From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 7 07:04:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA28348 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.muc.ditec.de (gw.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28333 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gw.muc.ditec.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00264; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:04:37 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: gw.muc.ditec.de: nobody set sender to using -f Received: from tartufo.muc.ditec.de(134.98.18.2) by gw.muc.ditec.de via smap (V2.0alpha) id sma000262; Mon Oct 7 16:04:20 1996 Received: by tartufo.muc.ditec.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Mon, 7 Oct 96 16:06 MSZ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 96 16:06 MSZ From: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de (Michael Elbel) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any info on Hackerbrau? Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <3253330F.167EB0E7@wisetech.com> <28997.844318639@time.cdrom.com> Reply-To: me@gw.muc.ditec.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >[Repeat after me: "I shall not send -chat material to hackers!" :-)] >> Good question :) I know the monks live on stark bier (strong beer) >> through lent. (drank lots of it as well. Black, stuff floating in it, >True, though to my knowledge, at least, the Hacker-Pschorr company >never traditionally produced "Starkbier" (one word, not two) - they're >a big city brewery, catering more to the "Helles" drinkers, and the >monks tended to do their own brewing in places like Andechs, about >20km south of Munich and well worth a visit if you're a drinkin' man. Nah, there is Hacker-Pschorr Bock (Bock is the same as Starkbier). For further information look at www.paulaner.com - Hacker obviously is owned by Paulaner now. Michael -- Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 7 10:54:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14291 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14279; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21008; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:54:55 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA197040894; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:54:54 GMT Message-Id: <32594417.4EA8@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 11:55:35 -0600 From: Sean Kelly Organization: NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Childs Cc: phk@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "cute daemon alert"! References: <199610071714.CAA11615@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Childs wrote: > ./oneko -bsd -bg red & Or with -time 100000 > Definately in my .xsession :) I don't know if it's the cute-factor or what, but all of my female coworkers want their own little daemon (and cat, tiger, dog) running around on their desktops, too---but few of the male ones even tried it out. Hmmmmm. :-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 8 13:26:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22512 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22504 for chat; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199610082026.NAA22504@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Internet II is coming... (fwd) To: chat Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yakov Rekhter wrote: > From owner-nanog@merit.edu Tue Oct 8 10:17:44 1996 > fyi > - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From www.nytimes.com: > > October 7, 1996 > > University Internet Proposed > > By LAWRENCE M. FISHER > > A group of 34 research universities agreed last week > to create a new national network for higher > education, to be called Internet II, which will offer > higher speeds and more reliable service than the current > Internet. > > As described in the Oct. 11 issue of The Chronicle of > Higher Education, the new network is intended to deliver > the vastly higher speeds needed to allow the > simultaneous transmission of voice, video and data. > Internet II would give researchers the bandwidth they > need to enable distance learning, digital libraries and > on-line collaborative research. > > The organizers of Internet II say its advanced > capabilities will ultimately become available on the > existing Internet as commercial service providers find > ways to offer more bandwidth -- a bigger pipeline to > transmit a high volume of information -- at attractive > prices. The research universities have agreed to > establish and finance a new organization, with > membership fees to help create the network. They also > hope to get financing from telecommunications and > computer companies, as well as from the federal > government. > > "What we're trying to do is solve a whole bunch of > technical problems having to do with making the Internet > operate at a higher level of functionality," said > Michael Roberts, who has been working on the Internet II > proposal and is vice president of Educom, a consortium > of nearly 600 colleges and 100 companies that promote > computing in higher education. "What everybody needs is > something on the order of 10 times more bandwidth." > > According to The Chronicle of Higher Education, the > decision to move forward with the plan was made during a > meeting of campus technology officers in Chicago last > week. Computer science specialists from Pennsylvania > State and Stanford universities and the Universities of > California, Chicago, Michigan and North Carolina will > play leading roles in the network's development. > -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 8 18:39:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24568 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [206.169.44.