From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 00:16:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA18593 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:16:25 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA18588 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:16:20 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Sun, 19 Nov 95 08:16 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA21987; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:10:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199511190810.JAA21987@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: linux' mknod and named pipes. To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:10:45 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511190149.RAA00825@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Nov 18, 95 05:49:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 362 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman writes: > > >I'd prefer rolling the code together and replacing mkfifo(2) with > >mkfifo(3) that calls mknod(2). POSIXism's (which is what the mkfifo(2) > > The problem I have with this is that mknod() will be going away in the > future (think devfs). The function may go away. How are you going to address the issue of portability? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 00:43:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA19181 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:43:08 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19176 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:41:44 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA28132; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:35:21 +1100 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:35:21 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511190835.TAA28132@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> typedef struct { >> __type_whose_alignment_requirement_i_maximal_t _jb0; >> char _jb1[_NOT_QUITE_THE_FULL_SIZEOF_JMP_BUF]; >> } jmp_buf[1]; >I don't understand the significance of the type (__type_whose..imal_t) for >_jb0 vs char for _jb1. How is this different to >typedef struct { > char _jb0[_THE_FULL_SIZEOF_JMP_BUF]; >} jmp_buf[1]; The latter is only guaranteed to be aligned on 1-byte boundaries. >And if the whole struct should be declared in a machine dependent file, what >would prevent us from defining the structure from what it contains >typedef struct { > long reg_edx; > long reg_ebx; > long reg_esp; > : > : >} jmp_buf[1]; >I guess the answer to this is that it is supposed to be opaque, but in my >case I have to manually setup a jmp_buf for each user-space thread and I'd >like a clean way of accessing the structure. Any ideas? It's supposed to be opaque to stop that :-). You should copy setjmp.S and adapt it. Note that it isn't possible to do preemptive context switching for threads using only setjmp() - setjmp() doesn't preserve all of the floating point state in FreeBSD. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 00:51:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA19432 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:51:04 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19404 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:50:56 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02859; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:53 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA23001; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:52 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29413; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:45:11 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511190845.JAA29413@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ranlib and ar broken (they arent) To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:45:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511182218.RAA01706@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Nov 18, 95 05:18:37 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 823 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Charles Henrich wrote: > > 1 drwxrwxr-x 4 4294961071 4294967294 512 Aug 30 15:24 old_news/ > > A chown root.wheel old_news produces: > > 5:17pm dev1 [ROOT] chown root.wheel old_news > chown: old_news: File too large uriah # mkdir foo uriah # chown 4294961071:4294967294 foo uriah # ls -ld foo drwxr-xr-x 2 4294961071 4294967294 512 Nov 19 09:41 foo/ uriah # chown root:wheel foo uriah # ls -ld foo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 19 09:41 foo/ uriah # exit ??? Is the above line the output of an ls -ldi? In this case, i'm curious about the leading `1'. i-node 1 is reserved and never allocated (i-node 2 is the root dir of a file system). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 01:29:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA20746 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:29:54 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA20739 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:29:47 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA03266 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:29:38 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA23084 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:29:38 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29625 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:21:46 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511190921.KAA29625@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: linux' mknod and named pipes. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:21:45 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511190810.JAA21987@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 19, 95 09:10:45 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 415 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: > > > The problem I have with this is that mknod() will be going away in the > > future (think devfs). > > The function may go away. How are you going to address the issue of > portability? mknod's are inherently unportable. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 01:30:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA20788 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:30:13 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA20744 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:29:51 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA03262; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:29:37 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA23083; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:29:35 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29641; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:27:00 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511190927.KAA29641@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: scrappy@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:27:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Nov 19, 95 01:33:55 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1229 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Either I'm missing something really simple, or its missing... > > ...but this OS does not have a utility that will allow one > to add a new drive onto an existing system. > > I've looked at 'man -k disk', and about the only things I > find are 'fdisk' and 'disklabel'...neither of which helps in anyway. That's basically what you need to add a new disk, yes. Perhaps also an editor for /etc/fstab. Arguably, the user interface is terrible, but you can hardly claim it's not there. (Indeed, that's what everybody else is using, or don't you think we have to add a disk ourselves ervery now and then?) If you feel inspired, take the libdisk (/usr/src/release/libdisk), have a look at the tst01.c program there (a demonstration, basically the same like the wizard mode in sysinstall), and wrap a nice front- end around it. Don't forget to put a BSD-like Copyright on top, and contribute us your code. That's how this system is actually evolving... You can also pay somebody for making it. This would accelerate the process. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 01:49:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA21368 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:49:46 -0800 Received: from knobel.gun.de (knobel-ip.gun.de [192.109.159.141]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21343 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:49:30 -0800 Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05931; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:02:13 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:02:13 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Ollivier Robert cc: jkh@freebsd.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: knews-0.9.3 ported - really, an amazing X11 Newsreader with , graphical threads In-Reply-To: <199511190024.BAA01852@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: Sounds very good what you are telling about Newsview. I'll give it a try, if it's available. > I've tried knews; it is much better than Xrn (i.e. it has threads > unlike Xrn) but I think the graphical part is poor. Nevertheless, it does it's job. And the color stuff for "hot" articles is very clever, too. Just for now it's the best newsreader I ever saw. Might be the case that Newsview is really better, ok, then I'd switch to it. But knews is available now, Newsview not. Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 01:50:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA21459 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:50:31 -0800 Received: from knobel.gun.de (knobel-ip.gun.de [192.109.159.141]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21449 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:50:17 -0800 Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00486; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:46:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:46:37 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Joerg Wunsch cc: jkh@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: knews-0.9.3 ported - really, an amazing X11 Newsreader with , graphical threads In-Reply-To: <199511181824.TAA23790@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > I put the source, the port and the tarballs into the incoming > > directory on ftp.freebsd.org: > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 ftp daemon 66 Nov 18 16:38 knews-0.9.3-port.tgz > > Hmm, this file actually consists only of the ZIP file header. :-( Ummm, sorry ! 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Kukulies" Message-Id: <199511191026.LAA02720@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: another supserver available Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk A supserver is now running on blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.31.18) which sups -current and ports and supports 10 max connections at present. sup update-all runs at 5:00 and 17:00 (MET). I have put up a standard-supfile in ftp://gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/FreeBSD/sup/standard-supfile ftp://gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/FreeBSD/sup/ports-supfile (note the different host). During a test phase I will watch how the 486/DX2-66/32MB copes with the load and take measures in the appropriate direction to keep this service available and usable to the public. In case of any problems please send me an email. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 06:25:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA04245 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:25:29 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA04239 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:25:26 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Sun, 19 Nov 95 14:25 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA00236; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:05:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199511191405.PAA00236@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: elm problem - "solved" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:05:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511182128.OAA09626@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 18, 95 02:28:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 671 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > > Why not use an aternate call table ala execution class for ABI support > > > for IBCS2, Linux, etc.? > > > > How are you going to distinguish between the objects? In the case of > > ibcs2 and Linux, the object files have different magic. Not so in the > > case of old BSD objects. > > By the crt0.o instruction differences for getenv(), and for BSDI, for > dlopen. > > Yes, I know this is voodoo, but it will work. The magic number just > got bigger is all. It's not voodoo, it's grotesque. Every time you change crt0.o, you need to change your object file recognition routines? What do you do if you're playing with crt0.o? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 06:26:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA04283 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:26:35 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA04275 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:26:30 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Sun, 19 Nov 95 14:25 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA00313 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:21:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199511191421.PAA00313@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Question (or complaint) about sup To: scrappy@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:20:58 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Nov 18, 95 07:32:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1481 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Marc G. Fournier writes: > > Someone just told me about what sup is all about, and how to > use it, and whatnot...but it seems that some parts rely on other > parts, some of which I'd rather not make use of... > > I know, kinda vague. For example, /usr/src/lib/libncurses > is 1.8.6...from 1994. I'm on the ncurses mailing list, and the > ncurses I have on the system right now is 1.9.8 (1.9.7a + a bunch of > patches). I dont' want to do a 'make world' and have my ncurses > replaced... > > ...similar with sendmail and any other software that I've > already got newer versions of installed... > > I don't assume that make world is smart enough to know the > difference in version numbers, or anything like that, so assume that > it will wipe out all I've brought over in favor of what it thinks is > the "new stuff"? Well, sup doesn't give you the latest stuff unless you ask for it. It all depends on what you check out with CVS. I still have a problem, though. make world does too much: it removes everything I had there before, and it *installs* it on the machine. What we need is a target that doesn't do either of them. Also, it relies on the current machine configuration. For example, while playing around yesterday I blew my /usr/lib/libc.so.2.2. make world makes the libraries first, so by the time it blew up it already had its own, new /usr/src/lib/libc/obj/libc.so.2.2, but it wanted to use the version in /usr/lib. I think this is broken. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 09:30:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA13482 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:30:48 -0800 Received: from hub.org (root@hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA13473 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:30:33 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA01194; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:29:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:29:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-Reply-To: <199511190927.KAA29641@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > Either I'm missing something really simple, or its missing... > > > > ...but this OS does not have a utility that will allow one > > to add a new drive onto an existing system. > > > > I've looked at 'man -k disk', and about the only things I > > find are 'fdisk' and 'disklabel'...neither of which helps in anyway. > > That's basically what you need to add a new disk, yes. Perhaps also > an editor for /etc/fstab. > > Arguably, the user interface is terrible, but you can hardly claim > it's not there. (Indeed, that's what everybody else is using, or > don't you think we have to add a disk ourselves ervery now and then?) > Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit to an install in order for it to add your drive... ...and, as to "what everybody else is using"...as you mention below...how many ppl know about the "wizard" mode that is in 2.0.5's sysinstall? I found out about it in IRC last night, chatting with Gary and a few others... Kudos to those that have written sysinstall to date, in putting a "Write" function in 2.1's sysinstall, at least that helps a bit...but still, it would be so much nicer to pull the Fdisk/Label Editor out of the install phase and add it in (duplicate it, in fact) in the main menu. I don't know what is being designed, but what I also foudn out last night is that sysinstall will soon be no more, as it is (to my understanding) growing to be a mess to maintain. > If you feel inspired, take the libdisk (/usr/src/release/libdisk), > have a look at the tst01.c program there (a demonstration, basically > the same like the wizard mode in sysinstall), and wrap a nice front- > end around it. Don't forget to put a BSD-like Copyright on top, and > contribute us your code. That's how this system is actually > evolving... > I'll try... Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 10:32:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA16030 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:32:26 -0800 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16023 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:32:24 -0800 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA06375; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 13:29:22 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199511191829.NAA06375@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: ranlib and ar broken (they arent) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 13:29:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511190845.JAA29413@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 19, 95 09:45:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 266 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is the above line the output of an ls -ldi? In this case, i'm curious Its output from ls -AFsld The 1 is the size in blocks -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 11:32:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA18441 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:32:29 -0800 Received: from rocco.nebula.org (chris@rocco.nebula.org [206.106.134.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA18435 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:32:27 -0800 Received: (from chris@localhost) by rocco.nebula.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA15441; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:31:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris Gann (sysop)" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Future Domain TMC-885 SCSI Controller?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I need some help getting the card in the subject line to work for me on my FreeBSD box. I'm using the 2.1.0 Release code downloaded last night from ftp.cdrom.com. I just wanted to know if there was something that I may be overlooking, or if it's my lack of sleep that's the driving force behind my ignorance! Thanks in advance, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Gann - Network Manager - Artwear, Ltd. - Keene, New Hampshire chris@nebula.net - http://www.nebula.net/ (add ~chris for my home page) +1-603-355-1359 - For information, send e-mail to info@nebula.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 13:25:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA28696 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 13:25:47 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA28678 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 13:25:39 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA03081; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:27:49 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA06183 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:27:47 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA29710 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:54:27 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA00958; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:00:18 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199511191900.UAA00958@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: comments on SCSI doc To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:00:17 +0100 (MET) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Nov 17, 95 09:58:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 606 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > I'd like to fix a few thing in this.. > > (the one in the handbook reached from www.freebsd.org) > [del] > You should first contact the original author of the SCSI section about > changes. Please feel free to add or fix the stuff that I wrote! Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 14:48:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA06646 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:48:18 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA06637 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:48:15 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA01724; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:45:58 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511192245.PAA01724@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: DELAY's in syscons To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:45:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au, terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511190629.RAA22981@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 19, 95 05:29:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2738 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> Time to scream about high resoloution kernel timers once again? A nice > >> reschedulable one-shot HRT interface would fix DELAY right up. There > >> are only *minor* kernel preemption issues involved. > > >What are the issues about getting better time resolution in general from the > >kernel? With process control software (that is threaded) running flat out in > >memory (no disk or network I/O), we notice the timer resolution. > > >We'd also like a better nanosleep than we get using select. Is nanosleep > >something you'd implement with your "reschedulable one-shot HRT interface"? > > Timer resolution is fine, but select() and usleep() and anything else > that depends on the scheduling clock for wakeups is limited to at most > the resolution of the scheduling clock (1/hz seconds). One shot timers > could be used to improve the select() resolution. They would not be > easy to implement without reducing the accuracy of the kernel time. > They would not help fix DELAY() because DELAY() isn't allowed to sleep. > They might help avoid abuses of DELAY(). They could be used to improve > the resolution of timeout() and tsleep() in the same way as for select(). > Note that only minimum timeouts can be guaranteed. Actually this limitation on what can be guaranteed is *precisely* what I meant when I said "*minor* kernel preemption issues involved". The limit on the guarantee is made by a process being preemptible only at certain times, which means timeout()/tsleep() queues are examined 0 to "ticks per quantum minux one" number of ticks *after* the even. If the event caused a preemption, then the problem would be solved. This assumes that: (1) code calling an HRT is never reentered while the HRT is sleeping (simple to guarantee with a spinlock on the system making the call), and (2) the HRT events are serviced as if they are interrupts. Layering the timeout()/tsleep() on top of the HRT services would be as easy as establishing a queue of events, and queueing the event to be serviced at the normal context switch time instead of as if it were an interrupt. For conflicting events,the one-shot is a countdown, and the event can be converted into a buzz-loop (per "DELAY") or blocked from scheduling (otherwise you get into issues of "deadlining". The first application of such timer services would be to replace spinning in DELAY()'s and thereby increase overall concurrency. The second would be to move some of the rather tight secheduling constraints for things like the "ft" driver into the kernel and throw away the "ft" utility in user space. Etc... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 14:49:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA06731 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:49:01 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA06719 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:48:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03586; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:48:47 -0800 To: announce@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:48:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3584.816821326@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Could it be? Could the long-awaited release of FreeBSD 2.1 truly have arrived? It gives me great pleasure to answer those questions with a "yes!" FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE is now available on ftp.freebsd.org and various FTP mirror sites throughout the world. It can also be ordered on CD from Walnut Creek CDROM, from where it will be shipping shortly. FreeBSD 2.1 represents the culmination of 6 months worth of work on the 2.1-STABLE branch of FreeBSD since the previous release (FreeBSD 2.0.5). The STABLE branch was conceived out of the need to allow FreeBSD to grow and support long-term development projects like devfs, NFSv3, IPX, PCCARD, etc. while at the same time not jeopardizing the stability of its existing user base. Experimental or high-impact changes are allowed into FreeBSD-current, which represents a sort of shared group development tree, and only well tested or obvious fixes are allowed into STABLE. In a few rare cases, where some bit of functionality was entirely missing before, we've supplied an ALPHA test quality version in STABLE on the premise that some functionality is better than none at all (a good example being the IDE CDROM driver). For more information on the 2.1 release itself, please consult the documentation that accompanies the installation procedure. Jordan --- The official sources for FreeBSD are available via anonymous FTP from: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD And on CD-ROM from Walnut Creek CDROM: Walnut Creek CDROM 4041 Pike Lane, #D Concord CA, 94520 USA Phone: +1 510 674-0783 Fax: +1 510 674-0821 Tech Support: +1 510 603-1234 Email: info@cdrom.com WWW: http://www.cdrom.com/ Additionally, FreeBSD is available via anonymous FTP from the following mirror sites. 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Since our release of FreeBSD 2.0 over a year ago, the performance, feature set and stability of FreeBSD has improved dramatically. The largest change is a revamped VM system with a merged VM/file buffer cache that not only increases performance but reduces FreeBSD's memory footprint, making a 5MB configuration a more acceptable minimum. Other enhancements include full NIS client and server support, transaction TCP support, dial-on-demand PPP, an improved SCSI subsystem, early ISDN support, support for FDDI and Fast Ethernet (100Mbit) adapters, improved support for the Adaptec 2940 (WIDE and narrow) and 3940 SCSI adaptors along with many hundreds of bug fixes. We've also taken the comments and suggestions of many of our users to heart and have attempted to provide what we hope is a more sane and easily understood installation process. Your feedback on this (constantly evolving) process is especially welcome! In addition to the base distributions, FreeBSD offers a new ported software collection with over 350 commonly sought-after programs. The list of ports ranges from http (WWW) servers, to games, languages, editors and almost everything in between. The entire ports collection requires only 10MB of storage, all ports being expressed as "deltas" to their original sources. This makes it much easier for us to update ports and greatly reduces the disk space demands made by the ports collection. To compile a port, you simply change to the directory of the program you wish to install, type make and let the system do the rest. The full original distribution for each port you build is retrieved dynamically off of CDROM or a local ftp site, so you need only enough disk space to build the ports you want. (Almost) every port is also provided as a pre-compiled "package" which can be installed with a simple command (pkg_add). See also the new Packages option in the Configuration menu for an especially convenient interface to the package collection. A number of additional documents which you may find helpful in the process of installing and using FreeBSD may now also be found in the /usr/share/doc directory. You may view the manuals with any HTML capable browser by saying: To read the handbook: file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html To read the FAQ: file:/usr/share/doc/FAQ/freebsd-faq.html You can also visit the master (and most frequently updated) copies at http://www.freebsd.org. The core of FreeBSD does not contain DES code which would inhibit its being exported outside the United States. There is an add-on package to the core distribution, for use only in the United States, that contains the programs that normally use DES. The auxiliary packages provided separately can be used by anyone. A freely (from outside the U.S.) exportable distribution of DES for our non-U.S. users also exists at ftp://ftp.internat.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD. If password security for FreeBSD is all you need and you have no requirement for copying encrypted passwords from different hosts (Suns, DEC machines, etc) into FreeBSD password entries, then FreeBSD's MD5 based security may be all you require! We feel that our default security model is more than a match for DES, and without any messy export issues to deal with. If you're outside (or even inside) the U.S., give it a try! Supported Configurations ------------------------ FreeBSD currently runs on a wide variety of ISA, VLB, EISA and PCI bus based PC's, ranging from 386sx to Pentium class machines (though the 386sx is not recommended). Support for generic IDE or ESDI drive configurations, various SCSI controller, network and serial cards is also provided. What follows is a list of all disk controllers and ethernet cards currently known to work with FreeBSD. Other configurations may also work, but we have simply not received any confirmation of this. Disk Controllers ---------------- WD1003 (any generic MFM/RLL) WD1007 (any generic IDE/ESDI) IDE ATA Adaptec 152x series ISA SCSI controllers Adaptec 154x series ISA SCSI controllers Adaptec 174x series EISA SCSI controller in standard and enhanced mode. Adaptec 274X/284X/2940/3940 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series ISA/EISA/PCI SCSI controllers. Adaptec AIC-6260 and AIC-6360 based boards, which includes the AHA-152x and SoundBlaster SCSI cards. ** Note: You cannot boot from the SoundBlaster cards as they have no on-board BIOS, such being necessary for mapping the boot device into the system BIOS I/O vectors. They're perfectly usable for external tapes, CDROMs, etc, however. The same goes for any other AIC-6x60 based card without a boot ROM. Some systems DO have a boot ROM, which is generally indicated by some sort of message when the system is first powered up or reset, and in such cases you *will* also be able to boot from them. Check your system/board documentation for more details. [Note that Buslogic was formerly known as "Bustek"] Buslogic 545S & 545c Buslogic 445S/445c VLB SCSI controller Buslogic 742A, 747S, 747c EISA SCSI controller. Buslogic 946c PCI SCSI controller Buslogic 956c PCI SCSI controller NCR 53C810/15/25/60/75 PCI SCSI controller. NCR5380/NCR53400 ("ProAudio Spectrum") SCSI controller. DTC 3290 EISA SCSI controller in 1542 emulation mode. UltraStor 14F, 24F and 34F SCSI controllers. Seagate ST01/02 SCSI controllers. Future Domain 8xx/950 series SCSI controllers. WD7000 SCSI controller. With all supported SCSI controllers, full support is provided for SCSI-I & SCSI-II peripherals, including Disks, tape drives (including DAT) and CD ROM drives. The following CD-ROM type systems are supported at this time: (cd) SCSI interface (also includes ProAudio Spectrum and SoundBlaster SCSI) (mcd) Mitsumi proprietary interface (all models) (matcd) Matsushita/Panasonic (Creative SoundBlaster) proprietary interface (562/563 models) (scd) Sony proprietary interface (all models) (wcd) ATAPI IDE interface (experimental and should be considered ALPHA quality!). Ethernet cards -------------- Allied-Telesis AT1700 and RE2000 cards SMC Elite 16 WD8013 ethernet interface, and most other WD8003E, WD8003EBT, WD8003W, WD8013W, WD8003S, WD8003SBT and WD8013EBT based clones. SMC Elite Ultra is also supported. DEC EtherWORKS III NICs (DE203, DE204, and DE205) DEC EtherWORKS II NICs (DE200, DE201, DE202, and DE422) DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) DEC FDDI (DEFPA/DEFEA) NICs Fujitsu FMV-181 and FMV-182 Intel EtherExpress Isolan AT 4141-0 (16 bit) Isolink 4110 (8 bit) Novell NE1000, NE2000, and NE2100 ethernet interface. 3Com 3C501 cards 3Com 3C503 Etherlink II 3Com 3c505 Etherlink/+ 3Com 3C507 Etherlink 16/TP 3Com 3C509, 3C579, 3C589 (PCMCIA) Etherlink III Toshiba ethernet cards PCMCIA ethernet cards from IBM and National Semiconductor are also supported. Note that NO token ring cards are supported at this time as we're still waiting for someone to donate a driver for one of them. Any takers? Misc Hardware ------------- AST 4 port serial card using shared IRQ. ARNET 8 port serial card using shared IRQ. BOCA ATIO66 6 port serial card using shared IRQ. Cyclades Cyclom-y Serial Board. STB 4 port card using shared IRQ. SDL Communications Riscom/8 Serial Board. Adlib, SoundBlaster, SoundBlaster Pro, ProAudioSpectrum, Gravis UltraSound and Roland MPU-401 sound cards. FreeBSD currently does NOT support IBM's microchannel (MCA) bus. --- Reporting problems, making suggestions and submitting code: =========================================================== Your suggestions, bug reports and contributions of code are always valued - please do not hesitate to report any problems you may find (preferably with a fix attached, if you can!). The preferred method to submit bug reports from a machine with internet mail connectivity is to use the send-pr command. Bug reports will be dutifully filed by our faithful bugfiler program and you can be sure that we'll do our best to respond to all reported bugs as soon as possible. Bugs filed in this way are also visible on our WEB site in the support section and are therefore valuable both as bug reports and as "signposts" for other users concerning potential problems to watch out for. If, for some reason, you are unable to use the send-pr command to submit a bug report, you can try to send it to: bugs@FreeBSD.org Otherwise, for any questions or suggestions, please send mail to: questions@FreeBSD.org Additionally, being a volunteer effort, we are always happy to have extra hands willing to help - there are already far more desired enhancements than we'll ever be able to manage by ourselves! To contact us on technical matters, or with offers of help, please send mail to: hackers@FreeBSD.org Please note that these mailing lists can experience *significant* amounts of traffic and if you have slow or expensive mail access and are only interested in keeping up with significant FreeBSD events, you may find it preferable to subscribe instead to: announce@FreeBSD.org Any of the groups can be freely joined by anyone wishing to do so. Send mail to MajorDomo@FreeBSD.org and include the keyword `help' on a line by itself somewhere in the body of the message. This will give you more information on joining the various lists, accessing archives, etc. There are a number of mailing lists targeted at special interest groups not mentioned here, so send mail to majordomo and ask about them! 6. Acknowledgements ------------------- FreeBSD represents the cumulative work of many dozens, if not hundreds, of individuals from around the world who have worked very hard to bring you this release. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to enumerate everyone who's contributed to FreeBSD, but nonetheless we shall try (in alphabetical order, of course). If you've contributed something substantive to us and your name is not mentioned here, please be assured that its omission is entirely accidental. Please contact hackers@FreeBSD.org for any desired updates to the lists that follow: The Computer Systems Research Group (CSRG), U.C. Berkeley. Bill Jolitz, for his initial work with 386BSD. The FreeBSD Core Team (in alphabetical order by first name): Andrey A. Chernov Bruce Evans David Greenman Garrett A. Wollman Gary Palmer Jörg Wunsch John Dyson Jordan K. Hubbard Justin Gibbs Peter Wemm Poul-Henning Kamp Rich Murphey Satoshi Asami Søren Schmidt Special mention to: Walnut Creek CDROM, without whose help (and continuing support) this release would never have been possible. Dermot McDonnell for his donation of a Toshiba XM3401B CDROM drive. Additional FreeBSD helpers and beta testers: Atsushi Murai Coranth Gryphon Dave Rivers Frank Durda IV Guido van Rooij Jeffrey Hsu John Hay Julian Elischer Kaleb S. Keithley Michael Smith Nate Williams Peter Dufault Rod Grimes Scott Mace Stefan Esser Steven Wallace Terry Lambert Wolfram Schneider And everyone at Montana State University for their initial support. And to the many thousands of FreeBSD users and testers all over the world without whom this release simply would not have been possible. We sincerely hope you enjoy this release of FreeBSD! The FreeBSD Core Team From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 14:58:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA07770 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:58:35 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07731 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:58:11 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA01747; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:56:14 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511192256.PAA01747@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: elm problem - "solved" To: grog@lemis.de Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:56:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511191405.PAA00236@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 19, 95 03:05:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1637 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It's not voodoo, it's grotesque. Every time you change crt0.o, you > need to change your object file recognition routines? What do you do > if you're playing with crt0.o? Well, if you are smart, you aren't in this position in the first place because you picked a different magic number when you changed the ABI that the binaries use. If you're not smart, then you become grotesque as a damage control mechanism. In point of fact, what you'd probably do is use the magic number to select a binary loader and have it call a subloader based on the "rules" for binary compatability. Then everything else falls into the default loader. This means that you only vary the recognition routines once: for backward compatability, which by definition won't have anything to do with evolving the interface. Then if you change the ABI in the future, use a different magic number or risk being labelled and idiot and having to repeat the process for the now static pre-ABI-rev formats. Do you want to be able to run the binaries, as "grotesque" as you have to be to do so, or do you want to be "pure" and be unable to run anything? ABI is a question of expediency in the first place, since it means you are either too lazy or simply unable to evangelize people into porting to your platform and/or cinvinve customers with older platforms to buy all new software when switching. I think the answer as to "what should be done once you have already decided to be expedient anyway?" is pretty obvious. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 15:34:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA11807 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:34:28 -0800 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11780 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:34:19 -0800 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08276 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:34:18 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199511192334.SAA08276@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:34:18 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 203 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There are currently 403 users out of 400 possible. Explain that! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 15:51:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA12958 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:51:41 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12951 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:51:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03879; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:51:25 -0800 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:34:18 EST." <199511192334.SAA08276@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:51:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3877.816825084@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Magic! Or a race condition. :) > There are currently 403 users out of 400 possible. > > Explain that! > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 15:53:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA13173 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:53:07 -0800 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13164 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:53:03 -0800 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08386; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:52:54 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199511192352.SAA08386@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3877.816825084@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 19, 95 03:51:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 237 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Magic! > > Or a race condition. :) :) How hard does FreeBSD page when its loaded at 400+ users? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 16:02:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA14150 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:02:43 -0800 Received: from falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au (falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au [147.109.1.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14133 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:02:23 -0800 Received: from sdd.pacit.tas.gov.au (sdd.pacit.tas.gov.AU [147.109.2.93]) by falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25398 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:09:43 +1100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:09:43 +1100 Message-Id: <199511200009.LAA25398@falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au> X-Sender: sdd@falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Scott Donovan Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Could it be? Could the long-awaited release of FreeBSD 2.1 truly have >arrived? > >It gives me great pleasure to answer those questions with a "yes!" I don't believe you.. Good work to all the team! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 16:10:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA14817 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:10:38 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14810 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:10:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03961; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:10:12 -0800 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:52:53 EST." <199511192352.SAA08386@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:10:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3959.816826212@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Magic! > > > > Or a race condition. :) > > :) How hard does FreeBSD page when its loaded at 400+ users? I assume you mean "400 ftp users." It's pretty busy. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 16:22:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA15800 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:22:00 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA15779 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:21:50 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA22133; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:21:39 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA03997; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:21:39 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA14638; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:03:58 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511200003.BAA14638@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: scrappy@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:03:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Nov 19, 95 12:29:20 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1089 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > I've looked at 'man -k disk', and about the only things I > > > find are 'fdisk' and 'disklabel'...neither of which helps in anyway. > > > > That's basically what you need to add a new disk, yes. Perhaps also > > an editor for /etc/fstab. > > > > Arguably, the user interface is terrible, but you can hardly claim > > it's not there. (Indeed, that's what everybody else is using, or > > don't you think we have to add a disk ourselves ervery now and then?) > > > > Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't > hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit > to an install in order for it to add your drive... You misunderstood: i meant the user interface of fdisk(8)/ disklabel(8). sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a fresh installation... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 16:27:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA16295 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:27:19 -0800 Received: from werple.net.au (0@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA16287 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:27:16 -0800 Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id LAA25969 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:05:37 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199511200005.LAA25969@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA14860; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:08:52 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: bde@zeta.org.au Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:08:52 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >>typedef struct { >> char _jb0[_THE_FULL_SIZEOF_JMP_BUF]; >>} jmp_buf[1]; > >The latter is only guaranteed to be aligned on 1-byte boundaries. And it needs to be aligned so that the asm code can access it? >It's supposed to be opaque to stop that :-). Or was it opaque 'cause the only thing that accessed it was asm code which couldn't use a structure anyway? Would it be evil if it were _not_ opaque under FreeBSD? >You should copy setjmp.S >and adapt it. Note that it isn't possible to do preemptive context >switching for threads using only setjmp() - setjmp() doesn't preserve >all of the floating point state in FreeBSD. I don't agree with this. gcc under FreeBSD appears to re-load floating point "registers" after a function call (like setjmp). This means that setjmp/longjmp don't need to save the floating point state. When a signal occurs, though, the floating point state is not saved. [We think it should be saved. Is there anything that says that floating point calculations in a signal handler can ruin your whole day?! 8-)]. This is true of FreeBSD and NetBSD/i386, but it is _not_ true of NetBSD/Alpha which saves floating point registers routinely. Preemptive context switching in user-space threads under FreeBSD needs to save the floating point state when entering the scheduler from the signal handler. Before calling sigreturn to re-start an interrupted thread (as opposed to one that was simply context switched using setjmp), the floating point state is restored. This means that the behavio[u]r of a signal handler under a threaded program will not corrupt the floating point state of a program as it will with a non-threaded program. > >Bruce -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 17:06:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA20142 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:06:55 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA20132 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:06:50 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA17783; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:00:36 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511200100.BAA17783@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: worperfect again... To: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:00:36 +0000 () Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511161814.MAA21140@jake.lodgenet.com> from "Eric L. Hernes" at Nov 16, 95 12:14:13 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1248 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Eric L. Hernes stands accused of saying: > >No matter what I do on stable I can't get wordperfect to work. > >I am running stable .... Anyone out there can you run > >wordperfect in current or stable?? > > How did you get past ``/dev/X0R: No such file or directory''? > I tried `ln -s /dev/null /dev/X0R', which gets me to the point > you're at now. setenv DISPLAY 10.0.2.3:0.0 (or whatever your IP is) > from the cdevsw[] in conf.c > { nxopen, nxclose, nxread, nxwrite, /*41*/ > nxioctl, nxstop, nullreset, nxdevtotty,/* was socksy > s */ > > it appears that /dev/socksys is deprecated, maybe. also there's an > #ifdef SOCKSYS_HACK in the ibcs2 sources, which doesn't seem to make > a difference. ;( There's some socksys stuff in the ibcs2 code in -current, but the same result occurs. > erich@lodgenet.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" -Terry Lambert UNIX: live FreeBSD or die! [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 18:30:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA28610 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:30:58 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA28588 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:30:46 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA25799; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:24:24 +1100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:24:24 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511200224.NAA25799@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>typedef struct { >>> char _jb0[_THE_FULL_SIZEOF_JMP_BUF]; >>>} jmp_buf[1]; >> >>The latter is only guaranteed to be aligned on 1-byte boundaries. >And it needs to be aligned so that the asm code can access it? Only so that it can be accessed fast. Unless the process enables alignment checking by setting PSL_AC in %ef. >>It's supposed to be opaque to stop that :-). >Or was it opaque 'cause the only thing that accessed it was asm code which >couldn't use a structure anyway? I originally made it opaque to detect (at compile time) anything that was accessing it directly so that such things could be updated to match some changes to the asm code. No such things were found. >Would it be evil if it were _not_ opaque under FreeBSD? It would require more support (something like sys/i386/i386/genassym.c to keep the asm offsets in sync with the C offsets). >>You should copy setjmp.S >>and adapt it. Note that it isn't possible to do preemptive context >>switching for threads using only setjmp() - setjmp() doesn't preserve >>all of the floating point state in FreeBSD. >I don't agree with this. gcc under FreeBSD appears to re-load floating point >"registers" after a function call (like setjmp). This means that setjmp/longjmp >don't need to save the floating point state. gcc only guarantees/requires that the floating point stack is empty before and after function calls (except for functions that return double, the value is returned on the FP stack) and that the FP control word is preserved across function calls. FreeBSD's setjmp/longjmp does the minimum amount of work required to preserve just this much of the FP state. >When a signal occurs, though, the floating point state is not saved. [We think >it should be saved. Is there anything that says that floating point >calculations in a signal handler can ruin your whole day?! 8-)]. This is >true of FreeBSD and NetBSD/i386, but it is _not_ true of NetBSD/Alpha which >saves floating point registers routinely. POSIX.1 (3.3.1.3(3)(b)) seems to require saving the FP state although ANSI C doesn't. Saving the state would mainly slow down signal handling. The original state would have to be saved in `struct sigcontext' for _all_ signals and restored after each sigreturn(). SIGFPE and context-swiitching SIG*ALRM handlers would have to do a little more work to get at the original state. longjmp() would still have to restore the FP control word on the i386 (the kernel can't resonably know what the process's normal FP control word is so it would have to supply a fixed default for signal handlers (the same one that it provided at exec time). longjmp() can't just accept this default because the process might have changed the control word). >Preemptive context switching in user-space threads under FreeBSD needs to >save the floating point state when entering the scheduler from the signal >handler. Before calling sigreturn to re-start an interrupted thread (as >opposed to one that was simply context switched using setjmp), the floating >point state is restored. This means that the behavio[u]r of a signal handler >under a threaded program will not corrupt the floating point state of a >program as it will with a non-threaded program. You'll have to worry about the i387 (separate) coprocessor bug as in the kernel: fnsave/frstor may trigger an FPU trap that is not supposed to occur until the next _non control_ FPU instruction. The kernel protects itself by masking the traps until user mode is resumed, but the transparency of the context switch is lost. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 18:36:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA29165 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:36:56 -0800 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA29156 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:36:51 -0800 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA08826; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:36:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:36:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu To: Joerg Wunsch cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-Reply-To: <199511190927.KAA29641@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > ...but this OS does not have a utility that will allow one > > to add a new drive onto an existing system. > > > > I've looked at 'man -k disk', and about the only things I > > find are 'fdisk' and 'disklabel'...neither of which helps in anyway. > > That's basically what you need to add a new disk, yes. Perhaps also > an editor for /etc/fstab. > > Arguably, the user interface is terrible, but you can hardly claim > it's not there. Depending on where you sit on the novice to wizard continum, a terrible interface == no interface. For bringing a new disk online, I'd say that the point is way too far toward the wizard end. Even for fairly seasoned FreeBSD users, this can be a frustrating experience. "How do I add a second disk" probably ranks in the to 10 frequently asked questions. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 18:39:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA29339 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:39:04 -0800 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA29327 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:38:58 -0800 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA08833; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:38:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu To: Wilko Bulte cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: comments on SCSI doc In-Reply-To: <199511191900.UAA00958@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Please feel free to add or fix the stuff that I wrote! I just brought the handbook in current into sync with the changes made in the 2.1 tree, so go at it! -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 19:29:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA03326 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:29:49 -0800 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (news@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA03319 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:29:10 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id LAA12455 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:28:46 +0800 (WST) Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 20 Nov 1995 11:28:41 +0800 From: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: <48osl9$c53$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: , <199511200003.BAA14638@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) writes: [...] >sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe >it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a >fresh installation... I dont.. :-) I've used /stand/sysinstall on a number of occasions to prep and partition new disks. I dont remember the specifics though, but it involves using wizard mode and manually mkfs'ing. I believe 2.1 has changed sysinstall in this area a little. -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 20:04:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA04788 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:04:36 -0800 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA04781 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:04:32 -0800 Received: from cps201 (cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA19146; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:04:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity In-Reply-To: <199511192334.SAA08276@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > There are currently 403 users out of 400 possible. > > Explain that! Easy three of them are attempting to log onto the machine at the same tiem the machine counts these as on but really doesn't let them on to get files just to tell them there are to many users.. Matt From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 20:45:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA07432 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:45:15 -0800 Received: from twitch.io.org (root@twitch.io.org [198.133.36.152]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA07427 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:45:06 -0800 Received: from flinch (flinch.io.org [198.133.36.153]) by twitch.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01929; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:33:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@flinch To: Bruce Evans cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: free vnode isn't In-Reply-To: <199511111827.FAA05713@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Nov 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > > Perhaps known bogus options should be checked for in a central source file: > > #ifdef CHILD_MAX > #warning "bogus option CHILD_MAX, RTFM setrlimit(2), sh(1) (ulimit)" > #endif CHILD_MAX (and I assume OPEN_MAX) is bogus now? It was still in the LINT config as of 2.1.0-951026-SNAP... what is the recommended method for raising the default resource limits for a user then? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 20:56:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA08104 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:56:27 -0800 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA08098 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:56:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199511200456.UAA08098@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question (or complaint) about sup In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:32:59 EST." Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:56:19 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I know, kinda vague. For example, /usr/src/lib/libncurses >is 1.8.6...from 1994. I'm on the ncurses mailing list, and the >ncurses I have on the system right now is 1.9.8 (1.9.7a + a bunch of >patches). I dont' want to do a 'make world' and have my ncurses >replaced... I would suggest creating an exclusion list for tha areas of the tree you don't want updated. Read the SUP man page for details. > >Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) >scrappy@hub.org | > soon to be: | >scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 20:58:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA08157 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:58:02 -0800 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA08147 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:57:43 -0800 Received: from nudge.io.org (nudge.io.org [198.133.36.4]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id UAA29739; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from flinch (flinch.io.org [198.133.36.153]) by nudge.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA25432; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:54:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@flinch To: Mark Murray cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual-personality crypt - reviewers please? In-Reply-To: <199511180754.JAA10206@grumble.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Mark Murray wrote: > > I also have modified passwd(1) to co-operate with this scheme - ie > it will keep md5 encryption if it is present in your local password > file. So you can mix MD5 and DES passwords in one /etc/master.passwd? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 21:31:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA09846 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:31:10 -0800 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA09841 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:31:02 -0800 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10147 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:31:00 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199511200531.AAA10147@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: 2.1R bug in sysctl To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:31:00 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 352 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk sysctl on 2.1R reports: net.inet.icmp.stats: unknown structure returned net.inet.igmp.stats: unknown structure returned net.inet.tcp.stats: unknown structure returned net.inet.udp.stats: unknown structure returned -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 21:45:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA10365 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:45:27 -0800 Received: from werple.net.au (0@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10359 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:45:21 -0800 Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id PAA08841 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:57:03 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199511200457.PAA08841@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA07484; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:01:08 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: bde@zeta.org.au Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:01:07 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Would it be evil if it were _not_ opaque under FreeBSD? > >It would require more support (something like sys/i386/i386/genassym.c >to keep the asm offsets in sync with the C offsets). Of course the asm offsets are "cast in stone" because they affect compatibility. I just thought that if jmp_buf contained a structure it could reflect things the way they are... so although the asm offsets _could_ be maintained, they don't _need_ to be. >POSIX.1 (3.3.1.3(3)(b)) seems to require saving the FP state although >ANSI C doesn't. ANSI C says that you can do a longjmp from a signal handler. This implies that FP state is restored to that when setjmp was called (and as you've said, this is with the FP stack empty). >You'll have to worry about the i387 (separate) coprocessor bug as in the >kernel: fnsave/frstor may trigger an FPU trap that is not supposed to >occur until the next _non control_ FPU instruction. The kernel protects >itself by masking the traps until user mode is resumed, but the >transparency of the context switch is lost. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about this, because the scope of the user-space threads work is such that it has to work with the kernel the way it is. I can't see a way of using the existing syscalls to get the kernel to call the npxsave function (which has the trap masking) and return this to the process. And I can't mask traps in user-space. 8-(. The MIT pthread code does an fsave without a fwait to save the FP state. Is this valid? It looks like gcc generates the same code for fsave as fnsave. > >Bruce -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 21:49:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA10596 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:49:41 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10586 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:49:24 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA32683; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:45:47 +1100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:45:47 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511200545.QAA32683@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, taob@io.org Subject: Re: panic: free vnode isn't Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Perhaps known bogus options should be checked for in a central source file: >> >> #ifdef CHILD_MAX >> #warning "bogus option CHILD_MAX, RTFM setrlimit(2), sh(1) (ulimit)" >> #endif > CHILD_MAX (and I assume OPEN_MAX) is bogus now? It was still in >the LINT config as of 2.1.0-951026-SNAP... It always was bogus. Defining CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX in informs interested applications that these limits are fixed. Applications can reasonably allocate arrays of size CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX at compile time iff the limits are fixed. This would break if someone increases the limits. Increasing the limits in the kernel config without increasing them in and recompiling _all_ applications that include increases your chances of breaking and application that depends on fixed limits. There seem to be few such applications. >what is the recommended >method for raising the default resource limits for a user then? setrlimit(2) and sh(1) (ulimit). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 22:34:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA12283 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:34:53 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA12271 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:34:39 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01704; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:33:20 +1100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:33:20 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511200633.RAA01704@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>Would it be evil if it were _not_ opaque under FreeBSD? >> >>It would require more support (something like sys/i386/i386/genassym.c >>to keep the asm offsets in sync with the C offsets). >Of course the asm offsets are "cast in stone" because they affect >compatibility. I just thought that if jmp_buf contained a structure it could >reflect things the way they are... so although the asm offsets _could_ be >maintained, they don't _need_ to be. Actually, the offsets can be changed easily since the structs are opaque. It is only necessary for the setjmp/longjmp pair in the (possibly shared and changing every day) library to agree with each other. The sizes of the objects are harder to change. >>POSIX.1 (3.3.1.3(3)(b)) seems to require saving the FP state although >>ANSI C doesn't. >ANSI C says that you can do a longjmp from a signal handler. This implies that >FP state is restored to that when setjmp was called (and as you've said, this >is with the FP stack empty). ANSI C only requires longjmp() to work for synchronous signals (i.e., for those invoked by raise() and abort()). It would be sufficient to preserve the FP control word and the pending exception bits for sync signals. FreeBSD does this and clears the FP stack so that longjmp works from all signal handlers (except when there is a pending exception and the machine has the i387 coprocessor bug). >>You'll have to worry about the i387 (separate) coprocessor bug as in the >>kernel: fnsave/frstor may trigger an FPU trap that is not supposed to >I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about this, because the scope of >the user-space threads work is such that it has to work with the kernel the Something involving a SIGFPE handler might work. Ugh. >The MIT pthread code does an fsave without a fwait to save the FP state. >Is this valid? It looks like gcc generates the same code for fsave as fnsave. It's important to _not_ have an fwait. On x87's later than the 8087 (or maybe the 80287) and on x86's later than the 386, synchronization between FPU instructions is automatic and an fwait does little more than trigger any pending FPU exception, which you don't want while context switching. gas uses confusing mnemonics for the no-wait vs the `wait' instructions: intel gas right ----- --- ----- fnsave fnsave or fsave fnsave fsave fwait; fnsave or fsave fwait; fnsave `fwait; fnsave' is not useful except for the 8086. `fnsave; fwait' may be more useful. Old manuals say to use fwait to synchronize between FPU instructions and memory accesses, but this is apparerently a bug in the manuals. Synchronization is automatic at least for x86's later than the 386, at least when the cpu accesses the memory (I'm not sure about DMA). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 23:04:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA13693 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:04:18 -0800 Received: from risc6.unisa.ac.za (risc6.unisa.ac.za [163.200.97.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA13515 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:00:51 -0800 Received: by risc6.unisa.ac.za (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36128; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:59:50 +0200 From: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za (A. Radovanovic) Message-Id: <9511200659.AA36128@risc6.unisa.ac.za> Subject: Pseudo SLIP To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:59:50 +0200 (USAST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 604 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am looking for a public domain pseudo slip package I want to run on the 2.0. Could anybody recommend me one? Regards, Alex ----------------------------+--------------------------------- Aleksandar Radovanovic + Mail: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za University of South Africa + radova@osprey.unisa.ac.za Dept. of Computer Science + WWW: http://osprey.unisa.ac.za P.O.Box 392 + Tel. (27) 12/429-603 Pretoria 0001 + Cell. (27) 83/226-7251 South Africa + Fax. (27) 12/429-6361 ----------------------------+--------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 23:04:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA13733 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:04:30 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA13725 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:04:24 -0800 Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0tHQH0-0003w1C; Sun, 19 Nov 95 23:04 PST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00179; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:04:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1R bug in sysctl In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:31:00 EST." <199511200531.AAA10147@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:04:10 +0100 Message-ID: <177.816851050@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > sysctl on 2.1R reports: > > net.inet.icmp.stats: unknown structure returned > net.inet.igmp.stats: unknown structure returned > net.inet.tcp.stats: unknown structure returned > net.inet.udp.stats: unknown structure returned > As does any other versions sysctl. