suggestion: Perhaps `man boot' & `man kernel' should give something more than No manual entry for kernel No manual entry for boot If only a one line pointer to an FAQ, (wherever) that details one can do: sd(0,a)/kernel.my_flavour -c PS This suggestion arises as: Bruce Evans replied to someone > booting with -v & Poul-Henning I recall mentioned boot -c or some such too recently .... Julian S. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 03:26:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17133 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:26:05 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA17121 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:25:39 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00292; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:21:07 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:21:07 GMT From: Root Posted-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:21:07 GMT Message-Id: <199506121421.OAA00292@ns.aic.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Re: man kernel Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I agree. Definitely, there is a BIG need in man for boot and kernel. For example, man for boot exists in SysV boxes.... -edd From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 04:53:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA18076 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 04:53:32 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA18070 ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 04:53:29 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id HAA26421; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 07:52:22 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506121152.HAA26421@hda.com> Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 07:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506120055.RAA01675@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 11, 95 05:55:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1229 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > Or display hardware that is adding a bit to the character, or main > memory (do you have 36 bit simms and a chip set that does memory > parity creation and checking)? I find that it is very hard to believe > you even got far enough to get the system booted if the data was really > this way in memory or on disk, all your binaries should be corrupt. > > This also tends to rule out the cache, as your binaries should be blowing > chunks all over the place (or maybe they are and you failed to mention > that). > > I am really really suspecting display hardware here, can you telnet in > and see if the files look fine over a telnet connection???? > > Do cksums on the files match those from a good system?? > I'm also surprised that he managed to post that message yet sees this type of failure in the text files. Recall that he says that if he re-extracts the files and they come out OK they stay OK. The failure is consistent with a given file. That seems to eliminate anything outside of the disk-memory-disk loop. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 05:08:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA18379 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 05:08:36 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA18370 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 05:08:31 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA25186 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:08:19 +0200 Message-Id: <199506121208.AA25186@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:08:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Please give feedback: New PCI configuration mechanism test Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk After some problems with the "Compaq Prosignia 300" I've taken a look at the PCI specification rev. 2.0 (don't have 2.1, yet, anybody able to check for major differences between 2.0 and 2.1 regarding configuration space accesses and especially changes to chapters 3.6.4.1.x). The following patch should be tested on as many PCI motherboards as possible, since I don't want to break PCI support for old systems with this patch. I've tested it on a Saturn based i486 system and will try it on a Pentium later today. Please report any problems with this patch ! There is a slight chance, that a chip set that supports PCI configuration mechanism 2 will be erroneously detected as supporting mechanism 1. If a PCI system stops working with this patch, I'd like to receive boot messages as written by the working (i.e. unpatched) kernel. Thanks in advance! STefan Index: /sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -C2 -r1.8 pcibus.c *** 1.8 1995/03/22 21:35:39 --- pcibus.c 1995/06/12 09:44:07 *************** *** 140,143 **** --- 140,144 ---- #define CONF1_ENABLE 0x80000000ul + #define CONF1_ENABLE_CHK 0xF0000000ul #define CONF1_ADDR_PORT 0x0cf8 #define CONF1_DATA_PORT 0x0cfc *************** *** 154,170 **** /*--------------------------------------- - ** Configuration mode 2 ? - **--------------------------------------- - */ - - outb (CONF2_ENABLE_PORT, 0); - outb (CONF2_FORWARD_PORT, 0); - if (!inb (CONF2_ENABLE_PORT) && !inb (CONF2_FORWARD_PORT)) { - pci_mechanism = 2; - pci_maxdevice = 16; - return; - }; - - /*--------------------------------------- ** Configuration mode 1 ? **--------------------------------------- --- 155,158 ---- *************** *** 172,176 **** oldval = inl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT); ! outl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT, CONF1_ENABLE); result = inl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT); outl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT, oldval); --- 160,164 ---- oldval = inl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT); ! outl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT, CONF1_ENABLE_CHK); result = inl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT); outl (CONF1_ADDR_PORT, oldval); *************** *** 179,182 **** --- 167,183 ---- pci_mechanism = 1; pci_maxdevice = 32; + return; + }; + + /*--------------------------------------- + ** Configuration mode 2 ? + **--------------------------------------- + */ + + outb (CONF2_ENABLE_PORT, 0); + outb (CONF2_FORWARD_PORT, 0); + if (!inb (CONF2_ENABLE_PORT) && !inb (CONF2_FORWARD_PORT)) { + pci_mechanism = 2; + pci_maxdevice = 16; return; }; -- Stefan Esser Internet: Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706017 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 06:08:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19157 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:08:24 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA19151 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:08:22 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA14072 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:08:03 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506121308.AA14072@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:08:02 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@xfree86.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 11, 95 02:24:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1188 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've been experiencing a problem with the FreeBSD 2.0-Alpha >distribution of XFree86. I am currently up to the lastest FreeBSD >-current along with a new kernel but for some reason, when I use startx, >the whole machine will lock up after a short period of time. I am using >a ASUS P54TP4 P5-90 motherboard based on the Intel Triton chipset with >the Diamond SpeedStar Plus Hi-Color 16-bit Video Card. Does anyone have >any suggestions what I can do to find out if it is the video card causing >the problem since I've already pulled out all other cards and under >Microsoft windows, it locks up occasionally after I switch the drivers >but if I was using the TurboWindows drivers, it would lock up >immediately. This setup has worked fine when I was using other motherboards Check the ISA bus timings in the BIOS/chipset setup. I think these are the 8-bit I/O and 16-bit I/O settings (or something similar) for the above board. Also, check if the card has any wait-state or "turbo" jumpers. If that doesn't help, I'd conclude that the card and motherboard are incompatible -- since the problem occurs only for that motherboard, and in both Windows and XFree86. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 06:14:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19306 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:14:05 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA19297 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:14:01 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA14191 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:13:53 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506121313.AA14191@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:13:52 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@xfree86.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Jun 12, 95 03:47:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 642 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > > Which Alt-Fn bindings? >> > >> > Well, with FVWM, these are the defined keys, it worked in the >> > XFree86 v3.1.1 and v3.1 but not the one from FreeBSD 2.0.5R... Here is >> > the part from my .fvwmrc file: >> >> Do you get all desired events when tracking them with `xev'? > > Not sure since if X locks up like within a minute, there is no >way I can run xev, what are events anyways? If X is up long enough to tell that the keys don't work as expected you should be able to run xev. Events include things like key up/down strokes, so you should be able to see if the Alt and Fn keys are being passed on by the server. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 06:33:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19645 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:33:31 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (root@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA19639 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:33:29 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA13921 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:54:37 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506121254.AA13921@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: binaries in 2.0.5-RELEASE source dist To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:54:36 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 201 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed binaries (.o files, etc) in the following places in the 2.0.5-RELEASE source dist: sys/i386/boot/*/ lkm/ release/sysinstall/ usr.sbin/pkg_install/*/ usr.sbin/pkg_manage/ David From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 06:36:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19719 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:36:09 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19713 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 06:36:05 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA22386; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:02:55 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506121332.XAA22386@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 To: evanc@synapse.net Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:02:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506112318.TAA17166@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at Jun 11, 95 07:18:29 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1274 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Evan Champion stands accused of saying: > Problem: mild filesystem corruption. It appears that on write a bit > Both the internal and external SCSI bus are properly terminated and > we're using high quality cables. I lowered the transfer rate from 10 > MB/s to 5 MB/s with no change. I suspect that the problem is with the > 2940 or the driver for the 2940 because SCSI bus parity should detect > the single bit errors that I am experiencing. > > I hope someone out there is having this problem to so I don't feel > that I'm going crazy :-) Any suggestions as to what to look for and > change would be very appreciated. Start by enabling (if possible) memory parity checking for your M/B. Then pull the 2940 and clean the contacts. Move it to a different slot. Make sure you actually _do_ have SCSI parity enabled. Wave a dead chicken three times widdershins around the case. > Evan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 08:15:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA21985 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:15:14 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA21979 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:15:13 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA02676 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:21:48 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id JAA11544 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:15:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199506121515.JAA11544@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:15:12 -0600 In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes" "Re: Minor nits about bindist..." (Jun 10, 10:10pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 10, 10:10pm, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... > > [ ... ] > I have always hated using HUP to cause reloads of data files, I find it > gross compared to the nice neat stuff that VMS does :-). I see the smiley, but have no idea what the "nice neat stuff VMS does" is. Just what is it that VMS does? --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 08:22:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22292 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:22:38 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22286 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:22:36 -0700 Received: from gena@NetVision.net.il (gena@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.6.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16905; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:19:03 +0300 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:19:03 +0300 In-Reply-To: <199506121208.AA25186@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> Message-ID: Organization: NetVision ltd. - Israely internet provider X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: Stefan Esser Subject: RE: Please give feedback: New PCI configuration mechanism test Cc: Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello! In message <199506121208.AA25186@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> Stefan Esser writes: >After some problems with the "Compaq Prosignia 300" >I've taken a look at the PCI specification rev. 2.0 >(don't have 2.1, yet, anybody able to check for >major differences between 2.0 and 2.1 regarding >configuration space accesses and especially changes >to chapters 3.6.4.1.x). > >The following patch should be tested on as many >PCI motherboards as possible, since I don't want >to break PCI support for old systems with this >patch. > >I've tested it on a Saturn based i486 system and >will try it on a Pentium later today. Ok, i just tested your patch on P90 Compaq Prosignea and it finally recognized the PCI bus!! Now i can install FreeBSD on it! Thanks a lot! (Also it finds only 16Mb RAM instead of 32 but it's a different problem ) > >Please report any problems with this patch ! > >There is a slight chance, that a chip set that >supports PCI configuration mechanism 2 will be >erroneously detected as supporting mechanism 1. And i also tested this patch on Digital P90, and it still recognizes PCI exactly like it did before. > >If a PCI system stops working with this patch, >I'd like to receive boot messages as written >by the working (i.e. unpatched) kernel. > >Thanks in advance! > >STefan > Best regards. -------- Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: gena@NetVision.net.il Homepage: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena This message was sent at 06/12/95 18:30:05 by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 09:06:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23170 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:06:14 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23164 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:06:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA03044 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:07:44 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506121607.MAA03044@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: `device' versus `disk' in kernel config file To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 282 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk What exactly is the difference between saying: device sd0 device st0 and disk sd0 tape st0 in a kernel config file? === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 09:30:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23769 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:30:32 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23763 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:30:21 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA15607; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:29:40 +0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:29:39 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Concurrent kernel builds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is it safe to config/make depend/make two different kernels on the same machine using the same source tree at the same time? I've found some problems with the 2.0.5 kernel under extreme disk and network load (more info later). I decided to rebuild a special "SERVER" kernel with extra NMBCLUSTERS, MAX_CHILD's and MAX_OPEN's, as well as putting back a kernel without all that on the non-server machines. Does each build take place completely within the compile/CONFIG directory, or are files outside of that modified? It doesn't look like it, but I want to make sure. (yes, I know I can compile one after the other, but I'm still curious) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 09:57:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25305 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:57:42 -0700 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25096 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:56:58 -0700 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id CAA20926 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:56:43 +1000 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199506121656.CAA20926@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: bad clone routes ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:56:41 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2274 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sometime not so long ago, I asked why clone routes didn't show up in "netstat -r" and received the answer .. "try netstat -ra" .. ok, I did that, now I show .. asstdc:~ % netstat -ran Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 202.14.234.68 UGSc 100 359 ed0 4.41.0.4 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 363 ed0 3526 ^^^^^^^^ 18.26.0.36 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 381 ed0 2879 38.8.5.2 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 359 ed0 1132 38.8.24.2 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 379 ed0 1233 38.8.50.2 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 362 ed0 3516 59.17.113.29 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 360 ed0 1557 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 1 152 lo0 128.8.73.9 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 384 ed0 3274 [ .. ] 199.2.252.10 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 360 ed0 3596 202.12.127 202.14.234.69 UGc 3 11993 ed0 202.12.127.66 202.14.234.69 UGHW 0 18 ed0 202.12.127.67 202.14.234.69 UGHW 0 8118 ed0 202.14.234.49 202.14.234.68 UGHW3 0 153890 ed0 2869 202.14.234.64 link#1 UC 0 0 202.14.234.65 0:0:c0:ec:85:4e UHLW 3 26058 lo0 202.14.234.68 0:0:c0:25:9c:4e UHLW 101 0 ed0 304 202.14.234.69 0:40:33:22:94:e1 UHLW 6 3601 ed0 339 202.14.234.79 link#1 UHLW 1 691 224 link#1 UCS 0 0 The underlined routes are garbage. They appear to actually in the kernel because snmpnetstat shows them as well. Any ideas ? Also note that I have one interface on this machine and I get .. asstdc:~ % /usr/sbin/arp -a asstdc.scgt.oz.au (202.14.234.65) at 0:0:c0:ec:85:4e permanent gw1.scgt.oz.au (202.14.234.68) at 0:0:c0:25:9c:4e gw3.scgt.oz.au (202.14.234.69) at 0:40:33:22:94:e1 ? (202.14.234.79) at (incomplete) .. an arp attempt for the broadcast address (with netmask 255.255.255.240). Is this normal ? michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 10:01:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA26229 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:01:11 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA26209 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:01:07 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA02358; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:01:08 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506121701.KAA02358@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... To: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506121515.JAA11544@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> from "Alan F Lundin" at Jun 12, 95 09:15:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 664 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Jun 10, 10:10pm, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... > > > > [ ... ] > > I have always hated using HUP to cause reloads of data files, I find it > > gross compared to the nice neat stuff that VMS does :-). > > I see the smiley, but have no idea what the "nice neat stuff > VMS does" is. Just what is it that VMS does? They are called mailboxes, and they look kinda like a named pipe, get a set of VMS programmers manuals (about 6 3" volumes) and look it up :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 10:22:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01568 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:22:55 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01535 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:22:50 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27863; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:22:43 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA15645 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:22:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA04526 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:56:35 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506121656.SAA04526@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: man kernel To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:56:35 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506111324.PAA24033@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Jun 11, 95 03:24:06 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 568 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Julian Howard Stacey wrote: > > > Suggestion: > Perhaps `man boot' & `man kernel' should give something more > than There's a man page for ``boot_i386''. Perhaps it is supposed to be linked to ``boot'', but actually isn't. Anyway, the man page is stone-aged. It doesn't refer to our boot loader, so alas you won't find the various flags mentioned there. It needs an update (this also came up in Usenet recently). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 10:46:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA06532 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:46:24 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA06523 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:46:22 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16810; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:45:57 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:36 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:36 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: ntpdate To: mpp@legarto.minn.net (Mike Pritchard) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:36:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506101718.MAA17000@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at Jun 10, 95 12:18:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 654 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mike Pritchard writes: [stuff deleted] > > > I used to use ntpdate in my old SLIP scripts without any problems, > but they only redirected stdin/out/err to /dev/null and ran > in the background. Maybe some of the controlling tty stuff pppd is > doing screws things up. I might be out of my leauge here, but I tend to agree that there is something screwed up with the "Kerne" ppp line dicipline. You will notice that ping in the background will do the same. Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:23:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10120 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:23:52 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA10114 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:23:51 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14568(2)>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:22:49 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:22:40 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jun 95 04:05:27 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:22:36 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Jun12.112240pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message you write: > I also made a couple of minor changes to /etc/sysconfig (basically >setting $ipaddr right after $hostname and using $ipaddr in the >ifconfig and multicast route lines). My machine has two IP addresses. Which one do I put in $ipaddr? I might go for ipaddr_ed0="13.0.208.200" ipaddr_de0="192.168.128.1" and I do think that the multicast route should use an IP address instead of a name, as you might want your multicast route to point out a different interface than your primary name. But I also think it's definitely 2.1 material. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:27:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10251 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:27:08 -0700 Received: from mpp.com ([204.157.201.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10244 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:27:05 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01263; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:26:03 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199506121826.NAA01263@mpp.com> Subject: Re: ntpdate To: fredriks@mcs.com (Lars Fredriksen) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:26:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Lars Fredriksen" at Jun 12, 95 12:36:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1046 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Mike Pritchard writes: > [stuff deleted] > > I used to use ntpdate in my old SLIP scripts without any problems, > > but they only redirected stdin/out/err to /dev/null and ran > > in the background. Maybe some of the controlling tty stuff pppd is > > doing screws things up. > > I might be out of my leauge here, but I tend to agree that there is something > screwed up with the "Kerne" ppp line dicipline. You will notice that ping > in the background will do the same. I just saw an announcement in one of the Linux groups about a new version of pppd (2.1.2d), and one of the fixes was to reset all of the alarm masks back to default so that sendmail would work properly in the ip-up script. That sounded somewhat familar, so I applied the patch and sure enough, my ntpdate problem went away (ping started working in the ip-up script, too). So I guess after 2.0.5 gets out the door, we should upgrade pppd to the new version. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@legarto.minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:47:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10689 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:47:49 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA10680 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:47:47 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA18200; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:39:23 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121839.AA18200@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Intel Triton chipset & 2.0R To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:39:22 MDT Cc: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506112053.QAA03989@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Jun 11, 95 04:53:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Im the one with the Compaq Prolinea 575, and if you are going to be rolling a > new patched version to test PCI mode, let me know and I'll test it for you. I > dont know if you wrote the original test (pcibus.c) but in the NetBSD sources > it has a disclaimer saying something to the effect that "Im guessing here, hope > this works" for the Mode 2/1 test. It did, right? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:49:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10794 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:49:10 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10788 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:49:08 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA08739; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:48:55 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506121848.OAA08739@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Intel Triton chipset & 2.0R To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Cc: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506121839.AA18200@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 12, 95 12:39:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 473 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It did, right? No, it didnt, however I just receieved a patch from Stefan that cures the problem. I knew checking Mode 1 first would solve it on the Compaq, but break on others, apparently he found a bit to set in the probe to make things better. Im about to build the kernel on my mode 2 Micron system and see if it still works. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:49:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10909 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:49:45 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10903 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:49:43 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02655; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:49:12 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506121849.LAA02655@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <95Jun12.112240pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from "Bill Fenner" at Jun 12, 95 11:22:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1141 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > In message you write: > > I also made a couple of minor changes to /etc/sysconfig (basically > >setting $ipaddr right after $hostname and using $ipaddr in the > >ifconfig and multicast route lines). > > My machine has two IP addresses. Which one do I put in $ipaddr? > > I might go for > > ipaddr_ed0="13.0.208.200" > ipaddr_de0="192.168.128.1" > > and I do think that the multicast route should use an IP address instead of a > name, as you might want your multicast route to point out a different > interface than your primary name. But I also think it's definitely 2.1 > material. This was why I responded to the original mail and had the person send me the diffs, I was afraid it would not work very well for multihomed hosts, and infact it does not (I have: Name: gndrsh.aac.dev.com Addresses: 198.145.92.17, 198.145.92.49, 198.145.92.241, 198.145.92.33 ) so this gets messy in a hurry.... It is 2.2 material... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:51:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11069 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:51:18 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA11063 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:51:16 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA18556; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:44:04 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121844.AA18556@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:44:03 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506112116.PAA29165@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 11, 95 03:15:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > VMS usually has a mailbox that you write commands to (gross > simplification). The mailbox has a protection of some sort. The > closest thing on Unix is a named pipe. Maybe a named pipe might not > be a bad idea for things like mountd controlling. Programmer response: I'd rather use System V message queues... Little kid response: I'd rather eat bugs... Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:54:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11252 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:54:23 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA11246 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:54:21 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00524; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:53:57 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199511121853.NAA00524@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Intel Triton chipset & 2.0R To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:53:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506121839.AA18200@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 12, 95 12:39:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 325 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Okay just built the kernel with the patch Esser provided, and it did the same thing mine did on the Micron, the test says "OK" for Mode 1, but the Micron is a mode 2, and the probe fails. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 11:59:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11470 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:59:47 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA11464 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:59:43 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA19130; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:51:35 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121851.AA19130@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: performance... To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:51:34 MDT Cc: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, nate@trout.sri.mt.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506112208.PAA02703@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 11, 95 03:08:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Perhaps better page trimming algorithm for processes? > > VMS had a nice process memory page controlling algorithm, > number of pages to add or delete based on the rate of > paging, etc.. and tunable... VMS called theirs a "Working Set Quota" (WSQUOTA). I believe that FreeBSD has a similar quota systems to avoid a simgle process trashing the cache (like what happens when you run the linker in UnixWare). Actually, I'd like to see a paper on the new VM system; I've been considering Dynix-like per processer page caches and other issues of concurrency. It'd be nice to know the intended overall design (plus such a paper would probably have historical significance 8-)). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 12:20:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA14843 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:20:45 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA14837 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:20:43 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA20805; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:13:57 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121913.AA20805@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Multiplatform Data Compression for FreeBSD (freeware) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:13:56 MDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This was recently (misposted) to the comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc group: ] From: telvox.teleinf@bologna.nettuno.it (Roberto M. Russo) ] Date: 12 Jun 1995 09:49:18 GMT ] Organization: Telvox Teleinformatica ] Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc ] ] ] Multiplatform Data Compression (COmpressor DECompressor ver. ] 3.21) for NetBSD (ver. 1.0 - intel x86 implementation) from ] Freeware Software Bookshelf of Telvox Software Shop is available ] at the URL : ] ] http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/telvox/telvox.htm ] ] to be downloaded freely. ] ] CODEC allows : ] ] - to compress in one operating system and decompress in another, ] interfacing the physical format of the file between the same or ] different environments with regards to file organization, ] record format, record length and block size. For example, it is ] possible to compress in NetBSD and to decompress in IBM's MVS; ] ] - to execute a highly efficient compression (from 1 to 50 times) ] by means of proprietary algorithms such as HPBS (High ] Performance Bit Shrinker); ] ] - to create in any platform a file capable of self decompressing ] in one of the allowed operating systems ( PC / OS2 / *IX / VMS ] / etc...) by means of advanced self exploding features. ] ] Our company has decided that, since NetBSD is freeware our ] packages will be distributed in freeware mode on that platform. ] ] The other CODEC implementations are on proprietary operating ] systems and they are distributed in shareware mode only. ] ] You are athorized to redistribute or post the CODEC package for ] NetBSD freely since that operating system is freeware. ] ] The CODEC package is distributed in self exploding format for ] NetBSD. ] ] Roberto Maria Russo ] (telvox.teleinf@bologna.nettuno.it) Someone want to see if they'll let you put it on the CDROM? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 12:25:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15119 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:25:46 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA15113 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:25:44 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA21179; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:18:53 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121918.AA21179@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: binaries in 2.0.5-RELEASE source dist To: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:18:53 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506121254.AA13921@physics.su.oz.au> from "David Dawes" at Jun 12, 95 10:54:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I've noticed binaries (.o files, etc) in the following places in the > 2.0.5-RELEASE source dist: > > sys/i386/boot/*/ > lkm/ Well, the ones in this dir are *supposed* to be there. > release/sysinstall/ > usr.sbin/pkg_install/*/ > usr.sbin/pkg_manage/ Check if any of the other files are loadable kernel modules and/or dlopen'ed before you remove them. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 12:30:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15435 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:30:46 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15429 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:30:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA04902; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:30:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199506121930.NAA04902@rover.village.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 12 Jun 1995 10:01:08 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:30:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : They are called mailboxes, and they look kinda like a named pipe, get : a set of VMS programmers manuals (about 6 3" volumes) and look it up :-). My copy of the OpenVMS I/O User's Reference Manual has them in chapter 4, if that helps. :-) Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 12:38:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA17072 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:38:27 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA17047 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:38:21 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA22150; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:31:34 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121931.AA22150@cs.weber.edu> Subject: LWP, anyone? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:31:34 MDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Saw this. Anyone bringing it over? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. ========================================================================= ] Re: Thread package for NetBSD ] ] From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble) ] Date: 12 Jun 1995 16:17:43 GMT ] Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon ] Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc ] References: 1 ] ] ] In article <0jpTLa200ioj012HQ0@andrew.cmu.edu>, ] Sergio Mendiola wrote: ] >Can anybody tell me which thread package can I use and install in a ] >NetBSD machine? pthreads, cthreads, LWP or any other. I am not an ] >expert on this and I need to use threads. Where can I get it from? ] > ] > ] >Thanks ] > ] >Sergio ] ] ] We've ported LWP to NetBSD. It's pretty straightforward. Take a ] look at /afs/cs/project/coda-bnoble/coda-clone/src/mlwp. This was ] compiled for -1.0, but should work under -current too. Let me know if ] it doesn't. ] ] -brian From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 12:46:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18593 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:46:28 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA18586 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:46:27 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14418(6)>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:45:44 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28686; Mon, 12 Jun 95 15:45:53 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00149; Mon, 12 Jun 95 15:49:09 EDT Message-Id: <9506121949.AA00149@gnu.mc.xerox.com> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LWP, anyone? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:31:34 PDT." <9506121931.AA22150@cs.weber.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:49:08 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've been using the MIT pthreads package on linux and am quite impressed. This seems to be the direction to go in... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 12:58:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA18990 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:58:33 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA18984 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:58:32 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA23582; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:50:22 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506121950.AA23582@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: LWP, anyone? To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:50:22 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506121949.AA00149@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 12, 95 12:49:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I've been using the MIT pthreads package on linux and am > quite impressed. > > This seems to be the direction to go in... > This is not a pthreads competitor. This is an API compatability issue for many, many SunOS 4.x (x>1) applications. If a SPARC port ever takes place, then this will be an ABI issue as well. Notice: "B", not "P" ---^ Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 13:35:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20343 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:35:57 -0700 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu [128.174.57.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA20337 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:35:56 -0700 Received: by uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu id AA04990 (5.67b/IDA-1.3.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:35:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:35:54 -0500 From: Terry Lee Message-Id: <199506122035.AA04990@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Extended DOS partition support? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk According to the INSTALL file, 2.0.5R does not currently support DOS file systems in extended DOS partitions. It also states that only a little bit more work is needed. Is there any preliminary patch or hack that I can try? Thanks for any suggestions. Terry Lee terry@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 13:42:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA20708 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:42:24 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA20700 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:42:19 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA27564; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:40:18 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:40:18 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506122040.GAA27564@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, jfieber@cs.smith.edu Subject: Re: `device' versus `disk' in kernel config file Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >What exactly is the difference between saying: > device sd0 > device st0 >and > disk sd0 > tape st0 >in a kernel config file? The latter wouldn't work. In general, `disk's are attached to controllers and `devices's are stand-alone. `device sd0' would give little more than a file "sd.h" with `#define NSD 1" in it, except config/mkioconf.c knows that the devices cd, ch, sd, st and uk are scsi devices (:-() and generates extra code for them. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 13:47:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21012 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:47:24 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21004 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:47:21 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA23405; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:47:18 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506122047.NAA23405@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? To: terry@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (Terry Lee) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506122035.AA04990@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> from "Terry Lee" at Jun 12, 95 03:35:54 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 549 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > According to the INSTALL file, 2.0.5R does not currently support > DOS file systems in extended DOS partitions. It also states that only > a little bit more work is needed. Is there any preliminary patch or hack > that I can try? Thanks for any suggestions. Actually we do. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 14:37:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA22322 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:37:28 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA22316 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:37:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01813; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:24:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199506122124.OAA01813@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:47:18 PDT." <199506122047.NAA23405@ref.tfs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1810.802992217.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:23:38 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Poul-Henning Kamp said: > > According to the INSTALL file, 2.0.5R does not currently support > > DOS file systems in extended DOS partitions. It also states that only > > a little bit more work is needed. Is there any preliminary patch or hack > > that I can try? Thanks for any suggestions. > > Actually we do. > Actually, it stop working a while back and I can't no longer mount my dos partition. My DOS disk does not have a BSD label. A while back Julian gave me a patch to synthetize a BSD label from a DOS label. It all work fine till a few weeks ago. I believe that Julian submitted his patch a while ago. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 14:41:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA22444 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:41:02 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA22438 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:59 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA23638; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:49 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506122140.OAA23638@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506122124.OAA01813@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 12, 95 02:23:38 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 987 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > [extended DOS parts] > > Actually, it stop working a while back and I can't no longer mount > my dos partition. My DOS disk does not have a BSD label. A while > back Julian gave me a patch to synthetize a BSD label from a DOS label. > It all work fine till a few weeks ago. I believe that Julian submitted > his patch a while ago. Amancio, in a friendly and constructive manner I'd like to suggest you RTFM/RTFS before you start confusing people more than needed. It works, it works well, all you have to do is mount /dev/wd0s5 for instance. You cannot represent your MSDOS slices in your BSD disklabel, because that's not the way to do it anymore. Any partition which would be outside the BSD slice is ignored. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 14:45:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA22660 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:45:50 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA22653 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:45:42 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.4/8.7.Beta.3) with SMTP id RAA01001 for < hackers@freefall.cdrom.com>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506122145.RAA01001@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 17:45:29 EDT From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Reply-To: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Problem with 2940 SOLVED Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Guess what the problem was. Dead SIMM. It must have been a pretty particular SIMM because of that 1 particular bit that would get changed all the time, but pulling out the SIMMs and putting in a new set solved the problem. I am even able to run with full caching going and 10 MB/s transfer rate on the 2940. That is the strangest problem I've ever seen but I'm glad it is now solved and that I am not, in fact, bordering on insanity :-) Thanks for everyone who gave me suggestions on what could be the problem. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 14:50:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA22871 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:50:37 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA22864 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:50:36 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14428(3)>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:49:43 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00769; Mon, 12 Jun 95 17:49:55 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02517; Mon, 12 Jun 95 17:53:10 EDT Message-Id: <9506122153.AA02517@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LWP, anyone? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:50:22 PDT." <9506121950.AA23582@cs.weber.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:53:10 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I've been using the MIT pthreads package on linux and am > > quite impressed. > > > > This seems to be the direction to go in... > > > > This is not a pthreads competitor. > > This is an API compatability issue for many, many SunOS 4.x (x>1) > applications. > > Which applications use the sun LWP package? I learned it and found it useless since no thread can block in a system call... marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 16:05:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA07113 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:05:17 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07087 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:05:11 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa03113; 13 Jun 95 0:03 +0100 Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa18451; 13 Jun 95 0:03 +0100 Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (3.1/3.1) id OAA00725; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:48:46 +0100 From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199506121348.OAA00725@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: DAT drive advice needed To: Torbjorn Granlund Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:48:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, sef@cygnus.com In-Reply-To: <199506112111.VAA15317@insanus.matematik.su.se> from "Torbjorn Granlund" at Jun 11, 95 11:11:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2239 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, I bought a complete system where almost every component had some > problem, and I had to return both the SCSI controller and the Graphics card > to get properly working ones. After all that headache, the system now works > great. The combination Pentium90/Triton/QuantumGPS/FreeBSD 2.0.5- actually > makes the fastest system I have ever used! > > It is time to get a DAT drive, and I'd like to avoid to get another lemon. > > I'd like to get a high-quaility DAT drive, and I need to send tapes to > people and recieve tapes from people. The HP drives vary in capacity a lot, > but the prices are within a few hundred dollars. So, from that perspective, > I'd get the 16 Gb drive, for just $1000 at NCA. > > But will FreeBSD and the drive be able to write tapes that most older DAT > drives will be able to read? If not, what drives will allow me to ship > tapes to others? > > Torbjorn > Im not an expert on this, but heres what I remember from when I was looking into this 12 months or so ago. There are 2 DAT encoding formats - DDS1 (or just DDS) and DDS2. I believe DDS2 drives can also read/write DDS1. The reasons why the drives vary in capacity are: 1. A drive is capable of DDS2, which can store more per inch of tape than DDS1. 2. Different length tapes are used. With DDS1 recording, 60m typically gets you 1.3Gb, 90m gets you 2.0Gb. I believe DDS2 will let you roughly double that. There are also 120m tapes for use in DDS2 drives which you need for 16Gb. 3. Compression - on drives that have it, it can be turned on & off via both hardware and software. In short I believe any top of the range DAT can read any tapes, and write any tapes. If you want your tapes to be readable by the largest number of people, you should use the lowest common denominator, which is probably DDS1 encoding, no compression, 60m tapes. This is from memory, if its wrong, Im sure someone will correct it :) -- ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 16:45:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA08503 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:45:14 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA08496 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:45:08 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA29912 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:44:17 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199506122344.AA29912@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: binaries in 2.0.5-RELEASE source dist To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:44:16 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506121918.AA21179@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 12, 95 01:18:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 329 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I've noticed binaries (.o files, etc) in the following places in the >> 2.0.5-RELEASE source dist: >> >> sys/i386/boot/*/ >> lkm/ > > Well, the ones in this dir are *supposed* to be there. They weren't in the 2.0.5-ALPHA source. Are they really in the CVS tree? I thought putting binaries there was not allowed. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 17:03:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA08911 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:03:47 -0700 Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com (ix7.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08905 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:03:46 -0700 Received: from by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA05455; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:02:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:02:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199506130002.RAA05455@ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: pvinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra) Subject: 2.0.5 install - non-destructive To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How can I do a "non-destructive" upgrade from 2.0R to 2.0.5? I was thinking about the following: pull in the sources, recompile, Backup to tape, make fs changes, Restore from tape. Will this work, or do the filesystem changes preclude this? Is there an easier way? Thanks, Paul From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 17:07:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA09074 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:07:06 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA09068 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:07:05 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12322; Mon, 12 Jun 95 18:00:12 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506130000.AA12322@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 18:00:11 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506121930.NAA04902@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jun 12, 95 01:30:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > : They are called mailboxes, and they look kinda like a named pipe, get > : a set of VMS programmers manuals (about 6 3" volumes) and look it up :-). > > My copy of the OpenVMS I/O User's Reference Manual has them in chapter > 4, if that helps. Look up "Allocate Event Flag Cluster" while you are there in the system services manual. VMS is just as scatter-brained as everything else. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 17:07:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA09135 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:07:57 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09129 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:07:50 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950612-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id JAA05256; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:07:39 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950612-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id JAA25547; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:07:07 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA13850; Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:07:06 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sLJcP-0004FxC; Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:14 JST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:03:06 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9506130003.AA08374@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5R, usr/src/release/libdisk/dkcksum.c missing? References: <199506121254.AA13921@physics.su.oz.au> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I grabbed the source distribution for FB 2.0.5R. I wanted to rebuild sysinstall and found that I had no dkcksum.c in the usr/src/release/libdisk/ directory. Where can I get it from? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 17:15:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA09428 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:15:38 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA09422 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:15:37 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12874; Mon, 12 Jun 95 18:07:32 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506130007.AA12874@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: LWP, anyone? To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 18:07:31 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506122153.AA02517@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 12, 95 02:53:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ ... LWP ... ] ] > This is not a pthreads competitor. ] > ] > This is an API compatability issue for many, many SunOS 4.x (x>1) ] > applications. ] > ] > ] Which applications use the sun LWP package? ] ] I learned it and found it useless since no thread can block in ] a system call... The ones in the internals classes at Weber, for one. 8-). There are several commercial products (Sybase?) that use the async I/O that comes part-and-parcel with the changes (it was added for LWP). There are several multiuser daemons that use it to (one http server that you'd have to talk to someone besides me [ie: actually at Weber] about). The async I/O is probably the bix win, but since cooperative tasking and register state save also find some of the components useful, it might as well go in as the whole ball of wax (considering it's free). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 17:25:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA09652 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:25:46 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09646 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:25:45 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA00665 ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:25:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5R, usr/src/release/libdisk/dkcksum.c missing? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:03:06 +0200." <9506130003.AA08374@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: <663.803003128@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <9506130003.AA08374@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp>, Masahiro SEKIGUCH I writes: >I grabbed the source distribution for FB 2.0.5R. I wanted to rebuild >sysinstall and found that I had no dkcksum.c in the >usr/src/release/libdisk/ directory. >Where can I get it from? /usr/src/sbin/disklabel/dkcksum.c sysinstall ( & libdisk) rely quite a bit on stuff outside the /usr/src/release areas :-( Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 17:32:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA09865 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:32:46 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09855 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:32:38 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950612-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id JAA08925; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:32:28 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950612-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id JAA00948; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:31:56 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA15005; Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:31:55 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sLK0R-0004FiC; Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:38 JST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:27:55 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9506130027.AA08431@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: Terry Lee Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? References: <199506122035.AA04990@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > According to the INSTALL file, 2.0.5R does not currently support >DOS file systems in extended DOS partitions. It is working on my machine. I just did: mount -t msdos /dev/sd0s5 /dos2 I guess what INSTALL wants to say is that sysinstall doesn't mount DOS extended partitions while installing the system. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 18:32:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA17871 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:32:29 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA17843 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:32:23 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA03172; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:31:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506130131.SAA03172@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R, usr/src/release/libdisk/dkcksum.c missing? To: seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Masahiro SEKIGUCHI) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506130003.AA08374@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> from "Masahiro SEKIGUCHI" at Jun 13, 95 09:03:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 623 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I grabbed the source distribution for FB 2.0.5R. I wanted to rebuild > sysinstall and found that I had no dkcksum.c in the > usr/src/release/libdisk/ directory. > > Where can I get it from? Arghh.. I don't know, it is NOT in the cvs repository, Jordan probably forgot to commit it!!!! SHIT!! Gary, Poul, if you find this file point me at it so I can get it in with the proper tags and add it to the ``patch set'' you are doing for 2.0.5R source code bugs... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 18:33:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA18225 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:33:32 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18206 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:33:29 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA03181; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:33:03 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506130133.SAA03181@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R, usr/src/release/libdisk/dkcksum.c missing? To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <663.803003128@westhill.cdrom.com> from "Gary Palmer" at Jun 12, 95 05:25:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 778 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > In message <9506130003.AA08374@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp>, Masahiro SEKIGUCH > I writes: > >I grabbed the source distribution for FB 2.0.5R. I wanted to rebuild > >sysinstall and found that I had no dkcksum.c in the > >usr/src/release/libdisk/ directory. > > >Where can I get it from? > > /usr/src/sbin/disklabel/dkcksum.c > > sysinstall ( & libdisk) rely quite a bit on stuff outside the > /usr/src/release areas :-( Never mind my last mail.. I should have seen the: VPATH= ${.CURDIR}/../../sbin/disklabel in the Makefile when I was looking... DAHHHH.. pass me the hat, not enough sleep lately.... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 19:30:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA00816 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:30:21 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA00794 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:30:19 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA03660; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:17:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199506130217.TAA03660@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:48 PDT." <199506122140.OAA23638@ref.tfs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:17:37 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Poul-Henning Kamp said: > > [extended DOS parts] > > > > Actually, it stop working a while back and I can't no longer mount > > my dos partition. My DOS disk does not have a BSD label. A while > > back Julian gave me a patch to synthetize a BSD label from a DOS label. > > It all work fine till a few weeks ago. I believe that Julian submitted > > his patch a while ago. > > Amancio, in a friendly and constructive manner I'd like to suggest you > RTFM/RTFS before you start confusing people more than needed. > > It works, it works well, all you have to do is mount /dev/wd0s5 for instance . I am curious where is this slice stuff documented. On my system, which I suped and "make world" on saturday. MAKEDEV does not create a /dev/wd0s5 so I created one. When I tried mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s5 , the system claims that the device is not configured. Fine, so I went down the list till /dev/wd0s1 which seems to work on my system over here. This is what I have on my system: brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 131074 Jun 12 18:56 /dev/wd0s1 brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 196610 Jun 12 18:56 /dev/wd0s2 brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262146 Jun 12 18:56 /dev/wd0s3 brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 327682 Jun 12 18:56 /dev/wd0s4 brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 393218 Jun 12 18:56 /dev/wd0s5 Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 20:06:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20648 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:06:56 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA20642 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:06:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: David Dawes cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@xfree86.org Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up In-Reply-To: <199506121308.AA14072@physics.su.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, David Dawes wrote: > > I've been experiencing a problem with the FreeBSD 2.0-Alpha > >distribution of XFree86. I am currently up to the lastest FreeBSD > >-current along with a new kernel but for some reason, when I use startx, > >the whole machine will lock up after a short period of time. I am using > >a ASUS P54TP4 P5-90 motherboard based on the Intel Triton chipset with > >the Diamond SpeedStar Plus Hi-Color 16-bit Video Card. Does anyone have > >any suggestions what I can do to find out if it is the video card causing > >the problem since I've already pulled out all other cards and under > >Microsoft windows, it locks up occasionally after I switch the drivers > >but if I was using the TurboWindows drivers, it would lock up > >immediately. This setup has worked fine when I was using other motherboards > > Check the ISA bus timings in the BIOS/chipset setup. I think these > are the 8-bit I/O and 16-bit I/O settings (or something similar) for > the above board. Also, check if the card has any wait-state or "turbo" > jumpers. If that doesn't help, I'd conclude that the card and motherboard > are incompatible -- since the problem occurs only for that motherboard, > and in both Windows and XFree86. Hmmm, I changed the BUS Timing from the default of 3 to the max of 4 for the 16bit I/O and from the default of 3 to the max of 8 for the 16 bit I/O. As for the card's own jumpers, I tried both Normal Bus Timing and Alternate Bus Timing and also Tried 16 bit BIOS Access On with Turbo Bios Access and Turbo Display Memory Access both on and off but no luck. I think I may need to get that Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM but it seems everyone is selling the OEM version which has a slower ramdac than the regular retail 220Mhz version. If I get that board, will I be able to use it at all under the VGA or SVGA servers before the S3968 support is in? Also, any comments on the ATI WinTurbo or the Graphics Turbo? Are they basically the same card or is the only difference on the Graphics Turbo is that it is upgradeable to 4MB? As for performance and support under XFree86, will either of them perform as good or better than the Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM and is there support for the 32bpp on this card? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 20:09:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA20777 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:09:16 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA20771 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:09:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: David Dawes cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, XFree86@xfree86.org Subject: Re: XFree86 locking up In-Reply-To: <199506121313.AA14191@physics.su.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, David Dawes wrote: > >> > > Which Alt-Fn bindings? > >> > > >> > Well, with FVWM, these are the defined keys, it worked in the > >> > XFree86 v3.1.1 and v3.1 but not the one from FreeBSD 2.0.5R... Here is > >> > the part from my .fvwmrc file: > >> > >> Do you get all desired events when tracking them with `xev'? > > > > Not sure since if X locks up like within a minute, there is no > >way I can run xev, what are events anyways? > > If X is up long enough to tell that the keys don't work as expected you > should be able to run xev. Events include things like key up/down > strokes, so you should be able to see if the Alt and Fn keys are being > passed on by the server. Hmmm, the funny thing is that the 3.1.1 binaries worked fine but with the new binaries for FreeBSD for XFree86, it just shows like ~8 when I hit Alt-Fn keys... Any ideas what happened? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:11:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21941 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:11:53 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21934 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:11:39 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00796; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:10:53 +0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:10:52 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Bill Fenner cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Minor nits about bindist... In-Reply-To: <95Jun12.112240pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, Bill Fenner wrote: > > My machine has two IP addresses. Which one do I put in $ipaddr? The first modification I made doesn't support that (as Rodney pointed out). All my machines answer on only one IP address on a single interface, so I didn't take any special considerations for multihomed hosts. > I might go for > > ipaddr_ed0="13.0.208.200" > ipaddr_de0="192.168.128.1" Yes, this is "expanded" version I sent to Rodney for his perusal. It fits in quite nicely with the $blah_${if_name} convention used elsewhere in /etc/netstart, although I haven't been able to try it out on my own systems. > and I do think that the multicast route should use an IP address > instead of a name, as you might want your multicast route to point out > a different interface than your primary name. But I also think it's > definitely 2.1 material. Yeah, it's a little late for 2.0.5 now. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:22:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22320 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:22:05 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA22313 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:22:03 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA24763; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:21:59 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506130421.VAA24763@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506130217.TAA03660@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 12, 95 07:17:37 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 670 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I am curious where is this slice stuff documented. > On my system, which I suped and "make world" on saturday. > MAKEDEV does not create a /dev/wd0s5 so I created one. When I tried > mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s5 , the system claims that the device is not > configured. Fine, so I went down the list till /dev/wd0s1 which seems to work > on my system over here. wd0s1 isn't an extended DOS partition. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:30:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22599 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:30:08 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA22593 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:30:06 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05044; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:17:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199506130417.VAA05044@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:21:59 PDT." <199506130421.VAA24763@ref.tfs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:17:25 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Poul-Henning Kamp said: > > I am curious where is this slice stuff documented. > > On my system, which I suped and "make world" on saturday. > > MAKEDEV does not create a /dev/wd0s5 so I created one. When I tried > > mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s5 , the system claims that the device is not > > configured. Fine, so I went down the list till /dev/wd0s1 which seems to work > > on my system over here. > > wd0s1 isn't an extended DOS partition. > # mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s1 /dos rah# Jun 12 21:16:29 rah /kernel: wd0s1: type 0x6, start 35, end = 243879, size 243845 : OK Jun 12 21:16:29 rah /kernel: wd0s1: type 0x6, start 35, end = 243879, size 243845 : OK rah# ls /dos 0setup.tmp config.01 foo.bat nackexp.zip sw32.env 1280.reg config.16s foo.cfg nbwin talisman 801.205 config.8s foo.s3 net.com task.lst a.bat config.bak football.2mb oemsetup.inf tasm Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:31:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22696 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:31:17 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA22675 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:31:15 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14216; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:31:13 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA20096 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:31:11 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA06418 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:11:11 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506130411.GAA06418@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: `device' versus `disk' in kernel config file To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:11:11 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506122040.GAA27564@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 13, 95 06:40:18 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1037 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > >What exactly is the difference between saying: > > > device sd0 > > device st0 > > >and > > > disk sd0 > > tape st0 > > >in a kernel config file? > > The latter wouldn't work. In general, `disk's are attached to controllers > and `devices's are stand-alone. `device sd0' would give little more than > a file "sd.h" with `#define NSD 1" in it, except config/mkioconf.c knows > that the devices cd, ch, sd, st and uk are scsi devices (:-() and generates > extra code for them. Perhaps the rules should be generalized, and we should people require to configure their scsi devices like: disk sd0 on scbus? tape st0 on scbus? when referring to the `generic' devices? This would config allow to forget about the extra knowledge to know all SCSI device by name. disk sd? on scbus? might be even better, but i guess it's beyond the current syntax. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:31:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22709 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:31:19 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA22686 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:31:16 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14221; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:31:14 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA20099 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:31:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA06476 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:16:21 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506130416.GAA06476@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:16:21 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506130217.TAA03660@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 12, 95 07:17:37 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 864 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Amancio Hasty wrote: > > I am curious where is this slice stuff documented. At least, there are notes in sysinstalls help files. I've translated them into German, that's why i know of them. :-) > On my system, which I suped and "make world" on saturday. > MAKEDEV does not create a /dev/wd0s5 so I created one. When I tried > mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s5 , the system claims that the device is not > configured. Fine, so I went down the list till /dev/wd0s1 which seems to work > on my system over here. It's impossible to MAKEDEV all possible slices on all possible controllers (and all possible BSD partition letters on all poss... you get the picture). Bruce can certainly shade a light on the other problem. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:39:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA23266 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:39:45 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23260 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:39:42 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00863; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:39:04 +0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:39:02 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Evan Champion cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 SOLVED In-Reply-To: <199506122145.RAA01001@sentinel.synapse.