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24560 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04876 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.6) id SAA17653 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: test@Lamb.net Message-Id: <199610090138.SAA17653@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Blah! To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The Babble On Project was the last, best hope for Terry Lambert. It failed. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 06:15:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA23661 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troll.uunet.ca (troll.uunet.ca [142.77.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23656 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by troll.uunet.ca with SMTP id <21007-2683>; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:15:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:15:21 -0400 From: Cat Okita To: "Brett L. Hawn" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Jim Shankland , jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ok, look folks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm redirecting this to freebsd-chat, but I agree with Jordan. Finding out who you're subscribed to a list as is pretty straightforward, especially with majordomo. If you've run majordomo before, you should know how to do this (anyone who's *ever* had to administrate a mailing list gets pretty used to that one :/) If you find that being an asshole is the best way of dealing with people, I'm very sorry. Cat On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Brett L. Hawn wrote: > I've run majordomo before, I hack sendmail here at the office, I think I > know what I'm doing. However WHENN I subscribed, I did so as blh@nol.net, > NOT blh@dazed.nol.net, so yes.. I got a little frustrated with the fact that > majordomo in its infinit crappiness, changed my subscribe address and made > it a nightmare to unsubscribe. I think you know very little about me, and > even less about what you're talking about. I was pleasant and nice for > almost 3 months before I got pissed off enough to yell at the list. I sent > email to majordomo-owner, root, admin, postmaster, and about a dozen other > addresses asking to be removed, nicely, it got me nowhere. You will now > however note, that I'm not on the list anymore, sometimes it just takes > being an asshole to get things done *shrug*. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 11:55:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21376 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21365 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rjivan@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00740; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:57:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:57:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Rajiv Jivan To: Brando Ng cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CD-ROM?? In-Reply-To: <325BE05D.2063@hkstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hmm.... seems like time for a processor upgrade. On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Brando Ng wrote: > my name is Brando Ng Chi Fai > my credit card no is 3763-304287-XXXXXX > and My address is : Flat E, 26/F, Nan King House, Tsuen Wan Centre, > Hong Kong. > and had been billed at 25 July 1996 in 28.95USD... > > Please Help! > > Best Regards! > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 16:04:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA16175 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16167; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA24133; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199610092304.QAA24133@time.cdrom.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! Cc: jfieber@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just 'cause I think they've done a neat job of it, I'd suggest that anyone who's seen WC's web pages in the past have a look again at http://www.cdrom.com. I'm pretty impressed, myself, and the nicer look can't help but sell more FreeBSD CDs. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 16:36:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18312 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18225; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12961; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610092333.RAA12961@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-Reply-To: <199610092304.QAA24133@time.cdrom.com> References: <199610092304.QAA24133@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Just 'cause I think they've done a neat job of it, I'd suggest that > anyone who's seen WC's web pages in the past have a look again > at http://www.cdrom.com. I'm pretty impressed, myself, and the nicer > look can't help but sell more FreeBSD CDs. :) Let's see, the graphics are nice, and it's easy to get around. What's missing is 'Whois WC' stuff, staff, job openings, etc... I find them a nice touch that gives a 'human' feel to the company. Also, there's no obvious way to see that WC is 'Powered by FreeBSD', which would be nice, plus the pointer to the hardware might be good, but maybe that's more relevant to ftp.cdrom.com. Also, FreeBSD is now a 2nd class citizen to Linux. Any chance of doing columns so that folks don't have to scroll down just to see the FreeBSD stuff? These are obviously FreeBSD specific comments, but being slightly biased I thought I'd throw them out. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 16:42:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18853 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18847; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199610092342.QAA18847@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610092304.QAA24133@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Oct 9, 96 04:04:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Just 'cause I think they've done a neat job of it, I'd suggest that > anyone who's seen WC's web pages in the past have a look again > at http://www.cdrom.com. I'm pretty impressed, myself, and the nicer > look can't help but sell more FreeBSD CDs. :) > no "powered by freebsd" logo ;( no description of the software/hardware configuration that i can find ;( jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 16:42:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18871 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18840; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06667; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:42:31 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA033504550; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:42:30 GMT Message-Id: <325C3897.5828@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:43:19 -0600 From: Sean Kelly Organization: NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! References: <199610092304.QAA24133@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Just 'cause I think they've done a neat job of it, I'd suggest that > anyone who's seen WC's web pages in the past have a look again > at http://www.cdrom.com. I'm pretty impressed, myself, and the nicer > look can't help but sell more FreeBSD CDs. :) Except that they insist on listing Linux in front of FreeBSD on catalogs, promotional materials, and now ... the revised web page. :-( Oh well ... at least they had CICA and FreeBSD on the cover of the latest catalog. :-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 16:48:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19375 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19366; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24428; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:48:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Nate Williams cc: chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:33:11 MDT." <199610092333.RAA12961@rocky.mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 16:48:25 -0700 Message-ID: <24426.844904905@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > These are obviously FreeBSD specific comments, but being slightly biased > I thought I'd throw them out. Thanks, I've passed them on to our web techs. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 17:15:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21654 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21649; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from r3cgm@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19734; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher G Mann Message-Id: <199610100014.RAA19734@pooh.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610092333.RAA12961@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Oct 9, 96 05:33:11 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Just 'cause I think they've done a neat job of it, I'd suggest that > > anyone who's seen WC's web pages in the past have a look again > > at http://www.cdrom.com. I'm pretty impressed, myself, and the nicer > > look can't help but sell more FreeBSD CDs. :) > > Let's see, the graphics are nice, and it's easy to get around. > Huh huh... das me! :) > What's missing is 'Whois WC' stuff, staff, job openings, etc... I find > them a nice touch that gives a 'human' feel to the company. > OK, I will systematically code scripts to automate generation of Walnut Creek CDROM staff pages, giving the pages a warm and wholesome "family" atmosphere. 8-) Seriously though, I'll see if I can get some pickies of people at the company. "Here's Jordan... click on the picture of his cat to see a LIVE VIDEO FEED from his Quickcam at home". > Also, there's no obvious way to see that WC is 'Powered by FreeBSD', > which would be nice, plus the pointer to the hardware might be good, but > maybe that's more relevant to ftp.cdrom.com. > Where is the suggested place to put this? > Also, FreeBSD is now a 2nd class citizen to Linux. Any chance of doing > columns so that folks don't have to scroll down just to see the FreeBSD > stuff? > Columns would create an inconsistent look with the other categories of CDROMs. Another alternative also creates a confusing look: Linux FreeBSD Linux Complete Reference Installing and Running FreeBSD Linux Toolkit FreeBSD Snapshot The ordering _does_ give equal priority to both Linux and FreeBSD though. :) -- Christopher G. Mann (Snowman) - r3cgm@cdrom.com Hornet Archive Maintainer - (ftp|www).cdrom.com/pub/demos From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 18:28:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27607 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br (root@cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.2.