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 19 23:28:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA14588 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:28:28 -0800 Received: from suphys.physics.usyd.edu.au (dawes@suphys.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA14583 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:28:24 -0800 Received: (from dawes@localhost) by suphys.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA17716 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:28:09 +1100 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199511200728.SAA17716@suphys.physics.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Yet another sup server available (Australia) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:28:08 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 999 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've setup a sup server on sup.physics.usyd.edu.au for use by people in Australia. It has current, ports and stable (except des, etc). The max number of connections is currently set to 10, and the daily sup updates begin at 3am local time (if a different time would be better, let me know). This machine is located in Sydney, with good connectivity to the NSW AARNet/TIS gateway. If the plans TIS (Telstra Internet Service) has for upgrading interstate connectivity go ahead (like 18Mbit/s Sydney-Melbourne), it shouldn't be too bad for interstate users before long too. Sample supfiles can be found at: ftp://sup.physics.usyd.edu.au/pub/FreeBSD/supfiles/ A typical entry is: src-base release=current host=sup.physics.usyd.edu.au hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old use-rel-suffix I've also increased the amount of FreeBSD stuff from ftp.freebsd.org that is mirrored on ftp.physics.usyd.edu.au. (Those multiple sets of distfiles directories chew up a lot space.) David From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 00:13:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA16244 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:13:16 -0800 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA16108 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:11:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA04894; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:09:59 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199511200809.NAA04894@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: NFS client caching in UNIX To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:09:59 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511182045.NAA09519@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 18, 95 01:45:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 689 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Sorry about the length of this reply. I hope this will put at least > some of the issues involved to rest, so the length may be worth it. [...] > > >From "UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers", Vahalia, 10.7, "NFS Performance" > , _italics_: > ============================================================================ > 10.7.2 Client-Side Caching Thank you ! I have nothing more to say, everything is here ! > 7) Everyone should buy Uresh's book. 8-). A good idea :-) The only problem is that it is enough difficult to do from Russia :-( Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 00:17:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA16471 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:17:56 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA16465 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:17:50 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA07784; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:16:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:16:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question (or complaint) about sup In-Reply-To: <199511200456.UAA08098@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > I know, kinda vague. For example, /usr/src/lib/libncurses > >is 1.8.6...from 1994. I'm on the ncurses mailing list, and the > >ncurses I have on the system right now is 1.9.8 (1.9.7a + a bunch of > >patches). I dont' want to do a 'make world' and have my ncurses > >replaced... > > > I would suggest creating an exclusion list for tha areas of the tree > you don't want updated. Read the SUP man page for details. > Got it...but it only solves half the problem...the "make world" still doesn't work, since as soon as it tries to compile libncurses, it will fail, since it doesn't exist... And...yes, I can modify the Makefile, but as soon as I re'sup, there is a good change that will get replaced... One of the things I noticed was that the "root makefile", in /usr/src, does checking of subdirectories as to what has to be compiled and what doesn't... ...I don't mind trying to hit all the appropriate Makefiles, but if I do, is there somewhere I can submit them so that it becomes part of the supserver, so that I don't have to modify each time...and I would think that there are others that have similar requirements to ... omit stuff out of the source tree for various reasons. Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 00:25:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA16842 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:25:39 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA16832 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:25:30 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA07826; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:23:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Peter Wemm cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-Reply-To: <48osl9$c53$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 20 Nov 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) writes: > [...] > >sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe > >it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a > >fresh installation... > > I dont.. :-) I've used /stand/sysinstall on a number of occasions to > prep and partition new disks. I dont remember the specifics though, > but it involves using wizard mode and manually mkfs'ing. I believe > 2.1 has changed sysinstall in this area a little. > Yes, 2.1's sysinstall has improved it by adding a W)rite option to both, but you still have to blindly stumble into the "Install" menu, and then you have to notice that a W)rite option has been added... I don't know how many times I stumbled into it because everyone said that sysinstall would do it, but blindly missed the W)rite option. I had the benefit of popping into IRC and chatting with those in #FreeBSD about it, but what about those that don't have that luxury, that are using FreeBSD because its a good OS and their friends recommended it? If I can scrap together some time, I'm going to play with pulling the disklabel and fdisk functions out of sysinstall in 2.1, which seem to have the features required, but in an "out of the way" place...*shrug*...we'll see what happens Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 01:16:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA19000 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:16:16 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA18919 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:15:42 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA19031 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:12:41 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511200912.JAA19031@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: laptop/notebook recommendations? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:12:41 +0000 () MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 963 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yah, polling a development mailing list for my own personal benefit, boo hiss and all that 8) However, this _is_ where a lot of serious mobile BSD'ers hang out, and its their experiences that I'm interested in. I'm in the market for a portable X workstation/development system, and I'd be very interested to see what other peoples experiences have been. Peripherals are also of interest - I'll be needing an ethernet card and a modem. I've raided the -current pccard stuff for ideas, but that's a bit short on anecdotal information 8) Any and all info gratefully received! Ta. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" -Terry Lambert UNIX: live FreeBSD or die! [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 01:24:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA19347 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:24:08 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA19249 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:24:01 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Mon, 20 Nov 95 09:24 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA21765 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:16:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199511200916.KAA21765@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: panic: free vnode isn't To: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:16:52 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Nov 19, 95 11:32:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 659 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao writes: > > On Sun, 12 Nov 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > > Perhaps known bogus options should be checked for in a central source file: > > > > #ifdef CHILD_MAX > > #warning "bogus option CHILD_MAX, RTFM setrlimit(2), sh(1) (ulimit)" > > #endif > > CHILD_MAX (and I assume OPEN_MAX) is bogus now? It was still in > the LINT config as of 2.1.0-951026-SNAP... what is the recommended > method for raising the default resource limits for a user then? An even better question is: when will the LINT config be updated? Just recently the descriptions of CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX have been updated, but there's been no mention of deprecation. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 01:28:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA19685 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:28:40 -0800 Received: (from dima@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA19675 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:28:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199511200928.BAA19675@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:28:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511192334.SAA08276@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Nov 19, 95 06:34:18 pm From: dima@FreeBSD.ORG (Dima Ruban) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 316 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Charles Henrich writes: > > There are currently 403 users out of 400 possible. It could be, if 3 users right now are on login stage. > > Explain that! > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > -- dima From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 01:30:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA19792 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:30:20 -0800 Received: (from dima@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA19783 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:30:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199511200930.BAA19783@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: wuftpd (ftp.cdrom.com) curiosity To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:30:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3959.816826212@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 19, 95 04:10:12 pm From: dima@FreeBSD.ORG (Dima Ruban) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 315 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > > Magic! > > > > > > Or a race condition. :) > > > > :) How hard does FreeBSD page when its loaded at 400+ users? > > I assume you mean "400 ftp users." It's pretty busy. shell1.best.com has around 200 users at the same time. This is FreeBSD box. > > Jordan > -- dima From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 03:15:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA26759 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:15:44 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA26752 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:15:37 -0800 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id DAA29211 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:15:31 -0800 Received: from kpdp.uucp (root@localhost) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id MAA09090 for FreeBSD.ORG!hackers; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:14:04 +0100 Received: by q8.dk (smail2.5) id AA28992; 20 Nov 95 12:10:38 GMT (Mon) Subject: unsubscribe To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 12:10:38 GMT In-Reply-To: <3584.816821326@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 19, 95 2:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9511201210.AA28992@q8.dk> From: tsk@q8.dk (Thomas S. Kristensen) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > only enough disk space to build the ports you want. (Almost) every > port is also provided as a pre-compiled "package" which can be > installed with a simple command (pkg_add). See also the new Packages > option in the Configuration menu for an especially convenient interface > to the package collection. > > > A number of additional documents which you may find helpful in the > process of installing and using FreeBSD may now also be found in the > /usr/share/doc directory. You may view the manuals with any HTML > capable browser by saying: > > To read the handbook: > file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html > > To read the FAQ: > file:/usr/share/doc/FAQ/freebsd-faq.html > > You can also visit the master (and most frequently updated) copies at > http://www.freebsd.org. > > The core of FreeBSD does not contain DES code which would inhibit its > being exported outside the United States. There is an add-on package > to the core distribution, for use only in the United States, that > contains the programs that normally use DES. The auxiliary packages > provided separately can be used by anyone. A freely (from outside the > U.S.) exportable distribution of DES for our non-U.S. users also > exists at ftp://ftp.internat.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD. > > If password security for FreeBSD is all you need and you have no > requirement for copying encrypted passwords from different hosts > (Suns, DEC machines, etc) into FreeBSD password entries, then > FreeBSD's MD5 based security may be all you require! We feel that our > default security model is more than a match for DES, and without any > messy export issues to deal with. If you're outside (or even inside) > the U.S., give it a try! > > > Supported Configurations > ------------------------ > > FreeBSD currently runs on a wide variety of ISA, VLB, EISA and PCI bus > based PC's, ranging from 386sx to Pentium class machines (though the > 386sx is not recommended). Support for generic IDE or ESDI drive > configurations, various SCSI controller, network and serial cards is > also provided. > > What follows is a list of all disk controllers and ethernet cards > currently known to work with FreeBSD. Other configurations may also > work, but we have simply not received any confirmation of this. > > > Disk Controllers > ---------------- > > WD1003 (any generic MFM/RLL) > WD1007 (any generic IDE/ESDI) > IDE > ATA > > Adaptec 152x series ISA SCSI controllers > Adaptec 154x series ISA SCSI controllers > Adaptec 174x series EISA SCSI controller in standard and enhanced mode. > Adaptec 274X/284X/2940/3940 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series ISA/EISA/PCI SCSI > controllers. > Adaptec AIC-6260 and AIC-6360 based boards, which includes > the AHA-152x and SoundBlaster SCSI cards. > > ** Note: You cannot boot from the SoundBlaster cards as they have no > on-board BIOS, such being necessary for mapping the boot device into the > system BIOS I/O vectors. They're perfectly usable for external tapes, > CDROMs, etc, however. The same goes for any other AIC-6x60 based card > without a boot ROM. Some systems DO have a boot ROM, which is generally > indicated by some sort of message when the system is first powered up > or reset, and in such cases you *will* also be able to boot from them. > Check your system/board documentation for more details. > > [Note that Buslogic was formerly known as "Bustek"] > Buslogic 545S & 545c > Buslogic 445S/445c VLB SCSI controller > Buslogic 742A, 747S, 747c EISA SCSI controller. > Buslogic 946c PCI SCSI controller > Buslogic 956c PCI SCSI controller > > NCR 53C810/15/25/60/75 PCI SCSI controller. > NCR5380/NCR53400 ("ProAudio Spectrum") SCSI controller. > > DTC 3290 EISA SCSI controller in 1542 emulation mode. > > UltraStor 14F, 24F and 34F SCSI controllers. > > Seagate ST01/02 SCSI controllers. > > Future Domain 8xx/950 series SCSI controllers. > > WD7000 SCSI controller. > > With all supported SCSI controllers, full support is provided for > SCSI-I & SCSI-II peripherals, including Disks, tape drives (including > DAT) and CD ROM drives. > > The following CD-ROM type systems are supported at this time: > (cd) SCSI interface (also includes ProAudio Spectrum and > SoundBlaster SCSI) > (mcd) Mitsumi proprietary interface (all models) > (matcd) Matsushita/Panasonic (Creative SoundBlaster) proprietary > interface (562/563 models) > (scd) Sony proprietary interface (all models) > (wcd) ATAPI IDE interface (experimental and should be considered ALPHA > quality!). > > > Ethernet cards > -------------- > > Allied-Telesis AT1700 and RE2000 cards > SMC Elite 16 WD8013 ethernet interface, and most other WD8003E, > WD8003EBT, WD8003W, WD8013W, WD8003S, WD8003SBT and WD8013EBT > based clones. SMC Elite Ultra is also supported. > > DEC EtherWORKS III NICs (DE203, DE204, and DE205) > DEC EtherWORKS II NICs (DE200, DE201, DE202, and DE422) > DEC DC21140 based NICs (SMC???? DE???) > DEC FDDI (DEFPA/DEFEA) NICs > > Fujitsu FMV-181 and FMV-182 > > Intel EtherExpress > > Isolan AT 4141-0 (16 bit) > Isolink 4110 (8 bit) > > Novell NE1000, NE2000, and NE2100 ethernet interface. > > 3Com 3C501 cards > > 3Com 3C503 Etherlink II > > 3Com 3c505 Etherlink/+ > > 3Com 3C507 Etherlink 16/TP > > 3Com 3C509, 3C579, 3C589 (PCMCIA) Etherlink III > > Toshiba ethernet cards > > PCMCIA ethernet cards from IBM and National Semiconductor are also > supported. > > Note that NO token ring cards are supported at this time as we're > still waiting for someone to donate a driver for one of them. Any > takers? > > > Misc Hardware > ------------- > > AST 4 port serial card using shared IRQ. > > ARNET 8 port serial card using shared IRQ. > > BOCA ATIO66 6 port serial card using shared IRQ. > > Cyclades Cyclom-y Serial Board. > > STB 4 port card using shared IRQ. > > SDL Communications Riscom/8 Serial Board. > > Adlib, SoundBlaster, SoundBlaster Pro, ProAudioSpectrum, Gravis UltraSound > and Roland MPU-401 sound cards. > > FreeBSD currently does NOT support IBM's microchannel (MCA) bus. > > --- > > > Reporting problems, making suggestions and submitting code: > =========================================================== > > Your suggestions, bug reports and contributions of code are always > valued - please do not hesitate to report any problems you may find > (preferably with a fix attached, if you can!). > > The preferred method to submit bug reports from a machine with > internet mail connectivity is to use the send-pr command. Bug reports > will be dutifully filed by our faithful bugfiler program and you can > be sure that we'll do our best to respond to all reported bugs as soon > as possible. Bugs filed in this way are also visible on our WEB site > in the support section and are therefore valuable both as bug reports > and as "signposts" for other users concerning potential problems to > watch out for. > > If, for some reason, you are unable to use the send-pr command to > submit a bug report, you can try to send it to: > > bugs@FreeBSD.org > > > Otherwise, for any questions or suggestions, please send mail to: > > questions@FreeBSD.org > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 06:14:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA09546 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:14:29 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09533 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:14:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA05943 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:14:07 -0800 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:14:06 -0800 Message-ID: <5941.816876846@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Archive Stats, DAILY Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ .3/FreeBSD 14,993,930 K 74,511 35.8 38.2 [top of the list] :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 06:15:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA09613 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:15:04 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09597 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:15:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA05934; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:11:29 -0800 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:31:29 +0100." <199511200934.KAA07899@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:11:29 -0800 Message-ID: <5932.816876689@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As always, a splendid job from Joerg on the translation! Thanks, Joerg! Having these announcements go out in the local language on the country-wide groups is a real plus, and I'd very much like to encourage any of the other bilingual (or multilingual, like Joerg :) folks to do the same for other newsgroups. A swedish version of the announcement posted to the scandanavian countries, perhaps? A French version and, of course, Italian? I think Joerg provides an excellent template to be followed for any of the other west-european languages, and some of you probably already have the relnotes from 2.0.5 translated and can easily update them (you'll note that I didn't make too many changes to the original english relnotes for 2.0.5!). Anyway, just a suggestion from one who doesn't actually have to do the work, so take it with a grain of salt. :) It also makes me wonder though.. We have all these bugs, questions, hackers, etc. lists in the U.S., but why not create local counterparts to all of them for non-english speakers? It seems unfair to ONLY have english lists, and no more local resources. We just need hosts willing to serve as secondaries and we can do the MX magic here to get addresses like ``anmerkung@de.freebsd.org'' to DTRT. C'mon, folks, let's get more regional resources online and put them under the "umbrella" of freebsd.org! One mail exchanger and majordomo server per country is all it takes! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 06:33:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA10960 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:33:49 -0800 Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA10946 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:33:45 -0800 Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA03493; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:31:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:31:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: Terry Lambert cc: "Serge A. Babkin" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS client caching in UNIX In-Reply-To: <199511182045.NAA09519@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk one note though: every study i've seen of nfs activity (including my own multi-month monitoring of a net i ran) shows 1) most DATA is for read (last time i checked read outnumbered write by over 10 to 1) 2) most of that read data is to read only file systems (/usr/local, etc.) (think of emacs, frame, your favorite cad system, etc.) 3) most PACKETS are lookup/gettatr, again to read only file systems so you can win a lot by simply running CFS (from sun) or other caching file system. I have a caching file system for nfs i wrote a number of years ago (Autocacher) but it needs work. Anybody want to do the work, you can have the code. It consists of a modified AMD. ron Ron Minnich |Like a knife through Daddy's heart: rminnich@sarnoff.com |"Don't make fun of Windows, daddy! It takes care (609)-734-3120 | of all my files and it's reliable and I like it". From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 06:44:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA11581 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:44:46 -0800 Received: from csc.canberra.edu.au (csc.canberra.edu.au [137.92.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA11569 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:44:33 -0800 Received: from student.canberra.edu.au by csc.canberra.edu.au (5.65/1.35) id AA03759; Tue, 21 Nov 95 01:44:20 +1100 Received: by student.canberra.edu.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08599; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:44:09 +1100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:44:07 +1100 (EDT) From: "Gasparovski / Daniel (ISE)" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: udp echo port Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just upgraded to 2.1 and noticed the following in /etc/inetd.conf: echo stream tcp nowait root internal [...] #echo dgram udp wait root internal Why is the TCP echo port enabled but the UDP echo port disabled? The reason I ask is because Slirp, a SLIP/PPP emulator, uses the UDP echo port to emulate "ping" packets. Dan ... [ Danny Gasparovski | Mortified by the lack of conscience ] [ u923168@student.canberra.edu.au | Our sanctity bears no relevance ] [ University of Canberra, Australia | Insignificant is our existence ] [ Bolt Thrower, "The IVth Crusade" -> | Hear the litany of life's persistence ] From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 06:54:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA12059 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:58 -0800 Received: from bigbird.vmicls.com (bigbird.vmicls.com [198.17.96.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12052 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:55 -0800 Received: from gonzo by bigbird.vmicls.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1-vmicls-master-host-1) id JAA11972; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:57:15 -0500 From: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Organization: VMI Communications and Learning Systems Received: by gonzo (5.0/vmi-client-host-1) id AA22901; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:57:13 +0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:57:13 +0500 Message-Id: <9511201457.AA22901.gonzo@vmicls.com> To: grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KEYBOARD goes crazy X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 1193 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Jerry Kendall writes: > > > > I just setup two computers, a 386-40 with DOS/WINDOWS and a Pentium-75 running > > FreeBSD 2.0.5R. > > > > They share the same monitor and keyboard via a 'little switch box'. > > > > The problem is when I switch from/to the FreeBSD box. The input from > > the keyboard gets messed up. If I run DOS/WINDOWS on both systems, I can > > switch between them without any trouble. It seems to be related to switching > > from/to FreeBSD. > > > > At the login prompt, I type 'l' and I see '^L' on the screen. If I am > > logged in and type 'd', it interprets it as '^D' and logs me out. I tried > > switch to another screen via 'ALT-Fx' and it still is messed up. > > It looks as if the keyboard driver thinks the Ctrl key is pressed. > Could be that it gets some kind of noise when switching, and the > keyboard driver interprets it as a Ctrl key press and no release. If > that's the case, you should be able to fix it by pressing the Ctrl > key, releasing it and trying again. > > Greg Well. Guess what??? It seems that Greg is correct. When I got the ^L charactares etc... I pressed the control keys and WOW it made the problem go away. Thanks. Jerry From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 07:29:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA13404 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:29:17 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13399 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:29:13 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04595; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:29:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA00637; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:27:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199511201527.HAA00637@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 95 06:14:06 PST." <5941.816876846@time.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:27:02 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Archive Stats, DAILY >Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files >------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ >.3/FreeBSD 14,993,930 K 74,511 35.8 38.2 > >[top of the list] > >:-) The above was for Sunday, most of which was before the announcement. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 07:33:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA13606 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:33:49 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13601 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:33:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA06350; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:33:20 -0800 To: davidg@Root.COM cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:27:02 PST." <199511201527.HAA00637@corbin.Root.COM> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:33:20 -0800 Message-ID: <6348.816881600@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Archive Stats, DAILY > >Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files > >------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ > >.3/FreeBSD 14,993,930 K 74,511 35.8 38.2 > > > >[top of the list] > > > >:-) > > The above was for Sunday, most of which was before the announcement. So maybe we should see both days together - do you have the Monday announce? I thought that *was* monday. Hmmmm.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 07:38:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA13908 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:38:01 -0800 Received: from truman.rsoc.rockwell.com (truman.rsoc.rockwell.com [161.40.58.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13901 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:37:57 -0800 Received: (from walker@localhost) by truman.rsoc.rockwell.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA08970 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:40:20 -0600 From: James Walker Message-Id: <199511201540.JAA08970@truman.rsoc.rockwell.com> Subject: Re: Building a gateway To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:40:19 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199511180843.JAA20171@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 18, 95 09:43:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1044 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > As Joe Greco wrote: > > > options GATEWAY used to increase certain kernel resources as well as > > enabling IP forwarding. If this is still the case - I would say that the > > sysctl method is much less preferable. > > As you said: ``It used to...'' It doesn't do it any more, David > Greenman has been incresing these sizes unconditionally to the GATEWAY > values long before. > > People should expect options GATEWAY to disappear some day. > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > Being tasked with building a TIS-based firewall on this OS, my concern is the ability to "remove" the ip-forwarding code _completely_ from the kernel. Though the sysctl interface is great, the ability to specify a config OPTION to include or exclude this code is a big win for me. So, this behavior is no longer possible? -- James Walker walker@truman.rsoc.rockwell.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 07:39:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA13963 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:34 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13958 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:31 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04611; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA00657; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:37:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199511201537.HAA00657@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 95 07:33:20 PST." <6348.816881600@time.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:37:18 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > Archive Stats, DAILY >> >Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files >> >------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ >> >.3/FreeBSD 14,993,930 K 74,511 35.8 38.2 >> > >> >[top of the list] >> > >> >:-) >> >> The above was for Sunday, most of which was before the announcement. > >So maybe we should see both days together - do you have the Monday >announce? I thought that *was* monday. Hmmmm.. Umm, Jordan, *today* is Monday. We'll have today's stats when they are calculated early tomorrow morning (2AM). As some people may know, the release was actually put up on wcarchive on Friday. These are the totals since then: Friday 10.7GB Saturday 14.3GB Sunday 15.0GB -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 07:39:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA13993 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:43 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13982 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA06391; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:23 -0800 To: davidg@freefall.FreeBSD.org cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Oh duh! Never mind! Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:39:23 -0800 Message-ID: <6389.816881963@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Re: wcarchive's logs. Today is *monday* morning, isn't it? Not tuesday morning. Monday. I lost a day. I hate that. I think being awake at night has something to do with it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 07:55:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA14818 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:55:13 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA14811 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:55:07 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Mon, 20 Nov 95 15:55 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA22333; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:28:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201528.QAA22333@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: scrappy@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:28:12 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Nov 19, 95 12:29:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 742 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Marc G. Fournier writes: > > Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't > hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit > to an install in order for it to add your drive... Yes, that's the way I'd do it too. It doesn't seem to be too much trouble to tear the disk stuff out and make a standalone program that didn't also try to install software on it. > ...and, as to "what everybody else is using"...as you mention > below...how many ppl know about the "wizard" mode that is in 2.0.5's > sysinstall? I found out about it in IRC last night, chatting with > Gary and a few others... Well, I still don't know what it is. Anybody care to tell us, or do you have to be a wizard for that? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 08:14:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA16081 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:14:48 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16073 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:14:42 -0800 Received: from ncd.com (firewall-user@welch.ncd.com [192.43.160.250]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA00751 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:14:22 -0800 Received: by ncd.com; id IAA19498; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:15:17 -0800 Received: from z-code.z-code.com(192.82.56.21) by welch.ncd.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma019490; Mon, 20 Nov 95 08:15:09 -0800 Received: from zolaris.z-code.com (zolaris.z-code.com [192.82.56.41]) by z-code.z-code.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA15313; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:11:46 -0800 Received: by zolaris.z-code.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23972; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:09:23 -0800 From: "Ulf Zimmerman" Message-Id: <9511200809.ZM23970@zolaris.z-code.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:09:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: Jaye Mathisen "Re: knews-0.9.3 ported - really, an amazing X11 Newsreader with graphical threads" (Nov 18, 2:32pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Jaye Mathisen Subject: Re: knews-0.9.3 ported - really, an amazing X11 Newsreader with graphical threads Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 18, 2:32pm, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > Subject: Re: knews-0.9.3 ported - really, an amazing X11 Newsreader with g > > Net Search in Netscape kicks back: > > http://www.matematik.su.se/users/kjj/knews.html >-- End of excerpt from Jaye Mathisen This address is local only :( Ulf. -- Ulf Zimmermann, NCD Software, 101 Rowland Way, Suite 300, Novato, CA 94945 phone: 415-899-7941, email: ulf@z-code.ncd.com, phone-home: 510-865-0204 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 08:21:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA16615 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:21:19 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16610 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:21:13 -0800 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA04756; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:20:12 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511201620.KAA04756@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: udp echo port To: u923168@student.canberra.edu.au (Gasparovski / Daniel) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:20:12 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Gasparovski / Daniel" at Nov 21, 95 01:44:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > I just upgraded to 2.1 and noticed the following in /etc/inetd.conf: > > echo stream tcp nowait root internal > [...] > #echo dgram udp wait root internal > > Why is the TCP echo port enabled but the UDP echo port disabled? > > The reason I ask is because Slirp, a SLIP/PPP emulator, uses the UDP echo > port to emulate "ping" packets. Probably because people use it for electronic terrorism. (sigh) I don't know about the echo/udp port, but I've seen some other nifty abuses of the internal ports... ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 08:27:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA16954 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:27:04 -0800 Received: from vogon.muc.de (root@vogon.muc.de [193.174.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA16083 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:14:48 -0800 Received: from [193.174.4.22] ([193.174.4.22]) by vogon.muc.de with SMTP id <93233-2>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:21 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:01:18 +0100 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de From: lutz@muc.de (Lutz Albers) Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199511200003.BAA14638@uriah.heep.sax.de>, J Wunsch writes: - -As Marc G. Fournier wrote: -> (deleted) -> Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't -> hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit -> to an install in order for it to add your drive... - -You misunderstood: i meant the user interface of fdisk(8)/ -disklabel(8). - -sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe -it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a -fresh installation... Then, if you don't mind, please give us the magic incarnations you need to tame this awful two-headed beast (fdisk/disklabel). Translation: Which parameters to have to give to fdisk (and more important) to disklabel and which of the error messages do I ignore ? And yes, I've read the man pages, but I've never been able to add a new disc with these tools. The only way to me is to start an installation on this disc and then abort it after newfs-ing. ciao lutz --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lutz Albers | What's good ? Luederitzstr. 14, 81929-Muenchen, Germany | Life's good - email:lutz@muc.de ph: +49-89-93940364 | But not fair at all http://www.muc.de/~lutz fax:+49-89-93940365 | (Lou Reed) Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 08:31:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA17309 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:31:29 -0800 Received: from jau.csc.fi (root@jau.csc.fi [193.166.1.196]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA17303 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:31:21 -0800 Received: (from jau@localhost) by jau.csc.fi (8.6.12/8.6.12+CSC-2.1) id SAA02681 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:31:31 +0200 From: Jukka Ukkonen Message-Id: <199511201631.SAA02681@jau.csc.fi> Subject: atapi/ide probing problems? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:31:29 +0200 (EET) Latin-Date: Lunti XX Novembrie a.d. MCMXCV Organization: Private person Phone: +358-0-6215280 (home) Content-Conversion: prohibited X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 673 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan Hubbard said in README.1ST (in FreeBSD-stable) that there have been some problems with ATAPI/IDE CD-driver. When I asked more about the problems he told me some CD drives do not reply correctly to probes. Could someone tell me the types of drives that fail to respond the probes? Cheers, // jau ------ / Jukka A. Ukkonen, FUNET / Centre for Scientific Computing /__ M.Sc. (sw-eng & cs) Tel: (Home) +358-0-6215280 / Internet: ukkonen@csc.fi (Work) +358-0-4573208 / Internet: jau@funet.fi (Mobile) +358-400-606671 v X.400: c=fi, admd=fumail, no prmd, org=csc, pn=jukka.ukkonen From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 08:57:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA19045 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:57:42 -0800 Received: from vogon.muc.de (root@vogon.muc.de [193.174.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA19010 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:56:26 -0800 Received: from [193.174.4.22] ([193.174.4.22]) by vogon.muc.de with SMTP id <93233-2>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:21 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:01:18 +0100 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de From: lutz@muc.de (Lutz Albers) Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199511200003.BAA14638@uriah.heep.sax.de>, J Wunsch writes: - -As Marc G. Fournier wrote: -> (deleted) -> Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't -> hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit -> to an install in order for it to add your drive... - -You misunderstood: i meant the user interface of fdisk(8)/ -disklabel(8). - -sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe -it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a -fresh installation... Then, if you don't mind, please give us the magic incarnations you need to tame this awful two-headed beast (fdisk/disklabel). Translation: Which parameters to have to give to fdisk (and more important) to disklabel and which of the error messages do I ignore ? And yes, I've read the man pages, but I've never been able to add a new disc with these tools. The only way to me is to start an installation on this disc and then abort it after newfs-ing. ciao lutz --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lutz Albers | What's good ? Luederitzstr. 14, 81929-Muenchen, Germany | Life's good - email:lutz@muc.de ph: +49-89-93940364 | But not fair at all http://www.muc.de/~lutz fax:+49-89-93940365 | (Lou Reed) Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 09:06:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA19829 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:06:45 -0800 Received: from vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.232.158]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA19790 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:05:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13219; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:01:03 GMT Message-Id: <199511201701.RAA13219@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> X-Authentication-Warning: vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: Re IDE/eIDE issues cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 1995 08:36:59 +1100." <199511172136.IAA24331@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:01:02 +0000 From: Neil Brendan Clark Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199511172136.IAA24331@godzilla.zeta.org.au>you write: > >2.0.5: the whole boot partition must be below cylinder 1024 That explains it then. I originally installed a 2.0.5 system, which is now of course updated by a make world. So it wasn't my imagination then! >Please report literal error messages in bug reports, not "something like" >them. I would if I had remembered the exact form of the message... it was a long time ago and I was in a somewhat emotional state at the time ;-) Neil From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 09:09:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA20054 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:09:44 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA20043 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:09:39 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Mon, 20 Nov 95 17:09 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA22662; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:07:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201707.SAA22662@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: elm problem - "solved" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:07:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511192256.PAA01747@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 19, 95 03:56:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1115 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > It's not voodoo, it's grotesque. Every time you change crt0.o, you > > need to change your object file recognition routines? What do you do > > if you're playing with crt0.o? > > Well, if you are smart, you aren't in this position in the first place > because you picked a different magic number when you changed the ABI > that the binaries use. > > If you're not smart, then you become grotesque as a damage control > mechanism. If I understand you, to be "smart" you need to have control over the development of both systems. In that case, you could be smarter and not perpetrate this kind of thing at all. I thought you were lucky at one point, since the FreeBSD format is different from the BSD/386 format, but then BSDI didn't change their format between 1.1 and 2.0, so we have the rather amusing fact that BSD/OS 2.0 will run the FreeBSD version of elm and not the BSD/386 1.1 version. I don't know how FreeBSD can distinguish between the 1.1 version, which needs the emulator, and the 2.0 version, which doesn't. You can't even rely on the crt0.o to have changed. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 09:26:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA21334 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:26:57 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21329 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:26:52 -0800 Received: from ncd.com (firewall-user@welch.ncd.com [192.43.160.250]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA01177 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:26:49 -0800 Received: by ncd.com; id JAA22760; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:27:33 -0800 Received: from z-code.z-code.com(192.82.56.21) by welch.ncd.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xmaa22750; Mon, 20 Nov 95 09:27:18 -0800 Received: from zolaris.z-code.com (zolaris.z-code.com [192.82.56.41]) by z-code.z-code.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16165; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:23:54 -0800 Received: by zolaris.z-code.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24416; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:21:31 -0800 From: "Ulf Zimmerman" Message-Id: <9511200921.ZM24414@zolaris.z-code.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:21:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.." (Nov 20, 6:14am) References: <5941.816876846@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 20, 6:14am, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Subject: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. > Archive Stats, DAILY > Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files > ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ > .3/FreeBSD 14,993,930 K 74,511 35.8 38.2 > > [top of the list] > > :-) > > Jordan >-- End of excerpt from Jordan K. Hubbard And still growing ;-) (or not...) Ulf. -- Ulf Zimmermann, NCD Software, 101 Rowland Way, Suite 300, Novato, CA 94945 phone: 415-899-7941, email: ulf@z-code.ncd.com, phone-home: 510-865-0204 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 09:50:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA23256 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:50:11 -0800 Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23250 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:50:03 -0800 Received: from trumpet.etnet.com (trumpet.etnet.com [129.45.17.35]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22999 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:58:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:58:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199511201758.MAA22999@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Pentium Motherboards Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Any recommendations or known FreeBSD problems with the following MBs/Chipsets with a 100Mhz Pentium: AP5CS SIS Chipset AP5C TRITON chipset P130 TRITON with Pipeline Cache Thanks Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 10:01:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA24194 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:01:50 -0800 Received: from ncd.com (firewall-user@welch.ncd.com [192.43.160.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA24189 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:01:48 -0800 Received: by ncd.com; id KAA24926; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:03:59 -0800 Received: from z-code.z-code.com(192.82.56.21) by welch.ncd.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xmaa24915; Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:03:46 -0800 Received: from zolaris.z-code.com (zolaris.z-code.com [192.82.56.41]) by z-code.z-code.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA16525; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:00:21 -0800 Received: by zolaris.z-code.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24493; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:57:57 -0800 From: "Ulf Zimmerman" Message-Id: <9511200957.ZM24491@zolaris.z-code.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:57:56 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Oh duh! Never mind!" (Nov 20, 7:39am) References: <6389.816881963@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Oh duh! Never mind! Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 20, 7:39am, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Subject: Oh duh! Never mind! > Re: wcarchive's logs. > > Today is *monday* morning, isn't it? Not tuesday morning. Monday. > > I lost a day. I hate that. I think being awake at night has > something to do with it. > > Jordan >-- End of excerpt from Jordan K. Hubbard Yes Jordan, it is Monday morning. Come on, forget work now and let's have a beer and party the 2.1R ;-) Ulf. -- Ulf Zimmermann, NCD Software, 101 Rowland Way, Suite 300, Novato, CA 94945 phone: 415-899-7941, email: ulf@z-code.ncd.com, phone-home: 510-865-0204 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 10:37:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA26997 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:37:41 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA26989 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:37:35 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id TAA00240; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:37:27 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199511201837.TAA00240@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:37:25 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <3584.816821326@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 19, 95 02:48:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 131 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > It gives me great pleasure to answer those questions with a "yes!" > And me too!! Congrads to all of the core team! -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 11:40:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA00753 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:40:30 -0800 Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00743 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:40:24 -0800 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA25489; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:38:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199511201938.NAA25489@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jukka Ukkonen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: atapi/ide probing problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:31:29 +0200." <199511201631.SAA02681@jau.csc.fi> Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:38:14 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, Jukka Ukkonen scribbled: > Jordan Hubbard said in README.1ST (in FreeBSD-stable) that > there have been some problems with ATAPI/IDE CD-driver. When > I asked more about the problems he told me some CD drives > do not reply correctly to probes. Could someone tell me the > types of drives that fail to respond the probes? I have an NEC-260, and it has had probe related problems. At one point in time, it also had problems with the "unrecognized phase" error that we recently saw posted too. I'm not sure if this is still a problem or not, as I've been too busy to check in the last month or so. jdl From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 11:42:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA00830 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:42:48 -0800 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00821 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:42:44 -0800 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA23754; Mon, 20 Nov 95 13:42:43 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA20893; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:42:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:42:42 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9511201942.AA20893@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: davidg@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6389.816881963@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Oh duh! Never mind! Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan K Hubbard writes: Jordan> Today is *monday* morning, isn't it? Not tuesday morning. Jordan> Monday. Huh? Someone's pulling your chain. Your subject line: Subject: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA It's amazing to me that one of the world's most feared diseases would be carried by one of the world's smallest animals: the real tiny dog. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 11:42:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA00838 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:42:50 -0800 Received: from fun.inria.fr (fun.inria.fr [138.96.24.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00819 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:42:37 -0800 Received: by fun.inria.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA16241; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:35:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201935.UAA16241@fun.inria.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Notion of time in kernel + malloc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:35:33 +0100 From: Andres Vega Garcia Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm adding some code to the kernel in order to modify the packet scheduling policy (currently FIFO) to Fair Queueing, and I need to have a notion of time (seconds (or tens of seconds) elapsed since ...). => Can I use just gettimeofday?, or there is a better way? (The #ifdef in sys/time.h disables the prototype for gettimeofday when KERNEL is defined) I have realized that in order to do malloc I need the "kernel" call to malloc. As this is related with the ethernet drivers (and ppp), I decided to use: malloc(sizeof(fs_ctx_t),M_DEVBUF,M_KERNEL) for the main structures and malloc(sizeof(fs_ses_t),M_DEVBUF,M_NOWAIT) for the secondary => Is the above right? Thank you ------- Andres Vega Garcia INRIA - Sophia Antipolis 2004, Route des Lucioles B.P. 93 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France avega@sophia.inria.fr (+33)93.65.76.78 Fax:(+33)93.65.77.65 or 66 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 12:03:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA01574 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:03:56 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01568 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:03:39 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA01337; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:02:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:01:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-Reply-To: <199511201528.QAA22333@allegro.lemis.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Greg Lehey wrote: > Marc G. Fournier writes: > > > > Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't > > hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit > > to an install in order for it to add your drive... > > Yes, that's the way I'd do it too. It doesn't seem to be too much > trouble to tear the disk stuff out and make a standalone program that > didn't also try to install software on it. > > > ...and, as to "what everybody else is using"...as you mention > > below...how many ppl know about the "wizard" mode that is in 2.0.5's > > sysinstall? I found out about it in IRC last night, chatting with > > Gary and a few others... > > Well, I still don't know what it is. Anybody care to tell us, or do > you have to be a wizard for that? Since its not required in 2.1, its kind of useless to advertise the feature. The main problem...it basically puts you into "raw" mode in relation to your drive, so, if, like with fdisk/disklabel, you really know what you are doing with your drive, then you are fine...but if that is the case, fdisk/disklabel will work for you too :) Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 12:23:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA02331 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:23:39 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA02325 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:23:32 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01872; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:20:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511202020.NAA01872@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au (John Birrell) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:20:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511200005.LAA25969@werple.net.au> from "John Birrell" at Nov 20, 95 11:08:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2191 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >You should copy setjmp.S > >and adapt it. Note that it isn't possible to do preemptive context > >switching for threads using only setjmp() - setjmp() doesn't preserve > >all of the floating point state in FreeBSD. > > I don't agree with this. gcc under FreeBSD appears to re-load floating > point "registers" after a function call (like setjmp). This means that > setjmp/longjmp don't need to save the floating point state. > > When a signal occurs, though, the floating point state is not saved. > [We think it should be saved. Is there anything that says that floating > point calculations in a signal handler can ruin your whole day?! 8-)]. > This is true of FreeBSD and NetBSD/i386, but it is _not_ true of > NetBSD/Alpha which saves floating point registers routinely. > > Preemptive context switching in user-space threads under FreeBSD needs to > save the floating point state when entering the scheduler from the signal > handler. Before calling sigreturn to re-start an interrupted thread (as > opposed to one that was simply context switched using setjmp), the floating > point state is restored. This means that the behavio[u]r of a signal handler > under a threaded program will not corrupt the floating point state of a > program as it will with a non-threaded program. What is a signal? A signal is a persistent condition. A signal is *NOT* an event. Doing anything other than setting a flag that gets checked later (unless you are going to never return from the handler) is bogus programming in the extreme. For preemptive context switching with LWP in Sun's user space thread environment (which uses async I/O instead of signal-based scheduling), there is a system call to save and restore register state. You are assuming that a signal is an event in using it for your scheduler and are in fact screwing up as a result. Lazy switching of FP register is one of the big optimization wins for context switching, even if you don't rewrite the active pte: ie: user space sontext switching without changing process context. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 12:38:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA03716 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:38:53 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03711 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:38:50 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01926; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:35:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511202035.NAA01926@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: atapi/ide probing problems? To: jau@jau.csc.fi (Jukka Ukkonen) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:35:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511201631.SAA02681@jau.csc.fi> from "Jukka Ukkonen" at Nov 20, 95 06:31:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1142 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Jordan Hubbard said in README.1ST (in FreeBSD-stable) that > there have been some problems with ATAPI/IDE CD-driver. When > I asked more about the problems he told me some CD drives > do not reply correctly to probes. Could someone tell me the > types of drives that fail to respond the probes? Ones which do not conform to the letter of the ATAPI specification. Typically manufacturers do *not* put this information on the bos the drives come in because if they did, no one would be stupid enough to buy them. You are unlikely to be able to get "a list of evil drives". You can robably get "a list of good drives" once a bunch of people have installed the new release code and used their ATAPI CDROM's. Which means you can do one of: (1) Try it and see. (2) Wait. Other people will then try it and see for you. Most of the people who follow -current don't buy IDE, so they can't tell you what will work (I have ~30G of disk personally: none of it is IDE, so I can't tell you either). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 12:43:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA04223 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:43:56 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04214 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:43:47 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01944; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:42:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511202042.NAA01944@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: elm problem - "solved" To: grog@lemis.de Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:42:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511201707.SAA22662@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 20, 95 06:07:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2261 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > It's not voodoo, it's grotesque. Every time you change crt0.o, you > > > need to change your object file recognition routines? What do you do > > > if you're playing with crt0.o? > > > > Well, if you are smart, you aren't in this position in the first place > > because you picked a different magic number when you changed the ABI > > that the binaries use. > > > > If you're not smart, then you become grotesque as a damage control > > mechanism. > > If I understand you, to be "smart" you need to have control over the > development of both systems. In that case, you could be smarter and > not perpetrate this kind of thing at all. > > I thought you were lucky at one point, since the FreeBSD format is > different from the BSD/386 format, but then BSDI didn't change their > format between 1.1 and 2.0, so we have the rather amusing fact that > BSD/OS 2.0 will run the FreeBSD version of elm and not the BSD/386 1.1 > version. I don't know how FreeBSD can distinguish between the 1.1 > version, which needs the emulator, and the 2.0 version, which doesn't. > You can't even rely on the crt0.o to have changed. BSDI wasn't smart going from 1.1 to 2.0 because they didn't change the magic number. FreeBSD wasn't smart similarly. NetBSD is smart, but their approach is not widely used, probably because they try to do byte order magic that they shouldn't (well, maybe they should for MIPS and PPC, both of which are programmable byte order). To be "smart" for a particular ABI, it nedds a particular magic number. Since you can't make someone else (BSDI?) be smart for you, you have to trade you being grotesque for them being smart. Yes, I agree that it's inconvenient when people aren't smart. The problems that this cause *can* be worked around. Look at real mode memory managers under DOS because IBM and Microsoft weren't smart. How many people are running DOS 1.0 and 2.0 programs on new hardware today? Practically none. And those who are are running old code which means they aren't buying new code which means you aren't making money by making them happy at the expense of everyone else. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 12:53:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA05716 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:53:40 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05707 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:53:34 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01979; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:51:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511202051.NAA01979@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Notion of time in kernel + malloc To: Andres.Vega_Garcia@sophia.inria.fr (Andres Vega Garcia) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:51:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511201935.UAA16241@fun.inria.fr> from "Andres Vega Garcia" at Nov 20, 95 08:35:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 950 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, I'm adding some code to the kernel in order to modify the > packet scheduling policy (currently FIFO) to Fair Queueing, and I > need to have a notion of time (seconds (or tens of seconds) elapsed > since ...). > > => Can I use just gettimeofday?, or there is a better way? > (The #ifdef in sys/time.h disables the prototype for gettimeofday > when KERNEL is defined) Look at /sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c. Probably accessing the global timeval struct "time" is the correct way to do what you want with the least expense. It should be good to 10ms, at least. Actually, note that SMP and portability concerns should drive this to be macroed at some time in the future, so don't overuse it. [ ... ] Your malloc code is not happy. Grep for malloc in /sys/kern/* for better examples of its use. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 13:27:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA09627 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:27:48 -0800 Received: from werple.net.au (0@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA09618 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:27:41 -0800 Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id IAA16454 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:02:11 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199511202102.IAA16454@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA11859; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:06:06 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:06:06 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511202020.NAA01872@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 20, 95 01:20:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You are assuming that a signal is an event in using it for your scheduler > and are in fact screwing up as a result. The occurrence of a signal condition gives us an _opportunity_ to check if there is another thread that should run instead of the running thread. Async I/O gives us the same opportunity. I don't think we are "screwing up as a result". > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 13:44:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA11580 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:44:53 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA11571 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:44:48 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA02182; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:41:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511202141.OAA02182@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au (John Birrell) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:41:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511202102.IAA16453@werple.net.au> from "John Birrell" at Nov 21, 95 08:06:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 765 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > You are assuming that a signal is an event in using it for your scheduler > > and are in fact screwing up as a result. > > The occurrence of a signal condition gives us an _opportunity_ to check if > there is another thread that should run instead of the running thread. Async > I/O gives us the same opportunity. I don't think we are "screwing up as a > result". Actually, the occurance of a signal condittion give you the _opportunity_ to set a flag. Then you check the flag on a blocking call *not* in the signal handler before actually making the call to decide to do the context switch, and the problem goes away. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 13:48:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA11945 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:48:36 -0800 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA11923 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:48:23 -0800 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA11070; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:48:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:48:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Really easy stupid one. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How to change maxdatasize? I looked at sysctl, and didn't see anything. I just want to bump the maximum process size. LINT didn't have anything obvious either. ANy tip appreciated. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 14:15:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA15019 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:15:49 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA14982 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:15:38 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02255; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:14:22 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511202214.PAA02255@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: ffs_truncate problem? To: hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:14:22 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1040 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In /sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c in ffs_truncate(): oip->i_flag |= IN_CHANGE | IN_UPDATE; error = VOP_UPDATE(ovp, &tv, &tv, 1); if (error) allerror = error; /* * Having written the new inode to disk, save its new configuration * and put back the old block pointers long enough to process them. * Note that we save the new block configuration so we can check it * when we are done. */ bcopy((caddr_t)&oip->i_db[0], (caddr_t)newblks, sizeof newblks); bcopy((caddr_t)oldblks, (caddr_t)&oip->i_db[0], sizeof oldblks); oip->i_size = osize; vflags = ((length > 0) ? V_SAVE : 0) | V_SAVEMETA; allerror = vinvalbuf(ovp, vflags, ap->a_cred, ap->a_p, 0, 0); When truncating a file short. Does is strike anyone as odd that the code keeps going if the VOP_UPDATE fails? This *might* explain the read-only NFS mount file truncation. Basically the error (if any) from VOP_UPDATE() is ignored. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 14:25:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA16202 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:25:41 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA16189 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:25:36 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA03294 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:25:32 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA13690 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:24:11 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA18754 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:24:10 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id UAA02693; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:45:05 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511201945.UAA02693@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:45:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <5932.816876689@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 06:11:29 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > countries, perhaps? A French version and, of course, Italian? I I already posted (in english for lack of time) the announce in the french BSD newsgroup. > addresses like ``anmerkung@de.freebsd.org'' to DTRT. C'mon, folks, > let's get more regional resources online and put them under the > "umbrella" of freebsd.org! One mail exchanger and majordomo server > per country is all it takes! I'm not the maintainer of a particular machine in France, but I think we could do that on this one. We already have fr.comp.os.bsd here (not that much traffic though as tehre are many more Linux users in France tan BSD users). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 15:47:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA25175 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:47:51 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA25164 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:47:44 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04744; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:47:30 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511202347.PAA04744@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Notion of time in kernel + malloc To: Andres.Vega_Garcia@sophia.inria.fr (Andres Vega Garcia) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:47:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511201935.UAA16241@fun.inria.fr> from "Andres Vega Garcia" at Nov 20, 95 08:35:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1989 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, I'm adding some code to the kernel in order to modify the > packet scheduling policy (currently FIFO) to Fair Queueing, and I > need to have a notion of time (seconds (or tens of seconds) elapsed > since ...). > > => Can I use just gettimeofday?, or there is a better way? > (The #ifdef in sys/time.h disables the prototype for gettimeofday > when KERNEL is defined) the variable structure (struct timeval) time; can be examined directly to give time to the nearest 'tick' (100hz usually) however, calling the "microtime()" function (in /sys/i386/i386/microtime.s) will give you the value in 'time' updated to the nearest microsecond (within a certain error or course) where just reading 'time' will give you the last time that variable was updated.. using "microtime()" has of course the problem that it uses more cpu time.. On a pentium, microtime uses the pentium's Usec timer and is a lot quicker.. > > I have realized that in order to do malloc I need the "kernel" call > to malloc. As this is related with the ethernet drivers (and ppp), I > decided to use: > > malloc(sizeof(fs_ctx_t),M_DEVBUF,M_KERNEL) for the main structures No M_KERNEL is not the class as M_NOWAIT see /sys/sys/malloc.h M_NOWAIT says that if ther is no RAM an ERROR might be returned (result == 0) where M_WAITOK says that it will NEVER FAIL becaues it will wait until memory becomes available.. M_WAITOK MUST be called from the contect of a process and not from interrupt context. I don't know what M_KERNEL is but it's only used within the vm system that I can see. > and > malloc(sizeof(fs_ses_t),M_DEVBUF,M_NOWAIT) for the secondary > > => Is the above right? > > Thank you > ------- > Andres Vega Garcia INRIA - Sophia Antipolis > 2004, Route des Lucioles B.P. 93 > 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France > avega@sophia.inria.fr (+33)93.65.76.78 Fax:(+33)93.65.77.65 > or 66 > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 15:59:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA25879 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:59:15 -0800 Received: from werple.net.au (0@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA25868 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:59:06 -0800 Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id KAA22558 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:06:58 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199511202306.KAA22558@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA15279; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:10:54 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:10:53 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511202141.OAA02182@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 20, 95 02:41:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, the occurance of a signal condittion give you the _opportunity_ > to set a flag. But not necessarily an opportunity to _check_ the flag. > > Then you check the flag on a blocking call *not* in the signal handler > before actually making the call to decide to do the context switch, and > the problem goes away. But if the running thread is not about to do any blocking calls, then it can only be preempted by making a decision in the signal handler. The signal handler has to perform the context switch. How else can we time slice between two threads each doing while(1); ?? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 16:21:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA27675 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:21:45 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27666 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:21:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09952; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:21:07 -0800 To: Ollivier Robert cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:45:04 +0100." <199511201945.UAA02693@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:21:06 -0800 Message-ID: <9950.816913266@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > countries, perhaps? A French version and, of course, Italian? I > > I already posted (in english for lack of time) the announce in the french > BSD newsgroup. > > > addresses like ``anmerkung@de.freebsd.org'' to DTRT. C'mon, folks, > > let's get more regional resources online and put them under the > > "umbrella" of freebsd.org! One mail exchanger and majordomo server > > per country is all it takes! > > I'm not the maintainer of a particular machine in France, but I think we > could do that on this one. Well, I think we can set some minimum standards here, at least, so that anyone wishing to send me a DNS entry knows what to do *first* before contacting me: 1. The host for .freebsd.org should use majordomo to manage its list(s) so that sending mail to majordomo@.freebsd.org can be assumed to work with the same syntax (we should probably even agree to run the same version of majordomo everwhere). 2. The host should have list entries (real lists, not aliases!) for announce, hackers, stable, current, questions & bugs, at a minimum. Any other lists like "platforms" or "scsi" could be optional. If the list names are also translated (e.g. you have "frage" instead of "questions" or something), then the translated names should be done as aliases for the english names, or vice- versa. Just so long as both work at each domain contact point. 3. The host should subscribe its regional mailing lists to the main lists on freebsd.org, and those subscribers directly on the main lists should move their subscriptions to the regional contact point as soon as it's convenient. I would also like to talk with people in the various countries about appointing a region-wide ftp server as the default one. I don't know which criteria you'll use, but it would be nice if ftp..freebsd.org would go somewhere meaningful for each value of . Comments? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 16:34:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA29512 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:34:52 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA29498 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:34:49 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA02606; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:32:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511210032.RAA02606@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au (John Birrell) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:32:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511202306.KAA22555@werple.net.au> from "John Birrell" at Nov 21, 95 10:10:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 989 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, the occurance of a signal condittion give you the _opportunity_ > > to set a flag. > > But not necessarily an opportunity to _check_ the flag. > > > > > Then you check the flag on a blocking call *not* in the signal handler > > before actually making the call to decide to do the context switch, and > > the problem goes away. > > But if the running thread is not about to do any blocking calls, then it > can only be preempted by making a decision in the signal handler. The signal > handler has to perform the context switch. How else can we time slice between > two threads each doing while(1); ?? Shoot the programmer. 8-). Seriously, nothing requires that the scheduling of threads be preemptive. If you need it, you should add a system call (like SunOS has) to save and restore register state, including the FP registers. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:00:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA03274 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:48 -0800 Received: from gdwest.gd.com ([134.120.3.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA03263 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:41 -0800 Received: (from eyfarris@localhost) by gdwest.gd.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id RAA21289; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:21 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:21 -0800 From: Eblan Y Farris Message-Id: <199511210100.RAA21289@gdwest.gd.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium Motherboards Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dennis Tell us more about these motherboards, i.e. 1. Who makes them? 2. What type of cache / memory populate them? 3. BIOS 4. Peripherals attached? Generally you should not have a problem, specifically there are many MB manufacturers - some with better compatability reputatioins than others. efarris ------------------include--------------------------- Any recommendations or known FreeBSD problems with the following MBs/Chipsets with a 100Mhz Pentium: AP5CS SIS Chipset AP5C TRITON chipset P130 TRITON with Pipeline Cache Thanks Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 -----------------include - end ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:13:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA04086 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:13:16 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA04081 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:13:11 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA09058; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:03:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ollivier Robert , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9950.816913266@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Well, I think we can set some minimum standards here, at least, so that > anyone wishing to send me a DNS entry knows what to do *first* before > contacting me: > > 1. The host for .freebsd.org should use majordomo to manage > its list(s) so that sending mail to majordomo@.freebsd.org > can be assumed to work with the same syntax (we should probably > even agree to run the same version of majordomo everwhere). unless there are strong objections, i would prefer that all sites use majodomo-1.92 with perl-4.036 and the patches that are available for majordomo-1.92. i will create a port|package this week. bulk_mailer is also available as are peter's new mail queuing software programs/scripts. > 3. The host should subscribe its regional mailing lists to the > main lists on freebsd.org, and those subscribers directly on the > main lists should move their subscriptions to the regional > contact point as soon as it's convenient. i have not yet had a chance to play with a source-routing traceroute or to sendmail to myself by way of two sites in, say, australia. i have heard horror stories about non-us connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the usa. is this really teh case ?? if so regional majordomo's need to reflect the net topology more closely than a simple divison along political boundaries. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:17:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA04360 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:17:53 -0800 Received: from chemserv.umd.edu (chemserv.umd.edu [129.2.64.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA04344 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:17:50 -0800 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by chemserv.umd.edu (8.7.1/8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22498 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.6.4) id UAA16425; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:17:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: libc -- db Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was looking around, and on ftp.cs.berkeley.edu, I found the source for our version of the db routines. Well, it wasn't our source, really, our source is 1.74, and this thing was version 1.85, so I was curious, and downloaded it (I think it was /pub/4bsd/db.tar.gz). Anyhow, with a small change (bringing in a current version of cdefs.h), it built without a whimper. Is there a reason that this guy oughtn't to be brought into -current? It's there with manpages and docs, ready to fit in. Even some nice postscript writeups, detailing the innards, and comparing it to the eariler dbm, ndbm, and gdbm. ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:35:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA05629 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:35:37 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA05624 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:35:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00359; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:35:03 -0800 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Ollivier Robert , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:03:19 EST." Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:35:03 -0800 Message-ID: <357.816917703@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > i will create a port|package this week. > > bulk_mailer is also available as are peter's new mail queuing > software programs/scripts. That will be a big help, thanks! I'd be happy if you could work with the regional sysops to actually make all of this work! :-) > if so regional majordomo's need to reflect the net topology more > closely than a simple divison along political boundaries. Just so the load's off freefall, I don't really mind how the topology is arranged! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:40:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA05992 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:40:48 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA05974 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:40:23 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA19964; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:37:26 +1100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:37:26 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511210137.MAA19964@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Andres.Vega_Garcia@sophia.inria.fr, julian@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: Notion of time in kernel + malloc Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >the variable structure (struct timeval) time; >can be examined directly to give time to the nearest 'tick' (100hz usually) It shouldn't be examined directly since direct access is not atomic. You must use int s = splclock(); struct timeval temp_tv = time; splx(s); >however, calling the "microtime()" function >(in /sys/i386/i386/microtime.s) will give you the value in 'time' >updated to the nearest microsecond (within a certain error or course) >where just reading 'time' will give you the last time that >variable was updated.. microtime() is more accurate and slower. `time' is updated every 10 ms. Thus `time' will be 0-10 ms behind the time given by microtime(). >using "microtime()" has of course the problem that it uses more cpu time.. >On a pentium, microtime uses the pentium's Usec timer and is a lot quicker.. On a pentium, microtime uses the pentium's cycle counter and is a lot quicker than microtime on a non-pentium and a bit slower than directly accessing `time'. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:50:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA06699 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:50:40 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06693 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:50:36 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA10085; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:40:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ollivier Robert , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <357.816917703@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > i will create a port|package this week. > > > > bulk_mailer is also available as are peter's new mail queuing > > software programs/scripts. > > That will be a big help, thanks! I'd be happy if you could work > with the regional sysops to actually make all of this work! :-) my pleasure! Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:56:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA07182 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:56:48 -0800 Received: from twirl.io.org (root@twirl.io.org [198.133.36.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA07171 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:56:29 -0800 Received: from flinch (flinch.io.org [198.133.36.153]) by twirl.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04624; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:55:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@flinch To: Bruce Evans cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: free vnode isn't In-Reply-To: <199511200545.QAA32683@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > > It always was bogus. Defining CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX in > informs interested applications that these limits are fixed. Applications > can reasonably allocate arrays of size CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX at compile > time iff the limits are fixed. This would break if someone increases the > limits. So how can increasing this break anything? If an application limits itself to the assumption that a user can own 40 processes at a time, having the limit set to 256 shouldn't hurt. In other words, does it matter whether the default CHILD_MAX is 256, or that I type "unlimit" first to raise it to 256? > >what is the recommended > >method for raising the default resource limits for a user then? > > setrlimit(2) and sh(1) (ulimit). This only affects subsequent activities though. Once I logout, the limits are dropped back to the default settings. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 17:58:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA07236 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:58:24 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA07231 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:58:21 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA02761; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:53:50 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511210153.SAA02761@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Notion of time in kernel + malloc To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:53:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: Andres.Vega_Garcia@sophia.inria.fr, julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511210137.MAA19964@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 21, 95 12:37:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 786 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >the variable structure (struct timeval) time; > >can be examined directly to give time to the nearest 'tick' (100hz usually) > > It shouldn't be examined directly since direct access is not atomic. You > must use > > int s = splclock(); > struct timeval temp_tv = time; > splx(s); Yep. This is why I said access should be macrotized. Most of the time structure references that exist in the FS and other kernel code are *incorrectly* accessing it directly. Since everyone is already doing it, another violator won't really hurt anything... it will show up in the grep when someone decides to really fix everything to do it correctly. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 18:03:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA07637 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:03:31 -0800 Received: from werple.net.au (0@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA07629 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:03:27 -0800 Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA29492 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:06:36 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199511210106.MAA29492@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA19638; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:10:31 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: lambert.org!terry@werple.net.au (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:10:30 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511210032.RAA02606@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 20, 95 05:32:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > two threads each doing while(1); ?? > > Shoot the programmer. 8-). Attempted suicide is against the law here - I'm a rotten shot. 8-). > > Seriously, nothing requires that the scheduling of threads be preemptive. We have process control software that runs really nicely with preemptive time slicing. I'll concede that its not _required_, but I like the way the software runs as is. > > If you need it, you should add a system call (like SunOS has) to save > and restore register state, including the FP registers. We're doing as the MIT pthreads code does (__asm__ fsave/frstor) to save and restore the FP state on entering the scheduler from the real signal handler. So far we don't see a problem on the 486 we are using. It's the coprocessor problem that Bruce was pointing out that we can't cope with. We're treating that as a limitation and pressing on... > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 18:39:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA12050 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:39:55 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12023 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:39:47 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA23764; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:34:59 +1100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:34:59 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511210234.NAA23764@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, taob@io.org Subject: Re: panic: free vnode isn't Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So how can increasing this break anything? If an application >limits itself to the assumption that a user can own 40 processes at a >time, having the limit set to 256 shouldn't hurt. In other words, The 41th process would fail to fit in a table with space for 40. >does it matter whether the default CHILD_MAX is 256, or that I type >"unlimit" first to raise it to 256? The kernel option CHILD_MAX doesn't change CHILD_MAX. It changes MAXUPRC. To change the default CHILD_MAX, you would have to change it in and recompile all binaries that depend on it, possibly including BSDI, ibcs2 and Linux ones. Changing MAXUPRC has the same effect as typing `ulimit -u 256' in sh before starting _every_ process. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 18:58:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA14507 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:58:20 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA14466 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:58:03 -0800 From: StevenR362@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA19156; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:57:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <951120215530_112266714@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pseudo SLIP Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 95-11-20 02:22:34 EST, you write: >I am looking for a public domain pseudo slip package I want to run >on the 2.0. Could anybody recommend me one? > >Regards, Alex > > If you are looking for just user mode slip then use slirp. It can be found at ftp://blitzen.canberra.edu.au/pub/slirp Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 19:02:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA15074 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:02:38 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA15054 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:02:31 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA12703; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:01:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199511210301.TAA12703@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:01:55 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:01:46 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Marc G. Fournier" said: > On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier writes: > > > > > > Actually, the user interface itself is perfect, if it wasn't > > > hidden inside the Installation interface, and required you to commit > > > to an install in order for it to add your drive... > > > > Yes, that's the way I'd do it too. It doesn't seem to be too much > > trouble to tear the disk stuff out and make a standalone program that > > didn't also try to install software on it. > > > > > ...and, as to "what everybody else is using"...as you mention > > > below...how many ppl know about the "wizard" mode that is in 2.0.5's > > > sysinstall? I found out about it in IRC last night, chatting with > > > Gary and a few others... > > > > Well, I still don't know what it is. Anybody care to tell us, or do > > you have to be a wizard for that? > > Since its not required in 2.1, its kind of useless to advertise > the feature. The main problem...it basically puts you into "raw" mode > in relation to your drive, so, if, like with fdisk/disklabel, you really > know what you are doing with your drive, then you are fine...but if that > is the case, fdisk/disklabel will work for you too :) fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 19:10:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA16096 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:10:27 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA16042 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:10:03 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA08724; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:08:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:08:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-Reply-To: <199511210301.TAA12703@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required > FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... > I've taken the sysinstall code, pulled everything out of it that I figured I could safely take out, and left in the Partition and Label Disk options of the "Custom" menu and recompiled it. It seems to work, but won't know for sure until tomorrow, or the next day, when I get a new drive to test it on. At least you don't have to look for it before using it...and you don't get the false sense that you have to install the operating system to add a disk. I'm not much good at those Copyright notices, so unless I get explicit permission (or instructions) on distributing my "hack" from Jordan...its going to have to stay "in house"...which is more a hint/hope that Jordan will send me email since I don't know who he is, and there is no email address apparent in the code... Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 19:13:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA16479 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:13:02 -0800 Received: from wink.io.org (root@wink.io.org [198.133.36.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA16473 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:12:58 -0800 Received: from flinch (flinch.io.org [198.133.36.153]) by wink.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22741; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:07:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@flinch To: Bruce Evans cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: free vnode isn't In-Reply-To: <199511210234.NAA23764@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Bruce Evans wrote: > > The 41th process would fail to fit in a table with space for 40. So doing an "unlimit" before running a program with this kind of table would also cause it to fail? > Changing MAXUPRC has the same effect as typing `ulimit -u 256' in > sh before starting _every_ process. Would changing MAXUPRC be better then? Calling ulimit or setrlimit before each process isn't really practical. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:01:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA29395 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:01:43 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA29385 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:01:37 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA21782; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:52:53 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511210452.EAA21782@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:52:53 +0000 () Cc: scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511210301.TAA12703@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 20, 95 07:01:46 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 696 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required > FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... I can do that, if I can find the guy around here with the card hardware. We still support 80-column ttys, so the heritage link is there. > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" -Terry Lambert UNIX: live FreeBSD or die! [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:14:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA00912 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:14:30 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA00902 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:14:21 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00739; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:10:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199511210510.VAA00739@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:08:24 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:10:06 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Marc G. Fournier" said: > On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required > > FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... > > > > I've taken the sysinstall code, pulled everything out of it > that I figured I could safely take out, and left in the Partition and > Label Disk options of the "Custom" menu and recompiled it. It seems to > work, but won't know for sure until tomorrow, or the next day, when I > get a new drive to test it on. > > At least you don't have to look for it before using it...and > you don't get the false sense that you have to install the operating > system to add a disk. > > I'm not much good at those Copyright notices, so unless I get > explicit permission (or instructions) on distributing my "hack" from > Jordan...its going to have to stay "in house"...which is more a hint/hope > that Jordan will send me email since I don't know who he is, and there > is no email address apparent in the code... > Gosh, don't forget to file a patent --- I wish I was kidding :) Good Job!!! Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:21:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA01444 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:21:37 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA01433 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:21:26 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id GAA23241; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:21:22 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA15335; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:21:21 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA14388; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:23:33 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210023.BAA14388@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: lutz@muc.de (Lutz Albers) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:23:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Lutz Albers" at Nov 20, 95 05:01:18 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1930 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Lutz Albers wrote: > > -sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe > -it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a > -fresh installation... > > Then, if you don't mind, please give us the magic incarnations you need to > tame this awful two-headed beast (fdisk/disklabel). I generally ignore fdisk(8) entirely, since i don't know what a DOS partition is. :-) I setup a disktab entry, where the most important figure is the su# capability, telling the exact number of sectors the new disk has. (This number is announced at boot time.) The remaining "geometry" values are garbage anyway. Once su# is there, you can probably use pom(6) or random(4) to determine them... :) Finally, the disktab entry needs to be partitioned, according to the intented use of the disk. The `c' partition must start at offset 0, and extend to the very last block (su# - 1). Then, i run disklabel -r -w -B sdXX mydisktablabel This usually gives a single "bad magic" warning for the first time. Finally, run newfs for all file systems. Ignore all warnings about ``disagrees with disklabel'' (pre-2.1 newfs version), or about unallocated sectors (well, that's more serious, but for a 2-gig disk, i usually don't care about a lost megabyte). Poor BIOS-dependant users have to care for fdisk(8) as well. Use the same "geometry" as other systems on the same disk would use. Invent ficticuous ending sector/head/cylinder numbers if your BSD slice extends beyond the reach of BIOS. 63/15/1023 for example. No guarantee on this part, i think it's more than a year ago that i've had to setup a disk that was to be shared with other systems. Of course, for bootable disks, all that less than ficticuous cylinder 1024 mess applies. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:22:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA01493 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:22:18 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA01482 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:22:10 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id GAA23237 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:21:17 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA15334 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:21:17 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA14287 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:10:21 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210010.BAA14287@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:10:20 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <5932.816876689@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 06:11:29 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1055 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Minor note, Jordan: the mail headers were lying, i've cancelled the posting to the hackers list since i did't think there are too many German readers here... so you've been the only one who's got _this_.) As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It also makes me wonder though.. We have all these bugs, questions, > hackers, etc. lists in the U.S., but why not create local counterparts > to all of them for non-english speakers? At least for the German region, i don't see an urgent need by now. We could perhaps create a _single_ German list, but everything else is probably overkill. The BSD topics are continuously present in de.comp.os.unix (which is not an overcrowded group at all, fortunately). Should we consider creating such a list some day, i strongly vote for aliasing @de.freebsd.org to some German university's mailing list server, to avoid transatlantic traffic where possible. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:22:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA01527 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:22:28 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA01504 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:22:22 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id GAA23257; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:21:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA15339; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:21:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA14607; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:34:03 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210034.BAA14607@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Pseudo SLIP To: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za (A. Radovanovic) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:34:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9511200659.AA36128@risc6.unisa.ac.za> from "A. Radovanovic" at Nov 20, 95 08:59:50 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 330 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As A. Radovanovic wrote: > > I am looking for a public domain pseudo slip package I want to run > on the 2.0. Could anybody recommend me one? What's ``pseudo SLIP''? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:35:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA03117 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:35:56 -0800 Received: from flowbee.interaccess.com (joeg@flowbee.interaccess.com [198.80.0.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA03091 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:35:41 -0800 Received: (from joeg@localhost) by flowbee.interaccess.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) id XAA12358 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:25:44 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199511210525.XAA12358@flowbee.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:25:44 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: joeg@truenorth.org In-Reply-To: <3584.816821326@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 19, 95 02:48:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >Could it be? Could the long-awaited release of FreeBSD 2.1 truly have >arrived? > >It gives me great pleasure to answer those questions with a "yes!" > >FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE is now available on ftp.freebsd.org and various >FTP mirror sites throughout the world. It can also be ordered on CD >from Walnut Creek CDROM, from where it will be shipping shortly. > [ DELETED ] Well Done!! -- Josef Grosch - joeg@truenorth.org | "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg | - John Warfin - ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:43:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA05310 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:43:47 -0800 Received: from psychotic.communica.com.au (root@gw.communica.com.au [203.8.94.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA05268 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:43:33 -0800 Received: from communica.com.au (newton@frenzy [192.82.222.1]) by psychotic.communica.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02572; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:12:43 +1030 Received: by communica.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14290; Tue, 21 Nov 95 16:12:30 CDT From: newton@communica.com.au (Mark Newton) Message-Id: <9511210542.AA14290@communica.com.au> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:12:29 +1030 (CST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511210452.EAA21782@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 21, 95 04:52:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 907 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > > fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required > > FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... > > I can do that, if I can find the guy around here with the card hardware. You can't even get your half-inch tape drive working with FreeBSD. Why should we sit back and assume you can get us booting from punch-cards? :-) [ Hey! At least we'd then have a device that we support which Linux doesn't ] > We still support 80-column ttys, so the heritage link is there. Ah, but can you *boot* from them? [ I prefer front-panel toggle switches myself... ] - mark --- Mark Newton Email: newton@communica.com.au Systems Engineer Phone: +61-8-373-2523 Communica Systems WWW: http://www.communica.com.au From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 21:49:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA07765 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:49:48 -0800 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07733 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:49:36 -0800 Received: from pipe4.h1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id FAA28022; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:47:18 GMT Received: (root@localhost) by pipe4.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA19703; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:43:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:43:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199511210543.AAA19703@pipe4.h1.usa.pipeline.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD development. . . From: sonix@usa.pipeline.com (Peter Hudson) X-PipeUser: sonix X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Peter Hudson) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.3.0 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am intersted in joining the development of FreeBSD. Please send me any info. Thankyou. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 22:20:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA17721 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:20:10 -0800 Received: from pinch.io.org (root@pinch.io.org [198.133.36.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA17660 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:20:00 -0800 Received: from flinch (flinch.io.org [198.133.36.153]) by pinch.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA08152; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:19:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:18:48 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@flinch Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org To: FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE-L , FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE mirror at freebsd.io.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article , Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Canada > > Y + ftp://ftp.synapse.net/contrib/FreeBSD > Contact: evanc@synapse.net. I have setup an unofficial mirror of the 2.1.0-RELEASE distribution in ftp://freebsd.io.org/pub/systems/FreeBSD/. Customer sites of UUNET Canada or other CA*Net providers are particularly encouraged to use this archive since we have very good connectivity to uunet.ca's backbone. Please send problem reports and comments to admin@io.org. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 20 23:56:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA21909 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:56:38 -0800 Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA21904 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:56:34 -0800 Received: from myrtilos.cs.utwente.nl by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (SMI-8.6/csrelayMX-SVR4_1.1tmp/RB) id IAA11783; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:55:36 +0100 Received: from curie.cs.utwente.nl by myrtilos.cs.utwente.nl (SMI-8.6/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id IAA22268; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:55:34 +0100 Received: from localhost by curie.cs.utwente.nl (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01207; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:55:32 +0100 To: davidg@Root.COM cc: tim@sssun.spb.su, hackers@freebsd.org, wollman@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT and linear chain of TCPCBs (was: ...beat a WEB server to death) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:44:01 PST." <199511181944.LAA00714@corbin.Root.COM> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1206.816940531@curie.cs.utwente.nl> From: Andras Olah Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I wasn't sure if I was expected to reply this. Anyhow, David is right. Andras On Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:44:01 PST, David Greenman wrote: > I believe the original code is correct. Occording to Stevens' TCP/IP > Illustrated when discussing this fragment: > > "There is an implied ordering of the PRC_ constants that matches the ICMP > 'code' values. This explains why 'code' is incremented by a PRC_ constant." From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:04:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA22343 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:04:32 -0800 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA22322 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:04:05 -0800 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA13056; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:03:24 +0100 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199511210803.JAA13056@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:03:23 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <5932.816876689@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 06:11:29 am Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 568 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It also makes me wonder though.. We have all these bugs, questions, > hackers, etc. lists in the U.S., but why not create local counterparts > to all of them for non-english speakers? It seems unfair to ONLY have > english lists, and no more local resources. Worth a try. But even more than local mailing lists I'd like to see local mail exploders for the current lists. Maybe one for each continent. Subscription to @freebsd.org should automatically be routed to the appropriate mail exploder depending on the country code. tg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:11:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA22739 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:11:57 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA22731 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:11:53 -0800 Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0tHnnx-0003vnC; Tue, 21 Nov 95 00:11 PST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03320; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:11:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: lutz@muc.de (Lutz Albers), freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:23:32 +0100." <199511210023.BAA14388@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3318.816941504@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > As Lutz Albers wrote: > > > > -sysinstall and libdisk are an entirely different thing. But believe > > -it or not, all of us still use the terrible interface, except for a > > -fresh installation... There used to be a little test-driver for the libdisk used by sysinstall in src/release/sysinstall/libdisk, try to "make tst01". Completely undocumented though. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:14:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA22983 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:14:01 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA22976 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:13:57 -0800 Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0tHnpC-0003viC; Tue, 21 Nov 95 00:13 PST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03333; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:13:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: newton@communica.com.au (Mark Newton) cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:12:29 +1030." <9511210542.AA14290@communica.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:13:00 +0100 Message-ID: <3331.816941580@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Michael Smith wrote: > > > Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > > > fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required > > > FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... > > > > I can do that, if I can find the guy around here with the card hardware. > > You can't even get your half-inch tape drive working with FreeBSD. > Why should we sit back and assume you can get us booting from punch-cards? > :-) > > [ Hey! At least we'd then have a device that we support which Linux doesn't > ] > > > We still support 80-column ttys, so the heritage link is there. > > Ah, but can you *boot* from them? You have never tried "boot -x" then ? You're supposed type in your kernel in uuencoded form... :-) Yes, I know, ... I actually COULD be usable :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:15:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA23076 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:15:23 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA23066 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:15:19 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA22170 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:13:03 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511210813.IAA22170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:13:03 +0000 () Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com In-Reply-To: <9511210542.AA14290@communica.com.au> from "Mark Newton" at Nov 21, 95 04:12:29 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1060 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mark Newton stands accused of saying: > > Michael Smith wrote: > > I can do that, if I can find the guy around here with the card hardware. > > You can't even get your half-inch tape drive working with FreeBSD. > Why should we sit back and assume you can get us booting from punch-cards? > :-) Argh, insulted publically too! I did too have it working; it just wouldn't write to the tape properly 8( And it works just fine as a table now. That only took a few hours with a screwdriver to remove the unneccessary bits 8) > [ I prefer front-panel toggle switches myself... ] You would 8) > Mark Newton Email: newton@communica.com.au -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" -Terry Lambert UNIX: live FreeBSD or die! [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:16:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA23290 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:16:55 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA23284 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:16:52 -0800 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id CAA05743; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:14:50 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511210814.CAA05743@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Pseudo SLIP To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:14:49 -0600 (CST) Cc: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511210034.BAA14607@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 21, 95 01:34:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > As A. Radovanovic wrote: > > > > I am looking for a public domain pseudo slip package I want to run > > on the 2.0. Could anybody recommend me one? > > What's ``pseudo SLIP''? It means: "pretends to be real SLIP." There are two mainstream SLIP/PPP emulators that I am aware of: tia and slirp. slirp is free, tia isn't. slirp is based on FreeBSD 2.0R networking code. :-) For those who are interested in how it works, a user compiles slirp in a standard shell account, and runs it. slirp starts a pseudo-TCP/IP session. slirp accepts TCP/IP packets from the user and evaluates them, and may use the host system's standard C library network calls (socket/bind/connect/et.al) to "proxy" for the client. The end result: you "telnet" to an address from your PC at home, slirp interprets the connection request, and opens a TCP socket from the host system to the requested destination. It then passes data back and forth, encapsulating it within reasonable SLIP packets on your PC's side, using standard user-level system calls on the host side. It spoofs having a real SLIP connection. Quite a nifty little concept. It has a number of (dis)advantages. Since the host system is acting as a "proxy", no additional IP addresses are required. All requests appear to real Internet systems as though they come from the host system - because they do. The slirp client sees a standard SLIP connection (which can't do certain things, mostly those things that would require an Internet host to initiate a connection to an arbitrary port on the slirp client). ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:28:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA24361 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:28:25 -0800 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA24352 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:28:18 -0800 Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09206; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:22:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199511210822.JAA09206@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:22:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: newton@communica.com.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3331.816941580@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Nov 21, 95 09:13:00 am From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 974 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Poul-Henning Kamp who wrote: > > > You can't even get your half-inch tape drive working with FreeBSD. > > Why should we sit back and assume you can get us booting from punch-cards? > > :-) > > > > [ Hey! At least we'd then have a device that we support which Linux doesn't > > ] > > > > > We still support 80-column ttys, so the heritage link is there. > > > > Ah, but can you *boot* from them? > > You have never tried "boot -x" then ? > > You're supposed type in your kernel in uuencoded form... > > :-) > > Yes, I know, ... I actually COULD be usable :-) > YEAHHH! that way I can use the barcode reader lying here somewhere to boot of all that code that sits on everything !! Ever tried to boot a bottle of coke ?? :) :) :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:30:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA24464 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:30:32 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA24459 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:30:28 -0800 Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0tHo5f-0003viC; Tue, 21 Nov 95 00:30 PST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03408; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:30:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: sos@freebsd.org cc: newton@communica.com.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:22:58 +0100." <199511210822.JAA09206@ra.dkuug.dk> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:30:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3406.816942602@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > We still support 80-column ttys, so the heritage link is there. > > > > > > Ah, but can you *boot* from them? > > > > You have never tried "boot -x" then ? > > > > You're supposed type in your kernel in uuencoded form... > > > > :-) > > > > Yes, I know, ... I actually COULD be usable :-) > > > > YEAHHH! that way I can use the barcode reader lying here somewhere to > boot of all that code that sits on everything !! > Ever tried to boot a bottle of coke ?? :) :) :) Think about this: COM_CONSOLE with a modem on the console... It proved usefull to me once on an apollo... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:52:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA26420 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:52:08 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26367 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:51:34 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA01036; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:28 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA16213; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:27 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17115; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:35:04 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210835.JAA17115@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Really easy stupid one. To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:35:03 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Nov 20, 95 01:48:22 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 629 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > How to change maxdatasize? I looked at sysctl, and didn't see anything. > > I just want to bump the maximum process size. LINT didn't have anything > obvious either. The constants are in . Basically, options "MAXDSIZ='(128UL*1024*1024)'" would give you the equivalent of how it's defined there. The macros are protected by #ifdef's, so you can override them from config. Make sure to recompile everything... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:52:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA26598 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:52:33 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26371 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:51:40 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA01001 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:14 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA16203 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:13 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16658 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:54 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210753.IAA16658@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:53 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9950.816913266@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 04:21:06 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1355 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > 1. The host for .freebsd.org should use majordomo to manage > its list(s) so that sending mail to majordomo@.freebsd.org > can be assumed to work with the same syntax (we should probably > even agree to run the same version of majordomo everwhere). That seems fine to me. > 3. The host should subscribe its regional mailing lists to the > main lists on freebsd.org, and those subscribers directly on the > main lists should move their subscriptions to the regional > contact point as soon as it's convenient. Hmm, how do we avoid mail loops? > I would also like to talk with people in the various countries about > appointing a region-wide ftp server as the default one. I don't know > which criteria you'll use, but it would be nice if ftp..freebsd.org > would go somewhere meaningful for each value of . ad-hoc, i'd say ftp.germany.eu.net would be a reasonable default server for Germany. It's not on the official mirror list, but i know that they are mirroring the distributions. Short of this, "kuku"'s gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de would also be possible (but i'm afraid of overloading it -- Christoph?). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:53:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA26690 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:53:39 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26671 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:53:17 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA01021; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:21 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA16210; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:21 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16674; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:56:22 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210756.IAA16674@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:56:21 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Nov 20, 95 08:03:19 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 840 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > i have not yet had a chance to play with a source-routing > traceroute or to sendmail to myself by way of two sites in, say, > australia. i have heard horror stories about non-us > connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the > usa. is this really teh case ?? Unfortunately, yes. :-( At least here, several upcoming providers start with a leased line to US (or UK in one case) in order to provide their connectivity. National interconnections often follow years behind. (One of these providers was able to establish these interconnections meanwhile, at least to other ones are still being routed via US.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 00:57:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA27004 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:57:27 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26781 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:54:59 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA01026 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:24 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA16211 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:51:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16736 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:59:40 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511210759.IAA16736@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: And the ftp.freebsd.org stats for Monday.. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:59:40 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <6348.816881600@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 07:33:20 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 357 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > So maybe we should see both days together - do you have the Monday > announce? I thought that *was* monday. Hmmmm.. It was. At least, for the Australians. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 01:44:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA00935 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:44:25 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA00334 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:41:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA12186; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:31:51 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511210931.KAA12186@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:31:51 +0100 (MET) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9950.816913266@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 04:20:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1106 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > > countries, perhaps? A French version and, of course, Italian? I I don't like very much the idea of translated lists, except, perhaps, for announces. The use of national languages prevents the exchange of information among people. I agree that a national "questions" list may be useful, but probably a newsgroup can serve the purpose better than a mailing list (where you have to subscribe first to use it). While I am not willing to maintain mailing lists at the moment, I can I can check here if people agrees to allocate resources (disk) for an FTP server. Apart from computing resources, how much disk space do you think we need to provide for this ? Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 02:10:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA04694 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:10:10 -0800 Received: from mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de (mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.250.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA04649 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:09:43 -0800 Received: from ambixpc2.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:46:09 +0100 Received: (from zrncl01@localhost) by ambixpc2.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA01673; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:46:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:46:05 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Class To: Joerg Wunsch cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-Reply-To: <199511210010.BAA14287@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > (Minor note, Jordan: the mail headers were lying, i've cancelled the > posting to the hackers list since i did't think there are too many > German readers here... so you've been the only one who's got _this_.) > > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > It also makes me wonder though.. We have all these bugs, questions, > > hackers, etc. lists in the U.S., but why not create local counterparts > > to all of them for non-english speakers? > > At least for the German region, i don't see an urgent need by now. We > could perhaps create a _single_ German list, but everything else is > probably overkill. The BSD topics are continuously present in > de.comp.os.unix (which is not an overcrowded group at all, > fortunately). Well, as one of the the german readers, I would vote for not having more than one german group. I would expect that almost all of the "hakers" here are able to read and write in english and having the same discussions in german and english would double the effort of the ones that answer the questions. Micha ------------------------------------------------------------------------- michael class michael.class@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de ZDV Uni-Tuebingen, Morgenstelle C2-P28, Tel. +49 7071 29-7539 PGP-Public-Key: finger Michael.Class@x500.uni-tuebingen.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 02:35:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA05957 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:35:42 -0800 Received: from wiley.muc.ditec.de (wiley.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA05941 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:35:29 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([139.92.42.164]) by wiley.muc.ditec.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02039; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:34:50 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02664; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:33:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199511162233.XAA02664@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: jhs@freebsd.org Subject: Would anyone buy a ported Wind River `Tornado' real time package ? Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-mailer: EXMH [version 1.6.4 10/10/95 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:33:54 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Do any of you work for companies that would want to purchase copies of Wind River Systems' `Tornado' real time software development support package, if it were to be ported to FreeBSD ? ( `Tornado' has nothing (that I know of) to do with the European fighter aircraft project of the same name). Tornado looks impressive, (there's a kind of souped up xxgdb style interface, & it can support multiple debuggers targetting one cross target processor etc. ) Wind River & Vector Systems would need to see serious customer interest, before doing the port. Whose companies would consider buying it ? Notes: - Please leave intact cc: jhs@freebsd.org - I've bcc'd this to Wind River, & will main them a summary of responses. Julian H. Stacey EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ TEL: +49.89.268616 FAX: +49.89.2608126 CONSULTANT: Internet, Unix, C POST: Vector Systems Ltd, Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 02:39:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA06455 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:39:20 -0800 Received: from wiley.muc.ditec.de (wiley.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA06450 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:39:14 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([139.92.42.164]) by wiley.muc.ditec.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02021; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:34:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02719; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:56:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199511162256.XAA02719@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: modem area code trick Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: jhs@freebsd.org, n1epo4tl@ibmmail.com X-mailer: EXMH [version 1.6.4 10/10/95 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:56:07 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is not FreeBSD specific but those round the world living near but not in large towns & using modems may appreciate it ... A friend (Stuart A. (cc'd)) is in the dial code area for his nearby city, but geographically is in a fairly distant outlying village (so distant, that the other half of the village are not in the city dial code area). He found his modem performed much better if he prepended the long distance trunk code for the city, thus dialing 089.123456 instead of just 123456. We presume he's getting better long distance trunk circuits, rather than cheaper local copper, whatever ... it works for him ! We also assume he's still paying at local call rates. Julian Julian H. Stacey EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 03:32:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA10478 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 03:32:21 -0800 Received: from strider.ibenet.it (root@strider.ibenet.it [194.179.130.