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, Evan Champion wrote: > > Guess what the problem was. > > Dead SIMM. Sounds like a problem I had with one of my machines when I first installed 2.0.5-ALPHA on it. It was a brand new motherboard, but I was getting random crashes and kernel panics while installing. The master partition editor screen had an extra '0' printed in one character cell, while the colour dialog screens did not. I couldn't figure out what was causing the problem, because an identical machine sitting next to it breezed through the install. After I inspected the motherboard, I noticed the metal clips that hold a SIMM in place were broken, and the SIMM (although held in place) was wobbly. Exchanged the motherboard the next day and all the problems disappeared. Bad contacts can cause weird stuff. Reminds me of Apple's field maintenance suggestion for their Apple III's: life the computer about a foot above a hard, flat surface, then drop. Reseat chips as necessary. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 21:46:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA23825 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:46:05 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23819 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:46:03 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA24872; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:46:01 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506130446.VAA24872@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Extended DOS partition support? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506130417.VAA05044@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 12, 95 09:17:25 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1278 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >>> Poul-Henning Kamp said: > > > I am curious where is this slice stuff documented. > > > On my system, which I suped and "make world" on saturday. > > > MAKEDEV does not create a /dev/wd0s5 so I created one. When I tried > > > mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s5 , the system claims that the device is not > > > configured. Fine, so I went down the list till /dev/wd0s1 which seems to > work > > > on my system over here. > > > > wd0s1 isn't an extended DOS partition. > > > > # mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s1 /dos > rah# Jun 12 21:16:29 rah /kernel: wd0s1: type 0x6, start 35, end = 243879, > size 243845 : OK > Jun 12 21:16:29 rah /kernel: wd0s1: type 0x6, start 35, end = 243879, size > 243845 : OK > > rah# ls /dos > 0setup.tmp config.01 foo.bat nackexp.zip sw32.env Amancio, there is a subtle difference between "a DOS partition" and "an extended DOS partition" that you are obviously not aware of. But it works, so just enjoy it. you can read about it in the docs. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 22:36:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10247 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:36:30 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10190 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:36:25 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA05290; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:30:53 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506130530.WAA05290@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 SOLVED To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 13, 95 12:39:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1554 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, Evan Champion wrote: > > > > Guess what the problem was. > > > > Dead SIMM. > > Sounds like a problem I had with one of my machines when I first > installed 2.0.5-ALPHA on it. It was a brand new motherboard, but I > was getting random crashes and kernel panics while installing. The > master partition editor screen had an extra '0' printed in one > character cell, while the colour dialog screens did not. I couldn't > figure out what was causing the problem, because an identical machine > sitting next to it breezed through the install. > > After I inspected the motherboard, I noticed the metal clips that > hold a SIMM in place were broken, and the SIMM (although held in > place) was wobbly. Exchanged the motherboard the next day and all the > problems disappeared. Bad contacts can cause weird stuff. Reminds me > of Apple's field maintenance suggestion for their Apple III's: life > the computer about a foot above a hard, flat surface, then drop. > Reseat chips as necessary. ;-) As a person who has been around the computer manufacturing business for most of my life working with every thing from silicon processes to final system testing I have found that over 80% of all computer eletronic failures can be traced to ``conection failure'' weither it be at the micron level inside a chip, or macro level from a cable left unplugged :-) :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jun 12 22:37:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10598 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:37:16 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10473 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:37:01 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01088; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:35:27 +0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:35:26 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Paul Vinciguerra cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5 install - non-destructive In-Reply-To: <199506130002.RAA05455@ix7.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jun 1995, Paul Vinciguerra wrote: > > pull in the sources, > recompile, > Backup to tape, > make fs changes, > Restore from tape. > > Will this work, or do the filesystem changes preclude this? That'll work, as long as you do a file dump and not a raw disk block dump. Before I upgraded, I moved my /usr/X11R6 and /usr/local filesystems to the NFS server and reformatted all the FreeBSD drives. It's a good idea to keep your local changes to one or two filesystems (thus /usr/local or /usr/contrib) so doing major OS upgrades is relatively painless. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 00:00:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA01270 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:00:11 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA01209 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:59:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA00474 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:00:30 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506130800.NAA00474@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: kvm_getprocs: KINFO_... or KERN_... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:00:29 +0500 (GMT+0500) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 613 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have found recently an inconsistence in kvm_getprocs(). Manpage says that its arguments are KINFO_... and that required headers are and . But really its arguments are named KERN_... and header is . I'm running 950210-SNAP. This manpage is absolutely exact for BSDI and I spent some time to found this inconsistence when compiling a program from BSDI. So may be we need to create and define KINFO_* for compatibility reasons ? Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 00:00:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA01376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:00:53 -0700 Received: from cycle.Stanford.EDU (hlew@cycle.Stanford.EDU [36.159.0.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA01103 ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:59:11 -0700 Received: by cycle.Stanford.EDU; id AA19882; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:59:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: bugs@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.05R panics on boot Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just tried the new (second 2.05R) boot.flp, and it still panics with the same message on bootup after the PCI probe is completed. panic: cannot mount root syncing disks... done Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort I didn't get any replies on the first post, so here it is again. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: bugs@freebsd.org Subject: 2.05 Release I just ftped the 2.05 release and tried the install, and the installation process went well. But when I rebooted, the system would not boot up. Here's the system I tested it on: 386DX-40, 387 Cyrix MPU, 8MB RAM, 850MB (wd0) with Ontrack DM, and 540MB (wd1). The 850MB has DOS with dynamic drive overlay from Ontrack DM. I was planning on installing 2.05R on the 540MB Conner (entire disk). So after reset, it tries to boot up. I see the usual Ontrack DM overlay stuff, and then it says to press space for floppy boot. It never asks for F1-Disk 1 or F5-Disk 2. (Hmmm... This is strange because the SNAP releases didn't seem to have this boot selection problem. That boot manager seemed to always work fine). If I insert my 2.05 boot.flp disk, and enter hd(1,a)/kernel, it starts booting from wd1. And everything looks good until it finishes probing npx (no immediate problem after the probe). Then it tries probing the PCI stuff. (Yes it really probes for PCI stuff on my 386), and after it finishes the probe, it says: panic: cannot mount root syncing disks... done Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort ----------------------------------------------------------- I redid the installation several times, and here are some additional observations: * If disabled the cache on my 386 motherboard and also disabled the 387, the system no longer probes for the PCI stuff... But then panics with the same message after the NPX probe. * The system panics regardless of whether or not I disable the NPX probe. * I tried disabling practically all the devices except the floppy drive, hard drives, lpt0, and sio1 with no effect -- still panics. * If I go through the installation program and finish the installation, I can use ALT-F4 to see everything on my wd1 drive. There appears to be no problems mounting partions from wd1, but it just can't do it from the hard disk kernel. * The boot.flp kernel does not seem to panic (but then again it is mounting root from mfs). * If I use Ontrack DM 6.03a and set the DOS partition active (I don't know why it became inactive), the system prompts for F1-Disk 1 and F5-Disk 2. But at that prompt, if I choose F1, I get DOS. And if I choose F5, I also get DOS (so they are still booting from wd0 which is my DOS drive). * In the installation... If I choose wd1 and do the partition, and then do the disklabel to mount the partitions, I never see the R flag as mentioned in the help info for Partitions. The CA>= flags do appear, but I never see the R flag appear. Could this be the cause of the problems? * The time zone setting doesn't seem to work (maybe old news sorry). Well, sorry this is kind of out of order. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really would like to get this 2.05R system humming... Thanks in advance for any help. --------------- Some good stuff I noticed fixed: * Help info is there * Many install bugs gone * PPP over a 115200 serial cable link never hangs anymore * no errors in bin extractions From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 00:13:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02582 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:13:15 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA02574 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:13:09 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA24206; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:40:39 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506130710.QAA24206@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2.05R panics on boot To: hlew@cycle.Stanford.EDU (Howard Lew) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:40:39 +0930 (CST) Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Howard Lew" at Jun 12, 95 11:59:10 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1908 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howard Lew stands accused of saying: > > I just tried the new (second 2.05R) boot.flp, and it still panics with > the same message on bootup after the PCI probe is completed. > So after reset, it tries to boot up. I see the usual Ontrack DM overlay > stuff, and then it says to press space for floppy boot. It never asks > for F1-Disk 1 or F5-Disk 2. (Hmmm... This is strange because the SNAP > releases didn't seem to have this boot selection problem. That boot > manager seemed to always work fine). Um. This sort of implies that your BIOS is set to boot from harddisk first, and then floppy. This is extremely ungood, if it is the case. > * If I use Ontrack DM 6.03a and set the DOS partition active (I don't > know why it became inactive), the system prompts for F1-Disk 1 and > F5-Disk 2. But at that prompt, if I choose F1, I get DOS. And if I > choose F5, I also get DOS (so they are still booting from wd0 which is my > DOS drive). This smells _awfully_ like you have DM coming in too early and trying to be "smart". > * In the installation... If I choose wd1 and do the partition, and then > do the disklabel to mount the partitions, I never see the R flag as > mentioned in the help info for Partitions. The CA>= flags do appear, but > I never see the R flag appear. Could this be the cause of the problems? I've never seen the 'R' flag either 8) Dike out the 850 and reconfigure the second disk as the first & try booting from it. This will rule out DM as a possible cause of trauma. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 00:57:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA09528 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:57:04 -0700 Received: from risc6.unisa.ac.za (risc6.unisa.ac.za [163.200.97.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA09512 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:57:00 -0700 Received: by risc6.unisa.ac.za (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19706; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:02:53 +0200 From: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za (A. Radovanovic) Message-Id: <9506130702.AA19706@risc6.unisa.ac.za> Subject: HP router problem To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:02:52 +0200 (USAST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1151 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I#v just bought the HP AdvanceStack Router Series 400. I configured the router as follows: - To connect to the other side I use 64 Kbps synchronous line - The other side has the Novell multiprotocol router running PPP. - I used the Quick configuration menu in which I specified: my IP and netmask, and WAN1 IP and WAN1 netmask. The protocol is set to PPP. - The other parameters are set to default. The problem is that routers exchange some data, but it seems to me it is below the PPP protocol, so we can't reach each other. I wonder, is it possible that the default PPP configuration for Novell PPP and Packard's PPP is different. What else must I change? Can anybody help me? Alex ----------------------------+--------------------------------- Aleksandar Radovanovic + University of South Africa + Mail: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za Dept. of Computer Science + radova@osprey.unisa.ac.za P.O.Box 392 + WWW: http://osprey.unisa.ac.za Pretoria 0001 + Tel. (27) 12/429-6034 South Africa + Fax. (27) 12/429-6361 ----------------------------+--------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 01:03:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA10967 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:03:19 -0700 Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA10707 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:02:24 -0700 Received: (sakr@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id MAA04247; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:01:53 +0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:01:53 +0400 From: "Serge A. Krashakov" Message-Id: <199506130801.MAA04247@itp.ac.ru> To: hackers@freebsd.org, question@freebsd.org Subject: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, all! We want to buy several comuters (like a Pentium-90 PC) as graphical workstation and also for multimedia and videoconferences. We want to install FreeBSD on it. Could anybody advise me for a best choice of videoadapter and audio card for this purpose. What cards for video input (from videocamera) does FreeBSD support now (in 2.0.5-RELEASE) or will support in the near future (in 2.1-RELEASE, for example) ? Sincerely yours, Serge Krashakov From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 01:55:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA20224 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:55:02 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA19987 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:54:11 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43394>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:52:19 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA06425 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:21:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:21:05 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506121721.TAA06425@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Web Pages Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Suggestion: Should we copy the www.freebsd.org web pages into src/ (or ports/ if we dont want to bloat src/ ) ? Then we'd all have local ref. & demo & test pages ready wherever FreeBSD gets installed, I know it'd be a bit out of date when it gets frozen to cdrom, but those who ctm/sup current would be up to date, & it's similar to what hylafax does for example: There is a master web site for hylafax web pages, but for all the many folk who only have dial up IP, the hylafax generic distribution tar.gz also contains a frozen copy of web pages. Julian S jhs@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 02:28:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA26056 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:28:27 -0700 Received: from prinny.pavilion.co.uk (prinny.pavilion.co.uk [193.131.160.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA26040 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:28:23 -0700 Received: from line03.gunn-du.pavilion.co.uk (line03.gunn-du.pavilion.co.uk [193.131.160.100]) by prinny.pavilion.co.uk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA01671; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:28:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:28:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199506130928.KAA01671@prinny.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: aledm@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: aledm@pavilion.co.uk (Aled Morris) Subject: Re: A day in the life of wcarchive.. Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 07 Jun 1995, "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: >Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files >------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ >.3/FreeBSD 9,731,392 K 37,870 36.2 27.3 [...] >P.S. If it's like this for an ALPHA, just imagine what 2.0.5R release >day will look like! :-) So, what did 2.0.5R release day look like? :-) Aled -- telephone +44 973 207987 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 02:43:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA28184 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:43:35 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA28160 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:43:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA01560; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:14:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Masahiro SEKIGUCHI), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5R, usr/src/release/libdisk/dkcksum.c missing? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:31:54 PDT." <199506130131.SAA03172@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:14:10 +0100 Message-ID: <1558.803027650@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Arghh.. I don't know, it is NOT in the cvs repository, Jordan probably > forgot to commit it!!!! SHIT!! Rod, you really need to calm down! It's right in front of your nose, and Gary already pointed it out to Masahiro-san. Now go take a walk around the block and stop using profanity in -hackers! Thank you! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 02:58:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA29927 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:58:07 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA29921 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:58:05 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA07918; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:58:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA00429; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:58:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199506130958.CAA00429@corbin.Root.COM> To: aledm@pavilion.co.uk (Aled Morris) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A day in the life of wcarchive.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jun 95 10:28:02 BST." <199506130928.KAA01671@prinny.pavilion.co.uk> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:57:58 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 07 Jun 1995, "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > >>Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files >>------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ >>.3/FreeBSD 9,731,392 K 37,870 36.2 27.3 >[...] >>P.S. If it's like this for an ALPHA, just imagine what 2.0.5R release >>day will look like! :-) > >So, what did 2.0.5R release day look like? :-) Archive Stats, DAILY Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ .3/FreeBSD 18,284,350 K 85,463 48.5 39.5 .5/linux 6,444,142 K 41,023 17.1 18.9 ...note that the announcement was made in the afternoon, so the above is really only 12 hours worth. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 03:15:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA03563 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:15:55 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA03472 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:15:29 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00416; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT From: Root Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT Message-Id: <199506131410.OAA00416@ns.aic.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Privet Serge, kak dela? Na segodnyashniy den FreeBSD NE podderzhivaet Graphic input devices. Hotya est nadezhda chto budet :-). Est konechno vozmozhnost importirovat s drugih mashin (pcwin, mac, sun, indy) no togda zachem freebsd? :-) Yours, -edd Edgar Der-Danieliantz, Senior Expert/Advisor, AIC. PS THE ABOVE TEXT IS IN RUSSIAN :-). If you can't read it, just ignore it :-). From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 03:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA05162 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:22:26 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA05000 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:21:55 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00416; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT From: Root Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT Message-Id: <199506131410.OAA00416@ns.aic.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Privet Serge, kak dela? Na segodnyashniy den FreeBSD NE podderzhivaet Graphic input devices. Hotya est nadezhda chto budet :-). Est konechno vozmozhnost importirovat s drugih mashin (pcwin, mac, sun, indy) no togda zachem freebsd? :-) Yours, -edd Edgar Der-Danieliantz, Senior Expert/Advisor, AIC. PS THE ABOVE TEXT IS IN RUSSIAN :-). If you can't read it, just ignore it :-). From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 03:25:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA05997 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:25:34 -0700 Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [192.216.191.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA05983 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:25:30 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA16782 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:26:19 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA01741 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.cdrom.com; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:25:07 +0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:25:07 +0800 From: Brian Tao Message-Id: <199506131025.SAA01741@aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: FreeBSD 2.0.5 <-> IRIX 5.2/6.0.1 print queue Organization: Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica Apparently-To: freebsd-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There is a departmental LaserJet 4P printer connected to an Indigo^2 with the Impressario 1.2 drivers. Getting other Irises on the network to talk to the printer is easy. I would like to configure our multitude of FreeBSD 2.0.5 workstations to use that network printer as well. /etc/printcap on the FreeBSD machines has one entry: hp4|iris4|Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 4P:\ :lp=:rm=iris4:rp=hp4:sd=/var/spool/output/hp4:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs: It doesn't complain when I print to "hp4", but lpq shows the job is never actually spooled to the server, and I see: IRIS4: /usr/etc/lpd: hp4: unknown printer According to lpstat -d on iris4, "hp4" is a valid printer and the IRIS Print Manager confirms this. The /etc/printcap on iris4 doesn't list the hp4 though, so I'm not sure how it knows the default printer is supposed to be the HP. Anyhow, the printed 4.3BSD Line Printer Spooler Manual doesn't talk about this and I don't have anything more recent on hand. IRIS Insight only mentions connecting the SGI to other SGI's. I'm aware of the traditional obstacle facing SysV-BSD printer sharing, but never really investigated why this is so. Are there any workable solutions now for connecting BSD boxes to a SysV print server? The best I can do right now is a kludgy shell script that replaces the /usr/bin/lp binary and basically pipes the file (or stdin) to the print server via an rsh. As far as I'm concerned, this is just a band-aid solution until I figure out a real one. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 05:08:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA27994 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:08:01 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA27977 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:07:58 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id IAA04194; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:07:02 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506131207.IAA04194@hda.com> Subject: Re: `device' versus `disk' in kernel config file To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:07:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199506130411.GAA06418@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 13, 95 06:11:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2269 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > > As Bruce Evans wrote: > > > > >What exactly is the difference between saying: > > > > > device sd0 > > > device st0 > > > > >and > > > > > disk sd0 > > > tape st0 > > > > >in a kernel config file? > > > > The latter wouldn't work. In general, `disk's are attached to controllers > > and `devices's are stand-alone. `device sd0' would give little more than > > a file "sd.h" with `#define NSD 1" in it, except config/mkioconf.c knows > > that the devices cd, ch, sd, st and uk are scsi devices (:-() and generates > > extra code for them. > > Perhaps the rules should be generalized, and we should people require > to configure their scsi devices like: > > disk sd0 on scbus? > tape st0 on scbus? > > when referring to the `generic' devices? This would config allow to > forget about the extra knowledge to know all SCSI device by name. > > disk sd? on scbus? > > might be even better, but i guess it's beyond the current syntax. I think "disk sd? at scbus?" will do something reasonable. Here is one of my configs for SCSI and this seems to work fine: > controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq 11 drq 5 vector ahaintr > controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 12 vector aicintr > > controller scbus0 at aha0 > controller scbus1 at aic0 > > disk sd0 at scbus0 target 0 > disk sd1 at scbus0 target 1 > disk sd2 at scbus0 target 3 > tape st1 at scbus0 target 6 > device cd0 at scbus0 target 2 > > device pt0 at scbus? > device sctarg0 at scbus? > device sctarg1 at scbus? > device worm0 at scbus? I was under the impression that "disk" is handled specially in order to generate potential mount and swap info, and then is treated like "device". I'm the guy who left "sd, cd, st, ..." special so that no one had to change their config files. Any new SCSI devices (worm, processor target, user written device, etc) have to use the "at scbus?" clause for the configuration to work properly. Note that you can now add a SCSI device without changing the config program since the "at scbus?" tells it what it needs to know. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 05:11:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA28882 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:11:18 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA28839 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:11:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199506131211.FAA28839@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA197885199; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:06:39 -0400 From: william pechter ILEX Subject: FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 problem To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:06:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199506122145.RAA01001@sentinel.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at Jun 12, 95 05:45:29 pm Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1030 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Guess what the problem was. > > Dead SIMM. > I've been there. Actually folks... for those out there who've been trying to help me with my problems since I went to the 486... Looks like the problem's been in the SCSI subsystem all along. I put in an IDE 500 meg drive and loaded FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 -- made world and all is happy. I just added my SCSI tape, CD and first disk -- and all still looks good. Looks like the problem (intemittant as hell) was something in the termination/terminator power area with the HP 97536's. I'm trying to get the docs on the drive jumpers -- HP's no help. But meanwhile -- I'm looking to work on getting 2.0.5 up as soon as I get a copy downloaded... (or my CD arrives.) Thanks again for all your help. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 05:59:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA15430 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:59:50 -0700 Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA15400 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:59:44 -0700 Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950612-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id VAA28303; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:59:36 +0900 Received: from fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX950612-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id VAA03880; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:59:05 +0900 Received: from sysrap by fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA21311; Tue, 13 Jun 95 21:59:04 +0900 Received: from seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by spad.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sLVfT-0005JJC; Tue, 13 Jun 95 22:06 JST Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 21:55:04 JST From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <9506131255.AA09384@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: Gary Palmer Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5R, usr/src/release/libdisk/dkcksum.c missing? References: <9506130003.AA08374@seki.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> <663.803003128@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >/usr/src/sbin/disklabel/dkcksum.c I find it. Thank you. >sysinstall ( & libdisk) rely quite a bit on stuff outside the >/usr/src/release areas :-( I don't think so. I think sysinstall MUST be under release directory. (I'm not sure about libdisk.) Moreover, I recommend to locate kzip under release, also. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 06:14:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA19055 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:14:14 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19047 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:14:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id JAA08549 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:16:57 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506131316.JAA08549@bronze.coil.com> Subject: 2.0.5R && telnet? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 430 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello I just installed 2.0.5R && X-Windows. Everything looks great, I would like to thank the core team for all there hard work. I'm useing user process ppp. I connect to my ISP with out any problems. I can FTP anywhere without any problems. When I try to telnet I just get an error. >open hostname, the returned error is "telnet: tcp/telnet: unknown service" what am I over looking? Thank You Eric - echet@coil.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 06:19:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20764 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:19:54 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20716 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:19:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00467; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:18:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Root cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:10:55 GMT." <199506131410.OAA00416@ns.aic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:18:02 +0100 Message-ID: <465.803049482@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > PS THE ABOVE TEXT IS IN RUSSIAN :-). If you can't read it, just ignore it :-) Not to be anglo-centric, but these lists are for english traffic ONLY. Please do not post anything to these lists if it's not in english! You're only wasting the majority of the subscriber's time and (in some cases) money. Thank you for your cooperation. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 06:52:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01336 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:52:32 -0700 Received: from Relay1.Austria.EU.net (relay1.Austria.EU.net [192.92.138.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA01308 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:52:27 -0700 From: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at) by Relay1.Austria.EU.net with SMTP id AA03903 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:52:19 +0200 Received: from atuhc16 by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA07855; Tue, 13 Jun 95 15:52:18 +0200 Message-Id: <9506131352.AA07855@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Received: by atuhc16 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06736; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:52:18 +0200 Subject: Slow networking with SMC Elite Ultra To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 15:52:17 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, first of all, as far as I can tell, everything works okay. But: I have two 486 boxes on the isolated piece of ether. I've set up networking between the boxes, and they see each other and communicate okay, but *very slowly*. The ether cards are SMC Elite Ultra's, 83-something, which used to be recognized as 8216 w/16 kB of RAM at 2.0R times, and are recognized as 8416 w/8 kB at 2.05A. They did work okay on 2.0R! Right now, my NFS read (cat something >/dev/null) runs at approximately 200 kBps, and FTP get is someplace between 200 and 450 kBps. These numbers seem rather low to me (NFS used to be ~670 kBps but FTP only 200-250 kBps, at 2.0R) What am I doing wrong? (sorry about to few details, I have no internet access from home) Thanks, (for all the great work so far, etc :) /Alby From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 07:05:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA05017 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:05:02 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA04924 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:04:51 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA27651; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:57:32 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:57:32 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506131357.XAA27651@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dufault@hda.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: `device' versus `disk' in kernel config file Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I think "disk sd? at scbus?" will do something reasonable. No, it gives NSD=0. Apparently "disk sd0 at scbus?" works better but this may just be due to the old mechanism. I don't know of any working examples with "?" in a device name >I was under the impression that "disk" is handled specially in >order to generate potential mount and swap info, and then is treated >like "device". This is controlled by in devices.i386. You can specify swap on cd0 but not on sio0 :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 07:08:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA06349 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:08:34 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA06263 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:08:17 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA28035; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:08:04 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199506131408.QAA28035@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Slow networking with SMC Elite Ultra To: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:08:04 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9506131352.AA07855@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> from "Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at" at Jun 13, 95 03:52:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have two 486 boxes on the isolated piece of ether. I've set > up networking between the boxes, and they see each other and > communicate okay, but *very slowly*. > > The ether cards are SMC Elite Ultra's, 83-something, which used to > be recognized as 8216 w/16 kB of RAM at 2.0R times, and are > recognized as 8416 w/8 kB at 2.05A. They did work okay on 2.0R! > I have also seen this on some of my machines (haven't checked all of them) They probe as: ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 11 maddr 0xd8000 msize 8192 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:be:12:95, type SMC8416C/SMC8416BT (16 bit) but I know they are 8216C. I haven't figured out what went wrong yet.:( -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 07:17:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA09496 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:17:41 -0700 Received: from husky.cslab.vt.edu (jaitken@cslab.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA09475 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:17:37 -0700 Received: (jaitken@localhost) by husky.cslab.vt.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id KAA08546 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:17:35 -0400 From: Jeff Aitken Message-Id: <199506131417.KAA08546@husky.cslab.vt.edu> Subject: 2.0.5R install notes To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1889 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk First, congrats to everyone who made the 2.0.5 release possible. The install was especially slick (even more so than the 2.0R one, which I though was pretty nice). I did encounter a couple thinsg worth mentioning: 1. I had some difficulty getting an MBR written correctly. I was previously running 2.0R, and the 2.0.5 install read the disklabel (or MBR, or whatever, I'm a little hazy on these ideas yet) and found my old partitions. Which seemed great at first because I was able to install 2.0.5 and retain my 300MB of stuff in /home without restoring the backups (just told it not to newfs that FS). But, after all was installed, I rebooted and got something like "partition out of reach of BIOS". I was able to stick in the boot floppy, then at the prompt tell it to boot from sd(0,a)/kernel and it worked fine. Well, I tried playing with fdisk, and disklabel, but to no avail -- again, I'm still not 100% sure how all this works. After a very frustrating hour or so, I just formatted the entire drive under DOS, then did a clean re-install of 2.0.5, and it worked like a charm. 2. Under 2.0R, the machine would not boot after a clean shutdown. I would get messages from the NCR driver (I have the NCR 53c810 SCSI card and a Micropolis 4110 Fast SCSI-2 drive) about some command failing, then stuff about inodes or symlinks, and I would have to turn the machine off. Whenever I rebooted and it actually had to go and clean the filesystems, there was no problem (ie, if I just cut the power off, and didn't 'shutdown -h now', I would get a normal reboot). I have no idea what was causing this; I believe there was some chatter in this mailling list about it awhile back. (Sanity check: I did try and force an fsck at boot time by changing /etc/rc, but that didn't help). Anyway, the problem has vanished (for me anyway) under 2.0.5R -- Jeff Aitken jaitken@vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 07:47:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA18436 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:47:42 -0700 Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA18378 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:47:35 -0700 Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id JAA22323; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:47:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:47:28 -0500 From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199506131447.JAA22323@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Content-Length: 1809 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > What cards for video input (from videocamera) does FreeBSD support now > (in 2.0.5-RELEASE) or will support in the near future (in 2.1-RELEASE, > for example) ? supported video capture cards: CORTEX-I Frame Grabber (monochrome, though I think the card is capiable of color if the color lookup table was programed differently) Video Spigot (*help* someone fill in the details) Matrox Comet/Marvel II (these are excellent boards simular to the Jazz Jakarta in features. Since Matrox only licenses their specs to these boards, you will need to get a commerical software (X Inside Inc has a commerical X for Matrox boards). related, but not for conferencing: OmniMedia Talisman (MPEG viewer) Cards people are interested in writing drivers: Jazz Jakarta (Amancio Hasty has expressed interested in writting a driver. I believe this is also a video card. I also believe this is a MPEG board. This board should be excellent for "live" video viewing). Matrox Meteor (Jim Lowe and I are interested in writting the Matrox Meteor drivers. This driver offer 16/24 bit packed RGB and 4-2-2 planar YUV output for conferencing tools suchas nv/ivs. Right now I am trying to get a better understanding of the PCI bus). there are tons of low end cards that could be supported if the cards and time were available. I still think FreeBSD could fill a big demand as a cheap multimedia machine. sound cards: Since some of the above cards have their own sound cards, maybe when the driver for the video capture is done the audio will be supported also. I think conventual wisdom still prefers original Advance Gravis Ultra Sound for it's bidirectional feature. It appears the card is not being made anymore and only a few dealers still carry the card. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 08:25:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA01209 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:25:23 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA01196 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:25:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA09264; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:25:17 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506131525.LAA09264@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Web Pages To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506121721.TAA06425@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Jun 12, 95 07:21:05 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 802 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian Howard Stacey writes: > Should we copy the www.freebsd.org web pages into src/ (or ports/ > if we dont want to bloat src/ ) ? This might be a good "extra" to throw on the CD. The biggest potential glitch is that a verbatim copy of the WWW server pages would require a http server running on the user's box for CGI scripts. I need to do a complete overhaul of the WWW pages soon and I'll keep this potential in mind. As they stand, they *should* be able to just drop into nearly any machine with a http server. Another useful thing to add as a CD extra is the fully index mailing list archive, which currently takes up about 180 meg. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 10:25:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21850 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:25:18 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21813 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:25:13 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20574; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:25:10 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA25216 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:25:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA07803 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:41:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506131641.SAA07803@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:41:31 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199506131410.OAA00416@ns.aic.net> from "Root" at Jun 13, 95 02:10:55 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 539 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Root wrote: > > kak dela? Na segodnyashniy den FreeBSD NE podderzhivaet Graphic input devices. > Hotya est nadezhda chto budet :-). Otlichno (vash russki). :) > PS THE ABOVE TEXT IS IN RUSSIAN :-). If you can't read it, just ignore it :-). That reminds me: where could i get decent X11 fonts for KOI-8? I'm always finding it rather hard to follow this crippled english trans- criptions. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 10:25:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21845 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:25:18 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21807 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:25:12 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20570; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:25:08 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA25213 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:25:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA07761 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:34:30 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506131634.SAA07761@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: kvm_getprocs: KINFO_... or KERN_... To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:34:30 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506130800.NAA00474@hq.icb.chel.su> from "Serge A. Babkin" at Jun 13, 95 01:00:29 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 540 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Serge A. Babkin wrote: > [man page and actual practice for kinfo disagree] > So may be we need to create and define KINFO_* for > compatibility reasons ? Update the man page. There's already a bug report (though not a regular PR) pending in -bugs, filed by the author of `top'. The code freeze is finally lifted, i'll look into it (unless somebody else is stepping forward). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 11:01:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA28556 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:01:13 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28546 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:01:11 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30744>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:02:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:02:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Eric Chet cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5R && telnet? In-Reply-To: <199506131316.JAA08549@bronze.coil.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Eric Chet wrote: > an error. >open hostname, the returned error is > "telnet: tcp/telnet: unknown service" what am I over looking? Has your /etc/services file been trashed? Does it have an entry for tcp/telnet? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 11:10:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00354 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:10:36 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00348 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:10:34 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA17924 ; Tue, 13 Jun 95 14:09:46 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sLZdF-0006SmC; Tue, 13 Jun 95 13:20 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 SOLVED To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, evanc@synapse.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506130530.WAA05290@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 12, 95 10:30:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 900 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > As a person who has been around the computer manufacturing business > for most of my life working with every thing from silicon processes > to final system testing I have found that over 80% of all computer > eletronic failures can be traced to ``conection failure'' weither > it be at the micron level inside a chip, or macro level from a > cable left unplugged :-) :-) In a previous incarnation I did Survivability Engineering and worked on the VHSIC (very high speed ic) program at Westinghouse. The Navy had a continuing study at the time that had run for many years. They determined that 'connection failures' accounted for ... okay, it has been 12 years, so don't quote on this okay ... but I recall that they said 94% +/- about 5%. -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 11:13:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00965 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:13:42 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00957 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:13:40 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03697; Tue, 13 Jun 95 12:06:31 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506131806.AA03697@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.05R panics on boot To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 12:06:31 MDT Cc: hlew@cycle.Stanford.EDU, bugs@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506130710.QAA24206@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 13, 95 04:40:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > * If I use Ontrack DM 6.03a and set the DOS partition active (I don't > > know why it became inactive), the system prompts for F1-Disk 1 and > > F5-Disk 2. But at that prompt, if I choose F1, I get DOS. And if I > > choose F5, I also get DOS (so they are still booting from wd0 which is my > > DOS drive). > > This smells _awfully_ like you have DM coming in too early and trying to > be "smart". Well, it's allowed to do that. It *is* smart. 8^). What it sounds more like is the boot manager being written on top of DM instead of being smart (like *it* should) and getting written to the secondary MBR that DM causes to exist following it. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 11:33:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02196 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:33:04 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02190 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:33:03 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA02188 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:25:28 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA04874; Tue, 13 Jun 95 12:22:09 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506131822.AA04874@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R && telnet? To: echet@coil.com (Eric Chet) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 12:22:08 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506131316.JAA08549@bronze.coil.com> from "Eric Chet" at Jun 13, 95 09:16:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I just installed 2.0.5R && X-Windows. Everything looks great, I > would like to thank the core team for all there hard work. > > I'm useing user process ppp. I connect to my ISP with out any problems. > I can FTP anywhere without any problems. When I try to telnet I just get > an error. >open hostname, the returned error is > "telnet: tcp/telnet: unknown service" what am I over looking? This is the error message you will get from getservbyname( "telnet", "tcp") returning NULL as a result of your /etc/services file: o not being there o not containing the line telnet 23/tcp o not being readable by your user ID/group ID If your telnet is (incorrectly) suid some user, or if you are a member of the group that owns the /etc/services file and permissions are turned off for the group, or if world read permissions aren't there for the file or for the /etc directory, you will have this problem. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 11:50:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02845 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:50:16 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA02838 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:50:14 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14477(3)>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:48:57 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49859>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:48:26 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Brian Tao cc: Evan Champion , hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Problem with 2940 SOLVED In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 95 21:39:02 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:48:04 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Jun13.114826pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you write: >Reminds me of Apple's field maintenance suggestion for their Apple III's Or the "TRS-80 periodic maintenance" - remove all connectors, use a pencil eraser on all contacts, replace. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 12:06:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03328 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:06:37 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03319 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:06:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02506 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:07:07 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: hall@wc.cdrom.com Subject: 2.0.5R contributors - line up for your free CDs! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:07:06 +0100 Message-ID: <2504.803070426@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As is Walnut Creek CDROM's general policy, if you've been influential in the development of FreeBSD 2.0.5R then you're entitled to a free CDROM! Real contributors only, please! I'm trying to be a little easy on Walnut Creek, so please don't send me "begging letters" asking for free CDs just because you think I might be feeling generous. I don't mean to be an ogre, but for this gesture to even mean anything then it's got to be in return for services rendered. I also don't particularly feel like processing hundreds of requests, given that my time is VERY tight at the moment, and if I don't recognise your name I'm just going to whap `d' anyway so you might as well save us both the keystrokes! :-) Please accompany ALL requests with full address information, even if you think I've already got it. I've had problems in the past with outdated or incomplete address information, so there's no point in missing your CD for lack of a couple of lines. Also, if you're on the core team then don't sweat sending me the info; I've already got you all signed up on free subscriptions so that this happens automatically now. Finally, if you think there's someone that should be sent one or more promo CDs then don't hesitate to put them forward. I'll reserve final judgement, of course, but influential journalists and professors always rate a CD in my book! :-) Please provide full address information, of course, since I haven't got time to track such people down on vague information. Thank you! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 12:18:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03756 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:18:29 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03749 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:18:23 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA08695; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:18:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Diskless booting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am want to replace our aging Sun tftp boot servers with FreeBSD machines. I have the sparcs grabbing the kernel ok but for some strange reason I am not able to get the swap file for the suns over NFS. It comes back with failed, rpc status 2 If anyone has done this and has any special tricks PLEASE :) let me know. We are getting ready to upgrade to SunOS in the lab and really really need this so we don't have to do it twice.... Thanks again Matthew S. Bailey mbailey@cps.cmich.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 13:28:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA08611 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:28:51 -0700 Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08596 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:28:47 -0700 Received: by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id WAA02956; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:28:40 +0200 From: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Message-Id: <199506132028.WAA02956@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Subject: Medium error To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:28:39 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 993 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, A tricky question for the real serious hackers here: We're running an ISP site and our newsdisk is giving us a hard time, but it's real hard to replace the damn thing at the moment. What do we have: A P90-asus with NCR controller with a quantum 2.1 Empire as sd2. And this baby is generating a medium error on just one location. Jun 13 22:19:50 iaehv kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): medium error, info = 2817606 (decimal) The funny (??) thing is that this cause I/O errors in INN in serveral spool directories. Even after I created a real large file to try and cover the bad spot with just-another-file. So I'm starting to wonder: can the bad spot contain more than just one directory which is getting trouble? But the real serious question: Is there any way of getting this ONE error out of the way by just any reasonable method? We're are going to upgrade to a real large disk in near future, and currently we'd like to transfer the 2 Gb of news just once? Thanx, Willem Jan Withagen From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 13:31:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09117 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:31:12 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA09094 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:31:05 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA03979; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:31:36 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199506132031.WAA03979@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Possible patch for SMC 8216/8416 probe bug To: davidg@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:31:36 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1928 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Here is a possible fix for the bug in probing the 8216C/8416/C cards. The problem was that the memory of the card wasn't enabled before it was written to. I'm not sure if all these things is needed, but I found them lower down in the probe code. Also I'm not sure if I have to preserve the value of the ED_WD_LAAR register. The probe does that later on and I didn't want to clobber it. I have tried it on my 8216C and it works. I don't have a 8416C to test it on. Maybe David Greenman should look at it, as he seems to do most stuff in the if_ed.c driver. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za *** if_ed.c.orig Sun Jun 4 19:31:09 1995 --- if_ed.c Tue Jun 13 22:20:56 1995 *************** *** 390,395 **** --- 390,412 ---- isa16bit = 1; break; case ED_TYPE_SMC8216C: /* 8216 has 16K shared mem -- 8416 has 8K */ + { + int tval; + + tval = inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD_LAAR); + sc->mem_start = (caddr_t) isa_dev->id_maddr; + + outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD_LAAR, ED_WD_LAAR_M16EN); + outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD_MSR, ED_WD_MSR_MENB); + outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR, + (inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR) | ED_WD790_HWR_SWH)); + outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_RAR, + ((kvtop(sc->mem_start) >> 13) & 0x0f) | + ((kvtop(sc->mem_start) >> 11) & 0x40) | + (inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_RAR) & 0xb0)); + outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR, + (inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR) & ~ED_WD790_HWR_SWH)); + (unsigned int) *(isa_dev->id_maddr+8192) = (unsigned int)0; if ((unsigned int) *(isa_dev->id_maddr+8192)) { sc->type_str = "SMC8416C/SMC8416BT"; *************** *** 402,410 **** --- 419,429 ---- "Ethernet adapter: SMC 8216 or 8216C"; memsize = 16384; } + outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD_LAAR, tval); isa16bit = 1; sc->is790 = 1; break; + } case ED_TYPE_SMC8216T: sc->type_str = "SMC8216T"; sc->kdc.kdc_description = From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 13:37:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09909 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:37:09 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA09891 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:37:03 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA08938; Tue, 13 Jun 95 22:36:56 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id WAA21866 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:49:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:49:11 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506132049.WAA21866@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: how to get a special kernel on boot.flp Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a simple way to get a different kernel to boot.flp? Other than making a release? Something like unzipping and exchange the kernel part? -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 13:55:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA12415 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:55:20 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA12409 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:55:16 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43029>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:55:03 +0200 Received: (from root@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA03875 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:48:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:48:20 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506132048.WAA03875@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: news software - which to use ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Question: Which manuals should I read for which tools, to get my host to download a few newsgroups from my IP provider to read off line ? It seems FreeBSD offers a choice between at least nntp, cnews, & inn. I have current src & ports I connect via slip daily for a short time to my IP provider, I really do want those newsgroups local & off line, not read on line. I have looked in FAQ/Text & various mans, but would much appreciate a friendly pointer .. do I start with nntp, or cnews, or inn or ... ? Thanks, Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 14:11:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA14394 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:11:38 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA14368 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:11:33 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30739>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:12:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Julian Howard Stacey cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? In-Reply-To: <199506132048.WAA03875@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Julian Howard Stacey wrote: > I have looked in FAQ/Text & various mans, but would much appreciate > a friendly pointer .. do I start with nntp, or cnews, or inn or ... ? You need to use something like slurp (sp?). It acts as a news reader, updating a local news spool. inn, cnews, or nntp will not be enough. Usenet is a push distribution system. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 14:30:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA16776 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:30:36 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA16768 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:30:32 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA29802 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:22:46 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Wed, 14 Jun 95 01:22:45 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id BAA00840; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:17:52 +0400 To: FreeBSD hackers , Joerg Wunsch References: <199506131641.SAA07803@uriah.heep.sax.de> In-Reply-To: <199506131641.SAA07803@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch at Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:41:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:17:52 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 622 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506131641.SAA07803@uriah.heep.sax.de> J Wunsch writes: >That reminds me: where could i get decent X11 fonts for KOI-8? I'm >always finding it rather hard to follow this crippled english trans- >criptions. Try to look in ftp.kiae.su:misc/fonts/cyrillic/x11 or something like it (I don't remember path exactly). -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 14:37:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA18157 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:37:02 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA18142 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:36:58 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA04379; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:36:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA28618; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:37:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199506132137.OAA28618@corbin.Root.COM> To: John Hay cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Possible patch for SMC 8216/8416 probe bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Jun 95 22:31:36 +0200." <199506132031.WAA03979@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:37:03 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Maybe David Greenman should look at it, as he seems to do most stuff in >the if_ed.c driver. I think the detection can be done in a way that doesn't require any of the memory test stuff. I'll look at the documentation I have on this soon. For now, people can set a specific "iosiz", 16384 for instance, and use the flags option to force 16 bit operation (flags 0x4). -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 14:43:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA18716 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:43:48 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA18708 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:43:46 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA29972 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:46:38 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199506132146.RAA29972@ns1.win.net> Subject: re: news software - which to use ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:46:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 851 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Question: > Which manuals should I read for which tools, to get my host to > download a few newsgroups from my IP provider to read off line ? > It seems FreeBSD offers a choice between at least nntp, cnews, & inn. > I have current src & ports > I connect via slip daily for a short time to my IP provider, > I really do want those newsgroups local & off line, not read on line. > Our current setup allows our customers to dial in both as uucp and ppp/slip. They can then subscribe to the favored groups and download that news via uucp (compressed batches). Email is also easily handled this way. They can use netscape/nnrp via their ppp/slip access to look for new news groups to get hooked on. This is actually a good mix of old and new. You might check to see if your provider can do the same. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 15:39:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21665 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:39:48 -0700 Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [199.98.84.132]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA21659 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:39:45 -0700 Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA11110 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:39:42 -0500 From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199506132239.RAA11110@luke.pmr.com> Subject: NCR SCSI driver emiting: in getcc reselect by t0. To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-hackers) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:39:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 932 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Right after starting a "tar tvf /dev/rst1" to list the contents of an 8mm tape I got a number of these messages: /kernel: in getcc reselect by t0. listed on the console. I poked around in the source (sys/pci/ncr.c) and it seems that I shouldn't worry too much about it (though I've had 30 in the last 30 minutes) since the circumstances causing the message don't seem to be really an error and the system appears to still be running ok. Can anyone shed some light on this? Here's my configuration: P100, 256k cache, 32mb RAM, 4 NCR 810 PCI SCSI controllers with the following devices: 1. 1 disk, 2 CDROM drives, 2 tape drives 2. 3 disks 3. 3 disks 4. 3 disks The disks are mostly a mixture of DEC DSP3105/DSP3210s & Seagate Barracudas. The CDROM drives are both Toshiba 3401Bs. One tape drive is a Wangtek 5525ES, the other an Exabyte 8200. -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com (or obiwan%bob@uunet.uu.net) Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 17:20:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA26599 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:20:11 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA26583 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:20:06 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA12720 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:14:25 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA01713; 13 Jun 95 19:00:12 CDT (Tue) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA01710; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:00:11 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506140000.TAA01710@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Web Pages To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:00:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506131525.LAA09264@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Jun 13, 95 11:25:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 334 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > This might be a good "extra" to throw on the CD. The biggest > potential glitch is that a verbatim copy of the WWW server pages > would require a http server running on the user's box for CGI > scripts. There's a small HTTP server Karl Lehenbauer wrote in Tcl, it's a couple hundred lines of code. It could be made the default... From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 18:24:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA04256 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:24:02 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA04227 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:23:59 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id VAA20246; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:18:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: mountain 350 mb tape To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk i can get a new mountain 350 mb tape drive (ad claims upto 10mb/s thruput) for $120. does FreeBSD support this drive? Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 18:24:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA04564 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:24:47 -0700 Received: from panther.ferrum.edu (panther.ferrum.edu [192.190.252.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA04550 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:24:45 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by panther.ferrum.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA00170 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:24:30 -0400 From: System Administrator Message-Id: <199506140124.VAA00170@panther.ferrum.edu> Subject: Linux & SCSI cards To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:24:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 384 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Please forgive: I don't know the address of a Linux mailing list yet. I have a Future Domain TMC-850M SCSI card. Can anyone tell me if it will work with Linux 1.2.8 ??? Thanks! (not to mention the name of the linux mailing list) -- | System Administrator, Ferrum College Computer Science Department | root@panther.ferrum.edu, 703-365-4386, Ferrum, Virginia 24088 -- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 19:01:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA11824 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:01:51 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11796 ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:01:44 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA04199; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:01:35 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506140201.TAA04199@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: mountain 350 mb tape To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jun 13, 95 09:18:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 411 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > i can get a new mountain 350 mb tape drive (ad claims upto 10mb/s > thruput) for $120. > conner has a 4000Mb SCSI in the same formfactor. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 19:03:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12270 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:03:34 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA12211 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:03:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA07995; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:03:33 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506140303.IAA07995@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:03:32 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506131641.SAA07803@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 13, 95 06:41:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 402 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > That reminds me: where could i get decent X11 fonts for KOI-8? I'm > always finding it rather hard to follow this crippled english trans- > criptions. I found this in USENET X FAQ: ftp://cs.umd.edu/pub/cyrillic/xwin_fonts ftp://nic.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/comp/fonts Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 19:54:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25077 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:54:31 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25057 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:54:24 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA25978; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:17:47 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506140247.MAA25978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:17:47 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506132048.WAA03875@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Jun 13, 95 10:48:20 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1728 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian Howard Stacey stands accused of saying: > > Question: > Which manuals should I read for which tools, to get my host to > download a few newsgroups from my IP provider to read off line ? > It seems FreeBSD offers a choice between at least nntp, cnews, & inn. cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > I have current src & ports > I connect via slip daily for a short time to my IP provider, > I really do want those newsgroups local & off line, not read on line. You should use UUCP over TCP/IP to transport your news, and INN locally to process it. Read the INN INSTALL document, and the infopages on Taylor UUCP (should be part of the info distribution). > I have looked in FAQ/Text & various mans, but would much appreciate > a friendly pointer .. do I start with nntp, or cnews, or inn or ... ? Get UUCP/TCP working to start with; then build & install INN & a newsreader (I'd recommend nn, but that's just preference). Create a few local newsgroups & experiment with administering them, then get your ISP to batch you a _small_ amount of news via UUCP. If your provider is too incompetent to configure their news server to send for you via UUCP, then you'll have to look at scheduling your connections to match their setup. (NNTP is sender-driven, not receiver- driven) > Julian S -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 20:28:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA29658 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:28:40 -0700 Received: from ns.aic.net (ns.aic.net [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA29646 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:28:28 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.aic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA01776; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:19:46 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:19:46 GMT From: Root Posted-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:19:46 GMT Message-Id: <199506140719.HAA01776@ns.aic.net> To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There are also some russian fonts on FTP.KIAE.SU. Edgar Der-Danieliantz, Senior Expert/Advisor, AIC Research Laboratories/Open Systems Division, AIC. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 21:03:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA01975 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:03:13 -0700 Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA01964 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:03:08 -0700 Received: from rssd.hk.olivetti.com by hk.super.net with SMTP id AA27441 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for <@hk.super.net:hackers@freebsd.org>); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:02:54 +0800 Message-Id: <199506140402.AA27441@hk.super.net> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:45:43 +0800 (HKT) From: "Raju M. Daryanani" Cc: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140247.MAA25978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 14, 95 12:17:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 982 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk According to Michael Smith: > If your provider is too incompetent to configure their news server to > send for you via UUCP, then you'll have to look at scheduling your > connections to match their setup. (NNTP is sender-driven, not receiver- > driven) The alternative is to use Slurp to get the news from your provider. That requires the provider to give your system nnrp access to their system because Slurp gets mail as though it was just another reader, as well as host access for outgoing postings the usual NNTP way. Then you can schedule connections for when you want to send and receive news and also doesn't require the ISP's intervention when you want to change your newsfeeds. Raju -- Raju M. Daryanani | Email: raju@rssd.hk.olivetti.com Technical Support Manager | raju@hk.super.net, raju@air.org Products Division | Tel: +852 2979 2450 / Fax: +852 2802 6650 Olivetti (HK) Ltd. | [PGP Key available on request][MIME understood] From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 22:06:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07448 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:06:57 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07412 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:06:53 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA02811 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:54:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199506140454.VAA02811@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:47:28 CDT." <199506131447.JAA22323@plains.nodak.