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27601; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA05112; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:27:53 -0200 (EDT) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199610100127.XAA05112@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! To: r3cgm@cdrom.com (Christopher G Mann) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:27:52 -0200 (EDT) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610100014.RAA19734@pooh.cdrom.com> from Christopher G Mann at "Oct 9, 96 05:14:34 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL14 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Christopher G Mann) // Another alternative also creates a confusing look: // // Linux // FreeBSD // Linux Complete Reference // Installing and Running FreeBSD // Linux Toolkit // FreeBSD Snapshot What about Alphabetical ordering ? It's surely fair... :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 9 19:13:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA00336 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00328; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13718; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610100212.UAA13718@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Christopher G Mann Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-Reply-To: <199610100014.RAA19734@pooh.cdrom.com> References: <199610092333.RAA12961@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199610100014.RAA19734@pooh.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What's missing is 'Whois WC' stuff, staff, job openings, etc... I find > > them a nice touch that gives a 'human' feel to the company. > > > OK, I will systematically code scripts to automate generation of > Walnut Creek CDROM staff pages, giving the pages a warm and wholesome > "family" atmosphere. 8-) Gotta have those 'family values'. *grin* > Seriously though, I'll see if I can get some pickies of people at the > company. "Here's Jordan... click on the picture of his cat to see a > LIVE VIDEO FEED from his Quickcam at home". Even a brief overview of WC would be nice. Something like "Walnut Creek is in beatiful downtown Concord, and has the title of the company with the largest # of cats/employee of any fortune 1000 company." > > Also, there's no obvious way to see that WC is 'Powered by FreeBSD', > > which would be nice, plus the pointer to the hardware might be good, but > > maybe that's more relevant to ftp.cdrom.com. > > > Where is the suggested place to put this? Bottom of the page? > > Also, FreeBSD is now a 2nd class citizen to Linux. Any chance of doing > > columns so that folks don't have to scroll down just to see the FreeBSD > > stuff? > > > Columns would create an inconsistent look with the other categories of CDROMs. > > Another alternative also creates a confusing look: > > Linux > FreeBSD > Linux Complete Reference > Installing and Running FreeBSD > Linux Toolkit > FreeBSD Snapshot > > The ordering _does_ give equal priority to both Linux and FreeBSD though. :) Hey, I just call 'em as I see 'em. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 10 16:46:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25972 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25966 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:46:48 -0700 (PDT) From: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01798; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19108; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610102348.TAA19108@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> X-Mailer: slnr v.2.13 as ported to FreeBSD To: wb2oyc@cyberenet.net cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: re: FreeBSD - Linux Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to -chat from -questions] In Email, wb2oyc@cyberenet.net wrote: > > Why not? Your comment makes me curious. All I'm saying is what I'm > seeing, on my machine, right in front of me. I'm glad you took the > time to respond, but I'm more than just a little curious as to why > you wondered "if this statement is worth responding to". I thought > this was the place to ask and comment, hoping to get some suggestions > for what may be at fault here. Maybe not. This is the place to ask questions and to get comments, however, if I recall your original message, it was not formulated in a manner that tried to elicit a response. I'm am not the person you were replying to, but I think that is what he was referring to when he said that "this statement [may not be] worth responding to". > Really? Not here. On exiting 'X' its nuts. Or is that the norm? No, of course not. Also be aware that your problem with ppp isn't the norm, either (actually, I think it's the first time of heard that problem). fvwm95 was written for Linux, and it's possible there are small porting snafoos that no one has noticed. > >Regarding minicom, I don't know and don't use it. > > Well, thats one I need, and depend on. The reason is quite simple. It Then either fix it to run better on FreeBSD, or continue to use Linux. No one will complain if you run Linux because a certain critical app (for you) is better-fitted for Linux. Just as no one complains when someone decides to use Win95 because they simply need some app that runs under Win95 and only under Win95 (and Win95 is many times more offensive than Linux!). > Simple as that. Yes, as simple as that. > The real truth is, Linux is good; very good. And you're not as far > ahead as you think you are. Not by a long shot. >From your perspective, for your specific needs. Just as for some people FreeBSD is a far better choice than Linux, it's possible that Linux is a far better choice than FreeBSD for you. I (and probably many others) are happy for you that you have found an OS which does the job you demand of it and is freely source-distributed. More power to you --- go use it. > I'll say it again. All I said was that these applications that work > flawlessly on Linux, work poorly or not at all, on FreeBSD. Period. Right, and let's keep it at that. I think the reason some people responded to your original message was what you seemed to write between the lines. What came across, to some people at least, was a message that `Linux is far ahead of FreeBSD'. Incidentally this is the very same message that can be read into the quote before this one. -- -- tIM...HOEk The opinions expressed above are mine, and if my employer shares them, that's his hard luck. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 11 03:42:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07312 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA07307; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vBf2S-000QnIC; Fri, 11 Oct 96 11:41 MET From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA29874; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:37:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199610111037.MAA29874@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: CT Magazine 11/96 - Unix For Free To: jhs@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:37:50 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <199610102312.AAA19539@vector.jhs.no_domain> from "Julian H. Stacey" at Oct 11, 96 00:12:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian H. Stacey writes: > > I don't know if > chat@de.freebsd.org exists, > but that's where this is sent, first off, if it bounces I'll try > de-bsd-announce@de.freebsd.org > > The German CT Magazine will next Thursday 17th October 1996 in edition 11/96 > (yes they're always early the German electronics/computer mags) > have a review article entitled Unix For Free, > it will include Linux, FreeBSD, SCO, GNU. > ( I know SCO is not free & they could have said HURD but didn't, > I don't know why, I'm just an intermittent magazine reader) SCO *is* free, unless you want to use it commercially. I have a copy of 3.2.5.0v2 on CD-ROM. Including exorbitant shipping rates, it cost me approximately $30, or the same as a FreeBSD CD-ROM. Check http://www3.sco.com/Company/Announce/p081996e.htm for further details. > They usually have a few articles on line, maybe this article will be one, > it helps to read German, but even if you can't you'll perhaps be able to > have a quick glance at the Op Sys release numbers, & any graphs & tables etc > & see if they're comparing like with like. > web page: http://www.heise.de > chief editor: cp@ct.heise.de > > I mentioned it now to give any German speaking readers a chance to > perhaps quickly contact Heise, & check facts, I recall Jordan saying once > that Heise were off target (I won't be contacting Heise myself, > I live in Germany but my written German grammar is poor ) Heise is a publishing house. They have several magazines, including iX (a UNIX magazine) and c't (more PC-based). I'm pretty sure that Jordan was referring to iX, and I can heartily agree that they are biassed and inaccurate. I used to write for iX, but I stopped because they kept insisting on changing my scripts to fit their view of reality. c't, on the other hand, is one of my favourite magazines, one of the exceptions to the rule that no there are no good computer magazines in Germany I'm very much looking forward to the report. Sure, there will probably be some inaccuracies, but I'm more inclined to think that we'll get a good view of ourselves from outside ("FreeBSD could be the best, but the poor support for ATAPI CD-ROMs pulled it down to the bottom position"). It's far too late for changing anything. They would have frozen the manuscripts about 14 to 20 days ago. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 11 16:51:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06429 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06422 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA13834; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199610112346.TAA13834@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: CT Magazine 11/96 - Unix For Free To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610111037.MAA29874@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Oct 11, 96 12:37:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > c't, on the other hand, is one of my favourite magazines, one of the > exceptions to the rule that no there are no good computer magazines in > Germany I'm very much looking forward to the report. > > Greg > Are there any good ones left in the US? I've gone back to Byte (since almost all the good hobby type hacker mags bit the dust here). Anything with PC in the title in the US isn't worth reading. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com This message brought to you by the letters VAX and the numbers 11 and 780. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 02:32:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA13955 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13949; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id LAA29444; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:15:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.gtn.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01824; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:06:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:06:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Greg Lehey cc: jhs@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: CT Magazine 11/96 - Unix For Free In-Reply-To: <199610111037.MAA29874@allegro.lemis.de> Message-ID: X-try-apsfilter: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz X-Fax: +49 2137 2018 X-Phone: +49 2137 2020 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > The German CT Magazine will next Thursday 17th October 1996 in edition 11/96 > > (yes they're always early the German electronics/computer mags) > > have a review article entitled Unix For Free, > > it will include Linux, FreeBSD, SCO, GNU. > > ( I know SCO is not free & they could have said HURD but didn't, > > I don't know why, I'm just an intermittent magazine reader) Who wrote the FreeBSD part ? __ andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 03:18:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15649 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 03:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA15642 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 03:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vC190-000QnHC; Sat, 12 Oct 96 11:18 MET From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA00761; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:48:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199610120948.LAA00761@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: CT Magazine 11/96 - Unix For Free To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:48:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat), chat@de.