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA10462 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 03:32:07 -0800 Received: (from piero@localhost) by strider.ibenet.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00871; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:04:32 +0100 From: Piero Serini Message-Id: <199511211104.MAA00871@strider.ibenet.it> Subject: Re: it.freebsd.org To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:04:31 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511210931.KAA12186@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Nov 21, 95 10:31:51 am Reply-To: piero@strider.ibenet.it Operating-System: FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 X-Phone-Number: +39 (2) 58113562 X-NCC-RegID: it.ibenet X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1866 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello/Ciao. Quoting from Luigi Rizzo (Tue Nov 21 10:31:51 1995): > > > It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > > > countries, perhaps? A French version and, of course, Italian? I > > I don't like very much the idea of translated lists, except, perhaps, > for announces. The use of national languages prevents the exchange of > information among people. I agree that a national "questions" list may > be useful, but probably a newsgroup can serve the purpose better than a > mailing list (where you have to subscribe first to use it). Non penso che un gruppo di news sia tanto meglio. Questo e' stato gia' discusso ampiamente su queste liste, e' una questione di gusto. Comunque, nulla vieta di fare un gateway mail->news. I don't think a newsgruoup is much better than a mailing list. This has already been discussed on these lists, it's just a mat- ter of personal preference. In any case, we can always setup a gateway. > While I am not willing to maintain mailing lists at the moment, I > can I can check here if people agrees to allocate resources (disk) > for an FTP server. Apart from computing resources, how much disk > space do you think we need to provide for this ? Un ftp server non e' solo questioe di disco. Comunque, 2.0.5 + 2.1.0 + X11 (per entrambe le versioni) + packages ~ 1.2 Gb qui. Fammi sapere quando sei pronto, che ti inserisco nel nameserver per it.freebsd.org. An ftp server is not a simple matter of disk. Anyway, 2.0.5 + 2.1.0 + X11 (both versions) + packages ~ 1.2 Gb on ftp.ibenet.it. Tell me when you're ready to go, I'll put your host in the DNS tables for it.freebsd.org. Bye, -- # $Id: .signature,v 1.12 1995/08/14 12:10:54 piero Exp $ Piero Serini Via Giambologna, 1 I 20136 Milano - ITALY From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 04:40:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA16468 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:40:30 -0800 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16413 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:39:57 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id EAA01831 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA12434; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:07:49 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511211207.NAA12434@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: it.freebsd.org To: piero@strider.ibenet.it Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:07:49 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511211104.MAA00871@strider.ibenet.it> from "Piero Serini" at Nov 21, 95 12:04:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Wow, Piero sent the first bilingual message on this list! > An ftp server is not a simple matter of disk. Anyway, 2.0.5 + No, but the software is free, the disk is not! Anyways, we already have a caching HTTP proxy here, so there should not be much work involved in setting up ftp access. I am more worried about two things: * we are on an academic net, I have no idea if we can show ourselves under a different domain name. * our connection with the US is very flakey. At times we have >70% of packet losses, which makes it very hard to mirror things directly from the US site. I will have to look for a source wich is connected more reliably. > 2.1.0 + X11 (both versions) + packages ~ 1.2 Gb on ftp.ibenet.it. > Tell me when you're ready to go, I'll put your host in the DNS > tables for it.freebsd.org. Although the approval might come in a matter of days, it is going to take some time before I can buy the disk and set up things. Didn't mention before, but my two months old baby is taking up much of my spare time :) Cheers Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 04:45:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA16677 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:45:04 -0800 Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16668 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:45:00 -0800 Received: from exalt.x.org by expo.x.org id AA27193; Tue, 21 Nov 95 07:44:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by exalt.x.org id MAA03497; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:44:27 GMT Message-Id: <199511211244.MAA03497@exalt.x.org> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: option XSERVER deprecated? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:44:27 EDT From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk No, apparently not. I notice that the GENERIC config in 2.1.0R had option XSERVER commented out. Yet a (very) cursory look at the kernel sources shows that XSERVER is still used and pcvt* is built differently when it's defined. (The X server did run on the GENERIC kernel just long enough build my own kernel. I didn't try switching VTs though.) Can I suggest that the kernel use the opposite logic, i.e. assume there will be an X server and build accordingly? And for those who don't run X there should be an option NOXSERVER. If I did the work would it be accepted and incorporated into the next release? -- Kaleb KEITHLEY X Consortium From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 04:53:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA17339 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:53:06 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA17300 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:52:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA02561; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:50:00 -0800 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:53 +0100." <199511210753.IAA16658@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:49:59 -0800 Message-ID: <2559.816958199@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm, how do we avoid mail loops? We'll have to be careful.. :-) > ad-hoc, i'd say ftp.germany.eu.net would be a reasonable default > server for Germany. It's not on the official mirror list, but i know > that they are mirroring the distributions. Short of this, "kuku"'s > gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de would also be possible (but i'm afraid of > overloading it -- Christoph?). Well, once you guys decide, let me know and Gary or I will start working the DNS magic from this side. We've already started to form it.freebsd.org (try pinging ftp.it.freebsd.org). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 04:55:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA17625 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:55:01 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA17610 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:54:56 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Tue, 21 Nov 95 12:55 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA13591; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:55:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211255.NAA13591@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:55:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Nov 20, 95 08:03:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2468 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > > i have heard horror stories about non-us > connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the > usa. is this really teh case ?? 'fraid so. This is how I get to Joerg, who's only about 150 miles down the road: === root@freebie (/dev/ttyp0) /stand 21 -> traceroute uriah.heep.sax.de traceroute to uriah.heep.sax.de (193.175.26.65), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 hermes.lemis.de (192.109.197.19) 3.522 ms 1.894 ms 1.850 ms 2 Raisdorf2.CLS.NET (192.129.50.34) 2507.263 ms 41.578 ms 41.536 ms 3 Raisdorf1.CLS.NET (192.129.50.33) 46.664 ms 45.847 ms 45.563 ms 4 Hamburg-gw22.maz.net (194.15.144.122) 79.062 ms 75.095 ms 78.143 ms 5 Hamburg1.maz.net (194.15.144.100) 78.861 ms 86.171 ms 77.156 ms 6 New-York3.NY.ALTER.NET (137.39.244.169) 181.794 ms 267.687 ms 196.079 ms 7 New-York3.NY.ALTER.NET (137.39.126.8) 176.465 ms 191.335 ms 401.232 ms 8 GW1.NYC1.ALTER.NET (137.39.100.6) 236.490 ms 193.469 ms 208.633 ms 9 104.Hssi3/0.GW1.DCA1.ALTER.NET (137.39.30.5) 427.670 ms 446.530 ms 384.081 ms 10 Vienna6.VA.ALTER.NET (137.39.100.78) 209.419 ms 265.217 ms 284.001 ms 11 Vienna1.VA.ALTER.NET (137.39.11.1) 259.622 ms 187.047 ms 397.427 ms 12 mae-east-rt2.es.net (192.41.177.252) 287.423 ms 260.292 ms 225.284 ms 13 pppl2-umd2.es.net (134.55.12.161) 316.545 ms 283.382 ms 285.055 ms 14 ipgate2.win-ip.dfn.de (192.188.33.10) 505.446 ms 336.896 ms 325.280 ms 15 * Duesseldorf7.win-ip.dfn.de (193.174.74.207) 343.652 ms 330.097 ms 16 cisco.URZ.TU-Dresden.DE (188.1.132.209) 757.769 ms 682.934 ms 619.556 ms 17 cisco.inf.tu-dresden.de (141.30.68.13) 985.252 ms 864.658 ms 777.847 ms 18 sax.sax.de (193.175.26.33) 800.826 ms * 888.216 ms 19 cisco.inf.tu-dresden.de (141.76.1.1) 998.726 ms 891.402 ms 975.781 ms 20 sax.sax.de (193.175.26.33) 1014.949 ms * 1570.435 ms 21 cisco.inf.tu-dresden.de (141.76.1.1) 1415.040 ms 1808.895 ms 1688.172 ms 22 * sax.sax.de (193.175.26.33) 947.967 ms 1640.747 ms > if so regional majordomo's need to reflect the net topology more > closely than a simple divison along political boundaries. There's also a question of net load. If you look at the figures above, you'll notice that the time from me to ipgate2.win-ip.dfn.de was under .5 second. From there to sax.sax.de (all inside Germany, in the DFN), things rapidly go to hell. I'm told that this is a normal state of affairs. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 05:00:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA18122 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:00:09 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA18060 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:00:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA02534; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:47:07 -0800 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:31:51 +0100." <199511210931.KAA12186@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:47:07 -0800 Message-ID: <2532.816958027@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > > > countries, perhaps? A French version and, of course, Italian? I > > I don't like very much the idea of translated lists, except, perhaps, > for announces. The use of national languages prevents the exchange of > information among people. I agree that a national "questions" list may > be useful, but probably a newsgroup can serve the purpose better than a > mailing list (where you have to subscribe first to use it). I don't see this as a translation gateway, however. There are a lot of people who's command of english prohibits them from participating in the general discussion, and it would be certainly nice if there was *someplace* for them to go where they could post a question in Italian and get a reply in the same language from someone on the regional list. We need to make FreeBSD *more* friendly, and to me that means the ability to support users more effectively through regional user groups (that actually meet face to face) and mailing lists where problems can be discussed in any language from croat to french. > for an FTP server. Apart from computing resources, how much disk > space do you think we need to provide for this ? 300MB? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 05:08:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA18802 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:08:36 -0800 Received: from strider.ibenet.it (root@strider.ibenet.it [194.179.130.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA18776 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:08:17 -0800 Received: (from piero@localhost) by strider.ibenet.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01070; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:54:11 +0100 From: Piero Serini Message-Id: <199511211254.NAA01070@strider.ibenet.it> Subject: Re: it.freebsd.org To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:54:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: piero@strider.ibenet.it, jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511211207.NAA12434@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Nov 21, 95 01:07:49 pm Reply-To: piero@strider.ibenet.it Operating-System: FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 X-Phone-Number: +39 (2) 58113562 X-NCC-RegID: it.ibenet X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1026 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Quoting from Luigi Rizzo (Tue Nov 21 13:07:49 1995): > Wow, Piero sent the first bilingual message on this list! ;-) > > An ftp server is not a simple matter of disk. Anyway, 2.0.5 + > > No, but the software is free, the disk is not! Anyways, we already ... > * our connection with the US is very flakey. At times we have >70% of > packet losses, which makes it very hard to mirror things directly > from the US site. I will have to look for a source wich is connected That's what I meant: not a simple matter of disk, there's some network resource involved, too :) ... > Didn't mention before, but my two months old baby is taking up much > of my spare time :) Congratulazioni! Maschio? Femmina? Mangia? Dorme? Rompe? [the above is a bunch of common questions about new babies] Bye, -- # $Id: .signature,v 1.12 1995/08/14 12:10:54 piero Exp $ Piero Serini Via Giambologna, 1 I 20136 Milano - ITALY From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 05:25:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA19982 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:25:26 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA19955 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:25:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA12594; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:09:20 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511211309.OAA12594@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: it.freebsd.org To: piero@strider.ibenet.it Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:09:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511211254.NAA01070@strider.ibenet.it> from "Piero Serini" at Nov 21, 95 01:53:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1160 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > * our connection with the US is very flakey. At times we have >70% of > > packet losses, which makes it very hard to mirror things directly > > from the US site. I will have to look for a source wich is connected > > That's what I meant: not a simple matter of disk, there's some > network resource involved, too :) > > ... > > Didn't mention before, but my two months old baby is taking up much > > of my spare time :) > > Congratulazioni! Maschio? Femmina? Mangia? Dorme? Rompe? Thanks; yes; no; yes; yes; moderately; > [the above is a bunch of common questions about new babies] is your automatic translator getting tired ? Or it is one of those models which can also pretends to understand the text and comment on it ? Like a journalist ... Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 05:36:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA20778 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:36:31 -0800 Received: from fun.inria.fr (fun.inria.fr [138.96.24.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA20768 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:36:26 -0800 Received: by fun.inria.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18209; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:29:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211329.OAA18209@fun.inria.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Notion of time in kernel + malloc + new comment In-reply-to: your message of Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:35:33 +0100. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:29:47 +0100 From: Andres Vega Garcia Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk : Andres Vega Garcia wrote: OK, thank you for all your answers. > I >need to have a notion of time (seconds (or tens of seconds) elapsed >since ...). I'm keeping the solution: #include int s = splclock(); long cur_time = time.tv_sec; splx(s); > > I have realized that in order to do malloc I need the "kernel" call >to malloc. As this is related with the ethernet drivers (and ppp), I >decided to use: For malloc, I do the way if_attach does (M_WAITOK): malloc(sizeof(fs_ctx_t),M_DEVBUF,M_WAITOK) for the per interface structures. and malloc(sizeof(fs_ses_t),M_DEVBUF,M_NOWAIT) for the dynamic srtuctures. => The new comment: By now I'm replacing (some) calls to IF_ENQUEUE & IF_DEQUEUE, but I do that for every driver I want to modify. It would be very nice just to modify IF_ENQUEUE and IF_DEQUEUE and let the new policy take effect automatically in every driver, but: * I need to retrive a context information, which now, I get by indexing with `if_unit' and then calling the new function (e.g. fs_enqueue) with the pointer to the structure (the context) (as well as the old parameters). * I need to distinguish the different sessions (for IP, source and destination address and port), then, I need a lookup with the sockaddr structure. By now, that has to be done for every driver too. Do you see a way of not having to modify every driver? Does modifying IF_ENQUEUE and IF_DEQUEUE can have side effects for other code? Remember with fair queueing I want to give every session the same bandwidth, but what happens with drivers which control a device, where the notion of several conexions passing trough doesn't exist? Thank you in advance. Andres ------------------------------ INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France avega@fun.inria.fr From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 05:45:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA21269 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:45:10 -0800 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA21262 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:45:07 -0800 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA14194; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:45:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu To: Peter Hudson cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD development. . . In-Reply-To: <199511210543.AAA19703@pipe4.h1.usa.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Peter Hudson wrote: > Hello, I am intersted in joining the development of FreeBSD. Please send > me any info. Send a message to majordomo@freebsd.org with a message body of: subscribe freebsd-hackers subscribe freebsd-current subscribe freebsd-stable subscribe freebsd-bugs subscribe freebsd-questions subscribe freebsd-doc (and anything else described in http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:mail.html that suits you.) Watch what goes on for a while. When you have spotted something that you think needs doing, jump in and post (a) a problem description and (b) a solution. I assure you, there is no shortage of (a), and not nearly enough (b) to go around! Also, if you have not already, browse throug the WWW server, http://www.freebsd.org/. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 05:56:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA21897 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:56:49 -0800 Received: from bigbird.vmicls.com (bigbird.vmicls.com [198.17.96.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA21888 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:56:46 -0800 Received: from gonzo by bigbird.vmicls.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1-vmicls-master-host-1) id IAA25397; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:59:10 -0500 From: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Organization: VMI Communications and Learning Systems Received: by gonzo (5.0/vmi-client-host-1) id AA20361; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:59:08 +0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:59:08 +0500 Message-Id: <9511211359.AA20361.gonzo@vmicls.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium Motherboards X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 967 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Any recommendations or known FreeBSD problems with the following > MBs/Chipsets with a 100Mhz Pentium: > > AP5CS SIS Chipset > AP5C TRITON chipset > P130 TRITON with Pipeline Cache > > > Thanks > > Dennis I just recently upgraded my mother board/video to: Acer Open AP5C with TRITON chipset at 75MHz. ATI Mach 32 PCI with 1 Meg DRAM. I am running FreeBSD 2.0.5R. Am pleased to say, IT WORKS GREAT!!!!! At the office(where this message is coming from), I develop on a SparcServer 1000 with 4(count em, 4) processors. about 30 users and 256 Meg of RAM. I get very good response. My Pentium at home gets even better response. Now I do my personal development at home. feels good to boast at work that my HOME system appears to give better performance. Of course, being the only one on the system DOES have a little to do with it. BUT, it IS the users perspective of repsonse time that counts. AM I RIGHT ????? AM I RIGHT ????? Jerry From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 06:01:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA22330 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:01:23 -0800 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA22318 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:01:12 -0800 Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09453; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:57:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211357.OAA09453@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: option XSERVER deprecated? To: kaleb@x.org (Kaleb S. KEITHLEY) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:57:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511211244.MAA03497@exalt.x.org> from "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" at Nov 21, 95 07:44:27 am From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1276 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Kaleb S. KEITHLEY who wrote: > > > No, apparently not. I notice that the GENERIC config in 2.1.0R had > option XSERVER commented out. Yet a (very) cursory look at the kernel > sources shows that XSERVER is still used and pcvt* is built differently > when it's defined. Erm, I think it is pcvt that needs to be "modernised" (he said and ducked under the table)... I see NO reason why one should build a console without X support (unless one wants to save bytes, it would give one K or thereabout more is better found in other places).. > > (The X server did run on the GENERIC kernel just long enough build my > own kernel. I didn't try switching VTs though.) Of cause it did, the GENERIC kernel uses syscons.. > > Can I suggest that the kernel use the opposite logic, i.e. assume there > will be an X server and build accordingly? And for those who don't run X > there should be an option NOXSERVER. That would be far better logic, yes... > If I did the work would it be accepted and incorporated into the next > release? Joerg - JOERG !! :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 06:24:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA23501 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:24:46 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23496 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:24:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA02879; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:24:33 -0800 To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: option XSERVER deprecated? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:44:27 EDT." <199511211244.MAA03497@exalt.x.org> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:24:33 -0800 Message-ID: <2876.816963873@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Assuming there are no reasons uncovered that make it impractical, I see no reason why not. You could even pass the commit through Rich. > > No, apparently not. I notice that the GENERIC config in 2.1.0R had > option XSERVER commented out. Yet a (very) cursory look at the kernel > sources shows that XSERVER is still used and pcvt* is built differently > when it's defined. > > (The X server did run on the GENERIC kernel just long enough build my > own kernel. I didn't try switching VTs though.) > > Can I suggest that the kernel use the opposite logic, i.e. assume there > will be an X server and build accordingly? And for those who don't run X > there should be an option NOXSERVER. > > If I did the work would it be accepted and incorporated into the next > release? > > -- > > Kaleb KEITHLEY > X Consortium From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 06:36:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA23977 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:36:04 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23948 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:35:56 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA02190; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:24:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: Mark Newton cc: Michael Smith , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9511210542.AA14290@communica.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Mark Newton wrote: > Michael Smith wrote: > > > Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > > > fdisk/disklabel Pretty lame if you ask me -- perhaps we should required > > > FreeBSD to be booted by IBM Punch Cards.... > > > > I can do that, if I can find the guy around here with the card hardware. > > You can't even get your half-inch tape drive working with FreeBSD. > Why should we sit back and assume you can get us booting from punch-cards? > :-) HEY! i got a Kennedy 9612 1/2-inch 9-track tape drive here that works very well, thank you. > [ Hey! At least we'd then have a device that we support which Linux doesn't > ] so we do have a device that we support which Linux doesn't Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 07:22:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA26712 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:22:06 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA26673 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:21:31 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id KAA03354; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:07:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:07:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: Luigi Rizzo cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511210931.KAA12186@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > While I am not willing to maintain mailing lists at the moment, I > can I can check here if people agrees to allocate resources (disk) > for an FTP server. Apart from computing resources, how much disk > space do you think we need to provide for this ? disk space requirements are minimal, but for /var/spool/mqueue. disk required for /var/spool/mqueue will vary by number of subscribers and quanitity of mail. here are the numbers for freefall.freebsd.org. majordomo binaries, scripts 3.1 MB lists, configs, etc 1.5 MB bulk_mailer, binaries, source 0.1 MB peter's multi-queue 0.2 MB mail queues 3.6 MB ------- 8.5 MB Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 07:57:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA29572 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:57:26 -0800 Received: from bigbird.vmicls.com (bigbird.vmicls.com [198.17.96.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA29564 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:57:17 -0800 Received: from gonzo by bigbird.vmicls.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1-vmicls-master-host-1) id KAA03922; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:59:42 -0500 From: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Organization: VMI Communications and Learning Systems Received: by gonzo (5.0/vmi-client-host-1) id AA27128; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:59:39 +0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:59:39 +0500 Message-Id: <9511211559.AA27128.gonzo@vmicls.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: HELP with typedef X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 874 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello all. Don't know the name of a mailing list for 'C' hackers. So, I sent it here. Can somebody tell me the name of a hackers list for the 'C' language ??? I need to create a subroutine that is passed a pointer to an array of pointers to strings. ie: address of (char *list[]). I need it to be a typedef as the routine called will handle lists of different sizes. This is better than using variable args for this task. My co-workers and I are a little stumped. Included below is the only solution I could come up with. BUT it does not compile. Help of some form would be great. Jerry. ------------------------------- typedef char *[] StringList; StringList List = {"one","two","three","four","END OF LIST",""}; PrintList( StringList *List) { int x; for(x = 0; List[x] != 0; x++) printf("List entry %d: %s\n", List[x]); } main() { PrintList(&List); } From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 08:39:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA03636 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:39:00 -0800 Received: from ncd.com (firewall-user@welch.ncd.com [192.43.160.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA03625 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:38:54 -0800 Received: by ncd.com; id IAA04365; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:41:02 -0800 Received: from z-code.z-code.com(192.82.56.21) by welch.ncd.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma004348; Tue, 21 Nov 95 08:40:32 -0800 Received: from zolaris.z-code.com (zolaris.z-code.com [192.82.56.41]) by z-code.z-code.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA23720; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:36:41 -0800 Received: by zolaris.z-code.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26558; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:34:18 -0800 From: "Ulf Zimmerman" Message-Id: <9511210834.ZM26556@zolaris.z-code.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:34:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: J Wunsch "Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available!" (Nov 21, 1:10am) References: <199511210010.BAA14287@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 21, 1:10am, J Wunsch wrote: > Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! > (Minor note, Jordan: the mail headers were lying, i've cancelled the > posting to the hackers list since i did't think there are too many > German readers here... so you've been the only one who's got _this_.) > >-- End of excerpt from J Wunsch At least 5 I know of ;-) Ulf. -- Ulf Zimmermann, NCD Software, 101 Rowland Way, Suite 300, Novato, CA 94945 phone: 415-899-7941, email: ulf@z-code.ncd.com, phone-home: 510-865-0204 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 08:57:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA05499 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:57:58 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA05449 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:56:19 -0800 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA13516 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:56:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:56:29 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199511211656.RAA13516@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's pause a connection refused. rlogin' in again after having written this email will surely work again. How come? Shutting down a socket? inetd? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 09:08:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA06656 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:08:13 -0800 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA06517 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:08:02 -0800 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tHw54-000I5TC; Tue, 21 Nov 95 18:02 MET Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tHvRc-00001eC; Tue, 21 Nov 95 17:21 MET Message-Id: From: hm@altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: option XSERVER deprecated? To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:21:16 +0100 (MET) Cc: kaleb@x.org, hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511211357.OAA09453@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at Nov 21, 95 02:57:28 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 496 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of sos@FreeBSD.org: > Erm, I think it is pcvt that needs to be "modernised" (he said and > ducked under the table)... This is quite true ! (NoNo, not to duck under the table, but pcvt really needs a cleanup !!!) > I see NO reason why one should build a console without X support But other people do. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 09:16:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA07209 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:16:20 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA07198 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:16:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03376; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:15:48 -0800 To: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) cc: dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium Motherboards In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:59:08 +0500." <9511211359.AA20361.gonzo@vmicls.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:15:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3374.816974148@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > BUT, it IS the users perspective of repsonse time that counts. > > AM I RIGHT ????? You're right! In fact, you can take barbituates to make the system even FASTER! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 09:26:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA07993 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:26:38 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA07923 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:26:09 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Tue, 21 Nov 95 17:26 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA14577; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:21:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211721.SAA14577@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:21:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511210756.IAA16674@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 21, 95 08:56:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1344 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > i have not yet had a chance to play with a source-routing > > traceroute or to sendmail to myself by way of two sites in, say, > > australia. i have heard horror stories about non-us > > connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the > > usa. is this really teh case ?? > > Unfortunately, yes. :-( > > At least here, several upcoming providers start with a leased line to > US (or UK in one case) in order to provide their connectivity. > National interconnections often follow years behind. (One of these > providers was able to establish these interconnections meanwhile, at > least to other ones are still being routed via US.) A bit of background: until about a year ago, the only commercial Internet providers were EUNet and Xlink, both *very* expensive (would you believe I used to pag $0.30 per kilobyte for mail?). Now there are some others, noticably MAZ, which are a lot cheaper, though still expensive by US standards (I now pay $13 per megabyte for IP traffic). EUNet and co didn't like these price-breakers, and until recently refused to give them a connection, which is why MAZ went via Pipex and Alternet. Things are happening--I can now connect to EUNet without leaving Germany, but as you can see, DFN is another matter. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 09:42:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA09046 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:42:56 -0800 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09041 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:42:51 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA25161; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:45:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:45:03 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199511211745.KAA25161@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP with typedef In-Reply-To: <9511211559.AA27128.gonzo@vmicls.com> References: <9511211559.AA27128.gonzo@vmicls.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I need to create a subroutine that is passed a pointer to > an array of pointers to strings. ie: address of (char *list[]). The program you supplied was close, but not quite. I cleaned it up just a little bit and it follows. ---------------------------------------------------- #include typedef char *StringList[]; StringList List = {"one","two","three","four","END OF LIST",""}; void PrintList( StringList List) { int x; for(x = 0; List[x][0] != 0; x++) printf("List entry %d: %s\n", x, List[x]); } int main() { PrintList(List); return ( 1 ); } ---------------------------------------------------- It now compiles with 'gcc -Wall', and works like I think you intend it to do. Note how I changed the end of the for loop condition. You are using an empty string, so we need to look at the first character in the string to determine if it's '\0'. If you want to do it slightly different (and somewhat more standard), you could do it this way. StringList List = {"one","two","three","four","END OF LIST",NULL}; ... for(x = 0; List[x] != NULL; x++) ... Note the NULL as the last entry vs "". This would allow you to use empty strings. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 09:56:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA09864 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:56:34 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA09856 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:56:31 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Tue, 21 Nov 95 17:56 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA14643; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:34:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211734.SAA14643@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: modem area code trick To: jhs@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:34:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511162256.XAA02719@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian H. Stacey" at Nov 16, 95 11:56:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1286 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian H. Stacey writes: > > > This is not FreeBSD specific but those round the world living near but not > in large towns & using modems may appreciate it ... > > A friend (Stuart A. (cc'd)) is in the dial code area for his nearby city, > but geographically is in a fairly distant outlying village (so distant, > that the other half of the village are not in the city dial code area). > > He found his modem performed much better if he prepended the long distance > trunk code for the city, thus dialing 089.123456 instead of just 123456. > We presume he's getting better long distance trunk circuits, rather than > cheaper local copper, whatever ... it works for him ! You should be careful about generalizing this sort of thing. In particular, with modern equipment this would not make any difference, and it's *very* dependent on the local connections. I could believe it about the outlying areas of Munich, though. > We also assume he's still paying at local call rates. Yes, I think that's OK. Just out of interest, does his modem line have the charge unit pulse (Gebührenimpuls) enabled? It's conceivable that the long-distance equipment emits a cleaner pulse. In any case, with the money Telekom are charging him, he ought to get them to come and investigate. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:17:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11104 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:41 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11090 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00258; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:33 -0800 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org cc: dufault@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:33 -0800 Message-ID: <256.816977853@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I finally got a writable CD drive hooked up to my system here so that I can do direct mastering of the FreeBSD CDs from the same location that they're developed - less potential for errors in the translation that way, and I can test the CDs a lot more thoroughly. Anyway, I hooked it up to my 2.1-STABLE system and this is how it announces itself so far: (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown (ahc0:3:1): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk1(ahc0:3:1): Unknown (ahc0:3:2): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk2(ahc0:3:2): Unknown (ahc0:3:3): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk3(ahc0:3:3): Unknown (ahc0:3:4): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk4(ahc0:3:4): Unknown (ahc0:3:5): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk5(ahc0:3:5): Unknown (ahc0:3:6): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk6(ahc0:3:6): Unknown (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown Naturally, even once I get it to be recognised properly, I'm going to need to figure out how to blast data to it at the proper data rate and how to send commands to "fix" sessions and such. At the minimum, I need to be able to write, fix and verify a single session. Peter D., you still out there? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:17:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11111 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:43 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11086 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:27 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04316; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:12:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511211812.LAA04316@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au (John Birrell) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:12:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511210106.MAA29490@werple.net.au> from "John Birrell" at Nov 21, 95 12:10:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 853 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ ... preeemptive thread scheduling using signals ... ] > > If you need it, you should add a system call (like SunOS has) to save > > and restore register state, including the FP registers. > > We're doing as the MIT pthreads code does (__asm__ fsave/frstor) to save and > restore the FP state on entering the scheduler from the real signal handler. > So far we don't see a problem on the 486 we are using. It's the coprocessor > problem that Bruce was pointing out that we can't cope with. We're treating > that as a limitation and pressing on... As long as you are hacking, putting the state save/restore for the signal handler below a system call interface would save your portability to non x86 platforms. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:21:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11263 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:21:54 -0800 Received: from spot.lodgenet.com (lodgenet.iw.net [204.157.148.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11250 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:20:31 -0800 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by spot.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA21291; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:18:38 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21316; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:52:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199511211852.MAA21316@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Mark Newton , Michael Smith , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, grog@lemis.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:24:38 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:52:54 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jonathan M. Bresler" writes: >On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Mark Newton wrote: > > > HEY! i got a Kennedy 9612 1/2-inch 9-track tape drive here that >works very well, thank you. > >> [ Hey! At least we'd then have a device that we support which Linux doesn't >> ] > > so we do have a device that we support which Linux doesn't > If you're looking for hardware that works under FreeBSD and not Linux... We've got a couple of compaq desktop units here with integrated pci/ether/vga/ide/kitchen sink... The one running FreeBSD at least finds the pci bus, linux doesn't. I had to pull a pci .c file out of -current, but it at least works. As for the ether, well that's another story, but if_de at least gets close enough where I can hack the driver to get it working.. ;) > >Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. > >FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy >play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 >ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 > eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:28:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11511 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:28:33 -0800 Received: from cpmx.SAIC.COM (cpmx.SAIC.COM [139.121.16.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA11504 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:28:30 -0800 Received: from [199.106.95.11] by cpmx.saic.com; Tue, 21 Nov 95 10:27:52 -0800 Received: by merkury.saic.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13966; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:22:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Subject: enabling new devices To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD 2.0.5 comes with a tcpdump binary. This requires /dev/bpf0 (1) to be operational. sh MAKEDEV local bpf0 creates the device, but does not configure it. Can I config it through the boot utility somehow? Matt \_________ Matthew G. Harrigan \_________ SAIC Internet Solutions \_________ 619-552-4856 \________ matt@merkury.saic.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:39:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA12074 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:39:41 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12064 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:39:18 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id TAA07556 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:55 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id TAA22347 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:54 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id TAA06555; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:36:13 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511211836.TAA06555@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:36:12 +0100 (MET) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <2532.816958027@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 04:47:07 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > I don't see this as a translation gateway, however. There are a lot > of people who's command of english prohibits them from participating > in the general discussion, and it would be certainly nice if there was > *someplace* for them to go where they could post a question in Italian In France, we have as I said the fr.comp.os.bsd newsgroup. > list. We need to make FreeBSD *more* friendly, and to me that means > the ability to support users more effectively through regional user > groups (that actually meet face to face) and mailing lists where > problems can be discussed in any language from croat to french. If you want french-speaking equivalent of freebsd-* lists, I don't think there is enough interest/people for that (I may be wrong of course but if fr.comp.os.bsd is an indication I'm right). In fact I want to be wrong If you want a mailing-list exploder in France for french people or even most of european users, I may be able to set this up. I have a well-connected machine with CPU power and disk to put a majordomo on. It is an HP with a 2 MBps line on RENATER (French Academic Network). RENATER has a 4 Mbps (probably a little more in a few weeks/months) with the US albeit pretty overloaded. More on this later. Interested ? We have already at least two FTP mirrors in France for ftp.freebsd.org (ftp.ibp.fr and ftp.univ-lyon1.fr, I'll have to check the second). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:50:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA12653 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:50:05 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12605 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:50:00 -0800 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA06394; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:47:37 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511211847.MAA06394@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Pentium Motherboards To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:47:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3374.816974148@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 09:15:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > BUT, it IS the users perspective of repsonse time that counts. > > > > AM I RIGHT ????? > > You're right! In fact, you can take barbituates to make the system > even FASTER! :-) > > Jordan Ah hah, we were wondering what it was you were doing out there in California. ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:50:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA12669 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:50:23 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12664 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:50:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00478; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:49:03 -0800 To: Ollivier Robert cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:36:12 +0100." <199511211836.TAA06555@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:49:03 -0800 Message-ID: <476.816979743@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > If you want french-speaking equivalent of freebsd-* lists, I don't think > there is enough interest/people for that (I may be wrong of course but if > fr.comp.os.bsd is an indication I'm right). In fact I want to be wrong > > If you want a mailing-list exploder in France for french people or even > most of european users, I may be able to set this up. I have a > well-connected machine with CPU power and disk to put a majordomo on. It is > an HP with a 2 MBps line on RENATER (French Academic Network). RENATER has > a 4 Mbps (probably a little more in a few weeks/months) with the US albeit > pretty overloaded. Well, I'll take whatever I can get! :-) > We have already at least two FTP mirrors in France for ftp.freebsd.org > (ftp.ibp.fr and ftp.univ-lyon1.fr, I'll have to check the second). Do you have a DNS server that could manage fr.freebsd.org so that you can set up things like ftp .. ftp yourself? I'm thinking more and more that there should be a regional name server for each domain, administered locally. That's now we've done .it and will probably do .br shortly as well. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 10:57:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA13004 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:57:01 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12999 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:56:59 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04354; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:53:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511211853.LAA04354@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:53:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2559.816958199@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 04:49:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 758 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hmm, how do we avoid mail loops? > > We'll have to be careful.. :-) By two staging all list implementations: list-user | v hackers@freebsd.org | \ ... V V ... hackers-list@freebsd.org hackers-list@exploder.machine.com ... list-user | V hackers@exploder.machine.com | \ ... V V ... hackers-list@exploder.machine.com hackers-list@freebsd.org ... The same way you gateway news groups. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:02:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA13275 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:02:41 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA13269 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:02:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00564; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:59:39 -0800 To: Terry Lambert cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:53:48 MST." <199511211853.LAA04354@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:59:39 -0800 Message-ID: <561.816980379@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > By two staging all list implementations: Makes sense to me! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:03:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA13315 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:03:34 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA13310 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:03:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA13018; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:01:46 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511211901.UAA13018@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:01:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511211836.TAA06555@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Nov 21, 95 07:35:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 787 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > If you want french-speaking equivalent of freebsd-* lists, I don't think > there is enough interest/people for that (I may be wrong of course but if > fr.comp.os.bsd is an indication I'm right). In fact I want to be wrong it.comp.linux here has 5-6 messages per days. And their users group is much larger. But Jordan is right, a general discussion group is not unreasonable. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:21:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA14281 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:21:56 -0800 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14276 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:21:54 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id LAA07280 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA06464; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:22 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511211914.NAA06464@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:21 -0600 (CST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Nov 21, 95 10:07:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > While I am not willing to maintain mailing lists at the moment, I > > can I can check here if people agrees to allocate resources (disk) > > for an FTP server. Apart from computing resources, how much disk > > space do you think we need to provide for this ? > > disk space requirements are minimal, but for /var/spool/mqueue. > disk required for /var/spool/mqueue will vary by number of subscribers > and quanitity of mail. here are the numbers for freefall.freebsd.org. > > majordomo binaries, scripts 3.1 MB > lists, configs, etc 1.5 MB > bulk_mailer, binaries, source 0.1 MB > peter's multi-queue 0.2 MB > mail queues 3.6 MB > ------- > 8.5 MB I've always been willing to (and actually intended to) set up a local lists exploder here at sol.net. Originally, I had intended for it to be a tool for local use, but again, this is a great example of Yet Another Something we out here in the Real World can do on a larger scale to make Freefall's life easier. My secondary mail server, mail2.sol.net, is a 486DX/33 with 32MB of RAM and a reasonably large amount of disk. It sits there most of the time bored out of its mind, spinning its disk. > df -k Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on [...] /dev/sd0s1g 98479 13508 77092 15% /var /dev/sd0s1h 108719 30 99991 0% /var/spool This is a sad waste of a machine, but I believe in redundancy, so the secondary server sits there and also runs X, amanda, ftp.freebsd.sol.net, my SUP archive, kerberos service, and all sorts of stuff - AND IS STILL 90% IDLE ON AVERAGE :-) (Gawd I just love FreeBSD!!!!) Maybe if we had several list exploders here in the continental US (Eastern, Southern, Midwestern, West Coast?) we could take some load off of freefall. If there is any such interest, I have the resources and will to set up something here to serve the Midwest. Aside: ftp.freebsd.sol.net isn't really getting pounded too hard but people ARE using it.... > w 1:10PM up 1 day, 21:51, 2 users, load averages: 0.09, 0.07, 0.02 [...] > /usr/local/bin/ftpwho Service class local: - 0 users ( 10 maximum) Service class remote: [...] - 2 users ( 10 maximum) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:22:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA14305 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:22:04 -0800 Received: from trinity.radio-do.de (trinity.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14293 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:21:59 -0800 From: Frank Nobis Message-Id: <199511211921.UAA17913@trinity.radio-do.de> Received: by trinity.radio-do.de (8.6.11/TRINITY-1.2.0-f) via EUnet id UAA17913; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:21:42 +0100 Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:21:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511210753.IAA16658@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 21, 95 08:53:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1713 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > 1. The host for .freebsd.org should use majordomo to manage > > its list(s) so that sending mail to majordomo@.freebsd.org > > can be assumed to work with the same syntax (we should probably > > even agree to run the same version of majordomo everwhere). > > That seems fine to me. > > > 3. The host should subscribe its regional mailing lists to the > > main lists on freebsd.org, and those subscribers directly on the > > main lists should move their subscriptions to the regional > > contact point as soon as it's convenient. > > Hmm, how do we avoid mail loops? > > > I would also like to talk with people in the various countries about > > appointing a region-wide ftp server as the default one. I don't know > > which criteria you'll use, but it would be nice if ftp..freebsd.org > > would go somewhere meaningful for each value of . > > ad-hoc, i'd say ftp.germany.eu.net would be a reasonable default > server for Germany. It's not on the official mirror list, but i know > that they are mirroring the distributions. Short of this, "kuku"'s > gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de would also be possible (but i'm afraid of > overloading it -- Christoph?). > I will ask at EUnet tomorrow. The only problem could be shortage of space. As by now the mirror is not complete. Most of the subdirs are empty. A mailing list would depend on mail.Germany.EU.net, but I am sure there is a good chance to convince Bernard to do so. Greetings from Germany Frank -- Frank Nobis Email: fn@Radio-do.de PGP AVAILABLE Landgrafenstr. 130 fn@Germany.EU.net 44139 Dortmund Powered by FreeBSD Fax: +49 231 7213816 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:30:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA14935 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:30:11 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14928 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:30:09 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA06867; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:30:00 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511211930.LAA06867@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:29:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <256.816977853@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 10:17:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1539 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you can supply pizza I can come round an beat in it tonight :) julian (p.s. looks like you need to have an entry in the scsiconf.c tables with SC_ONE_LUN defined in it) > > I finally got a writable CD drive hooked up to my system here so that > I can do direct mastering of the FreeBSD CDs from the same location > that they're developed - less potential for errors in the translation > that way, and I can test the CDs a lot more thoroughly. > > Anyway, I hooked it up to my 2.1-STABLE system and this is how > it announces itself so far: > > (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown > (ahc0:3:1): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk1(ahc0:3:1): Unknown > (ahc0:3:2): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk2(ahc0:3:2): Unknown > (ahc0:3:3): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk3(ahc0:3:3): Unknown > (ahc0:3:4): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk4(ahc0:3:4): Unknown > (ahc0:3:5): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk5(ahc0:3:5): Unknown > (ahc0:3:6): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk6(ahc0:3:6): Unknown > (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown > > Naturally, even once I get it to be recognised properly, I'm going to > need to figure out how to blast data to it at the proper data rate and > how to send commands to "fix" sessions and such. At the minimum, I > need to be able to write, fix and verify a single session. > > Peter D., you still out there? :-) > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:32:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA15082 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:32:28 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15075 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:32:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00846; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:32:16 -0800 To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:29:59 PST." <199511211930.LAA06867@ref.tfs.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <844.816982336@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > If you can supply pizza I can come round an beat in it tonight :) > > julian > (p.s. looks like you need to have an entry in the scsiconf.c > tables with SC_ONE_LUN defined in it) Actually, I may have been premature. I just got a call from WC saying "aigh! bring it back! we have an emergency!" and they're now talking about giving me a *different* drive which will, no doubt, behave differently! Sigh.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 11:40:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA15570 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:40:18 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15487 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:39:46 -0800 Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA28566; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:40:59 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199511211940.OAA28566@hda.com> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:40:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <844.816982336@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 11:32:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1019 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > If you can supply pizza I can come round an beat in it tonight :) > > > > julian > > (p.s. looks like you need to have an entry in the scsiconf.c > > tables with SC_ONE_LUN defined in it) > > Actually, I may have been premature. I just got a call from WC saying > "aigh! bring it back! we have an emergency!" and they're now talking > about giving me a *different* drive which will, no doubt, behave > differently! Sigh.. That's too bad - I found a driver for NetBSD for that exact model. Joerg did enough beating on worm.c recently that if you configure it it will come on line properly, though then the command set for the specific device will start to come in handy. Julian - I have a copy of the notes from Joerg and the NetBSD driver, if you want them I'll forward them offline. It sounds like your pizza party is off, though. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 12:17:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA18212 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:17:20 -0800 Received: from nomad.osmre.gov (nomad.osmre.gov [192.243.129.244]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18202 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:17:10 -0800 Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by nomad.osmre.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02520; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:16:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:16:54 -0500 From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199511212016.PAA02520@nomad.osmre.gov> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: checksums, please! Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In previous releases we had md5's on the dist. files (and even a handy shell script to check them). It would help me to have these on 2.1 so I only have to re-get a few corrupted files rather than the whole kit and the kaboodle. Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 12:54:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA21807 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:54:14 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21802 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:54:06 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id VAA09435 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:53:48 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id VAA22625 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:53:41 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id VAA07180; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:49:23 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511212049.VAA07180@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:49:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <476.816979743@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 10:49:03 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > Well, I'll take whatever I can get! :-) OK. > Do you have a DNS server that could manage fr.freebsd.org so that you > can set up things like ftp .. ftp yourself? I'm thinking more and > more that there should be a regional name server for each domain, > administered locally. That's now we've done .it and will probably do I can have that as well. We already have another machine which manage several domains here (EU.org, freenix.org and freenix.fr for example). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 12:57:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA22091 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:57:19 -0800 Received: from werple.net.au (0@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22081 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:57:13 -0800 Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id HAA22849 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:57:02 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199511212057.HAA22849@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA22337; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:00:47 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: lambert.org!terry@werple.net.au (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:00:47 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511211812.LAA04316@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 21, 95 11:12:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We're doing as the MIT pthreads code does (__asm__ fsave/frstor) to save and > > restore the FP state on entering the scheduler from the real signal handler. > > So far we don't see a problem on the 486 we are using. It's the coprocessor > > problem that Bruce was pointing out that we can't cope with. We're treating > > that as a limitation and pressing on... > > As long as you are hacking, putting the state save/restore for the signal > handler below a system call interface would save your portability to non > x86 platforms. Our goal is to build threaded programs which we can run on 2.1.0R as installed from the Walnut Creek CD and to submit this code for inclusion in 2.2.0R. We're not about to go hacking the kernel. Of course if others think that the addition of a syscall to save FP state is worthwhile, we'll integrate that if and when it becomes available. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 13:03:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA22689 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:03:03 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22675 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:02:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01056; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:59:31 -0800 To: Peter Dufault cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:40:58 EST." <199511211940.OAA28566@hda.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:59:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1054.816987570@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > If you can supply pizza I can come round an beat in it tonight :) > > > > > > julian > > > (p.s. looks like you need to have an entry in the scsiconf.c > > > tables with SC_ONE_LUN defined in it) > > > > Actually, I may have been premature. I just got a call from WC saying > > "aigh! bring it back! we have an emergency!" and they're now talking > > about giving me a *different* drive which will, no doubt, behave > > differently! Sigh.. > > That's too bad - I found a driver for NetBSD for that exact > model. > > Joerg did enough beating on worm.c recently that if you configure it > it will come on line properly, though then the command set for the > specific device will start to come in handy. > > Julian - I have a copy of the notes from Joerg and the NetBSD driver, > if you want them I'll forward them offline. It sounds like your > pizza party is off, though. Well, here's what the replacement drive says now: ahc0:A:4: refuses syncronous negotiation. Using asyncronous transfers (ahc0:4:0): "JVC WCD-ROM XR-W1001 GBBF" type 4 removable SCSI 1 uk0(ahc0:4:0): Unknown Anyone wishing a login to this box to whap scsi commands at the drive, just ask! I at least have some assurance of being able to keep this particular drive for awhile! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 13:12:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA23574 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:12:24 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23567 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:12:19 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07112; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:12:13 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511212112.NAA07112@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Would anyone buy a ported Wind River `Tornado' real time package ? To: jhs@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:12:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511162233.XAA02664@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian H. Stacey" at Nov 16, 95 11:33:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1689 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Certainly there would be som interest here ar TRW Financial... but as we never know if we want something till we need it on a project, that's not a guarantee that we'd use it.. Certainly the Wind River stuff we use is the backbone of our systems and we are always looking at better ways of utilising it with the resources we have around.. +----------------------------------+ ______ _ __ | __--_|\ Julian Elischer | \ U \/ / On assignment | / \ julian@ref.tfs.com +------>x USA \ in a very strange | ( OZ ) 300 lakeside Dr. oakland CA. \___ ___ | country ! +- X_.