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:54:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Mark Tinguely said: > > Matrox Comet/Marvel II (these are excellent boards simular to the Jazz Jakarta > in features. Since Matrox only licenses their specs to > these boards, you will need to get a commerical > software (X Inside Inc has a commerical X for Matrox > boards). > My advice is to wait till one of the drivers for the video captures boards and the X support is completed. If you are looking for a proper setup for video capture then PCI is the way to go due to the massive thru put needed which in certain cases exceeds the bandwith of disk sub-system. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 22:53:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA10963 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:53:11 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10951 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:53:06 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00277; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:51:12 +0800 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:51:12 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A day in the life of wcarchive.. In-Reply-To: <199506130958.CAA00429@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, David Greenman wrote: > > Archive Stats, DAILY > Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files > ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ > .3/FreeBSD 18,284,350 K 85,463 48.5 39.5 > .5/linux 6,444,142 K 41,023 17.1 18.9 > > ...note that the announcement was made in the afternoon, so the above is > really only 12 hours worth. Whoa... are the daily statistics archived anywhere? I'd like to see, say, a month's worth of these numbers. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 23:09:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA12475 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:09:51 -0700 Received: from simon.chi.il.us (simon.chi.il.us [199.245.227.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA12465 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:09:47 -0700 Received: by simon.chi.il.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0sLkEn-000NAyC; Tue, 13 Jun 95 23:39 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 23:39 CDT From: steve@simon.chi.il.us (Steven E. Piette) To: davidg@Root.COM Subject: Re: Possible patch for SMC 8216/8416 probe bug Cc: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From freefall.cdrom.com!owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 16:42:07 1995 > To: John Hay > cc: hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Possible patch for SMC 8216/8416 probe bug > From: David Greenman > Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:37:03 -0700 > Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org > Content-Length: 377 > > >Maybe David Greenman should look at it, as he seems to do most stuff in > >the if_ed.c driver. > > I think the detection can be done in a way that doesn't require any of the > memory test stuff. I'll look at the documentation I have on this soon. For > now, people can set a specific "iosiz", 16384 for instance, and use the flags > option to force 16 bit operation (flags 0x4). > > -DG > What's wrong with using the probe section from ED_TYPE_SMC8216T? It worked find here when I first put developed the 8416 patch. It doesn't care if the card is a combo or utp only device. I did test the driver with Elite 16, Ultra, and Ether EZ to make sure it still worked after the patch to 2.0-RELEASE ie: (based on 2.0.5-ALPHA /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/if_ed.c) case ED_TYPE_SMC8216C: case ED_TYPE_SMC8216T: if (sc->type = ED_TYPE_SMC8216C) { sc->type_str = "SMC8216/SMC8216C"; sc->kdc.kdc_description = "Ethernet adapter: SMC 8216 or 8216C"; } else { sc->type_str = "SMC8216T"; sc->kdc.kdc_description = "Ethernet adapter: SMC 8216T"; } outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR, inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR) | ED_WD790_HWR_SWH); switch (inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_RAR) & ED_WD790_RAR_SZ64) { case ED_WD790_RAR_SZ64: memsize = 65536; break; case ED_WD790_RAR_SZ32: memsize = 32768; break; case ED_WD790_RAR_SZ16: memsize = 16384; break; case ED_WD790_RAR_SZ8: /* 8216 has 16K shared mem -- 8416 has 8K */ if (sc->type = ED_TYPE_SMC8216C) { sc->type_str = "SMC8416C/SMC8416BT"; sc->kdc.kdc_description = "Ethernet adapter: SMC 8416C or 8416BT"; } else { sc->type_str = "SMC8416T"; sc->kdc.kdc_description = "Ethernet adapter: SMC 8416T"; memsize = 8192; break; } outb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR, inb(sc->asic_addr + ED_WD790_HWR) & ~ED_WD790_HWR_SWH); isa16bit = 1; sc->is790 = 1; break; Or did I miss something important? 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From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 13 23:20:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA13492 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:20:48 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA13480 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:20:45 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08111; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:20:42 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA29616; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:20:41 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA00467; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:57:18 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506140557.HAA00467@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Medium error To: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:57:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506132028.WAA02956@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> from "Willem Jan Withagen" at Jun 13, 95 10:28:39 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 951 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > > And this baby is generating a medium error on just one location. > Jun 13 22:19:50 iaehv kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): medium error, info = 2817606 (decimal) > But the real serious question: Is there any way of getting this ONE error > out of the way by just any reasonable method? Did you try Peter's trick to enable automatic bad sector replacement? The disk should look like: uriah # scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -m 1 AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enbld): 1 ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enbld): 1 ... (The 1's are the important thing.) I think you can call the command with a trailing `-e' (edit mode page) and with some other option to make the change permanent. Peter will be more helpful (and will certainly write an entry for /usr/share/FAQ/Text/SCSI-FAQ for it :--). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 00:11:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA17155 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:11:23 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA17149 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:11:02 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA12757; Wed, 14 Jun 95 09:10:29 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id JAA23171 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:22:41 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:22:41 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506140722.JAA23171@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: ah1542 speed optimization Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Why - and I'm refering to a previous mail upon Rod already answered and I didn't follow up immediately - does the ah1542 autoconfigure code, when probing for DMA speeds and it is saying 100ns OK, using 150ns, not fall back to the next nearest value, that is: 125 ns ? (I was asking why the table aha_speeds did not show the 125 ns in that prev mail) -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 00:45:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA18760 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:45:40 -0700 Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA18754 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:45:39 -0700 Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id AAA21377; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:48:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: missing vn.h in 2.0.5-RELEASE Message-ID: Organization: we provide consulting re: Internet servers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to compile a new kernel in 2.0.5-RELEASE with support for the "vnconfig" command. I guessed that I needed option VN in the conf file, so I added that, ran config and then did "make depend" in the ../../compile/? directory. It notes that ../../i386/i386/conf.c is missing the file vn.h There is a /usr/src/sys/dev/vn/vn.c file but no vn.h in that directory. Has this file gotten lost? Where can it be found? Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-549-1036 Network Operations Fax: +1-604-542-4130 Okanagan Internet Junction Internet: michael@junction.net http://www.junction.net - The Okanagan's 1st full-service Internet provider From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 01:16:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA20775 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:16:18 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA20761 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:16:03 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA13372; Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:15:27 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA23274; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:27:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199506140827.KAA23274@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: missing vn.h in 2.0.5-RELEASE To: michael@junction.net (Michael Dillon) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:27:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Jun 14, 95 00:48:43 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1091 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I am trying to compile a new kernel in 2.0.5-RELEASE with support for the > "vnconfig" command. I guessed that I needed > > option VN pseudo-device vn is the correct way to enable this. > > in the conf file, so I added that, ran config and then did "make depend" > in the ../../compile/? directory. It notes that ../../i386/i386/conf.c > is missing the file vn.h > > There is a /usr/src/sys/dev/vn/vn.c file but no vn.h in that directory. > > Has this file gotten lost? Where can it be found? > > Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-549-1036 > Network Operations Fax: +1-604-542-4130 > Okanagan Internet Junction Internet: michael@junction.net > http://www.junction.net - The Okanagan's 1st full-service Internet provider > > -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 01:43:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA22752 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:43:34 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA22715 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:43:08 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA10668 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:41:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199506140841.AA10668@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:41:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Bob Willcox "NCR SCSI driver emiting: in getcc reselect by t0." (Jun 13, 17:39) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Bob Willcox Subject: Re: NCR SCSI driver emiting: in getcc reselect by t0. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 13, 17:39, Bob Willcox wrote: } Subject: NCR SCSI driver emiting: in getcc reselect by t0. } Right after starting a "tar tvf /dev/rst1" to list the contents of } an 8mm tape I got a number of these messages: } } /kernel: in getcc reselect by t0. } } listed on the console. I poked around in the source (sys/pci/ncr.c) } and it seems that I shouldn't worry too much about it (though I've } had 30 in the last 30 minutes) since the circumstances causing the } message don't seem to be really an error and the system appears to } still be running ok. Can anyone shed some light on this? The messages appear when doing a "tar tvf" ? I guess there is other disk activity on target 0 on the same host adapter as the tape is connected to ? It is a common situation (depending on the load on the SCSI bus), that the SCSI host adapter wants to connect to a device, but another device has just succeeded arbitrating for the SCSI bus. This situation is dealt with in the main loop of the code executed by the NCR. But the GET_CC command is different from any other SCSI command, in that it may depend on the state of the drive after the previous command. (In a certain sense it may be considered the continuation of the previous command to understand why it wasn't accepted or returned an error condition.) For this reason, there is a completely independent subroutine to send this command, and that subroutine prints a message when the GET_CC could not be sent. The GET_CC command is required after a drive ready change, but AFAIK also after soft errors reading or writing the EXABYTE. Since a soft error every few seconds is normal, there is quite a chance that some disk reconnects before the NCR got the EXABYTE status. The warning is just there to give a hint if some device ever couldn't accept the fact, that the NCR driver insists on first having the GET_CC command complete, before it will accept a reselect from any other device. If it couldn't make this other device give up the bus, then the system would hang (and in the end a timeout would force a SCSI bus reset). } Here's my configuration: } } P100, 256k cache, 32mb RAM, 4 NCR 810 PCI SCSI controllers with } the following devices: } } 1. 1 disk, 2 CDROM drives, 2 tape drives } 2. 3 disks } 3. 3 disks } 4. 3 disks Quite impressive ! 4 * NCR SCSI (which motherboard is this ???) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 02:29:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA26754 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:29:45 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA26743 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:29:41 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id FAA14892; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 05:21:36 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506140921.FAA14892@hda.com> Subject: Re: Medium error To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 05:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140557.HAA00467@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 14, 95 07:57:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 920 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > Did you try Peter's trick to enable automatic bad sector replacement? > The disk should look like: > > uriah # scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -m 1 > AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enbld): 1 > ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enbld): 1 > ... > > (The 1's are the important thing.) > > I think you can call the command with a trailing `-e' (edit mode page) > and with some other option to make the change permanent. That would be: > uriah # scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -m 1 -e -P 3 > Peter will > be more helpful (and will certainly write an entry for > /usr/share/FAQ/Text/SCSI-FAQ for it :--). Meanwhile, it is in the "man" page, but Willem isn't running 2.05. I think that a statically linked binary from 2.05 will work, won't it? Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 03:37:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA03029 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 03:37:16 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA03009 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 03:37:13 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA14961; Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:20:11 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA23483; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:32:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199506141032.MAA23483@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Problem adding a second SCSI disk on 1542CF To: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Gellekum) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:32:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199506140923.LAA01388@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> from "Thomas Gellekum" at Jun 14, 95 11:23:11 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3670 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Moin moin, > > I hope I didn't misinterpret the charter for this list, if so, feel > free to move it around. > > I'm having problems adding a second SCSI disk. The new disk is an > IBM DSAS-3540. I have tried it on two machines, the one at home: > > FreeBSD 2.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jun 13 15:17:16 MET DST 1995 > root@fenchurch:/usr/src/sys/compile/FENCHURCH > CPU: i386DX (386-class CPU) > real memory = 7995392 (1952 pages) > avail memory = 6967296 (1701 pages) > [...] > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > wd0: 233MB (479220 total sec), 978 cyl, 14 head, 35 sec, bytes/sec 512 > aha0: 1542C/CF detected, unlocking mailbox > aha0: reading board settings, dma=5 int=11 (bus speed defaulted) > aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa > aha0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 > aha0 targ 0 lun 0: > sd0: 258MB (528808 total sec), 2740 cyl, 2 head, 96 sec, bytes/sec 512 > aha0 targ 1 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 > aha0 targ 1 lun 0: > sd1: 522MB (1070496 total sec), 3875 cyl, 3 head, 92 sec, bytes/sec 512 > > and one here at work: > > FreeBSD 2.0-RELEASE #2: Wed Apr 12 17:59:59 MET DST 1995 > thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/GHPC8 > CPU: i386DX (386-class CPU) > real memory = 7995392 (1952 pages) > avail memory = 6819840 (1665 pages) > [...] > aha0: 1542C/CF detected, unlocking mailbox > aha0: reading board settings, dma=5 int=11 (bus speed defaulted) > aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa > aha0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 > aha0 targ 0 lun 0: > sd0: 522MB (1070496 total sec), 3875 cyl, 3 head, 92 sec, bytes/sec 512 > aha0 targ 1 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 > aha0 targ 1 lun 0: > sd1: 522MB (1070496 total sec), 3875 cyl, 3 head, 92 sec, bytes/sec 512 > > sd1 is the new disk in both cases; it sits in the middle of the SCSI > bus (thus not terminated); I use the same cable which works for the > single drive configuration. > > The probe always succeeds on the second machine (at least as long as > I played with it), the 1542 on the first machine sometimes locks up; > the kernel probes the aha0, then it hangs. This also happened in > the Disk Utility menu of the adapters SCSISelect software (it hangs > while scanning for devices on the SCSI bus), so I don't think it's a > FreeBSD specific problem. > > If the probe succeeds on machine I, both systems show the same > behaviour: I can use the disk for a short while until > > sd1(aha0:1:0): timed out > sd0(aha0:0:0): timed out > adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! > Debugger ("aha1542") called. > AGAIN > aha0: MBO not free This is what I was getting with my Quantum Grand Prix, too. You may try to disable SYNC NEGOTIATION for this ID # and look if this makes it work better (though you may loose speed). > > These messages appear repeatedly, only way out is a reset. I > haven't found a pattern which causes the locks. I guess the ``aha0: > MBO not free'' is caused by the running process which tries to write > to the disk when the 1542 hasn't emptied its buffers. > > The new drive works fine if it's alone on the SCSI bus. I have > tried enabling/disabling the TI Sync Negotiation and/or Unit > Attention on the drive to no avail. > > Any ideas? Any more info you need? > > tg > > -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 04:20:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA08732 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:20:11 -0700 Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA08717 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:20:08 -0700 Received: by helix.nih.gov (940715.SGI.52/1.35(m-sg-1.0)) id AA15003; Wed, 14 Jun 95 07:20:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 07:20:06 -0400 From: crtb@helix.nih.gov (Chuck Bacon) Message-Id: <9506141120.AA15003@helix.nih.gov> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: mountain 350 mb tape Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > i can get a new mountain 350 mb tape drive (ad claims upto 10mb/s > > thruput) for $120. > > > > conner has a 4000Mb SCSI in the same formfactor. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. > http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. > whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. > Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? Yes, but that isn't an answer! I've had a Mountain tape drive (uses DC2120 tapes) since before FreeBSD, and never heard of support for it! I tried Mountain technical support, but they wouldn't hear of letting out technical information. Chuck Bacon - crtb@helix.nih.gov ABHOR SECRECY - DEFEND PRIVACY From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 04:33:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA10415 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:33:26 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA10409 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:33:25 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA02295 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:32:39 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA01042 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:26:31 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Wed, 14 Jun 95 15:26:30 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA00628; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:23:58 +0400 To: "Serge A. Babkin" , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <199506140303.IAA07995@hq.icb.chel.su> In-Reply-To: <199506140303.IAA07995@hq.icb.chel.su>; from "Serge A. Babkin" at Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:03:32 +0500 (GMT+0500) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:23:57 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Videoconferences in FreeBSD ? Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 797 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506140303.IAA07995@hq.icb.chel.su> Serge A. Babkin writes: >> That reminds me: where could i get decent X11 fonts for KOI-8? I'm >> always finding it rather hard to follow this crippled english trans- >> criptions. >I found this in USENET X FAQ: >ftp://cs.umd.edu/pub/cyrillic/xwin_fonts >ftp://nic.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/comp/fonts I doesn't look at them yet, but I fear that they can be oldest, i.e. simple non-standard KOI8 instead of standard KOI8-R (RFC1489,RFC1700). -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 05:01:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA13840 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 05:01:56 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA13832 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 05:01:54 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa07047; 14 Jun 95 12:58 +0100 Received: from flevel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab19571; 14 Jun 95 12:57 +0100 Received: by flevel.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA005qi; Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:15:55 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:15:55 GMT Message-Id: <9506141215.AA005qh@flevel.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <20d293f9.1d4c0-dev@flevel.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4jX7NkUQ0k00A7_R0O@bruce.osix.oz.au> (from Peter May ) (at Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:55:12 +1000 (WET)) X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 5.42) Reply-To: dev@flevel.demon.co.uk Cc: From: dev@flevel.demon.co.uk To: bruce!peter@osix.osix.oz.au Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, gruner@hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de, osix!rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD MCA Support? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi Peter, > > > BTW - If you need a beta-tester for a MCA version of FreeBSD I would be > > > happy to do some testing. > > Yes Please. Armin is currently Alpha testing what we hope to submit to > -core shortly as support for basic Microchannel. It supports ESDI disk > only, no SCSI as yet, and has been tested on both an IBM ThinkPad 700C > (which is a microchannel laptop) and a PS/2 mod 70. > > It's probably time that we sent out a call for testers for the MCA stuff > - we really have only a limited number of machines to deal with here > (I'm in Australia, Armin is somewhere in Europe) and while it gets > production style use at both places it would be good to have some level > of confidence. > > If interested parties would like to send me E-Mail addresses, I will > start a list here for Alpha testing before the 2.1 integration gets into Did anything ever come of this. I haven't heard a thing in about 2 months?? I would really like to get a PS2 version of FreeBSD running. Thanks, Trefor S. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Email dev@flevel.demon.co.uk Ami-FileSafe (AFS) ! ! Fourth Level Developments Optical Magneto Drive Systems ! ! Internet Service Providers Dice C distributors ! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 06:00:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA17382 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:00:35 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA17374 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:00:30 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id OAA24192; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:59:51 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.GUN.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA10824 Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:57:11 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199506141257.OAA10824@knobel.GUN.de> Subject: Re: Linux & SCSI cards To: root@panther.ferrum.edu (System Administrator) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:57:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140124.VAA00170@panther.ferrum.edu> from "System Administrator" at Jun 13, 95 09:24:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1306 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Please forgive: I don't know the address of a Linux mailing list yet. [...braindamaged Linux Q. in FreeBSD mailinglist deleted...] You don't know what mailing lists are for ? No ? Ok, I'll tell you: To discuss specific themes, because Netnews are extremely noisy. So "disturbing" a mailinglist with such questions isn't a nice behaviour. Don't wonder if you get flamed immediately ;-)) Other reasons might be, that some Linux weenies in the past had much fun mailing "my OS is better than yours" mailings to this list if I remember right. Watch articles in comp.os.linux.announce. They tell you how to get Linux docu about nearly everything. This docu tells you, how to subscribe Linux mailinglists, too, if there are any. I think, that Linux related themes are mainly discussed in the netnews, not so often via mailing lists. BTW: writing to root's is ugly. Go and get a user account. You aren't a hero for the world only because you are root on your system :-(( Really bad manner :-(( Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - akl@wup.de - *** apsfilter - irgendwie clever *** ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/Linux/local/packs/APSfilter/aps-49...:-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 06:05:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA17861 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:05:43 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA17855 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:05:42 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03246 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:04:56 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id OAA24188 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:59:50 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.GUN.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA10782 for hackers@freebsd.org Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:41:01 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199506141241.OAA10782@knobel.GUN.de> Subject: 2.0.5R installation, missing mountdtab file To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:41:00 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 469 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Error: After re-booting mountd is missing /var/db/mountdtab. Solution: Creating an empty mountdtab file and rebooting cures the problem. Otherwise ... very very well done !!!! ;) -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - akl@wup.de - *** apsfilter - irgendwie clever *** ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/Linux/local/packs/APSfilter/aps-49...:-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 06:17:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA18651 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:17:16 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18641 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:17:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA23395 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:23:03 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506141323.PAA23395@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: ed0 problems again To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:23:02 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 611 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It looks like the 3c503 probe is breaking something in (my) NE2000 card. While the kernel compiles, I have recompiled the netboot code (which had a similar problem -- didn't recognize the ne2000 card) without 3c503 and WD support, and this time it worked. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 06:20:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA18940 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:20:38 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18934 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:20:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA15048; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:21:54 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199506141321.JAA15048@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Web Pages To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140000.TAA01710@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 13, 95 07:00:11 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 528 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There's a small HTTP server Karl Lehenbauer wrote in Tcl, it's a > couple hundred lines of code. It could be made the default... However, Tcl isn't in the standard distribution. A quick-and-dirty server in perl would probably be a better choice. I vaguely recall one being mentioned in the last discussion of this issue on hackers. I'll have to check the archives. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 06:43:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20550 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:43:54 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20537 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:43:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA23354 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:02:10 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506141302.PAA23354@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: ed0 troubles with 2.0.5 To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:02:10 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2037 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I having problems with 2.0.5R and ed0. if_ed.c is version 1.73 The kernel seems unable to recognize my NE2000 clone card. I am compiling a kernel with 1.68 to see if things work better. In the meantime, a diff between 1.68 and 1.73 shows the following: prova# diff -bw if_ed.c.16* if_ed.c.17* 16c16 < * $Id: if_ed.c,v 1.68 1995/03/16 18:12:01 bde Exp $ --- > * if_ed.c,v 1.73 1995/05/30 08:01:58 rgrimes Exp 172,173c172,173 < #define ETHER_MIN_LEN 64 < #define ETHER_MAX_LEN 1518 --- > #define ETHER_MIN_LEN 60 > #define ETHER_MAX_LEN 1514 183,184c183,185 < DC_UNCONFIGURED, < "" /* description */ --- > DC_UNCONFIGURED, /* state */ > "", /* description */ > DC_CLS_NETIF /* class */ 213a215 > #ifndef DEV_LKM 214a217 > #endif /* not DEV_LKM */ 467,489d469 < < if (sc->is790) { ... 790 code... < } < 526c506 < * Use what the board tells us. --- > * If no interrupt specified (or "?"), use what the board tells us. 527a508 > if (isa_dev->id_irq <= 0) 546c527 < * Use what the board tells us. --- > * If no interrupt specified (or "?"), use what the board tells us. 547a529 > if (isa_dev->id_irq <= 0) 1703c1685 < if (len > ETHER_MAX_LEN) { --- > if (len > ETHER_MAX_LEN+4) { /* len includes 4 byte header */ While unrelated to my problem, the change in ETHER_MIN_LEN causes the code to send shorter packets than before. Is this correct ? Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 07:32:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA24325 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:32:28 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA24319 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:32:26 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA26962; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:00:36 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506141430.AAA26962@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ed0 problems again To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:00:36 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141323.PAA23395@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jun 14, 95 03:23:02 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 858 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo stands accused of saying: > It looks like the 3c503 probe is breaking something in (my) NE2000 > card. While the kernel compiles, I have recompiled the netboot code > (which had a similar problem -- didn't recognize the ne2000 card) > without 3c503 and WD support, and this time it worked. How about answering "which (my) NE2000?" I have several (legit, Accton, Compax) that work just fine.n > Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 07:36:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA24873 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:36:12 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA24864 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:36:10 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA10885 ; Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:35:11 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sLtDw-0006SmC; Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:15 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140247.MAA25978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 14, 95 12:17:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1099 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > Julian Howard Stacey stands accused of saying: > > > > Question: > > Which manuals should I read for which tools, to get my host to > > download a few newsgroups from my IP provider to read off line ? > > It seems FreeBSD offers a choice between at least nntp, cnews, & inn. > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. This is totally bogus. C news is *not* stagnant and is *the* choice of many thousands of sites. It depends on what the individual site needs are. For a low volume site, INN is overkill, an unnecessarily large drain on system resources. > > I have looked in FAQ/Text & various mans, but would much appreciate > > a friendly pointer .. do I start with nntp, or cnews, or inn or ... ? There are FAQs for C news and INN posted in news.software.b that will answer most of your questions better than anyone can without knowing all of the details of your site and your expected news transport load. -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 07:53:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA26857 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:53:18 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@slip.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA26785 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 07:52:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:46:45 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Supposedly bug in 950412-SNAP & 2.0.5-ALPHA? SY, AGL ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 22:28:24 -0400 From: Jeffrey C Honig To: agl@redline.ru Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) > Hi there! After a couple of hours fighting gated in FreeBSD > (the same problem inw Alpha9 and 11 gated versions). I'm stuck > in the following problem: the system ain't installing static > routes to networks 194.87.101,102,103 > Then it gets rip updates from another system on ed0 but routes > appear to the wrong interface (gateway address is right, but it's > on ed0, gated install them on ppp0) > I wonder what's wrong with the following gated.conf? Gated does not explicitly specify the interface to use. It looks like the FreeBSD kernel is getting it wrong. Jeff From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 08:07:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA28779 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:07:39 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA28769 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:07:36 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA27167; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:35:18 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506141505.AAA27167@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:35:17 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 14, 95 10:15:16 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1190 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jan Isley stands accused of saying: > Michael Smith wrote: > > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > > This is totally bogus. C news is *not* stagnant and is *the* choice > of many thousands of sites. It depends on what the individual site > needs are. For a low volume site, INN is overkill, an unnecessarily > large drain on system resources. My last reading of the release documentation for Cnews was that the involved parties had lost interest in any further development. If there's no significant news traffic, INN just soaks your swap. Swap is cheap 8) If you want a _small_ news system, I recommend Wnews. Cnews configuration can be a real heartache for the uninitiated, but then again, so can INN. YMMV. > Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 08:14:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA29443 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:14:00 -0700 Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [199.98.84.132]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA29433 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:13:53 -0700 Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA02304; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:10:39 -0500 From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199506141510.KAA02304@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: NCR SCSI driver emiting: in getcc reselect by t0. To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:10:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140841.AA10668@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 14, 95 10:41:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2445 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser wrote: > > On Jun 13, 17:39, Bob Willcox wrote: > } Subject: NCR SCSI driver emiting: in getcc reselect by t0. > } Right after starting a "tar tvf /dev/rst1" to list the contents of > } an 8mm tape I got a number of these messages: > } > } /kernel: in getcc reselect by t0. > } > } listed on the console. I poked around in the source (sys/pci/ncr.c) > } and it seems that I shouldn't worry too much about it (though I've > } had 30 in the last 30 minutes) since the circumstances causing the > } message don't seem to be really an error and the system appears to > } still be running ok. Can anyone shed some light on this? > > The messages appear when doing a "tar tvf" ? > I guess there is other disk activity on target 0 on the same > host adapter as the tape is connected to ? Yep, there's one disk also on this controller. It is the system's root disk, and so, is relatively busy. BTW, by the time I was done reading the tape (took over 4 hours, it had a small blocksize) I had had hundreds (maybe thousands) of these messages. > > It is a common situation (depending on the load on the SCSI bus), > that the SCSI host adapter wants to connect to a device, but > another device has just succeeded arbitrating for the SCSI bus. > This situation is dealt with in the main loop of the code > executed by the NCR. [ further discussion of GET_CC deleted ] Hmm, I am not familiar with the GET_CC command. I have some SCSI experience (ported the AIX NCR 720 driver to work on the PowerPC machines with PCI bus and 810s while at IBM) but can't seem to place the GET_CC command in the general SCSI scheme of things. Can you tell me what specific SCSI command or condition it relates to? > > } Here's my configuration: > } > } P100, 256k cache, 32mb RAM, 4 NCR 810 PCI SCSI controllers with > } the following devices: > } > } 1. 1 disk, 2 CDROM drives, 2 tape drives > } 2. 3 disks > } 3. 3 disks > } 4. 3 disks > > Quite impressive ! > 4 * NCR SCSI (which motherboard is this ???) It is a made in Taiwan board (can't find a brand name) using the Intel Triton chipset with Award BIOS and includes the NCR 810/825 BIOS (but no NCR chip). I have two of my systems here running these and have so far been quite satisfied (they were slightly cheaper [~$30] than their ASUS counterpart at the local retailer where I picked them up). -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com (or obiwan%bob@uunet.uu.net) Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 08:21:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA00552 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:21:07 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA00526 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:20:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA23506; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:26:18 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506141526.RAA23506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ed0 problems again To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:26:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141430.AAA26962@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 15, 95 00:00:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1160 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Luigi Rizzo stands accused of saying: > > It looks like the 3c503 probe is breaking something in (my) NE2000 > > card. While the kernel compiles, I have recompiled the netboot code > > (which had a similar problem -- didn't recognize the ne2000 card) > > without 3c503 and WD support, and this time it worked. > > How about answering "which (my) NE2000?" I have several (legit, Accton, > Compax) that work just fine.n The brand name is "TRUST", with BNC & 10baseT connectors, supports NE2000 and NE2000+ modes and is soft-configurable. The main chip has a big sticker with written "Ethernet Accelerator" on it, and is marked UL0020 410AC23270860tt (at least the one I just peeled off...). Don't know if this helps. It is possible that the 3c503 probe code confuses the config ports on the card. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 08:38:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA02755 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:38:51 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA02740 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:38:49 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA27234; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:02:33 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506141532.BAA27234@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ed0 problems again To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:02:32 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141526.RAA23506@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jun 14, 95 05:26:17 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1569 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo stands accused of saying: > > How about answering "which (my) NE2000?" I have several (legit, Accton, > > Compax) that work just fine.n > > The brand name is "TRUST", with BNC & 10baseT connectors, supports > NE2000 and NE2000+ modes and is soft-configurable. The main chip > has a big sticker with written "Ethernet Accelerator" on it, and > is marked > > UL0020 > 410AC23270860tt Hmm. I've seen some devices of Taiwanese origin with that name on them - is this one of those? The only 'accelerated' card I have to hand is an Accton; it's blob is labelled MPXt 432AJ24231460 The numbers are suspiciously similar, but I know for certain that this on works fine under FreeBSD. The only configuration hardware on this board is an Atmel AT93C64 (serial EEPROM), so I suspect that it's all inside the blob. > Don't know if this helps. It is possible that the 3c503 probe code > confuses the config ports on the card. It sort of implies that your card is older than this one (maybe?) and may have some compatability problems. I can't see us getting any data on these chips, unfortunately 8( > Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 08:50:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA04223 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:50:30 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA04215 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:50:27 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30903>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:51:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Anthony Graphics cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, Anthony Graphics wrote: > Supposedly bug in 950412-SNAP & 2.0.5-ALPHA? > SY, > AGL Not so much a bug as "thats the way it always worked". Some kernel changes were made to help gated users, but these are not part of GENERIC. You must compile a new kernel with this option enabled. Tom > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 22:28:24 -0400 > From: Jeffrey C Honig > To: agl@redline.ru > Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) > > > Hi there! After a couple of hours fighting gated in FreeBSD > > (the same problem inw Alpha9 and 11 gated versions). I'm stuck > > in the following problem: the system ain't installing static > > routes to networks 194.87.101,102,103 > > Then it gets rip updates from another system on ed0 but routes > > appear to the wrong interface (gateway address is right, but it's > > on ed0, gated install them on ppp0) > > I wonder what's wrong with the following gated.conf? > > Gated does not explicitly specify the interface to use. It looks like > the FreeBSD kernel is getting it wrong. > > Jeff > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 09:11:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA05934 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:11:41 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (bettina.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA05928 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:11:40 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA03361 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:58:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506141558.IAA03361@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Is FreeBSD an Answering Machine ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:58:52 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, After a couple of nites of playing around with mgetty+sendfax , my system can now pick up phone messages and sends mail notification to bettina and I get the complete phone message on my mailbox which I can listen to with exmh :) At any rate, if we ever mentioned that with a Zyxel modem and mgetty+sendfax a user can have a nefty voice answering machine , i think it will be a great think. After The Tone Download, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 09:31:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA07665 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:31:10 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA07622 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:31:05 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA15923; Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:24:18 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506141624.AA15923@cs.weber.edu> Subject: LIST PING To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:24:17 MDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am pinging the lists. 32 messages, not all of them BSD, in a 12 hour period is blatantly abnormal. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 09:37:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA08275 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:37:39 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA08268 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:37:38 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16030; Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:30:41 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506141630.AA16030@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:30:40 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141633.JAA06360@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 14, 95 09:33:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I am pinging the lists. 32 messages, not all of them BSD, in a 12 hour > > period is blatantly abnormal. > > It's perfectly normal after a release. A *drop off* in traffic? BTW, the hackerss ping has failed to return (so far), but the current and questions came back almost immediately. Hackers list blown away again? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 09:59:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA10945 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:59:16 -0700 Received: from lambda.demon.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA10834 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:59:04 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA05355; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:58:13 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506141658.RAA05355@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:57:37 +0100 (BST) Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141630.AA16030@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 14, 95 10:30:40 am Reply-To: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 651 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Terry Lambert who said > > > > I am pinging the lists. 32 messages, not all of them BSD, in a 12 hour > > > period is blatantly abnormal. > > > > It's perfectly normal after a release. > > A *drop off* in traffic? > > BTW, the hackerss ping has failed to return (so far), but the current > and questions came back almost immediately. Hackers list blown away > again? I thought my mail connection was screwed, you mean it really is this quiet? -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:07:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA12487 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:07:57 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12473 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:07:55 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA06511; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:07:53 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506141707.KAA06511@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: paul@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141658.RAA05355@lambda.demon.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Jun 14, 95 05:57:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 603 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > It's perfectly normal after a release. > > > > A *drop off* in traffic? > > > I thought my mail connection was screwed, you mean it really is > this quiet? Yes, people sit tight for some days and listen for other peoples results, make their backups (Insert floppy #127...) and then they plunge in and all hell breaks loose... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:19:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA13588 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:19:23 -0700 Received: from uuneo.neosoft.com (root@uuneo.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.84.252]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA13578 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:19:20 -0700 Received: from ris1.UUCP (ficc@localhost) by uuneo.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with UUCP id MAA00686 for freebsd.org!hackers; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:06:01 -0500 Received: by ris1.nmti.com (smail2.5) id AA21054; 14 Jun 95 10:51:22 CDT (Wed) Received: by sonic.nmti.com; id AA10133; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:14:03 -0500 From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <9506141614.AA10133@sonic.nmti.com.nmti.com> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:14:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506140247.MAA25978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 14, 95 12:17:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 483 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor relation. > You should use UUCP over TCP/IP to transport your news, and INN locally > to process it. I use a program called "slurp" to transport news over NNTP, because it gives me a local sys file... I don't have to bother my feed about changes to my subscription list. And it's receiver-driven so sceduling connections isn't a problem. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:23:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA14109 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:23:58 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA14101 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:23:52 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA27066; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:23:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:23:03 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: LIST PING To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: paul@freebsd.org, terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141707.KAA06511@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've ftp over 200megs of FreeBSD 2.0.5-Alpha( at 28.8) back when Jordan was doing the Alpha. I'm going to wait untill the Cd comes to my area, before Upgrading again , unless of course I lose the partation again :) ( what is a floppy? ;) Dats/Cds only please ) > > > > It's perfectly normal after a release. > > > > > > A *drop off* in traffic? > > > > > I thought my mail connection was screwed, you mean it really is > > this quiet? > > Yes, people sit tight for some days and listen for other peoples results, > make their backups (Insert floppy #127...) and then they plunge in and > all hell breaks loose... > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. > http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. > whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. > Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:34:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA15146 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:34:19 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA15132 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:34:15 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16651; Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:27:24 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506141727.AA16651@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:27:23 MDT Cc: paul@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141707.KAA06511@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 14, 95 10:07:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > It's perfectly normal after a release. > > > > > > A *drop off* in traffic? > > > > > I thought my mail connection was screwed, you mean it really is > > this quiet? > > Yes, people sit tight for some days and listen for other peoples results, > make their backups (Insert floppy #127...) and then they plunge in and > all hell breaks loose... I have yet to recieve anything from hackers since 5 am this morning, Eastern Standard Time. This includes all the people blindly responding to my "PING" causing me to get current and questions traffic galore, their responses being cross-posted to all three lists. The argument that "hackers is slow" is bogus (I think) because of the bulk mailer stuff. Sean says that my area of the net was unreachable to him for half of yesterday (though I didn't see any list interaction problems myself). Is anyone getting any of the stuff I sent as being mailed from hackers-owner rather than from some other route? I mean, if we are all going to talk about a "PING" message that was pretty much meant to be ignored 8^) anyway. What is the failure threshold for a list kick? Maybe it auto-kicked me? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:44:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16045 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:44:39 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (temp@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16029 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:44:32 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA27236; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:43:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:43:15 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: LIST PING To: Terry Lambert cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , paul@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141727.AA16651@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm getting your messages :) > I have yet to recieve anything from hackers since 5 am this morning, > Eastern Standard Time. > > This includes all the people blindly responding to my "PING" causing > me to get current and questions traffic galore, their responses being > cross-posted to all three lists. > > The argument that "hackers is slow" is bogus (I think) because of the > bulk mailer stuff. > > Sean says that my area of the net was unreachable to him for half of > yesterday (though I didn't see any list interaction problems myself). > > Is anyone getting any of the stuff I sent as being mailed from > hackers-owner rather than from some other route? I mean, if we are > all going to talk about a "PING" message that was pretty much meant > to be ignored 8^) anyway. > > What is the failure threshold for a list kick? Maybe it auto-kicked me? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:45:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16121 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:45:06 -0700 Received: from temptation.interlog.com (root@temptation.interlog.com [198.53.146.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16107 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:45:00 -0700 Received: (from temp@localhost) by temptation.interlog.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA27236; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:43:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:43:15 -0400 From: Temptation Subject: Re: LIST PING To: Terry Lambert cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , paul@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141727.AA16651@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm getting your messages :) > I have yet to recieve anything from hackers since 5 am this morning, > Eastern Standard Time. > > This includes all the people blindly responding to my "PING" causing > me to get current and questions traffic galore, their responses being > cross-posted to all three lists. > > The argument that "hackers is slow" is bogus (I think) because of the > bulk mailer stuff. > > Sean says that my area of the net was unreachable to him for half of > yesterday (though I didn't see any list interaction problems myself). > > Is anyone getting any of the stuff I sent as being mailed from > hackers-owner rather than from some other route? I mean, if we are > all going to talk about a "PING" message that was pretty much meant > to be ignored 8^) anyway. > > What is the failure threshold for a list kick? Maybe it auto-kicked me? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:47:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16402 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:47:56 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA16386 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:47:54 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16681; Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:36:16 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506141736.AA16681@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:36:15 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141727.AA16651@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 14, 95 11:27:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have yet to recieve anything from hackers since 5 am this morning, > Eastern Standard Time. OK. I got this one. 8^). Is there a "list uniquifier" running or something? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:55:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16992 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:55:30 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16986 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:55:30 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA06766; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:55:13 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506141755.KAA06766@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: ah1542 speed optimization To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506140722.JAA23171@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 14, 95 09:22:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Why - and I'm refering to a previous mail upon Rod already answered > and I didn't follow up immediately - does the ah1542 autoconfigure > code, when probing for DMA speeds and it is saying 100ns OK, using > 150ns, not fall back to the next nearest value, that is: 125 ns ? > > (I was asking why the table aha_speeds did not show the > 125 ns in that prev mail) it won't fall back to an entry not in the table.... > > > -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 > 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de > :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 10:58:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17305 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:58:53 -0700 Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com (4@kaiwan.kaiwan.com [198.178.203.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17296 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:58:50 -0700 Received: from exit.com (uucp@localhost) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA00774; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:57:21 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Received: (from frank@localhost) by exit.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA11234; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:44:39 -0700 From: Frank Mayhar Message-Id: <199506141744.KAA11234@exit.com> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141614.AA10133@sonic.nmti.com.nmti.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 14, 95 11:14:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 746 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor > relation. INN with UUCP has worked just fine for me for months. True, INN is a swap hog and C News would be lighter, but, like many, I find INN much easier to administer. I originally picked it because I had been running it for a former employer, was familiar with it, and saw no particular reason to go back to C News (which I've also run, though not for a while). I honestly don't see much to choose between them, unless one is running in a swap-poor environment (in which case C News is really the only alternative). Swap is cheap, though, like the man said. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 11:34:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21541 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:34:54 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21533 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:34:52 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA17922; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:33:13 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506141833.NAA17922@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141614.AA10133@sonic.nmti.com.nmti.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 14, 95 11:14:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > > Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor > relation. That strikes me as an odd statement: I am using INN in both an almost-entirely-NNTP environment (spool.mu.edu) and an almost-entirely-UUCP environment (news.sol.net) and it's actually easier to set up for UUCP than NNTP (of course I'm thinking in terms of configuring nntplink and such, otherwise I think it's about an even match in terms of difficulty). Outbound...? C-news may win out if you want to do "unusual" stuff like ihave/sendme exchanges, but for straight feeds, both seem relatively equivalent. C-news offers a slightly "cleaner" mechanism to specify how batching is to happen, INN offers a shell script that was much easier for me to understand and set options within (I had problems with C-news at first). Inbound...? INN is certainly not "batch oriented" in the way that C-news is, but is instead stream oriented. That is mostly a strength: it can pound C-news into the ground in an environment where you may have multiple rnews processes all chatting at once, although it places increased demand (VM - more processes, more activity, more context sw) on the host system. If you only have a single rnews connecting at a time, I know that there will be more csw activity under INN, but that doesn't seem horrible at the levels we are then discussing (much lower since there's only a single feed). However, I will be the first to condemn INN for using obscene amounts of memory and swap. :-) It is an excellent performer, but the system has to be reasonably able to keep up with it. > > You should use UUCP over TCP/IP to transport your news, and INN locally > > to process it. > > I use a program called "slurp" to transport news over NNTP, because it gives > me a local sys file... I don't have to bother my feed about changes to my > subscription list. And it's receiver-driven so sceduling connections isn't > a problem. That works for some folks, true. As with many things, ultimately what will work is dependent on the needs of the site... slurp does place a nice little load on the remote host, but is great for smaller subset feeds. I would never do a full feed that way ;-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 11:43:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA22291 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:43:28 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA22282 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:43:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199506141843.LAA22282@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA069285491; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:44:51 -0400 Subject: pcvt version To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 446 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I posted this to -questions and got no answers to this part... So here goes... Where do the current pcvt sources live? I'd like to try 'em on 1.1.5.1 and 2.0.5. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 11:47:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA22642 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:47:47 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA22629 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:47:32 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA22348; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:47:11 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07887; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:47:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199506141847.UAA07887@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: secure@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: DES, Crypt and eBones. Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:47:10 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks! I have had a good look at the secure code in the last few weeks, and quite frankly, it is a mess. The problems with the code I see are: (in no particular order) 1) I see no reason for 'ebones' and 'secure' to be separated the way they are. I believe they should be combined into one "export- restricted" bunch. 2) The "crypt" routine is not part of the DES library. There is a faster crypt(3) from Eric Young that could quite easily be symlinked (or whatever) to our code. Having one crypto library makes more sense. 3) The DES library is out of date. I have Eric Young's latest offering, and Kerberised telnet is just round the corner. 4) There are some nasty bugs. If you have both NIS and eBones/Kerberos, password authentication goes for a loop. ie you can only login with Kerberos password, and this does not work with ftpd(8) etc. I have a send-pr about this, and intend to address these problems. 5) There is no secure RPC. The code exists, but has not been ported. This can be sorted out with the help of the later DES library. I have commit privelige, but I would like a "boffin" to help me check out this stuff before I bung it in. Is anyone interested? -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 11:52:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA22901 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:52:10 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA22895 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:52:07 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA17965; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:51:01 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199506141851.NAA17965@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Cc: paul@freebsd.org, terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141707.KAA06511@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 14, 95 10:07:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > A *drop off* in traffic? > > > > > I thought my mail connection was screwed, you mean it really is > > this quiet? > > Yes, people sit tight for some days and listen for other peoples results, > make their backups (Insert floppy #127...) and then they plunge in and > all hell breaks loose... One hopeful so far: news.sol.net took the plunge and is happily chugging away under 2.0.5-RELEASE. It was locking about once a week under 2.0R due to VM problems, and I blew my stack on Sunday and did a hack and slash upgrade. I installed 2.0.5-R on a virgin 660MB SCSI-I disk, on a different box, planning basically to drop it in place of the old root disk and see what happened. Since the install box did not have two SCSI controllers or 7GB of disk on it, I was unable to allow sysinstall handle the details for me. I didn't figure this would be much of a problem. I got it installed, without too much ado, got an appropriately configured and tuned kernel installed, and went down to install the disk on news.sol.net. I had lots of problems with the slice code and trying to maintain my old partitions. I eventually got fed up and had to re-fdisk and re-disklabelled all the disks. Maybe my mistake was not reading the documentation carefully enough.... it was sorta ugly. :-( And, after having to "feel" my way through that process, maybe somebody can outline the canonical way to take a given SCSI disk, get it DOS partitioned, and get it disklabelled correctly. I had major problems with FreeBSD fdisk not writing specified geometries (not sure if it was updating the disk and not updating the in-core copy, sorta seemed like it after I finally managed to get it to work)... it was sorta wierd, but I attributed it to my cluelessness with the slice stuff. But, as I said, I may have missed some documentation - it was just sort of frustrating. The procedure for setting up disks correctly seems to be a bit of a moving target (I understand why, but it doesn't make it any easier for those of us who do it only somewhat frequently). Hardware config: Currently: 486DX/33, 32MB RAM, AHA1542B with 7 SCSI-I drives, AHA1542CF with 2 SCSI-II disks. VGA card going bad. SMC Elite 8013. Soon: 486DX4/100 (ASUS SP3G), 64MB RAM, NCR PCI's, etc. I don't have the board yet so I can't verify that this system works under 2.0.5R... In any case, the system is back up and running, and has yet to crash (3 days up). I wouldn't consider it a wild success story - yet - but if it lasts another week without crashing, or at least crashes and reboots, it's an improvement! :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 11:56:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA23174 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:56:33 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA23165 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:56:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA23857 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:02:38 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199506141902.VAA23857@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Diskless question To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:02:38 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1947 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Apparently all documentation on netboot has disappeared. It took me a couple of hours to understand why my 386sx wouldn't launch init & friends when booting diskless... Finally I realized that it was too slow and couldn't keep up with the server! Given that often netboot is used with slow/old machines, I think it would be *much* better to use conservative defaults on rsize and wsize (such as 1024) for NFS-mounted partitions when using netboot (I am not suggesting also the use of TCP just because not all NFS servers support it). Would someone care to apply the following patch to /sys/i386/boot/netboot/main.c ? prova# diff -c main.c.new main.c *** main.c.new Wed Jun 14 18:51:36 1995 --- main.c Wed Jun 14 18:45:04 1995 *************** *** 85,94 **** /* Initialize this early on */ ! nfsdiskless.root_args.rsize = 1024; ! nfsdiskless.root_args.wsize = 1024; ! nfsdiskless.swap_args.rsize = 1024; ! nfsdiskless.swap_args.wsize = 1024; nfsdiskless.root_args.sotype = SOCK_DGRAM; nfsdiskless.root_args.flags = (NFSMNT_WSIZE | NFSMNT_RSIZE); nfsdiskless.swap_args.sotype = SOCK_DGRAM; --- 85,94 ---- /* Initialize this early on */ ! nfsdiskless.root_args.rsize = 8192; ! nfsdiskless.root_args.wsize = 8192; ! nfsdiskless.swap_args.rsize = 8192; ! nfsdiskless.swap_args.wsize = 8192; nfsdiskless.root_args.sotype = SOCK_DGRAM; nfsdiskless.root_args.flags = (NFSMNT_WSIZE | NFSMNT_RSIZE); nfsdiskless.swap_args.sotype = SOCK_DGRAM; Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 12:17:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA24710 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:17:52 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA24698 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:17:49 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43051>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:17:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA06630; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:09:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199506140009.CAA06630@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty), gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, nate@trout.sri.mt.net, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: performance... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:51:34 +0200." <9506121851.AA19130@cs.weber.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:09:31 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, I'd like to see a paper on the new VM system; > (plus such a paper would probably have historical significance 8-)). Legal significance too ! I lunch frequently with patent examiners at the European Patent Office (no, i'm not in that line of work, they're just friends nearby for lunch ), but some there periodically ask me if I know of _written_ (ie not mere email archive) proof of prior art/publication, in certain technologies ... so if we're doing anything new & innovative, we should publish it to stop some grasping shark grabbing the idea, & then trying to screw us or the world for royalties in years to come ... Julian S Munich From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 12:18:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA24790 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:18:06 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA24772 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:18:02 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43055>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:17:49 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA06425; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:17:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199506132317.BAA06425@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) cc: hackers@freebsd.org, velte@cdrom.com Subject: Re: Web Pages In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:25:16 +0200." <199506131525.LAA09264@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:17:11 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Julian Howard Stacey writes: > > Should we copy the www.freebsd.org web pages into src/ (or ports/ > > if we dont want to bloat src/ ) ? > jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes: > This might be a good "extra" to throw on the CD. Nice Idea > Another useful thing to add as a CD extra is the fully index > mailing list archive, which currently takes up about 180 meg. That'll help fill any void ;-) Maybe WC might also also want (if they dont already) to put an exact postscript copy of the jewel case covers front & back on the CD, It'd be rather nice to be able to store the images locally on various web sites round the world (to avoid the _slow_ transatlantic delay), so folks could print the image, give it to friends & relatives & say "Go buy it for my birthday/xmas/graduation present please !" Perhaps WC might want to stamp the word `DUMMY' across it though, or shrink it 20% or something to stop any dodgy schemes from rogues. PS I copied this to Jack Velte, as Jordan's away. Julian S Munich From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 12:18:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA24954 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:18:46 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA24930 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:18:41 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43054>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:18:08 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA06180; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:42:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199506132242.AAA06180@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Marino.Ladavac@aut.alcatel.at cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Slow networking with SMC Elite Ultra In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:52:17 +0200." <9506131352.AA07855@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:42:12 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have two 486 boxes on the isolated piece of ether. I've set > up networking between the boxes, and they see each other and > communicate okay, but *very slowly*. You have 50 ohm terminators on each end of the co-ax ? (a local friend 3 weeks ago didnt know this was needed, sorry to be basic ;-) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 12:19:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA25108 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:19:41 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA25069 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:19:13 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43064>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:18:57 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA05776 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:46:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:46:57 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199506132146.XAA05776@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: x session crash Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is not a bug report or even a complaint, merely an observation ... My X session just collapsed & I had to login again, I've no idea what did it, & it doesn't worry me much, but it could've been a little embarassing during a customer demo or some such, perhaps it was just the old kernel, or X , or .. I was running my current (from yesterday) system with a kernel from a couple of weeks back, with a slip con. & 5 chimeras, & fvwm the odd vi or 2 & exmh, & a colour ghostview (of something I'd just picked up on thge Web), all on my 486, ie normalish load, 'cept a couple more chimeras than usual, + I don't normally ghostview in colour It wasnt the gv alone BTW, after I'd dropped the slip, gv started OK again, Whatever, s/w or hardware glitch ... it's just a datum PS I'm running an old kernel 'cos I'm one of those folks caught by the slice changes that hasn't figured it all out yet, & the old kernel is happy ;-) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 12:42:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA27158 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:42:13 -0700 Received: from victor.innovus.com (victor.innovus.com [192.75.186.54]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA27151 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:42:10 -0700 Received: (from martin@localhost) by victor.innovus.