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Oct 12, 96 11:06:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm writes: > > On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> The German CT Magazine will next Thursday 17th October 1996 in edition 11/96 >>> (yes they're always early the German electronics/computer mags) >>> have a review article entitled Unix For Free, >>> it will include Linux, FreeBSD, SCO, GNU. >>> ( I know SCO is not free & they could have said HURD but didn't, >>> I don't know why, I'm just an intermittent magazine reader) > > Who wrote the FreeBSD part ? Good question. Why don't you ask Uli Schmitz? For the benefit of the others, Andreas has just co-authored an article on PGP in mail, published in the September 1996 iX. Uli Schmitz is the iX editor responsible for the article. It looks interesting, but I haven't got round to reading it yet. Andreas, did you enjoy the experience? BTW, Julian sent his original message to chat@de.freebsd.org, not chat@freebsd.org. I was mislead by the fact that the message was in English, so I sent my message to chat@freebsd.org. I'd suggest we follow up to chat@de.freebsd.org only, unless somebody has other ideas. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 08:46:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06219 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 08:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06210 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id RAA19247; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:30:29 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA10271; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:25:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610121525.RAA10271@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:25:43 +0200 From: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat), chat@de.freebsd.org Subject: Re: CT Magazine 11/96 - Unix For Free In-Reply-To: <199610120948.LAA00761@allegro.lemis.de>; from Greg Lehey on Oct 12, 1996 11:48:31 +0200 References: <199610120948.LAA00761@allegro.lemis.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=dbivs6P070AuJPlE Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --dbivs6P070AuJPlE Greg Lehey writes: > Andreas Klemm writes: > > Who wrote the FreeBSD part ? > Good question. Why don't you ask Uli Schmitz? Well I thought you or another one knew it. I couldn't read the whole thread, because I subscribed to this list a short time ago. > For the benefit of the others, Andreas has just co-authored an article > on PGP in mail, published in the September 1996 iX. Uli Schmitz is > the iX editor responsible for the article. It looks interesting, but > I haven't got round to reading it yet. Andreas, did you enjoy the > experience? Well, I know iX being Linux biased in the past ... don't know, if they changed their minds. I think the main problem is, that most of their "PD-Unix readers" are in the Linux camp ... so figure out what they write about as the only truth... Main argument in the past (about 2 years ago, the time around/before 4.4lite) was the simple statement, that in BSD there has happend nothing new ... "it is as it is" ... so what to write about it ... But to justice an operating system, about how "colorful" it is or whatever ... *sigh* Let's see, how the article in iX is. > BTW, Julian sent his original message to chat@de.freebsd.org, not > chat@freebsd.org. I was mislead by the fact that the message was in > English, so I sent my message to chat@freebsd.org. I'd suggest we > follow up to chat@de.freebsd.org only, unless somebody has other > ideas. Let's see if I can change the Cc: line in mutt ... I'm just trying Michael Eltkins mutt mailer ... looks like elm, but I'm still not really familiar with it ;-) Andreas /// -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< --dbivs6P070AuJPlE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBMl+4dfMLpmkD/U+FAQFipAP7BFBPoNRR5SHNODi4CTI78PTO9P8qGvKp ojF51o086uiqzuAcAjg1ul7HykzB1UQ9TRz1w7G67G70H8GP5lZDvuTk/4fjk9Bz udNtNJ845N1Cg8s/u+6dhMhMLDC36ro9+MM6Xw3lZYobHAGCAdGYE8lhcPZu6jm8 rIWTlOu+bVo= =7rUG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dbivs6P070AuJPlE-- From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 14:24:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01407 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bbs.mpcs.com (hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com [204.215.226.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01399 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hgoldste@localhost) by bbs.mpcs.com (8.8.0/8.8.0/MPCS) id RAA08209; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:24:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:24:02 -0400 From: Howard Goldstein Message-Id: <199610122124.RAA08209@bbs.mpcs.