---._/ USA+(510) 645-3137(wk) \_/ \\ v > > > Do any of you work for companies that would want to purchase copies of > Wind River Systems' `Tornado' real time software development support package, > if it were to be ported to FreeBSD ? > > ( `Tornado' has nothing (that I know of) to do with the European fighter > aircraft project of the same name). Tornado looks impressive, > (there's a kind of souped up xxgdb style interface, & it can support > multiple debuggers targetting one cross target processor etc. ) > > Wind River & Vector Systems would need to see serious customer interest, > before doing the port. Whose companies would consider buying it ? > > Notes: > - Please leave intact cc: jhs@freebsd.org > - I've bcc'd this to Wind River, & will main them a summary of responses. > > Julian H. Stacey EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ > TEL: +49.89.268616 FAX: +49.89.2608126 CONSULTANT: Internet, Unix, C > POST: Vector Systems Ltd, Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 13:14:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA23654 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:34 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23647 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:28 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07120; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:08 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511212114.NAA07120@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: enabling new devices To: matt@merkury.saic.com (Matt) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matt" at Nov 21, 95 10:17:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 591 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You need to make a kernel with this option device compiled into it.. there is an FAQ on compiling kernels.. look in /usr/share/FAQ or see www.freebsd.org for what is always the latest version.. > > > FreeBSD 2.0.5 comes with a tcpdump binary. > This requires /dev/bpf0 (1) to be operational. > sh MAKEDEV local bpf0 creates the device, but does not > configure it. > Can I config it through the boot utility somehow? > > Matt > > \_________ Matthew G. Harrigan > \_________ SAIC Internet Solutions > \_________ 619-552-4856 > \________ matt@merkury.saic.com > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 13:21:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA24254 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:21:05 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24242 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:20:57 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA08851 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:25:11 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA07964 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:23:11 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA32714 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:14 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA01247 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:32:09 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199511211832.TAA01247@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:32:08 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 823 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi When testing a NCR810 card I got cheaply (~ $20) using 205R I noticed some strangeness when I tried disklabel on a virgin disk. Quite a lot of messages from the ncr driver about some assert/assumption failing and then a sort of scsi bus lockup. When I used the system's onboard 810 I had a similar experience so it's probably not hardware. BTW Machine is a Digital Celebris P90, 8Mb. General question: I plan to put this 810 in my to-be-bought Pentium. Is 205R generally stable with a 810 or do I need 2.1R ? Thanks, _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 13:43:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA25782 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:43:33 -0800 Received: from pobox.oit.umass.edu (pobox.oit.umass.edu [128.119.166.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25768 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:42:50 -0800 Received: from titan.oit.umass.edu (titan.oit.umass.edu) by pobox.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #6523) id <01HXWU7C4LJ4000FCT@pobox.oit.umass.edu> for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:42:36 -0500 Received: (from fyao@localhost) by titan.oit.umass.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00593 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:42:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:42:32 -0500 (EST) From: Fude Yao Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <199511212142.QAA00593@titan.oit.umass.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, My name is Fude Yao. I am a Master student at Univ. of Massachusetts and am very interested in joining the freebsd team. I have many years of programming experience and I took 22 credits of courses at UMass. My Math background is very soild. Hope I can contribute to this project. 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F4 Belchertown, MA 01007-9509 phone: 413-323-4582 e-mail: fyao@wilde.oit.umass.edu yao@rna.micro.umass.edu =============================================================================== --Boundary (ID L2qlZhbm0r6Lq8gM7Vl6+w)-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 13:46:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA25944 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:46:03 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25939 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:46:00 -0800 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00231 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:45:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:45:55 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Message-Id: <199511212145.NAA00231@rah.star-gate.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Help! I got a bad block.... Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My system disk is dying and I need to remove an inode -- all I got is the disk block number which fsck reports . BTW: Why can't fsck remove or mark bad scsi blocks? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 14:19:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA28310 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:19:58 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28302 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:19:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00772; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:19:36 -0800 To: Glen Foster cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: checksums, please! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:16:54 EST." <199511212016.PAA02520@nomad.osmre.gov> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:19:36 -0800 Message-ID: <769.816992376@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, maybe we can resurrect them for 2.1.1. > In previous releases we had md5's on the dist. files (and even a handy > shell script to check them). It would help me to have these on 2.1 so > I only have to re-get a few corrupted files rather than the whole kit > and the kaboodle. > > Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 15:15:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA02259 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:15:39 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA02233 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:15:35 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA07282; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:15:13 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511212315.PAA07282@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: dufault@hda.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1054.816987570@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 12:59:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1802 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You'd think they could make it so that their damned device didn't respond to all the LUNs :( ok, well I guess I could have a look at the stuff.. hmm type 4.. "Write once device..." ok, I'll have a quick look though the spec and then at the drivers.. > > > > > > > > If you can supply pizza I can come round an beat in it tonight :) > > > > > > > > julian > > > > (p.s. looks like you need to have an entry in the scsiconf.c > > > > tables with SC_ONE_LUN defined in it) > > > > > > Actually, I may have been premature. I just got a call from WC saying > > > "aigh! bring it back! we have an emergency!" and they're now talking > > > about giving me a *different* drive which will, no doubt, behave > > > differently! Sigh.. > > > > That's too bad - I found a driver for NetBSD for that exact > > model. > > > > Joerg did enough beating on worm.c recently that if you configure it > > it will come on line properly, though then the command set for the > > specific device will start to come in handy. > > > > Julian - I have a copy of the notes from Joerg and the NetBSD driver, > > if you want them I'll forward them offline. It sounds like your > > pizza party is off, though. > > Well, here's what the replacement drive says now: YAY! Pizza! > ahc0:A:4: refuses syncronous negotiation. Using asyncronous transfers > (ahc0:4:0): "JVC WCD-ROM XR-W1001 GBBF" type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk0(ahc0:4:0): Unknown > > > Anyone wishing a login to this box to whap scsi commands at the drive, > just ask! I at least have some assurance of being able to keep > this particular drive for awhile! :-) I think it's better to be right there.. it's amazing how many times you want the reset switch when you're in the kernel..... > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 15:24:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA02911 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:24:07 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA02852 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:23:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00295; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:23:37 -0800 To: Julian Elischer cc: dufault@hda.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:15:13 PST." <199511212315.PAA07282@ref.tfs.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:23:37 -0800 Message-ID: <292.816996217@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > YAY! Pizza! :-) > I think it's better to be right there.. > it's amazing how many times you want the reset switch when you're > in the kernel..... Maybe we should set a time..? I'm booked tonite and tomorrow, but the end of the week is looking distinctly open.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 15:24:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA02959 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:24:54 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA02568 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:19:06 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA08954; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:18:50 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA23819; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:18:50 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA19137; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:16:56 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511212316.AAA19137@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Would anyone buy a ported Wind River `Tornado' real time package ? To: jhs@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:16:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511162233.XAA02664@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian H. Stacey" at Nov 16, 95 11:33:54 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 445 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Do any of you work for companies that would want to purchase copies of > Wind River Systems' `Tornado' real time software development support package, > if it were to be ported to FreeBSD ? What does it do? Perhaps you could provide a demo version? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 15:33:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA03637 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:33:05 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA03629 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:32:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00339; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:32:44 -0800 To: Fude Yao cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:42:32 EST." <199511212142.QAA00593@titan.oit.umass.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:32:44 -0800 Message-ID: <337.816996764@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > My name is Fude Yao. I am a Master student at Univ. of Massachusetts > and am very interested in joining the freebsd > team. I have many years of programming experience and I took 22 credits > of courses at UMass. My Math background is very soild. Hope I can > contribute to this project. I am interested in adding Chinese Processing > Capability to this package, too. Do you currently run FreeBSD? Do you have reasonable access to the net so that you can receive and run updated code (freebsd-current)? These are fairly important prerequisites for anyone wishing to actively develop for FreeBSD on a broad scale. Adding comprehensive Chinese character support would be a fairly extensive undertaking, hence my concern. If you have the access and can run FreeBSD-current on a development machine, then I'd say that the next step would be to simply start discussing your proposed changes with us. Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 16:32:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA10257 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:32:45 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA10251 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:32:41 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA23898; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:30:39 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220030.AAA23898@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:30:38 +0000 () Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <256.816977853@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 10:17:33 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 678 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown ... > (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown All 8 LUNs? Argh! Run! Run! This looks like one _very_ broken puppy 8( > Jordan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 16:44:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA11727 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:44:09 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11637 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:44:00 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA23978; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:42:08 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220042.AAA23978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:42:08 +0000 () Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511212145.NAA00231@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 21, 95 01:45:55 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 903 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > > My system disk is dying and I need to remove an inode -- all I got is > the disk block number which fsck reports . > > BTW: Why can't fsck remove or mark bad scsi blocks? Because nobody's added that 8). You should be able to turn on bad sector forwarding in the drive and have it do the work itself. Have a look at scsi(8) : scsi -f /dev/rsd0 -m1 -e -P 3 and set AWRE and ARRE to enable reallocation on both read and write. Many drives ship with this off. > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 16:53:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA12836 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:53:20 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12831 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:53:16 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07498; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:52:57 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220052.QAA07498@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: int type in jmpbuf To: cimaxp1!jb@werple.net.au (John Birrell) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:52:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: lambert.org!terry@werple.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199511212057.HAA22849@werple.net.au> from "John Birrell" at Nov 22, 95 08:00:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 549 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Our goal is to build threaded programs which we can run on 2.1.0R as installed > from the Walnut Creek CD and to submit this code for inclusion in 2.2.0R. > We're not about to go hacking the kernel. Of course if others think that the > addition of a syscall to save FP state is worthwhile, we'll integrate that if > and when it becomes available. > I envision that kernel support for threads and SMP will be 2.3/2.4 projects but that work can start as soon as people have the energy to do so.. still better to walk before you try running.. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 16:58:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA13494 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:58:07 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13481 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:58:04 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07511; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:57:57 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220057.QAA07511@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:57:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511212145.NAA00231@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 21, 95 01:45:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 593 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk there is a program to do this in -current.. hmm lemme see hmmm I guess it's wrong.. what you need to do is: 1/ try wrote nulls to the block if that succeeds all's well.. fsck the drive 2/ use the scsi 'mode page editor' to set the remapping options ON (man 8 scsi) 3/ try write nulls to the block.. theoretically this hsould succeed, and the block should be automatically remapped.. > > > My system disk is dying and I need to remove an inode -- all I got is > the disk block number which fsck reports . > > BTW: Why can't fsck remove or mark bad scsi blocks? > > Tnks, > Amancio > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 17:00:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA13789 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:00:00 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13782 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:59:57 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07525; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:59:41 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220059.QAA07525@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:59:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511211832.TAA01247@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Nov 21, 95 07:32:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1045 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It's worth upgrading to 2.1 (you can do it partially.. i.e. most 2.0.5 stuff will probably run on a 2.1 kernel, so you can at least test it out by just trying the new kernel.. > > Hi > > When testing a NCR810 card I got cheaply (~ $20) using 205R I noticed > some strangeness when I tried disklabel on a virgin disk. Quite a > lot of messages from the ncr driver about some assert/assumption > failing and then a sort of scsi bus lockup. > > When I used the system's onboard 810 I had a similar experience so > it's probably not hardware. BTW Machine is a Digital Celebris P90, > 8Mb. > > General question: I plan to put this 810 in my to-be-bought Pentium. > Is 205R generally stable with a 810 or do I need 2.1R ? > > Thanks, > _ __________________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 17:07:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA15163 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:07:44 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15148 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:07:35 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07548; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:07:27 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220107.RAA07548@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) To: fyao@pssci.umass.edu (Fude Yao) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:07:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511212142.QAA00593@titan.oit.umass.edu> from "Fude Yao" at Nov 21, 95 04:42:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1174 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The whole problem of ideographic support is being addressed by several people though they seem to not be directly connected with the Core group in general it may be worth posting in the newsgroups (comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, and anything to do with ideographic support) for people already working in this direction. > > My name is Fude Yao. I am a Master student at Univ. of Massachusetts > and am very interested in joining the freebsd > team. I have many years of programming experience and I took 22 credits > of courses at UMass. My Math background is very soild. Hope I can > contribute to this project. I am interested in adding Chinese Processing > Capability to this package, too. > my email addr: fyao@wilde.oit.umass.edu we welcome your interest and hope you have as much fun with it as we do... julian +----------------------------------+ ______ _ __ | __--_|\ Julian Elischer | \ U \/ / On assignment | / \ julian@ref.tfs.com +------>x USA \ in a very strange | ( OZ ) 300 lakeside Dr. oakland CA. \___ ___ | country ! +- X_.---._/ USA+(510) 645-3137(wk) \_/ \\ v From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 17:21:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA16251 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:21:43 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA16244 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:21:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00828; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:20:35 -0800 To: Michael Smith cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:30:38 GMT." <199511220030.AAA23898@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:20:35 -0800 Message-ID: <826.817003235@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Not LUNs. Unknowns. > Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > > uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown > ... > > (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > > uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown > > All 8 LUNs? Argh! Run! Run! This looks like one _very_ broken puppy 8( > > > Jordan > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 17:28:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA16820 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:52 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA16813 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:49 -0800 Received: (from hasty@localhost) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00896; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:41 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Message-Id: <199511220128.RAA00896@rah.star-gate.com> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, julian@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Writes to the bad block are failing per fsck ... On a fsck stage , it attempts to write nulls to the bad block and the drive fails. I do have AWRE and ARRE set on the disk. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 17:48:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA18055 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:48:39 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18050 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:48:37 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA24214 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:45:22 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220145.BAA24214@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:45:21 +0000 () In-Reply-To: <826.817003235@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 05:20:35 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 950 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > Not LUNs. Unknowns. > > > Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > > (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > > > uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown > > ... > > > (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > > > uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown LUNs. The device is on ahc0, ID3, and it responds on LUN0 through LUN7. The SCSI code sees seven seperate devices, all the same, and assigns seven uk* devices to them. This augers poorly for the device's general compliance with any other part of the spec 8( -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 18:07:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA18925 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:07:50 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18920 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:07:46 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07656; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:07:33 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220207.SAA07656@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:07:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511220128.RAA00896@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 21, 95 05:28:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 660 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No in fsck it attempts to write nulls to the inode which requires it to read the block first, null out the inode, and write it back..... the read is failing.. you need to do a write with no prior read.. (using the blknum shown in dmesg, not the blknum mentionned in fsck) e.g. char buf[512]; main() int fd = open ( "/dev/rsd0",O_WRONLY,0); /* or whatever*/ lseek(fd, blknum*512, 0 ); /* without looking at the man page */ write (fd,buf,512); } > > Writes to the bad block are failing per fsck ... > On a fsck stage , it attempts to write nulls to the bad block > and the drive fails. I do have AWRE and ARRE set on the disk. > > Tnks, > Amancio > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 18:50:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA21290 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:50:29 -0800 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA21284 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:50:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA07025; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:06:07 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199511211206.RAA07025@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:06:07 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511210756.IAA16674@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 21, 95 08:56:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 978 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > i have not yet had a chance to play with a source-routing > > traceroute or to sendmail to myself by way of two sites in, say, > > australia. i have heard horror stories about non-us > > connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the > > usa. is this really teh case ?? > > Unfortunately, yes. :-( > > At least here, several upcoming providers start with a leased line to > US (or UK in one case) in order to provide their connectivity. > National interconnections often follow years behind. (One of these > providers was able to establish these interconnections meanwhile, at > least to other ones are still being routed via US.) Really the providers may get more profit when they are connected independently through USA if they charge more for the intercontinental traffic. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:02:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA21743 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:02:13 -0800 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA21738 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:01:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA14010; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:02:15 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199511220302.IAA14010@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Pentium Motherboards To: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:02:14 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9511211359.AA20361.gonzo@vmicls.com> from "Jerry Kendall" at Nov 21, 95 08:59:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 912 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At the office(where this message is coming from), I develop on > a SparcServer 1000 with 4(count em, 4) processors. about 30 users and > 256 Meg of RAM. I get very good response. > > My Pentium at home gets even better response. Now I do my personal > development at home. feels good to boast at work that my HOME system > appears to give better performance. Of course, being the only one > on the system DOES have a little to do with it. > > BUT, it IS the users perspective of repsonse time that counts. > > AM I RIGHT ????? > AM I RIGHT ????? A SuperSPARC/50MHz processor is approximately equal to 1.5 * Pentium/90MHz by the processing power. Let't count what you get on your SPARC: 4 processors * 1.5 / 30 users = 1/5 of Pentium Your Pentium at home is REALLY faster !!! :-) Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:08:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA22025 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:08:05 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA21978 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:59 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01298; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:08 -0800 To: Michael Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:45:21 GMT." <199511220145.BAA24214@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1296.817009628@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > > > Not LUNs. Unknowns. > > > > > Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > > > (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > > > > uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown > > > ... > > > > (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 > > > > uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown > > LUNs. The device is on ahc0, ID3, and it responds on LUN0 through LUN7. > The SCSI code sees seven seperate devices, all the same, and assigns seven > uk* devices to them. Ah, sorry - yes, you're right. I was confusing IDs with LUNs, as usual. > This augers poorly for the device's general compliance with any other part > of the spec 8( This seems to be the general rule for the two WORM drives I've had hooked to this machine so far! :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:24:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA22946 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:24:26 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA22930 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:24:14 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA24577; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:21:54 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220321.DAA24577@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:21:54 +0000 () Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511220128.RAA00896@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 21, 95 05:28:41 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 844 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. stands accused of saying: > > Writes to the bad block are failing per fsck ... > On a fsck stage , it attempts to write nulls to the bad block > and the drive fails. I do have AWRE and ARRE set on the disk. Have you powercycled the drive? Some don't appear to honour A*RE except at startup. Have you had A*RE enabled for a while? ie. is it possible that you're out of replacement sectors? You may have some joy with badsect(8) > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:28:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA23167 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:28:15 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA23162 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:28:12 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA24614; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:26:01 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220326.DAA24614@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:26:01 +0000 () Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511220207.SAA07656@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Nov 21, 95 06:07:33 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 885 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer stands accused of saying: > > No in fsck it attempts to write nulls to the inode > which requires it to read the block first, > null out the inode, and write it back..... > the read is failing.. With ARRE enabled, the block should be forwarded on read as well. If it's not, I'm not sure where you'd stand. (Is there a "forwarded block, may be corrupt" case with SCSI drives that might be causing the read command to still fail, even though the block has been relocated? > > Amancio -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:38:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA23653 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:27 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA23645 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:23 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07886; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:15 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220338.TAA07886@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Wide SCSI support To: wwchan@students.wisc.edu (Warner Chan) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:38:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511220253.UAA32211@audumla.students.wisc.edu> from "Warner Chan" at Nov 21, 95 08:53:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2506 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > At 05:03 PM 11/21/95 -0800, you wrote: > > >> The message are: > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> ahc1: 274x Wide Channel, scsi Id=7, aic7770 >= Rev E, 4 SCBs > >> ahc1 at 0x2000-0x20ff irq 11 on eisa slot2 > >> ahc1 waiting for scsi device to settle > >> (ahc1:0:0): "M64Q52 40 " type 0 fixed SCSI 7 > > ^ > >I hope that's a 2.. > yuK! > > > looks like the 'inquiry' command has returned total garbage.. > >> sd0(ahc1:0:0): Direct-Access 2464MB (5046275 512 byte sectors) ^ this looks slightly better > >> (ahc1:1:0): "42-9C12A T042-9 " type 0 fixed SCSI 3 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this is crap too > >> sd1(ahc1:1:0): Direct-Access 800MB (1638403 512 byte sectors) this looks possible, but is it right? > >> (ahc1:2:0): "NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:500 1.0" type 5 removable SCSI 2 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this is more like what SHOULD show up > >> cd0(ahc1:2:0): CD-ROM cd present. [266444 x 2048 byte records] > >> ahb0 not found > > >that's probably aha or ahb, right? > yeah! ahb0 I made a mistake here but not above. that's not a problem.. you really don't have one.. this is a problem for Mr Gibbs I think.... if you boot off the install floppy and do the 'fixit' option, can you access the drives using dd? e.g. dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null count=1000 bs=32k > > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> npx0 on motherboard > >> npx0: INT 16 interface > >> rootfs is 1000 kbyte compiled in MFS > >> /stand/sysinstall running as init > >> > >> > >you are running off the install floppy right? > >forgive me but I forget what problem your were having.. > >this seem sto have worked fine.. > >what was the problem..? > > >> >> >> Installion problem: Cannot parition wide scsi Harddisk (the > >> >> >> installion program cannot find SCSI hd) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Configuation: Adaptec 2742W wide scsi controller > >> >> >> Fujitsu M2694EQA 1GB Wide w/ id 0 > >> >> >> Micropolis 4221AVW 2GB Wide w/ id 1 > >> >> >> NEC 3xi CDROM w/ id 2 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The startup process was fine, kernel detect all the devices > >> >> >> listed above, but after get into the installion menu, and try > >> >> >> to choose HD for partition. Error display like: no installable > >> >> >> HD was found, check you HD controller. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Please Help!!!!!!!!!!! > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:44:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA24133 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:44:12 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA24062 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:44:01 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07906; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:43:31 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511220343.TAA07906@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:43:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511220326.DAA24614@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 22, 95 03:26:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 984 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk the drive will not forward the block if it thinks it can't recover the data that's why a write of nulls to the block SHOULD succeed.. it can forward that , knowing that the previous contents no-longer matter.. There is code in the driver to order a single block to be forwarded.. It's all there.. all it needs is to call the appropriate function from an ioctl. The only thing that was holding me back was the question of which .h file should define the ioctl..? > > Julian Elischer stands accused of saying: > > > > No in fsck it attempts to write nulls to the inode > > which requires it to read the block first, > > null out the inode, and write it back..... > > the read is failing.. > > With ARRE enabled, the block should be forwarded on read as well. If it's > not, I'm not sure where you'd stand. (Is there a "forwarded block, may be > corrupt" case with SCSI drives that might be causing the read command to > still fail, even though the block has been relocated? > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 19:55:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA24912 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:55:52 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA24906 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:55:43 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA24693; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:51:48 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220351.DAA24693@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:51:48 +0000 () Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511220343.TAA07906@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Nov 21, 95 07:43:30 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 966 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer stands accused of saying: > > the drive will not forward the block if it thinks it can't recover the data Ah. I wasn't aware they were that paranoid about it - though that certainly makes the most sense. > There is code in the driver to order a single block to be forwarded.. > It's all there.. all it needs is to call the appropriate function from an > ioctl. The only thing that was holding me back was the question of > which .h file should define the ioctl..? scsi.h seems to be the obvious one. I'd call it "badblock" and publicise it as much as possible 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Nov 21 21:24:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA04501 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:24:39 -0800 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA04492 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:24:34 -0800 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11155 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:24:33 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199511220524.AAA11155@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: dump errors ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:24:32 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 616 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting this error intermittantly when making backups with dump, and attempting to restore them on a new machine with restore -rf: Set directory mode, owner, and times. cannot find directory inode 1489928 abort? [yn] y dump core? [yn] y The dumps were made on live systems, is this whats causing this? If so a) how come it doesnt happen very often? b) How can I make dump reliably backup a live system? Going down to single user just isnt feasable for what I need. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 00:02:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA14155 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:02:43 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA13578 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:57:51 -0800 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA16504 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:50:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:50:29 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199511220750.IAA16504@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ncr/pci problem Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I reported a panic caused by an integer divide by zero trap (located as of DG in pentium_microtime (off memory)). This was repeatable as long as I had not set the PCI IRQ for that slot. I was so eager to see the board working that I plugged it in booted and - poof,panic instead of thinking and setting the IRQ first. mea culpa - though it is strange that an unset IRQ is causing such behaviour - a diagnostic would sure be better but I don't know whether it is possible at all to diagnose if an IRQ is set for a PCI slot. (I'm no PCI expert at all) So just to clarify - it was neither a ncr nor a 'general pci' problem as I put it in that posting. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 00:59:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA19124 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:59:05 -0800 Received: from isbalham (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19115 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:58:58 -0800 Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id IAA19261; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:52:26 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:03:20 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:53:21 +0000 To: Michael Smith From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk If it pops up on all 8 LUNs, either (a) it's fundamentally busted, or (b) it's set up to the same LUN as the host adapter (probably LUN7). This can happen by accident eg if it's in an external box with an external LUN switch which has been miswired (connector the wrong way round). >Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: >> (ahc0:3:0): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 >> uk0(ahc0:3:0): Unknown >... >> (ahc0:3:7): "IMS CDD521/10 " type 4 removable SCSI 1 >> uk7(ahc0:3:7): Unknown > >All 8 LUNs? Argh! Run! Run! This looks like one _very_ broken puppy 8( > >> Jordan > >-- >]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ >]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ >]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ >]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ >]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ -- Bob Bishop (01734) 774017 international code +44 1734 rb@gid.co.uk fax (01734) 894254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 01:24:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA21110 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:24:01 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21096 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:23:54 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA25560; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:20:39 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511220920.JAA25560@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:20:38 +0000 () Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Bob Bishop" at Nov 22, 95 08:53:21 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1711 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bob Bishop stands accused of saying: > > If it pops up on all 8 LUNs, either (a) it's fundamentally busted, or (b) > it's set up to the same LUN as the host adapter (probably LUN7). This can > happen by accident eg if it's in an external box with an external LUN > switch which has been miswired (connector the wrong way round). You too are confusing LUNs with IDs (aka TARGET numbers). This is common 8) On a given SCSI bus, you have 8 TARGET IDs. For each TARGET ID, there are eight LUNs. A properly compliant device should only show up on one TARGET ID, but may (depending on what it is) respond to more than one LUN. (eg. a multi-disk CD player may offer each disk on a seperate LUN. SCSI bus expanders use this technique and remangle passing headers to remap IDs and LUNs to put more than 8 devices onto a single bus. etc...) However, a device that responds identically to all eight LUNs on a given TARGET ID is most likely simply not checking the LUN field in the command header, and is thus fundamentally busted, to use your words 8) If the target code programmer was so slack as to not check the LUN field, you can be pretty sure that they've cut corners elsewhere. Whether these other corners bite you or not of course remains to be seen. > Bob Bishop (01734) 774017 international code +44 1734 -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 01:32:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA21677 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:32:54 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21668 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:32:45 -0800 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id BAA16038; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:31:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:31:09 -0800 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199511220931.BAA16038@netcom14.netcom.com> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Install woes.... Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk How can I install from a second drive on my system??? I downloaded the distribution to my second drive then nuked my first drive due to hard disks problems. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 01:42:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA22214 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:42:25 -0800 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA22040 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:38:28 -0800 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.235) with smtp id ; Wed, 22 Nov 95 10:37 MET Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA18170 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:37:25 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199511220937.KAA18170@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: minor things in 2.1.0-RELEASE ... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:37:25 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1426 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... which might be changed in 2.1.1: * sysinstall still creates and leaves a file /OK after the installation - i think sysinstall could remove it after it has completed * /etc/fstab.wd could be removed - in was done in -cuurent some time ago but not brought into stable i think * the ownerships of the XF86 stuff seems to be broken - everything is owned by root/10 - wrong group i think :-) * maybe i'm wrong - but the permissions of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts seem to be a bit very resticitive - 700 - here's what the dec alpha's osf^H^H^Hdigital unix say's: graichen@dirac:~> uname -a OSF1 dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de V3.0 347 alpha graichen@dirac:~> ls -ld /usr/lib/X11/fonts drwxr-xr-x 9 bin bin 512 Aug 9 1994 /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ that's all for now - but i should not forget to say thanks to all who worked on it - it's going better and better from release to release ... t _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 01:51:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA22650 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:51:33 -0800 Received: from risc6.unisa.ac.za (risc6.unisa.ac.za [163.200.97.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA22627 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:50:43 -0800 Received: by risc6.unisa.ac.za (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44649; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:28:48 +0200 From: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za (A. Radovanovic) Message-Id: <9511220928.AA44649@risc6.unisa.ac.za> Subject: 16 ports Boca - anyone using it? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:28:48 +0200 (USAST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 651 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I got a Boca BB2016 16 ports serial card. I am thinking to put it into the 2.0 system, but I am not shure is it going to work? Currently, I am using a 6 ports Boca. Alex ----------------------------+--------------------------------- Aleksandar Radovanovic + Mail: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za University of South Africa + radova@osprey.unisa.ac.za Dept. of Computer Science + WWW: http://osprey.unisa.ac.za P.O.Box 392 + Tel. (27) 12/429-603 Pretoria 0001 + Cell. (27) 83/226-7251 South Africa + Fax. (27) 12/429-6361 ----------------------------+--------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 02:03:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA23395 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:03:59 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23379 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:03:42 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20612 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:42 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA27225 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21449 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:22:07 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511220922.KAA21449@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available!# To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:22:06 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511211921.UAA17913@trinity.radio-do.de> from "Frank Nobis" at Nov 21, 95 08:21:41 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 801 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Frank Nobis wrote: > > I will ask at EUnet tomorrow. The only problem could be shortage of > space. As by now the mirror is not complete. Most of the subdirs are > empty. > > A mailing list would depend on mail.Germany.EU.net, but I am sure > there is a good chance to convince Bernard to do so. I think Christoph's machine (gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de) would suffice for a mail exploder, i'm afraid that the large EUnet machine would be somewhat ``too anonymous'' for this purpose (think of requests to the postmaster etc.). For the FTP server however, it's more a matter of disk space and connectivity, so EUnet is probably better. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 02:04:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA23427 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:04:09 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23366 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:03:30 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20636 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:52 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA27233 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21722 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:56:07 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511220956.KAA21722@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: option XSERVER deprecated? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:56:07 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" at Nov 21, 95 05:21:16 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 346 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > > I see NO reason why one should build a console without X support > > But other people do. But i wouldn't have a problem with reversing the logic. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 02:04:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA23545 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:04:44 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23522 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:04:31 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20619 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:45 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA27229 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:45 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21758 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:58:43 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511220958.KAA21758@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:58:43 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511211656.RAA13516@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Nov 21, 95 05:56:29 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 509 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out > and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's > pause a connection refused. I've been annoyed by this one, too. Often. Even for nearby connections (e.g. uriah.heep.sax.de <-> sax.sax.de, one hop; or even on a local ethernet). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 02:06:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA23658 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:06:18 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23639 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:06:08 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20596; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:34 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA27220; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:34 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21334; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:07:30 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511220907.KAA21334@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: HELP with typedef To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:07:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511211745.KAA25161@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Nov 21, 95 10:45:03 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 666 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Nate Williams wrote: > typedef char *StringList[]; > > StringList List = {"one","two","three","four","END OF LIST",""}; > It now compiles with 'gcc -Wall', and works like I think you intend it > to do. But it wouldn't compile with -Wwrite-strings. :-) typedef const char *StringList[]; is better, since gcc places the strings in the read-only text segment by default, so they are actually constant strings. The additional warning option lets gcc warn about attempts to overwrite these strings. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 02:06:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA23692 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:06:34 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23367 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:03:31 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20606 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:38 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA27224 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:37 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21405 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:15:39 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511220915.KAA21405@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:15:39 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <561.816980379@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 10:59:39 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 421 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > By two staging all list implementations: > > Makes sense to me! Agreed. Anyway, we should start with a low-traffic list like freebsd-chat, since an accidental mail loop on -hackers will certainly melt down poor freefall. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 02:07:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA23797 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:07:56 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA23773 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:07:31 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20632; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:50 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA27232; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:50 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21641; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:51:14 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511220951.KAA21641@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:51:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511212145.NAA00231@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 21, 95 01:45:55 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 536 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > My system disk is dying and I need to remove an inode -- all I got is > the disk block number which fsck reports . clri(8) or fsdb(8) (unfortunately, the latter sits in /usr/sbin, and only on a fairly recent system) > BTW: Why can't fsck remove or mark bad scsi blocks? Use automatic read/write reallocation on the SCSI level instead. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 04:52:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA06650 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 04:52:30 -0800 Received: from iis (iis.webnet.com.au [203.8.105.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA06642 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 04:52:26 -0800 Received: (from maral@localhost) by iis (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA20637; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:54:12 +1100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:54:11 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Marelas X-Sender: maral@iis To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time In-Reply-To: <199511220958.KAA21758@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > > When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out > > and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's > > pause a connection refused. > > I've been annoyed by this one, too. Often. Even for nearby > connections (e.g. uriah.heep.sax.de <-> sax.sax.de, one hop; or even > on a local ethernet). > Im using rsh over local ether on Win95 to run xterm's. In .rhosts I have the hostname and the FQDN and it seems ok. ie. gate gate.co.uk From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 05:11:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA08746 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:11:20 -0800 Received: from iis (iis.webnet.com.au [203.8.105.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA08737 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:11:15 -0800 Received: (from maral@localhost) by iis (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA20868; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:15:29 +1100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:15:29 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Marelas X-Sender: maral@iis To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Gated Alpha 11 2.1.0-RELEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Gated, that is included in the 2.1 packages is broken! If you add aliases to ether interfaces via /etc/rc.local, or during system boot, they dont work properly, ie you cant ping it. So, I went back to using the package in 2.0.5 release and everythings sweet. Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 05:19:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA10183 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:19:22 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA10178 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:19:17 -0800 Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA01059; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:20:45 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199511221320.IAA01059@hda.com> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:20:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: rb@gid.co.uk, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511220920.JAA25560@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 22, 95 09:20:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 545 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > However, a device that responds identically to all eight LUNs on a given > TARGET ID is most likely simply not checking the LUN field in the > command header, and is thus fundamentally busted, to use your words 8) A quick point: many many many devices are fundamentally busted in this way. Take a look at how many entries have the "ONE_LU" flag set in scsi/scsiconf.c. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 05:46:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA12979 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:46:05 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA12963 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:46:01 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA10178; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:33:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Revamping Mail distribution To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD hackers , Jordan K Hubbard , peter@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511220915.KAA21405@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > By two staging all list implementations: > > > > Makes sense to me! > > Agreed. Anyway, we should start with a low-traffic list like > freebsd-chat, since an accidental mail loop on -hackers will certainly > melt down poor freefall. starting with a low-traffic list is the way to go. if a site is ready to try this....i can coordinate with them to begin the process. who is collecting the list of participants.....feels like a new list is brewing: freebsd-mail-hubs@freebsd.org. i will have a port of majordomo, bulk_mailer, etc...ready on monday November 27th. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 06:02:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA14226 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 06:02:22 -0800 Received: from bigbird.vmicls.com (bigbird.vmicls.com [198.17.96.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA14220 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 06:02:19 -0800 Received: from gonzo by bigbird.vmicls.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1-vmicls-master-host-1) id JAA23498; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:04:45 -0500 From: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Organization: VMI Communications and Learning Systems Received: by gonzo (5.0/vmi-client-host-1) id AA29341; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:04:44 +0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:04:44 +0500 Message-Id: <9511221404.AA29341.gonzo@vmicls.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP with typedef X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 574 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > ------------------------------- > > typedef char *[] StringList; > > > > > > StringList List = {"one","two","three","four","END OF LIST",""}; > > > > PrintList( StringList *List) > > { > > int x; > > > > for(x = 0; List[x] != 0; x++) > > printf("List entry %d: %s\n", List[x]); > > } > > > > main() > > { > > PrintList(&List); > > } > > Trying to get something working can be a pain, BUT with all the help that is available over the Internet, as with this example, it can be a simple matter of asking for help. THANKS for all the replies. Jerry From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 06:25:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA16008 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 06:25:52 -0800 Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16003 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 06:25:49 -0800 Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA24544; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:24:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:24:09 -0600 (CST) From: Guy Helmer To: "A. Radovanovic" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 16 ports Boca - anyone using it? In-Reply-To: <9511220928.AA44649@risc6.unisa.ac.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, A. Radovanovic wrote: > I got a Boca BB2016 16 ports serial card. I am thinking to put it into the > 2.0 system, but I am not shure is it going to work? > Currently, I am using a 6 ports Boca. Yes, I have one BB2016 installed and working on a 33MHz 386 running FreeBSD 2.0.5. It's currently serving 8 lines with a mix of 14.4Kbps and 28.8Kbps modems. I have another 2016 waiting to be installed in our other modem server... > Alex Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 07:03:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA17492 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:03:56 -0800 Received: from nomad.osmre.gov (nomad.osmre.gov [192.243.129.244]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA17477 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:03:46 -0800 Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by nomad.osmre.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA03720; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:03:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:03:24 -0500 From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199511221503.KAA03720@nomad.osmre.gov> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: AWRE/ARRE, was: Help! I got a bad block.... Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk So to what do you set AWRE and ARRE to turn them on? 1? I looked through all the scsi stuff I could find but didn't find anything that documented the options and permissable values, (maybe I'm perceptively and/or cognitively challenged). If one of the SCSI gurus could point me to this info., I'd appreciate it! I am having a similar problem on a 1104 SNAP system but I only see it during fsck, never during normal operations. The machine is a moderately loaded news server with a fair amount of disk activity. What does this mean? Does it mean that these sectors have not yet been used for files, does fsck work the disk harder than normal file system operations, or what? TIA, Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 08:44:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA25021 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:44:51 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA25013 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:44:42 -0800 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA07545; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:42:36 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511221642.KAA07545@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 16 ports Boca - anyone using it? To: ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu (Guy Helmer) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:42:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Guy Helmer" at Nov 22, 95 08:24:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, A. Radovanovic wrote: > > > I got a Boca BB2016 16 ports serial card. I am thinking to put it into the > > 2.0 system, but I am not shure is it going to work? > > Currently, I am using a 6 ports Boca. > > Yes, I have one BB2016 installed and working on a 33MHz 386 running > FreeBSD 2.0.5. It's currently serving 8 lines with a mix of 14.4Kbps and > 28.8Kbps modems. I have another 2016 waiting to be installed in our > other modem server... I've been using one and have had mild problems - but I am currently suspecting the motherboard rather than the BocaBoard (every few weeks FreeBSD stops "seeing" interrupts from the board, fascinating, there's now a probe on the interrupt line so we can determine the hardware reality, but I suspect it will look just fine... and I'm using similar multiport hardware elsewhere, so I doubt it's FreeBSD... and that motherboard is a bit strange). Anyways, even in my case, it works GREAT 98% of the time :-) Other than the $^*@^@#^%$@ 10-pin RJ45-ish connectors which are a real pain (I like to make my own cables). Highly recommended piece of inexpensive hardware. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 08:45:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA25091 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:45:56 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA25084 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:45:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA03152; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:45:05 -0800 To: Michael Smith cc: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop), hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:20:38 GMT." <199511220920.JAA25560@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:45:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3150.817058704@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > However, a device that responds identically to all eight LUNs on a given > TARGET ID is most likely simply not checking the LUN field in the > command header, and is thus fundamentally busted, to use your words 8) Unfortunately, in the rarified atmosphere of the CD writer market (soon to get less so, I'm sure, but I still have to wait my turn) you need to also take whatever you can get.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 09:24:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA28217 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:24:38 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28210 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:24:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03360; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:23:54 -0800 To: Peter Marelas cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gated Alpha 11 2.1.0-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:15:29 +1100." Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:23:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3358.817061034@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Foo. That's the one that's added by the "Gated" configuration option in the 2.1 install.. :-( Ah well! A 2.1.1 fix I guess.. Jordan > Gated, that is included in the 2.1 packages is broken! > > If you add aliases to ether interfaces via /etc/rc.local, or during > system > boot, they dont work properly, ie you cant ping it. > > So, I went back to using the package in 2.0.5 release and everythings sweet. > > Peter > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 09:26:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA28276 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:26:06 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28265 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:25:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03373; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:24:52 -0800 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Joerg Wunsch , FreeBSD hackers , Jordan K Hubbard , peter@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revamping Mail distribution In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:33:42 EST." Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:24:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3371.817061092@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > who is collecting the list of participants.....feels like a new > list is brewing: freebsd-mail-hubs@freebsd.org. Yes, yes, do it Mr. Postmaster! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 09:28:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA28558 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:28:18 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28553 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:28:15 -0800 Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA18425 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:28:13 -0800 Received: from trumpet.etnet.com (trumpet.etnet.com [129.45.17.35]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00414; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:30:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:30:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199511221730.MAA00414@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Peter Marelas From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Gated Alpha 11 2.1.0-RELEASE Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Gated, that is included in the 2.1 packages is broken! > >If you add aliases to ether interfaces via /etc/rc.local, or during >system >boot, they dont work properly, ie you cant ping it. > >So, I went back to using the package in 2.0.5 release and everythings sweet. We had problems using aliases with a custom compile gated with 2.0.5R ...so it seems that gated may have changed something..... Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 09:52:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA29934 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:52:08 -0800 Received: from eunet.EU.net (eunet.EU.net [192.16.202.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29894 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:51:59 -0800 Received: from fennel.compnews.co.uk (fennel.compnews.co.uk [144.178.159.77]) by eunet.EU.net (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA15215 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:51:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from sage.compnews.co.uk by fennel.compnews.co.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 95 17:49:01 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:48:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Hird To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Ethernet cards for FreeBsd Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I'm setting up a PC with FreeBSD on it to act as a router between two networks of machines. All seems fine except we've got 3COM Etherlink III (3C509B models) and in the LINT kernal it mentions that the ep0 code for it is "buggy". What exactly does this mean? And how badly would this affect the machine when its acting as a router (I suspect quite badly!!). Does this still apply in 2.1R (same comment in LINT). Finally, what ethernet cards would people recommend for use with a machine which is to act as a router - I guess a fast reliable card is what I'm looking for. Thanks for any suggestions. Andy Hird Andrew Hird, (IS Eng) andyh@padd.press.net, a programmer Voice: +44 1430 488247 Fax: +44 1430 432450 "You're a heart of dead tomato washed with moldy purple spots, Mr Grinch" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 10:06:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA00875 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:06:51 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00831 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:04:29 -0800 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA21234; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:01:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199511221801.TAA21234@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: mail exploder (was Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available!#) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:01:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199511220922.KAA21449@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 22, 95 10:22:06 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1017 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > As Frank Nobis wrote: > > > > I will ask at EUnet tomorrow. The only problem could be shortage of > > space. As by now the mirror is not complete. Most of the subdirs are > > empty. > > > > A mailing list would depend on mail.Germany.EU.net, but I am sure > > there is a good chance to convince Bernard to do so. > > I think Christoph's machine (gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de) would suffice > for a mail exploder, i'm afraid that the large EUnet machine would be > somewhat ``too anonymous'' for this purpose (think of requests to the > postmaster etc.). Welcome in principle. Only give me some time until supservice and ftp service have settled a bit. > > For the FTP server however, it's more a matter of disk space and > connectivity, so EUnet is probably better. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 10:26:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA01480 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:26:14 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01467 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:25:56 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Wed, 22 Nov 95 18:26 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA09112; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:15:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199511221815.TAA09112@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: enabling new devices To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:15:08 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511212114.NAA07120@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Nov 21, 95 01:14:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 651 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer writes: > > You need to make a kernel with this option device compiled into it.. > there is an FAQ on compiling kernels.. look in /usr/share/FAQ > or see www.freebsd.org for what is always the latest version.. Specifically, add this line down with the other pseudo-devices at the bottom of your kernel config file (in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf): pseudo-device bpfilter 16 # Berkeley packet filter > > FreeBSD 2.0.5 comes with a tcpdump binary. > > This requires /dev/bpf0 (1) to be operational. > > sh MAKEDEV local bpf0 creates the device, but does not > > configure it. > > Can I config it through the boot utility somehow? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 11:15:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA03519 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:15:48 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03510 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:15:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA14961; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:17:50 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511221917.UAA14961@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: connectivity problems... To: grog@lemis.de Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:17:49 +0100 (MET) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511211255.NAA13591@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 21, 95 01:54:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1655 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > > > > i have heard horror stories about non-us > > connectivity--several nets in one country reach each other by way of the > > usa. is this really teh case ?? > > 'fraid so. This is how I get to Joerg, who's only about 150 miles > down the road: ... traceroute output omitted > > if so regional majordomo's need to reflect the net topology more > > closely than a simple divison along political boundaries. > > There's also a question of net load. If you look at the figures > above, you'll notice that the time from me to ipgate2.win-ip.dfn.de > was under .5 second. From there to sax.sax.de (all inside Germany, in > the DFN), things rapidly go to hell. I'm told that this is a normal > state of affairs. same here. The nice thing is, you ping the remote side (the US in our case) and get up to 70% of packet losses, practically independent of the size of the packet, and often also of the sending rate (tried with ping -s xxx -f). For those packets which pass through the RTT has a surprisingly low variance (considering the loss rate), and the bandwidth is equally high (>100Kbit/s). I am wondering how big are the receive queues on these routers, and if they have configuration or software problems! Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:21:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA08193 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:21:35 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08188 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:21:29 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA06631; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:17:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511222017.NAA06631@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:17:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511220042.AAA23978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 22, 95 00:42:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1084 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > My system disk is dying and I need to remove an inode -- all I got is > > the disk block number which fsck reports . > > > > BTW: Why can't fsck remove or mark bad scsi blocks? > > Because nobody's added that 8). You should be able to turn on bad sector > forwarding in the drive and have it do the work itself. Have a look > at scsi(8) : > > scsi -f /dev/rsd0 -m1 -e -P 3 > > and set AWRE and ARRE to enable reallocation on both read and write. > Many drives ship with this off. I've always wondered about this. If the area is reserved anyway, then why ever ship with it off? If the area isn't reserved, then exactly what lossage should I expect to see when enabling it? If the replacement sectors are otherwise exposed as usable data sectors, turning it on would be Bad(tm) if you have already stored data on the drive. If the replacement sectors are not otherwise exposed as usable data sectors, having it off at all is silly. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:28:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA08493 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:28:05 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08456 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:27:50 -0800 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA21569 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:47:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:47:38 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199511221947.UAA21569@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Future Domain TMC-845 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Anyone having FreeBSD working with this rare device? FreeBSDs autoconfigure does not detect this board. It is an 8bit type kind a successor of the ST02 controller, I believe. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:34:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA09011 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:34:58 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08992 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:34:48 -0800 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA21746; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:33:58 +0100 Message-Id: <199511222033.VAA21746@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: maral@webnet.com.au (Peter Marelas) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:33:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (user alias) In-Reply-To: from "Peter Marelas" at Nov 22, 95 11:54:11 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 986 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > > > > When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out > > > and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's > > > pause a connection refused. > > > > I've been annoyed by this one, too. Often. Even for nearby > > connections (e.g. uriah.heep.sax.de <-> sax.sax.de, one hop; or even > > on a local ethernet). > > > > Im using rsh over local ether on Win95 to run xterm's. > > In .rhosts I have the hostname and the FQDN and it seems ok. > > ie. > gate > gate.co.uk rsh is not the problem. I can do repeated rsh within short intervals. It's just after an explicit rlogin. Also I'm not sure if it's a client or server problem. Both systems are FreeBSD 2.2 resp. 2.0.5. I tried what you suggested (putting both names into .rhosts). All I got once was a prompt for a password on second login. > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:50:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA10098 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:50:16 -0800 Received: from tcsi.tcs.com (tcsi.tcs.com [137.134.41.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA10092 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:50:11 -0800 Received: from phact.tcs.com (phact.tcs.com [137.134.41.99]) by tcsi.tcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA26299; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:47:29 -0800 Received: from cozumel.tcs.com (cozumel.tcs.com [137.134.104.12]) by phact.tcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA25886; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:47:28 -0800 From: Douglas Ambrisko Received: (ambrisko@localhost) by cozumel.tcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA04776; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:47:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199511222047.MAA04776@cozumel.tcs.com> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:47:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: dufault@hda.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1054.816987570@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 21, 95 12:59:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 682 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Putting a CD-R on a FreeBSD machine is a nice goal, but what is being done to ensure CD-R's are not starved. CD-R drives need some type of guarenteed real-time access. Big buffers in CD-R help but I've seen UNIX boxes slow down to a crawl before. This is why we use the Young Minds CD-Studio for our releases in an UNIX environment. It may be expensive but it produces reliable CD's and doesn't require any kernel mods since it emulates a tape drive and a CDROM for testing. Now if someones does this for FreeBSD I'd be interested, however, I don't have access to any spare drives so I wouldn't be of much help. Of course with prices falling on 2X CD-R drives ... Doug A. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:53:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA10381 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:53:02 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA10357 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:52:47 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA06911; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:37 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA06889; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:37 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA23167; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:56:13 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511221956.UAA23167@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 16 ports Boca - anyone using it? To: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za (A. Radovanovic) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:56:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9511220928.AA44649@risc6.unisa.ac.za> from "A. Radovanovic" at Nov 22, 95 11:28:48 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 547 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As A. Radovanovic wrote: > > I got a Boca BB2016 16 ports serial card. I am thinking to put it into the > 2.0 system, but I am not shure is it going to work? > Currently, I am using a 6 ports Boca. sax.sax.de uses one with 2.0.5R. We are satisfied with it (even though Rod Grimes has undergone much troubles in getting it). It currently serves 8 modems on a 486/40 16 MB machine. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:53:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA10401 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:53:09 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA10379 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:53:00 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA06918 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:39 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA06890 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:38 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA23253 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:03:59 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511222003.VAA23253@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:03:59 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511220920.JAA25560@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 22, 95 09:20:38 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 443 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > However, a device that responds identically to all eight LUNs on a given > TARGET ID is most likely simply not checking the LUN field in the > command header, and is thus fundamentally busted, to use your words 8) All CD-ROM burners seem to do this. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:53:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA10474 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:53:46 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA10465 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:53:33 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA06927 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:42 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA06893 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA23496 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:25:38 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511222025.VAA23496@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:25:37 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Peter Marelas" at Nov 22, 95 11:54:11 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 669 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Marelas wrote: > > Im using rsh over local ether on Win95 to run xterm's. > > In .rhosts I have the hostname and the FQDN and it seems ok. > > ie. > gate > gate.co.uk Either of them is sufficient for FreeBSD 2. (The hostname is canonicalized by DNS before matching it.) Christoph's and my problem doesn't appear _always_, only sometimes. For me, it's about < 5 % of all my login attempts on the affected machines. (The target machines do all run FreeBSD 2.0.5.) That's what makes it weird. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 12:54:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA10522 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:54:09 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA10516 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:54:01 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA06882; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:23 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA06877; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:52:23 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA23343; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:14:26 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511222014.VAA23343@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: dump errors ? To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:14:26 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511220524.AAA11155@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Nov 22, 95 00:24:32 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 443 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Charles Henrich wrote: > > Set directory mode, owner, and times. > cannot find directory inode 1489928 > abort? [yn] y > dump core? [yn] y > > The dumps were made on live systems, is this whats causing this? It seems so, but i don't have answers for the remaining questions. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 13:10:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA11718 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:10:11 -0800 Received: from odin.INS.CWRU.Edu (odin.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA11624 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:08:36 -0800 Received: (chet@localhost) by odin.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-ins) id PAA20410; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:08:14 -0500 (from chet) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:04:52 -0500 From: Chet Ramey To: arnold@skeeve.atl.ga.us, composer@beyond.dreams.org, friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu, joshua5@cs.bu.edu, dob@inel.gov, mjo@msen.com, jason@servio.slc.com, timbo@ig.co.uk, trost@cse.ogi.edu, zoo@armadillo.com, lubkin@cs.rochester.edu, james@bigtex.cactus.org, Greg.Onufer@Eng.Sun.COM, kre@munnari.oz.au, tmwalden@saturn.sys.acc.com, torvalds@cc.helsinki.fi, i.watson@lilly.com, glenn@mathcs.emory.edu, penningt@reason.psc.edu, devet@adv.iaehv.nl, grog@lemis.de, djm@eng.umd.edu, wieting@tweety.llnl.gov, geoffc@research.att.com, de5@ornl.gov, kayvan@satyr.sylvan.com, smd@uunet.ca, asjl@connect.com.au, mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz, david@cs.dal.ca, jwe@che.utexas.edu, quinlan@best.com, Karl.Kleinpaste@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU, bammi@cadence.com, sanders@bsdi.com, tramey@boi.hp.com Subject: Updated beta release of bash-1.14.6 available Cc: sandro@elf.com, drich@sgi.com, carson@cs.columbia.edu, Doug.Becker@Eng.Sun.COM, deven@asylum.sf.ca.us, remy@ccs.neu.edu, freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org, dtm@nsd.3com.com, kjetilho@ifi.uio.no, cam@iinet.com.au, wbader@EECS.Lehigh.Edu, hniksic@neumijko.srce.hr, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov, jsh@canary.com, gjb@gba.oz.au, andreas@MPA-Garching.MPG.DE, pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us, peterc@suite.sw.oz.au, brown@eff.org, bothner@cygnus.com, tudor@cs.pub.ro, fox@cac.washington.edu, hag@gnu.ai.mit.edu, root@candle.pha.pa.us, neal@ctd.comsat.com, grw@tamu.edu, schwab@issan.informatik.uni-dortmund.de, haible@ma2s2.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de, rfg@segfault.us.com, haahr@netcom.com, eggert@twinsun.com, chet@odin.INS.CWRU.Edu, torek@bsdi.com Reply-To: chet@po.CWRU.Edu Message-ID: <9511222004.AA20189.SM@odin.INS.CWRU.Edu> Read-Receipt-To: chet@po.CWRU.Edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There have been a few bug reports and some new machine descriptions submitted since the first beta release of bash-1.14.6. I have made a new beta release and put it up for FTP with the URL ftp://slc2.ins.cwru.edu/pub/hidden/bash-1.14.6.tar.gz Please try to build this and let me know if I've blown it badly. If it's not too bad, I will probably release it to the world as bash-1.14.6. The updated NEWS file is appended. As always, thanks very much for your help. Chet +========== NEWS ==========+ This file documents the bugs fixed between this release, bash-1.14.6, and the last public bash release, 1.14.5. 1. Bugs fixed in Bash a. Fix to the `fc' builtin to prevent core dumps when the history list is empty. b. Fix to `getopts' to keep it from running off the end of the array of positional parameters. c. FIFOs are now created with mode 600 for security reasons. d. The list of active file descriptors connected to files in /dev/fd is now properly zeroed when allocated or extended. e. Fix to trap so that the exit status is preserved around the command executed via `trap 0', unless that command contains a call to exit. If a call to exit appears, that will set the exit value for the shell. f. Fixed an off-by-one error that caused words to be split incorrectly when IFS was set to "'". g. Fixed an off-by-one error that caused completion to sometimes fail when escaped single quotes appeared in the command line. h. Fixed a parser error that occasionally resulted in close braces (`}') causing syntax errors. i. There is now a machine description for HPUX version 10.x. j. Fixed an obscure bug that caused machines without restartable syscalls to drop backslash-escaped characters when reading here documents in an interactive shell. k. Fixed a bug that caused FIGNORE to occasionally allow some completions that should be ignored. l. New machine descriptions: NetBSD/pmax, Linux/m68k, BSD/OS/sparc. m. Fixed a bug that caused the `vi' mode `v' command to execute the original command after it was changed in the editor. n. Fixed some substitution bugs that left occasional stray CTLNUL characters in the results of variable expansion. 2. Bugs fixed in Readline a. Fix to the history searching functions so a null search string does not cause readline to seg fault. b. Fixed a bug in the completion code which caused words appearing on a line after a quoted string to not be completed correctly. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer Chet Ramey, Case Western Reserve University Internet: chet@po.CWRU.Edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 13:13:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA12038 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:13:48 -0800 Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA12032 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:13:39 -0800 Received: by Sysiphos id AA00207 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:12:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199511222112.AA00207@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:12:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: Wilko Bulte "using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R" (Nov 21, 19:32) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 21, 19:32, Wilko Bulte wrote: } Subject: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R } Hi } } When testing a NCR810 card I got cheaply (~ $20) using 205R I noticed } some strangeness when I tried disklabel on a virgin disk. Quite a } lot of messages from the ncr driver about some assert/assumption } failing and then a sort of scsi bus lockup. What drive brand/model was that ? This happens when using the Quantum Grand-Prix with the NCR driver in 2.0.5R. I'd really like to know, whether another drive fails in the same way ... } When I used the system's onboard 810 I had a similar experience so } it's probably not hardware. BTW Machine is a Digital Celebris P90, } 8Mb. No, it's the result of a SCSI message reject, which is not correctly dealt with by the driver. } General question: I plan to put this 810 in my to-be-bought Pentium. } Is 205R generally stable with a 810 or do I need 2.1R ? 2.1R should have this fixed. You'll only need to boot the boot floppy, since the assertion failure is at probe time ... You ought to be able to integrate the latest NCR driver into 2.0.5, but you'll need the new generic SCSI code (/sys/scsi/*), too. I could send you 2.1R on tape, if this will help your decision to do the upgrade now :) Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 13:36:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA13651 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:36:52 -0800 Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA13645 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:36:45 -0800 Received: from trumpet.etnet.com (trumpet.etnet.com [129.45.17.35]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01074; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:39:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:39:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199511222139.QAA01074@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: 2.1.0R installation feedback Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Installation of 2.1.0 went very smoothly.....once I put 8 meg in the box. It kept rebooting with 4 Meg. The extra informationals are nice.... Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 13:46:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA14121 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:46:50 -0800 Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA14113 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:46:36 -0800 Received: by nwnexus.wa.com id AA02870 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:46:32 -0800 Received: (from gfm@localhost) by angel.readybox.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA11686 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:09:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:09:27 -0800 From: Frank McCormick Message-Id: <199511222109.NAA11686@angel.readybox.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Router floppy? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There used to be occasional references to a "router floppy" image, presumably tucked away somewhere on freefall. Does such a critter still exist? Frank McCormick From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 13:53:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA14426 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:53:04 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA14417 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:52:48 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA08185; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:52:42 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA08398; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:52:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA23724; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:48:20 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511222148.WAA23724@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: AWRE/ARRE, was: Help! I got a bad block.... To: gfoster@gfoster.com (Glen Foster) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:48:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511221503.KAA03720@nomad.osmre.gov> from "Glen Foster" at Nov 22, 95 10:03:24 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 249 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Glen Foster wrote: > > So to what do you set AWRE and ARRE to turn them on? 1? yes -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 13:53:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA14439 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:53:11 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA14420 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:52:53 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA08193 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:52:43 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA08399 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:52:43 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA23746 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:49:20 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511222149.WAA23746@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: mail exploder (was Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available!#) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:49:20 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511221801.TAA21234@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Nov 22, 95 07:01:42 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 440 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > I think Christoph's machine (gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de) would suffice > > for a mail exploder,... > > Welcome in principle. Only give me some time until supservice and > ftp service have settled a bit. I didn't demand it for tomorrow. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 14:17:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA15903 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:17:31 -0800 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA15897 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:17:20 -0800 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.124) with smtp id ; Wed, 22 Nov 95 23:17 MET Received: by dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de; id AA07517; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:17:07 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <9511222217.AA07517@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: want your comments To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:17:06 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3912 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello i just want to ask around for pros's and con's of the following things i plan to commit: * /usr/bin/newsyslog - this automates the "rotation" of the log files and can replace our "rotation by hand" in the /etc/[daily,weekly,monthly] scripts - it is invoked via cron each our (the entry is there - but we don't have a newsyslog) and can be configured via a /etc/newsyslog.conf file (where you may adjust how often and/or after which size the files should be rotated, how many old versions should be keeped and if they should be compressed using gzip) this would include the adaption of the /etc/[daily, ...] scripts (taken from NetBSD) * /usr/sbin/spray and /usr/libexec/rpc.sprayd (both from NetBSD) this would include the adaption of the /etc/inetd.conf (rpc.sprayd) NAME spray - send many packets to host SYNOPSIS spray [-c count] [-d delay] [-l length] host ... DESCRIPTION Spray sends multiple RPC packets to host and records how many of them were correctly received and how long it took. Spray is intended for use in network testing, measurement, and management. This command can be very hard on a network and should be used with caution. NAME sprayd, rpc.sprayd - spray server SYNOPSIS /usr/libexec/rpc.sprayd DESCRIPTION rpc.sprayd is a server which records packets sent by the spray(1) command and sends a traffic report to the originator of the packets. The rpc.sprayd daemon is normally invoked by inetd(8). rpc.sprayd uses an RPC protocol defined in /usr/include/rpcsvc/spray.x. * /usr/bin/quota and /usr/libexec/rpc.rquotad (both from NetBSD) this would include the adaption of the /etc/inetd.conf (rpc.rquotad) (i think i'll have to check also quota - because it seems that it doesn't support asking nfs mounts via rquota - i want to get the NetBSD quota to compare now) NAME rquotad, rpc.rquotad - remote quota server SYNOPSIS /usr/libexec/rpc.rquotad DESCRIPTION rpc.rquotad is a rpc(3) server which returns quotas for a user of a local filesystem which is NFS-mounted onto a remote machine. quota(1) uses the results to display user quotas for remote filesystems. rpc.rquotad is normally invoked by inetd(8). rpc.rquotad uses an RPC protocol defined in /usr/include/rpcsvc/rquota.x. * /etc/rc.i386 and /usr/bin/ibcs2 - some slight cosmetic changes they change the output for instance from: --- +++ --- enabling FreeBSD/i386 options: ibcs2 emulator installed coff loader installed socksys driver installed configuring syscons: [kbdcontrol: keymap] screensaver: blank screen saver installed . --- +++ --- to (the i think a bit better and more organized looking): --- +++ --- enabling FreeBSD/i386 options: loading iBCS2 emulation: * ibcs2 emulator installed * coff loader installed * socksys driver installed configuring syscons: * kbdcontrol: keymap * screensaver: blank screen saver installed done --- +++ --- all the other things are also adapted equivalent (i only did it here for 2.1.0 - thus things like the linux-script will be changed as well for -current) * maybe i'll add some sysconfig/rc.i386 stuff for the pcvt configuration (maybe with joerg - joerg - are you there :-) is there someone against these ideas ? - any testers/reviewers ? t _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 14:28:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA16483 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:28:32 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA16456 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:28:24 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA10625 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:28:16 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA27185 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:28:14 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id XAA11394; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:23:47 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511222223.XAA11394@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Revamping Mail distribution To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:23:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, peter@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Nov 22, 95 08:33:42 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Jonathan M. Bresler said: > if a site is ready to try this....i can coordinate with them to > begin the process. I have a site candidate for the mail hib and two for primary/secondary for fr.freebsd.org. I'm checking with both admins right now :-) > who is collecting the list of participants.....feels like a new > list is brewing: freebsd-mail-hubs@freebsd.org. Good ! > i will have a port of majordomo, bulk_mailer, etc...ready on > monday November 27th. Majordomo is already installed on the machine and I already manage several lists so it should be easy. I welcome any info on using bulk_mailer/runfast/runslow though. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 14:28:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA16521 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:28:46 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA16503 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:28:40 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA10623 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:28:13 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA27182 ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:28:12 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id XAA11384; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:21:14 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511222221.XAA11384@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: AWRE/ARRE, was: Help! I got a bad block.... To: gfoster@gfoster.com (Glen Foster) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:21:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511221503.KAA03720@nomad.osmre.gov> from "Glen Foster" at Nov 22, 95 10:03:24 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Glen Foster said: > From owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Wed Nov 22 18:39:00 1995 > Return-Path: owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org > Received: (from uucp@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) with UUCP id SAA10477 for roberto; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:39:00 +0100 (MET) > Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) > by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA26155 > for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:04:00 +0100 > Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) > by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA04169 > for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:03:57 +0100 > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA17739 > ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:07:43 -0800 > Received: (from root@localhost) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA17492 > for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:03:56 -0800 > Received: from nomad.osmre.gov (nomad.osmre.gov [192.243.129.244]) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA17477 > for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:03:46 -0800 > Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by nomad.osmre.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA03720; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:03:24 -0500 > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:03:24 -0500 > From: Glen Foster > Message-Id: <199511221503.KAA03720@nomad.osmre.gov> > To: hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: AWRE/ARRE, was: Help! I got a bad block.... > Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org > Precedence: bulk > > > So to what do you set AWRE and ARRE to turn them on? 1? I looked > through all the scsi stuff I could find but didn't find anything that > documented the options and permissable values, (maybe I'm perceptively > and/or cognitively challenged). If one of the SCSI gurus could point > me to this info., I'd appreciate it! Look into scsi(8). You'll see that to display SCSI pages you need to do scsi -m page# -f /dev/rsd#c and that to change the saved values of a page's parameters, you need to add -P 3 to the preceding command line. To change both AWRE and ARRE parameters for sd0, you 'll have to issue the following command, change the values into your editor and save them. scsi -f /dev/rsd0c -m 1 -P 3 -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 15:00:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA18259 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:00:07 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA18207 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:59:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02303; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:58:43 -0800 To: Douglas Ambrisko cc: dufault@hda.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, dufault@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:47:14 PST." <199511222047.MAA04776@cozumel.tcs.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:58:43 -0800 Message-ID: <2300.817081123@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Putting a CD-R on a FreeBSD machine is a nice goal, but what is being > done to ensure CD-R's are not starved. CD-R drives need some type of > guarenteed real-time access. Big buffers in CD-R help but I've seen > UNIX boxes slow down to a crawl before. This is why we use the Young Minds > CD-Studio for our releases in an UNIX environment. It may be expensive We have the YMI gear ourselves, and have multiple burner boxes scattered across different platforms, but that's no reason not to try to push the envelope a little.. :-) We've been wanting to see if this was even *possible* for awhile now. Now at least one of us has something that we can try a few proof-of-concept pokes at. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 16:00:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA24312 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:00:04 -0800 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net ([204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA24257 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:59:57 -0800 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA24215; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:59:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:59:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Thomas Graichen cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: want your comments In-Reply-To: <9511222217.AA07517@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I like all these things very much. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 16:05:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA24916 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:05:34 -0800 Received: from wiley.muc.ditec.de (wiley.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA24899 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:05:25 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (slip139-92-42-158.emea.ibm.net [139.92.42.158]) by wiley.muc.ditec.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA01268 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:05:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13978 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:17:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211917.UAA13978@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Nurnberg Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-mailer: EXMH version 1.6.4 10/10/95 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:17:19 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Any FreeBSD'ers near Nurnberg, Germany ? I will be working there a couple of weeks, Anyone there fancy a beer one evening ? ( The car uses `leaded', but I drink `unleaded' if driving :-) PS Jordan your list of reccomended pizza & capucino places is requested :-) Julian S. Munich EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Tel +49 89 268616 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 16:19:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA25870 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:19:14 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA25861 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:19:02 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA12649; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:24:22 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20241 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:18:54 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18822 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:51:37 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA00862; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:53:03 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199511221853.TAA00862@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: AWRE/ARRE, was: Help! I got a bad block.... To: gfoster@gfoster.com (Glen Foster) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:53:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511221503.KAA03720@nomad.osmre.gov> from "Glen Foster" at Nov 22, 95 10:03:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1279 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > So to what do you set AWRE and ARRE to turn them on? 1? I looked > through all the scsi stuff I could find but didn't find anything that > documented the options and permissable values, (maybe I'm perceptively > and/or cognitively challenged). If one of the SCSI gurus could point > me to this info., I'd appreciate it! Both are a function of the SCSI drive itself. You have to (de)select it by setting the appropriate bit(s) in the drives modepages. Doing so take something like SCSICNTRL.EXE an unsupported tool from Adaptec that runs on top of a ASPI compliant driver. Maybe there is also a way to do it using FreeBSD, but I dunno. Wilko > moderately loaded news server with a fair amount of disk activity. > What does this mean? Does it mean that these sectors have not yet > been used for files, does fsck work the disk harder than normal file > system operations, or what? Maybe the sectors contain only filesystem metadata for as of yet unused data areas?? Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 16:19:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA25897 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:19:23 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA25872 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:19:14 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA12655; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:24:33 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20259 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:19:06 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18833 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:51:39 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA00923; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:10:40 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199511221910.UAA00923@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Wide SCSI support To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:10:39 +0100 (MET) Cc: wwchan@students.wisc.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511220338.TAA07886@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Nov 21, 95 07:38:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1713 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >> ahc1: 274x Wide Channel, scsi Id=7, aic7770 >= Rev E, 4 SCBs > > >> ahc1 at 0x2000-0x20ff irq 11 on eisa slot2 > > >> ahc1 waiting for scsi device to settle > > >> (ahc1:0:0): "M64Q52 40 " type 0 fixed SCSI 7 > > > ^ > > >I hope that's a 2.. > > > yuK! > > > > > > > looks like the 'inquiry' command has returned total garbage.. > > >> sd0(ahc1:0:0): Direct-Access 2464MB (5046275 512 byte sectors) > ^ this looks slightly better > > > >> (ahc1:1:0): "42-9C12A T042-9 " type 0 fixed SCSI 3 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this is crap too > > > >> sd1(ahc1:1:0): Direct-Access 800MB (1638403 512 byte sectors) > this looks possible, but is it right? > > >> (ahc1:2:0): "NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:500 1.0" type 5 removable SCSI 2 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this is more like what SHOULD > show up > > >> cd0(ahc1:2:0): CD-ROM cd present. [266444 x 2048 byte records] > > >> ahb0 not found Is your harddisk a wide SCSI drive? I've hear of someone who saw something about as weird when he used a narrow scsi drive on a wide scsi controller. Apparantly the communication between the two about which bus width (8 or 16) to use was simply not working. It was not Freebsd, and I forgot about the details. So, just wild guess. Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 17:02:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA29130 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:02:31 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA29125 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:02:27 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA02885; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:02:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA02026; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:59:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199511230059.QAA02026@corbin.Root.COM> To: Thomas Graichen cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: want your comments In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 95 23:17:06 +0100." <9511222217.AA07517@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:59:05 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >hello > >i just want to ask around for pros's and con's of the following things >i plan to commit: > >* /usr/bin/newsyslog - this automates the "rotation" of the log files > and can replace our "rotation by hand" in the > /etc/[daily,weekly,monthly] scripts - it is invoked via cron each our > (the entry is there - but we don't have a newsyslog) and can be > configured via a /etc/newsyslog.conf file (where you may adjust how > often and/or after which size the files should be rotated, how many > old versions should be keeped and if they should be compressed using gzip) > this would include the adaption of the /etc/[daily, ...] scripts > (taken from NetBSD) Since this will only be run by the superuser, it should go in /usr/sbin. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 17:15:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA00277 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:15:43 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA00272 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:15:42 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA10159; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:15:06 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511230115.RAA10159@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: AWRE/ARRE, was: Help! I got a bad block.... To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:15:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: gfoster@gfoster.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511221853.TAA00862@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Nov 22, 95 07:53:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1346 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > So to what do you set AWRE and ARRE to turn them on? 1? I looked > > through all the scsi stuff I could find but didn't find anything that > > documented the options and permissable values, (maybe I'm perceptively > > and/or cognitively challenged). If one of the SCSI gurus could point > > me to this info., I'd appreciate it! > > Both are a function of the SCSI drive itself. You have to (de)select > it by setting the appropriate bit(s) in the drives modepages. > > Doing so take something like SCSICNTRL.EXE an unsupported tool from > Adaptec that runs on top of a ASPI compliant driver. > > Maybe there is also a way to do it using FreeBSD, but I dunno. > > Wilko > > > moderately loaded news server with a fair amount of disk activity. > > What does this mean? Does it mean that these sectors have not yet > > been used for files, does fsck work the disk harder than normal file > > system operations, or what? > > Maybe the sectors contain only filesystem metadata for as of yet > unused data areas?? > > Wilko > > _ __________________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 18:17:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA03612 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:17:37 -0800 Received: from ast.com (irvine.ast.com [165.164.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA03607 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:17:34 -0800 Received: from fw.ast.com by ast.com with SMTP id AA17633 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:18:17 -0800 Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tIQrw-00008UC; Wed, 22 Nov 95 19:54 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #19) id m0tIQkj-000J7dC; Wed, 22 Nov 95 19:47 WET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 19:47 WET To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, rb@gid.co.uk, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org From: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed Nov 22 1995, 19:47:05 CST Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [0]However, a device that responds identically to all eight LUNs on a given [0]TARGET ID is most likely simply not checking the LUN field in the [0]command header, and is thus fundamentally busted, to use your words 8) [1]Unfortunately, in the rarified atmosphere of the CD writer market (soon [1]to get less so, I'm sure, but I still have to wait my turn) you need [1]to also take whatever you can get.. :-) Actually, I have an *ancient* Sony CD-W1/CD-E1 CD-ROM burner (encoder and burner are in separate units and it all cost $20K in 1991 plus $5K for software), and it responds on ALL the LUNs under a single target ID to certain commands. I recall that we encountered this behavior on a device/media-type query command. The Sony manual explains why: The system supports multiple CD-ROM writers under the encoder (up to 8) and when writing, the host only writes the sectors to the first LUN and it passes the data in EFM format on an optical bus to the other writers. (All writers burn the same image.) But certain commands targeted to the other LUNs for status and other enquiries return information specific for a given writer. For example, the burning software can detect and report a servo error on LUN 3 (writer 3) but that recording is progressing nicely on LUNs 0, 1, 2 and 4. Commands directly related to controller or writing activities will respond on all LUNs regardless of additional writers being present. Commands specific to individual writers (like head position status) return information on that writer, including ready/not ready status. Subsequently, referencing LUNs 1-7 when there is no hardware may return confusing/conflicting information to commands, based on how Sony categorized the commands (controller command vs lun command). Perhaps this explains the behavior you are seeing in the burner you have and this type of action probably confuses our probing routines. Frank Durda IV |"Knowledge is power, so be or uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Fastest Route)| sure to give some away today. ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | Doing this annoys Microsoft." ...decvax!fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem | (C) 1995 FDIV From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 18:18:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA03645 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:18:13 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03640 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:18:09 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA27652; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:16:14 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511230216.CAA27652@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:16:13 +0000 () Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511222017.NAA06631@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 22, 95 01:17:44 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1604 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > and set AWRE and ARRE to enable reallocation on both read and write. > > Many drives ship with this off. > > I've always wondered about this. Join the club 8) > If the area is reserved anyway, then why ever ship with it off? Speed. Reliability - on a bad day, you may accidentally use half of the reallocation area remapping sectors that aren't really bad. Some drives (Quantum, fe.) don't support the SCSI Format command, and some do but insist on keeping their remapping information, so you may not be able to recover the unnecessarily replaced sectors. > If the area isn't reserved, then exactly what lossage should I expect > to see when enabling it? The area(s) are reserved. Some drives put them at the end of the disk, others band them across the disk to reduce the performance hit. > If the replacement sectors are otherwise exposed as usable data sectors, > turning it on would be Bad(tm) if you have already stored data on the > drive. I don't _think_ anyone would be that stupid. > If the replacement sectors are not otherwise exposed as usable data > sectors, having it off at all is silly. See above. Your point is arguably valid. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 21:33:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA15674 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:33:17 -0800 Received: from harley.ios.com (root@[198.4.75.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15664 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:33:05 -0800 Received: (from alexis@localhost) by harley.ios.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA03458; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:25:39 -0500 From: Alexis Yashkov Message-Id: <199511230525.AAA03458@harley.ios.com> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:25:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: maral@webnet.com.au, freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511222033.VAA21746@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Nov 22, 95 09:33:57 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1744 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, > > On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > > > As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > > > > > > When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out > > > > and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's > > > > pause a connection refused. > > > > > > I've been annoyed by this one, too. Often. Even for nearby > > > connections (e.g. uriah.heep.sax.de <-> sax.sax.de, one hop; or even > > > on a local ethernet). > > > > > > > Im using rsh over local ether on Win95 to run xterm's. > > > > In .rhosts I have the hostname and the FQDN and it seems ok. > > > > ie. > > gate > > gate.co.uk Why should I put short names in .rhosts? I don't think this problem has something to do with name resolution. > rsh is not the problem. I can do repeated rsh within short intervals. > It's just after an explicit rlogin. Also I'm not sure if it's a client > or server problem. Both systems are FreeBSD 2.2 resp. 2.0.5. I have this problem with both rsh and rlogin. Both client and server systems are FreeBSD 2.x (I don't specify exact numbers here because we have different releases and snaps here from 2.0.5-RELEASE till 2.1.0-951020-SNAP and they all have the problem). I almost always have to wait about 40-60 seconds to connect to the host again after I've closed connection. First time I noticed this problem running remote dump via rsh and was forced to work around (to put 60 sec. delay between connections in the script). And one more thing, I have no problems connecting from FreeBSD to Suns running SunOS 4.1.4 and Solaris 2.4. -- ______ \____/ Internet Online Services Phone: 201 928 1000 ext 501 \__/ Alexis Yashkov Pager: 201 441 6698 \/ alexis@ios.com 800 225 0256 PIN 310495 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Nov 22 21:55:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA17646 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:55:32 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA17641 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:55:27 -0800 Received: from ccslinux.dlsu.edu.ph (gavin@linux1.dlsu.edu.ph [165.220.8.15]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA24179 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:46:41 -0800 Received: (from gavin@localhost) by ccslinux.dlsu.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01347; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:36:13 +0800 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:36:09 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Gavin Chan Lim To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ptrace() In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello guys! I've found the source codes for GDB. I have certain questions regarding ptrace(). I hope you can answer them. 1. What does "Attach/Detach to the process" mean? (PT_ATTACH, PT_DETACH)> 2. Does request PT_READ_I mean read the text segment? 3. Does request PT_READ_D mean read the data segment? 4. What's the last argument (int data) of ptrace() for? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 00:32:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA24105 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:32:59 -0800 Received: from pluto.iis.nsk.su (pluto.iis.nsk.su [194.58.180.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA24056 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:31:21 -0800 Received: from pluto.iis.nsk.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pluto.iis.nsk.su (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02337 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:23:15 +0600 Message-ID: <30B42F72.446B9B3D@pluto.iis.nsk.su> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:23:14 +0600 From: "Igor L. Ziryanov" Organization: Institute of Informatics Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe X-URL: http://pluto.iis.nsk.su/FAQ.FreeBSD/freebsd-faq16.html#16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk subscribe From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 01:08:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA26284 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:08:11 -0800 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA26126 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:07:59 -0800 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.235) with smtp id ; Thu, 23 Nov 95 10:06 MET Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07870; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:05:51 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199511230905.KAA07870@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: want your comments To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:05:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511230059.QAA02026@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Nov 22, 95 04:59:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1347 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >hello > > > >i just want to ask around for pros's and con's of the following things > >i plan to commit: > > > >* /usr/bin/newsyslog - this automates the "rotation" of the log files > > and can replace our "rotation by hand" in the > > /etc/[daily,weekly,monthly] scripts - it is invoked via cron each our > > (the entry is there - but we don't have a newsyslog) and can be > > configured via a /etc/newsyslog.conf file (where you may adjust how > > often and/or after which size the files should be rotated, how many > > old versions should be keeped and if they should be compressed using gzip) > > this would include the adaption of the /etc/[daily, ...] scripts > > (taken from NetBSD) > > Since this will only be run by the superuser, it should go in /usr/sbin. > ok - i agree - it should go to /usr/sbin t _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 01:10:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA26403 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:10:24 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA26396 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:10:17 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA21717; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:09:46 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA12781; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:09:46 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA25813; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:44:58 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511230844.JAA25813@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anyone keen to help me get a Phillips CDD 521 Recorder working? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:44:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: ambrisko@tcs.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <2300.817081123@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 22, 95 02:58:43 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 805 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > We have the YMI gear ourselves, and have multiple burner boxes > scattered across different platforms, but that's no reason not to try > to push the envelope a little.. :-) We've been wanting to see if this > was even *possible* for awhile now. Now at least one of us has > something that we can try a few proof-of-concept pokes at. I would use rtprio, btw. Given the fact that even the fastest CD readers do not feed much more than 500 KB/s, and under the assumption that a burner is way slower, the probability of success ain't that bad. Of course, one should not run a "make world" in background... :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 01:21:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA27227 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:21:46 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27221 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:21:26 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA22083; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:21:15 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA12843; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:21:15 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26203; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:17:36 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511230917.KAA26203@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: alexis@harley.ios.com (Alexis Yashkov) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:17:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511230525.AAA03458@harley.ios.com> from "Alexis Yashkov" at Nov 23, 95 00:25:39 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 377 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Alexis Yashkov wrote: > > I almost always > have to wait about 40-60 seconds to connect to the host again after > I've closed connection. If you've got this problem _always_, it's likely a DNS lookup problem. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 01:24:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA27292 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:24:12 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27287 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:24:10 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA25063 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:22:46 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA22079; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:21:14 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA12842; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:21:13 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26190; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:15:50 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511230915.KAA26190@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ptrace() To: gavin@linux1.dlsu.edu.ph (Gavin Chan Lim) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:15:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Gavin Chan Lim" at Nov 23, 95 01:36:09 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 690 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Gavin Chan Lim wrote: > > 1. What does "Attach/Detach to the process" mean? (PT_ATTACH, PT_DETACH)> Start/stop tracing a running process (by PID). Dunno if this is already working in FreeBSD. The "normal" case is to start the traced process under debugger control. > 2. Does request PT_READ_I mean read the text segment? > 3. Does request PT_READ_D mean read the data segment? Yup. > 4. What's the last argument (int data) of ptrace() for? Dunno, i think it's the data to read/write from/into the process image. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 01:39:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA27777 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:39:49 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27769 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:39:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA15851; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:29:28 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511230929.KAA15851@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: want your comments To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:29:27 +0100 (MET) Cc: graichen@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511230059.QAA02026@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Nov 22, 95 04:58:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1090 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >i just want to ask around for pros's and con's of the following things > >i plan to commit: > > > >* /usr/bin/newsyslog - this automates the "rotation" of the log files > > and can replace our "rotation by hand" in the One comment on old log files. Usually people has /var/log in the root partition. There are good reasons for this (so that boot messages and the like can be written as soon as root is mounted), but the root partition tends to fill up, and old log files take a lot of space, especially on busy systems. However, they do not need to reside in the root partition. Thus, the configuration file should also provide a way to specify the place where the old logs should go. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 03:56:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA04636 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 03:56:12 -0800 Received: from mail1.digital.com (mail1.digital.com [204.123.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA04584 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 03:56:01 -0800 From: garyj@frt.dec.com Received: from cssmuc.pcs.dec.com by mail1.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA06995; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 03:48:25 -0800 Received: from localhost by cssmuc.frt.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Nov95-0232PM) id AA20394; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:43:39 +0100 Message-Id: <9511231143.AA20394@cssmuc.frt.dec.com> To: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from J Wunsch of Thu, 23 Nov 95 10:15:50 +0100. Reply-To: gjennejohn@frt.dec.com Subject: Re: ptrace() Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 12:43:39 +0100 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk j@uriah.heep.sax.de writes: > As Gavin Chan Lim wrote: > > > > 1. What does "Attach/Detach to the process" mean? (PT_ATTACH, PT_DETACH)> > > Start/stop tracing a running process (by PID). Dunno if this is > already working in FreeBSD. The "normal" case is to start the traced > process under debugger control. > yeah, it works. But it uses /proc, not ptrace. --- Gary Jennejohn (work) gjennejohn@frt.dec.com (home) Gary.Jennejohn@munich.netsurf.de (play) gj@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 05:04:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA06788 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 05:04:28 -0800 Received: from iis (iis.webnet.com.au [203.8.105.