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00766; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:59:32 -0400 From: Martin Renters Message-Id: <199506141959.PAA00766@victor.innovus.com> Subject: Re: Diskless question To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506141902.VAA23857@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Jun 14, 95 09:02:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 664 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Apparently all documentation on netboot has disappeared. The documentation has moved to /usr/src/share/doc/handbook/diskless.sgml it seems. > It took me a couple of hours to understand why my 386sx wouldn't > launch init & friends when booting diskless... Finally I realized > that it was too slow and couldn't keep up with the server! The problem here is probably more with the ethernet card you're using, rather than the CPU. You can set the rsize/wsize paramaters in your cfg.x.x.x.x file by putting in the lines swapopts rsize=1024 wsize=1024 rootopts rsize=1024 wsize=1024 That way it doesn't affect those cards that can handle 8K requests. Martin From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 14:18:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00286 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:18:12 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00280 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:18:07 -0700 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA21129; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:17:44 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id RAA12544; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:17:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Terry Lambert cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , paul@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LIST PING In-Reply-To: <9506141727.AA16651@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: [some stuff deleted] > > Is anyone getting any of the stuff I sent as being mailed from > hackers-owner rather than from some other route? I mean, if we are > all going to talk about a "PING" message that was pretty much meant > to be ignored 8^) anyway. > > What is the failure threshold for a list kick? Maybe it auto-kicked me? > I just asked majordomo, you're still on the freebsd-hackers list. > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 14:25:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00537 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:25:44 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00531 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:25:36 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA23959 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:25:24 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id XAA29118 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:25:22 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506142125.XAA29118@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:25:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141505.AAA27167@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 15, 95 00:35:17 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 420 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Cnews configuration can be a real heartache for the uninitiated, but then > again, so can INN. YMMV. INN may be sometimes more difficult to set up the first time but after, it is a real pleasure to administrate (i.e. almost nothing to do except reading daily reports). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 14:28:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00647 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:28:26 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00607 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:28:22 -0700 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA21856; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:28:16 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id RAA12654; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:28:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LIST PING In-Reply-To: <9506141624.AA15923@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > I am pinging the lists. 32 messages, not all of them BSD, in a 12 hour > period is blatantly abnormal. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > Curious. I just got this, 17:24 Eastern. I sent my response to you and hackers about 20 minutes ago, I got it 20 seconds after I got this. You must be at the tail of the list. Matter of fact, when I checked the majordomo who response, you were near the end of the list. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 14:31:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00932 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:31:37 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00913 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:31:35 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA24009 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:31:24 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id XAA29148 ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:31:23 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506142131.XAA29148@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:31:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141614.AA10133@sonic.nmti.com.nmti.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 14, 95 11:14:03 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 525 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor > relation. My feed has been UUCP based for two years and I don't see the "poor relation" you're describing. The default sendbatch is not very clever but the perl version (sendbatches) from C. Wolfhugel is pretty good. We are several UUCP sites here in France almost eveyone of them is using INN. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 15:02:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA01518 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:02:32 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA01511 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:02:28 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id RAA25458; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:55:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: LIST PING To: Chuck Robey cc: Terry Lambert , hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > I am pinging the lists. 32 messages, not all of them BSD, in a 12 hour > > period is blatantly abnormal. > > Curious. I just got this, 17:24 Eastern. I sent my response to > you and hackers about 20 minutes ago, I got it 20 seconds after I got this. > You must be at the tail of the list. Matter of fact, when I checked > the majordomo who response, you were near the end of the list. the list does not have 'an' end. it gets split by bulk_mailer into a set of lists, each sub-list contains 20 (command line configureable) different hosts. the number of users is not limited. the host names are sorted before the sublists are created. the mail is then queued/sent to each sub-list 'at the same time.' so the worst case is to at the end of a sub-list of at most 20 hosts. jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 15:10:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA01862 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:10:20 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA01855 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:10:18 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14499; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:10:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA10632; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:10:15 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA02733; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:54:28 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506142154.XAA02733@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: pcvt version To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:54:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141843.LAA22282@freefall.cdrom.com> from "William Pechter ILEX Systems" at Jun 14, 95 02:44:51 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 977 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As William Pechter ILEX Systems wrote: > > I posted this to -questions and got no answers to this part... > > So here goes... > > Where do the current pcvt sources live? > I'd like to try 'em on 1.1.5.1 and 2.0.5. For 2.0.5, just follow the instructions in the LINT file. Pcvt became an integral part of the system now. Basically, you'll find the whole pcvt distribution within the source tree, but it's scattered around in order to fit into the regular /usr/src structure. The kernel sources are in /sys/i386/isa/pcvt/*, accompanied by /sys/i386/include/pcvt_ioctl.h. The remainder lies in /usr/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/*, with the minor exception of the driver man page, which is in /usr/src/share/man/man4/...pcvt.4. The distribution itself is available from ftp://gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/incoming/pcvt-320b24.tar.gz -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 15:34:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA02638 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:34:44 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA02631 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:34:40 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sM0yf-000I32C; Thu, 15 Jun 95 00:32 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0sM0HH-000208C; Wed, 14 Jun 95 23:47 WET DST Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: pcvt version To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506141843.LAA22282@freefall.cdrom.com> from "William Pechter ILEX Systems" at Jun 14, 95 02:44:51 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 942 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of William Pechter ILEX Systems: > I posted this to -questions and got no answers to this part... I have only subscribed to hackers ... ;-) > So here goes... > > Where do the current pcvt sources live? > I'd like to try 'em on 1.1.5.1 and 2.0.5. I've heard rumours that pcvt is integrated in the 2.0.5 source tree. For 1.1.5.1 you might want to get the "original" package, the most recent beta 24 can be found at the address below - it should compile without problems on 1.1.5.1. pcvt 3.20 beta 24 can be found on: Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Address: 137.226.31.2 Directory: pub/incoming File: pcvt-320b24.tar.gz Size: 329831 Bytes Note: the file is invisible! hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 15:50:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA03102 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:50:40 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA03089 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:50:37 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA09895 ; Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:50:31 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sM12i-0006SmC; Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:36 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: LIST PING To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141727.AA16651@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 14, 95 11:27:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 428 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > The argument that "hackers is slow" is bogus (I think) because of the > bulk mailer stuff. I often get a response to something I posted a *day* before I get *my original* post back. Ditto other people... I may see a response 24-36 hours before the post it is a reply to. -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 15:50:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA03103 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:50:39 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA03091 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:50:38 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA09906 ; Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:50:34 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sM1FL-0006SmC; Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:49 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506141614.AA10133@sonic.nmti.com.nmti.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Jun 14, 95 11:14:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1072 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Peter da Silva wrote: > > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > > Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor > relation. vast hordes of us still use uucp and a modem for usenet. As biff would say, cnews rules for this scenario. > I use a program called "slurp" to transport news over NNTP, because it gives > me a local sys file... I don't have to bother my feed about changes to my > subscription list. And it's receiver-driven so sceduling connections isn't > a problem. ARNO, the Atlanta Regional Network Organization, 99.99% of news that is read anywhere near Atlanta, pretty much runs off of cnews and dynafeed. gatech.edu and emory.edu run INN and batch the outgoing with dynafeed to ARNO sites via modem and just about everyone of the *many* hundreds of downstream sites use Cnews. I have not looked at slurp but I understand it does much the same thing as slurp. -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 16:07:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA03606 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:07:23 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA03600 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:07:21 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA10461 ; Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:07:13 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sM1Rv-0006SmC; Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:02 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141505.AAA27167@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 15, 95 00:35:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1063 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > My last reading of the release documentation for Cnews was that the > involved parties had lost interest in any further development. Okay, I overreacted. :) I am a patch behind ... waiting for 2.0.5 to convert from Linux before I spend days compiling new software :) but this is news to me. I can imagine that Henry and Geoff could get to that point ... but really ... vast numbers of sites *still* use uucp and a modem for news and Cnews still fits that need perfectly. > If there's no significant news traffic, INN just soaks your swap. Swap is > cheap 8) If you want a _small_ news system, I recommend Wnews. not when it comes out of your lunch money, and memory still isn't. > Cnews configuration can be a real heartache for the uninitiated, but then > again, so can INN. YMMV. Ya, well I thought that when I changed over from Bnews too, but I got used to it and INN looks real messy to me. :) -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 18:24:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA13878 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:24:27 -0700 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net (sentinel.synapse.net [192.197.166.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA13866 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:24:23 -0700 Received: from windchime-01.synapse.net (windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.4/8.7.Beta.3) with SMTP id VAA14114; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Champion Message-Id: <199506150124.VAA14114@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sentinel.synapse.net: Host windchime-01.synapse.net [199.84.52.253] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:24:10 EST Reply-To: Evan Champion Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Addressed to: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr hackers@freefall.cdrom.com ** Reply to note from roberto@blaise.ibp.fr 06/14/95 11:31pm +0200 > > Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor > > relation. > > My feed has been UUCP based for two years and I don't see the "poor relation" > you're describing. The default sendbatch is not very clever but the perl version > (sendbatches) from C. Wolfhugel is pretty good. We are several UUCP sites here > in France almost eveyone of them is using INN. I handle 40 UUCP feeds off my INN server (using sendbatches.pl). I don't think that is an insignificant number and configuring INN for UUCP is extremely easy. In fact, setting up INN is pretty easy too. On the other hand, I got terribly lost trying to set up Cnews for NNTP a couple years ago when I was building the system from scratch. In my not so humble opinion, INN is the way to go no matter what you are doing with your system, be it NNTP or UUCP. The only requirement is more RAM than Cnews needs; our server is currently taking up 20 MB RAM, but on average is using only 3-4% CPU time on a DX2-66 running BSD/OS 2.0. If you have the RAM to keep yourself out of swap, INN is the way to go. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Come visit our WWW Server at: Director, Internet Systems * Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 22:26:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24963 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:26:03 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA24953 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:26:02 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02248; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:45:27 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506150445.AAA02248@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Two thumbs up (PCI on compaq) To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:45:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 347 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just wanted to thank Stefan Esser for the rapid fix to the PCI probe problems on Compaq systems, total time to solution under one week, beats the hell out of any other vendor I've had to deal with (!) Thanks! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 22:49:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA25855 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:49:50 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA25790 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:46:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA19195; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:37:42 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199506150637.LAA19195@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: LIST PING To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:37:42 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 14, 95 06:36:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 535 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The argument that "hackers is slow" is bogus (I think) because of the > > bulk mailer stuff. > > I often get a response to something I posted a *day* before I get > *my original* post back. Ditto other people... I may see a response > 24-36 hours before the post it is a reply to. Wasn't it slowed down at your own system ? I have noticed that several time on my mail machine. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 23:06:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA26408 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:06:09 -0700 Received: from gallium.csusb.edu (gallium.csusb.edu [139.182.6.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA26402 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:06:07 -0700 Received: by gallium.csusb.edu (5.4.1/140.2) id AA25390; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:04:21 -0700 From: karant@gallium.csusb.edu (Dr. Yasha Karant) Message-Id: <9506150604.AA25390@gallium.csusb.edu> Subject: PDF source? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 397 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We need source for a PDF viewer similar to the functioning of ghostscript. Documents are coming in PDF (an Adobe format?), but, so far, I have been unable to find acrobat source, only binaries. Any source out there? The target platforms include FreeBSD 2.x and several flavors of USL Unix for which Adobe does not seem to have a "free" Acrobat. Thanks. Yasha Karant karant@gallium.csusb.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 14 23:12:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA26638 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:12:08 -0700 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA26631 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:11:59 -0700 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id QAA19090; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:09:32 +1000 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199506150609.QAA19090@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: ah1542 speed optimization To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:09:31 +1000 (EST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506141755.KAA06766@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Jun 14, 95 10:55:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 258 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer writes: > > (I was asking why the table aha_speeds did not show the > > 125 ns in that prev mail) > it won't fall back to an entry not in the table.... This begs the question .. what is the appropriate value for 125ns .. 0x90 ? michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 00:28:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA27979 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:28:37 -0700 Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA27972 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:28:31 -0700 Received: by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id JAA07001; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:28:19 +0200 From: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Message-Id: <199506150728.JAA07001@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Subject: Crashed To: admin@IAEhv.nl Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:27:34 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 613 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just another FAQ since I could go through the sources, and find out what it is about. This is on the system I described before, which had a medium error on a Quantum 2.1G Empire (connected to a NCR controller, ASUS P90 with 2.0R) What does it mean to get a: Jun 15 06:42:22 iaehv kernel: mb_map full just befor a system crashes? But no medium errors are detected around that same time. Has it anything to do with the bad disk? I think I found most of the places corrupted by the badspot and move these dirs/files to places no longer used by the system. A sort of quarantine for bad files. Thanx, WjW From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 00:57:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA28832 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:57:43 -0700 Received: from risc6.unisa.ac.za (risc6.unisa.ac.za [163.200.97.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA28824 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:57:21 -0700 Received: by risc6.unisa.ac.za (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20001; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:55:47 +0200 From: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za (A. Radovanovic) Message-Id: <9506150755.AA20001@risc6.unisa.ac.za> Subject: Majordomo software To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:55:47 +0200 (USAST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 152 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Could anybody advice me where can I ftp majordomo software, or any other package for maintaining mailing lists. Regards, Alex radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 01:10:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA29458 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:10:02 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA29444 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:09:40 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03601; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:51:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA13539 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:51:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA00337 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:34:47 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506150734.JAA00337@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:34:46 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 14, 95 07:02:14 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 667 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jan Isley wrote: > > > Cnews configuration can be a real heartache for the uninitiated, but then > > again, so can INN. YMMV. > > Ya, well I thought that when I changed over from Bnews too, but I got > used to it and INN looks real messy to me. :) I can confirm that configuring INN is just the only difficulty. Once it's running, it's the piece of software that requires the least maintenance efforts i've ever seen (i.e., just read the daily mails, unless something's going wrong, e.g. a disk runs out of space). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 01:10:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA29501 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:10:28 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA29468 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:10:03 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03607; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:52:02 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA13542; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:51:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA00379; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:45:10 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506150745.JAA00379@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bin/514: mt & chflags must be static and/or in /bin To: root@totum.muc.de Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:45:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506150020.RAA08157@freefall.cdrom.com> from "root@totum.muc.de" at Jun 14, 95 05:20:04 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 871 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [Discussion moved to -hackers] As root@totum.muc.de wrote: > > The mt is independent of the chflags problem. > o I could not wind tho the 2'nd backup on the Tape (the /usr backup) > 'cause of the shared mt. You didn't learn your Unix lessons very well. :-) What about cat /dev/nrst0 > /dev/null ? :-) Anyway, after merging the old st(8) functionality into mt(1), there are other reasons now to put mt(1) into the set of ``emergency recovery tools''. You can use it now to setup the parameters of a SCSI drive, and _this_ will be a showstopper if you need it and don't have it. /sbin is the wrong place. The command is a user command, and used to live under /usr/bin, so we should move it to /bin. Other opinions? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 02:33:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA01594 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 02:33:15 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@slip.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA01586 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 02:33:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:29:29 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: Tom Samplonius cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Samplonius > To: Anthony Graphics > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, Anthony Graphics wrote: > > > Supposedly bug in 950412-SNAP & 2.0.5-ALPHA? > > SY, > > AGL > > Not so much a bug as "thats the way it always worked". Some kernel > changes were made to help gated users, but these are not part of > GENERIC. You must compile a new kernel with this option enabled. Which option exactly? Thanx! AGL > > Tom > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 22:28:24 -0400 > > From: Jeffrey C Honig > > To: agl@redline.ru > > Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) > > > > > Hi there! After a couple of hours fighting gated in FreeBSD > > > (the same problem inw Alpha9 and 11 gated versions). I'm stuck > > > in the following problem: the system ain't installing static > > > routes to networks 194.87.101,102,103 > > > Then it gets rip updates from another system on ed0 but routes > > > appear to the wrong interface (gateway address is right, but it's > > > on ed0, gated install them on ppp0) > > > I wonder what's wrong with the following gated.conf? > > > > Gated does not explicitly specify the interface to use. It looks like > > the FreeBSD kernel is getting it wrong. > > > > Jeff > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 03:00:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA01938 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 03:00:53 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA01930 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 03:00:48 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id FAA16453; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:53:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:52:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Majordomo software To: "A. Radovanovic" cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506150755.AA20001@risc6.unisa.ac.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, A. Radovanovic wrote: > Could anybody advice me where can I ftp majordomo software, or any > other package for maintaining mailing lists. > ftp.greatcircle.com Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 04:44:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA04100 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:44:35 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA04094 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:44:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA05990; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:42:19 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:42:19 -0300 Message-Id: Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: Alexandre Pinto - DSRC To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Enderecos Eletronicos Municipais X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oi pessoal, Alguem sabe informar se as prefeituras abaixo tem endereco eletronico ? Sao elas: Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte, Salvador, Sao Jose dos Campos-SP, Campinas-SP, Ribeirao Preto-SP, Sorocaba-SP, Diadema-SP, Betim-MG, Contagem-MG. Agradeco antecipadamente a qualquer ajuda, ____________________________________________________________________ |____________________________________________________________________| |___ ____| |___ Alexandre Jose' P. R. Barros (alexande@softex.emprel.br) ____| |___ Analista de Suporte ____| |___ Empresa Municipal de Informatica - EMPREL ____| |___ Recife - Pernambuco - Brasil ____| |____________________________________________________________________| |____________________________________________________________________| From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 04:56:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA04728 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:56:56 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA04721 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:56:53 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id HAA19300; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:50:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Web Pages To: John Fieber cc: Peter da Silva , hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506141321.JAA15048@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, John Fieber wrote: > > There's a small HTTP server Karl Lehenbauer wrote in Tcl, it's a > > couple hundred lines of code. It could be made the default... > > However, Tcl isn't in the standard distribution. A > quick-and-dirty server in perl would probably be a better choice. > I vaguely recall one being mentioned in the last discussion of > this issue on hackers. I'll have to check the archives. plexus is a full web server that could be hacked down to minimal capability Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 05:17:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05604 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:17:07 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA05589 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:17:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA06861; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:09:46 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:09:46 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151156.AA06118@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Alguem sabe informar se as prefeituras abaixo tem endereco eletronico ? Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Sao elas: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte, Salvador, Sao Jose dos Campos-SP, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Campinas-SP, Ribeirao Preto-SP, Sorocaba-SP, Diadema-SP, Betim-MG, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Contagem-MG. Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Agradeco antecipadamente a qualquer ajuda, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: ____________________________________________________________________ Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |____________________________________________________________________| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |___ ____| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |___ Alexandre Jose' P. R. Barros (alexande@softex.emprel.br) ____| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |___ Analista de Suporte ____| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |___ Empresa Municipal de Informatica - EMPREL ____| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |___ Recife - Pernambuco - Brasil ____| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |____________________________________________________________________| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: |____________________________________________________________________| Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 05:19:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05775 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:19:53 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA05769 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:19:51 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA03385 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:01:58 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA12843; 15 Jun 95 06:57:13 CDT (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA12840 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:57:13 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506151157.GAA12840@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:57:12 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199506150734.JAA00337@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 15, 95 09:34:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 391 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I can confirm that configuring INN is just the only difficulty. Once > it's running, it's the piece of software that requires the least > maintenance efforts i've ever seen (i.e., just read the daily mails, > unless something's going wrong, e.g. a disk runs out of space). You mean there's news software that requires more maintainance than that? Even with Bnews that's all I ever did. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 05:23:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05966 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:23:00 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA05956 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:22:48 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA01827; Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:22:14 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id OAA26630 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:34:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:34:24 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506151234.OAA26630@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: quantum grand prix (ncr) bonnie results Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to the kind help from Stefan Esser I'm now able to run my 4.3 GB Quantum Grand Prix off the ASUS SP3G ncr53c810 controller. For those who might be interested here are the bonnie results. (I don't know whether the figures are good, compared to other drives/controllers - maybe someone can comment): monk: 486/DX4-100, 32MB, ASUS SP3G ncr53c810 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU monk 100 1462 98.6 5321 57.3 1733 35.5 1459 98.6 5395 63.0 91.9 10.6 The only question remaining is why the Quantum Grand Prix does not work from the AH1542CF (w/ sync negotiation and FAST SCSI enabled) -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 05:25:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA06095 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:25:10 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA06087 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:25:01 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00329 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:25:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:25:32 +0100 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199506151225.NAA00329@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: "How to install 2.0.5R" tutorial wanted. Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I think it can be safely said that, largely, 2.0.5R is easier to install that 2.0R. However, there are also some new concepts being introduced here and it's already been noted that the 2.0.5R installation isn't entirely fault-tolerant when it comes to users coloring outside the lines. Therefore, I thought it might be nice if someone could write down the steps involved in a "typical installation", one chapter each for tape, ftp, NFS and floppy (the CDROM install I don't expect anyone to document yet, given that the CDs aren't back from duplication! :). I also don't think that the various types of installation instructions need necessarily be done by the same person - one composite document could be put together from a variety of sources. Yes, I've already written an "installation guide", but I think that I'm too close to the problem and there are aspects of the installation that I probably took far too much for granted when I wrote the doc. Something written from the user's point of view would be FAR superior to my own stuff, and would save new installers a lot of trouble. If the users of FreeBSD are going to have better initial doc and support then to some extent they're going to have to help themselves. I and the other people working at the core will certainly do our best but there's no substitute for perspective, and we're far too wrapped up in the process to always know how it looks from the "outside." Any takers? It would be of great help, and your chance to do your bit to enhance FreeBSD overall. Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 05:41:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA06932 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:41:18 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA06920 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 05:41:14 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA07480; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:40:41 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:40:41 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151233.AA07151@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:03:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12947 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:03:14 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12939 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:03:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00463 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:03:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Any hints from MH users of POP? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:03:34 +0100 Message-ID: <461.803221414@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm using POP here and invoking it with: inc -noapop -truncate -host freefall.cdrom.com Which works just fine, except for the fact that inc is no longer "transparently", e.g. I can't just do an `i' from mh-e mode in emacs. I've read the man page for `inc' many times, but there doesn't seem to be any kind of `inc options' file, nor can I figure out a way of typing in the password when running it from emacs anyway. How do more frequent pop users deal with this? I generally don't use POP unless I'm in an unusual situation, as I am at the moment in Ireland.. :-) Also, on the subject of general authentication, does "popper" deal with "APOP" and, if so, how do people generally configure it to send the appropriate password? Sorry for all these questions, but the documentation (which I have indeed read!) that accompanys MH is rather sparse! Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:04:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA13041 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:04:18 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA13033 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:04:13 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA07933; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:04:04 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:04:04 -0300 Message-Id: Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: mptoledo@ifqsc.sc.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Allguem usa/usou o Netware 4.1 e o UnixWare? se sim o que estao achando? [....]s Eng. Marcio Toledo Analista de Sistemas Senior e-mail ; mptoledo@ifqsc.sc.usp.br From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:12:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA14338 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:12:35 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA14317 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:12:20 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA04453; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:12:13 +0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:12:12 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Too many open files in system Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Played around with running various CGI's on the NCSA httpd 1.4 server on one of my FreeBSD 2.0.5 machines this past week. Test conditions: 50 clients on the local Ethernet making random requests for HTML and CGI scripts, with a delay thrown in to simulate slow, lagged connections. Good news: the server was handling 15+ requests per second. Bad news: the machine would lock up not more than 45 minutes after the pounding began. :( John Dyson suggested it might have been an NFS-related problem, but performing the tests both with an NFS-mounted htdocs/ and a local htdocs/ directory made little difference. Everything runs fine (if not slowly) for the first little while, then all of a sudden, almost all disk activity stops. Existing processes still run (e.g., I can continue to read mail, or switch screens in iscreen) but new ones will not start (e.g., I cannot get a login prompt when telnetting in). I believe it may also involve the pager, since swapped out processes are not swapped back in (e.g., quitting the mail reader, but not getting the shell prompt back). The machine is still *running*, but practically useless since it appears the VM system has pretty much locked up. Makes it rather difficult to find more details on the problem. :( The only thing I can do is reboot. During one of the trials, syslog was going nuts logging this to disk: Jun 14 12:53:15 aries syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Jun 14 12:53:15 aries last message repeated 3 times Jun 14 12:53:15 aries /kernel: file: table is full Jun 14 12:53:15 aries syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Jun 14 12:53:15 aries last message repeated 3 times Jun 14 12:53:15 aries /kernel: file: table is full [...repeat 18-20 times per second...] In all cases, the common problem is "too many open files in system". The httpd error log shows CGI scripts failing for the same reason. Also, I see this in the error log: [Wed Jun 14 12:51:19 1995] httpd: could not create IPC pipe [Wed Jun 14 12:52:51 1995] socket error: accept failed The first is produced while the server can still run, and the second appears to occur after everything has died, and is repeated in the log file at a rate of 200+ per second!!! This is in pre-forking mode, if it makes any difference. My kernel is compiled with the following options: options "NMBCLUSTERS=1024" options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=256" <-- does this help? The one time I was able to get an "fstat | wc -l" to work, it showed 1150 files open. This is with no other users logged on, and X was not running (essentially in dedicated Web server mode). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:21:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA14853 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:21:12 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA14844 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:21:11 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA24680 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:24:35 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506151324.JAA24680@haven.ios.com> Subject: HD Geometry dirty trick To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:24:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 386 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first value for other capacities , one can get painless install . Foe example , if you install 4Gb HDD - we multiply 1023 by 4 and use 4092/64/32 Geometry. For 300Mb SCSI disk we use (Int(1023/3.3))/64/32 and so on. Worked for me in all cases Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:23:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA15050 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:23:42 -0700 Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA15042 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:23:30 -0700 Received: from totum by colin.muc.de with UUCP id <25629-2>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:14:29 +0200 Received: (from root@localhost) by totum.muc.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05370; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:29:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:29:50 +0200 From: Michael Reifenberger To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: bin/514: mt & chflags must be static and/or in /bin In-Reply-To: <199506150745.JAA00379@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:45:10 +0200 > From: J Wunsch > To: root@totum.muc.de > Cc: FreeBSD hackers > Subject: Re: bin/514: mt & chflags must be static and/or in /bin > > [Discussion moved to -hackers] > > As root@totum.muc.de wrote: > > > > The mt is independent of the chflags problem. > > o I could not wind tho the 2'nd backup on the Tape (the /usr backup) > > 'cause of the shared mt. > ... Whats with the chflags problem? Is the also a trivial workaround for it? Bye! ---- Michael Reifenberger From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:31:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA15566 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:31:05 -0700 Received: from singularity.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (root@singularity.bevc.blacksburg.va.us [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA15560 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:31:03 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by singularity.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA14818; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:31:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Struble Reply-To: cstruble@vt.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Fresco Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a working version of Fresco for FreeBSD 2.x? I managed to get it compile after fighting with it for a long while yesterday, but none of the example programs work. They die either with assertions or with a loader error. Thanks. See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:36:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA16007 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:36:15 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA15995 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:36:09 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA08177; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:34:19 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:34:19 -0300 Message-Id: Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk please stop sending this material to freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org thank you, jmb On Thu, 15 Jun 1995 fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br wrote: > Command: Command: Oi pessoal, > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Alguem sabe informar se as prefeituras abaixo tem endereco eletronico ? > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Sao elas: > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte, Salvador, Sao Jose dos Campos-SP, > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Campinas-SP, Ribeirao Preto-SP, Sorocaba-SP, Diadema-SP, Betim-MG, > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Contagem-MG. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Agradeco antecipadamente a qualquer ajuda, > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Too many invalid commands; ignoring rest of message. > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:40:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA16276 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:40:48 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16268 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:40:46 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA21312 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:44:27 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199506151344.JAA21312@ns1.win.net> Subject: re: Too many open files in system To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:44:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 901 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: Brian Tao > The machine is still *running*, but practically useless since it > appears the VM system has pretty much locked up. Makes it rather > difficult to find more details on the problem. :( The only thing I > can do is reboot. During one of the trials, syslog was going nuts > logging this to disk: > > My kernel is compiled with the following options: > > options "NMBCLUSTERS=1024" > options "CHILD_MAX=128" > options "OPEN_MAX=256" <-- does this help? > I use: maxusers 256 child_max=128 open_max=128 nmbclusters=768 swap space on disk = 128mb I don't see the problem as "often". Could some other parameter be keyed off of the maxusers that influences this? In addition I use a different web server (cern), so maybe there is a file descriptor leak in the one you are using? Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 06:49:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA16846 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:49:58 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16792 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:48:51 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA08969 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:48:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199506151348.PAA08969@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: mtree Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:48:05 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello, I tried the following: rm -rf /usr/games mtree -deU -f /usr/src/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr It was not able to create /usr/games/hide because it didn't create dir /usr/games first. I tried with -p /an-empty-dir (make hierarchy DESTDIR=...) and it worked as expected. It also worked fine with: mkdir /usr/games mtree -deU -f /usr/src/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr Can someone explain me why it fails in the first case? -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:07:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA17438 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:07:14 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA17429 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:07:04 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA08453; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:04:56 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:04:56 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151252.AA07633@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Command: Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. 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Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: ---------- Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Command: Command: Sao elas: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Too many invalid commands; ignoring rest of message. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:09:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA17550 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:09:03 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA17533 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:08:53 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA04852; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:08:39 +0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:08:38 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "How to install 2.0.5R" tutorial wanted. In-Reply-To: <199506151225.NAA00329@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I think it can be safely said that, largely, 2.0.5R is easier to install > that 2.0R. However, there are also some new concepts being introduced > here and it's already been noted that the 2.0.5R installation isn't > entirely fault-tolerant when it comes to users coloring outside the > lines. I think one of the most commonly asked questions is, "Can I keep using my old partitions?" At first glance it appears that FreeBSD recognizes existing slices, but then for some reason you get the "Missing operating system" or "Partition is out of reach from bios" message when you try to reboot. The disk geometry works perfectly well on a pre-2.0.5 system, but for some reason, you need to use MS-DOS to wipe everything out and redo the partitioning from scratch. I know I'm not alone with this problem (and I needed to do this with all the machines here). If the existing partitioning works, why should the user be forced to redo everything? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:10:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA17725 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:10:31 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA17715 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:10:26 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA04863; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:10:20 +0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:10:20 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: File server fileserv: transaction log In-Reply-To: <9506151233.AA07151@mixit.ansp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995 fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br wrote: > > Command: Command: Oi pessoal, > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- [...] What da heck? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:32:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21110 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:32:17 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21099 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:32:10 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id QAA29276; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:31:48 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.GUN.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA03300 Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:21:58 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199506151421.QAA03300@knobel.GUN.de> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:21:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jan Isley" at Jun 14, 95 10:15:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3767 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Michael Smith wrote: > > > Julian Howard Stacey stands accused of saying: > > > > > > Question: > > > Which manuals should I read for which tools, to get my host to > > > download a few newsgroups from my IP provider to read off line ? > > > It seems FreeBSD offers a choice between at least nntp, cnews, & inn. > > > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > > This is totally bogus. C news is *not* stagnant and is *the* choice > of many thousands of sites. It depends on what the individual site > needs are. For a low volume site, INN is overkill, an unnecessarily > large drain on system resources. Apropos System recources. I don't think, that inn costs more performance than cnews does... Cnews is slow compared with inn. When sending news there are several shell scripts and programs (but mostly shellscripts) called to postprocess the News articleis. When receiving News, then the articles are first copied to the Cnews incoming spool directory and after that processed by another programm. There are about 5 or six entries in the crontab file necessary for a well configured C-news system. You have to fiddle around with the times, when to execute the tasks and so on. If a strange error occurres, it's kinda hell to hack through that many scripts and filter programs... Compared to that inn is very much better. First it's designed for throughput. There is only one daemon programm running, called innd, which acts as a nntp server. Do you call that one and only daemon program, that acts as a NNTP Server an "overkill" ?! Compared to Cnews inn does not the braindamaged copying of incoming News batches from the UUCP to the News incoming spool directory. Articles will be stored by rnews directly into the News Spool Directory ! This saves disk space and overall performance !!! There is only one administration shellscript that runs on a daily basis, that does News expiration and informs you about the status of the news system (News Newsgroup, Top ten of bad newsgroups, disk space in News spool area). So the News maintenance is very easy and you have only one crontab entry ! And one for batching News are only 2. Everything very clear. No fiddeling around necessary. Since the daemon process innd is a NNTP Server, I can easily connect to the NNTP Server with Newsreader like tin and such, who understand NNTP protocoll. Another goody is, that my wife can read News, too, on her Windows PC using a nntp-able news reader. So it's an additional advantage, if you have a mini network at home. No need to setup a seperate NNTP server ! I'd recommend everybody inn, even on smaller machines (6-8 MB). Look here ... normally only one program sleeps in the background, if there is no traffic: PID TT S TIME SIZE RSS %CPU %MEM COMMAND 266 ? S 0:51 3076 636 0.0 2.1 /opt/NEWS/inn-1.4-sec2/etc/innd -p4 When reading News with rtin, you get the following additional processes: 3181 pts/5 S 0:06 2732 2216 0.0 7.1 /opt/NEWS/bin/rtin 3184 ? S 0:04 1724 1268 0.0 4.1 /opt/NEWS/inn-1.4-sec2/etc/in.nnrpd If you don't like a NNTP based Newsreaders, then you can run the normal ones, that read from a local spool directory. Then you only have the innd process running. You can additionally save space, I think, if you compile inn without the MMAP option. I have a large memory mapped active file... So innd uses up 3 MB of memory. Ok, hope you enjoyed it ;-)) Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - akl@wup.de - *** apsfilter - irgendwie clever *** ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/Linux/local/packs/APSfilter/aps-49...:-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:33:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21224 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:33:39 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21211 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:33:36 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id QAA29281; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:31:53 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.GUN.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA03309 Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:26:15 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199506151426.QAA03309@knobel.GUN.de> Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? To: frank@exit.com (Frank Mayhar) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:26:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: peter@nmti.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506141744.KAA11234@exit.com> from "Frank Mayhar" at Jun 14, 95 10:44:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1300 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > cnews and nntp are stagnant. INN is _the_ news tool of choice. > > Cnews is the tool of choice if you do much UUCP. INN treats UUCP like a poor > > relation. > > INN with UUCP has worked just fine for me for months. For me too, nearly for years under Slowaris 2.4, FreeBSD and Linux. > True, INN is a swap > hog and C News would be lighter, but, But if someone is posting something, then there are so many filter programs * mostly shell scripts * started, that I think, it's better to offer some MB swap to a friendly sleeping innd process, that consumes active memory, only if he is running and doesn't fire up many many shell and other scripts.... > like many, I find INN much easier to > administer. Yes ! news.daily once a time ! > I honestly don't see much to choose between them, unless one is running in > a swap-poor environment (in which case C News is really the only alternative). > Swap is cheap, though, like the man said. Poor swap ... bad luck ... poor system ... I recommend inn. -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - akl@wup.de - *** apsfilter - irgendwie clever *** ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/Linux/local/packs/APSfilter/aps-49...:-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:35:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21402 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:35:01 -0700 Received: from insanus.matematik.su.se (insanus.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA21389 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:34:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (jocosus.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.7]) by insanus.matematik.su.se (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04557; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:34:06 GMT Message-Id: <199506151434.OAA04557@insanus.matematik.su.se> X-Address: Department of Mathematics, Stockholm University S-106 91 Stockholm SWEDEN X-Phone: int+8162000 X-Fax: int+86126717 X-Url: http://www.matematik.su.se To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: sef@cygnus.com Subject: Poor store performance with Pentium Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:34:01 +0200 From: Torbjorn Granlund Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am exploring the Pentium pipeline, in preparation for optimizing GCC for Pentium. I just ran into something very weird with the performance of loads and stores. The loop in below takes 28 cycles/iteration if READ is undefined, and the expected 4 cycles if READ is defined. (The nops are irrelevant, but are needed in my accurate timing setup.) The only explanation I can think of to the poor write performance is that the cache is in write-through mode, not write-back mode. Does FreeBSD 2.x have support for setting the Pentium data cache in write-back mode? If it doesn't, could somebody with a good understanding of the relevant components in the kernel outline the issues involved, and what I would have to modify in order to enable write-back. Torbjorn .text .align 2 .globl _f .type _f,@function _f: movl 4(%esp),%edx movl $99999999,%eax .align 2,0x90 L2: nop nop #if READ movl (%edx),%ecx movl 4(%edx),%ecx movl 8(%edx),%ecx movl 12(%edx),%ecx #else movl %ecx,(%edx) movl %ecx,4(%edx) movl %ecx,8(%edx) movl %ecx,12(%edx) #endif decl %eax jg L2 ret Lfe1: .size _f,Lfe1-_f From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 07:43:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA21909 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:43:16 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA21903 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:43:12 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA02403; Thu, 15 Jun 95 16:42:48 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id QAA26999 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:54:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:54:57 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506151454.QAA26999@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: new install scripts (where?) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Presently it seems to be difficult to get a custom kernel onto an install floppy (boot.flp). OTOH I don't see the install scripts from boot.flp somewhere (/usr/src/etc/etc.i386 seems to still contain the 1.1.5 install scripts). How can I (without intimate knowledge of disk slicing) get a new disk fdisk'ed with the correct FreeBSD slices without access to the install scripts? -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 08:01:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22770 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:01:44 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA22760 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:01:40 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA09295; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:00:54 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:00:54 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151326.AA08098@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Allguem usa/usou o Netware 4.1 e o UnixWare? Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: se sim o que estao achando? Unknown package name: SIM ---------- Command: [....]s Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Eng. Marcio Toledo Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Analista de Sistemas Senior Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: e-mail ; mptoledo@ifqsc.sc.usp.br Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 08:34:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24975 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:34:23 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24967 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:34:20 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30738>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:35:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Anthony Graphics cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Anthony Graphics wrote: > Which option exactly? > Thanx! P2P_LOCALADDR_SHARE Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 08:43:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA25819 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:43:48 -0700 Received: from unlisys.unlisys.NET (unlisys.unlisys.net [194.64.15.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA25811 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:43:46 -0700 Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET from deadline.snafu.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 [@@]) id m0sMH51-0000I2C; Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:43 MET DST Received: by deadline.snafu.de id m0sMH4v-000IvfC; Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:43 MET DST (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) Received: (from paepcke@localhost) by arcway.snafu.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA00392 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:37:56 GMT From: Michael Paepcke Message-Id: <199506151737.RAA00392@arcway.snafu.de> Subject: Medium error To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:37:56 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP1] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 816 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : What do we have: : A P90-asus with NCR controller with a quantum 2.1 Empire as sd2. : : And this baby is generating a medium error on just one location. : Jun 13 22:19:50 iaehv kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): medium error, info = 2817606 (decimal) : : The funny (??) thing is that this cause I/O errors in INN in serveral spool : directories. I have the same problems with my Quantum Empire 1.4G and NCR53c810 periodically ... and after reformating it on an Apple Mac Computer there are no more or no less *real* "Bad Blocks" on my disk. Quantum Lables some of his Harddisks as "SCSI-III" ... and this sort of Disks seems to make trouble with FreeBSD & NCR. Ask Stefan Esser (NCR driver dev.) for more informations. I sell my Quantum Empire ! I'm very happe with my new Quantum Atlas SCSI-II Disk Drive. bye From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 08:52:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA26305 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:52:16 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA26299 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:52:11 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA02734; Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:51:59 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id SAA27127 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:04:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:04:08 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506151604.SAA27127@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: new install stuff (where?) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please ignore my previous mail about new install scripts etc. I found that /stand/sysinstall does the job. -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 08:56:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA26603 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:56:06 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA26594 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:56:04 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA00993; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:19:13 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506151549.BAA00993@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:19:13 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506151324.JAA24680@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Jun 15, 95 09:24:35 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 821 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rashid Karimov. stands accused of saying: > I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 > for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first > value for other capacities , one can get painless install . This is the geometry that the Ultrastor34F fakes, and I have yet to have any bootstrap problems with this controller; however I haven't tried with any combinations exceeeding 1024 cylinders... > Rashid Datapoint. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 09:08:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27104 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:08:05 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA27097 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:08:00 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA10425; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:06:59 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:06:59 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151356.AA08348@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: please stop sending this material to freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: thank you, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: jmb Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: On Thu, 15 Jun 1995 fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br wrote: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: > Command: Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 09:30:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28247 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:30:49 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com ([204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28240 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:30:46 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA10058; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:17:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199506151617.JAA10058@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any hints from MH users of POP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:03:34 BST." <461.803221414@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:17:12 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > I'm using POP here and invoking it with: > > inc -noapop -truncate -host freefall.cdrom.com > Well, this works for me: 1. In your mh's FreeBSD conf file, options POP2 RPOP DPOP ldoptlibs -ldescrypt 2. Rebuild mh and install it. 3. If you don't want to enter your password every time that you do an inc, create a .netrc file in your home directory, machine freefall.cdrom.com 4. inc -host freefall.cdrom.com -user jkh -truncate -norpop I modified exmh so it periodically incs my mail from netcom and sorts my mail to my designated folders. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 09:37:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28810 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:37:40 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA28800 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:37:28 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA02982; Thu, 15 Jun 95 18:36:39 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id SAA27215 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:48:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:48:49 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506151648.SAA27215@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: commerce.tgz Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any reason why commerce.tgz is existing in both, archived and unpacked form in the 2.0.5-RELEASE? -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 09:40:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29095 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:40:30 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29083 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:40:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA02210; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:39:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: new install scripts (where?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:54:57 +0200." <199506151454.QAA26999@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:39:29 +0100 Message-ID: <2208.803234369@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Presently it seems to be difficult to get a custom kernel > onto an install floppy (boot.flp). OTOH I don't see the > install scripts from boot.flp somewhere (/usr/src/etc/etc.i386 > seems to still contain the 1.1.5 install scripts). > > How can I (without intimate knowledge of disk slicing) get a new > disk fdisk'ed with the correct FreeBSD slices without access to > the install scripts? I may consider making available a special install floppy - a floppy with some changes to the sysinstall menus for greater "granularity" in the commands available. You would be able to write out just the MBR, the boot sector, the labels, fsck the filesystems only, make the filesystems only and mount/extract only as independantly selectable options. I was going to do this on my return, but now that I have good connectivity in Ireland again and can make the changes remotely, I may do it a little earlier. No promises yet, but I will at least look into it! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 09:43:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29381 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:43:44 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA29372 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:43:40 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA10847; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:42:07 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:42:07 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151431.AA08680@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Command: Command: Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:07:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01039 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:07:04 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01029 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:06:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02460; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:07:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any hints from MH users of POP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:17:12 PDT." <199506151617.JAA10058@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:07:20 +0100 Message-ID: <2458.803236040@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1. In your mh's FreeBSD conf file, > options POP2 RPOP DPOP > ldoptlibs -ldescrypt That's the problem. I'm using MD5 encryption. Bah! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:08:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01233 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:08:49 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01215 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:08:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02479; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:08:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: commerce.tgz In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:48:49 +0200." <199506151648.SAA27215@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:08:29 +0100 Message-ID: <2477.803236109@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ease of use. The archived form is grabbed by the installer, which ignores the rest, and the unpacked form is for easy browsing for those who don't want the whole whack. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:09:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01306 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:09:20 -0700 Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01288 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:09:10 -0700 Received: by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE id AA28672 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:08:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199506151708.AA28672@FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE> From: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:08:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: Michael Paepcke "Medium error" (Jun 15, 17:37) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Michael Paepcke Subject: Re: Medium error Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 15, 17:37, Michael Paepcke wrote: } Subject: Medium error } : What do we have: } : A P90-asus with NCR controller with a quantum 2.1 Empire as sd2. } : } : And this baby is generating a medium error on just one location. } : Jun 13 22:19:50 iaehv kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): medium error, info = 2817606 (decimal) } : } : The funny (??) thing is that this cause I/O errors in INN in serveral spool } : directories. } } } I have the same problems with my Quantum Empire 1.4G and NCR53c810 } periodically ... and after reformating it on an Apple Mac Computer } there are no more or no less *real* "Bad Blocks" on my disk. A medium error isn't neccessarily permanent. And if this error condition is signaled by the drive and the driver is able to return the block number to the generic SCSI code, as shown in the message above, then there is nothing wrong with the controller or driver, just with some sector on the disk! } Quantum Lables some of his Harddisks as "SCSI-III" ... and } this sort of Disks seems to make trouble with FreeBSD & NCR. No. The SCSI-III is no problem, since Quantum uses it just for marketing reasons. There is no "SCSI-III", yet. They offer a few technical details that will be part of the next SCSI standard, but that's no different from all the other drive manufacturers ... } Ask Stefan Esser (NCR driver dev.) for more informations. Can't provide you with more information. The command options to the "scsi" command that enable the automatic remapping of bad sectors has been posted to this list already. It generally is a good thing to have the drive replace bad spots early (i.e. before any data has been lost). STefan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:23:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01874 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:23:07 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01864 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:23:04 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43108>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:22:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA07459; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:12:59 +0200 Message-Id: <199506142212.AAA07459@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD an Answering Machine ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:58:52 +0200." <199506141558.IAA03361@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:12:55 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > At any rate, if we ever mentioned that with a Zyxel modem and > mgetty+sendfax a user can have a nefty voice answering machine , Congrats ! (please feel free to add tips to an FAQ :-) Nice to hear we've caught up withx Linux on this :-) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:31:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02176 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:31:03 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02168 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:30:59 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43020>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:30:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA03363 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:30:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199506151730.TAA03363@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: news software - which to use ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:44:39 +0200." <199506141744.KAA11234@exit.