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-Reply-To: <199610100014.RAA19734@pooh.cdrom.com> Reply-To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199610100014.RAA19734@pooh.cdrom.com>, you wrote: : Columns would create an inconsistent look with the other categories of CDROMs. : : Another alternative also creates a confusing look: : : Linux : FreeBSD : Linux Complete Reference : Installing and Running FreeBSD : Linux Toolkit : FreeBSD Snapshot Agreed, that would present a confusing look. How about this ordering: FreeBSD FreeBSD Snapshot Installing and Running FreeBSD Linux Linux Complete Reference Linux Toolkit That's a bit less confusing with the bonus of alphabetization for the anally retentive amongst us :-) -- Howard Goldstein From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 14:39:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02162 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hamby1.lightside.net (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02148 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jehamby@localhost) by hamby1.lightside.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16094; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hamby1.lightside.net: jehamby owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@hamby1.lightside.net To: Howard Goldstein cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-Reply-To: <199610122124.RAA08209@bbs.mpcs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Oct 1996, Howard Goldstein wrote: > Agreed, that would present a confusing look. How about this ordering: > > FreeBSD > FreeBSD Snapshot > Installing and Running FreeBSD > Linux > Linux Complete Reference > Linux Toolkit > > > That's a bit less confusing with the bonus of alphabetization for the anally > retentive amongst us :-) I vote for this ordering too! Walnut Creek should be emphasizing FreeBSD anyway, because: 1) Walnut Creek uses FreeBSD for their own Web/FTP servers 2) Walnut Creek is the primary distributor of FreeBSD 3) There are other, more popular distributions of Linux than what Walnut Creek sells But to be fair, maybe there should be two links: FreeBSD Linux Each one could point to a separate page discussing the resources available for that operating system. > -- > Howard Goldstein -- Jake Hamby From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 17:37:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16991 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16980 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00646; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610130037.RAA00646@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Jake Hamby cc: Howard Goldstein , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:42:26 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:37:25 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Jake Hamby : > On Sat, 12 Oct 1996, Howard Goldstein wrote: > > > Agreed, that would present a confusing look. How about this ordering: > > > > FreeBSD > > FreeBSD Snapshot > > Installing and Running FreeBSD > > Linux > > Linux Complete Reference > > Linux Toolkit > > > > > > That's a bit less confusing with the bonus of alphabetization for the anall y > > retentive amongst us :-) > > I vote for this ordering too! Walnut Creek should be emphasizing FreeBSD > anyway, because: > > 1) Walnut Creek uses FreeBSD for their own Web/FTP servers > 2) Walnut Creek is the primary distributor of FreeBSD > 3) There are other, more popular distributions of Linux than what Walnut > Creek sells > > But to be fair, maybe there should be two links: > > FreeBSD > Linux > > Each one could point to a separate page discussing the resources available > for that operating system. > > > -- > > Howard Goldstein > > -- > Jake Hamby > Well to be completly fair the listing should be like: FreeBSD FreeBSD Snapshot Installing and Running FreeBSD linux linux should be in a tiny font size -- the smaller the better 8) Is just that when Linux is mentioned first it may give the impression that Walnut Creek is running Linux and I can easily see "wild crazed linux fanatics" claiming that walnut creek main ftp and web server is running linux. "Get FreeBSD right here. The OS which allows 1001 connections to this WebSite" Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 18:01:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18679 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18671 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26170; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:00:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Jake Hamby , Howard Goldstein , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Oct 1996 17:37:25 PDT." <199610130037.RAA00646@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:00:54 -0700 Message-ID: <26163.845168454@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > that Walnut Creek is running Linux and I can easily see "wild crazed > linux fanatics" claiming that walnut creek main ftp and web server > is running linux. They'd have a hard time convincing any but the blind.. :-) jkh@time-> ncftp ftp.cdrom.com Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. Welcome to wcarchive - home ftp site for Walnut Creek CDROM. There are currently 857 users out of 1200 possible. Most of the files in this area are also available on CDROM. You can send email to (or finger) info@cdrom.com for more information or to order. For tech support about our products, please email support@cdrom.com. You may also call our toll-free number: 1-800-786-9907 or +1-510-674-0783. Orders are taken 24 hours. * * * Help Wanted -- see the file ``jobs'' in the root directory. * * * This machine is a 150Mhz P6 with 512MB of memory & 72GB of disk online. The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of FreeBSD, see the pub/FreeBSD directory, visit http://www.freebsd.org or mail to info@FreeBSD.org for more information. FreeBSD on CDROM can be ordered using the WEB at http://www.cdrom.com/titles/freebsd.html or by sending email to orders@cdrom.com. Wcarchive now has a 100Mbps connection (via multiple T3s) to the Internet! Please send mail to ftp-bugs@ftp.cdrom.com if you experience any problems! Please read the file README it was last modified on Mon Mar 25 20:51:20 1996 - 201 days ago Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. Logged into wcarchive.cdrom.com. > "Get FreeBSD right here. The OS which allows 1001 connections to this WebSite 1200! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 18:28:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA20867 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20861 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00314; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610130128.SAA00314@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Jake Hamby , Howard Goldstein , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:00:54 PDT." <26163.845168454@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:28:34 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > that Walnut Creek is running Linux and I can easily see "wild crazed > > linux fanatics" claiming that walnut creek main ftp and web server > > is running linux. > > They'd have a hard time convincing any but the blind.. :-) > > jkh@time-> ncftp ftp.cdrom.com > Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. > Welcome to wcarchive - home ftp site for Walnut Creek CDROM. > There are currently 857 users out of 1200 possible. > > Most of the files in this area are also available on CDROM. You can send > email to (or finger) info@cdrom.com for more information or to order. For > tech support about our products, please email support@cdrom.com. You may > also call our toll-free number: 1-800-786-9907 or +1-510-674-0783. Orders > are taken 24 hours. > > * * * Help Wanted -- see the file ``jobs'' in the root directory. * * * > > This machine is a 150Mhz P6 with 512MB of memory & 72GB of disk online. > The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of > FreeBSD, see the pub/FreeBSD directory, visit http://www.freebsd.org or > mail to info@FreeBSD.org for more information. FreeBSD on CDROM can be > ordered using the WEB at http://www.cdrom.com/titles/freebsd.html or by > sending email to orders@cdrom.com. > > Wcarchive now has a 100Mbps connection (via multiple T3s) to the Internet! > > Please send mail to ftp-bugs@ftp.cdrom.com if you experience any problems! > > Please read the file README > it was last modified on Mon Mar 25 20:51:20 1996 - 201 days ago > Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. > Logged into wcarchive.cdrom.com. > > > "Get FreeBSD right here. The OS which allows 1001 connections to this WebSi te > > 1200! :-) > > Jordan Amen Brother, All ya' go to do is preach right on their face --- I mean on the main Web Page. ftp is okay however when I access the Web -- I mean their website -- is not clear what they are running. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 18:35:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21341 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21336 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA03133; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:35:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Jake Hamby , Howard Goldstein , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:28:34 PDT." <199610130128.SAA00314@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3129.845170538@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ftp is okay however when I access the Web -- I mean their website -- is not > clear what they are running. Ah, now THAT we can fix... Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 18:42:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21735 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21728 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01381; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610130142.SAA01381@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Jake Hamby , Howard Goldstein , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:35:38 PDT." <3129.845170538@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:42:01 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > ftp is okay however when I access the Web -- I mean their website -- is not > > clear what they are running. > > Ah, now THAT we can fix... > > Jordan Please if you can have also a connection count people *will* notice . current live connections: 1200 8) Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 12 22:01:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05164 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05158 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA26076; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 23:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 23:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610130501.XAA26076@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Amancio Hasty , Jake Hamby , Howard Goldstein , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CDROM has a new look! In-Reply-To: <26163.845168454@time.cdrom.com> References: <199610130037.RAA00646@rah.star-gate.com> <26163.845168454@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > that Walnut Creek is running Linux and I can easily see "wild crazed > > linux fanatics" claiming that walnut creek main ftp and web server > > is running linux. > > They'd have a hard time convincing any but the blind.. :-) > > jkh@time-> ncftp ftp.cdrom.com ... True, but you don't need to use ftp to download stuff anymore. And, since the WWW site makes it much easier to download, it will become (if it already isn't) the preferred method for downloading files for the 'average joe'. There is no mention of FreeBSD's use if you use the WWW site. Nate