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA06782 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 05:04:21 -0800 Received: from jazzy.phase-one.com.au (gw.phase-one.com.au [203.21.35.254]) by iis (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA05487; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:08:14 +1100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:04:57 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Marelas X-Sender: maral@jazzy.phase-one.com.au To: Alexis Yashkov cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time In-Reply-To: <199511230525.AAA03458@harley.ios.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Nov 1995, Alexis Yashkov wrote: > Hi, > > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > > > > > > As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out > > > > > and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's > > > > > pause a connection refused. > > > > > > > > I've been annoyed by this one, too. Often. Even for nearby > > > > connections (e.g. uriah.heep.sax.de <-> sax.sax.de, one hop; or even > > > > on a local ethernet). > > > > > > > > > > Im using rsh over local ether on Win95 to run xterm's. > > > > > > In .rhosts I have the hostname and the FQDN and it seems ok. > > > > > > ie. > > > gate > > > gate.co.uk > > Why should I put short names in .rhosts? I don't think this > problem has something to do with name resolution. > I believe it is a name rez problem. > > rsh is not the problem. I can do repeated rsh within short intervals. > > It's just after an explicit rlogin. Also I'm not sure if it's a client > > or server problem. Both systems are FreeBSD 2.2 resp. 2.0.5. > > I have this problem with both rsh and rlogin. Both client and server > systems are FreeBSD 2.x (I don't specify exact numbers here because > we have different releases and snaps here from 2.0.5-RELEASE till > 2.1.0-951020-SNAP and they all have the problem). I almost always > have to wait about 40-60 seconds to connect to the host again after > I've closed connection. First time I noticed this problem running > remote dump via rsh and was forced to work around (to put 60 sec. > delay between connections in the script). And one more thing, I have > no problems connecting from FreeBSD to Suns running SunOS 4.1.4 and > Solaris 2.4. If your not already doing so, run your own DNS, and see what effect it makes. Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 07:47:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA13542 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:47:51 -0800 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13534 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:47:46 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id QAA23704; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:31:35 +0100 Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA01570; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:08:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:08:40 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-Reply-To: <199511210753.IAA16658@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > > ad-hoc, i'd say ftp.germany.eu.net would be a reasonable default > server for Germany. It's not on the official mirror list, but i know > that they are mirroring the distributions. Short of this, "kuku"'s > gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de would also be possible (but i'm afraid of > overloading it -- Christoph?). Aachen has a sunsite sponsored by sun as usual. This machine should be large enough to manage the additional traffic ... Or am I mistaken ? Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 08:48:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA16064 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:48:19 -0800 Received: from gw.muc.ditec.de (gw.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16057 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:48:08 -0800 Received: from tartufo.muc.ditec.de (tartufo.muc.ditec.de [134.98.18.2]) by gw.muc.ditec.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA18612; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:47:30 +0100 Received: by tartufo.muc.ditec.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Thu, 23 Nov 95 17:48 MET Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 17:48 MET From: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de (Michael Elbel) To: terry@lambert.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <2559.816958199@time.cdrom.com> <199511211853.LAA04354@phaeton.artisoft.com> Reply-To: me@gw.muc.ditec.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >By two staging all list implementations: Say, does this look like news or not? Maybe we should actually consider using news as the "backbone transport" between the various exploders? Locally they then can be sent out to the end users via mail or be kept as newsgroups at larger sites (ok, I'm using newsgroups here locally, so I'm biased, but then, its so much easier to look through the lists if they are a) in separate newsgroups b) subjects are threaded). This would of course be done by explicit nntp links between e.g. freefall and the local exploders, keeping delays down to what we're used from mail. Michael -- Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 09:33:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA18218 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:33:58 -0800 Received: from snake.hut.fi (snake.hut.fi [193.167.6.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18213 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:33:55 -0800 Received: from lk-hp-20.hut.fi (lk-hp-20.hut.fi [130.233.247.33]) by snake.hut.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA22968 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:33:50 +0200 (EET) From: Juha Inkari Received: (inkari@localhost) by lk-hp-20.hut.fi (8.6.12/8.6.7) id TAA26654 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:33:50 +0200 Message-Id: <199511231733.TAA26654@lk-hp-20.hut.fi> Subject: xemacs segfault To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:33:50 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I tried xemacs 19.13 under FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT (around Tue Nov 14). However, it segfaults on address 0, after it has established an X window, with menubars. Without X it seems to be working. Anyone knows what is causing this, or has a fix for it ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 09:35:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA18330 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:35:10 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA18315 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:35:07 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Thu, 23 Nov 95 17:35 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA04117 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:32:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199511231732.SAA04117@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Where is the documentation for ibcs2? To: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:40:41 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 206 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've just been thinking a bit about ibcs2, and went to look for the documentation. I couldn't find anything likely in the FAQ, nor in the handbook, nor in the source tree. Any suggestions, please? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 10:16:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA19532 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:16:30 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19527 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:16:28 -0800 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA08437; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:14:46 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511231814.MAA08437@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! To: me@gw.muc.ditec.de Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:14:45 -0600 (CST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Elbel" at Nov 23, 95 05:48:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >By two staging all list implementations: > > Say, does this look like news or not? Maybe we should actually consider > using news as the "backbone transport" between the various exploders? > Locally they then can be sent out to the end users via mail or be kept > as newsgroups at larger sites (ok, I'm using newsgroups here locally, > so I'm biased, but then, its so much easier to look through the lists > if they are a) in separate newsgroups b) subjects are threaded). > > This would of course be done by explicit nntp links between e.g. freefall > and the local exploders, keeping delays down to what we're used from > mail. I suggested this many months ago and got thoroughly shot down, people did not understand the difference between using NNTP as a long haul distribution protocol (perfectly designed, flood fill algorithm, etc) and using NNTP as a method to reach the end user. I would suggest using NNTP strictly as a transport protocol. Bury the articles in an encoded format in a moderated newsgroup, so that people don't try to use the transport newsgroup to read or post messages. At each hub, you can install channel feeds for the transport newsgroup that pipe the articles into an extraction/verification filter. The filter then turns around and submits the decoded and verified message into Sendmail (and/or INN under a different group name). As manager at a number of major news servers, I can provide some of the connectivity. It is really an excellent distribution method, particularly if you run two or three links to each node... I'd be willing to work on this IFF there is any interest in it. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 10:34:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA21776 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:34:32 -0800 Received: from harley.ios.com (root@[198.4.75.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA21768 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:34:27 -0800 Received: (from alexis@localhost) by harley.ios.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA07075; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:28:36 -0500 From: Alexis Yashkov Message-Id: <199511231828.NAA07075@harley.ios.com> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:28:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511230917.KAA26203@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 23, 95 10:17:36 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 623 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > As Alexis Yashkov wrote: > > > > I almost always > > have to wait about 40-60 seconds to connect to the host again after > > I've closed connection. > > If you've got this problem _always_, it's likely a DNS lookup problem. I've got it not always but very often. And it occures only if I try to connect right after I closed connection, otherwise it works perfectly. This IS NOT DNS problem. I'm responsible for DNS here, I guarantee :) -- ______ \____/ Internet Online Services Phone: 201 928 1000 ext 501 \__/ Alexis Yashkov Pager: 201 441 6698 \/ alexis@ios.com 800 225 0256 PIN 310495 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 10:59:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA22628 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:59:29 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22621 ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:59:21 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id NAA28348; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:47:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:47:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: NNTP as transport for mail (fwd) To: Joe Greco cc: me@gw.muc.ditec.de, terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511231814.MAA08437@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk anyone interested in this thread. please subscribe to freebsd-hubs. On Thu, 23 Nov 1995, Joe Greco wrote: > > >By two staging all list implementations: > > > > Say, does this look like news or not? Maybe we should actually consider > > using news as the "backbone transport" between the various exploders? > > Locally they then can be sent out to the end users via mail or be kept > > as newsgroups at larger sites (ok, I'm using newsgroups here locally, > > so I'm biased, but then, its so much easier to look through the lists > > if they are a) in separate newsgroups b) subjects are threaded). > > > > This would of course be done by explicit nntp links between e.g. freefall > > and the local exploders, keeping delays down to what we're used from > > mail. > > I suggested this many months ago and got thoroughly shot down, people did > not understand the difference between using NNTP as a long haul distribution > protocol (perfectly designed, flood fill algorithm, etc) and using NNTP as a > method to reach the end user. > > I would suggest using NNTP strictly as a transport protocol. Bury the > articles in an encoded format in a moderated newsgroup, so that people don't > try to use the transport newsgroup to read or post messages. At each hub, > you can install channel feeds for the transport newsgroup that pipe the > articles into an extraction/verification filter. The filter then turns > around and submits the decoded and verified message into Sendmail (and/or > INN under a different group name). > > As manager at a number of major news servers, I can provide some of the > connectivity. > > It is really an excellent distribution method, particularly if you run two > or three links to each node... I'd be willing to work on this IFF there is > any interest in it. > > ... Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net > Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 12:34:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA27383 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:34:33 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA27374 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:34:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA25115; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:28:40 -0800 To: Joe Greco cc: me@gw.muc.ditec.de, terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1.0-RELEASE now available! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:14:45 CST." <199511231814.MAA08437@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:28:39 -0800 Message-ID: <25113.817158519@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I would suggest using NNTP strictly as a transport protocol. Bury the > articles in an encoded format in a moderated newsgroup, so that people don't > try to use the transport newsgroup to read or post messages. At each hub, > you can install channel feeds for the transport newsgroup that pipe the > articles into an extraction/verification filter. The filter then turns > around and submits the decoded and verified message into Sendmail (and/or > INN under a different group name). I would say that if our postmaster agrees with this, and wants to do it this way, then it's purely his business and you guys should just set it up. Not to sound perfunctory about it, I'm simply trying to make the point that if it makes his life easier and delivers better service (which is a big goal of his little department) then he should use whatever tools are available and nobody has any *place* shooting it down. Likewise, since he's doing the work, if he decides he can't or doesn't want to deal with the complexity then we really can't force him to say yes. His area of responsibility, hence his decision. To me, it actually sounds pretty cool! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 13:15:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA29116 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:15:27 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA29110 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:15:22 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA11760 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:15:12 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511232115.NAA11760@ref.tfs.com> Subject: VOP_RECLAIM and vnode references.. To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1852 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In vclean() (the only usage of VOP_RECLAIM I have found) the following happens: If a vnode has no references, it's left that way.. if it DOES have a reference (v_usecount > 0) then it's artificially incremented by one, to stop it going to 0 while the VOP_RECLAIM is active.. this is a bit stupid in my opinion... firstly, in devfs, my sanity code that checks that a vnode is referenced before it uses it, throws a fit when asked by devfs_reclaim to find the devfs_node associated with the vnode.. (this is why those of you that have made devfs report seeing "!no reference!" on the console.. secoondly, it's unknown how long a VOP_RECLAIM might take and something else may come in and raise and lower the reference count while it's happenning.. (not devfs, but their might be slower fs's) surely the v_usecount should be raised by one regardless of whether it is already non-zero.? the VOP_LOCK might make this un-needed, but I am loath to take the sanity check code out of my devfs code.. I figure that if I'm doing a vntodn() (vnode-to-devfsnode) then I should be doing it on a referenced vnode.. I don't like the fact that there is ONE exception.. "Except whenn asked to do it in a reclaim operation.." I guess I could do a vref in devfs_reclaim before calling vntodn() but why make a specific fix if a general one is just as easy? does anyone know why it's like it is? I BELIEVE (but don't know) that this is the only time when a vnode is passed toa filesystem without a reference.. julian +----------------------------------+ ______ _ __ | __--_|\ Julian Elischer | \ U \/ / On assignment | / \ julian@ref.tfs.com +------>x USA \ in a very strange | ( OZ ) 300 lakeside Dr. oakland CA. \___ ___ | country ! +- X_.---._/ USA+(510) 645-3137(wk) \_/ \\ v From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 13:25:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA29513 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:25:27 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA29508 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:25:22 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11917 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:25:11 -0800 Message-ID: <30B4E6B7.794BDF32@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:25:11 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Organization: Walnut Creek CDROM X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Fwd: 2.1.0 install won't find COM2 for ppp/ftp install] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---------------------------39771629013195544451138503204" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -----------------------------39771629013195544451138503204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks like the infamous "FreeBSD doesn't find my internal modem" problem. Argh! Can we find and fix this one? Maybe our serial probe is just a bit *too* discerning! :( -- Jordan -----------------------------39771629013195544451138503204 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: reason.cdrom.com!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!simtel!col.hp.com!news.cis.okstate.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news From: acolyte@uoknor.edu (The Acolyte) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: 2.1.0 install won't find COM2 for ppp/ftp install Date: 23 Nov 1995 13:28:26 GMT Organization: Lost in Oklahoma! Lines: 27 Message-ID: <491stq$967@norm.uoknor.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp26.modems.uoknor.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Well, that says it all. Trying to set up FreeBSD 2.1.0 for the first time on my machine. Unfortunately I need to use a PPP connection (I have ALL Thanksgiving break to do this :^). On bootup from the boot.flp floppy I see a message finding COM1 @ x3f8, but says it can't find COM2 @ x2f8. So naturally I only have the option to use ucaa0 for a serial connection. I tried changing to ucaa1 in the mini PPP program that comes with the install, but to no avail. I've got a Mouse on COM1 and a Gateway Telepath 14.4 modem on COM2. The controller card is the PCI/EIDE one that's built into my Acer AP5C pentium motherboard running a P5-90. Any ideas? In the past I've been able to connect to my PPP account with trumpet and have the connection survive a reboot, so can I start up the install already connected and have it identify it? Followup or email (acolyte@uoknor.edu) will be fine. Thanks, Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "When all else fails, DAZZLE them with bullsh*t!" -my roommate -----------------------------39771629013195544451138503204-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 16:27:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA06380 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:27:11 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA06374 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:25:49 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA15279; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:24:58 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA09272 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:25:02 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA31780 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:31:40 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA00810; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:49:15 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199511231849.TAA00810@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Future Domain TMC-845 To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:49:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511221947.UAA21569@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Nov 22, 95 08:47:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 682 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Anyone having FreeBSD working with this rare device? > FreeBSDs autoconfigure does not detect this board. > It is an 8bit type kind a successor of the ST02 controller, > I believe. > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de I have a TMC-841 here on my shelve. Does not work either. A look in the driver source made me decide to stay away from it ;-) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 16:25:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA06364 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:25:33 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA06359 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:25:27 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA15270; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:24:36 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA09224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:24:41 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA31758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:31:34 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA00860; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:57:14 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199511231857.TAA00860@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:57:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511222112.AA00207@Sysiphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Nov 22, 95 10:12:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1496 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > } When testing a NCR810 card I got cheaply (~ $20) using 205R I noticed > } some strangeness when I tried disklabel on a virgin disk. Quite a > } lot of messages from the ncr driver about some assert/assumption > } failing and then a sort of scsi bus lockup. > > What drive brand/model was that ? Saw it both a Quantum (DEC RZ28) and a Seagate 4Gb Barracuda (DEC RZ29B). I work for DEC, so that's why I do know the RZxx but not the actual model# > } it's probably not hardware. BTW Machine is a Digital Celebris P90, > } 8Mb. > > No, it's the result of a SCSI message reject, > which is not correctly dealt with by the driver. I see. > } General question: I plan to put this 810 in my to-be-bought Pentium. > } Is 205R generally stable with a 810 or do I need 2.1R ? > > 2.1R should have this fixed. You'll only need > to boot the boot floppy, since the assertion > failure is at probe time ... ? Que? What do you mean exactly? > I could send you 2.1R on tape, if this will > help your decision to do the upgrade now :) My _home_ system will wait with the upgrade till the Pentium board is installed. I could try 2.1R with a number of different drives on the machine at work. Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 21:36:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA21663 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:36:20 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21651 ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:36:16 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA29987; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:10:49 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511240110.BAA29987@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: [Fwd: 2.1.0 install won't find COM2 for ppp/ftp install] To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:10:49 +0000 () Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, acolyte@uoknor.edu In-Reply-To: <30B4E6B7.794BDF32@FreeBSD.org> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 23, 95 01:25:11 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2107 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > This looks like the infamous "FreeBSD doesn't find my internal modem" > problem. Argh! Can we find and fix this one? Maybe our serial probe > is just a bit *too* discerning! :( The "doesn't find my internal modem" one is normally for modems that emulate the 16550 using a micro, and the problem is, I think, that sioprobe() is much faster than the emulation. I've had several people that I've asked to add delays at the /* XXX EXTRA DELAY? */ comments, but _none_ of the bastards have ever gotten back to me with results one way or the other. All of them, however, have failed the probe due to missing output interrupts. This one looks different - I would guess that they have something else on IRQ3, or their PCI setup is screwed. > From: acolyte@uoknor.edu (The Acolyte) > Well, that says it all. Trying to set up FreeBSD 2.1.0 for the > first time on my machine. Unfortunately I need to use a PPP > connection (I have ALL Thanksgiving break to do this :^). On bootup > from the boot.flp floppy I see a message finding COM1 @ x3f8, but > says it can't find COM2 @ x2f8. So naturally I only have the option > to use ucaa0 for a serial connection. I tried changing to ucaa1 in > the mini PPP program that comes with the install, but to no avail. > I've got a Mouse on COM1 and a Gateway Telepath 14.4 modem on COM2. What other hardware do you have in the machine? In particular, is there anything on IRQ3? Ethernet adapter, sound card, etc? > The controller card is the PCI/EIDE one that's built into my Acer > AP5C pentium motherboard running a P5-90. Check your PCI setup to make sure that IRQ 3 isn't being assigned to something else as well... > Eric -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 23 22:53:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA29500 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:53:31 -0800 Received: from gandalf.me.ksu.edu (joed@gandalf.me.ksu.edu [129.130.41.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA29485 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:53:27 -0800 Received: (from joed@localhost) by gandalf.me.ksu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA28015 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:53:04 -0600 From: Joe Diehl Message-Id: <199511240653.AAA28015@gandalf.me.ksu.edu> Subject: Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:53:04 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 315 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just received a promotional thing in the mail from Intel on their Etherexpress PRO/100 PCIs and am thinking about buying. Has anyone been able to get one of these guys working under FreeBSD? Does FreeBSD support it? Thanks --- Joe Diehl Engineering Computing Center Kansas State University From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 00:37:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA05336 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:37:01 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA05330 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:36:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00401 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199511240036.QAA00401@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.1 release sysinstall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:20 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to pick a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the target system? It would be very, very, nice to allow an option to mount a second drive to do an install from ... Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 00:43:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA05617 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:43:45 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA05611 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:43:38 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA02058; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 03:19:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 03:19:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Quick question about 'make world' in /usr/src Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi... I've taken a look at the Makefile in /usr/src, and am slightly nervous of doing a 'make world'... ...what exactly does make world do? will it overwrite or change anything on the live system, or *only* compile everything under /usr/src? And, as far as that is concerned, if I want to install it all, just 'make installmost'? Mainly, I don't relish the thought of destroying my system, and there doesnt' seem to be much more docs on it then lookign at the Makefile...and I dont' want to trust that I'm reading it right :( thanks... Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 00:46:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA05803 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:46:16 -0800 Received: from iis (iis.webnet.com.au [203.8.105.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA05793 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:46:11 -0800 Received: from jazzy.phase-one.com.au (gw.phase-one.com.au [203.21.35.254]) by iis (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA18224 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:50:26 +1100 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:47:08 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Marelas X-Sender: maral@jazzy.phase-one.com.au To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Probing KBD. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is there a way of stopping the kernel from probing the keyboard, as I have found, if I dont have a keyboard plugged in, it will probe forever, and since the bios is set to keyboard "not present" shouldnt freebsd recognise this ? Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 01:08:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA06636 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:08:37 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA06629 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:08:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01155; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:07:29 -0800 To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:20 PST." <199511240036.QAA00401@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:07:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1152.817204048@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites > from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to pick > a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the > target system? Uh. I can't parse this? > It would be very, very, nice to allow an option to mount a second > drive to do an install from ... To install on a second drive? Easy - just stick your root and /usr over there in the label editor and extract as usual onto it. To install *from* a second drive? Easy - see the UFS "media" type. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 01:21:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA07015 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:21:52 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA07007 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:21:35 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id EAA03420; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:21:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:20:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-Reply-To: <1152.817204048@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites > > from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to pick > > a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the > > target system? > > Uh. I can't parse this? > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, site nearest to him... Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 01:31:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA07370 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:31:11 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA07248 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:25:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA17068; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:24:41 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511240924.KAA17068@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:24:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511240036.QAA00401@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 23, 95 04:36:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 757 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It would be very, very, nice to allow an option to mount a second > drive to do an install from ... Last time I checked (october snaps) this was possible, though a bit tricky and certainly not for the casual user. You should go through the slice & partition menus and make all the filesystems you need visible (and be careful to avoid newfs-ing them!) Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 01:36:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA07535 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:36:17 -0800 Received: from wiley.muc.ditec.de (wiley.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA07519 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:36:03 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (slip139-92-42-182.emea.ibm.net [139.92.42.182]) by wiley.muc.ditec.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA00699; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:33:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA14345; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:04:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199511231804.TAA14345@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Fude Yao , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-mailer: EXMH version 1.6.4 10/10/95 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:32:44 PST." <337.816996764@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:04:54 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Adding comprehensive > Chinese character support would be a fairly extensive undertaking, > hence my concern. cxterm has run fine on freebsd for years (on my box) its a trivial port, somebody asked for this before, & sent my half baked chinese tree , but nothing happened (shrug) Julian Julian H. Stacey EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 02:11:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA08813 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:11:28 -0800 Received: from listserv.gmd.de (listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA08806 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:11:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199511241011.CAA08806@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from listserv.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id F58ECBB7 ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:43 +0100 Received: from VM.GMD.DE (MAILER) by DEARNAXP (MX V4.1 AXP) with BSMTP; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:42 +0100 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin MAILER@ESOC) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with BSMTP id 7332; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:59 +0100 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin VCAPUANO@ESOC) by VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1624; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:05:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 11:01:19 EWT From: Vincenzo Capuano Organization: ESA - European Space Agency Subject: Wine To: freebsd-hackers@FREEBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FREEBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I have just installed wine in my FreeBSD box. And I have noted that now it doesn't require you to have also Windows installed. Here is my proposal: Why don't we add wine to our kernel the same way we support Linux or ibcs2, by providing the COMPAT_WINDOWS option to the kernel ? Is it hard to be done ? Is it worth it ? Vincenzo --- Vincenzo Capuano European Space Agency - European Space Operations Centre vcapuano@vmprofs.esoc.esa.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 02:22:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA09088 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:22:25 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA09081 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:22:20 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00353; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:21:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199511240221.SAA00353@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:20:59 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:21:19 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> "Marc G. Fournier" said: > On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites > > > from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to pi ck > > > a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the > > > target system? > > > > Uh. I can't parse this? > > > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each > one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, > site nearest to him... Yeap, you see when I tried to do the netinstall from ftp.freebsd.org it was a hazzle due to the load on ftp.freebsd.org so just because a site may be close to you is not necessarily the best site to do a netinstall. As for doing an install from a second drive, I couldn't figured out what to type in the sysinstall's UFS entry field . I tried different ways of specifying my second drive and they *all* failed. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 02:25:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA09198 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:25:31 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA09192 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:25:25 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Fri, 24 Nov 95 10:25 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA24697 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:05:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199511241005.LAA24697@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: ptrace() To: gavin@linux1.dlsu.edu.ph (Gavin Chan Lim) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:04:51 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Gavin Chan Lim" at Nov 23, 95 01:36:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1040 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Gavin Chan Lim writes: > I've found the source codes for GDB. I have certain questions regarding > ptrace(). I hope you can answer them. > > 1. What does "Attach/Detach to the process" mean? (PT_ATTACH, PT_DETACH)> > 2. Does request PT_READ_I mean read the text segment? Yes, On the PDP-11. On the i386, it means read the process address space. > 3. Does request PT_READ_D mean read the data segment? Yes, On the PDP-11. On the i386, it means read the process address space. You'll notice that Linux has done away with the difference between these two, which are redundant, but this is UNIX :-) > 4. What's the last argument (int data) of ptrace() for? It's used to pass data where necessary: PT_CONTINUE - specify a signal number to be sent to the child process before it continues. 0 means don't send a signal. PT_WRITE_U - data to be written to the user area PT_WRITE_I - data to be written to the process data space PT_WRITE_D - data to be written to the process data space Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 02:32:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA09415 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:32:56 -0800 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA09406 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:32:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA07928; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:30:24 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199511241030.PAA07928@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Ethernet cards for FreeBsd To: andyh@compnews.co.uk (Andrew Hird) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:30:24 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Hird" at Nov 22, 95 05:48:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1187 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Hi there, I'm setting up a PC with FreeBSD on it to act as a router > between two networks of machines. All seems fine except we've got 3COM > Etherlink III (3C509B models) and in the LINT kernal it mentions that the > ep0 code for it is "buggy". What exactly does this mean? And how badly > would this affect the machine when its acting as a router (I suspect > quite badly!!). Really it is enough stable now (at least not worse than in BSDI 1.1) and enough quick: I get the full Ethernet throughput on FTP (1.1M/s with it) with my 496DX2/66 machine. > > Does this still apply in 2.1R (same comment in LINT). 2.1 (and -current) still do not contain the multicast support, Plug-n-Play support and the common probing scheme for all 3COM cards support although the patches for them exist. > > Finally, what ethernet cards would people recommend for use with a > machine which is to act as a router - I guess a fast reliable card is > what I'm looking for. The problem with 3c509 is that they have enough small input buffers that gets overflown sometimes under the heavy load (when you have multiple network cards or you're doing tcpdump from a heavy loaded cards). -SB From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 04:03:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA12746 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:03:29 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA12730 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:03:16 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA08546; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 23:00:47 +1100 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 23:00:47 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511241200.XAA08546@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, maral@webnet.com.au Subject: Re: Probing KBD. Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Is there a way of stopping the kernel from probing the keyboard, as I >have found, if I dont have a keyboard plugged in, it will probe forever, >and since the bios is set to keyboard "not present" shouldnt freebsd >recognise this ? Not really. You could leave disable the sc device but then all console output would go to the serial console (ttyd0) and be lost if no serial console is attached. The probe is supposed to time out after 5 seconds, but it has well-known bugs that somehow haven't been fixed in either 2.1 or -current. After timing out after 5 seconds, it executes an endless loop. The keyboard is only initialized at probe time, so it may not work if it is plugged in later. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 04:30:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA14059 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:30:47 -0800 Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA13991 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:29:27 -0800 Received: by Sysiphos id AA05080 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:24:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199511241224.AA05080@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:24:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: Wilko Bulte "Re: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R" (Nov 23, 19:57) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 23, 19:57, Wilko Bulte wrote: } Subject: Re: using NCR810 with 2.0.5.R } > } When testing a NCR810 card I got cheaply (~ $20) using 205R I noticed } > } some strangeness when I tried disklabel on a virgin disk. Quite a } > } lot of messages from the ncr driver about some assert/assumption } > } failing and then a sort of scsi bus lockup. } > } > What drive brand/model was that ? } } Saw it both a Quantum (DEC RZ28) and a Seagate 4Gb Barracuda (DEC RZ29B). } I work for DEC, so that's why I do know the RZxx but not the actual } model# Hmm, the Barracuda ought to work fine, maybe the RZ29B got different firmware ??? } > } General question: I plan to put this 810 in my to-be-bought Pentium. } > } Is 205R generally stable with a 810 or do I need 2.1R ? } > } > 2.1R should have this fixed. You'll only need } > to boot the boot floppy, since the assertion } > failure is at probe time ... } } ? Que? What do you mean exactly? Well, it might be a good idea to once boot from the 2.1R boot floppy, and to see whether the drives are recognized and operational. If they aren't then I'll make you one of the beta testers for the upcoming new code that deals with multi-byte SCSI messages ... :) The changes will make the host control sending of long messages (which are used for synch./wide negotiation) and this will allow writing verbose transaction logs, if the drive doesn't behave as expected ... } My _home_ system will wait with the upgrade till the Pentium board } is installed. I could try 2.1R with a number of different drives } on the machine at work. If there is a drive that didn't work under 2.0.5R and still doesn't under 2.1R, then I'd really want to know about it. Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 05:53:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA19453 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 05:53:56 -0800 Received: from pod.spirit.com.au (root@pod.spirit.com.au [203.8.218.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA19448 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 05:53:51 -0800 Received: by pod.spirit.com.au (8.6.12/1.01SP) id AAA15646; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:49:59 +1100 From: rich@spirit.com.au (Rich Siggs) Message-Id: <199511241349.AAA15646@pod.spirit.com.au> Subject: Re: 16 ports Boca - anyone using it? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:49:57 +1100 (EST) Cc: radova@risc6.unisa.ac.za, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511221642.KAA07545@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Nov 22, 95 10:42:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2661 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 'morning Joe'n'Co, > > On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, A. Radovanovic wrote: > > > I got a Boca BB2016 16 ports serial card. I am thinking to put it into the > > > 2.0 system, but I am not shure is it going to work? > > Yes, I have one BB2016 installed and working on a 33MHz 386 running > > FreeBSD 2.0.5. It's currently serving 8 lines with a mix of 14.4Kbps and > > 28.8Kbps modems. I have another 2016 waiting to be installed in our > > other modem server... I use a single BB2016 in each of my Servers (plus the odd AST/4 ;) often at high port utilisation & speed (mostly, full 16ports @ 57.6k & full modem cntl :) They sure do work fine & are _fantastic_ value, if you can source the damn 10way RJ-45 connectors! (That sure was a pain here in Oz.. But if anyone needs some BB2016 Cables - then I can now help ;) But.. > I've been using one and have had mild problems - but I am currently > suspecting the motherboard rather than the BocaBoard (every few weeks > FreeBSD stops "seeing" interrupts from the board, fascinating, there's > now a probe on the interrupt line so we can determine the hardware reality, > but I suspect it will look just fine... *nod* Yup -- I agree (about some 'mild problems'). My first card had bad probe problems, with the odd 1 or more ports simply not probing-on-boot.. Actually, this has stabilised greatly since I re-org'd the "guts" of that Server ;) My current gripe is on 'lockups' (whole machine) when quickly going through multiple stty's in /etc/rc.serial (err - I'm on fBSD 1.1.5.1 + Patches btw ;) When I investigated this, I found that pauses between stty invocations were a good quick fix. ;) Needless to say, this particular card is going back to the Distributor shortly. > and I'm using similar multiport > hardware elsewhere, so I doubt it's FreeBSD... and that motherboard is a > bit strange). Same here, with 2 x AST/4 cards also in the same Server (at the time) there are no other/previous stty problems.. > Anyways, even in my case, it works GREAT 98% of the time :-) Other than > the $^*@^@#^%$@ 10-pin RJ45-ish connectors which are a real pain (I like to > make my own cables). Highly recommended piece of inexpensive hardware. > ... Joe > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Absolutely - gripes aside & dealt with, these cards as just great! g'nite, Rich. -- Richard Siggs admin@spirit.com.au Spirit Networks Pty Ltd http://www.spirit.net.au P.O. Box 486 +61 6 281 3552 Curtin. ACT. Australia 2605 +61 15 486 708 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 06:37:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA21982 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:37:08 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA21977 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:37:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01855; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:34:51 -0800 To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:20:59 EST." Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:34:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1853.817223691@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each > one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, > site nearest to him... Ah. Well, that would be both time consuming to collect and, as far as getting the remote system's load average is concerned, currently impossible.. :-( If those are the kinds of features that Amancio wants, then he wants the Internet as it will be in a few more years. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 06:45:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA22522 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:45:17 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA22515 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:45:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01879; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:43:04 -0800 To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:21:19 PST." <199511240221.SAA00353@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:43:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1877.817224183@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > As for doing an install from a second drive, I couldn't figured out what to > type in the sysinstall's UFS entry field . I tried different ways > of specifying my second drive and they *all* failed. 1. Mount it somewhere in the label editor (not marked for newfs). 2. Type the full pathname of the dist from the mount point. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 06:53:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA22937 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:53:15 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA22932 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:53:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA01915; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:49:14 -0800 To: "Serge A. Babkin" cc: andyh@compnews.co.uk (Andrew Hird), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ethernet cards for FreeBsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:30:24 +0500." <199511241030.PAA07928@hq.icb.chel.su> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:49:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1910.817224554@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > 2.1 (and -current) still do not contain the multicast support, Plug-n-Play > support and the common probing scheme for all 3COM cards support although > the patches for them exist. I also detect a faint implicit "grrrrr!" buried in this paragraph. :-) What's the deal with these patches and us? Has someone told you they don't *like* them, or have you and your patches simply been ignored? I would certainly hope not, but sometimes during release cycles things do get dropped on the floor. Heck, I'll commit your changes myself if it turns out that nobody's looking after this (once in -current, they can always be improved if and as necessary). I'm very sorry if this hasn't been dealt with properly! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 07:36:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA25181 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:36:55 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA25173 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:36:50 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA10544 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:30:46 -0600 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA12572; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:10:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:10:07 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199511241510.JAA12572@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: How long is long? Re: SYSCALL IDEAS Was: cvs commit: src/sys/kern sysv_msg.c sysv_sem.c sysv_shm.c Organization: Taronga Park BBS Cc: terry@lambert.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: >That's a bug in the standard in not having mechanisms for obtaining >sized types. For a 64 bit int (requiring a 64 bit long), short is ^^-- 128 >either 16 or 32 bits (undefined) and we lose access to either 32 or >16 bit types (respectively). What architecture requires a 64 bit (int)? IMHO, DEC did exactly the right thing making int 32 bits and long 64 bits, given the history of the language, but IMHO the original BSD port to the VAX should have done the same thing, rather than keeping it 32 bits for easier porting of PDP-11 code. Long doesn't and shouldn't mean "32 bits". From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 08:37:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA01287 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:37:38 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA01261 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:37:32 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA10776 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:23:01 -0600 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA13718; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:22:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:22:13 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199511241622.KAA13718@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re(2): panic: free vnode isn't Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Taronga Park BBS Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk (I really need to keep up in FreeBSD-Hackers) I have an HP Vectra RS/20 (386/20 + 387, 16 MB), Adaptec 1542, Seagate 1.05G drive (from a Sparcstation, comes up as "Sun 1.05"), nothing mounted NFS normally. Goes into this "silent hang" mode as often as every 20 minutes or it may last as long as 2-3 days. Since the Vectra doesn't boot DOS at all, I assumed it was a hardware problem. New hardware is on order. But if there's a real problem I need to do something. Running 2.0.5R, and available for experimentation at short notice if anyone wants me to try something. Usage is as a web/news/mail server for about 100 people. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 08:42:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA02234 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:42:51 -0800 Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA02220 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:42:45 -0800 Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA17637 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:42:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA20160; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:43:33 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199511241643.KAA20160@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Argh, lost console :-( To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 10:43:30 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 959 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Frustrating: I just lost my *(#@&@#^*( console again. What happened: I put xdm as the last entry in /etc/rc.local on a 486DX/33 with 32MB RAM, Fahrenheit 1280 VGA card, running 2.0.5R. When the system comes up it appeared to work but I totally lost my keyboard. xdm comes up, I can move my mouse, but I cannot type anything. After much poking and prodding at it with vidcontrol, I got it "sorta" back - I got a login: banner but only garbage when I typed. I was then able to run startx from remote - and everything worked (including kbd) - but when I exited, the keyboard was again in a sorry state. I'd just reboot the machine but it's also my ftp server, and there are people logged in. Is there a way to "reset" syscons to a sane state? ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 09:09:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA06499 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:09:29 -0800 Received: from chemserv.umd.edu (chemserv.umd.edu [129.2.64.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA06489 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:09:19 -0800 Received: from mocha.eng.umd.edu (mocha.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.16]) by chemserv.umd.edu (8.7.1/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06163; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by mocha.eng.umd.edu (8.7.2/8.6.4) id MAA02150; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:09:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@mocha.eng.umd.edu To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quick question about 'make world' in /usr/src In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Hi... > > I've taken a look at the Makefile in /usr/src, and am > slightly nervous of doing a 'make world'... > > ...what exactly does make world do? will it overwrite or > change anything on the live system, or *only* compile everything > under /usr/src? > > And, as far as that is concerned, if I want to install it > all, just 'make installmost'? > > Mainly, I don't relish the thought of destroying my system, > and there doesnt' seem to be much more docs on it then lookign at the > Makefile...and I dont' want to trust that I'm reading it right :( Make world DOES remake the world, every little part of FreeBSD right down to the docs. The only parts it doesn't do are the kernel itself and ports. I always do it as single user (I do a 'shutdown now' beforehand) because it replaces all the shared libs too, and that makes me nervous. I've been told this isn't necessary anymore, but I've never gotten a satisfactory explanation why not, so I feel safer that way. The make world does all the other parts (make depend, the directory tree, Make all, make install) you ought to go glance at the /usr/share/mk files and the /usr/src/Makefile itself. If you don't tell the make world otherwise, it compiles all the security in. I did this once and found myself locked out of my own machine, even tho I knew the passwords. Since I don't have any net connectivity, I feel I can get along with reduced security, so I invoke the make as: make world -DNOSECURE This doesn't remove passwords, but it does inhibit the Kerberos stuff, and the DES stuff. Passwords then are based on MD5. I usually use -DNOPROFILE also, to suppress building all the profiled libraries (saves time and diskspace, unless you need them). If you mess up on security, I saved myself once by booting 'kernel -s' so I entered single-user immediately, bypassing the password check. If I have any of this wrong, and someone sees it, I'd be happy to be corrected. > > thanks... > > Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) > scrappy@hub.org | > soon to be: | > scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. > > ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:11:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA10773 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:11:37 -0800 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10768 ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:11:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199511241811.KAA10768@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Serge A. Babkin" , andyh@compnews.co.uk (Andrew Hird), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ethernet cards for FreeBsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:49:14 PST." <1910.817224554@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:11:33 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> 2.1 (and -current) still do not contain the multicast support, Plug-n-Play >> support and the common probing scheme for all 3COM cards support although >> the patches for them exist. > >I also detect a faint implicit "grrrrr!" buried in this paragraph. :-) > >What's the deal with these patches and us? I have them, and will be testing/committing them this coming week along with some eisaconf changes for the driver. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:15:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11093 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:15:47 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11084 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:15:34 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09917; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241810.LAA09917@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: rlogin is blocked for quite a long time To: alexis@harley.ios.com (Alexis Yashkov) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:09:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, maral@webnet.com.au, freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511230525.AAA03458@harley.ios.com> from "Alexis Yashkov" at Nov 23, 95 00:25:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1346 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > When I rlogin into blues.physik.rwth-aachen (-current), log out > > > > > and try to login in right again I'm getting after a minute's > > > > > pause a connection refused. > > > > > > > > I've been annoyed by this one, too. Often. Even for nearby > > > > connections (e.g. uriah.heep.sax.de <-> sax.sax.de, one hop; or even > > > > on a local ethernet). > > > > > > Im using rsh over local ether on Win95 to run xterm's. > > > > > > In .rhosts I have the hostname and the FQDN and it seems ok. > > > > > > ie. > > > gate > > > gate.co.uk > > Why should I put short names in .rhosts? I don't think this > problem has something to do with name resolution. Because the getpeername() call is used to determine the remote machine name and if you have not correctly set your system up in the local domain, then the local domain name will not be stripped, and the FQDN will be used for verification. The semantics are so icarus.foo.com and icarus.weber.edu (for instance) aren't treated as if they are the same machine "icarus" in the local domain. Letting anyone with the ability to mung their local DNS record to one of your host names into your machines without challenging for a password. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:18:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11280 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:18:27 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11275 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:18:25 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA04950; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:18:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA00169; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:16:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199511241816.KAA00169@corbin.Root.COM> To: Joe Diehl cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 95 00:53:04 CST." <199511240653.AAA28015@gandalf.me.ksu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:16:58 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I just received a promotional thing in the mail from Intel >on their Etherexpress PRO/100 PCIs and am thinking about buying. > >Has anyone been able to get one of these guys working under FreeBSD? >Does FreeBSD support it? I just started writing a driver for it yesterday. Intel is very interested in getting driver support for it in FreeBSD and has provided me with everything I need to write it. I don't know how long it will take to finish it...so please don't ask. I'll send out an announcement when it is finished. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:20:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11452 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:20:10 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11441 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:20:05 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09932; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:15:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241815.LAA09932@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:15:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511230216.CAA27652@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 23, 95 02:16:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1367 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > If the replacement sectors are otherwise exposed as usable data sectors, > > turning it on would be Bad(tm) if you have already stored data on the > > drive. > > I don't _think_ anyone would be that stupid. I see you've never owned a WD1007 ESDI controller. 8-). > > If the replacement sectors are not otherwise exposed as usable data > > sectors, having it off at all is silly. > > See above. Your point is arguably valid. I don't buy the "on a bad day argument". I can't see how a good sector could be incorrectly marked bad, unless you have the driver cooperate in the marking and blow the driver programming. Either way, you'll eat the spare sectors while testing. I believe you can clear the sectors that have been remapped in any case by issuing SCSI commands. If nothing else, you can re low-level format the drive. So the people at risk are driver writers, and the inconvenience is only high if they write their drivers using large drive. 8-). I think that the device ought to have an "implied" media perfection layer that causes the remapping to be turned on by default when FreeBSD is installed. Hell, I think it ought to be turned on when Win95 is installed (it isn't, in case you were wondering). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:22:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11566 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:22:25 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11560 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:22:23 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09949; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:19:30 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241819.LAA09949@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Where is the documentation for ibcs2? To: grog@lemis.de Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:19:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511231732.SAA04117@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 23, 95 05:40:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 605 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I've just been thinking a bit about ibcs2, and went to look for the > documentation. I couldn't find anything likely in the FAQ, nor in the > handbook, nor in the source tree. Any suggestions, please? Installation is in the man page. Usage is "type the program name at a shell prompt, just like any other program name". Documentation as to what is/isn't IBCS2 is in the Intel and UNIPress books on the subject. It's not useful unless you are writing one. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:25:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA11771 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:25:41 -0800 Received: from bigbird.vmicls.com (bigbird.vmicls.com [198.17.96.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA11765 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:25:34 -0800 Received: from gonzo by bigbird.vmicls.com (8.6.9/SMI-4.1-vmicls-master-host-1) id NAA13809; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:27:56 -0500 From: Jerry.Kendall@vmicls.com (Jerry Kendall) Organization: VMI Communications and Learning Systems Received: by gonzo (5.0/vmi-client-host-1) id AA04883; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:27:54 +0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:27:54 +0500 Message-Id: <9511241827.AA04883.gonzo@vmicls.