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:30:30 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Thank You all the many people who answered my query about which news transfer software to use for my small leaf node serial tcp/ip host. I'm still digesting all the replies ... perhaps we should have a mini FAQ or ports/news/README for this ? In the tradition of the net, as I asked the question, I'm supposed to post a summary (if requested), however, as there seem to be loads of knowledgeable people out there, I'd feel pretty daft summarising this topic. Would a short ports/news/README be good to have ? Should I write it, or could someone more news knowledgeable (not hard ;-) jot a few lines down ? Thanks All :-) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:37:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02531 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:37:43 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02525 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:37:42 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA08612; Thu, 15 Jun 95 11:30:44 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506151730.AA08612@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: PDF source? To: karant@gallium.csusb.edu (Dr. Yasha Karant) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 11:30:44 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9506150604.AA25390@gallium.csusb.edu> from "Dr. Yasha Karant" at Jun 14, 95 11:04:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We need source for a PDF viewer similar to the functioning of ghostscript. > Documents are coming in PDF (an Adobe format?), but, so far, I have > been unable to find acrobat source, only binaries. Any source out > there? The target platforms include FreeBSD 2.x and several flavors > of USL Unix for which Adobe does not seem to have a "free" Acrobat. Isn't there a BSDI and Linux Acrobat? Either should run, right? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:47:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02934 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:47:29 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA02926 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:47:28 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01753; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:47:26 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506151747.KAA01753@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Any hints from MH users of POP? To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2458.803236040@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 15, 95 06:07:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 485 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > 1. In your mh's FreeBSD conf file, > > options POP2 RPOP DPOP > > ldoptlibs -ldescrypt > > That's the problem. I'm using MD5 encryption. Bah! we should set it up for MD5 so it can be used abroad too... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 10:54:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03278 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:54:33 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA03267 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:54:22 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA24224; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:54:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA18413 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:54:15 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA01455 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:00:25 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506151700.TAA01455@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:00:25 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Jun 15, 95 08:35:09 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 322 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > Which option exactly? > > Thanx! > > P2P_LOCALADDR_SHARE Huh? I've never heard about it. It should be documented at the very least in LINT. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 11:01:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03614 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:01:33 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03608 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:01:30 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30738>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:02:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: FreeBSD hackers , Joerg Wunsch Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199506151700.TAA01455@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > > > Which option exactly? > > > Thanx! > > > > P2P_LOCALADDR_SHARE > > Huh? I've never heard about it. It should be documented at the > very least in LINT. It disappeared recently. In -current it is the default. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 11:09:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04081 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:09:00 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA04059 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:08:41 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA12682; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:07:45 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:07:45 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151104.AA10460@turtle.ipswitch.com> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: "Bob MacFadgen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to: > Please get me off this mailing list. Bob >Command: Command: Command: Oi pessoal, >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Command: Command: Alguem sabe informar se as prefeituras abaixo tem endereco eletronico ? >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: ---------- >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Command: Command: Sao elas: >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. >---------- >Too many invalid commands; ignoring rest of message. > Bob MacFadgen International Sales Manager PHONE: (617) 676-5700(Main) Ipswitch, Inc. PHONE: (617) 676-5702(Direct) 81 Hartwell Avenue FAX: (617) 676-5710 Lexington, MA USA 02173 E-MAIL: ub@ipswitch.com or bob@ipswitch.com There is no right way to do the wrong thing. -Unknown From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 11:26:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04480 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:26:20 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04473 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:26:17 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA03037; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:26:03 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506151826.LAA03037@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506151324.JAA24680@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Jun 15, 95 09:24:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 661 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi there folx, > > > I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 > for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first > value for other capacities , one can get painless install . > Foe example , if you install 4Gb HDD - we multiply 1023 by 4 > and use 4092/64/32 Geometry. > For 300Mb SCSI disk we use (Int(1023/3.3))/64/32 and so on. Fine for Adaptec controllers, not so fine for NCR controllers that like to tranlate >1G drives to xxxx/62/34, yes that is right 62/34! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 11:31:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04807 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:31:38 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA04801 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:31:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA12899; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:29:05 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:29:05 -0300 Message-Id: <199506151503.IAA28610@netcomsv.netcom.com> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: "Daniel Leeds" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File server fileserv- tr X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reply to: RE>File server fileserv: trans Hey asshole, quit sending this shit to a mailing list. -------------------------------------- Date: 6/15/95 9:36 AM To: Daniel Leeds From: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Command: Command: Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. 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Grimes" Message-Id: <199506151834.LAA03091@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: mtree To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506151348.PAA08969@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at Jun 15, 95 03:48:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1089 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > hello, > > I tried the following: > > rm -rf /usr/games > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr > > It was not able to create /usr/games/hide because it didn't create dir > /usr/games first. I tried with -p /an-empty-dir (make hierarchy DESTDIR=...) > and it worked as expected. I don't see how it could have possible attempted to create /usr/games/hide before creating /usr/games: /set type=dir uname=games gname=bin mode=0700 games uname=bin mode=0755 hide .. .. Perhaps you where not running this as root???? Mtree gets pretty sick if not run as root!!! > It also worked fine with: > mkdir /usr/games > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/mtree/BSD.usr.dist -p /usr > > Can someone explain me why it fails in the first case? Only thing I can think of is non-root trying to run this, and games gets created mode 0700 which stops you as a normal user from creating any dirs under it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 11:45:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA05275 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:45:05 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA05269 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:45:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id OAA12613; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:47:50 -0400 From: Eric Chet Message-Id: <199506151847.OAA12613@bronze.coil.com> Subject: GPL_MATH_EMULATE To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 616 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello I just recompiled the kernel for 2.0.5 to match my ASUS-SP3G dx2/66 system without any problems. The kernel is now 724K. I selected "options GPL_MATH_EMULATE" for use with ghostscript. My question is will all floating point math be emulated? Will the 486's FPU be used now? I used the option "cpu I486_CPU" also. Should I recompile everything for a I486? Will it make a difference? What does this do for xwindows? ---------------------- device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KDB" tty irq 1 vector pcrint option "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" option XSERVER ---------------------- Thank You Eric Chet -- echet@coil.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 11:56:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA05805 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:56:57 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA05799 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:56:49 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA13211; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:53:46 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:53:46 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151532.AA10056@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Command: Allguem usa/usou o Netware 4.1 e o UnixWare? 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Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: ---------- Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 12:06:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA06243 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:06:56 -0700 Received: from maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.35.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA06236 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:06:55 -0700 Received: (from yves@localhost) by maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00194 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:59:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199506151859.OAA00194@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Yves Lepage Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:59:34 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: The redes-l list Reply-To: yves@CC.McGill.CA Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've tried getting info on that damn list. I verified (telnet damnhost 25) and they don't have a listserv or majordomo alias or user. The list alias goes to catmail, which suggest that they use some kind of software for managing mailing lists. One theory: They have hackers@freebsd.org as a subscribers to their redes-l mailing and they also have their own listserv as a member. A fix would be for the FreeBSD lists manager to add redes-l@mixit.ansp.br to an ignore file (listserv can do it, not sure about majordomo though). I sent a request to redes-l for a list of all the subscribers to redes-l, if my theory checks, we'll all get the reply and we'll know for sure if hackers@freebsd.org is in fact a subscriber to their list. I hope this will help, it was my goal anyway. Yves Lepage yves@cc.mcgill.ca From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 12:07:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA06293 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:07:03 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA06262 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:07:00 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA04385; Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:06:51 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id VAA27624 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:19:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:19:00 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506151919.VAA27624@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: this fileserv rubbish Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does someone care already to sue this 'fileserv' guy? -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 12:20:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA07109 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:20:12 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA07101 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:20:08 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA04170 ; Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:20:05 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sMKRs-0006SmC; Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:19 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: "How to install 2.0.5R" tutorial wanted. To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506151225.NAA00329@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 15, 95 01:25:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1455 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > ... there are also some new concepts being introduced here and it's > already been noted that the 2.0.5R installation isn't entirely > fault-tolerant when it comes to users coloring outside the lines. OH! We are supposed to color *inside* the lines? ;-) > Therefore, I thought it might be nice if someone could write down > the steps involved in a "typical installation", one chapter each > for tape, ftp, NFS and floppy (the CDROM install I don't expect anyone > to document yet, given that the CDs aren't back from duplication! :). Having done a dos partition install about a 100 times lately (does that qualify me for a cd? :-) I will have a go at that one, as soon as I can fetch all the stuff again... it seems to have changed again since my last massive download. I will even write about how to recover from getting your MBR stepped on. :-) > Yes, I've already written an "installation guide", but I think that I'm > too close to the problem and there are aspects of the installation that > I probably took far too much for granted when I wrote the doc. Something > written from the user's point of view would be FAR superior to my own > stuff, and would save new installers a lot of trouble. please mail me a copy of what you have anyway, in case I am forgetting something, etc... -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 12:25:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA07397 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:25:28 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA07391 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:25:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA13498; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:19:49 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:19:49 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151559.AA10290@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: In reply to: Error: no files matched "REPLY" ---------- Command: > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: >Allguem usa/usou o Netware 4.1 e o UnixWare? 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Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Too many invalid commands; ignoring rest of message. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 13:00:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA00417 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:00:54 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00411 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:00:53 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA27483; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:04:10 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506152004.QAA27483@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506151826.LAA03037@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 15, 95 11:26:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 604 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, > > I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 > > for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first > > value for other capacities , one can get painless install . > > Foe example , if you install 4Gb HDD - we multiply 1023 by 4 > > and use 4092/64/32 Geometry. > > For 300Mb SCSI disk we use (Int(1023/3.3))/64/32 and so on. > > Fine for Adaptec controllers, not so fine for NCR controllers that > like to tranlate >1G drives to xxxx/62/34, yes that is right 62/34! Didn't have any expirience with NCR , but Adaptec 2940 and Bustec 946c work fine . Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 13:20:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA01699 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:20:33 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA01611 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:20:08 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA14143; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:16:23 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:16:23 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151709.AA11087@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: fileserv-Mgr@if.usp.br To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Command: Command: Command: Command: Command: Oi pessoal, Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. ---------- Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 14:06:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03425 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:06:24 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03418 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:06:23 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA13318 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:13:00 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id PAA14940 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:06:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199506152106.PAA14940@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:06:21 -0600 In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes" "Re: HD Geometry dirty trick" (Jun 15, 11:26am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 15, 11:26am, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick > > > > > Hi there folx, > > > > > > I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 > > for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first > > value for other capacities , one can get painless install . > > Foe example , if you install 4Gb HDD - we multiply 1023 by 4 > > and use 4092/64/32 Geometry. > > For 300Mb SCSI disk we use (Int(1023/3.3))/64/32 and so on. > > Fine for Adaptec controllers, not so fine for NCR controllers that > like to tranlate >1G drives to xxxx/62/34, yes that is right 62/34! Non-the-less, this seems like a really useful thing to know. I just installed 2.0.5R on an Adaptec and a Buslogic controller and each did the xxxx/64/32 trick. If we could collect these geometries for as many controllers as possible, it could save a lot of headaches for others (it really hurt to boot DOS!). --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 14:19:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA06520 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:19:33 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06513 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:19:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:19:12 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: chfn in FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I noticed the chfn in FreeBSD 2.0.5R is different than the chfn used on other BSD OS's such as SUNOS 4.1.3 and even System V Solaris. Is there anyway to get it to function like the standard chfn and also allow users to change their Real Names? Thanks. Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 14:31:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08853 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:31:26 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08802 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:31:19 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA15635; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:29:53 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:29:53 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151827.AA09653@sirius.UVic.CA> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: snetto@sirius.UVic.CA (Sergio Netto) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unregister snetto@sirius.uvic.ca From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 14:52:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA09405 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:52:42 -0700 Received: from singularity.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (root@singularity.bevc.blacksburg.va.us [198.82.204.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA09399 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:52:40 -0700 Received: (from cstruble@localhost) by singularity.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA02266; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:53:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:53:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Struble Reply-To: cstruble@vt.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Fresco progress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've got Fresco windows popping up on my screen now. The dish shell core dumps when I try to run any of the examples, but fdraw and the examples from the tutorial work just fine. I'll see what I can do with creating a port. There's some issues dealing with the dynamic loading of shared libs that need to be worked out. See ya later, Craig -- Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 14:58:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA09582 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:58:38 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA09573 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:58:04 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA15822; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:56:11 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:56:11 -0300 Message-Id: <884.803241414@westhill.cdrom.com> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: Gary Palmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File server fileserv- tr X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506151503.IAA28610@netcomsv.netcom.com>, "Daniel Leeds" writes: >Hey asshole, quit sending this shit to a mailing list. Thankyou. May I ask that you do the same for comments phrased in that tone? We DEFINATELY don't need stuff like that flying on the lists... gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 15:06:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10018 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:06:14 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA10011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:06:13 -0700 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA04403; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:06:03 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id SAA28156; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:06:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: cstruble@vt.edu cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresco progress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Craig Struble wrote: > I've got Fresco windows popping up on my screen now. The dish shell core > dumps when I try to run any of the examples, but fdraw and the examples > from the tutorial work just fine. I'll see what I can do with creating a > port. There's some issues dealing with the dynamic loading of shared libs > that need to be worked out. > > See ya later, > Craig What version of Fresco are you using? I've been looking at the version at faslab.com, dated from 1995, are you using that one? > -- > Craig Struble - Grad Student, Consultant, | > Student ACM Co-President, Virginia Tech | The space reserved for more > Email - cstruble@vt.edu | obfuscation. > URL - http://acm.vt.edu/~cstruble/ | > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 15:20:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10462 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:20:15 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10454 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:20:08 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA16171; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:18:26 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:18:26 -0300 Message-Id: <199506151917.VAA27617@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: Christoph Kukulies To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Keep this rubbish off this list!!! > Command: Command: Command: Command: Oi pessoal, > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Command: Command: ---------- > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Command: Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > Unrecognized command; try HELP for more information. > ---------- > Too many invalid commands; ignoring rest of message. > -Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950606 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0606 #0: Tue Jun 6 19:13:32 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de :/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 15:26:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10694 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:26:24 -0700 Received: from ([198.138.38.205]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10652 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:24:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:24:02 -0700 From: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Message-Id: <199506152224.PAA10652@freefall.cdrom.com> Apparently-To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk test the mail list polluter address this message should be rejected if it si not---boy am i red-faced! jmb From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 15:36:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA11376 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:36:49 -0700 Received: from galactica.galactica.it (galactica.galactica.it [192.106.152.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11348 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:36:29 -0700 Received: from [192.106.152.100] (line00.galactica.it [192.106.152.100]) by galactica.galactica.it (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA05625 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:18:59 +0200 X-Sender: davide@galactica.it (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:22:43 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: davide@GALACTICA.IT (Dott. Davide Tome') Subject: add a new disk Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I'd like to know how to add a new SCSI disk to my FreeBSD 2.0 ..... I mean, whitch is the operations I have to do to Mount a new SCSI disk in my UNIX system (E.g. fdisk, mount, etc....) Thanks for reply Ciao Davide Dott. Davide Tome' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: davide@galactica.it Galactica BBS: +39-2-29006058 Fido: 2:331/358 davide tome' Voce: +39-2-29006150 WWW: http://www.galactica.it Fax: +39-2-29006153 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 15:49:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA11977 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:49:12 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA11971 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:48:59 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA16408; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:43:29 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:43:29 -0300 Message-Id: <9506151920.AA02180@lpc1.lpc.ufrj.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: rhomberg@lpc1.lpc.ufrj.br (Ricardo Rhomberg Martins) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: saida de lista X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sr. operador, Favor tirar meu endereco desta lista. Grato Ricardo -- Ricardo Rhomberg Martins E_mail : rhomberg@lpc.ufrj.br telefone (021)280 7393 fax (021) 590 0788 Departamento de Eletronica, Escola de Engenharia - UFRJ C. P. 68.564, CEP 21945-970 Rio de Janeiro, RJ, Brasil From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 16:12:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12790 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:12:30 -0700 Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA12784 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:12:29 -0700 Received: from JIMI.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18457; Thu, 15 Jun 95 18:53:17 EDT Received: by jimi.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA13384; Thu, 15 Jun 95 18:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9506152253.AA13384@jimi.MIT.EDU> To: dufault@hda.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthreads (was Re: DCE in BSD4.4-Lite) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jun 1995 09:13:49 EDT." <199506081313.JAA04674@hda.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:53:15 EDT From: Christopher Provenzano Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Weston Ruch writes: > > > I would like to experiment with the DCE shareware available > > at gatekeeper.dec.com. However, the DCE shareware > > requires POSIX 4.0 threads. Have POSIX 4.0 threads been > > implemented in FreeBSD? > > Chris Provenzano's beta pthread package based on POSIX1003.4a Draft > 8 with a few minor patches compiles and almost runs through its > tests on FreeBSD 2.05B. The test that fails is the > floating point preemption test, which dies with a: > > > pid 4510 (test_preemption_) exited with masked floating point exceptions 0x > 4 I'm not sure that the test is even valid yet. I still have a lot of work to test floating point on many platforms. > > I'll bet bde can suggest a fix for this; I recall him commenting on > floating point in signal handlers. Any help would be appriciated. CAP From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 16:37:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13608 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:37:00 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA13602 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:36:56 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA17705; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:34:24 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:34:24 -0300 Message-Id: <199506152200.AA28842@avicenna.icsl.ucla.edu> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: marcio@ICSL.UCLA.EDU (Marcio Guidorizzi de Siqueira) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: unregister X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unregister marcio@euclid.icsl.ucla.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 17:02:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14303 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:02:34 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14292 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:02:14 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA18551; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:59:41 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:59:41 -0300 Message-Id: <9506152235.AA06300@exu.inf.puc-rio.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: celso@inf.puc-rio.br (Celso Carneiro Ribeiro) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eu quero saber quem e' o irresponsavel que esta' incluindo ou autorizando a inclusao de pessoas em uma lista sem que estas o pecam, e que ainda coloca na msg de inscricao uma informacao laconica sobre saida da lista. Recomendo que a instituicao onde este irresponsavel tem conta cancele-a imediatamente, em razao da falta de respeito aos principios eticos que se aplicam `a utilizacao de redes e contas de acesso a computadores. -- Celso. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 17:28:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA14804 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:28:12 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA14796 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:28:08 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA18779; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:24:33 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:24:33 -0300 Message-Id: <199506152240.SAA21918@sentinel.synapse.net> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject:  X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:24:02 -0700 you wrote: >test the mail list polluter address >this message should be rejected >if it si not---boy am i red-faced! You are very red faced. Evan -- Evan Champion evanc@synapse.net * Visit our World Wide Web Server Director, Internet Systems * at Synapse Internet * From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 17:49:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA15468 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:49:50 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA15462 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:49:43 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA19063; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:49:32 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:49:32 -0300 Message-Id: <199506152242.PAA20888@ax.ibase.org.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: Fausto Arinos de Almeida Barbuto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File server fileserv: transaction log X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk PELO AMOR DE DEUS, me tirem dessa droga de lista!!!!!! Fausto (barbuto@ax.apc.org) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 18:13:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16822 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:13:42 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA16805 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:13:34 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA19933; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:12:43 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:12:43 -0300 Message-Id: <199506152243.AA28934@avicenna.icsl.ucla.edu> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: marcio@ICSL.UCLA.EDU (Marcio Guidorizzi de Siqueira) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UNREGISTER X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unregister marcio@avicenna.icsl.ucla.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 18:13:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16830 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:13:42 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA16811 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:13:40 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02020; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:16:53 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506160116.VAA02020@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: add a new disk To: davide@GALACTICA.IT (Dott. Davide Tome') Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Dott. Davide Tome'" at Jun 16, 95 00:22:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1106 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there ppl, > > Hi guys, > > I'd like to know how to add a new SCSI disk to my FreeBSD 2.0 ..... I mean, > whitch is the operations I have to do to Mount a new SCSI disk in my UNIX > system (E.g. fdisk, mount, etc....) > If and when you'll be finally frustrated by this, try to use following procedure: - install the second HD and connect it - boot from install floppy - system will show you both HD's ( or more) - choose 'em all for the install - -=- do not touch 1 HD , which already carries the system - do NOT partition it and do not disklabel it. Do not ask system to modify boot sector . - Tell the system the mountpoints for the partitions on the first HD. - partition second HD in the way you want and disklabel it - choose FTP install,some _nonexisting site to grab distrib from , say ftp://qpwoeiru, and do and COMMIT System will partition _only second HD for you, disklabel it and write down new fstab into /etc/fstab and will fail trying to find bogus ftp site to grab install from. - quit the install That simple :))) It'll take 10 minutes ... probably Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 18:31:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA17763 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:31:05 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA17753 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:31:03 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id VAA11079; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:24:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: connor travan 800mb tape drive To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk having asked on hardware and received no response, i turn to this list has anyone used the connor 800mb travan tape drives? are they supported? is someone working on them? jmb--the red-faced one ;) Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 18:40:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA18530 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:40:38 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA18516 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:40:33 -0700 Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA20236; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:37:59 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:37:59 -0300 Message-Id: <9506152257.AA16552@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Originator: redes-l@mixit.ansp.br From: nellis@dugway-emh4.army.mil To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: i JUST GOT IN !! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HEY, GUYS I JUST GOT IN. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?? Ei, camaradas. Eu acabei de chegar. Que diabo passa por aqui nesta lista??? Jose Carlos From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 18:58:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA19560 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:58:25 -0700 Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [198.7.0.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA19550 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:58:24 -0700 Received: (from dleeds@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12+PanixU1.1) id VAA25896 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:58:14 -0400 From: Daniel Leeds Message-Id: <199506160158.VAA25896@panix2.panix.com> Subject: spammed list? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:58:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 127 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk is it me or is that address from .br some other mailing list blatantly feeding anything sent to it into freebsd-hackers.... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 19:12:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA20495 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:12:43 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA20485 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:12:37 -0700 From: listproc@mixit.ansp.br Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA20636; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:12:50 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:12:50 -0300 Message-Id: <9506160212.AA20636@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: listproc@mixit.ansp.br To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: gomide@fapq.fapesp.br Subject: SIGNOF REDES-L X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Actual comment must be preceded by a pound sign Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You have been removed from list redes-l@mixit.ansp.br. Thanks for being with us. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 19:15:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA20738 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:15:35 -0700 Received: from mixit.ansp.br (mixit.ansp.br [143.108.1.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA20727 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:15:22 -0700 From: listproc@mixit.ansp.br Received: from localhost by mixit.ansp.br; (5.65/1.1.8.2/25May94-0658PM) id AA20709; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:15:06 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:15:06 -0300 Message-Id: <9506160215.AA20709@mixit.ansp.br> Reply-To: listproc@mixit.ansp.br To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: gomide@fapq.fapesp.br Subject: Error Condition Re: Invalid request X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Actual comment must be preceded by a pound sign Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >SIGNOF REDES-L HACKERS@FREEBSD.ORG: You are not subscribed to redes-l@mixit.ansp.br Report any problems to 'gomide@fapq.fapesp.br'. For a list of the available requests send a message to listproc@mixit.ansp.br with a body consisting of nothing but the word HELP PS: Any subsequent requests that you might have submitted have been ignored. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 19:36:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA21713 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:36:03 -0700 Received: from leibniz.math.psu.edu (root@leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA21705 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:35:59 -0700 Received: from napier.math.psu.edu (wilcox@napier.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.4]) by leibniz.math.psu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA07117 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:35:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (wilcox@localhost) by napier.math.psu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA29692 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199506160235.WAA29692@napier.math.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Labelling of slices. What happened to controlling the device? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:35:16 -0400 From: Ken Wilcox Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Although the new 2.0.5 stuff is great and FreeBSD has made me a real fan, I have one problem. What happened to controlling the device of a partition in a label, for example: wd0a / wd0g /usr wd0h /home Although this is not that important of a topic for someone to worry about, I am just curious as to why the labelling facility on the boot.flp does not allow one to say I want my next partition to be wd0g instead of e. -Ken Wilcox This is by no means a flame of any sort, just a question as to why things changed. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 19:46:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA24540 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:46:36 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA24517 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:46:30 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA03119; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:46:28 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506160246.TAA03119@ref.tfs.com> Subject: disk handling program To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: faq@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3497 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There has been a lot of questions about disks and what to do. The situations isn't quite optimal in 2.0.5/current and hopefully somebody will get/take time to remedy this before 2.1. Presently we take a very conservative position on geometry, and it is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL that the "bios-geometry" is correct/sensible. For your boot-disk it MUST be correct. For other disks it merely have to make sense. There are two ways to get it right: A: Create a msdos partition, and delete it from FreeBSD. B: Boot freebsd with -v and look at the "bios-geometry" table it prints at the end, find the right one for this particular drive and use that. In the meantime: For those of you who really feel adventurous, you can cd /usr/src/release/libdisk make tst01 ./tst01 wd0 tst01 is a small driver program for the libdisk library, it's pretty much the same as the undocumented wizard mode in the sysinstall program. ALL GUARANTEES ARE OFF if you run it (well, we don't give any in the first place). It will NEVER write to the disk unless you ask it to. (If there is a curses-programmer with extra time at hand, please make a decent userinterface to this please. Contact phk@freebsd.org.) In particular if you send email with questions/complaints, it is very helpful for us if you can include the output from tst01 in the email. The output could look like this: ref# ./tst01 sd0 --==##==-- Debug_Disk(sd0) flags=0 bios_geom=675/128/32 boot1=0x0, boot2=0x0, bootmgr=0x0 --> 0x15040 0 2766300 2766299 sd0 whole 0x00 --> 0x15080 0 32 31 - unused 0x00 --> 0x150c0 32 2764768 2764799 sd0s1 freebsd 0xa5 C= --> 0x15100 32 65536 65567 sd0s1a part 0x07 --> 0x151c0 65568 65536 131103 sd0s1b part 0x01 --> 0x15200 131104 65536 196639 sd0s1e part 0x07 --> 0x15240 196640 1024000 1220639 sd0s1f part 0x07 --> 0x15280 1220640 1544160 2764799 sd0s1g part 0x07 --> 0x15140 2764800 1500 2766299 - unused 0x00 Column Explanation -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 The arrows show at what level this chunk of disk lives. All chunks must fit inside exactly one higherlevel chunk. 2 Pointer. This is the pointer inside the tst01 program. You pass this to the delete command: "delete 0x151c0" for instance. 3 Offset. Where on the disk the chunk starts. Can be negative for the Ontrack'ed disks. 4 Length, numbers of 512bytes sectors in chunk. 5 End, number of last sector in chunk. 6 Name. "X" means that no meaningful name can be assigned. 7 whole represents the entire disk unused space presently without a name of it's own. Some unused chunks are reserved. freebsd FreeBSD slice dos MSDOS slice part FreeBSD partition extended Extended dos partition 8 Subtype. For things which live in the MBR (freebsd,dos,extended) this is the MBR type field. For things in a FreeBSD slice, this is the disklabel type. 9 Flags C FreeBSD compatibility slice. A Active = Aligned > Extends past cyl 1023 R marked as 'root' B marked as using bad144 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 19:47:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25030 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:47:58 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25011 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:47:55 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA03129; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:47:38 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506160247.TAA03129@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Labelling of slices. What happened to controlling the device? To: wilcox@math.psu.edu (Ken Wilcox) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506160235.WAA29692@napier.math.psu.edu> from "Ken Wilcox" at Jun 15, 95 10:35:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 613 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Although this is not that important of a topic for someone to worry about, I am > just curious as to why the labelling facility on the boot.flp does not allow > one > to say I want my next partition to be wd0g instead of e. I couldn't see why we should complicate the interface with it, since 99.99% of all users I know don't care a hoot... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 20:08:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA00437 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:08:47 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA00428 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:08:45 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA12350 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:12:12 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506160312.XAA12350@haven.ios.com> Subject: 2.0.5R - misterious lockups (--MARK--?) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:12:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2861 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, After the joy of working QUOTAs in 205R came first problem: system periodically locks up under 25-30 users load in very weird way: - I have a root logged in on the console (just in case), and when the system locks up , root can type commands on the prompt ( w/o them being executed though) , switch the consoles, and when you press Enter - the screen actually goes up. But that's the only response you can get from the system - telnet/ftp from remote hosts reply "connected" and just sit there forever - ping from remote hosts work just fine - and ( The Mistery ) - there is strange message -- MARK -- in the /var/log/messages a few times before the system actually stops accepting the connections .... Any ideas ? The system is P90 PCI/Bustec 946C/128M RAM/ 1+4 Gb Seagate Barracudas Here comes the config file ( just in case ) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ne "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" ident "A32" maxusers 100 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options LARGEMEM # more than 64M options QUOTA # QUOTAS config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr controller scbus0 device sd0 device st0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint #options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 #options XSERVER # include code for XFree86 device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device de0 device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device pty 128 pseudo-device speaker pseudo-device vn pseudo-device tun 1 68,1 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 20:13:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02196 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:13:17 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02168 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:13:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13976 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:00:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199506160300.UAA13976@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: printer recommendation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:00:16 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am planning to buy a postscript printer. Is there a significance performance advantage of having an ethernet interface or how fast can we drive a parallel interface to a printer? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 20:44:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA11122 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:44:08 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA11068 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:43:59 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA05064; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:38:57 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:38:57 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506160338.NAA05064@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: rashid@haven.ios.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 >> for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first >> value for other capacities , one can get painless install . >> Foe example , if you install 4Gb HDD - we multiply 1023 by 4 >> and use 4092/64/32 Geometry. >> For 300Mb SCSI disk we use (Int(1023/3.3))/64/32 and so on. >Fine for Adaptec controllers, not so fine for NCR controllers that >like to tranlate >1G drives to xxxx/62/34, yes that is right 62/34! I.e., 64/32 geometry works if it was the correct (BIOS) geometry all along. Otherwise, it is unlikely to work. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 20:56:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA14902 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:56:31 -0700 Received: from cancer.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA14893 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:56:27 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by cancer.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04692; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:55:35 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:55:35 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199506160300.UAA13976@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > I am planning to buy a postscript printer. Is there a significance > performance advantage of having an ethernet interface or how > fast can we drive a parallel interface to a printer? I'm planning to buy a LaserJet 4MP (maybe at more of a discount, now that the LaserJet 5's are out and about)... there's been pretty much unanimous agreement amount HP owners that this printer is a real gem. I've heard Lexmarks give good bang for the buck too. When the printer gets here, I haven't decided whether I'll connect it to one of the SGI's (which can only drive it via the parallel port with the IRIX Impressario driver) or on a FreeBSD box. It will probably depend on the ease of SysV->BSD printing vs. BSD->SysV printing. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 21:03:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA18136 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:03:17 -0700 Received: from cancer.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16765 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:00:38 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by cancer.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04704; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:00:23 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:00:21 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: re: Too many open files in system In-Reply-To: <199506151344.JAA21312@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > I use: > > maxusers 256 > child_max=128 > open_max=128 > nmbclusters=768 > > swap space on disk = 128mb Trying that config now (except with only 64 megs swap on a 16-meg system). > I don't see the problem as "often". Could some other parameter be keyed > off of the maxusers that influences this? In addition I use a different > web server (cern), so maybe there is a file descriptor leak in the one > you are using? It very well could be the problem. I haven't been following NCSA httpd's progress too closely, but I just downloaded 1.4.1 last night (been using 1.4). Even with the above options, the machine/VM pager still chokes up and dies. However, if I substitute the Apache 0.65 server (standard forking model) for NCSA httpd, the problem goes away. I'll try NCSA in standard forking mode next to see if that is the problem. Unfortunately, I no longer have any pre-2.0.5 machines around for an additional comparison. :-/ -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 21:04:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA18554 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:04:14 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA18540 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:04:13 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10805; Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:57:18 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506160357.AA10805@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R - misterious lockups (--MARK--?) To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:57:18 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506160312.XAA12350@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Jun 15, 95 11:12:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > After the joy of working QUOTAs in 205R came first > problem: > system periodically locks up under 25-30 users load > in very weird way: Are you using quotas on more than one mounted FS? I heard there were problems with doing that. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 21:32:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA23301 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:32:08 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23293 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:32:02 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA02155; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:55:07 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506160425.NAA02155@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:55:06 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506160300.UAA13976@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Jun 15, 95 08:00:16 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1081 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > I am planning to buy a postscript printer. Is there a significance > performance advantage of having an ethernet interface or how > fast can we drive a parallel interface to a printer? I've never seen a laser printer that would take much more than 100K/sec via a parallel interface; the Laserjet 4 ethernet interface I've played with seemed to be happy with several times that. AFAIK, you can configure them to use the LPR protocol as well, so they're effectively a network printer. If you're doing PS, get the _fastest_ processor you can - ps isn't terribly bulky (unless you have lots of bitmaps with it), but rendering it can take an age. > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 21:54:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA24057 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:54:45 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA24051 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:54:43 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06668; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:54:40 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA22379; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:54:40 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02284; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:06:20 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506152206.AAA02284@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: GPL_MATH_EMULATE To: echet@coil.com (Eric Chet) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:06:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506151847.OAA12613@bronze.coil.com> from "Eric Chet" at Jun 15, 95 02:47:49 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1145 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Eric Chet wrote: > > I selected "options GPL_MATH_EMULATE" for use with ghostscript. My question > is will all floating point math be emulated? Will the 486's FPU be used now? > I used the option "cpu I486_CPU" also. As long as you don't disable device ``npx0'', the FPU will get precedence over an emulator. > Should I recompile everything for a I486? Will it make a difference? Leaving all math emulators out will make the kernel smaller, and since the kernel permanently resides in RAM, will give you more RAM. > What does this do for xwindows? > ---------------------- > device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KDB" tty irq 1 vector pcrint > option "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" > option XSERVER > ---------------------- It's an alternate console driver, you'd have to disable the `sc0' driver. Only for Xwindows, you certainly don't want to use it. It's a bit bigger than syscons, but gives you a very reasonable DEC VT220 emulation. If you seldom use text mode, this won't be an improvement for you. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 22:02:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24452 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:02:52 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA24446 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:02:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00299; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:49:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199506160449.VAA00299@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:55:06 +0930." <199506160425.NAA02155@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:49:15 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Michael Smith said: > > If you're doing PS, get the _fastest_ processor you can - ps isn't terribly > bulky (unless you have lots of bitmaps with it), but rendering it can take > an age. Does the HP Laser 4MP qualified as a printer having a fast processor and does any one know how much more is the ethernet interface? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 22:05:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24618 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:05:05 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA24608 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:05:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA04056; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:05:09 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this fileserv rubbish In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:19:00 +0200." <199506151919.VAA27624@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:05:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4054.803279109@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Does someone care already to sue this 'fileserv' guy? That's not the answer.. I think that what needs to be done now and in the future is to warn the offending postmaster once, and if they don't respond or fix the problem then block ALL mail from their site. If the problem continues, then block all mail from their entire domain (such should be possible with majordomo, yes?). This is hard on the users there, but said users are also a lot closer to the postmaster than we are and can bring a lot more pressure to bear. If they have a vested interest, they'll do it a lot faster. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 22:19:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA25126 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:19:19 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA25110 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:19:06 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA07652; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:13:04 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:13:04 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506160513.PAA07652@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, phk@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: disk handling program Cc: doc@freebsd.org, faq@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >For your boot-disk it MUST be correct. For other disks it merely have >to make sense. >There are two ways to get it right: >A: Create a msdos partition, and delete it from FreeBSD. >B: Boot freebsd with -v and look at the "bios-geometry" table > it prints at the end, find the right one for this particular > drive and use that. That's 2 more wrong ways. A: Fails if the fdisk used to create the msdos partition does things a little differently. Deletion of foreign partitions may cause trouble later. It may be necessary to delete certain metadata within the partitions, and fdisk (on any system) has no way of knowing where the metadata is. The problems occur if stale metadata is reactivated (and used). For DOS, stale parameter blocks may be used by `format' to format areas outside the (new) slice. For FreeBSD, stale disklabels may be used by `newfs' to newfs the wrong areas. The damage is now limited by disklabels being restricted to the slice that they are in. B: Usually fails if a disk manager is normally installed but isn't installed when you boot with -v. Right ways: A1: If a disk manager isn't normally installed, use method B. B1: If a disk manager is normally installed: Install disk manager. Install DOS (on the same disk). Boot DOS (on the same disk). Run pfdisk or some other DOS utility that reports the geometry. Use DOS fdisk to remove DOS. Use the geometry reported by pfdisk. Simpler methods might work: C: If a disk manager is normally installed: Install disk manager. Boot DOS from a floppy. Run utility to load disk manager for hard disk. Run pfdisk or some other DOS utility that reports the geometry. Use the geometry reported by pfdisk. D: If a disk manager is normally installed: Install disk manager. Use method B. This requires booting FreeBSD with -v from ANOTHER disk with BOTH the disk manager and FreeBSD already installed. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 22:26:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA25563 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:26:53 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA25555 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:26:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA04240; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:25:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: listproc@mixit.ansp.br cc: hackers@freebsd.org, gomide@fapq.fapesp.br Subject: Re: SIGNOF REDES-L In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:12:50 -0300." <9506160212.AA20636@mixit.ansp.br> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:25:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4238.803280357@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > You have been removed from list redes-l@mixit.ansp.br. > Thanks for being with us. Thank you! However, in order to prevent such a thing from happening again I believe it will be best if we simply block all incoming email from mixit.ansp.br in the future. Jonathan, if you'll do the honors? Thanks.. Regards, Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 15 23:59:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA27194 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:59:58 -0700 Received: from magic.winnet.net (magic.winnet.net [204.215.2.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27188 ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:59:57 -0700 Received: (from piero@localhost) by magic.winnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA01367; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 03:02:07 -0400 From: Piero Serini Message-Id: <199506160702.DAA01367@magic.winnet.net> Subject: Re: SIGNOF REDES-L To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 03:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: listproc@mixit.ansp.br, hackers@freebsd.org, gomide@fapq.fapesp.br In-Reply-To: <4238.803280357@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 16, 95 06:25:57 am Reply-To: Piero@WinNet.NET Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0-SNAP X-Phone-Number: +1 (305) 535 3090 X-Faqs-Maintained: Elm (comp.mail.elm), Mail Archive Servers (comp.mail.misc) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 728 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi. Quoting from Jordan K. Hubbard: > > You have been removed from list redes-l@mixit.ansp.br. > > Thanks for being with us. > > Thank you! > > However, in order to prevent such a thing from happening again I > believe it will be best if we simply block all incoming email from > mixit.ansp.br in the future. Jonathan, if you'll do the honors? I think it's not fair. Some ass@#$@$ subscribed a list to another one, and in 36 hours the problem was fixed. Now, I think you should wait at least another incident before deciding to block all the e-mail from that site. Bye, -- # $Id: .signature,v 1.0 1995/02/05 17:34:46 piero Exp $ Piero Serini From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 00:26:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA27813 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:26:05 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA27807 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:25:50 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00346; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:24:50 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:24:50 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199506160449.VAA00299@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Does the HP Laser 4MP qualified as a printer having a fast processor and > does any one know how much more is the ethernet interface? THe 4MP comes with the JetDirect interface built-in and has a zillion different serial, parallel and network connectors. You should be able to get it for less than US$2000 (with 6 megs RAM). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 00:44:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA28142 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:44:40 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA28136 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:44:37 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00378; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:42:45 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:42:45 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Rashid Karimov." cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5R - misterious lockups (--MARK--?) In-Reply-To: <199506160312.XAA12350@haven.ios.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Rashid Karimov. wrote: > > Hi there folx, > - I have a root logged in on the console (just in case), > and when the system locks up , root can type commands on > the prompt ( w/o them being executed though) , switch the consoles, > and when you press Enter - the screen actually goes up. But > that's the only response you can get from the system > > - telnet/ftp from remote hosts reply "connected" and just > sit there forever > > - ping from remote hosts work just fine > > - and ( The Mistery ) - there is strange message -- MARK -- > in the /var/log/messages a few times before the system actually > stops accepting the connections .... I get the same behaviour you mention in your first three points, but not the "-- MARK --" syslog message. This behaviour is reproducible when using NCSA httpd 1.4 with 50+ simultaneous connections and 15+ requests per second. I'm not running quotas on my system, although NFS filesystems are heavily used. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 00:48:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA28315 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:48:11 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA28090 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:40:25 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA00367; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:38:44 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:38:43 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Hmmmm... another hardware disk error? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You may recall that I posted about a "deferred hardware error" from a Quantum 1080S disk during the 2.0.5 alpha cycle. Also, I have had problems with the machine becoming unresponsive after several minutes of heavy Web serving (which included CGI processing). Today over lunch, I decided to use the Apache server instead of NCSA. It was able to handle the load far better than NCSA (with a load average of 5.0 vs. 30+) and it ran quite happily for a couple of hours. I had stepped away from the console to start a tape backup and when I returned, the machine was sitting at the xdm login. Checking syslog messages: Jun 16 13:07:49 aries /kernel: vnode_pager_input: I/O read error Jun 16 13:07:57 aries /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 17221 failure Fortunately, nothing was lost on disk (just warnings about dirty superblocks) and FreeBSD was able to complete the boot cycle and bring up all network services. Should I get the dealer to replace this drive before it completely fails? This is the second time I've seen a disk-related hardware error logged. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 00:51:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA28466 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:51:23 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA28460 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:51:16 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id PAA09831; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:51:05 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:51:04 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: penalty of using off_t for arithmatic with gcc's long longs? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was working on my backlog of patches for NN and I just came to ache's set that he mailed me (via nn-bugs) Quite Some Time Ago(TM). (I'm currently merging in the Tk X11 code) One of the things that he did was to substitute many off_t's to longs. Now that I think about it, I presume there's a performance penalty for using off_t in general arithmatic.. Is this enough to worry about? For example, the code that I inherited in nn uses off_t's quite extensively for all sorts of things, including (for example) offsets of article body text relative to the beginning of headers, and it's scattered throughout other data structures. I guess it's not too important to be able to read > 2GB news articles, but is it worth trading this for speed? How much is there to gain? What about the implicit casts with passing a smaller type to lseek()? Basically, I'm trying to decide is it worth parameterising an "offset" type? Machines like alpha's etc are not going to be too fussed, because off_t == long == 64 bits. BTW: is this appropriate for hackers? I dont know that it's appropriate to "ports" because what I'm asking about is not specifically about software in some /usr/ports area - it's a generic problem that happqens to appear on freebsd and other 32bit 4.4Lite + gcc2 systems (including netbsd). Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 01:14:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA28978 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:14:55 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@slip.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA28962 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:14:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:11:26 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lites H/W support In-Reply-To: <9506160020.AA22068@ phx.sectel.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Ron Feigen wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:20:18 MST > From: Ron Feigen > To: lites@cs.hut.fi > Subject: lites H/W support > > Hi, > > I am trying to install desperately to get MACH running on > an Intel platform. > > Will lites support my IDE controller? Somebody thought > it was SCSI only? > > Is there any good info on building lites on Linux? I can > try to install NetBSD or FreeBSD but I would rather not > have to. Actually I tried FreeBSD last night and it when fine > until I needed to reboot (after building my disk). The reboot > hung my system (wierd)! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hmm, I'm experiencing the same thing in 2.0.5-ALPHA I thought it is a feature triggered by a bit weird ASUS SP3G motherboard I'm runnin 2.0.5 on but looks like it's introduced in 2.0.5: well 950412 was ok if my memory serves me... AGL > > Any help will be greatly appreciated, > > Thanks, > > Ron > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 01:25:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA29219 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:25:08 -0700 Received: from mg1.cdsnet.net (root@mg1.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA29213 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:25:05 -0700 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by mg1.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA16603; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:20:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Brian Tao cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The 4MP? The 4MP is the 600DPI 4ppm jobbie, withe the PS and PCL5? I don't think it has a jet direct, it's got parallel, serial, and appletalk. maybe you're thing 4m+, or the 4+, or the 4v, or maybe the new 5 series. On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > Does the HP Laser 4MP qualified as a printer having a fast processor and > > does any one know how much more is the ethernet interface? > > THe 4MP comes with the JetDirect interface built-in and has a > zillion different serial, parallel and network connectors. You should > be able to get it for less than US$2000 (with 6 megs RAM). > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 01:29:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA29413 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:29:55 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA29407 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:29:54 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA02872; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:16:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199506160816.BAA02872@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Anthony Graphics cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lites H/W support In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:11:26 +0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:16:37 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Anthony Graphics said: > On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Ron Feigen wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:20:18 MST > > From: Ron Feigen > > To: lites@cs.hut.fi > > Subject: lites H/W support > > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to install desperately to get MACH running on > > an Intel platform. > > > > Will lites support my IDE controller? Somebody thought > > it was SCSI only? > > I was able to boot off an IDE controller and my scsi controller. I just got two boxes here one of them has a scsi and the other and IDE controller. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 01:34:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA29586 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:34:13 -0700 Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.7.230]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA29580 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:34:08 -0700 Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes D-66041 Saarbruecken, Germany Received: from macrosun.ee.uni-sb.de with SMTP by uni-sb.de (5.65++/UniSB-2.2/9502015) id AA05582; Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:33:53 +0200 Received: by ee.uni-sb.de; Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:37:50 +0200 From: "Joachim Koenig" Message-Id: <9506160837.AA23198@microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de> Received: by microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de; Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:37:26 +0200 Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:37:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 16, 95 03:24:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1681 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > THe 4MP comes with the JetDirect interface built-in and has a >zillion different serial, parallel and network connectors. You should >be able to get it for less than US$2000 (with 6 megs RAM). It's the 4Mplus, not the 4MP that comes with the jetdirect card. The 4MP is not available any more and replaced by the newer 5MP model. The 5MP is also a bit cheaper (~1000$) as it only comes with 3MB RAM instead of 6. If one needs the speed of the printing engine, than Amancio should go for the 4Mplus which gives about 12 pages per minute. For about 500$ the printer can be made duplex. If the price plays a role, than the 5MP is the way to go, giving 6 ppm, but the memory seems to be a bit to small especially if halftone-printing is important. I have the 4P (without postscript) and for normal TeX-output (via dvips-> ghostscript->PCL), the processor speed is fast enough to get the 4 ppm the engine supports. But for pictures, I do not get more than 100 kB/sec, although the data path is faster (I've written a parallel port IEEE1284 driver which uses the parallel port FIFO of SMCs Superio chips, but was disappointed that tiger.ps [as PCL, 600KB] did not print faster than without the FIFO. The driver is not yet clean enough for publication 8-(, but for your information: it supports nibble/byte mode reverse data transfer over the standard parallel port to read printer status and configuration data). Joachim -- email: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de University of Saarland, Germany, Europe phone: +49 681 3023043 suffering should be creative, fax: 2678 should give birth to something good and lovely From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 02:29:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA01074 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 02:29:05 -0700 Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA01041 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 02:28:32 -0700 Received: (sakr@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id NAA05065; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:28:08 +0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:28:08 +0400 From: "Serge A. Krashakov" Message-Id: <199506160928.NAA05065@itp.ac.ru> To: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de Subject: Compaq Prosignia 300 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear Stefan! Thank you for the help again. I could install FreeBSD-2.0.5 on Compaq, but it took much more time as I expected. The main problem was to create "true" installation boot diskette with new kernel and subsitute installed (other!) kernel to new (with patches). Could you advise me how installation diskettes to be created. But now I have another problem with this Compaq: It doesn't want to recognize built-in on-board Ethernet controller (unfortunately I doesn't know its type). Could anibody help me? The following is a boot message: Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #0: Fri Jun 16 11:52:30 1995 Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: root@test.itp.ac.ru:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMPAQ Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\90 (Pentium-class CPU) Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: Features=0x1bf Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: avail memory = 14954496 (3651 pages) Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: ed0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 5 on isa Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: ed0: address 00:80:48:89:f1:3d, type NE2000 (16 bit) Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: mse0: wrong signature ff Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: mse0 not found at 0x23c Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: psm0 at 0x60-0x63 irq 12 on motherboard Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: sio0: type 16550A Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: fdc0: NEC 72065B Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0xe11, device=0x1000, class=old [not supported] Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(10): mem32(3b370) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(14): mem32(175260) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(18): mem32(3b370) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(1c): mem32(1f470) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(20): io(10000e10) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: pci0:11: vendor=0x1022, device=0x2000, class=network [not supported] Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(10): io(7000) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:12 Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: pci_map_mem failed: device's memrange 0x2000000-0x20000ff is incompatible with its bridge's memrange 0x4000000-0xffffffff Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: reg20: virtual=0xf2d5a000 physical=0x2000000 size=0x100 Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: ncr0: restart (scsi reset). Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl21 95/03/21) Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ ST12550N 3223" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: 2006MB (4110000 512 byte sectors) Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: (ncr0:5:0): "COMPAQ CD-ROM CR-503BCQ 1.1i" type 5 removable SCSI 2 Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: cd0(ncr0:5:0): CD-ROM Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: cd0(ncr0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: can't get the size Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: pci0:15: vendor=0xe11, device=0x1, class=bridge [not supported] Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: pci0: uses 256 bytes of memory from 2000000 upto 20000ff. Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from 7100 upto 71ff. Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0: start 63, end 1028159, size 1028097 Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0d: start 0, end 4109999, size 4110000 Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice Jun 16 12:04:22 test /kernel: sd0f: start 3084480, end 4080509, size 996030 Jun 16 12:04:25 test login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Thank you in advance, Serge Krashakov From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 03:00:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA03044 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 03:00:26 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA03018 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 03:00:21 -0700 Received: from gena@NetVision.net.il (gena@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.6.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20588; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:56:48 +0300 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:56:48 +0300 In-Reply-To: <199506160928.NAA05065@itp.ac.ru> Message-ID: X-Face: #v>4HN>#D_"[olq9y`HqTYkLVB89Xy|3')Vs9v58JQ*u-xEJVKY`xa.}E?z0RkLI/P&;BJmi0#u=W0).-Y'J4(dw{"54NhSG|YYZG@[)(`e! >jN#L!~qI5fE-JHS+< Organization: NetVision ltd. X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: "Serge A. Krashakov" Subject: RE: Compaq Prosignia 300 Cc: , , Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hmm...according to vendor info you have AMD PCI on-board ethernet controller. I have one too. Seems like all Compaq Prosignia is equipped with this card. Unfortunately FreeBSD don't have dirver for it and i don't know where to find technical info about this card so i can write one ( or at least try to do that) Best regards. In message <199506160928.NAA05065@itp.ac.ru> Serge A. Krashakov writes: >Dear Stefan! > >Thank you for the help again. >I could install FreeBSD-2.0.5 on Compaq, but it took much more time >as I expected. The main problem was to create "true" installation >boot diskette with new kernel and subsitute installed (other!) kernel >to new (with patches). > >Could you advise me how installation diskettes to be created. > >But now I have another problem with this Compaq: >It doesn't want to recognize built-in on-board Ethernet controller >(unfortunately I doesn't know its type). > >Could anibody help me? > >The following is a boot message: > >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #0: Fri Jun 16 11:52:30 1995 >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: root@test.itp.ac.ru:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMPAQ >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\90 (Pentium-class CPU) >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: Features=0x1bf >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: avail memory = 14954496 (3651 pages) >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: ed0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 5 on isa >Jun 16 12:04:18 test /kernel: ed0: address 00:80:48:89:f1:3d, type NE2000 (16 bit) >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: mse0: wrong signature ff >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: mse0 not found at 0x23c >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: psm0 at 0x60-0x63 irq 12 on motherboard >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: sio0: type 16550A >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: fdc0: NEC 72065B >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: npx0 on motherboard >Jun 16 12:04:19 test /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0xe11, device=0x1000, class=old [not supported] >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(10): mem32(3b370) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(14): mem32(175260) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(18): mem32(3b370) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(1c): mem32(1f470) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(20): io(10000e10) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: pci0:11: vendor=0x1022, device=0x2000, class=network [not supported] >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: map(10): io(7000) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:12 >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: pci_map_mem failed: device's memrange 0x2000000-0x20000ff is incompatible with its bridge's memrange 0x4000000-0xffffffff >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: reg20: virtual=0xf2d5a000 physical=0x2000000 size=0x100 >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: ncr0: restart (scsi reset). >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl21 95/03/21) >Jun 16 12:04:20 test /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ ST12550N 3223" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: 2006MB (4110000 512 byte sectors) >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: (ncr0:5:0): "COMPAQ CD-ROM CR-503BCQ 1.1i" type 5 removable SCSI 2 >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: cd0(ncr0:5:0): CD-ROM >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: cd0(ncr0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: can't get the size >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: pci0:15: vendor=0xe11, device=0x1, class=bridge [not supported] >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: pci0: uses 256 bytes of memory from 2000000 upto 20000ff. >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from 7100 upto 71ff. >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0: start 63, end 1028159, size 1028097 >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0d: start 0, end 4109999, size 4110000 >Jun 16 12:04:21 test /kernel: sd0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice >Jun 16 12:04:22 test /kernel: sd0f: start 3084480, end 4080509, size 996030 >Jun 16 12:04:25 test login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 > >Thank you in advance, >Serge Krashakov -------- Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: gena@NetVision.net.il Homepage: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena This message was sent at 06/16/95 13:06:27 by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 04:28:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA07978 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 04:28:04 -0700 Received: from mail.id.net (kilroy.id.net [152.160.9.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA07972 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 04:28:01 -0700 Received: from hades.id.net (hades.id.net [152.160.9.12]) by mail.id.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA09308; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:28:04 -0400 From: Robert Shady Received: (rls@localhost) by hades.id.net (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA00565; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:28:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199506161128.HAA00565@hades.id.net> Subject: Problems with 2.0.5-RELEASE To: hackers@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:28:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5753 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We have a network of 7 FreeBSD machines here. KILROY is currently our main file server. All of the machines, except for one (Hades), are running FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 w/patches. We would like to upgrade all of our machines to FreeBSD 2.0.5, but we have to make sure it's stable first, and it doesn't seem to be quite there yet. Not quite sure how to track this one down, but I've got three major problems with the 2.0.5-RELEASE so far. 1) I keep getting "nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home" errors. At first this doesn't seem to be a problem, but after a few of these errors the entire FreeBSD box "locks up". I'm not sure if these two are related, but thought I would mention it. By "lock up", I mean the console & telnet ports lock, but it looks as though the system is still running (Ie: screen saver is still going). 2) I have a MUD (LP-Mud Game Driver) that is ran on the 2.0.5 machine. It dies rather often under 2.0.5-RELEASE with SIGFAULT or IOT Trap errors. This same game, on the same machine, running 1.1.5.1 w/patches would run for 15-20 days before upgrading to 2.0.5, now it runs anywhere from a couple minutes to 4 hours. 3) The 2.0.5 machine keeps rebooting about once every 24 hours or so. I haven't checked the logs before to find out why, but this time I did and found: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x2a fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0108c8d code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 599 (ndriver2.0) interrupt mask = net tty bio panic: page fault syncing disks... 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 giving up Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Rebooting... Machine configuration is: ========================= Pentium 100Mhz PCI Motherboard Onboard NCR SCSI Controller 32MB of RAM IDE Controller Card 540MB IDE Hard Drive SMC Elite Ultra Ethernet Card Plain-Jane VGA Card (Yes, I am not currently using ANY PCI ports ;) Here is my DMESG, followed by my CONFIG file ============================================ FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #0: Wed Jun 14 15:30:41 EDT 1995 root@hades.id.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/HADES CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33161216 (8096 pages) avail memory = 30875648 (7538 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <4 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 5 maddr 0xd0000 msize 8192 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:a3:6a:b0, type SMC8416C/SMC8416BT (16 bit) pca0 on motherboard pca0: PC speaker audio driver fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 765 fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 514MB (1054368 sectors), 1046 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. pci0:0: vendor=0x1039, device=0x406, class=bridge [not supported] pci0:1: vendor=0x1039, device=0x8, class=bridge [not supported] WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home nfs send error 65 for server kilroy:/home Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x2a fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0108c8d code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 599 (ndriver2.0) interrupt mask = net tty bio panic: page fault syncing disks... 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 giving up Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Rebooting... Here is the configuration file ============================== # # HADES -- # Presently the second dialup machine at Innovative Data Services (id.net) # machine "i386" cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" ident HADES maxusers 256 options "COMPAT_43" # Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "OPEN_MAX=256" # Maximum # of open files per process options "MAXCONS=4" # Maximum Virtual Consoles options "CHILD_MAX=256" options "NMBCLUSTERS=1024" options "MAXDSIZ=256UL*1024*1024" options INET # Internet communications protocols options FFS # Berkeley Fast File System options NFS # Network File System options PROCFS # Process File System options MSDOSFS # MSDOS File System options MROUTING # Multicast Routing options BOUNCE_BUFFERS # Bounce Buffer Support options DUMMY_NOPS # Remove extra delays options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options COMPAT_LINUX config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 device pca0 at isa? port IO_TIMER1 tty device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 vector edintr pseudo-device vn pseudo-device log pseudo-device pty 64 pseudo-device snp 4 pseudo-device gzip pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device speaker From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 05:00:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA09112 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 05:00:14 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA08995 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 04:58:43 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA01660 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:57:32 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:57:32 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA00897; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:47:42 +0400 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, Peter Wemm References: In-Reply-To: ; from Peter Wemm at Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:51:04 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:47:42 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: penalty of using off_t for arithmatic with gcc's long longs? Lines: 49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2037 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message Peter Wemm writes: >I was working on my backlog of patches for NN and I just came to ache's >set that he mailed me (via nn-bugs) Quite Some Time Ago(TM). (I'm >currently merging in the Tk X11 code) >One of the things that he did was to substitute many off_t's to longs. >Now that I think about it, I presume there's a performance penalty for using >off_t in general arithmatic.. Is this enough to worry about? >For example, the code that I inherited in nn uses off_t's quite >extensively for all sorts of things, including (for example) offsets of >article body text relative to the beginning of headers, and it's >scattered throughout other data structures. >I guess it's not too important to be able to read > 2GB news articles, >but is it worth trading this for speed? How much is there to gain? What Basic problem isn't performance but several others affected NN: 1) fseek argument: it is "long" per POSIX standard. You can't read > 2GB in POSIX enviroment in any case with 4bytes longs using fseek. NN use fseek(..., (off_t)x, ...), which obviously miss with "long long", really it becomes fseek(..., 0, garbadge) when fseek used without prototype. Really it not hits when prototype exists, but many of my NN off_t->long casts caused by gcc warning about mixing types. 2) printf %ld or %d format can't handle off_t correctly (%qd is correct). NN hits some times with it printing 0 here and breaks followed argumens. It cause converting some structure members from off_t to long in my patch. >about the implicit casts with passing a smaller type to lseek()? If you include , you don't need to cast lseek() argument to off_t. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:15:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12117 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:15:07 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12098 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:14:49 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA04800; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:14:03 +0800 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:14:02 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Jaye Mathisen cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > The 4MP? The 4MP is the 600DPI 4ppm jobbie, withe the PS and PCL5? > > I don't think it has a jet direct, it's got parallel, serial, and appletalk. > > maybe you're thing 4m+, or the 4+, or the 4v, or maybe the new 5 series. Eep! My mistake! I meant the 4M Plus, not the 4MP (why did Hewlett-Packard name their printers like that? *sigh*)... I was referring to the 4M+ in my previous messages. 12 ppm, built-in JetDirect, on-the-fly language and interface switching, 600 dpi output, 35 Adobe Type 1's and 6 megs standard. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:17:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12254 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:17:04 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12241 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:17:02 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA08612; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:20:26 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506161320.JAA08612@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R - misterious lockups (--MARK--?) To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506160357.AA10805@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 15, 95 09:57:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 698 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, > > > After the joy of working QUOTAs in 205R came first > > problem: > > system periodically locks up under 25-30 users load > > in very weird way: > > Are you using quotas on more than one mounted FS? I heard there were > problems with doing that. Yep ! I have 'em on 5 FS'es - /var and 4 user partitions Any known cure ? Or at least the explanations where is the problem ( well, if there were one , it would have been fixed IMHO :( I absolutely need QUOTAs - that's the user server :(( ~2.500 accounts > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:19:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12542 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:19:31 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12534 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:19:29 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA29379 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:26:07 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id HAA02057 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:19:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199506161319.HAA02057@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:19:25 -0600 In-Reply-To: Bruce Evans "Re: HD Geometry dirty trick" (Jun 16, 1:38pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 16, 1:38pm, Bruce Evans wrote: > Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick > > >> I've found that using "basic" geometry of 1023/64/32 > >> for SCSI HD with 1Gb capacity and just adjusting the first > >> value for other capacities , one can get painless install . > >> Foe example , if you install 4Gb HDD - we multiply 1023 by 4 > >> and use 4092/64/32 Geometry. > >> For 300Mb SCSI disk we use (Int(1023/3.3))/64/32 and so on. > > >Fine for Adaptec controllers, not so fine for NCR controllers that > >like to tranlate >1G drives to xxxx/62/34, yes that is right 62/34! > > I.e., 64/32 geometry works if it was the correct (BIOS) geometry all > along. Otherwise, it is unlikely to work. What do you mean by "correct"? I have a Fujitsu M2624 with an Adaptec 1542B in my home machine and a Micropolis 2217 with a Buslogic Bt445S in my machine at work, and neither have real geometries even in the ball park of xxxx/64/32, yet xxxx/64/32 is what DOS fdisk gave and is the only geometry of the several "reality based geometries" I tried that "worked" with 2.0.5R. I also have a Maxtor 7120a IDE drive that did not suffer from the need for this trick. I presume this is because the CMOS contains the IDE geometry, but not the SCSI geometries. --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12927 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:22:26 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@slip.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA12854 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:21:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:17:38 +0400 (GMT+0400) From: Anthony Graphics X-Sender: agl@mail.redline.ru To: Tom Samplonius cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: right gateway: wrong interface (FreeBSD 950412) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > Not so much a bug as "thats the way it always worked". Some kernel > changes were made to help gated users, but these are not part of > GENERIC. You must compile a new kernel with this option enabled. > Whether this option requires the same IP address to be used for the PPP peer and ethernet interface? I'm moving PPP/SLIP connection between different machines, so I want to use different address, is it possible? (We'll eventually install router with this address when it'd fit the budget). Thanx! AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:29:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA13503 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:29:55 -0700 Received: from lambda.demon.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA13482 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:29:50 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA03310; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:27:55 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506161327.OAA03310@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 To: gena@netvision.net.il (Gennady Sorokopud) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:27:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: sakr@itp.ac.ru, esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Gennady Sorokopud" at Jun 16, 95 12:56:48 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 789 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Gennady Sorokopud who said > > Hmm...according to vendor info you have AMD PCI on-board > ethernet controller. I have one too. Seems like all Compaq Prosignia > is equipped with this card. Unfortunately FreeBSD don't have > dirver for it and i don't know where to find technical info > about this card so i can write one ( or at least try to do that) > Unless AMD do two PCI ethernet controllers then this is a PCnet chip and the lnc0 driver should work. If any changes are needed they should be pretty minimal. If someone wants to buy me a Compaq I'll gladly work on the problem :-) -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:30:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA13622 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:30:31 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA13612 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:30:29 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA09572; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:33:59 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199506161333.JAA09572@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R - misterious lockups (--MARK--?) To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506160312.XAA12350@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Jun 15, 95 11:12:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 862 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, Just little addition - to keep the thread rolling. > > After the joy of working QUOTAs in 205R came first > problem: I was actually told that the QUOTAS switched on on more than 1 mounted FS could cause that. Any expirirence ? So it means that QUOTAs are broken again ? :(( > - and ( The Mistery ) - there is strange message -- MARK -- > in the /var/log/messages a few times before the system actually > stops accepting the connections .... My mistake - syslog was setup to put the time marks into the messages file every 20 minutes Other point is that the same computer was happily running latest SNAP, except that QUOTAS were not working at all. They do work perfectly in 2.0.5R , except that now they probably cause this lockups ... Is anybody working on this , BTW ? ;)) Rashid Exhausted and frustrated From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 06:46:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA14485 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:46:38 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA14461 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:46:33 -0700 Received: from gena (gena@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.6.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02669; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:47:01 +0300 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:47:01 +0300 In-Reply-To: <199506161327.OAA03310@lambda.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: X-Face: #v>4HN>#D_"[olq9y`HqTYkLVB89Xy|3')Vs9v58JQ*u-xEJVKY`xa.}E?z0RkLI/P&;BJmi0#u=W0).-Y'J4(dw{"54NhSG|YYZG@[)(`e! >jN#L!~qI5fE-JHS+< Organization: NetVision ltd. X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: , Paul Richards Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 Cc: Gennady Sorokopud , , , , Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, that what i was able to read on the chip (the place was dark and i'm not sure i got it 100% right :-) PCnet tm-SCSI AM79C974KC 420DR7C (C) 1993 AMD Best regards. In message <199506161327.OAA03310@lambda.demon.co.uk> Paul Richards writes: >In reply to Gennady Sorokopud who said >> >> Hmm...according to vendor info you have AMD PCI on-board >> ethernet controller. I have one too. Seems like all Compaq Prosignia >> is equipped with this card. Unfortunately FreeBSD don't have >> dirver for it and i don't know where to find technical info >> about this card so i can write one ( or at least try to do that) >> > >Unless AMD do two PCI ethernet controllers then this is a PCnet >chip and the lnc0 driver should work. If any changes are needed >they should be pretty minimal. > >If someone wants to buy me a Compaq I'll gladly work on the problem :-) > >-- > Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. > Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul > Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) -------- Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: gena@NetVision.net.il Homepage: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena This message was sent at 06/16/95 16:57:02 by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 07:09:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA15930 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:09:44 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA15924 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:09:42 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14540(4)>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:09:00 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24982; Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:08:50 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14921; Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:12:28 EDT Message-Id: <9506161412.AA14921@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: Brian Tao Cc: Jaye Mathisen , Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:14:02 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:12:26 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You don't need anything faster than a parallel port. The biggest bottleneck is normally the PS decomposer, not the network interface (you can also probably keep a printer busy with a 19.2kbaud serial line). But the problem is bidirectionality, if you want it...PS is inherently a bidrectional medium, and dropping the return data on the floor is a waste... (Does Freebsd support a bidirectional parallel port?) marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 07:22:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA17014 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:22:28 -0700 Received: from lambda.demon.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA16982 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:22:21 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA03507; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:22:14 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506161422.PAA03507@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 To: gena@dns.netvision.net.il (Gennady Sorokopud) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:21:39 +0100 (BST) Cc: paul@freebsd.org, gena@netvision.net.il, sakr@itp.ac.ru, esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Gennady Sorokopud" at Jun 16, 95 04:47:01 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 837 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Gennady Sorokopud who said > > Ok, that what i was able to read on the chip > (the place was dark and i'm not sure i got it 100% right :-) > > PCnet tm-SCSI > AM79C974KC This is a dual ethernet/scsi chip (don't have my docs with me at work but I think that's the one). The two are completely separate i.e. you can treat it as though it's just a PCnet ethernet chip. The lnc0 driver should work fine if you can point it at the right locations i.e. int no and i/o address. If it doesn't work then let me know but I can't do much except make suggestions at this point since I don't have a machine to work on the driver at the moment. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 08:07:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19608 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:07:15 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA19602 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:07:13 -0700 Received: from bagend.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.14) via UUCP id AA25081 ; Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:07:11 -0400 Received: by bagend.atl.ga.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sMcOt-0006QUC; Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:29 EDT Message-Id: From: jan@bagend.atl.ga.us (Jan Isley) Subject: Re: LIST PING To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su (Serge A. Babkin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199506150637.LAA19195@hq.icb.chel.su> from "Serge A. Babkin" at Jun 15, 95 11:37:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 625 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Serge A. Babkin wrote: > > I often get a response to something I posted a *day* before I get > > *my original* post back. Ditto other people... I may see a response > > 24-36 hours before the post it is a reply to. > Wasn't it slowed down at your own system ? I have noticed that > several time on my mail machine. No, that is not a problem here. All mail (well almost all) comes from my MX holder that I poll at least hourly. I check often and there are no mail bottlenecks on my side. -- Jan Isley | If you couldn't find any weirdness, jan@bagend.atl.ga.us | maybe we'll just have to make some! - Hobbes From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 08:09:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19796 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:09:20 -0700 Received: from squid.umd.edu (squid.umd.edu [129.2.40.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA19790 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:09:14 -0700 Received: by squid.umd.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21228; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:18:14 -0400 From: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Message-Id: <9506161518.AA21228@squid.umd.edu> Subject: netatalk support anyone??? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:18:14 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This would be a good thing to have working. It appears that support from the netatalk people has been in the works for some time now. I don't know exactly how much progress has been done on their end. Has anybody played with this thing at all??? It is certainly a much more elegant solution for appletalk support than cap. I don't really know my way around the networking code enough to do a good job at integrating this into the kernel, but I guess I could learn. Is anybody else interested in getting this going? Fred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 08:57:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22532 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:57:55 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22522 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:57:52 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30746>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:58:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Robert Shady cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199506161128.HAA00565@hades.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Robert Shady wrote: > 2) I have a MUD (LP-Mud Game Driver) that is ran on the 2.0.5 machine. It > dies rather often under 2.0.5-RELEASE with SIGFAULT or IOT Trap errors. > This same game, on the same machine, running 1.1.5.1 w/patches would > run for 15-20 days before upgrading to 2.0.5, now it runs anywhere from > a couple minutes to 4 hours. This could be a porting problem. FreeBSD 2.x uses long 64 bit file offsets now. I remember that wu-ftpd used to crash all the time on 2.0 until a sprintf() call that assumed a 32bit value was fixed. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:13:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23464 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:13:15 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA23447 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:13:01 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43185>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:11:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA05835; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:03:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199506152003.WAA05835@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Too many open files in system In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:12:12 +0200." Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:03:25 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Re. an httpd problem you posted ... > In all cases, the common problem is "too many open files in > system". The httpd error log shows CGI scripts failing for the same > reason. Also, I see this in the error log: I got that too again while I was asleep, on my host it's usually as an overnight make of ports has gone recursive on ncftp failing & my abort not letting it realise, ( I use env. var. NCFTP=abort & abort binary is from main() { abort() ; } Maybe something other than httpd is consuming your file descriptor table ? Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:20:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23885 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:20:15 -0700 Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23847 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:20:00 -0700 Received: (sakr@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id UAA07559; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:10:21 +0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:10:21 +0400 From: "Serge A. Krashakov" Message-Id: <199506161610.UAA07559@itp.ac.ru> To: gena@dns.netvision.net.il, paul@freebsd.org, paul@lambda.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 Cc: esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, gena@netvision.net.il, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From gena@dns.netvision.net.il Fri Jun 16 17:48:23 1995 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06989 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:48:07 +0400 Received: from gena (gena@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.6.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02669; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:47:01 +0300 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:47:01 +0300 In-Reply-To: <199506161327.OAA03310@lambda.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: X-Face: #v>4HN>#D_"[olq9y`HqTYkLVB89Xy|3')Vs9v58JQ*u-xEJVKY`xa.}E?z0RkLI/P&;BJmi0#u=W0).-Y'J4(dw{"54NhSG|YYZG@[)(`e! >jN#L!~qI5fE-JHS+< Organization: NetVision ltd. X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: , Paul Richards Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 Cc: Gennady Sorokopud , , , , Status: RO In message Gennady Sorokopud writes > Ok, that what i was able to read on the chip > (the place was dark and i'm not sure i got it 100% right :-) > > PCnet tm-SCSI > AM79C974KC > 420DR7C > (C) 1993 AMD > > Best regards. > In reply to Paul Richards who said >> >> Unless AMD do two PCI ethernet controllers then this is a PCnet >> chip and the lnc0 driver should work. If any changes are needed >> they should be pretty minimal. >> >> If someone wants to buy me a Compaq I'll gladly work on the problem :-) >> I have the same chip on my Compaq Prosignia. Just now I have recompiled kernel including device lnc0 with port 7000 irq 3 and it works !!! Thank you very much. Yours, sincerely, Serge Krashakov From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:25:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24244 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:25:38 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24236 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:25:35 -0700 Received: from linda.teleport.com (mrl@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15621 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:25:26 -0700 From: Mostyn/Annabella Message-Id: <199506161625.JAA15621@desiree.teleport.com> Subject: 2.0.5 and PCMCIA ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mrl@teleport.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 343 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anybody out there using PCMCIA cards on a notebook with 2.0.5? I believe a z* driver exists for the 3com Etherlink III 3C589 PCMCIA card? However, is there a modem that works with sio (sio MODS?). I'd like a Megahertz Model XJ2144 14.4K PCMCIA card to work? Any patches, advice, comments, experiences or whatever, welcome. Regards, Mostyn From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:30:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24477 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:30:31 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24469 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:30:24 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00331; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:27:51 +0800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:27:50 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Julian Stacey " cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Too many open files in system In-Reply-To: <199506152003.WAA05835@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Julian Stacey wrote: > > Maybe something other than httpd is consuming your file descriptor table ? But what? This can happen on a freshly-rebooted machine and practically nothing else running except the http server. The process table looks something like this: PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 0 ?? DLs 0:00.00 (swapper) 1 ?? Is 0:00.07 /sbin/init -- 2 ?? DL 0:02.29 (pagedaemon) 3 ?? DL 0:00.92 (vmdaemon) 4 ?? DL 0:00.78 (update) 61 ?? Ss 0:00.23 syslogd 71 ?? IWs 0:00.02 portmap 81 ?? IWs 0:00.29 inetd 164 ?? Is 0:00.05 httpd-root (apache) 165 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-0- (apache) 166 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-1- (apache) 167 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-2- (apache) 168 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-3- (apache) 169 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-4- (apache) 170 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-5- (apache) 171 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-6- (apache) 172 ?? I 0:00.02 apache-7- (apache) 173 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-8- (apache) 174 ?? I 0:00.01 apache-9- (apache) 322 v1 R+ 0:00.01 ps ax 213 v1 IWs+ 0:00.47 -csh (tcsh) 146 v2 IWs+ 0:00.04 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2 147 v3 IWs+ 0:00.04 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3 148 v4 IWs+ 0:00.04 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4 149 v5 IWs+ 0:00.04 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5 150 v6 IWs+ 0:00.04 /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6 That's a pretty bare system. Yes, I did try it with latest Apache server that supports the pre-fork model (with 50 children, not just the ten shown here). It died about 20 minutes into the test. Same symptoms as before: all swapping suddenly ceases and the machine "sort of" locks up. It's hard to describe. Telnets to other machines still work just fine, and I can hit Enter on a local shell and get the shell prompt back, or I can continue to read mail in Pine. But I cannot start a new process. Typing in a command in the shell just hangs there (as if my NFS disks disappeared, but they didn't, since I don't see any syslog messages about that). Running a shell command from vi also hangs. Trying to login on another virtual console hangs after I enter the username (no Password prompt). Very strange. I'm running it now with just 10 servers (and clients) to see if it can make it through the night this way. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:33:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24680 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:33:58 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24665 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:33:51 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00359; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:33:45 +0800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:33:45 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Truncated hostname in lookups? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="AAA00333.803320231/aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw" Content-ID: Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --AAA00333.803320231/aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Strange... I received this bounce when I tried replying to Julian's message. Doing an nslookup on his hostname works, but it seems sendmail is barfing on the long address (it is cutting off the "de" country code). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:30:31 +0800 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: taob@aries Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.: host not found) The original message was received at Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:27:51 +0800 from taob@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "Julian Stacey " (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "Julian Stacey " ... Host unknown (Name server: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.: host not found) --AAA00333.803320231/aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:38:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA24904 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:38:27 -0700 Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24898 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:38:24 -0700 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id BAA01306; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:38:13 +0900 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:38:13 +0900 Message-Id: <199506161638.BAA01306@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: mrl@teleport.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: 2.0.5 and PCMCIA ? In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT). <199506161625.JAA15621@desiree.teleport.com> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! In article <199506161625.JAA15621@desiree.teleport.com> mrl@teleport.com writes: >> Anybody out there using PCMCIA cards on a notebook with 2.0.5? >> I believe a z* driver exists for the 3com Etherlink III 3C589 PCMCIA >> card? >> >> However, is there a modem that works with sio (sio MODS?). >> I'd like a Megahertz Model XJ2144 14.4K PCMCIA card to work? >> >> Any patches, advice, comments, experiences or whatever, welcome. I'm using XJ2144 with 2.0.5-ALPHA. Please try the following patch. I think this patch can be applied to 2.0.5R, but it's untested. Sorry. I also successed to use SunDisk PCMCIA ATA flash memory (and possibly ATA HDD card) but this driver is still so buggy. A member of our domestic mailing list successed to use RATOC SCSI PCMCIA card on FreeBSD 2.0. He has tested it with his SCSI HDD and CDROM. If you want to test these pre-alpha drivers, please e-mail me. I want to merge these efforts to the FreeBSD PCMCIA card services from Australia.... -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan begin 644 sys.patch.gz M'XL(",)LJB\``W-Y`>R+S239W*R.D-I8BRPI>F!,SOSWK>[6H_6P,>S<)!^N3P)6 MJ[JZ7EU5W56,:HDM]A5`+2[P,C0?3-` M2RN] MR]ZP"_#L"UT)45`>^]GUH/M9FXZT_N#LYN/'P;6PIR,ZB%P'Z<#0(F'RSL4! 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It would be nice if we could get some sort of "lsof" port or some system call to spew a list of open file descriptors out in a readable dump file. It also sounds like Brian has some sort of deadlock problem. Maybe NFS is creating some sort of lock problem which prevents new processes from being created. Some sort of unresolvable buffer/vm page deadlock condition? I wonder if his processes cannot exit and release their resources because of some condition like this. This would just gum things up as more processes got created. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 09:59:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26345 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:59:54 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26339 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:59:53 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA29916; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:59:27 -0700 From: "Steven G. Kargl" Message-Id: <199506161659.JAA29916@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: netatalk support anyone??? To: fcawth@squid.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506161518.AA21228@squid.umd.edu> from "Fred Cawthorne" at Jun 16, 95 11:18:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1138 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk According to Fred Cawthorne: > > This would be a good thing to have working. It appears that support > from the netatalk people has been in the works for some time now. > I don't know exactly how much progress has been done on their end. > Has anybody played with this thing at all??? > It is certainly a much more elegant solution for appletalk support than > cap. I don't really know my way around the networking code enough to do > a good job at integrating this into the kernel, but I guess I could > learn. Is anybody else interested in getting this going? > I'm interested in anything that speaks appletalk. I work in a small group of devoted Mac users. I pulled netatalk down and started to play with the source, but I know very little about the kernel internals and networking. I recall that several files compiled without a hitch, but the OS specific files looked pretty complicated to me. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.x-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 10:24:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA27695 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:24:38 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA27689 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:24:36 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01785; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:09:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199506161709.KAA01785@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Marty Leisner" cc: Brian Tao , Jaye Mathisen , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:12:26 PDT." <9506161412.AA14921@gnu.mc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:09:57 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Marty Leisner" said: > > You don't need anything faster than a parallel port. > > The biggest bottleneck is normally the PS decomposer, not the > network interface (you can also probably keep a printer busy > with a 19.2kbaud serial line). Oh, what about bitmap graphics wouldnt a PS file with lots of bitmap graphics take a long time to download to the printer? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 10:38:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00107 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:38:46 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA29989 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:38:40 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA29552; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:34:17 +1000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:34:17 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506161734.DAA29552@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: aflundi@sandia.gov, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I.e., 64/32 geometry works if it was the correct (BIOS) geometry all >> along. Otherwise, it is unlikely to work. >What do you mean by "correct"? I have a Fujitsu M2624 with I mean that it is identical with the BIOS geometry. >an Adaptec 1542B in my home machine and a Micropolis 2217 >with a Buslogic Bt445S in my machine at work, and neither >have real geometries even in the ball park of xxxx/64/32, >yet xxxx/64/32 is what DOS fdisk gave and is the only geometry >of the several "reality based geometries" I tried that "worked" >with 2.0.5R. The BIOS can invent any geometry that it wants (subject to the constraints 1 <= nsectors <= 63, 1 <= nheads <= 256, 1 <= ncyls <= 1024). >I also have a Maxtor 7120a IDE drive that did not suffer >from the need for this trick. I presume this is because >the CMOS contains the IDE geometry, but not the SCSI geometries. No, FreeBSD doesn't look in the CMOS for disk geometries. It asks the drive. Small IDE drives report the same geometry as the BIOS (unless the BIOS has been configured weirdly). FreeBSD should have no problems in this case. "Small" means that a suitable geometry can be invented subject to the above constraints and also subject to the "physical" constraint nheads <= 16, i.e., <= 504MB. Above that various extensions are used and various things break. E.g., for more than 16 heads, old drivers (such as FreeBSD's) break. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 10:39:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00262 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:39:39 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA00253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:39:37 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12315; Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:32:23 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506161732.AA12315@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: penalty of using off_t for arithmatic with gcc's long To: ache@astral.msk.su (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:32:22 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka" at Jun 16, 95 03:47:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1) fseek argument: it is "long" per POSIX standard. You can't > read > 2GB in POSIX enviroment in any case with 4bytes longs > using fseek. This is not true. The off_t typedef "must be an atomic type" per POSIX. Now because of calling convention, on a machine with 32 bit ints and 64 bit longs (instead of "long long", which is not an atomic type), you will continue to have stack passing problems because of the calling conventions when using an unprototyped lseek/fseek. The only real soloution is the preamble the calling conventions (like VMS or OSF/1 does). This is a terifically *ugly* fix, and must be done in the compiler. > If you include , you don't need to cast lseek() argument to off_t. Because the prototype hides the bogosity from you ...a bad thing if you move the code between non-POSIX/non-ANSI 100% compliant systems -- like BSD. BSD just doesn't have this particular non-compliance bogosity, which doesn't guarantee that it doesn't have others. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 10:43:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00932 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:43:37 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA00922 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:43:36 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14749(6)>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:42:20 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26926; Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:42:10 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15744; Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:45:43 EDT Message-Id: <9506161745.AA15744@gnu.mc.xerox.com> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Brian Tao , Jaye Mathisen , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:09:57 PDT." <199506161709.KAA01785@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:45:34 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506161709.KAA01785@rah.star-gate.com>, you write: >>>> "Marty Leisner" said: > > > > You don't need anything faster than a parallel port. > > > > The biggest bottleneck is normally the PS decomposer, not the > > network interface (you can also probably keep a printer busy > > with a 19.2kbaud serial line). > >Oh, what about bitmap graphics wouldnt a PS file with lots of bitmap >graphics take a long time to download to the printer? > > Tnks, > Amancio > > Only if the bitmaps are the same resolution as the printer. If you start having to do resolution conversion, processing time probably exceeds transfer time (but it "depends"). But ethernet isn't necessary, a parallel port can do fine... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 10:47:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01811 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:47:05 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01803 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:47:03 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12354; Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:39:49 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506161739.AA12354@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 2.0.5R - misterious lockups (--MARK--?) To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:39:48 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506161320.JAA08612@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Jun 16, 95 09:20:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > After the joy of working QUOTAs in 205R came first > > > problem: > > > system periodically locks up under 25-30 users load > > > in very weird way: > > > > Are you using quotas on more than one mounted FS? I heard there were > > problems with doing that. > > Yep ! > I have 'em on 5 FS'es - /var and 4 user partitions > > Any known cure ? Or at least the explanations where is > the problem ( well, if there were one , it would have been > fixed IMHO :( > > I absolutely need QUOTAs - that's the user server :(( > ~2.500 accounts You need to find out if that is indeed the problem by setting up a test case of only one mounted file system with quotas on. >From looking at the quota code, it looks like it may not take the dev_t field into accoun when computing quotas, which means that it doesn't use the right mount record to locate the quota file. So it locks entrancy across file systems, but doesn't compute transitive closure over the directed graph which is the set of locks held in all file systems. Really, it should per-fs lock to guarantee reentrancy. Probably this is a 10-15 line fix in the quota code alone, if someone spends the time working it out (I've just taken a quick pass through the code that does vonde-based I/O that the quota stuff uses, and I didn't see any obvious bugs). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 10:58:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA04745 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:58:32 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA04717 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:58:26 -0700 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA15555 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:58:22 -0700 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA02012; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:04:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:04:20 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: dlopen and friends Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have been mucking about with the latest snapshot of Fresco and have come up against a few problems with dlopen: 1. Only one layer of dependant libraries is loaded. There is code which would recursively load sub-dependants but it is broken and hence is commented out. 2. The manpage for dlopen specifies that _init will be called for newly loaded libraries but dlopen actually looks up "_init" which will end up calling the user function init(). Is this correct? I compiled a test library on SunOS containing init(), _init() and asm(".init")() and SunOS 4.1.3 doesn't call any of them. I think dlopen should be using the string "__init" to search for _init() in the loaded object. Similar comments apply to dlclose. 3. There is code in /usr/lib/c++rt0.o which calls constructors and destructors for shared libraries. This is not used by libg++ which is the only c++ library in the core. It also doesn't appear to be documented anywhere. In addition, c++rt0.o uses atexit to register a function to call the destructors, however if dlclose is later used to remove the library, this will ensure a segfault on exit since exit() will still attempt to call the function. 4. dlclose does not unload dependant libraries or call destructors for the unloaded object. I want to make some changes to ld.so to fix these problems, along these lines: 1. Fix ld.so to load all the dependant libraries for dlopen recursively. Ensure that initialisation of newly loaded libraries is deferred until all the dependants are loaded and relocated to allow sub-dependants to use symbols from their parent during initialisation. 2. Call ".init" to handle constructors and "__init" for user-supplied initialisation as per manpage. 3. Stop c++rt0.o from using atexit to call the destructors and added a ".fini" function to call them instead. 4. Change dlclose to unload dependant libraries and call ".fini" to handle destructors. For user-supplied closedown code, use "__fini" instead of "_fini". 5. Add a dlexit function to the ld_entry function vector returned to crt0.o by ld.so. This function is registered with atexit by crt0.o and calls all the ".fini" entry points of any shared libraries which are still loaded when the application exits. -- Doug Rabson, Microsoft RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 11:00:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA05293 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:00:59 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA05287 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:00:58 -0700 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA15595 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:00:21 -0700 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01652; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:08:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:08:50 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5R commerce Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone got VXB from the commerce directory to work? The dynamic version is linked with Motif-1.2.x (the README talks about Motif 2.0 which is what I have) so that doesn't work. The static version just cores after it puts up a window. -- Doug Rabson, Microsoft RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 11:06:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06451 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:06:12 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA06398 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:06:05 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id CAA05775; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:05:59 +0800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:05:58 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: GPL code in freebsd? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just saw that Alan Cox fired a salvo at FreeBSD in gnu.misc.discuss, under the subject: "Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD?" I don't think he was aware of the default "i386/i386/math_emulate.c" file which has no such restrictions. (Hell.. It has no darn copyright at the top either! - the only mention of copyright is Linus Torvald's one in the middle). Does he have a point with the ISDN stuff? I just read the GPL and got a headache. :-( -Peter ----------------------- > Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss > Path: haywire.DIALix.COM!DIALix!news.uwa.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!info!iialan > From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) > Subject: Re: Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD? > X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iifeak.swan.ac.uk > Message-ID: > Sender: news@info.swan.ac.uk > Organization: Institute For Industrial Information Technology > References: <3qlves$3vm@news3.digex.net> > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:11:22 GMT > Lines: 42 > > In article <3qlves$3vm@news3.digex.net> "Frederick (Rick) A Niles" writes: > >I've heard that R. Stallman has said that the Linux/GNU system > >is the offical FSF GNU system until the HURD is ready, however, > >one (currently) needs FreeBSD to install the HURD. Does this > >not introduce a conflict? Perhaps the HURD and even Mach > > FreeBSD is already internally in violation of its own licenses. > > The FreeBSD-Current release at the moment contains what looks very much like > GPL code and as such is subject to the GNU public license. > > viz: FreeBSD-Current/src/sys/gnu/isdn.c > > * Copyright (c) 1994 Dietmar Friede (dietmar@friede.de) All rights > reserved. > * FSF/FSAG GNU Copyright applies > * > * An intermediate level for ISDN Drivers. > > Since this contradicts other licenses in the BSD code (of which there are > many) the FreeBSD-Current system is not a legally distributable product. It > seems the FSF may need to take action. > > The people selling it are also persistantly violating other copyrights on > the FreeBSD code (eg from the FPU emulator that requires: > > * 4. The name of W. Metzenthen may not be used to endorse or promote > * products derived from this software without specific prior written > * permission. > > Conspicuously absent from all CD ROM distributors material. > > A considerable number of Linux CD-ROM vendors also need a reminder that they > should be crediting UCB for many applications. > > > Alan > -- > ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, > // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // > ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' > Redistribution of this message via the Microsoft Network is prohibited ----------------------- > Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss > Path: haywire.DIALix.COM!DIALix!news.uwa.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!info!iialan > From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) > Subject: Re: Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD? > X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iifeak.swan.ac.uk > Message-ID: > Sender: news@info.swan.ac.uk > Organization: Institute For Industrial Information Technology > References: <3qlves$3vm@news3.digex.net> > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:23:27 GMT > Lines: 17 > > In article iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) writes: > > * 4. The name of W. Metzenthen may not be used to endorse or promote > > * products derived from this software without specific prior written > > * permission. > > > >Conspicuously absent from all CD ROM distributors material. > > Before I confuse everyone I pasted the wrong paragraph. The paragraph I > meant to paste is #3 which requires people mentioning this facility (many > FreeBSD CD's say 'floating point emulator' in their feature list) to credit > the Author in such advertising/info. > > -- > ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,, > // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU // > ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------'' > Redistribution of this message via the Microsoft Network is prohibited ----------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 11:24:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA10188 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:24:24 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10162 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:24:20 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA05336; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:23:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506161823.LAA05336@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Jun 17, 95 02:05:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3650 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I just saw that Alan Cox fired a salvo at FreeBSD in gnu.misc.discuss, > under the subject: "Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD?" > > I don't think he was aware of the default "i386/i386/math_emulate.c" file > which has no such restrictions. (Hell.. It has no darn copyright at the > top either! - the only mention of copyright is Linus Torvald's one in the > middle). > > Does he have a point with the ISDN stuff? I just read the GPL and got a > headache. :-( And now you understand why *BSD hates the bloody GPL so much!!! > -Peter > > ----------------------- > > Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss > > Path: haywire.DIALix.COM!DIALix!news.uwa.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!info!iialan > > From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) > > Subject: Re: Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD? ... > > In article <3qlves$3vm@news3.digex.net> "Frederick (Rick) A Niles" writes: > > >I've heard that R. Stallman has said that the Linux/GNU system > > >is the offical FSF GNU system until the HURD is ready, however, > > >one (currently) needs FreeBSD to install the HURD. Does this > > >not introduce a conflict? Perhaps the HURD and even Mach > > > > FreeBSD is already internally in violation of its own licenses. I find that hard to belief, given the fact there is no ``FreeBSD'' license!!! > > The FreeBSD-Current release at the moment contains what looks very much like > > GPL code and as such is subject to the GNU public license. And we don't distribute that in binary form so we are not in violation of the GPL for that piece of code! > > viz: FreeBSD-Current/src/sys/gnu/isdn.c > > > > * Copyright (c) 1994 Dietmar Friede (dietmar@friede.de) All rights > > reserved. > > * FSF/FSAG GNU Copyright applies > > * > > * An intermediate level for ISDN Drivers. > > > > Since this contradicts other licenses in the BSD code (of which there are > > many) the FreeBSD-Current system is not a legally distributable product. It > > seems the FSF may need to take action. Try as they might, they don't have a leg to stand on. > > The people selling it are also persistantly violating other copyrights on > > the FreeBSD code (eg from the FPU emulator that requires: > > > > * 4. The name of W. Metzenthen may not be used to endorse or promote > > * products derived from this software without specific prior written > > * permission. > > > > Conspicuously absent from all CD ROM distributors material. Self conflicing licenses are very hard to uphold in court. The copyright on this file is in conflict with it self! > > A considerable number of Linux CD-ROM vendors also need a reminder that they > > should be crediting UCB for many applications. And the GNU folks as well... ... > > > * 4. The name of W. Metzenthen may not be used to endorse or promote > > > * products derived from this software without specific prior written > > > * permission. > > > > > >Conspicuously absent from all CD ROM distributors material. > > > > Before I confuse everyone I pasted the wrong paragraph. The paragraph I > > meant to paste is #3 which requires people mentioning this facility (many > > FreeBSD CD's say 'floating point emulator' in their feature list) to credit > > the Author in such advertising/info. And we have 2 floating point emulators, one of which is NOT under a GPL, so we are fine mentioning it without any mention of ``W. Metzenthen''. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 11:37:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11122 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:37:19 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA11114 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:37:18 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14749(4)>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:36:34 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27571; Fri, 16 Jun 95 14:36:24 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15927; Fri, 16 Jun 95 14:39:59 EDT Message-Id: <9506161839.AA15927@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: bringing up freebsd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:39:58 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I finally got freebsd 2.0 booting off a hard disk (I had to arrange it on the first disk, instead of the second disk). On the freebsd machine, I have a Sony CD-ROM drive and an NE-2000 board... Another machine is running Linux and is nfs'd. A few questions: 1) should I start off with the 2.05 kernel? Can I run the 2.0 release binaries with the 2.05 kernel (I have the November infomagic cd-rom). Sun needs swap space >= physical ram. Does free bsd also have this problem? (Linux uses swap space just as incremental over ram). When I tried to network, it wanted th NE2000 at 0x280. I have it mapped elsewhere...how do I get past the defaults? Is there any documentation for the boot program? The basic bindist says it needs 40 mbytes. Isn't it possible to run a minimal system for starters (with about 20 mbytes?) I have a freebsd partition of about 80 Mbyte -- how should I arrange it (I have 16 Mbyte of ram, do I need any swap?) Also, what's involved to cross-compile on linux for freebsd? marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom (http://www.lpf.org) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Arthur C. Clarke, The Lost Worlds of 2001 marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 11:50:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA11838 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:50:14 -0700 Received: from lambda (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA11810 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:50:08 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by lambda.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA14737; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:35:12 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199506161735.SAA14737@lambda.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 To: sakr@itp.ac.ru (Serge A. Krashakov) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:35:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: gena@dns.netvision.net.il, paul@freebsd.org, esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, gena@netvision.net.il, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru In-Reply-To: <199506161610.UAA07559@itp.ac.ru> from "Serge A. Krashakov" at Jun 16, 95 08:10:21 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UK-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 481 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Serge A. Krashakov who said > > I have the same chip on my Compaq Prosignia. > > Just now I have recompiled kernel including device lnc0 with port 7000 irq 3 > and it works !!! > Just for info, what does the chip identify itself as? Send me the boot output for the lnc0 line. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 12:08:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12834 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:08:19 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA12825 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:08:13 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA31772; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:04:31 +1000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:04:31 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506161904.FAA31772@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [isdn] >> > The FreeBSD-Current release at the moment contains what looks very much like >> > GPL code and as such is subject to the GNU public license. >And we don't distribute that in binary form so we are not in violation >of the GPL for that piece of code! We do distribute gcc in binary form and there is apparently no problem with that. >> > * 4. The name of W. Metzenthen may not be used to endorse or promote >> > * products derived from this software without specific prior written >> > * permission. >> > >> > Conspicuously absent from all CD ROM distributors material. >Self conflicing licenses are very hard to uphold in court. The copyright >on this file is in conflict with it self! It doesn't conflict. Point 3. only requires acknowledging W.M. if the advertising specifically mentions features or use of his emulator. Point 4. says that we can't advertise it (specifically :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 12:21:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA13397 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:21:20 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA13391 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:21:16 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA22556 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:03:31 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA15278; 16 Jun 95 13:17:34 CDT (Fri) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA15275; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:17:34 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506161817.NAA15275@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:17:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506161412.AA14921@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 16, 95 07:12:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 123 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > You don't need anything faster than a parallel port. Unless you're printing big bitmapped images, in which case you do. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 12:27:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA13832 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:27:14 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA13824 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:27:13 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14808(1)>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:26:25 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28210; Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:26:16 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16085; Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:29:54 EDT Message-Id: <9506161929.AA16085@gnu.mc.xerox.com> To: Peter da Silva Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:17:33 PDT." <199506161817.NAA15275@bonkers.taronga.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:29:52 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506161817.NAA15275@bonkers.taronga.com>, you write: >> You don't need anything faster than a parallel port. > >Unless you're printing big bitmapped images, in which case you do. Like I said, only if the resolution of the image is the same as the resolution of the printer... If not, you'll spend more time in the decomposer then transfering bits... And parallel ports can go at about 100Kbytes/second...which is about the speed on an ethernet that's doing anything things... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:02:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15443 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:02:57 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15437 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:02:54 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA23580 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:09:32 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id OAA14999 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:02:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199506162002.OAA14999@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:02:50 -0600 In-Reply-To: Bruce Evans "Re: HD Geometry dirty trick" (Jun 17, 3:34am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 17, 3:34am, Bruce Evans wrote: > Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick > > [ ... ] > The BIOS can invent any geometry that it wants (subject to the > constraints 1 <= nsectors <= 63, 1 <= nheads <= 256, 1 <= ncyls <= 1024). Does this mean that it's possible that every distinct BIOS could produce a different geometry for a given disk drive, so that there is no way to predict via an algorithm for all machines what the BIOS geometry should be? Bummer! --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:11:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15847 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:11:03 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15841 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:10:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199506162010.NAA15841@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA131723545; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:12:25 -0400 Subject: motif libraries -- price and availability? To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 373 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know which Motif vendors are selling it for FreeBSD1.x and FreeBSD2.x and how much? Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:20:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA16281 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:20:41 -0700 Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16261 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:20:14 -0700 Received: (sakr@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id AAA08268; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:18:28 +0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:18:28 +0400 From: "Serge A. Krashakov" Message-Id: <199506162018.AAA08268@itp.ac.ru> To: paul@freebsd.org Cc: gena@netvision.net.il, paul@freebsd.org, esser@zpr.uni-koeln.de, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, sakr@itp.ac.ru Subject: Re: Compaq Prosignia 300 Status: R Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Paul Richards who said > > Just for info, what does the chip identify itself as? Send me the > boot output for the lnc0 line. > The following is a boot message: Jun 16 19:53:30 test /kernel: FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE #0: Fri Jun 16 19:47:24 1995 Jun 16 19:53:30 test /kernel: root@test.itp.ac.ru:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMPAQ Jun 16 19:53:30 test /kernel: CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\90 (Pentium-class CPU) Jun 16 19:53:30 test /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: Features=0x1bf Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: avail memory = 14934016 (3646 pages) Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: psm0 at 0x60-0x63 irq 12 on motherboard Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: sio0: type 16550A Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Jun 16 19:53:31 test /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: fdc0: NEC 72065B Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: lnc0 at 0x7000-0x7017 irq 3 drq 0 on eisa slot 7 Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: lnc0: PCnet-32 VL-Bus Ethernet controller, address 00:80:5f:b4:8c:7b Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0xe11, device=0x1000, class=old [not supported] Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: map(10): mem32(3b0b0) Jun 16 19:53:32 test /kernel: map(14): mem32(175260) Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: map(18): mem32(3be70) Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: map(1c): mem32(fff4a0) Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: map(20): io(10000e10) Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: pci0:11: vendor=0x1022, device=0x2000, class=network [not supported] Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: map(10): io(7000) Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:12 Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: pci_map_mem failed: device's memrange 0x2000000-0x20000ff is incompatible with its bridge's memrange 0x4000000-0xffffffff Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: reg20: virtual=0xf2d5a000 physical=0x2000000 size=0x100 Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: ncr0: restart (scsi reset). Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl21 95/03/21) Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ ST12550N 3223" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jun 16 19:53:33 test /kernel: 2006MB (4110000 512 byte sectors) Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: (ncr0:5:0): "COMPAQ CD-ROM CR-503BCQ 1.1i" type 5 removable SCSI 2 Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: cd0(ncr0:5:0): CD-ROM Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: cd0(ncr0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: can't get the size Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: pci0:15: vendor=0xe11, device=0x1, class=bridge [not supported] Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: pci0: uses 256 bytes of memory from 2000000 upto 20000ff. Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from 7100 upto 71ff. Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: sd0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: sd0: start 63, end 1028159, size 1028097 Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: sd0d: start 0, end 4109999, size 4110000 Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: sd0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice Jun 16 19:53:34 test /kernel: sd0f: start 3084480, end 4080509, size 996030 Sincerely yours, Serge Krashakov From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:23:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA16481 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:23:06 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16473 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:23:01 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA00687; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 06:20:49 +1000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 06:20:49 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506162020.GAA00687@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: aflundi@sandia.gov, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> The BIOS can invent any geometry that it wants (subject to the >> constraints 1 <= nsectors <= 63, 1 <= nheads <= 256, 1 <= ncyls <= 1024). >Does this mean that it's possible that every distinct >BIOS could produce a different geometry for a given disk >drive, so that there is no way to predict via an algorithm >for all machines what the BIOS geometry should be? Bummer! Yes. It makes /etc/disktab unusable. However, it's much easier to find out the drive at runtime than to keep a huge table of disk drives. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:30:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17156 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:30:43 -0700 Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA17141 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:30:40 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA20787 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:30:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:30:39 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506162030.PAA20787@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: mrouted code in 2.0.5 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Could someone tell me what the status of the mrouted code is in 2.0.5. Is it version 3.5 with prunning? Or do I need -current to get that? -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:34:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17471 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:34:38 -0700 Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA17465 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:34:34 -0700 Received: from [192.245.33.12] by gateway.cybernet.com (8.6.8/1.0A) id RAA26600; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:09:17 -0400 X-Sender: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:35:27 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) Subject: ed0 probe causes page fault in 2.0.5R Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install 2.0.5R onto a Gateway 2000 machine. It has a Micronics motherboard, and is a 486DX2/66 with 32 Mb of RAM. It ran 1.1.5.1 just fine. I've installed 2.0.5R once already from the same disks w/o any problem. The only hardware in the system is the SMC Ethernet device and a Mach32 (VLB) graphics adapter. When booting from the updated boot floppy (the one with the 4MB RAM fix), I tell the kernel to boot with the '-c' option. I then set the port, irq, and iomem of ed0 to 0x300, 10, and 0xcc000, which is the same as my jumpers are configured for. When I initiate a 'probe ed0', I always get: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mod fault virtual address = 0xefc00330 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf019d467 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 0 () interrupt mask = net tty bio It will get as far as the installation menus when I disable all the non-relevant devices (I always disable the devices that I don't have installed). I've read the FAQ, and I've been installing FreeBSD since the 1.0 days. I can't figure this one out. Help? What is the deal here? -Mark Taylor mtaylor@cybernet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 13:41:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17924 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:41:26 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA17916 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:41:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199506162041.NAA17916@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA132725354; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:42:34 -0400 Subject: Re: ed0 probe causes page fault in 2.0.5R To: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Pechter ILEX Systems" Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Mark J. Taylor" at Jun 16, 95 04:35:27 pm Reply-To: pechter@sesd.ilex.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1898 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to install 2.0.5R onto a Gateway 2000 machine. It has a > Micronics motherboard, and is a 486DX2/66 with 32 Mb of RAM. It ran > 1.1.5.1 just fine. I've installed 2.0.5R once already from the same disks > w/o any problem. The only hardware in the system is the SMC Ethernet > device and a Mach32 (VLB) graphics adapter. > > When booting from the updated boot floppy (the one with the 4MB RAM fix), I > tell the kernel to boot with the '-c' option. I then set the port, irq, > and iomem of ed0 to 0x300, 10, and 0xcc000, which is the same as my jumpers > are configured for. When I initiate a 'probe ed0', I always get: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mod > fault virtual address = 0xefc00330 > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf019d467 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32, gran 1 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 0 () > interrupt mask = net tty bio > I saw the same thing on my Micronics 486DX33. I actually got it to install once by disabling the rest of the probes beyond the disk controller. I had a lot of junk (io cards like an eprom burner) so I assumed it was me. I was running an 8003 with irq9 and 0xd0000 memory. My disk controller was an Adaptec 1542B and a 1542CF (tried both). I can't repeat it because my wife blew her motherboard and she's running the Adaptec while I'm running 1.1.5.1-patch22. I should have 2.0.5 up as soon as I get the CD. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 14:08:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19384 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:08:23 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA19365 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:08:20 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12949; Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:01:28 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506162101.AA12949@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick To: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:01:27 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506162002.OAA14999@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> from "Alan F Lundin" at Jun 16, 95 02:02:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Does this mean that it's possible that every distinct > BIOS could produce a different geometry for a given disk > drive, so that there is no way to predict via an algorithm > for all machines what the BIOS geometry should be? Bummer! Yes. Generally, it's on a per controller ROM revision basis, and is not specific to internal machine BIOS. It gets the general name of "BIOS" because the POST routines on the card point the INT 13 interface to their own ROMs, replacing/chaining the default BIOS. And there's no way to ask... there's a way to figure it out that mostly works, but which can run into LCF problems. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 14:15:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19818 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:15:42 -0700 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA19812 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:15:40 -0700 Received: from sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (sargon.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.128]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA26999 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:22:18 -0600 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by sargon.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id PAA17715 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:15:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199506162115.PAA17715@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:15:34 -0600 In-Reply-To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) "Re: HD Geometry dirty trick" (Jun 16, 3:01pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 16, 3:01pm, Terry Lambert wrote: > Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick > > > Does this mean that it's possible that every distinct > > BIOS could produce a different geometry for a given disk > > drive, so that there is no way to predict via an algorithm > > for all machines what the BIOS geometry should be? Bummer! > > Yes. Generally, it's on a per controller ROM revision basis, and > is not specific to internal machine BIOS. It gets the general name > of "BIOS" because the POST routines on the card point the INT 13 > interface to their own ROMs, replacing/chaining the default BIOS. > > And there's no way to ask... there's a way to figure it out that mostly > works, but which can run into LCF problems. If there's no way to ask, how does DOS do it? Or does DOS just ask the BIOS to do it? --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 14:16:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19913 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:16:20 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA19906 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:16:16 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA13009; Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:08:06 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506162108.AA13009@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:08:05 MDT Cc: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506161823.LAA05336@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 16, 95 11:23:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I just saw that Alan Cox fired a salvo at FreeBSD in gnu.misc.discuss, > > under the subject: "Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD?" I've hit the ball back to him (using 'rn' as a racquet). You might want to read over the article and flame me to get your flames in before the general Linux public. I think I was reasonable, but anything you say can be twisted in meaning if you go into the reading with an existing bias. The group is basically an advocacy group anyway. > And now you understand why *BSD hates the bloody GPL so much!!! We don't hate it; we simply approve of it less than a UCB-Style license but more than an Adaptec/Diamond style license (ie: none at all). > Self conflicing licenses are very hard to uphold in court. The copyright > on this file is in conflict with it self! I don't think the licensing is self-conflicting. I also don't think there is a GPL/UCB issue to resolve in the first place. Read the Book. (A comment on my average post size. 8-)). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 14:20:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA20085 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:20:07 -0700 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA20078 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:20:05 -0700 Received: from calvary.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP Received: by calvary.tfs.com (5.0/client-1.5) id AA15782; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:20:03 +0800 From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" Message-Id: <9506161420.ZM15780@calvary> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:20:00 -0700 Reply-To: pascal@TFS.COM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 16aug94) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii content-length: 1364 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've installed 2.0.5-RELEASE on my 485/50 at work. The install went fine. But after configuring to use NIS I'm running into several binaries that report: yp_order: clnt_call: RPC: Procedure unavailable I've confirmed that I can see my NIS server and I can dump various maps using ypcat. I have tracked down this error message to /usr/src/lib/libc/yp/yplib.c (line #687). Everything worked under 2.0-RELEASE and I setup the same on the new release. Would anyone have any insite into this? -Freeman -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that | | whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting | | life. | | - John 3:16 (KJV) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Freeman P. Pascal IV | | | Senior System Administrator | Phone: (510) 645-3454 | | TRW Financial Systems, Inc. | Fax: (510) 645-3069 | | 300 Lakeside Drive | Email: pascal@tfs.com | | Oakland, CA 94612-3540 | | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 14:46:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA21025 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:46:44 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA21019 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:46:43 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05813; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:45:22 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506162145.OAA05813@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... To: pascal@TFS.COM Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506161420.ZM15780@calvary> from "Freeman P. Pascal IV" at Jun 16, 95 02:20:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 752 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I've installed 2.0.5-RELEASE on my 485/50 at work. The install went > fine. But after configuring to use NIS I'm running into several > binaries that report: > > yp_order: clnt_call: RPC: Procedure unavailable > > I've confirmed that I can see my NIS server and I can dump various > maps using ypcat. I have tracked down this error message to > /usr/src/lib/libc/yp/yplib.c (line #687). > Uhm, Freeman Do you actually >HAVE< a NIS server ? I thought you only ran NIS+ ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 14:53:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA21261 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:53:47 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA21254 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:53:44 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10360; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:53:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA28982; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:53:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA05538; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:52:07 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506162152.XAA05538@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:52:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506161904.FAA31772@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 17, 95 05:04:31 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1176 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [Note: I'm Cc'ing the offender, too.] As Bruce Evans wrote: > > [isdn] > >> > The FreeBSD-Current release at the moment contains what looks very much like > >> > GPL code and as such is subject to the GNU public license. > > >And we don't distribute that in binary form so we are not in violation > >of the GPL for that piece of code! > > We do distribute gcc in binary form and there is apparently no problem with > that. It wouldn't even a problem if we shipped a binary kernel version with the isdn driver, since we do also provide the source code. Problems will only arise for those who intend to distribute modified binaries without making the modified source available. Due to the currently very limited scope of the isdn driver (only german switch protocols, only a very limited range of hardware supported), this is unlikely to happen. (And then: it's the problem of those who're going to distribute those binary versions.) It's not our problem if the defenders of the GPL are unable to read their own license. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 15:21:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21826 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:21:26 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA21820 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:21:24 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10825; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:21:21 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA29052 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:21:20 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA05927 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:19:23 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506162219.AAA05927@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Truncated hostname in lookups? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:19:22 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 17, 95 00:33:45 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1536 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > Strange... I received this bounce when I tried replying to > Julian's message. Doing an nslookup on his hostname works, but it > seems sendmail is barfing on the long address (it is cutting off the > "de" country code). ... > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > "Julian Stacey " (unrecoverable error) I don't have a problem. I've just used another sendmail config in order to bypass my normal UUCP delivery: uriah # sendmail -C /etc/sendmail.cf.generic -v jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Subject: test please ignore trying to track Brian Tao's sendmail report Jörg jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de... Connecting to eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de. (smtp)... 220 eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Server SMTP ready at Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:18:14 +0200 >>> HELO uriah.heep.sax.de 250 eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Hello uriah.heep.sax.de >>> MAIL From: 250 Ok >>> RCPT To: 250 Ok >>> DATA 354 Start mail input; end with . >>> . 250 Roger jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de... Sent (Roger) Closing connection to eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de. >>> QUIT 221 eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Out Don't see any problem. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 15:42:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA22678 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:42:51 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA22669 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:42:37 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30741>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:43:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Marty Leisner cc: hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd In-Reply-To: <9506161839.AA15927@gnu.mc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Marty Leisner wrote: > I finally got freebsd 2.0 booting off a hard disk (I had > to arrange it on the first disk, instead of the second disk). Shouldn't this be in "freebsd-questions"? > On the freebsd machine, I have a Sony CD-ROM drive and an NE-2000 > board... > > Another machine is running Linux and is nfs'd. > > A few questions: > 1) should I start off with the 2.05 kernel? > Can I run the 2.0 release binaries with the 2.05 kernel > (I have the November infomagic cd-rom). 2.0R binaries will not work with 2.0.5R kernel. > Sun needs swap space >= physical ram. Does free bsd also have > this problem? (Linux uses swap space just as incremental over ram). No > When I tried to network, it wanted th NE2000 at 0x280. > I have it mapped elsewhere...how do I get past the defaults? 2.0R -> Recompile kernel 2.0.5R -> boot with -c and change it > Is there any documentation for the boot program? > > The basic bindist says it needs 40 mbytes. Isn't it possible > to run a minimal system for starters (with about 20 mbytes?) 2.0R needed space for extraction. > I have a freebsd partition of about 80 Mbyte -- how should I arrange > it (I have 16 Mbyte of ram, do I need any swap?) Are you going to run X or do software builds? If so, you will probably want swap. > Also, what's involved to cross-compile on linux for freebsd? Don't know. Read docs for gcc would be a start. Would probably have to re-build gcc on Linux from scratch, plus pull over all sorts of bits from FreeBSD. Probably be very difficult. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 15:55:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA23125 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:55:25 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA23119 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:55:22 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA06692; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:55:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:55:03 -0400 From: "House of Debuggin'" Message-Id: <199506162255.SAA06692@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, pascal@TFS.COM, phk@ref.tfs.com Subject: RE: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I've installed 2.0.5-RELEASE on my 485/50 at work. The install went >> fine. But after configuring to use NIS I'm running into several >> binaries that report: >> >> yp_order: clnt_call: RPC: Procedure unavailable >> >> I've confirmed that I can see my NIS server and I can dump various >> maps using ypcat. I have tracked down this error message to >> /usr/src/lib/libc/yp/yplib.c (line #687). >> >Uhm, Freeman >Do you actually >HAVE< a NIS server ? I thought you only ran NIS+ ? Oh blast... I swear, I hate Sun. I really do. The Solaris rpc.nisd is supposed to be able to work with NIS v2 clients in 'compatibility mode' but it would be just my luck that this 'compatibility' didn't include support for the YPPROC_ORDER call. That implies a great deal of stupidity on Sun's part, however. I wouldn't put it past them, but it's unlikely. It could be that the 'compatibility mode' isn't set up right, but since I don't run NIS+, I can't confirm this. If anybody out there has NIS+ running on their network and can check this for me, I'd love to hear from you. Unfortunately, the yp_order() call gets used during NIS password lookups: I needed a quick way to check for the presence of a 'master.passwd.byname' or 'master.passwd.byuid' map, and trying to do a yp_order() on it seemed like a good idea at the time. The fact that the yp_order() fails shouldn't hurt, except it looks like Theo DeRaadt set up the yp_order() function to loop forever until clnt_call() returns RPC_SUCCESS. This is exactly the sort of thing I was trying to avoid too. Bah. Sounds like something else that needs to be added to my to-do list. -Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Møøse Illuminati: ignore it and be confused, or join it and be confusing! ~~~~~ "Welcome to All Things BSDish! If it's not BSDish, it's crap!" ~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 16:03:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23344 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:03:02 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23338 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:02:59 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id SAA09121; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:59:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: SIGNOF REDES-L To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: listproc@mixit.ansp.br, hackers@freebsd.org, gomide@fapq.fapesp.br In-Reply-To: <4238.803280357@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > However, in order to prevent such a thing from happening again I > believe it will be best if we simply block all incoming email from > mixit.ansp.br in the future. Jonathan, if you'll do the honors? > Thanks.. i have rude code installed, commented out, ready to go. i want to improve this to return a message explaining why. it will be ready for the next incident. and with all the new lists and unexperienced people there will be another incident ;( Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 16:06:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23492 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:06:03 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23486 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:06:02 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA03965 for hackers@FreeBSD.Org; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:53:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:53:04 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506162253.PAA03965@rah.star-gate.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk Phew, the net is wondering when Amancio is finally going to get the printer and be done with :) Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 16:09:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23677 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:09:24 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23671 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:09:22 -0700 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA03984 for hackers@FreeBSD.Org; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:56:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:56:25 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199506162256.PAA03984@rah.star-gate.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: ISDN and VAT :) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk Well, this morning Jim and I had a friendly chat using vat, vmix over my ISDN line :) My ISP doesn't have an mbone feed but I expect to have one in less than a week. At any rate if any of you feel like checking your vat setup just drop me a note. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 16:16:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23880 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:16:32 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23874 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:16:31 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA06165; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:16:08 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506162316.QAA06165@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: SIGNOF REDES-L To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, listproc@mixit.ansp.br, hackers@freebsd.org, gomide@fapq.fapesp.br In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jun 16, 95 06:59:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 767 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > However, in order to prevent such a thing from happening again I > > believe it will be best if we simply block all incoming email from > > mixit.ansp.br in the future. Jonathan, if you'll do the honors? > > Thanks.. > > i have rude code installed, commented out, ready to go. i want > to improve this to return a message explaining why. it will be ready for Of course you will only send max one message per day or something similar right ? We're not aiming for a new loop here I hope ! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 17:21:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25398 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:21:35 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25390 ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:21:30 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA11043; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:17:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:17:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: SIGNOF REDES-L To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506162316.QAA06165@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > However, in order to prevent such a thing from happening again I > > > believe it will be best if we simply block all incoming email from > > > mixit.ansp.br in the future. Jonathan, if you'll do the honors? > > > Thanks.. > > > > i have rude code installed, commented out, ready to go. i want > > to improve this to return a message explaining why. it will be ready for > Of course you will only send max one message per day or something similar > right ? > > We're not aiming for a new loop here I hope ! no, no nes loops. or at least no loop that will reach us. when one of THEIRS arrives, an explaination returns to them as to why it wa rejected. majordomo checks messages that it forwards, preventing the creation of a majordomo loop. now a list proc -> majordomo (ours) -> explain -> list proc (theirs ) -> majordomo (ours) , drops the message. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 17:27:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25729 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:27:06 -0700 Received: from locust.cic.net (pauls@locust.cic.net [192.131.22.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25722 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:27:05 -0700 Received: (from pauls@localhost) by locust.cic.net (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id UAA15638; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:27:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Southworth To: "Steven G. Kargl" cc: Fred Cawthorne , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netatalk support anyone??? In-Reply-To: <199506161659.JAA29916@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Steven G. Kargl wrote: > According to Fred Cawthorne: > > > > This would be a good thing to have working. It appears that support > > from the netatalk people has been in the works for some time now. [...] > I pulled netatalk down and started to play with the source, but I know > very little about the kernel internals and networking. I recall that > several files compiled without a hitch, but the OS specific files looked > pretty complicated to me. Hey guys. Wes Craig just finished the Linux port for the last release, from code started by various Linux people. I know that he's interested in doing NetBSD/FreeBSD and I believe he's waiting to get a PC to do it on. One of the other UM/ITD Research Systems programmers, Gordon Good, had it working under NetBSD 0.9 I believe. I suspect that if given the opportunity, Wes could probably knock out the port in a week or two on FreeBSD. I'm not sure how busy he is right now. If you're really interested, you should send mail to netatalk@umich.edu and ask or offer assistance. -- Paul Southworth CICNet Systems Support pauls@cic.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 18:15:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA26852 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:15:12 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA26846 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:15:09 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA13813 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:14:06 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 17 Jun 95 05:14:05 +0400 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id FAA00173; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:11:48 +0400 To: Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM References: <9506161732.AA12315@cs.weber.edu> In-Reply-To: <9506161732.AA12315@cs.weber.edu>; from Terry Lambert at Fri, 16 Jun 95 11:32:22 MDT Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:11:47 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.38 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: penalty of using off_t for arithmatic with gcc's long Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1274 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <9506161732.AA12315@cs.weber.edu> Terry Lambert writes: >> 1) fseek argument: it is "long" per POSIX standard. You can't >> read > 2GB in POSIX enviroment in any case with 4bytes longs >> using fseek. >This is not true. The off_t typedef "must be an atomic type" per >POSIX. 1) I say nothing here about atomic off_t, I say about "long" type of fseek argument, you can see it in any POSIX docs copy. 2) In my POSIX specs (maybe I look at wrong place?) I don't read that off_t must be atomic, it says "integral". >> If you include , you don't need to cast lseek() argument to off_t. >Because the prototype hides the bogosity from you ...a bad thing if you >move the code between non-POSIX/non-ANSI 100% compliant systems -- like >BSD. BSD just doesn't have this particular non-compliance bogosity, >which doesn't guarantee that it doesn't have others. My NN patch make it works even without prototype hiding using correct variable/cast types directly. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 18:20:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA27004 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:20:35 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA26998 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:20:34 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA16072; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:20:17 -0700 From: "Steven G. Kargl" Message-Id: <199506170120.SAA16072@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: netatalk support anyone??? To: pauls@locust.cic.net (Paul Southworth) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: fcawth@squid.umd.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Paul Southworth" at Jun 16, 95 08:27:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1332 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk According to Paul Southworth: > > > I pulled netatalk down and started to play with the source, but I know > > very little about the kernel internals and networking. I recall that > > several files compiled without a hitch, but the OS specific files looked > > pretty complicated to me. > > Hey guys. Wes Craig just finished the Linux port for the last release, > from code started by various Linux people. I know that he's interested > in doing NetBSD/FreeBSD and I believe he's waiting to get a PC to do it > on. One of the other UM/ITD Research Systems programmers, Gordon Good, > had it working under NetBSD 0.9 I believe. I suspect that if given the > opportunity, Wes could probably knock out the port in a week or two on > FreeBSD. I'm not sure how busy he is right now. If you're really > interested, you should send mail to netatalk@umich.edu and ask or offer > assistance. I can "beta" test the software, but like I said I can offer little in the way of assistance when it comes to kernel programming. My FreeBSD box is surrounded by 20+ Macs (and printers hanginig off Macs). -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.x-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 18:39:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA27445 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:39:15 -0700 Received: from GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.91]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA27439 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:39:14 -0700 Received: from LOCALHOST by GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa05303; 16 Jun 95 21:38 EDT To: "Mark J. Taylor" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ed0 probe causes page fault in 2.0.5R In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:35:27 -0400. Reply-To: moto@CS.cmu.edu From: moto@CS.cmu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <5301.803353107@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello. >>>>> "Mark" == Mark J Taylor writes: Mark> I'm trying to install 2.0.5R onto a Gateway 2000 machine. It Mark> has a Micronics motherboard, and is a 486DX2/66 with 32 Mb of Mark> RAM. It ran 1.1.5.1 just fine. I've installed 2.0.5R once Mark> already from the same disks w/o any problem. The only hardware Mark> in the system is the SMC Ethernet device and a Mach32 (VLB) Mark> graphics adapter. Mark> When booting from the updated boot floppy (the one with the 4MB Mark> RAM fix), I tell the kernel to boot with the '-c' option. I Mark> then set the port, irq, and iomem of ed0 to 0x300, 10, and Mark> 0xcc000, which is the same as my jumpers are configured for. Mark> When I initiate a 'probe ed0', I always get: Mark> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mod fault virtual ... Mark> process = 0 () interrupt mask = net tty bio I had exactly the same problem when I tried to install 2.0.5R on my machine (GATEWAY2K, 486DX/2 50MHz, 16MB, AHA1542B and SMC Elite16). A few days ago, I asked this problem to questions@freebsd.org but no one has answered to my quesion so far. The only work around, at least for me, was "not to probe ed0" :-) As long as you set correct port addr, irq, iomem, you can proceed to install FreeBSD. ============================================================================== Motonori Shindou Carnegie Mellon University SCS Graduate Student e-mail: moto@cs.cmu.edu, NiftyServe: GEG04056 WWW: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/moto/WWW/moto-home.html TEL: 412-362-9636 FAX: 412-362-9634 ============================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 19:07:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA27881 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 19:07:27 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA27875 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 19:07:25 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA14001; Fri, 16 Jun 95 20:00:35 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506170200.AA14001@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: HD Geometry dirty trick To: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 20:00:34 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506162115.PAA17715@sargon.mdl.sandia.gov> from "Alan F Lundin" at Jun 16, 95 03:15:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Does this mean that it's possible that every distinct > > > BIOS could produce a different geometry for a given disk > > > drive, so that there is no way to predict via an algorithm > > > for all machines what the BIOS geometry should be? Bummer! > > > > Yes. Generally, it's on a per controller ROM revision basis, and > > is not specific to internal machine BIOS. It gets the general name > > of "BIOS" because the POST routines on the card point the INT 13 > > interface to their own ROMs, replacing/chaining the default BIOS. > > > > And there's no way to ask... there's a way to figure it out that mostly > > works, but which can run into LCF problems. > > If there's no way to ask, how does DOS do it? DOS *always* communicates via INT 21 calls (the file I/O interface) or INT 13 calls (the raw disk interface). INT 21 is a consumer of INT 13. Since the translation is done by software at INT 13, DOS never has a problem. Our problem comes from teh fact that we are a protected mode OS and so do not use the INT 13 interface (you can only make BIOS calls from protected mode if you have a protected mode BIOS or if you use a virtual x86 -- VM86 -- interface). The problem with a quick VM86 hack is that it would not fix the problem entirely, since the INT 13 is hooked in BIOS POST initialization order, and there's no way to ask it what it is. At that point, we would know the fictitios geometries of all devices, but we (still) would not be able to match the BIOS devices to the BSD devices (which show up in probe order). To complete the fix requires two pieces: the first is a "fallback" driver that uses a VM86 to do all of its disk I/O, period. This will acause BSD to work on all hardware DOS works on, though some issues of secondary drives will exist. Specifically, if two controllers have BIOS translations active, there will be an issue of figuring out devices after the first two on the controller. The second piece is a crc (or other mechanism) to ask the disks which is which by comparing their contents. Obviously, this would not fit in the current bootblocks. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 19:12:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA28037 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 19:12:03 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA28028 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 19:12:00 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA14060; Fri, 16 Jun 95 20:05:04 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506170205.AA14060@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: penalty of using off_t for arithmatic with gcc's long To: ache@astral.msk.su (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 20:05:03 MDT Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka" at Jun 17, 95 05:11:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1) I say nothing here about atomic off_t, I say about "long" type > of fseek argument, you can see it in any POSIX docs copy. I don't see explicitly definition of off_t as long in my stuff. > 2) In my POSIX specs (maybe I look at wrong place?) I don't read > that off_t must be atomic, it says "integral". You're quite right. "integral", not "atomic". As to the patches: I was under the impression that you had used longs everywhere, and not done the off_t casting you report. So never mind, they're probably correct (if not clean for file offsets above 2G). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 20:44:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02614 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:44:34 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02606 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:44:33 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05158 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:31:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199506170331.UAA05158@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 cc: hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Re: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:53:04 PDT." <199506162253.PAA03965@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:31:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > Phew, the net is wondering when Amancio is finally going > to get the printer and be done with :) > Okay, I just got an HP Laser 5MP so any hints, printer setups or rain dance chants will be most appreciated. I settle for the parallel interface, if later I find out that the network interface is better I will purchase it from HP. Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 20:48:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02913 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:48:12 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02907 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:48:11 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA09737; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:48:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:48:15 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199506170348.XAA09737@Glock.COM> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: xemacs port in combination with ispell port Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well, first off, as usual, I'd like to praise the efforts of the core team on the 2.0.5 release. It's wonderful. Only a few small problems with it that I was able to detect, and other than that it just works like a charm! Ok, now to the nitty gritty. I have installed the ports of xemacs and ispell (praise to the ports people as well!), and am having a problem. I have (add-hook 'mail-send-hook 'ispell-message) so that I spellcheck everything that goes out. Well, for some reason since I upgraded and added those ports to my machine, ispell or ispell-mode is failing somehow. Anyone use this setup too? Anyhow, here's the error message in the minibuffer: ***ispell misalignment: word "uknown" point 79; please retry. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead | Network Administration: Virginia Tech Center for | Transportation Research -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 20:59:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA03736 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:59:57 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA03728 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:59:56 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA25617; Fri, 16 Jun 95 21:58:29 -0600 Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA01683; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:59:51 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:59:51 GMT From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9506170359.AA01683@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA264461590; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:59:50 -0600 To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506170331.UAA05158@rah.star-gate.com> (message from Amancio Hasty on Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:31:33 -0700) Subject: Re: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Amancio" == Amancio Hasty writes: Amancio> I settle for the parallel interface, if later I find out Amancio> that the network interface is better I will purchase it Amancio> from HP. It supports the so-called `Bitronics' interface, right? If so, make sure your cable also supports two-way communication ... you want diagnostics from PostScript, don't you? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA I think people tend to forget that trees are living creatures. They're sort of like dogs. Huge, quiet, motionless dogs, with bark instead of fur. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 21:04:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA04147 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:04:12 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA04137 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:04:05 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA12478; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 13:58:16 +1000 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 13:58:16 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506170358.NAA12478@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ache@astral.msk.su, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: penalty of using off_t for arithmatic with gcc's long Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, peter@haywire.DIALix.COM Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >1) I say nothing here about atomic off_t, I say about "long" type >of fseek argument, you can see it in any POSIX docs copy. >2) In my POSIX specs (maybe I look at wrong place?) I don't read >that off_t must be atomic, it says "integral". "atomic" is bogus. My copy of the POSIX specs says that it must be "signed arithmetic". This sloppy wording seems to allow it to be long double, but maybe "signed integer" is meant. ANSI only specifies "signed" in connection with integer types. >>> If you include , you don't need to cast lseek() argument to off_t. Also if you include or anything that includes it (e.g., bogusly includes it). >>Because the prototype hides the bogosity from you ...a bad thing if you >>move the code between non-POSIX/non-ANSI 100% compliant systems -- like >>BSD. BSD just doesn't have this particular non-compliance bogosity, >>which doesn't guarantee that it doesn't have others. Which bogosities? long long isn't an arithmetic type so it is bogus to use it for off_t. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 22:26:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07849 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:26:51 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07842 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:26:34 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30739>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:26:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xemacs port in combination with ispell port In-Reply-To: <199506170348.XAA09737@Glock.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > Ok, now to the nitty gritty. I have installed the ports of xemacs > and ispell (praise to the ports people as well!), and am having a problem. Please, please, please use the correct list! Use "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" for this sort of thing. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 22:45:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08052 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:45:19 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08046 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:45:18 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA13438; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:44:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:44:28 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199506170544.BAA13438@Glock.COM> To: Tom Samplonius Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xemacs port in combination with ispell port In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, June 16, 1995 22:26:25 -0700 References: <199506170348.XAA09737@Glock.COM> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, June 16, 1995 at 22:26:25 (-0700), Tom Samplonius wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > > Ok, now to the nitty gritty. I have installed the ports of xemacs > > and ispell (praise to the ports people as well!), and am having a problem. > Please, please, please use the correct list! Use > "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" for this sort of thing. Sorry... Guess it didn't occur to me that it was a "ports" issue so much as possibly a local configuration issue which I usually ask about on hackers. I'll bounce the message to the other list. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead | Network Administration: Virginia Tech Center for | Transportation Research -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 23:14:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA09332 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:14:31 -0700 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA09326 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:14:31 -0700 Received: from calvary.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP Received: by calvary.tfs.com (5.0/client-1.5) id AA16168; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:14:28 +0800 From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" Message-Id: <9506162314.ZM16166@calvary> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:14:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: Poul-Henning Kamp "Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE..." (Jun 16, 2:45pm) References: <199506162145.OAA05813@ref.tfs.com> Reply-To: pascal@TFS.COM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 16aug94) To: Poul-Henning Kamp , pascal@TFS.COM Subject: Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii content-length: 1899 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 16, 2:45pm, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Subject: Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... > > I've installed 2.0.5-RELEASE on my 485/50 at work. The install went > > fine. But after configuring to use NIS I'm running into several > > binaries that report: > > > > yp_order: clnt_call: RPC: Procedure unavailable > > > > I've confirmed that I can see my NIS server and I can dump various > > maps using ypcat. I have tracked down this error message to > > /usr/src/lib/libc/yp/yplib.c (line #687). > > > Uhm, Freeman > > Do you actually >HAVE< a NIS server ? I thought you only ran NIS+ ? Yes we're running NIS+, but it's running in compatiblity mode to support the older NIS systems (sunos4, hpux, etc...). > > > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. > http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. > whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. > Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? >-- End of excerpt from Poul-Henning Kamp -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that | | whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting | | life. | | - John 3:16 (KJV) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Freeman P. Pascal IV | | | Senior System Administrator | Phone: (510) 645-3454 | | TRW Financial Systems, Inc. | Fax: (510) 645-3069 | | 300 Lakeside Drive | Email: pascal@tfs.com | | Oakland, CA 94612-3540 | | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 16 23:24:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA09755 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:24:16 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA09748 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:24:14 -0700 Received: from gena@NetVision.net.il (ts42p7.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.127]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14424; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:20:35 +0300 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:20:35 +0300 In-Reply-To: <9506162108.AA13009@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: X-Face: #v>4HN>#D_"[olq9y`HqTYkLVB89Xy|3')Vs9v58JQ*u-xEJVKY`xa.}E?z0RkLI/P&;BJmi0#u=W0).-Y'J4(dw{"54NhSG|YYZG@[)(`e! >jN#L!~qI5fE-JHS+< Organization: NetVision ltd. X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , , Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the stupid question: Linux uses GPL without any problems (or it seems so :-) why we can't? In message <9506162108.AA13009@cs.weber.edu> Terry Lambert writes: >> > I just saw that Alan Cox fired a salvo at FreeBSD in gnu.misc.discuss, >> > under the subject: "Pre-HURD GNU System: Linux or FreeBSD?" > >I've hit the ball back to him (using 'rn' as a racquet). You might >want to read over the article and flame me to get your flames in before >the general Linux public. I think I was reasonable, but anything you >say can be twisted in meaning if you go into the reading with an >existing bias. The group is basically an advocacy group anyway. > >> And now you understand why *BSD hates the bloody GPL so much!!! > >We don't hate it; we simply approve of it less than a UCB-Style >license but more than an Adaptec/Diamond style license (ie: none at all). > >> Self conflicing licenses are very hard to uphold in court. The copyright >> on this file is in conflict with it self! > >I don't think the licensing is self-conflicting. I also don't think there >is a GPL/UCB issue to resolve in the first place. > >Read the Book. (A comment on my average post size. 8-)). > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. -------- Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: gena@NetVision.net.il Homepage: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena This message was sent at 06/17/95 09:07:01 by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 00:07:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10538 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:07:58 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA10531 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:07:56 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23330; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:07:54 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA01711 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:07:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA07337 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:54:27 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506170654.IAA07337@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:54:27 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9506170359.AA01683@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Jun 17, 95 03:59:51 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 482 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Sean Kelly wrote: > > Amancio> I settle for the parallel interface,... > > It supports the so-called `Bitronics' interface, right? If so, make > sure your cable also supports two-way communication ... you want > diagnostics from PostScript, don't you? ...and get somebody hacking the lpt driver supporting input operations. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 00:09:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10582 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:09:30 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA10576 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:09:27 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23324; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:07:51 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA01705; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:07:25 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA07242; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:42:13 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506170642.IAA07242@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:42:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: <9506161839.AA15927@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 16, 95 11:39:58 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2207 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk As Marty Leisner wrote: > > > 1) should I start off with the 2.05 kernel? > Can I run the 2.0 release binaries with the 2.05 kernel > (I have the November infomagic cd-rom). Except for some system binaries (e.g. everything that deals with IP routing), it should be possible. > Sun needs swap space >= physical ram. Does free bsd also have > this problem? (Linux uses swap space just as incremental over ram). You are strongly urged to have more swap space than physical RAM. See Terry Lambert's excellent article on "his hobby-horse memory over- commitment" in Usenet (comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc). I forgot the Subject, it was something with somebody who's been asking if it's possible to eliminate all panics. > When I tried to network, it wanted th NE2000 at 0x280. > I have it mapped elsewhere...how do I get past the defaults? Read the hardware.guide. (Folks, please READ the documentation, that's what it has been written for!) > Is there any documentation for the boot program? If you are refering to the boot options, no, not yet. However, it's not very difficult to understand. The selection for disk/partition/ file name should be self-explanatory, and the most important options you need to know about are: -s - boot into single user (requires root password if console has been made `insecure' in /etc/ttys) -c - run UserConfig -v - `verbose' boot, print more messages -d - jump to DDB before probing devices > The basic bindist says it needs 40 mbytes. Isn't it possible > to run a minimal system for starters (with about 20 mbytes?) You won't be lucky with it. > I have a freebsd partition of about 80 Mbyte -- how should I arrange > it (I have 16 Mbyte of ram, do I need any swap?) You should have 32 MB swap. Again, see Terry's article. (I'm using somewhat about 50 MB swap for a 16 MB machine, and i'm often reaching the 80 % level. Of course, this is with full-blown X11 and compil- ation and ... and ...) > Also, what's involved to cross-compile on linux for freebsd? Don't know if anybody tried this so far. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 00:38:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11065 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:38:40 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11058 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:38:27 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA19951; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:37:09 +0800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:37:06 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Joerg Wunsch cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd In-Reply-To: <199506170642.IAA07242@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > You are strongly urged to have more swap space than physical RAM. See > Terry Lambert's excellent article on "his hobby-horse memory over- > commitment" in Usenet (comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc). I forgot the > Subject, it was something with somebody who's been asking if it's > possible to eliminate all panics. Could someone (Terry?) kindly repost that article here? I remember seeing it go by, but I was in "brief article scan mode" and didn't stop long enough to digest what was said. Thanks. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 00:45:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11345 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:45:06 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11332 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:44:58 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA19967; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:44:02 +0800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:44:02 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: re: too many open files In-Reply-To: <199506161653.MAA02959@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > I still wonder if some other parameter is being consumed other that > file descriptors. It would be nice if we could get some sort of "lsof" > port or some system call to spew a list of open file descriptors out > in a readable dump file. There's fstat(1) which is what I've been using, but CPU and disk load is so high during the time of the benchmarking that it can take (no kidding) in excees of 10 minutes for fstat to return. That usually means I have one chance to issue the command... the system hangs while a second attempt is in progress. :( > It also sounds like Brian has some sort of deadlock problem. Maybe NFS is > creating some sort of lock problem which prevents new processes from > being created. Some sort of unresolvable buffer/vm page deadlock condition? Possibly, but reducing NFS load by moving the HTTP directory hierarchy to a local disk (I've got a huge /scratch filesystem, thank goodness) does not allow the system to run longer or faster. > I wonder if his processes cannot exit and release their resources because > of some condition like this. This would just gum things up as more > processes got created. This happens with both the NCSA and Apache httpd in pre-fork mode, but *not* with Apache in standard forking mode (with up to 50 benchmark clients). Reducing the number to 10 servers and clients allows at least Apache to run long enough in pre-fork mode to complete an overnight (10 hours) test. I'm not sure what else to try, and I don't have any 950412 systems left for comparison. Oh, I did think of one thing I'm going to try tonight before I go home: I have a new kernel now with OPEN_MAX=1024 and NMBCLUSTERS=1024 just to see if that will make any difference over OPEN_MAX=256 and NMBCLUSTERS=1024. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 00:57:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11584 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:57:25 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11577 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:57:22 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA06597; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:57:04 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506170757.AAA06597@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199506162152.XAA05538@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 16, 95 11:52:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1854 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > [Note: I'm Cc'ing the offender, too.] > > As Bruce Evans wrote: > > > > [isdn] > > >> > The FreeBSD-Current release at the moment contains what looks very much like > > >> > GPL code and as such is subject to the GNU public license. > > > > >And we don't distribute that in binary form so we are not in violation > > >of the GPL for that piece of code! > > > > We do distribute gcc in binary form and there is apparently no problem with > > that. > > It wouldn't even a problem if we shipped a binary kernel version with > the isdn driver, since we do also provide the source code. Problems > will only arise for those who intend to distribute modified binaries > without making the modified source available. You had better go read the GPL a few more times. If you link GPL code with non GPL code and distribute that, the whole needs to be under the GPL weither you send source code or not. That is why the GENERIC kernel does not have any GPL code linked into it. And why for so long we would not even allow GPL code in the kernel source tree. [Which given light of this recent harrasement from the GNU folks I would just as soon go back to as a safety policy] > Due to the currently very limited scope of the isdn driver (only > german switch protocols, only a very limited range of hardware > supported), this is unlikely to happen. (And then: it's the problem > of those who're going to distribute those binary versions.) > > It's not our problem if the defenders of the GPL are unable to read > their own license. :-) Please go read GPL version 2.0 section 2.0B and tell me this again.... it makes the whole of the work fall under the GPL, and that is *NOT* what we want! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 00:59:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11752 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:59:42 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA11746 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:59:40 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43029>; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:59:27 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10682; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:39:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199506170039.CAA10682@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Marty Leisner" cc: Brian Tao , Jaye Mathisen , Amancio Hasty , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 16:12:26 +0200." <9506161412.AA14921@gnu.mc.xerox.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:39:57 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > (you can also probably keep a printer busy with a 19.2kbaud serial line). Not if you'r down loading font tables or bitmap images. Used to take me about 1/4 hour to d'load a bitmap to my printer at 9600, (so i reconfig'd to parallel). Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 01:00:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA11825 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:00:07 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA11818 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:00:05 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43165>; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:59:55 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10570; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:06:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199506170006.CAA10570@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 05:00:16 +0200." <199506160300.UAA13976@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:06:10 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I am planning to buy a postscript printer. Is there a significance > performance advantage of having an ethernet interface or how > fast can we drive a parallel interface to a printer? I seem to drive my HP3P with a parallel port at full speed (4 pages per min I recall is the quoted engine speed) Of course, I'm downloading stuff that ghostscript has previously converted from .ps to .pcl. not `on-the-fly' I'm happy that ghostscript saves me the need of a PS cartridge :-) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 01:28:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA12524 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:28:58 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA12518 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:28:53 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA06765; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:28:34 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506170828.BAA06765@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: gena@NetVision.net.il (Gennady B. Sorokopud) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Gennady B. Sorokopud" at Jun 17, 95 09:20:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 586 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > Sorry for the stupid question: > Linux uses GPL without any problems (or it seems so :-) > why we can't? Have you ever read the GPL? Do you understand what it says? Do you like 5 page licenses with all sorts of legaleize in them that even drives a lawyer nuts? Sorry, just can't stand bloody restictions like that, even my lawyer shreeks when he reads it! UCB copyright, nice, sort, understandable, and only 4 conditions! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 01:33:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA12769 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:33:08 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA12763 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:33:06 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25019; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:33:01 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA01990; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:33:00 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA09069; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:31:26 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506170831.KAA09069@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:31:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506170757.AAA06597@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 17, 95 00:57:04 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 493 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > You had better go read the GPL a few more times. If you link GPL code > with non GPL code and distribute that, the whole needs to be under > the GPL weither you send source code or not. Ok, my fault. I've read it again, and yes, we should never provide binary versions of the kernel linked against the GPL'd code. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 02:02:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA14942 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:02:34 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA14927 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:02:27 -0700 Received: from gena@NetVision.net.il (ts43p3.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.143]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22930; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:59:58 +0300 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:59:58 +0300 Message-ID: X-Face: #v>4HN>#D_"[olq9y`HqTYkLVB89Xy|3')Vs9v58JQ*u-xEJVKY`xa.}E?z0RkLI/P&;BJmi0#u=W0).-Y'J4(dw{"54NhSG|YYZG@[)(`e! >jN#L!~qI5fE-JHS+< Organization: NetVision ltd. X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" To: Subject: SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl - permission denied Cc: Tomi Vainio , , "Gennady B. Sorokopud" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I'm author of xmcd port to FreeBSD platform. I received some reports from users that claims that xmcd SCSI interface does not work any more on 2.0.5R. After some checking i find out that SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl always fail with "permission denied". Looking at /sys/scsi/scsi_ioctl.c line 260: /* If we can't write the device we can't permit much: */ if (cmd != SCIOCIDENTIFY && !(flags & FWRITE)) return EACCES; After commenting out this 2 lines and recompiling the kernel xmcd started to work fine. All i need to know is how to call this ioctl so it will not fail. (I have write permission on the device and i get "permission denied" even if i'm running xmcd as root). Any help will be appreciated. -------- Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: gena@NetVision.net.il Homepage: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena This message was sent at 06/17/95 11:34:15 by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 02:59:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA17192 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:59:52 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA17186 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:59:50 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA01870 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:46:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199506170946.CAA01870@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 cc: hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Re: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:31:33 PDT." <199506170331.UAA05158@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:46:45 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk A commented out printcap for postscript or for the most the most popular printers would have been nice to have. Other than that I am all set with my HP LaserJet 5MP. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 03:20:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17731 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:20:34 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17725 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:20:31 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA29970 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:06:56 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02208; 17 Jun 95 05:06:13 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA02205; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:06:12 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506171006.FAA02205@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:06:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199506162152.XAA05538@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 16, 95 11:52:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 388 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It wouldn't even a problem if we shipped a binary kernel version with > the isdn driver, since we do also provide the source code. Problems > will only arise for those who intend to distribute modified binaries > without making the modified source available. i.e., that distribution would be under the GPV. I still say, no GPL in the kernel period. Provide GPL code as add-ons only. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 03:20:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17748 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:20:41 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17739 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:20:38 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA29913 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:52:34 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA01981; 17 Jun 95 04:51:58 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA01978; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:51:57 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506170951.EAA01978@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:51:57 -0500 (CDT) Cc: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506161823.LAA05336@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 16, 95 11:23:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 323 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Since this contradicts other licenses in the BSD code (of which there are > > > many) the FreeBSD-Current system is not a legally distributable product. It > > > seems the FSF may need to take action. And after Craig Burley (a pretty cool guy) assured me that the FSF was just interested in protecting *themselves*. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 03:21:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17823 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:21:27 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17816 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:21:24 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA29979 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:09:03 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02236; 17 Jun 95 05:08:27 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA02233; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:08:27 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506171008.FAA02233@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Cc: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506161904.FAA31772@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 17, 95 05:04:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 271 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >And we don't distribute that in binary form so we are not in violation > >of the GPL for that piece of code! > We do distribute gcc in binary form and there is apparently no problem with > that. It's not in the kernel, it's a separate completely standalone program. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 03:22:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17968 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:22:36 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17935 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 03:22:30 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA29948 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 05:01:18 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02011; 17 Jun 95 04:57:33 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA02007; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:57:33 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199506170957.EAA02007@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:57:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9506161929.AA16085@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Jun 16, 95 12:29:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1003 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > In message <199506161817.NAA15275@bonkers.taronga.com>, you write: > >> You don't need anything faster than a parallel port. > >Unless you're printing big bitmapped images, in which case you do. > Like I said, only if the resolution of the image is the same as > the resolution of the printer... Nope. Only if the resolution of the image is the same as the resolution of the printer, or an integral multiple or divisor of it, or the postscript engine uses a variable duty cycle algorithm (a-la bresenham's), or you care about the overhead of the exchange and you don't have a printer port that does DMA or block transfers... > And parallel ports can go at about 100Kbytes/second...which is > about the speed on an ethernet that's doing anything things... You're used to overloaded ethernets. I routinely get 400k/s running backups at work, and it's not higher only because Amanda wires itself down to keep from soaking the net. Ethernet switches are nice, too. Ours has a 100 Mb/s backplane. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 04:14:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA21263 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:14:11 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA21256 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:14:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA12694; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:11:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" cc: Terry Lambert , "Rodney W. Grimes" , peter@haywire.DIALix.COM, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:20:35 +0300." Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <12688.803387504@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry for the stupid question: > Linux uses GPL without any problems (or it seems so :-) > why we can't? See my own reply in gnu.misc.discuss. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 04:42:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA21651 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:42:33 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA21645 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:42:30 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id HAA11954; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:38:36 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506171138.HAA11954@hda.com> Subject: Re: SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl - permission denied To: gena@NetVision.net.il (Gennady B. Sorokopud) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tomppa@zeta.fidata.fi, hackers@FreeBSD.org, gena@NetVision.net.il In-Reply-To: from "Gennady B. Sorokopud" at Jun 17, 95 11:59:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1636 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gennady B. Sorokopud writes: > > Hello! > > I'm author of xmcd port to FreeBSD platform. > I received some reports from users that claims that xmcd SCSI > interface does not work any more on 2.0.5R. > > After some checking i find out that SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl always fail > with "permission denied". > > Looking at /sys/scsi/scsi_ioctl.c line 260: > > /* If we can't write the device we can't permit much: > */ > if (cmd != SCIOCIDENTIFY && !(flags & FWRITE)) > return EACCES; > > After commenting out this 2 lines and recompiling the kernel > xmcd started to work fine. > > All i need to know is how to call this ioctl so it will not fail. You are probably opening the device O_RDONLY. The SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl beginning in 2.05 is considered 'destructive' and requires write access to the device (even for a CD-ROM). This is different from write permission to open the device. This is because I can't tell which SCIOCCOMMANDs do things (change the mode on the device, eject the CD, etc) that you want to restrict. Otherwise someone could open the CD device read-only, allow removal, change the modes, eject the device, etc. I can't protect based on whether you read or write data, since many destructive commands don't transfer data. Sorry, I should have considered this problem with existing programs. I hate to see your program break this way on 2.05. Are there any ideas for better ways to handle this? Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 04:53:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA21909 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:53:01 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA21903 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:52:59 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id HAA12011; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:51:29 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199506171151.HAA12011@hda.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: gena@NetVision.net.il, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: <199506170828.BAA06765@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 17, 95 01:28:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1476 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > > > Sorry for the stupid question: > > Linux uses GPL without any problems (or it seems so :-) > > why we can't? > > Have you ever read the GPL? Do you understand what it says? Do you > like 5 page licenses with all sorts of legaleize in them that even > drives a lawyer nuts? > > Sorry, just can't stand bloody restictions like that, even my lawyer > shreeks when he reads it! > > UCB copyright, nice, sort, understandable, and only 4 conditions! I agree with this SO MUCH I'll SHOUT. We work with small and medium size companies. We embed chunks of BSD kernel in their products, some of which have no OS at all. This means presenting the licencing terms to the management, and the management presenting them to the legal department or outside lawyer during the project negotiation phase. We take intellectual property rights seriously, and usually have to negotiate changes in the company boiler plate legal agreements. We have enough trouble with that. I assure you that trying to get the GPL understood by those people, and then approved, would be a problem for us. Before engaging in any discussions of GPL versus BSD everyone should sit down and read the GPL, and when in the discussion try to see the environment that the other individual is coming from. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 06:01:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA22553 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 06:01:25 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA22547 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 06:01:21 -0700 Received: from gena@NetVision.net.il (ts41p5.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.105]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20225; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:01:36 +0300 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:01:36 +0300 In-Reply-To: <199506171138.HAA11954@hda.com> Message-ID: X-Face: #v>4HN>#D_"[olq9y`HqTYkLVB89Xy|3')Vs9v58JQ*u-xEJVKY`xa.}E?z0RkLI/P&;BJmi0#u=W0).-Y'J4(dw{"54NhSG|YYZG@[)(`e! >jN#L!~qI5fE-JHS+< Organization: NetVision ltd. X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2-Beta on FreeBSD From: "Gennady B. Sorokopud" To: Peter Dufault Subject: Re: SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl - permission denied Cc: , Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199506171138.HAA11954@hda.com> Peter Dufault writes: >Gennady B. Sorokopud writes: >> >> Hello! >> >> I'm author of xmcd port to FreeBSD platform. >> I received some reports from users that claims that xmcd SCSI >> interface does not work any more on 2.0.5R. >> >> After some checking i find out that SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl always fail >> with "permission denied". >> >> Looking at /sys/scsi/scsi_ioctl.c line 260: >> >> /* If we can't write the device we can't permit much: >> */ >> if (cmd != SCIOCIDENTIFY && !(flags & FWRITE)) >> return EACCES; >> >> After commenting out this 2 lines and recompiling the kernel >> xmcd started to work fine. >> >> All i need to know is how to call this ioctl so it will not fail. > >You are probably opening the device O_RDONLY. The SCIOCCOMMAND You right! How stupid i was :-(. Thanks. >ioctl beginning in 2.05 is considered 'destructive' and requires >write access to the device (even for a CD-ROM). This is different >from write permission to open the device. > >This is because I can't tell which SCIOCCOMMANDs do things (change >the mode on the device, eject the CD, etc) that you want to restrict. >Otherwise someone could open the CD device read-only, allow removal, >change the modes, eject the device, etc. > >I can't protect based on whether you read or write data, since many >destructive commands don't transfer data. > >Sorry, I should have considered this problem with existing programs. >I hate to see your program break this way on 2.05. Are there any >ideas for better ways to handle this? > >Peter > >-- >Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation >HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 >dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 -------- Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: gena@NetVision.net.il Homepage: http://www.netvision.net.il/~gena This message was sent at 06/17/95 15:47:30 by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 07:17:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA24043 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:17:24 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA24037 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:17:22 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27302; Sat, 17 Jun 95 08:12:55 -0600 Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA10118; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:14:19 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:14:19 GMT From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9506171414.AA10118@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA268678458; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:14:18 -0600 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de In-Reply-To: <199506170654.IAA07337@uriah.heep.sax.de> (message from J Wunsch on Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:54:27 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "J"org" == J Wunsch writes: Amancio> I settle for the parallel interface,... >> It supports the so-called `Bitronics' interface, right? If >> so, make sure your cable also supports two-way communication >> ... you want diagnostics from PostScript, don't you? J"org> ...and get somebody hacking the lpt driver supporting input J"org> operations. :) Doh! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because hey, free dummy. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 07:44:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA25541 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:44:00 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA25535 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 07:43:59 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27345; Sat, 17 Jun 95 08:41:25 -0600 Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA11950; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:42:49 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:42:49 GMT From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9506171442.AA11950@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA268900168; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:42:48 -0600 To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506170946.CAA01870@rah.star-gate.com> (message from Amancio Hasty on Sat, 17 Jun 1995 02:46:45 -0700) Subject: Re: Printer setup for HP laser 4 or Declaser 5100 ? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk For my PostScript printer, using lprps on a serial line: # The name of the printer is `ps' or `PS' or `eeep'. Also, at least # one of your printers should be named `lp' as the default printer. lp|ps|PS|eeep|Panasonic KX-P4455 PostScript v51.4:\ # It's connected to the sixth serial port. :lp=/dev/ttyd5:\ # These flags make it work (TANDEM, FLUSHO, LITOUT) :fs#0xA00001:\ # Communicating at 38400bps. :br#38400:\ # Opened for writing and reading. :rw:\ # No form feeds, please. :sf:\ # Where all the action is: all spooling dirs are under /var/spool/lpd/. :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ # Accounting file is /var/spool/lpd/lp/acct (used by lprps). :af=acct:\ # Unlimited job sizes allowed. :mx#0:\ # No banner page; that's taken care of by the input filter. The # built-in banner page mechanism won't work for PostScript. :sh:\ # Main input filter. This is a binary provided by lprps # that detects whether the file is plain text or PostScript. For # plain text, it runs a text-to-PS filter; for PostScript, it goes # straight to the printer. :if=/usr/local/libexec/psif:\ # Filters for other formats; these are one-line scripts that look like # exec | lprps :df=/usr/local/libexec/psif-dvi:\ :rf=/usr/local/libexec/psif-fortran:\ :tf=/usr/local/libexec/psif-troff: # That's it. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA If you're ever stuck in some thick undergrowth, in your underwear, don't stop and think of what other words have 'under' in them, because that's probably the first sign of jungle madness. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 08:55:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA27580 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:55:59 -0700 Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27572 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 08:55:56 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02097; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:55:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:55:44 -0400 From: "House of Debuggin'" Message-Id: <199506171555.LAA02097@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> To: pascal@TFS.COM Subject: Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, phk@ref.tfs.com Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [problems with NIS+ server and FreeBSD client] Well, if you're getting 'procedure not available' errors when trying to do a yp_order(), then I guess the NIS+ 'compatibility' mode isn't all that compatible. I wish to hell I had an NIS+ server over here that I could have checked this with. Tell me: if you go to one of the SunOS 4 or HP-UX machines and use the yppoll command (i.e. 'yppoll passwd.byname') what does it say? This command does a call to yp_order() as well. Anyway, if you need a quick fix, ftp a fresh copy of /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c and try rebuilding libc with it. (You'll have to relink some static binaries too, I'm afraid). I patched it last night to use yp_first() instead of yp_order() to check for the 'master.passwd.*' maps. I used yp_order() at first because it was faster. *sigh* -Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 09:11:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28336 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:11:01 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28330 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:11:00 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA13500 ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:10:56 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id SAA11572 ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:10:56 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199506171610.SAA11572@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:10:56 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 16, 95 03:24:50 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 516 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > THe 4MP comes with the JetDirect interface built-in and has a > zillion different serial, parallel and network connectors. You should > be able to get it for less than US$2000 (with 6 megs RAM). I think you're talking about the 4Mplus not the 4MP which doesn't have an Ethernet interface. The 4M+ is 12 ppm where the 4MP is 4 ppm. Both are 600 dpi printers. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 09:11:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28364 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:11:09 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28350 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:11:07 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10164; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:10:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Amancio Hasty cc: Michael Smith , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199506160449.VAA00299@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Lexmark Optra-R - its faster than the HP (12ppm), higher rez than the HP (true 1200 dpi), and prettier than the HP. It also has a much nicer control panel, an excellent warranty, and prints absolutely beutifully. It is also very expandable. Highly recommended. BTW - I got it for $1440.00 - less than a HP4+. On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >>> Michael Smith said: > > > > If you're doing PS, get the _fastest_ processor you can - ps isn't terribly > > bulky (unless you have lots of bitmaps with it), but rendering it can take > > an age. > > Does the HP Laser 4MP qualified as a printer having a fast processor and > does any one know how much more is the ethernet interface? > > Tnks, > Amancio > Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 09:17:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28733 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:17:50 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28725 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:17:46 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA19379; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:16:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:16:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199506171616.MAA19379@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bsdi-users@bsdi.com From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Hardware Reboots Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Apparently, many have misunderstood my request. I apologize if I >wasn't clear. I'll try again. > >I can't use reboot(8) or shutdown(8) as these only do a "warm boot" >(i.e. equivalent to ctrl-alt-del in DOS). I need the hardware reset >associated with a "cold boot" (i.e. equiv. to power cycle or reset >button). I need to be able to do this remotely without physical >assistance at the box. > >I know there is software to do this in DOS, so I'm hoping that there >is a way under BSD/OS. Any ideas? > There is no soft way to do a hard boot. Perhaps I could get some feedback on what interest might be for the following product: One of our sync cards has a "watchdog timer", which can be set to "hard reboot" the PC if no interrupt is received for X seconds. (there is a jumper on the board which connects to the reset pins on your MB). If you run a simple utility you can set the timeout to ~0 and hard reboot the machine on demand. Now you probably don't want to buy a sync card for $500. to get this. But if a stripped down card (for say $150) was available would there be interest? It would be very easy to do. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 09:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29082 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:22:26 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA29074 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:22:25 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA13158; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:21:50 -0400 Received: from lakes (lakes [192.96.3.39]) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12939 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:01:42 -0400 Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA29747 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:05:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:05:07 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199506171505.LAA29747@lakes> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Problem with 2.0.5-R install and SL/IP. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think I've discovered that if you don't do PPP (for those special "hardwired" situations), and opt out for SL/IP instead; there's no ifconfig done on sl0 (that's the best I can figure out.) Thus, nothing goes anywhere. After installing the root file system from the floppy, I went to the shell on ALT-F4 and did a proper ifconfig and was able to ftp to my release machine, etc... - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 09:22:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29110 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:22:29 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA29089 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:22:27 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA13168; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:21:53 -0400 Received: from lakes (lakes [192.96.3.39]) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12950 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:02:32 -0400 Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA29751 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:05:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:05:58 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199506171505.LAA29751@lakes> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: 2.0.5-R and reboot. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apparently 2.0.5-R suffers from the same problem 2.0R did with respect to rebooting. On my 386sx-25 laptop; all it does is print the "syncing disks" message, and hang. - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 09:39:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29660 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:39:54 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29654 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:39:53 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA19504; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:38:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:38:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199506171638.MAA19504@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Alok K. Dhir" From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: printer recommendation? Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I have a Lexmark Optra-R - its faster than the HP (12ppm), higher rez >than the HP (true 1200 dpi), and prettier than the HP. It also has a >much nicer control panel, an excellent warranty, and prints absolutely >beutifully. It is also very expandable. Highly recommended. > >BTW - I got it for $1440.00 - less than a HP4+. >> >> > If you're doing PS, get the _fastest_ processor you can - ps isn't terribly >> > bulky (unless you have lots of bitmaps with it), but rendering it can take >> > an age. >> >> Does the HP Laser 4MP qualified as a printer having a fast processor and >> does any one know how much more is the ethernet interface? >> There is only 1 printer standard.- HP. Consider that every vendor, every product on the market makes absolutely sure that their software works with HP FIRST...that no serious product doesn't support HP FIRST....and then make you decision. If HPs were expensive you'd have to think....but they're not. so what are you waiting for? Dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 10:01:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00229 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:01:29 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA00223 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:01:28 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14815(6)>; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:00:47 PDT Received: by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06612; Sat, 17 Jun 95 13:00:40 EDT Message-Id: <9506171700.AA06612@gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:42:12 PDT." <199506170642.IAA07242@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:00:39 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> When I tried to network, it wanted th NE2000 at 0x280. >> I have it mapped elsewhere...how do I get past the defaults? > >Read the hardware.guide. (Folks, please READ the documentation, that's >what it has been written for!) > I'd read it if I can find it...where is it? (I looked on ftp.freebsd.org without luck, and my CD-rom... BTW -- the configure program for the NE2000 Linksys clone doesn't support 0x280 -- only 0x300, 0x320, 0x340 and 0x360... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 10:05:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00353 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:05:00 -0700 Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00344 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:04:59 -0700 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14318 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:03:44 -0700 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25203 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:04:07 -0700 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00362 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:02:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:02:48 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199506171702.KAA00362@geli.clusternet> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: why are we discussing printer stuff in hackers? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well? Thanks, Russell From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 10:07:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00459 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:07:08 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA00453 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:07:06 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14406(2)>; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:06:30 PDT Received: by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06643; Sat, 17 Jun 95 13:06:22 EDT Message-Id: <9506171706.AA06643@gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com> To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Cc: "Alok K. Dhir" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:38:54 PDT." <199506171638.MAA19504@mail.htp.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:06:21 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> >There is only 1 printer standard.- HP. Consider that every vendor, every >product on the market makes absolutely sure that their software works with >HP FIRST...that no serious product doesn't support HP FIRST....and then make >you decision. If HPs were expensive you'd have to think....but they're not. >so what are you waiting for? > >Dennis > HP is only the standard for PCL. The Apple laserwriter is a generally accepted postscript standard... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 10:52:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01154 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:52:59 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01148 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:52:58 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03533; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:39:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506171739.KAA03533@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: "Alok K. Dhir" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:10:15 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 10:39:50 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Alok K. Dhir" said: > > I have a Lexmark Optra-R - its faster than the HP (12ppm), higher rez > than the HP (true 1200 dpi), and prettier than the HP. It also has a > much nicer control panel, an excellent warranty, and prints absolutely > beutifully. It is also very expandable. Highly recommended. > > BTW - I got it for $1440.00 - less than a HP4+. > Now you got my attention, I got seven days to return my HP 5MP. Can you print 12 ppm using a2ps (text to postcript)? I printed a couple of bit map images from Bettina's PhotoCD and it took a while to print so do you know if you have a speedy processor for postscript? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 11:19:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01432 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:19:09 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01426 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:19:07 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03630; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:06:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199506171806.LAA03630@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: "Alok K. Dhir" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:38:54 EDT." <199506171638.MAA19504@mail.htp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:06:00 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> dennis said: > > > >I have a Lexmark Optra-R - its faster than the HP (12ppm), higher rez > >than the HP (true 1200 dpi), and prettier than the HP. It also has a > >much nicer control panel, an excellent warranty, and prints absolutely > >beutifully. It is also very expandable. Highly recommended. > > > >BTW - I got it for $1440.00 - less than a HP4+. > >> > >> > If you're doing PS, get the _fastest_ processor you can - ps isn't > terribly > >> > bulky (unless you have lots of bitmaps with it), but rendering it can take > >> > an age. > >> > >> Does the HP Laser 4MP qualified as a printer having a fast processor and > >> does any one know how much more is the ethernet interface? > >> > There is only 1 printer standard.- HP. Consider that every vendor, every > product on the market makes absolutely sure that their software works with > HP FIRST...that no serious product doesn't support HP FIRST....and then make > you decision. If HPs were expensive you'd have to think....but they're not. > so what are you waiting for? > Chill out , I got the HP 5MP and is all working over here :) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 11:48:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01797 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:48:43 -0700 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (bakul@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01791 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:48:42 -0700 Received: from localhost by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA24401; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:47:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199506171847.LAA24401@netcom9.netcom.com> To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 95 10:39:50 PDT." <199506171739.KAA03533@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 11:47:46 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You should check out and post on comp.periphs.printer -- you will be able to get more detailed answers from various printer company folks + pointers to their URLs. c.p.p is still reasonably sane and has a high S/N ratio (for a usenet group). Pretty much any printer with a parallel/serial port will work with *BSD so if you want the best printer that meets your criteria, ask on c.p.p. [My criteria? PostScript support, double sided printing, 1200dpi, PCL support, higher speed, Color. In that order] From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 11:58:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02112 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:58:58 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02106 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:58:54 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA01285; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 04:52:13 +1000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 04:52:13 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506171852.EAA01285@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> When I tried to network, it wanted th NE2000 at 0x280. >>> I have it mapped elsewhere...how do I get past the defaults? >> >>Read the hardware.guide. (Folks, please READ the documentation, that's >>what it has been written for!) >> >I'd read it if I can find it...where is it? >(I looked on ftp.freebsd.org without luck, and my CD-rom... FAQ/TROUBLESHOOTING on the cdrom. I can't find hardware.*. HW.TROUBLE and hw.sgml are only outlines. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 12:09:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA02444 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:09:42 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA02438 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:09:41 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04513; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:56:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199506171856.LAA04513@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: Bakul Shah cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:47:46 PDT." <199506171847.LAA24401@netcom9.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:56:32 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Bakul Shah said: > You should check out and post on comp.periphs.printer -- you > will be able to get more detailed answers from various > printer company folks + pointers to their URLs. c.p.p is > still reasonably sane and has a high S/N ratio (for a usenet > group). Pretty much any printer with a parallel/serial port > will work with *BSD so if you want the best printer that > meets your criteria, ask on c.p.p. [My criteria? PostScript > support, double sided printing, 1200dpi, PCL support, higher > speed, Color. In that order] Hmmm... I will do that a short FAQ on printer support will not be bad idea. The FreeBSD handbook has a section on Printing so I would imagine that printing, printer setup, and printer info should go in there. In fact your message with a printcap for lets say something like an HP DeskJet and the HP LaserJet postscript, how to print text files and man pages using poscript will not be a bad idea. Last but not least since we run Unix and have a different environment than DOS it will not be a bad idea for someone to recommend a range of printers that are applicable to the FreeBSD environment. Ethernet vs. parallel and for the case of lan based printers which protocol do we support, if any. And to those that responded to my plea for help, a million thanks!! Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 12:31:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA02785 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:31:58 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA02779 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:31:56 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA11837; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:32:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:32:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: printer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199506171739.KAA03533@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >>> "Alok K. Dhir" said: > > > > I have a Lexmark Optra-R - its faster than the HP (12ppm), higher rez > > than the HP (true 1200 dpi), and prettier than the HP. It also has a > > much nicer control panel, an excellent warranty, and prints absolutely > > beutifully. It is also very expandable. Highly recommended. > > > > BTW - I got it for $1440.00 - less than a HP4+. > Can you print 12 ppm using a2ps (text to postcript)? I don't see why not - the printer's engine is rated at 12ppm for 600dpi and 8ppm for 1200 - I don't think that a2ps would make a difference one way or the other. In any case, a2ps is not really necessary with the Optra since it does autosensing between PCL and Postscript. You can send it straight text and it prints it fine. > I printed a couple of bit map images from Bettina's PhotoCD and it > took a while to print so do you know if you have a speedy processor > for postscript? The processor on these things is RISC, and it is faster than any printer I've ever used - I've never used the HP 5 series though, my other printer was a HP 4M. BTW - the Optra line has several other printers up to the Optra Lxi - go see http://www.lexmark.com for more info. Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 13:00:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA03176 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 13:00:32 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA03170 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 13:00:29 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA07310; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:59:59 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506171959.MAA07310@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: GPL code in freebsd? To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 12:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gena@NetVision.net.il, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: <199506171151.HAA12011@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Jun 17, 95 07:51:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1892 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > > Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > > > > > > Sorry for the stupid question: > > > Linux uses GPL without any problems (or it seems so :-) > > > why we can't? > > > > Have you ever read the GPL? Do you understand what it says? Do you > > like 5 page licenses with all sorts of legaleize in them that even > > drives a lawyer nuts? > > > > Sorry, just can't stand bloody restictions like that, even my lawyer > > shreeks when he reads it! > > > > UCB copyright, nice, sort, understandable, and only 4 conditions! > > I agree with this SO MUCH I'll SHOUT. > > We work with small and medium size companies. We embed chunks of > BSD kernel in their products, some of which have no OS at all. > This means presenting the licencing terms to the management, and > the management presenting them to the legal department or outside > lawyer during the project negotiation phase. > > We take intellectual property rights seriously, and usually have > to negotiate changes in the company boiler plate legal agreements. > We have enough trouble with that. I assure you that trying to get > the GPL understood by those people, and then approved, would be a > problem for us. > > Before engaging in any discussions of GPL versus BSD everyone should > sit down and read the GPL, and when in the discussion try to see > the environment that the other individual is coming from. I would go a few steps farther in this if you are in the software end of things and plan on using GPL'ed code for your work of in your work. I suggest you print out a copy of the version 2 GPL, take it to a lawyer, pay him the $100.00 to explain just what it means to you. Then quickly run home and destroy all the GPL code you are using in your business :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 14:04:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA05456 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:04:53 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA05449 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:04:46 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sN50D-000I33C; Sat, 17 Jun 95 23:02 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.0 #15) id m0sN3Jq-000209C; Sat, 17 Jun 95 21:14 WET DST Message-Id: From: hm@ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Hardware Reboots To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:14:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506171616.MAA19379@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 17, 95 12:16:45 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 673 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of dennis: > One of our sync cards has a "watchdog timer", which can be set to "hard > reboot" the PC if no interrupt is received for X seconds. (there is a jumper > on the board which connects to the reset pins on your MB). If you run a > simple utility you can set the timeout to ~0 and hard reboot the machine on > demand. I'm sorry to interrupt, but until now i thought the reset line on ISA/EISA was unidirectional from the CPU to reset cards in ISA/EISA slots. Not true ? hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 15:00:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06518 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:00:10 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06510 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:00:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00261 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:02:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199506172202.SAA00261@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FBSD2.0.5R ed driver misfeature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:02:52 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The ed driver in 2.0.5R has some (silly) behavior I need to work around. I've got a slew of the NE2000/WD8013EBT clone cards that *used* to work fine in in WD8013 mode in 2.0R, but don't work this way on 2.0.5R. If I try to set the I/O address, IRQ, and IOMEM address, the ed driver resets the cards into NE2000 mode. If I try the -1 userconfig value, the driver cheerfully tells me that WD8013 cards dont support sniffing the IRQ values. Catch 22. I can install using the ne2000 mode of the card, but I really need to operate these cards in WD8013 mode for lots of reasons. How can I make this happen? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 15:14:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07013 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:14:53 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA07007 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:14:52 -0700 Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06865 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:01:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199506172201.PAA06865@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Answering Machine FAQ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:01:47 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, This is the first cut at writting something about vgetty. You can retrieve it from rah.star-gate.com:/pub/Voice.FAQ Eventually, I will submit it for inclusing into the FreeBSD HandBook. Have fun ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amancio Hasty Hasty Software Consulting Services Tel: 415-495-3046, Fax 415-495-3046, Cellular: 415-309-8931 e-mail: hasty@star-gate.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 15:18:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07218 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:18:52 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA07208 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:18:50 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09578; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:18:47 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA05745 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:18:47 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA14145 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:15:20 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506172215.AAA14145@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Hardware Reboots To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:15:19 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" at Jun 17, 95 09:14:10 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 404 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: [Watchdog timer to interrupt] > I'm sorry to interrupt, but until now i thought the reset line on ISA/EISA > was unidirectional from the CPU to reset cards in ISA/EISA slots. Nein, Hellmuth. The reset line is a true CPU reset. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 15:18:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA07231 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:18:53 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA07207 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:18:49 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA09571; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:18:46 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA05742 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:18:46 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA14126 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:13:56 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506172213.AAA14126@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:13:56 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199506171852.EAA01285@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 18, 95 04:52:13 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 350 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > >>Read the hardware.guide. > >I'd read it if I can find it...where is it? > FAQ/TROUBLESHOOTING on the cdrom. > I can't find hardware.*. My fault. I was referring to 2.0.5R. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 15:58:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA11242 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:58:31 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11236 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:58:30 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA01783 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:59:27 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199506172259.SAA01783@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Why does every packet have so many options? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:59:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 255 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Why is it that All FreeBSD packets have a zillion options set in them, while most other vendors packets are "clean" ? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 16:03:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA11930 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:03:15 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11924 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:03:14 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA21708 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:02:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:02:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199506172302.TAA21708@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: printer recommendation? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >>>> >>There is only 1 printer standard.- HP. Consider that every vendor, every >>product on the market makes absolutely sure that their software works with >>HP FIRST...that no serious product doesn't support HP FIRST....and then make >>you decision. If HPs were expensive you'd have to think....but they're not. >>so what are you waiting for? >> >>Dennis >> >HP is only the standard for PCL. The Apple laserwriter is a generally >accepted postscript standard... > Actually, the laserwriter is the standard for MACs....HP is the standard for x86 postscript. dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 16:19:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA15069 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:19:26 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA15063 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:19:24 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16099; Sat, 17 Jun 95 17:09:23 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506172309.AA16099@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: bringing up freebsd To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 17:09:22 MDT Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.Org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 17, 95 03:37:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.Org Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > > You are strongly urged to have more swap space than physical RAM. See > > Terry Lambert's excellent article on "his hobby-horse memory over- > > commitment" in Usenet (comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc). I forgot the > > Subject, it was something with somebody who's been asking if it's > > possible to eliminate all panics. > > Could someone (Terry?) kindly repost that article here? I > remember seeing it go by, but I was in "brief article scan mode" and > didn't stop long enough to digest what was said. Thanks. It was just a rephrasing of my standard diatribe, with an admission that the reason I go off like that is basically that I'd make the tradeoff differently were I in control of the universe. 8-). I'll repeat the whole thing because I rather like the fault tolerance aspects. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. === BEGIN INCLUDED MATERIAL ================================================ Michael Dillon wrote: ] I was just browsing a WWW page at Amdahl, the mainframe ] manufacturer when I came across the following: ] ] http://www.amdahl.com/doc/products/oes/cb.uts/utshist.html ] ] UTS 4.2 was engineered to eliminate all kernel panics (other UNIX ] operating systems based on a simple port of the base SVR4 source ] contain "panic" code that will stop the machine in unexpected ] situations). In the development of UTS 4.2, the base SVR4 code ] was methodically "scrubbed" to create a run-time environment as ] reliable as the S/390 hardware platform it serves. ] ] If they can do it, why can't FreeBSD do the same? I'm thinking that this ] problem is similar to the problems with TCP/IP congestion and that ] solutions could be found similarly. Is that "marketing eliminated" or "engineering eliminated". I guaran-damn-tee you if there is a hardware fault, the machine is going to suck mud, no matter what they do to the software. Just like a short in the ethernet will take out a NetWare SFT (Software Fault Tolerance) server. Now there *are* two classes of panic. One is the result of an unrecoverable failure mode. UTS has unrecoverable failure modes, too -- don't let them kid you. You hadle these by panicing. The Second type of panic is one where the kernel agrees to do something, then renigs on the agreement. There are a lot of cases, mostly based on probability, where the kernel will commit to doing something that it thinks it can most likely do, but is not 100% certain it can. For instance, allowing a process to start at all without knowing what the maximum dirty data pages it will use during its lifetime is beforehand. It's possible to get around most of these problems by not allowing the overcommitting of resources; the problem with that is that on the the average, it's OK ot overcommit resources, and doing so will result in less overall resources being required for the average case. One of my favorite hobby-horses is memory overcommit. The good things about memory overcommit are: o Your total avaiable memory is swap size + RAM size o You don't require real swap for clean text (and data, if correctly implemented) pages, since they can be reloaded from the file (this is called using the file as backing store). o Precommitting resources takes time, so not doing it means you can start executing code before you have it all in core. o The copy costs for the pages can be amortized over the runtime of the program. The plus to this is that it grants the appearance of speed; the downside is that it actually detracts from overall speed during runtime binding (a problem most shared library implementations also have). The bad things are: o Unless your total available memory is limited to swap size (meaning that you have real swap space reserved as backing store for RAM), you can't guarantee hot shutdown/restart, and you can't guarantee enough space to support kernel dumps (in case of unrecoverable errors). o Using a program file as backing store causes problems: if the program was loaded over NFS, the NFS server must stay up to swap in pages; therefore the image is fragile to network outages (anyone who has used a diskless Sun would agree). The "fix" for this would be to special case remote file systems to load remote images entirely into local swap. That only works in "dataless" configurations, not "diskless", since swap is also remote in the second case. FreeBSD, NetBSD, SVR4, etc. typically don't implement this "fix". o Using the program image as a swap store makes the program fragile to modification. This is the purpose of the VTEXT flag on an in core vnode on such systems, and attempts to modify the image result in an error return of ETXTBUSY (a non-POSIX error return "extension"). The "fix" for this one is to fault the image to swap (and make the VM system "prefer" swap pages to disk pages -- something you want anyway, since a page reference from swap is much faster than one through the file system) and allow the modification to proceed. Again, this is not typically implemented, and there are problems if the modification is not local to the machine doing the running, since the non-standard VTEXT flag is not propagated to a remote host (NFS/RFS). In combination with forcing remotely executed code to local swap, this window is (mostly) closed. o Delayed startup (obviously: related to the size of the image being copied to swap). And this is just *one* of the overcommitted resources on the machine. Obviously, it a set of trade-offs between what the user is willing to spend on hardware vs. what they get for their money. === END INCLUDED MATERIAL ================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 16:20:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA15269 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:20:27 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA15259 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:20:24 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA07884; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:19:59 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506172319.QAA07884@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: printer recommendation? To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506172302.TAA21708@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 17, 95 07:02:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1131 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > >>>> > >>There is only 1 printer standard.- HP. Consider that every vendor, every > >>product on the market makes absolutely sure that their software works with > >>HP FIRST...that no serious product doesn't support HP FIRST....and then make > >>you decision. If HPs were expensive you'd have to think....but they're not. > >>so what are you waiting for? > >> > >>Dennis > >> > >HP is only the standard for PCL. The Apple laserwriter is a generally > >accepted postscript standard... > > > Actually, the laserwriter is the standard for MACs....HP is the standard for > x86 postscript. Half right. HP is the standard for PCL, Adobe *IS* the standard for postscript. HP uses Adobe licensed postscript, but then so do a dozen other printer manufactures. Don't touch a postscript printer that does not have an Adobe licensed version of postscript. None of this has anything to do with the Intel x86 architecure, that comment was irrelevant to the conversation!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 16:20:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA15326 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:20:32 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA15310 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:20:31 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA21858; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:19:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:19:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199506172319.TAA21858@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: inet-access@earth.com From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Hardware Reboots Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Apparently, many have misunderstood my request. I apologize if I >wasn't clear. I'll try again. > >I can't use reboot(8) or shutdown(8) as these only do a "warm boot" >(i.e. equivalent to ctrl-alt-del in DOS). I need the hardware reset >associated with a "cold boot" (i.e. equiv. to power cycle or reset >button). I need to be able to do this remotely without physical >assistance at the box. > >I know there is software to do this in DOS, so I'm hoping that there >is a way under BSD/OS. Any ideas? > There is no soft way to do a hard boot. Perhaps I could get some feedback on what interest might be for the following product: One of our sync cards has a "watchdog timer", which can be set to "hard reboot" the PC if no interrupt is received for X seconds. (there is a jumper on the board which connects to the reset pins on your MB). If you run a simple utility you can set the timeout to ~0 and hard reboot the machine on demand. Now you probably don't want to buy a sync card for $500. to get this. But if a stripped down card (for say $150) was available would there be interest? It would be very easy to do. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 16:54:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21239 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:54:36 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA21230 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:54:35 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA22074 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:53:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:53:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199506172353.TAA22074@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: RE: Panics and such Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk terry@cs.weber.edu wrote [much deleted] >Now there *are* two classes of panic. One is the result of an >unrecoverable failure mode. UTS has unrecoverable failure modes, >too -- don't let them kid you. You hadle these by panicing. > There are WAY too many panics in the BSD code. Somewhere along the line the reason for a panic has been grossly expanded. I complained to BSDI (the exact same code is in FreeBSD) when we discovered that an unrecognized ioctl command to a raw socket will panic the machine. Of course they didn't write the code..so they had no opinion (another story). Upon examination of the code, there are many places where panics are used where an informational display or logging would suffice (like trying to send an invalid ICMP type...why panic, just don't do it). These things really should be scrubbed, eventually. As for the unrecoverable stuff, there are machines that will never "panic" (like cisco routers). In many cases you could just fail the operation or exit context, hoping that no damage was done. You may just lose a buffer or send out a bogus packet. For a commercial product, the "appearence" of indescructablity is important....however if it happens often enough you will have a non-functioning machine. On the cisco (2501) for example, if you send SABMs (erroneously) on a serial link that the cisco has configured for frame relay, you will get no error messages but in a few minutes all of the memory in the machine will be consumed (probably by lost buffers). There's no panic or crash, but the persistant problem eventually caused a system failure. The thought behind it, I guess, is that in UNIX an isolated single event might cause the system to go down, while on the cisco only 1 buffer would be lost and the user would never know it. dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 17:05:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA22209 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:05:43 -0700 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA22197 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:05:41 -0700 Received: from calvary.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP Received: by calvary.tfs.com (5.0/client-1.5) id AA17167; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:05:38 +0800 From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" Message-Id: <9506171705.ZM17165@calvary> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:05:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: "House of Debuggin'" "Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE..." (Jun 17, 11:55am) References: <199506171555.LAA02097@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Reply-To: pascal@TFS.COM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 16aug94) To: "House of Debuggin'" Subject: Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, phk@ref.tfs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii content-length: 2419 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 17, 11:55am, House of Debuggin' wrote: > Subject: Re: NIS woes with 2.0.5-RELEASE... > [problems with NIS+ server and FreeBSD client] > > Well, if you're getting 'procedure not available' errors when trying > to do a yp_order(), then I guess the NIS+ 'compatibility' mode isn't > all that compatible. I wish to hell I had an NIS+ server over here > that I could have checked this with. > > Tell me: if you go to one of the SunOS 4 or HP-UX machines and > use the yppoll command (i.e. 'yppoll passwd.byname') what does > it say? This command does a call to yp_order() as well. > Here's the ouptut from '/usr/etc/yp/yppoll passwd.byname' on a SunOS 4.1.3_U1 machine: [pascal@casesrv(ttyp7)]<3> /usr/etc/yp/yppoll passwd.byname Can't make YPPROC_ORDER call to ypserv at (null). Reason: RPC: Procedure unavailable As you said, looks like NIS+ compatiblity mode is not so compatible. I'll check our Sun Solve account to see if yp_order not being supported under NIS+ is mentioned or not. > Anyway, if you need a quick fix, ftp a fresh copy of > /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c and try rebuilding libc with it. > (You'll have to relink some static binaries too, I'm afraid). I > patched it last night to use yp_first() instead of yp_order() to > check for the 'master.passwd.*' maps. I used yp_order() at first > because it was faster. *sigh* > Will do. I probably wont be able to get to it until Monday, but I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks for your quick response. > -Bill >-- End of excerpt from House of Debuggin' -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that | | whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting | | life. | | - John 3:16 (KJV) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Freeman P. Pascal IV | | | Senior System Administrator | Phone: (510) 645-3454 | | TRW Financial Systems, Inc. | Fax: (510) 645-3069 | | 300 Lakeside Drive | Email: pascal@tfs.com | | Oakland, CA 94612-3540 | | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 17:30:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA26307 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:30:03 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA26295 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:30:01 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA16472; Sat, 17 Jun 95 18:23:04 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506180023.AA16472@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Panics and such To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 18:23:03 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506172353.TAA22074@mail.htp.com> from "dennis" at Jun 17, 95 07:53:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There are WAY too many panics in the BSD code. Somewhere along the line the > reason for a panic has been grossly expanded. I complained to BSDI (the > exact same code is in FreeBSD) when we discovered that an unrecognized ioctl > command to a raw socket will panic the machine. Of course they didn't write > the code..so they had no opinion (another story). Upon examination of the > code, there are many places where panics are used where an informational > display or logging would suffice (like trying to send an invalid ICMP > type...why panic, just don't do it). First off, they did write the code. The code is from CSRG, and the BSDI people are (largely) from CSRG. Second, if you can identify these problems as bug reports, they will be fixed. Third, I wasn't trying to imply that there were *no* gratuitous panics. The context of that posting was a claim that there were *no* panics in a particular OS, which could not be true. > These things really should be scrubbed, eventually. An emphatic YES here. Get them *logged* so we won't forget them! > As for the unrecoverable > stuff, there are machines that will never "panic" (like cisco routers). In > many cases you could just fail the operation or exit context, hoping that no > damage was done. You may just lose a buffer or send out a bogus packet. For > a commercial product, the "appearence" of indescructablity is > important....however if it happens often enough you will have a > non-functioning machine. On the cisco (2501) for example, if you send SABMs > (erroneously) on a serial link that the cisco has configured for frame > relay, you will get no error messages but in a few minutes all of the memory > in the machine will be consumed (probably by lost buffers). There's no panic > or crash, but the persistant problem eventually caused a system failure. The > thought behind it, I guess, is that in UNIX an isolated single event might > cause the system to go down, while on the cisco only 1 buffer would be lost > and the user would never know it. A system failure is a "panic", even if they don't put up the message. It's similar to the debugging philosophy on VMS and DOS, where you can't see the problem until after it has occureered, and then it is too late. A formal panic is a hell of a lot more debuggable than an eventual system crash with no reporting of the trigger situation to lead you back to the root of the problem. Oh, and I can kill a CISCO almost instantly. Just hook it upt to a large Novell network and wait for the SAP traffic to overrun memory. We could achieve the same effect in FreeBSD by changing the message from "PANIC:" to "SYSTEM FAILURE:" and have gained nothing. I'd much rather work to set up for a scrub. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 17:44:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA27846 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:44:44 -0700 Received: from whisker.internet-eireann.ie (whisker.internet-eireann.ie [194.9.34.204]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA27810 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:44:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whisker.internet-eireann.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA04306; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:44:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: whisker.internet-eireann.ie: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panics and such In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:53:36 EDT." <199506172353.TAA22074@mail.htp.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:44:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4303.803436241@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There are WAY too many panics in the BSD code. Somewhere along the line the > reason for a panic has been grossly expanded. I complained to BSDI (the > exact same code is in FreeBSD) when we discovered that an unrecognized ioctl I agree. There's one possible difference between us and BSDI, however, and that's that we cheerfully accept diffs.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 17:50:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28635 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:50:03 -0700 Received: from pluto.ops.NeoSoft.com (root@pluto.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28629 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:50:02 -0700 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com (concorde.NeoSoft.COM [198.65.161.214]) by pluto.ops.NeoSoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA22030 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:49:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:49:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Baker X-Sender: dbaker@concorde.neosoft.com To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hackers -- I'm pretty new at this, but my friend and I are trying to link are two computers togther via a laplink serial cable. I've heard that I can setup my system to be a SLIP server, but it dosen't mention serial connections, and it is designed for the pre 2.0 releases. If anyone could send me instructions on how to setup my computer to be the PPP/SLIP server and how to setup his to connect to mine, and to "work". :-) Thanks a lot! Daniel Baker DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 18:53:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA05146 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:53:35 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA05134 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:53:33 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id VAA09304; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:50:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Daniel Baker cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Daniel Baker wrote: > Hackers -- > > I'm pretty new at this, but my friend and I are trying to link are two > computers togther via a laplink serial cable. I've heard that I can > setup my system to be a SLIP server, but it dosen't mention serial > connections, and it is designed for the pre 2.0 releases. > > If anyone could send me instructions on how to setup my computer to be > the PPP/SLIP server and how to setup his to connect to mine, and to > "work". :-) > Combine the "setup for dial-in" FAQ and the slip-server FAQ, both available on www.freebsd.org and you will be in business. Its not tough at all (or the directions are excellent, or both) -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 19:30:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA10113 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:30:04 -0700 Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (starbase.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA10089 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:30:00 -0700 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com (concorde.NeoSoft.COM [198.65.161.214]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA08318; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:29:43 -0500 X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 968-5800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:29:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Baker X-Sender: dbaker@concorde.neosoft.com To: Network Coordinator cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Network Coordinator wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Daniel Baker wrote: > > > Hackers -- > > > > I'm pretty new at this, but my friend and I are trying to link are two > > computers togther via a laplink serial cable. I've heard that I can > > setup my system to be a SLIP server, but it dosen't mention serial > > connections, and it is designed for the pre 2.0 releases. > > > > If anyone could send me instructions on how to setup my computer to be > > the PPP/SLIP server and how to setup his to connect to mine, and to > > "work". :-) > > > > Combine the "setup for dial-in" FAQ and the slip-server FAQ, both > available on www.freebsd.org and you will be in business. Its not tough > at all (or the directions are excellent, or both) Should I set it up for modem dialin or dumb terminal dialin? The laplink cable will go into my com2/cuaa1 Both machines are FreeBSD boxes. > -Jerry. > > Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 19:39:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA11523 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:39:47 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11512 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:39:46 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA01049; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:37:04 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199506180237.TAA01049@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? To: dbaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM (Daniel Baker) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Baker" at Jun 17, 95 09:29:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1518 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Network Coordinator wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Daniel Baker wrote: > > > > > Hackers -- > > > > > > I'm pretty new at this, but my friend and I are trying to link are two > > > computers togther via a laplink serial cable. I've heard that I can > > > setup my system to be a SLIP server, but it dosen't mention serial > > > connections, and it is designed for the pre 2.0 releases. > > > > > > If anyone could send me instructions on how to setup my computer to be > > > the PPP/SLIP server and how to setup his to connect to mine, and to > > > "work". :-) > > > > > > > Combine the "setup for dial-in" FAQ and the slip-server FAQ, both > > available on www.freebsd.org and you will be in business. Its not tough > > at all (or the directions are excellent, or both) > Should I set it up for modem dialin or dumb terminal dialin? The laplink > cable will go into my com2/cuaa1 with two FreeBSD boxes, use the laplink cable on your parallel port not on a serial port.. then just use 'ifconfig' on the lp0 network device on each machine and assign each an address and set it to point-to-point mode.. after that it should be up and running, and faster than the serial port anyway.. > > Both machines are FreeBSD boxes. > > > -Jerry. > > > > > > Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) > DBaker@NeoSoft.COM > DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM > ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 19:48:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12750 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:48:44 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA12741 for freebsd-hackers; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:48:42 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199506180248.TAA12741@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Strange stuff in /sys/i386/include To: freebsd-hackers Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 19:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 570 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been looking through /sys/i386/include and have seen some files in here I "belive" should be in /sys/i386/isa. These are the following: joystick.h cryonx.h gsc.h mouse.h spigot.h ultrasound.h soundcard.h These files are for drivers that are ISA only. Am I full of it or what? Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 20:16:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA15211 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:16:21 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA15204 ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:16:16 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA00368; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:16:31 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506180316.UAA00368@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Strange stuff in /sys/i386/include To: gclarkii@freefall.cdrom.com (Gary Clark II) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506180248.TAA12741@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Gary Clark II" at Jun 17, 95 07:48:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 612 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > I've been looking through /sys/i386/include and have seen some files in > here I "belive" should be in /sys/i386/isa. These are the following: > joystick.h > cryonx.h > gsc.h > mouse.h > spigot.h > ultrasound.h > soundcard.h > > These files are for drivers that are ISA only. Am I full of it or > what? Your full of it, as these are the interface files for user land code to compile against. They also show up as /usr/include/machine/* -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 20:28:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA16230 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:28:37 -0700 Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (starbase.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16222 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:28:35 -0700 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com (concorde.NeoSoft.COM [198.65.161.214]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA10863; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:28:17 -0500 X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 968-5800 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:28:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Baker X-Sender: dbaker@concorde.neosoft.com To: Julian Elischer cc: nc@ai.net, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] Laplink? Slip or PPP? In-Reply-To: <199506180237.TAA01049@ref.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Network Coordinator wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Daniel Baker wrote: > > > > > > > Hackers -- > > > > > > > > I'm pretty new at this, but my friend and I are trying to link are two > > > > computers togther via a laplink serial cable. I've heard that I can > > > > setup my system to be a SLIP server, but it dosen't mention serial > > > > connections, and it is designed for the pre 2.0 releases. > > > > > > > > If anyone could send me instructions on how to setup my computer to be > > > > the PPP/SLIP server and how to setup his to connect to mine, and to > > > > "work". :-) > > > > > > > > > > Combine the "setup for dial-in" FAQ and the slip-server FAQ, both > > > available on www.freebsd.org and you will be in business. Its not tough > > > at all (or the directions are excellent, or both) > > Should I set it up for modem dialin or dumb terminal dialin? The laplink > > cable will go into my com2/cuaa1 > with two FreeBSD boxes, use the laplink cable on your parallel port > not on a serial port.. > > then just use 'ifconfig' > on the lp0 network device on each machine So I just type in: ifconfig lp0 > and assign each an address and set it to point-to-point mode.. How do I do that? Do I make up an address? Should one be a slip server? Why am I clueless? :-) > after that it should be up and running, and faster than > the serial port anyway.. uh, okay.. I haven't seen the laplink cable, so I didn't know it was parallel. I just thought it was serial. > > > > > > Both machines are FreeBSD boxes. > > > > > -Jerry. > > > > > > > > > > Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) > > DBaker@NeoSoft.COM > > DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM > > ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** > > > > > > Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 20:29:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA16323 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:29:34 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16312 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:29:31 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA17170; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:16:23 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506180146.LAA17170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: too many open files To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:16:23 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199506161653.MAA02959@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at Jun 16, 95 12:53:24 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1531 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mark Hittinger stands accused of saying: > I still wonder if some other parameter is being consumed other that > file descriptors. It would be nice if we could get some sort of "lsof" > port or some system call to spew a list of open file descriptors out > in a readable dump file. fstat will tell you that much. This actually sounds awfully familiar; I blew up a 2.0 box using ncftp (as a user) attempting to mput a fairly large directory (the 2.0.5 src distribution, actually 8) in passive mode to an FTP server that doesn't support passive mode. ncftp not being overly bright tried & failed once for each file; the first many just gave 'passive mode refused' errrors, but then there were some errors being reported by socket() (no free file handles or similar), followed by a trap 12. I thought this was a 2.0 problem, but perhaps its a descriptor leak in the socket routines? > I wonder if his processes cannot exit and release their resources because > of some condition like this. This would just gum things up as more > processes got created. If it's the same problem, then I created it with a single process... > Mark Hittinger -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 21:02:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA18874 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:02:29 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA18854 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:02:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00470 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:05:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199506180405.AAA00470@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.0.5 ed driver problems continued Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:05:09 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I think I spoke to soon when I said ``I can install in NE2000 mode'' earlier. I can't. I have been able to install in WD8013 mode *once*. But, I had diddled everything around, so I deleted that install, and tried again. Bad Move. I've been at this for several hours now and it is getting both frustrating and confusing. Especially the frustrating part, since 2.0R went much easier... Sigh. The summary of my problem is that I get ``ed0 timeouts'' nomatter what combination of userconfig and boardsetups I do. Usually, after this happens, the board has gotten set back into NE2000 mode. Why is this so hard? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 17 23:55:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA04265 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:55:40 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA04258 ; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:55:27 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA17636; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:48:58 +1000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:48:58 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506180648.QAA17636@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, gclarkii@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Strange stuff in /sys/i386/include Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've been looking through /sys/i386/include and have seen some files in >here I "belive" should be in /sys/i386/isa. These are the following: >joystick.h >cryonx.h >gsc.h >mouse.h >spigot.h >ultrasound.h >soundcard.h >These files are for drivers that are ISA only. Am I full of it or >what? These files are the external interfaces for devices that currently only exist for or are only supported for the isa bus. They should have no (externally visible) i386, isa or driver dependencies. OTOH, at least some of the files are too special or too sloppy to belong in /sys/sys. sys/i386/include is as good a place for any for them. Bruce