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: diskless X server using FreeBSD 2.0.5R X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 214 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I would like to setup my old 486-33 machine to run as a diskless FreeBSD/Xserver. Can this be done by first starting it as a diskless system and running X ???? OR is there a better way of doing this ????? Jerry From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:52:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA13042 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:52:18 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA13036 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:52:14 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA10011; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:48:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241848.LAA10011@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: VOP_RECLAIM and vnode references.. To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:48:54 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511232115.NAA11760@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Nov 23, 95 01:15:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4596 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In vclean() (the only usage of VOP_RECLAIM I have found) the following > happens: > > If a vnode has no references, it's left that way.. > if it DOES have a reference (v_usecount > 0) then it's artificially > incremented by one, to stop it going to 0 while the VOP_RECLAIM is active.. > > this is a bit stupid in my opinion... > > firstly, in devfs, my sanity code that checks that a vnode is referenced > before it uses it, throws a fit when asked by devfs_reclaim to > find the devfs_node associated with the vnode.. > > (this is why those of you that have made devfs report seeing > "!no reference!" on the console.. secoondly, it's unknown how long > a VOP_RECLAIM might take and something else may > come in and raise and lower the reference count while it's > happenning.. (not devfs, but their might be slower fs's) > > surely the v_usecount should be raised by one > regardless of whether it is already non-zero.? > > > the VOP_LOCK might make this un-needed, but I am loath > to take the sanity check code out of my devfs code.. > I figure that if I'm doing a vntodn() (vnode-to-devfsnode) > then I should be doing it on a referenced vnode.. > I don't like the fact that there is ONE exception.. > > "Except whenn asked to do it in a reclaim operation.." > I guess I could do a vref in devfs_reclaim before calling > vntodn() but why make a specific fix if a general one > is just as easy? > does anyone know why it's like it is? > I BELIEVE (but don't know) that this is the only time when > a vnode is passed toa filesystem without a reference.. I was looking at exactly this code last Wednesday. If you look at the VOP_LOCK code in the /sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c in ufs_lock, you'll see that the VXLOCK is observed. This actually complicates the lock process immensely (from profiling, there is as much time spent here as in the table reverse lookup for the op in the VOP table when resolving the descriptor because the VOP table isn't ordered). It turns out that most other FS's, including MSDOS, don't respect the cleaner this way. Since the intention is to disassociate the inode from the vnode, this is really broken. The short term fix is to do the VXLOCK/VXWANT dancing in all the other FS's. The real issue is the flawed interlock mechanism in the vget(), vclean(), vgoneall(), vgone() interaction, and the use of vnodes without regard to the underlying file system type (ie: an associated inode). To solve this, the vnode refrence count would need to be incremented as if for an open instance when it is put in the cache, or opened, etc., and the reference count would need to be guaraded by the lock. This would mean a change to the lock and vget() architecture. In particular, vget() guards the freelist by causing the process to go to sleep waiting for the bogus entry to be removed and returning an error instead of moving onto a non-bogus entry and returning it immediately. Save a bunch of waits and unnecessary voluntary context switches! In my opinion, there is no need for the underlying file system to support a VOP_LOCK/VOP_UNLOCK mechanism if the locking is instituted with a hierarchy lock based on the vnode. The underlying FS must support loging of its inode hash list during list access to prevent multiple allocation, but there is no need for a lock. Presumably, the lock mechanism was introduced to allow the underlying FS to overlay on top of multiple other FS's: like the union FS. This is because the underlying vnode lock is not allowed to be recursive. If we consider a union FS on top of FS 'a' and FS 'b', a lookup will return a referenced vnode. The underlying vnode for 'a' and 'b' for the object (say it is a directory existing in both) will be locked by the union FS. Because this lock is allowed to recurse, VOP's that require a lock to ensure exclusive access will be allowed to complete. The only remaining issues are that of transferring lock ownership in the union FS (relatively trivial) and in ensuring multiple entrancy by a single process (P1 makes an async I/O call and P1 makes another async I/O call, or P1 has two threads on two processors both making calls) blocks apropriately (FS multithreading via mutex for global and static local variable access). Given the amount of work in solving this "correctly" for all cases, I suggest you integrate the ufs VXLOCK spins for right now. It should "solve" your problem and let you go on to other code. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 10:57:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA13273 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:57:11 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA13266 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:57:07 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Fri, 24 Nov 95 18:57 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA26620; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:35:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199511241835.TAA26620@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Where is the documentation for ibcs2? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:35:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199511241819.LAA09949@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 24, 95 11:19:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1070 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > > > I've just been thinking a bit about ibcs2, and went to look for the > > documentation. I couldn't find anything likely in the FAQ, nor in the > > handbook, nor in the source tree. Any suggestions, please? > > Installation is in the man page. I think I need to reformulate my question: What is the name of the man page for ibcs2? If the answer is "ibcs2(x)", then the next question: Where do I find it in the source tree? I've searched the whole cvs tree and come up with a blank: + === grog@freebie (/dev/ttyp1) /usr/home/grog 1 -> ibcs2 + modload: /dev/lkm: Permission denied + === grog@freebie (/dev/ttyp1) /usr/home/grog 2 -> man ibcs2 + No manual entry for ibcs2 + === grog@freebie (/dev/ttyp1) /usr/home/grog 4 -> which ibcs2 + /usr/bin/ibcs2 > Usage is "type the program name at a shell prompt, just like any other > program name". > > Documentation as to what is/isn't IBCS2 is in the Intel and UNIPress > books on the subject. It's not useful unless you are writing one. Yes, I have *that* documentation. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 11:00:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA13536 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:00:32 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA13529 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:00:29 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA10049; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:55:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241855.LAA10049@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall To: scrappy@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:55:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Nov 24, 95 04:20:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1052 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites > > > from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to > > > pick a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the > > > target system? > > > > Uh. I can't parse this? > > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each > one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, > site nearest to him... That's how I parsed it too. The problem with this is that there's no way to know if the site is at or over its user limit after you've pinged. So closest != most available. Some type of extension to FTP to let it tell you how many slots you have open, and then using the time it took to get the response as "ping time" might work. But if you have a lot of these, inetd will assume the ftpd is respawning too rapidly and shut the site down for 10 minutes. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 11:10:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA14056 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:54 -0800 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14042 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:46 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA04086 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:44 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10078; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:05:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241905.MAA10078@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: How long is long? To: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:05:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, terry@lambert.org In-Reply-To: <199511241510.JAA12572@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Nov 24, 95 09:10:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1747 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Terry Lambert wrote: > >That's a bug in the standard in not having mechanisms for obtaining > >sized types. For a 64 bit int (requiring a 64 bit long), short is > ^^-- 128 ^^^-- 64 The size of long shall be greater than or equal to the sizeof int. Your 128 says "greater than" and ignores "equal to". > >either 16 or 32 bits (undefined) and we lose access to either 32 or > >16 bit types (respectively). > > What architecture requires a 64 bit (int)? Any architecture where 64 bits is the bus transfer size and the registers are 64 bits or larger. It's defined as the "natural type" for the machine. But I was assuming a 64 bit int, and it was the int requiring the 64 bit long, not anything requiring a 64 bit int. My complaint is about the long >= int requirement on longs. > IMHO, DEC did exactly the right thing making int 32 bits and long 64 bits, > given the history of the language, but IMHO the original BSD port to the > VAX should have done the same thing, rather than keeping it 32 bits for > easier porting of PDP-11 code. > > Long doesn't and shouldn't mean "32 bits". Maybe not. But *something* should mean "32 bits". The problem is that with a 64 bit int (which, despite your opinion of DEC and grandfathering old software, is correct for the Alpha): int == 64 :== long == 64 short == 32 || short == 16 char == 8 You lose access to either 32 bit or 16 bit sized types. Period. What about existing on-disk data? ANSI doesn't allow "long long" or "quad". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 11:16:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA14496 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:16:34 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14491 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:16:30 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10123; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:13:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511241913.MAA10123@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Where is the documentation for ibcs2? To: grog@lemis.de Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:13:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511241835.TAA26620@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 24, 95 07:35:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 964 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Installation is in the man page. > > I think I need to reformulate my question: > > What is the name of the man page for ibcs2? There isn't one. There doesn't need to be one. I think I need to rephrase my answer: You use "modload", whose man page is "modload(8)" to load it. You don't have any other options regarding IBCS2: you only have the option of loading it or not loading it. Typically, you don't document things that don't have parameters, options, or other controls. Things like IBCS2 are binary: they either are or are not loaded. If you don't want to load it as a module (why not? It's an easy thing to do), then you can statically compile it. Look at /sys/i386/conf/LINT, at the bottom of the file: # More undocumented options for linting. options COMPAT_LINUX options "IBCS2" Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 11:27:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA15023 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:27:26 -0800 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15013 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:27:11 -0800 Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA06986; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:26:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Terry Lambert cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-Reply-To: <199511241855.LAA10049@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites > > > > from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to > > > > pick a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the > > > > target system? > > > > > > Uh. I can't parse this? > > > > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each > > one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, > > site nearest to him... > > That's how I parsed it too. > > The problem with this is that there's no way to know if the site is > at or over its user limit after you've pinged. So closest != most > available. > > Some type of extension to FTP to let it tell you how many slots you > have open, and then using the time it took to get the response as "ping > time" might work. > > But if you have a lot of these, inetd will assume the ftpd is respawning > too rapidly and shut the site down for 10 minutes. > > The other thing would be the time it woudl take to do the connect to each site (consider that I'm on a 14.4 connection right now, not a T1 or ISDN), then to do the handshaking to find out if it was a *good* site, but then try all the others to find out if there is a better one...how many "other sites" are there now? Marc G. Fournier | Knowledge, Information and Communications, Inc (ki.net) scrappy@hub.org | soon to be: | scrappy@ki.net | For more information, send me email. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 12:11:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA18116 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:11:31 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18110 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:11:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA00393; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:09:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199511241209.EAA00393@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help! I got a bad block.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:15:13 MST." <199511241815.LAA09932@phaeton.artisoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:09:58 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Terry Lambert said: > > Either way, you'll eat the spare sectors while testing. > > I believe you can clear the sectors that have been remapped in any case > by issuing SCSI commands. If nothing else, you can re low-level format > the drive. Well, I ended up low-level formatting my disk because I think that the re-map sector space was full . Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 12:57:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA21236 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:57:37 -0800 Received: from devnull.mpd.tandem.com (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21231 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:57:32 -0800 Received: from olympus by devnull.mpd.tandem.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA19480; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:56:38 -0600 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA08284; Fri, 24 Nov 95 14:56:02 CST From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9511242056.AA08284@olympus> Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:56:01 -0600 (CST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511241855.LAA10049@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 24, 95 11:55:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1434 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > Given that the current sysinstall has a list of FreeBSD mirror sites > > > > from where one can do a net install, shouldn't net install be able to > > > > pick a site based on net response to do the site sites and load on the > > > > target system? > > > > > > Uh. I can't parse this? > > > > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each > > one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, > > site nearest to him... > > That's how I parsed it too. > > The problem with this is that there's no way to know if the site is > at or over its user limit after you've pinged. So closest != most > available. Keep a list, sort it and move down it in order? Then you get the fastest available. Boyd > > Some type of extension to FTP to let it tell you how many slots you > have open, and then using the time it took to get the response as "ping > time" might work. > > But if you have a lot of these, inetd will assume the ftpd is respawning > too rapidly and shut the site down for 10 minutes. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner - faulkner@isd.tandem.com - http://cactus.org/~faulkner _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 13:20:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA22956 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:20:25 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22879 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:20:14 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id QAA09898; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:07:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Ethernet cards for FreeBsd To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Serge A. Babkin" , Andrew Hird , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1910.817224554@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > What's the deal with these patches and us? Has someone told you they > don't *like* them, or have you and your patches simply been ignored? > I would certainly hope not, but sometimes during release cycles things > do get dropped on the floor. Heck, I'll commit your changes myself if > it turns out that nobody's looking after this (once in -current, they > can always be improved if and as necessary). I'm very sorry if this > hasn't been dealt with properly! we use 3c509b's exclusively here. send me the patches relative to either 1.1.5.1 or 2.1.0 and i WILL install them. then i will beat the hell out the boxes in (nearly) any way you want. jmb Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 14:06:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA25730 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:06:17 -0800 Received: from snake.hut.fi (snake.hut.fi [193.167.6.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25701 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:06:04 -0800 Received: from freud.hut.fi (freud.hut.fi [192.26.109.226]) by snake.hut.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA14528 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:05:47 +0200 (EET) Received: (vode@localhost) by freud.hut.fi (8.6.12/8.6.7) id AAA05810; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:05:46 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:05:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199511242205.AAA05810@freud.hut.fi> From: Kai Vorma To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Java.. Reply-to: Kai.Vorma@hut.fi Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Netscape 2.0B3 is now out (ftp://ftp.netscape.com/2.0b3/unix) and Java Applet support is now available for Linux (but not for BSDI). The linux version seems to be working under emulation (-current) so check it out if you are interested! To get it working you have to delete /etc/host.conf because linux uses different syntax than FreeBSD. ..vode From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 15:08:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA00568 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:08:58 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA00543 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:08:48 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA10528; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:00:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511242300.QAA10528@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:00:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9511242056.AA08284@olympus> from "Boyd Faulkner" at Nov 24, 95 02:56:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 524 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The problem with this is that there's no way to know if the site is > > at or over its user limit after you've pinged. So closest != most > > available. > > Keep a list, sort it and move down it in order? Then you get the fastest > available. I think maybe you could have installed from a slightly slower but available server by the time you get all the information together. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 15:16:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA01391 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:16:46 -0800 Received: from tetsuo.communique.net (Tetsuo.Communique.Net [204.27.64.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA01378 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:16:36 -0800 Received: from tetsuo.communique.net (Tetsuo.Communique.Net [204.27.64.10]) by tetsuo.communique.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA55464 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 17:15:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 17:15:58 -0600 (CST) From: Raul Zighelboim To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: xmodem on a kermit session ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Is there a terminal emulator for FreeBSD that would support xmodem file transfer ? Or , is it possible to download a file using xmodem on kermitt's terminal window ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raul Zighelboim e-mail: mango@communique.net Communique Inc. Tel: 504.527.6200 Technical Specialist Fax: 504.527.6030 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 16:11:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA06469 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:11:03 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (ns045.munich.netsurf.de [194.64.166.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA06453 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:10:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12947; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:15:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199511231415.PAA12947@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Would anyone buy a ported Wind River `Tornado' real time package ? Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-mailer: EXMH version 1.6.4 10/10/95 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:16:55 +0100." <199511212316.AAA19137@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:15:25 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, In reply to: > As Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > Do any of you work for companies that would want to purchase copies of > > Wind River Systems' `Tornado' real time software development support packag -e, > > if it were to be ported to FreeBSD ? > > What does it do? as said: real time software development support package Costs around of 15 000 German Marks ! > Perhaps you could provide a demo version? If I am paid to port it, & if Wind River agree to a demo version (likely), certainly :-) Julian Julian H. Stacey EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ TEL: +49.89.268616 FAX: +49.89.2608126 CONSULTANT: Internet, Unix, C POST: Vector Systems Ltd, Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 16:15:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA07007 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:15:52 -0800 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (ns045.munich.netsurf.de [194.64.166.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA06983 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:15:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13627; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:22:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199511231622.RAA13627@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: piero@strider.ibenet.it cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo), jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: it.freebsd.org Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-mailer: EXMH version 1.6.4 10/10/95 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:04:31 +0100." <199511211104.MAA00871@strider.ibenet.it> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:22:06 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hello/Ciao. Hi Piero, Your double length Italian + English posting has just confirmed my feeling about the Tower of Babel ;-) I only recently resubscribed hackers, but suspect Jordan may be lurking behind this idea for national language lists ? :-) Good job you'r not here Jordan, I'd be slipping something in your capuccino ;-) After struggling to speak French (in real time, that's the hard bit), to the waiter in the Internet Cafe here in Munich last night, it's a relief to slip back to my habitual English on screen, + German in the local environment, Nothing against French language BTW, it's the 1st foreign language I learnt, but I would Hate to abandon our Lingua Franca (common language).... even if our American `cousins' have hi-jacked the Original language, & done strange things with the English spelling ;-) No double-speak for me thanks ;-) Best Regards Mit freundliche Gruessen Avec nos meilleurs sentiments Ciao etc etc etc etc .... Julian Julian H. Stacey EMAIL: jhs@freebsd.org WEB: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 18:11:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA11845 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:11:35 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA11836 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:11:32 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA15232 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:56:56 -0600 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA25262 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:39:32 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199511250039.SAA25262@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: How long is long? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:39:32 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199511241905.MAA10078@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 24, 95 12:05:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 874 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The size of long shall be greater than or equal to the sizeof int. Your > 128 says "greater than" and ignores "equal to". That's fine. I believe that the standard is overcautious. I believe that the original use of 32 bit longs in 3BSD was a mistake. > My complaint is about the long >= int requirement on longs. Yep. Should be "long > int". > > Long doesn't and shouldn't mean "32 bits". > Maybe not. But *something* should mean "32 bits". Whatever means "32 bits" should have the number "32" or the number "4" in its name. That is, if you need a 32 bit value *specifically* then you should use a native or derived type called "int32" or something similar. > What about existing on-disk data? Bailey Network Management uses derived types for all external data structures. I authored the coding standard. It is a fundamental error to depend on implied sizes. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Nov 24 21:09:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA27280 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 21:09:27 -0800 Received: from iis (iis.webnet.com.au [203.8.105.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA27250 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 21:09:12 -0800 Received: from jazzy.phase-one.com.au (gw.phase-one.com.au [203.21.35.254]) by iis (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26439; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:09:29 +1100 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 05:06:10 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Marelas X-Sender: maral@jazzy.phase-one.com.au To: Joe Greco cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Argh, lost console :-( In-Reply-To: <199511241643.KAA20160@solaria.sol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Joe Greco wrote: > Frustrating: I just lost my *(#@&@#^*( console again. > > What happened: I put xdm as the last entry in /etc/rc.local on a 486DX/33 > with 32MB RAM, Fahrenheit 1280 VGA card, running 2.0.5R. The README in XF86312 says to start xdm from a tty in /etc/ttys The easiest way to automatically start the display manager on boot is to add a line in /etc/ttys to start it on one of the unoccupied virtual terminals: ttyv4 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure You should also make sure that /usr/X11R6/bin/X is a symbolic link to the Xserver that matches your video card or edit the file Xservers in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm to specify the pathname of the X server. The change to /etc/ttys won't take effect until you either reboot or ``kill -HUP 1'' to force initd to reread /etc/ttys. You can also test the display manager manually by loging in as root on the console and typing ``xdm -nodaemon''. > > When the system comes up it appeared to work but I totally lost my keyboard. > xdm comes up, I can move my mouse, but I cannot type anything. > > After much poking and prodding at it with vidcontrol, I got it "sorta" back > - I got a login: banner but only garbage when I typed. I was then able to > run startx from remote - and everything worked (including kbd) - but when I > exited, the keyboard was again in a sorry state. > > I'd just reboot the machine but it's also my ftp server, and there are > people logged in. > > Is there a way to "reset" syscons to a sane state? > > ... Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net > Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 01:42:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA15789 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:42:36 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA15778 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:42:31 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA19213 ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 07:42:22 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA03160 ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 07:42:21 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id AAA01820; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:42:15 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511242342.AAA01820@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Where is the documentation for ibcs2? To: grog@lemis.de Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:42:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511241835.TAA26620@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Nov 24, 95 07:35:47 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Greg Lehey said: > + === grog@freebie (/dev/ttyp1) /usr/home/grog 1 -> ibcs2 > + modload: /dev/lkm: Permission denied You've got to be root to load a kernel module. After you're root, run the command again and launch any iBCS2 binary as if it were a FreeBSD one. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 06:53:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA01803 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 06:53:00 -0800 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA01795 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 06:52:35 -0800 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.235) with smtp id ; Sat, 25 Nov 95 15:52 MET Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04145 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:52:54 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199511251452.PAA04145@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: any eprom guru out there ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:52:53 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1121 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hello has anybody some deeper experience with boot-eproms and the netboot FreeBSD-code ? - my problem is that i want to make a boot prom for a smc-elite 16 plus card - the docs say: the chip is 27512 and the rom window size is 16k - but the 27512 is a 64k chip - now my question - is it possible to burn the standard FreeBSD boot-rom code (which is 16k by default and will fail with ROMSIZE set to 64k - due to a .word ROMSITE in start2.S) into the 64k eprom or can i use 16k eproms (27128) in the smc-elite 16 plus card ? thanks in advance t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 08:14:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA04749 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 08:14:30 -0800 Received: from spot.lodgenet.com (lodgenet.iw.net [204.157.148.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA04671 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 08:12:33 -0800 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by spot.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA08083; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 10:12:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA17067; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 10:28:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199511251628.KAA17067@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Raul Zighelboim cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, erich@lodgenet.com Subject: Re: xmodem on a kermit session ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 17:15:58 CST." Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 10:28:55 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Raul Zighelboim writes: > >Is there a terminal emulator for FreeBSD that would support xmodem file >transfer ? Or , is it possible to download a file using xmodem on kermitt's >terminal window ? Yea, I use kermit for zmodem transfers, xmodem should be similar. my .kermrc looks like: def rz run rz <\v(line) >/\v(line) def sz run sz \%1 <\v(line) >\v(line) I use kermit to login to the remote site, then initiate the zmodem transfer, escape to a kermit prompt and type `rz' > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Raul Zighelboim e-mail: mango@communique.net >Communique Inc. Tel: 504.527.6200 >Technical Specialist Fax: 504.527.6030 > eric. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 09:57:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA09427 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:57:52 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09421 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:57:50 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA12883 for hackers@freefall; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:51:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:51:10 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199511251751.JAA12883@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: /c is totally fully again on freefall! :-( Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk 8837 phk 14316 jkh 16813 jmb 34840 davidg 49473 maillogs 66175 rich 70456 freefall.local 110308 local 110712 NetBSD 124987 src 193023 4.4BSD-Lite2 316445 ports 403724 www From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 11:03:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA13911 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:03:56 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA13905 ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:03:52 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA30226; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 06:01:55 +1100 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 06:01:55 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511251901.GAA30226@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua Subject: Re: Probing KBD. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >: The probe is supposed to time out after 5 seconds, but it has well-known >: bugs that somehow haven't been fixed in either 2.1 or -current. After >: timing out after 5 seconds, it executes an endless loop. >: The keyboard is only initialized at probe time, so it may not work if >: it is plugged in later. > I have a proposal of a simple change to a console driver, > inspired with what I have seen on BSDI: > if it can't probe the keyboard, it then happily shouts > something like -- "Hey, there isn't a keyboard here! I'm now > acting as a black-box router!" -- to the console, > and goes on booting. syscons is supposed to print "scprobe: keyboard won't accept reset command" and continue, but because of the bug it rarely prints this (never if there is a keyboard attached). The keyboard should be initialized after every console switch in case X owned the keyboard and messed up something, e.g., the keyboard repeat rate. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 11:07:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA14017 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:07:18 -0800 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA14012 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:07:14 -0800 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tJPrN-000I5JC; Sat, 25 Nov 95 20:02 MET Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tJPqf-00001cC; Sat, 25 Nov 95 20:01 MET Message-Id: From: hm@altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: A-Law support for nas or sox ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 20:01:17 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 284 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has someone heard of or actually has support for the A-Law audio format for sox and/or nas (nas preferred) ? hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 12:25:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA15640 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:25:53 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15635 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:25:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16290 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:18:45 -0800 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Thoughts on the install and on Red Hat Linux. Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:18:45 -0800 Message-ID: <16288.817330725@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just installed RedHat 2.1 on my spare box. Hmmmmm. First impressions.. I have to say that some of the debate that just went on in ports concerning the new install structure should probably have waited until all the principals had done some more checking into existing technologies. :-) There is a wealth of valuable examples to study in RHL, both good and bad. I don't think I like their RPMS very much, but many of the ideas behind them are good. I especially liked their X based package browser - though the interface was seriously clunky and needed a face-lift, it could at least be said to be working NOW. I give them full marks for having done a lot more of the ground work than we have. If I had to make a guesstimate, I'd say that Red Hat is about half a generation ahead of everybody else in the free OS world at this time. Only half, however, and their continued use of libdialog has cramped their style outside of X (where one still spends considerable amounts of time during the RedHat install), forcing some information to be presented in a somewhat constrained fashion. A good example of this are their TCP/IP setup dialogs, and some of the early X stuff. Nonetheless, I was favorably impressed by the sheer depth of their coverage and I was asked enough questions to bring me all the way up into X on the first try, the installer even giving me the chance to ID everything from my board's clock chip to the monitor specs. Yup, this is how to do it! Once in X, the root login had a reasonable set of defaults (I made a note: give root some reasonable .dotfiles!! :-) for bringing up fvwm and a small desktop, one application being the Red Hat configuration utility - a little TK GUI based app that lets you go see which packages you haven't installed yet, get information on existing ones, add and manage EXT2FS / NFS mounts, etc. Actually nothing to really win any X GUI design awards, but again - it's a lot more than we've got! :-) Actually, I found the experience encouraging. It showed me what we might leapfrog past ourselves, given a concerted development effort based on some of their ideas and a close examination of our own experiences. I think there some things we still do better (and can do even better still) and some things they do way better, but we can get there too, and probably with a better toolchest when we arrive. I know that I've been a bit of a demagogue with sysinstall in the past, but I'm ready to try and share the responsibilities for setup more and try to be more receptive to different ideas. My primary goal is that we get some *robust* tools, with plenty of safety netting, and an easy-to-use interface for them that looks halfway like something you might expect to see on a commercial product. I don't really care who does the work, just so it gets done! :) Can we re-open the traditional (heh heh) dialog on this topic? Here's my own list of dialog-starters: 1. I think we need to continue with the button & list objects that Marc van Kempen started, though we probably should start over in another library outside of /usr/src/gnu so as to get one more piece out from under the GPL. We might want to also go for a more forms based approach to Marc's objects since having to do the object traversal yourself in the application gets tedious - it would be better to allow a forms shell to handle the traversal along pre-configured paths, calling any callback functions registered to various objects along the way. Then we should add back all the primitive objects necessary to re-implement menus, gauges, text boxes and whatever else we're using from libdialog. We can have some *real* radio button menus that call individual callbacks when you toggle the items - whoopie! :) [only folks who have worked with libdialog much will appreciate the significance of that one] 2. I think we need to sit down and devise a list of tcl commands, in their own little library and name space, for doing all the sorts of things that one might want to do to files on the system in the process of "installing packages." Maybe we'll find that existing TCL or TCLX primitives require just a few more additions to make for a completely robust package building environment, I dunno. We'll just have to look and see. 3. We should start looking at what we need to do to get the user into X in as fool-proof a fashion as possible, working with the folks doing #1 for the various GUI elements required. I'd like to even see this done as a separate little sub-project with at least 3 team members (call it "project slingshot" or something) since it's actually a non-trivial task and a very important one besides. It'd be nice if the people focusing on this piece were able to do so almost exclusively until completion (and I might even be one of those people, it's hard to say). Comments? Rotten eggs? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 12:41:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA16073 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:41:23 -0800 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA16043 ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:41:12 -0800 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA02784; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:41:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu To: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD WWW survey Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! In an ongoing effort to improve the usefulness of the FreeBSD WWW pages, I am conducting a survey. If you have used the FreeBSD WWW pages, a few moments of your time to answer the questions below will be greatly appreciated. If you have not visited the FreeBSD WWW pages, you may visit http://www.freebsd.org/ for a quick tour and then answer the survey questions. There are two types of questions: A. Multiple choice - either place a mark by the appropriate answer, or delete the inappropriate answers. B. Short answer - just type in your response below the question. Please address all responses to jfieber@freebsd.org or jfieber@indiana.edu. No mail headers from your answer will be kept with the survey data. (or kept at all for that matter...) Thank you for your time, John Fieber ------------------------------------------------------------------ A. Familiarity: 1. How would you rate your familiarity with Unix? A. Never heard of it B. Know what it is C. A new user D. A casual user E. Experienced F. System Administrator G. Kernel hacker 2. How would you rate your experience with the Web? A. Never heard of it B. Know what it is C. A new user D. A casual user E. Experienced F. Webmaster 3. How would you rate your experience with Internet? A. Never heard of it B. Know what it is C. A new user D. A casual user E. Experienced F. Service Provider 4. How did you learn about FreeBSD? 5. How did you find the FreeBSD homepage? 6. Do you think FreeBSD is adequately publicized? B. Useability/Ease of use: 1. Do you find this "homepage" easy to use? A. Excellent B. Good C. Satisfactory D. Difficult 2. Do you find the organization of this page easy to grasp? A. Excellent B. Good C. Satisfactory D. Difficult 3. Are you able navigate through the pages easily? A. Yes B. No C. Yes except... (comment) 4. What is your opinion of the efficiency of the organization of this data? 5. If you were explaining this Web site to a new user, how would you: A. warn them B. reassure them 6. Do you feel like this is wasteful of your time or an efficient use of time? 7. Was it as difficult as you would expect, considering your experience level? C. Satisfaction 1. Do you feel that you've learned enough about FreeBSD from this Web site? 2. For which level of users is this Web site most appropriate? A. A new user B. A casual user C. Experienced D. System Administrator E. Kernel hacker 3. If you were to change these Web pages, where would you start? 5. Do you feel encouraged to contribute to these Web pages and the FreeBSD project? 6. Do you have any other comments? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 13:07:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA16787 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:07:58 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16780 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:07:53 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA13601; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:04:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511252104.OAA13601@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Where is the documentation for ibcs2? To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: grog@lemis.de, terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511242342.AAA01820@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Nov 25, 95 00:42:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 503 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It seems that Greg Lehey said: > > + === grog@freebie (/dev/ttyp1) /usr/home/grog 1 -> ibcs2 > > + modload: /dev/lkm: Permission denied > > You've got to be root to load a kernel module. After you're root, run the > command again and launch any iBCS2 binary as if it were a FreeBSD one. Look at the end of /etc/sysconfig. Modify the "NO" to "YES". Reboot. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 14:42:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA21702 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:42:06 -0800 Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA21694 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:41:58 -0800 Received: from katiska.clinet.fi (root@katiska.clinet.fi [194.100.0.4]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA29890; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 00:41:42 +0200 Received: (hsu@localhost) by katiska.clinet.fi (8.6.12/8.6.4) id AAA09651; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 00:41:51 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 00:41:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199511252241.AAA09651@katiska.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: rich@spirit.com.au (Rich Siggs) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: rich@spirit.com.au's message of 24 Nov 1995 16:34:35 +0200 Subject: Re: 16 ports Boca - anyone using it? Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My first card had bad probe problems, with the odd 1 or more ports simply not probing-on-boot.. Actually, this has stabilised greatly since I re-org'd the "guts" of that Server ;) We see lots of this after panics (usually a reboot cures it), on several machines. I tried adding multiple sio lines in kernel config and it helps considerably. If the first probe does not see, often next or third one sees, but it still misses some ports sometimes (I have tried up to 8 probes). As it happens particularly often on lines which have lots of traffic, it might be fifo-related. All our AST4:s do this, but there is large variation between different machines, one of them looses serial ports every week, one does it less than once every couple of months. The machine which does this most often has lots of NE2000 clones inside, that could explain it (NE2000 clones explain a lot of things :-). cy driver does not exhibit this (though it exhibits other problems, but not so serious in our environment). -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi work +358-0-4375209 fax -4555276 home -8031121 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 15:42:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA26794 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:42:53 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26789 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:42:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA04661; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 07:41:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199511251541.HAA04661@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:34:51 PST." <1853.817223691@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 07:41:31 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > I think that what he's asking for is that sysinstall pings each > > one in the list to automatically find the closest, or at least fastest, > > site nearest to him... > > Ah. Well, that would be both time consuming to collect and, as far > as getting the remote system's load average is concerned, currently > impossible.. :-( > > If those are the kinds of features that Amancio wants, then he wants > the Internet as it will be in a few more years. :) Hi, We can still do it with snmp queries ... We could issue parallel queries to the designated target machines and wait lets way wait for 30 seconds or so for the queries to come back. The snmp query could be to request the number of ftp connections or the current system load --- that your pick or do both :) We got an snmp expert in the house, Pohl... What do think? Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 16:44:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA29880 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:44:33 -0800 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA29875 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:44:30 -0800 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id BAA00570; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:41:24 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199511260041.BAA00570@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:41:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, scrappy@hub.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511251541.HAA04661@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 25, 95 07:41:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1064 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > We can still do it with snmp queries ... We could issue parallel queries to > the designated target machines and wait lets way wait for 30 seconds or > so for the queries to come back. The snmp query could be to request the > number of ftp connections or the current system load --- that your pick > or do both :) > > We got an snmp expert in the house, Pohl... What do think? On this subject, is there an snmp client for FreeBSD ? A nice GUI wouldn't disturb... I would like to use it mainly to ask info from routers, so will also appreciate pointers to other tools that can be used to extract information such as statistics, routing tables etc. Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 16:51:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA00303 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:51:26 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA00298 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:51:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00823; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:50:07 -0800 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.), scrappy@hub.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:41:24 +0100." <199511260041.BAA00570@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:50:07 -0800 Message-ID: <821.817347007@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > We can still do it with snmp queries ... We could issue parallel queries t o > > the designated target machines and wait lets way wait for 30 seconds or > > so for the queries to come back. The snmp query could be to request the > > number of ftp connections or the current system load --- that your pick > > or do both :) > > > > We got an snmp expert in the house, Pohl... What do think? > > On this subject, is there an snmp client for FreeBSD ? A nice GUI > wouldn't disturb... tkined? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 17:01:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA01067 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:01:34 -0800 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01061 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:01:32 -0800 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA07369 ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:00:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.), jkh@time.cdrom.com, scrappy@hub.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:41:24 +0100." <199511260041.BAA00570@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:00:49 -0800 Message-ID: <7367.817347649@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo wrote in message ID <199511260041.BAA00570@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>: > On this subject, is there an snmp client for FreeBSD ? A nice GUI > wouldn't disturb... > I would like to use it mainly to ask info from routers, so will also > appreciate pointers to other tools that can be used to extract > information such as statistics, routing tables etc. tkined is nice. Ask Jordan. I introduced him to it :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 17:21:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA02212 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:21:14 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02203 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:21:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00645; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:20:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199511251720.JAA00645@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:41:24 +0100." <199511260041.BAA00570@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:20:24 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Luigi Rizzo said: > > We can still do it with snmp queries ... We could issue parallel queries to > > the designated target machines and wait lets way wait for 30 seconds or > > so for the queries to come back. The snmp query could be to request the > > number of ftp connections or the current system load --- that your pick > > or do both :) > > > > We got an snmp expert in the house, Pohl... What do think? > > On this subject, is there an snmp client for FreeBSD ? A nice GUI > wouldn't disturb... > > I would like to use it mainly to ask info from routers, so will also > appreciate pointers to other tools that can be used to extract > information such as statistics, routing tables etc. Howdy, We have the cmu snmp stuff it should be in the xperiment ports section and we also got Pohl-Koening who wrote the original tcl snmp package which the cmu people borrow to implement their tcl interface. So track down Pohl pull him by his arm and ask for his snmp package 8) BTW: a side note --- at Cisco I used Pohl's snmp package to flush out bugs in cisco snmp implementation . Actually we went hog wild with his package and implemented a mini network management platform 8) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 17:31:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA02665 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:31:20 -0800 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02660 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:31:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00746; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:30:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199511251730.JAA00746@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Gary Palmer cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1 release sysinstall In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:00:49 PST." <7367.817347649@westhill.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:30:38 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Perhaps, someone should make an entry in the FreeBSD apps section pointing out snmp solutions available for FreeBSD. Here is a partial output of an snmp walk using cmu's snmpwalk . 204.188.121.17 is my ascend pipeline 50 . ./apps/snmpwalk -v 1 204.188.121.17 public ip ip.ipForwarding.0 = forwarding(1) ip.ipDefaultTTL.0 = 64 ip.ipInReceives.0 = 99792 ip.ipInHdrErrors.0 = 0 ip.ipInAddrErrors.0 = 0 ip.ipForwDatagrams.0 = 88416 ip.ipInUnknownProtos.0 = 0 ip.ipInDiscards.0 = 0 ip.ipInDelivers.0 = 740 ip.ipOutRequests.0 = 5148 ip.ipOutDiscards.0 = 0 ip.ipOutNoRoutes.0 = 0 ip.ipReasmTimeout.0 = 0 ip.ipReasmReqds.0 = 0 >>> Gary Palmer said: > Luigi Rizzo wrote in message ID > <199511260041.BAA00570@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>: > > On this subject, is there an snmp client for FreeBSD ? A nice GUI > > wouldn't disturb... > > > I would like to use it mainly to ask info from routers, so will also > > appreciate pointers to other tools that can be used to extract > > information such as statistics, routing tables etc. > > tkined is nice. Ask Jordan. I introduced him to it :-) > > Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 17:40:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA02988 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:40:35 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA02981 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:40:23 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA06471 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:18:35 -0600 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA28159; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:14:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:14:40 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199511260114.TAA28159@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: machine reboot & kernel maxusers option References: <199511051031.VAA32280@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <199511051651.RAA28347@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: >I really don't like the two dozen ``foo: not found at address ...'' >messages for the installation kernel. I like it. A lot. I hate systems that don't tell me what the hell they're doing on boot-up (see also, Windows NT, SCO, Unixware). How about at least an "options BOOTVERBOSE" for us belt-and-suspenders types? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 18:13:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA04534 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:13:03 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA04520 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:12:50 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA06731 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:44:41 -0600 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA28662; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:27:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:27:50 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199511260127.TAA28662@bonkers.taronga.com> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: More nits In-Reply-To: <1239.815258519@time.cdrom.com> References: <199511011940.MAA15296@rocky.sri.MT.net> Organization: Taronga Park BBS Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <1239.815258519@time.cdrom.com>, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >What I would be willing to do is add the concept of "bonus packs" or >something where there are multiple, aggregated sets of packages loaded >as a group. Anything less than this and there's no reason not to >simply use the package loading menu. Anyone care to suggest some >standard sets? a "gnu bonus pack" with all the "standard" gnu tools would be good. a "tcl/tk bonus pack" is of course required, tcl, tk, tcldp, expect, ... a "gnu developer" pack, with gmake and so on... a "gnu X" pack, ghostview, ghostscript, ... an "X desktop" pack, xfm, xv (if allowed), xpaint, etc... a "mh" pack, with mh, vmail, xmh, ... a "news" pack, with trn, inn, ... an "ISP" pack: mh pack, gnu pack, news pack, webserver, lynx, wuftpd, pine, elm, ... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 18:54:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA06854 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:54:02 -0800 Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA06849 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:53:56 -0800 Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id EAA21462 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:57:13 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with ESMTP id EAA03441 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:11:16 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id EAA06848; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:11:15 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199511260211.EAA06848@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Probing KBD. To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 04:11:14 +0200 (EET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511251901.GAA30226@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 26, 95 06:01:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 778 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk # syscons is supposed to print "scprobe: keyboard won't accept reset # command" and continue, but because of the bug it rarely prints this # (never if there is a keyboard attached). For me (with 2.0.5) it didn't even with keyboard detached. Though, I didn't do deep search on the issue. But I like BSDI behaviour. # The keyboard should be initialized after every console switch in case # X owned the keyboard and messed up something, e.g., the keyboard # repeat rate. So, this is the real source of that strange behaviour when Alt key seems to remain "pressed" after exiting X until you hit it several times? # Bruce # -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 An undocumented feature is a coding error. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 19:49:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA09137 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:49:01 -0800 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA09132 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:48:52 -0800 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD-4.4) id OAA05915; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:48:12 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199511260348.OAA05915@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: SNMP for FreeBSD To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:48:11 +1100 (EST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511251720.JAA00645@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Nov 25, 95 09:20:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 608 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. writes: > We have the cmu snmp stuff it should be in the xperiment ports section and > we also got Pohl-Koening who wrote the original tcl snmp package which the > cmu people borrow to implement their tcl interface. So track down Pohl pull > him by his arm and ask for his snmp package 8) The only (significant) obstacle I found to getting this going on my FreeBSD hosts was not having sufficiently well-documented examples configuration files. The ones included in the package I picked up some time ago were somewhat confusing :-( Additions in this area would be most welcome, michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 20:26:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA10202 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 20:26:57 -0800 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA10196 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 20:26:44 -0800 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA04693; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 23:26:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 23:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thoughts on the install and on Red Hat Linux. In-Reply-To: <16288.817330725@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Nov 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Can we re-open the traditional (heh heh) dialog on this topic? [...] > Comments? Rotten eggs? Just to keep focus on the ultimate purpose of the installation software, making installation painless, or even fun, I offer this less technical description of what is in order for the next great installation. I think developing a slick new X install program is nifty, but meaningless if some more basic installation issues are not addressed first. 1. Look at the people who will be installing FreeBSD. Maybe divide them into a couple groups new users, and upgraders. 2. Write a very high-level description of the "ideal" installation process for each of the groups. (eg: create boot floppy, boot, prep disk, install, configure). This will seem over-simplistic given the hairy realities of PC hardware, but it is a target to shoot for. 3. Make a list of everything about the state of the world that the installation program needs to know, *and* whether this information can (a) be *reliably* determined by the installation program, or (b) it must be supplied by the user. This list will probably grow as time goes on so keep it handy. 4. For each item on list 3(b), identify where or how the user will obtain the needed information. This is important and must take step 1 into account! 5. Show list 3(b) to the wizards and tell them that they *must* figure out how to *reliably* determine at least 90% of the information without user intervention. (The big challenge here is to make list 3(b) as small as possible!) 6. Make a list of every possible thing that could go wrong during the installation. Describe (a) what the system can do on its own to recover or (b) what options the user has to recover/abort. 7. Review the information from 4 and group related items related by information type (eg network IP numbers). Make a rough sequence mapping based on 2. 8. Make mock-up dialog screens. These will be based on information from 7. Help screens will be based on 4. Plain text files work fine for these prototypes. Alternately, make up a set of html pages that people can flip through. 9. Have people filp through the prototype screens. Observe where they get confused, what information they can't provide, where they make incorrect choices. Offer beer if need be. 10. Based on 9, go back to 6 and revise. 11. If there is information people have difficulty determining, go back to step 5. 12. Build a prototype that presents a realistic interface. The internals can still be simulated at this point. 13. Test, go back to previous steps if necessary. 14. Wire the interface to the machinery that the wizards have been working on (see step 3 and 5). 15. Test. 16. Fix bugs, goto 15. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 21:24:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA13668 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:24:57 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA13651 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:24:39 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA16597; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:23:21 +1100 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:23:21 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199511260523.QAA16597@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org, peter@taronga.com Subject: Re: machine reboot & kernel maxusers option Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>I really don't like the two dozen ``foo: not found at address ...'' >>messages for the installation kernel. >I like it. A lot. I hate systems that don't tell me what the hell they're >doing on boot-up (see also, Windows NT, SCO, Unixware). I like them too, but the message buffer isn't large enough for many more. Yesterday I tested 23 extended DOS partitions D: to Z: and the message buffer filled up with messages about strange partition data, overwriting more important messages. A message buffer in libdisk filled up and overwrote the stack. The kernel message buffer should be much larger until syslogd can be run. >How about at least an "options BOOTVERBOSE" for us belt-and-suspenders types? Note that the `bootverbose' flag is not a verbose booting flag; it is a verbose flag that is set at boot time and happens to be used more while booting. There should be a sysctl to control it after booting and some way to set the defaults for all boot-control values Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 21:33:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA14386 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:33:07 -0800 Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA14363 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:32:42 -0800 Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA12774; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:30:57 +1100 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199511260530.QAA12774@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Re: Argh, lost console :-( To: maral@webnet.com.au (Peter Marelas) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:30:56 +1100 (EST) Cc: jgreco@solaria.sol.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Marelas" at Nov 25, 95 05:06:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1101 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, Joe Greco wrote: > >> Frustrating: I just lost my *(#@&@#^*( console again. >> >> What happened: I put xdm as the last entry in /etc/rc.local on a 486DX/33 >> with 32MB RAM, Fahrenheit 1280 VGA card, running 2.0.5R. > >The README in XF86312 says to start xdm from a tty in /etc/ttys I always start it from /etc/rc.local (and haven't had any problems as a consequence). I have the following in /etc/rc.local: if [ -f /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -a -f /usr/local/etc/xdm/xdm-config ]; then echo -n ' xdm' # Delay to allow the fontserver to come up (sleep 5; /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -config /usr/local/etc/xdm/xdm-config)& fi >> After much poking and prodding at it with vidcontrol, I got it "sorta" back >> - I got a login: banner but only garbage when I typed. I was then able to >> run startx from remote - and everything worked (including kbd) - but when I >> exited, the keyboard was again in a sorry state. Perhaps running 'kbd_mode -u' will put it into the correct mode for X, and 'kbd_mode -a' for text mode? I've never needed to use this though. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 25 22:11:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA17028 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 22:11:23 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA17023 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 22:11:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09419; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 22:09:26 -0800 To: John Fieber cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thoughts on the install and on Red Hat Linux. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Nov 1995 23:26:24 EST." Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 22:09:26 -0800 Message-ID: <9417.817366166@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Just to keep focus on the ultimate purpose of the installation software, > making installation painless, or even fun, I offer this less technical > description of what is in order for the next great installation. I think > developing a slick new X install program is nifty, but meaningless if some > more basic installation issues are not addressed first. Hmmmmm. This sounds suspiciously like "design before implementation" or one of those other socialist granola-eating philosophies from the 60's at places like Berkeley & CWI. Jeeze, he'll start quoting Wirth next if we don't stop him! :-) Seriously, this sounds like a reasonable attempt to bring the techies back down to earth. Any human interface people care to jump in at this point and start suggesting how John's 16 step program might be implemented? I'm good at thinking up the implementation details, but not so good at the "story boarding" that John seems to be suggesting for this stage. Jordan