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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
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From: Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>
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Hello, my name is Kazu. I have been working on the `psm' driver and
recently wrote the `kbdio' module to provide a set of common I/O
routines to be used both with the `syscons' and `psm' drivers. I
suggested to S'ren Schmidt and Nate Williams that we start with these
routines and improve them.
To this end I need reports and comments, and found yours variable.
Please note these routines currently does NOT do queuing (as Nate
Williams suggested) or check `ipending' (as you have suggested). It
doesn't mean these ideas have been rejected or found infeasible; it
simply means they haven't been tried, just yet.
>Some of the flags and flags testing seem to be wrong:
>
>1. KBD_DISABLE_AUX_PORT 0x20
>
>According to Van Gilluwe, on ISA/EISA keyboards setting this gives:
>"Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan code conversion" [not the default].
>This is now used. It seems to be harmless. It was also used in pccons.
>It is still defined in /sys/i386/isa/ic/i8042.h (which is where all the
>i8042-specific defines should always have been) as
>
> KC8_OLDPC 0x20 /* old 9bit codes instead of new 11bit */
I have a copy of:
Van Gilluwe, "The Undocumented PC", Addison-Wesley, 1994.
According to his book, the bit 5 and 1 of the keyboard command byte
are related to the PS/2 mouse but are treated differently for the
ISA/EISA systems and the MCA systems (p.304-305):
ISA/EISA
bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is
normal operation).
1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion.
bit 1 Unused, set to 0.
MCA
bit 5 0 Enable mouse.
1 Disable mouse by forcing the mouse serial clock line low.
Data cannot be sent to or received from the mouse.
bit 1 0 Do not send interrupt when mouse output buffer full.
1 Mouse output buffer full causes interrupt (IRQ 12).
Now, the question is which speicification modern non-MCA mother boards
follow and we should honor.
MBs with the PS/2 mouse port I own all seem to follow the later
specification. Another, relatively recent MB also has no problem
setting/clearing these bits even though it has no mouse port. I also
tested an old 386 MB without the mouse port and found no problem.
These experiences led me to believe that it's OK to manipulate these
bits if a PS/2 mouse exists in the system, and is *probably* safe too
with old MBs and MBs without the mouse port if they are touched
sparingly.
So, I use these bits to enable/disable mouse port and interrupt, but
they are so manipulated only 1) when the keyboard is being probed, 2)
when the mouse is being probed and reset, 3) when the mouse device is
opened or closed after a mouse is found.
During the keyboard probe (`scprobe()'), these bits are touched to
disable the mouse, but they are restored to the state as it was when
`scprobe()' was called.
During the mouse probe (`psmprobe()'), these bits are touched to
disable mouse interrupt, and will be manipulated thereafter only if a
mouse is found (in `psmopen()' and `psmclose()'). If no mouse is
found, these bits are restored to the state as it was when
`psmprobe()' was called.
>2. KC8_IGNSEC 0x08 /* ignore security lock */ [in i8042.h]
>
>This silently went away. Now syscons honors the security lock switch like
>most drivers. The PROBE_KEYBOARD_LOCK feature in the bootstrap works
>better with old buggy behaviour.
Oh, I didn't know the keyboard lock switch should be ignored.
The bit should be set then...
>3. KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002
>aka KBS_IBF 0x02
>
>According to Van Gilluwe and all other docs and drivers that I've seen,
>this bit is for "The motherboard controller's input buffer is full ...
>no writes should occur to ports 60h or 64h or the data/command will be
>lost". It has nothing to do with the controller's output buffer (i.e.,
>scancodes for the driver to read).
No, it has nothing to do with the output buffer. I wrote the I/O
routines to test this bit to avoid writing to the keyboard controller
while this bit is on. Isn't this the right action to take? If you
think the name "KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY" is inappropriate or misleading,
we shall change the name. After all, English is not my native tongue, I
am not good at naming.
>This bit is spun on for up to 100
>msec in wait_while_controller_busy() which is (incorrectly) called from
>read_kbd_data_no_wait(). Not good for a no-wait routine in an interrupt
>handler.
You are right!! `wait_while_controller_busy()' is called from
`read_controller_data()',`read_kbd_data()',`read_kbd_data_no_wait()',
and `read_aux_data()', and this is useless. Should be removed.
>Calling it a "busy" bit encourages this error.
Ok, let's change the name.
>The wait_until_controller_is_really_idle() function seems to be unusable.
>E.g., when it use used for a LED update,, interrupts are disabled, so it
>is guaranteed to spin if a scancode arrives. The LED update will succeed
>after a delay of a couple of hundred msec because it ignores the return
>code.
>
>The empty_*_buffer*() functions are broken. They miss scancodes that
>arrive a microsecond after the test and are almost certain to miss
>all but the first of a bunch of scancodes - the controller is unlikely
>to be able to deliver another scancode on the 0-20 usec delay time,
>especially if the keyboard is a few msec away from sending it! See
>pcvt_kbd.c for a working version (which is unsuitable for general use
>because of the lengthy spinloop).
Well, these points are tricky parts. We certainly don't want mouse
data gets in our way when programming the keyboard, and keyboard data
gets in our way when programming the mouse too. In addition, we
sometimes want the keyboard and/or mouse data is drained so that the
next byte in the controller's output buffer is definitely the responce
to a command. I will look at `pcvt_kbd.c' and think what I can do...
>write_kbd_command() ignores the return code from
>wait_until_controller_is_really_idle(). Apart from the buggy interface
>(see above), this is critical for issueing the reset command - it is
>possible for the keyboard to hang and resetting it fixes it. I think
>the return code should not be ignored for other commands - the keyboard
>should be reset and reinitialized in this case.
You certainly have a point. Sloppy programming on my part.
>The 7us delays that are said to be necessary for MCA keyboards aren't
>there.
I will put the delay before any read from the data port (60h).
I will contact S'ren Schmidt and Nate Williams to discuss your points.
Kazu
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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:10:31 +0100 (MET)
From: "Soren Schmidt" <sos@ravenock.cybercity.dk>
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In reply to Bruce Evans who wrote:
>
>
> >UserConfig is now broken in current. It may have to do withe the recent
> >syscons changes, but in any case nothing happens at the "config>" prompt
> >when I type anymore. The sources are from early this morning, so it's
> >probably a fairly recent change.
>
> This is (at least) because sc_port is not initialized until scprobe()
> is called much later. There is no keyboard at port 0.
>
> I don't like the new keyboard driver much. It's has too many features,
> and too many spinloops.
[Lengthy description deleted]
Bruce, if you spent as much time (re)coding, as you do analysing and
describing others code, I think we all would be better off. This is
NOT the way to encourage a new contributor. The code might not be
perfect, but it is a step in the right direction. Now that you have
described how bad it is, and have the right ways in fresh memory, I
look forward to your perfect implementation in the next couble of days :)
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Subject: Syscons Paste
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Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind)
for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and
minimize hand moving?
Really, mouse _not_ needed for Paste, only for Cut...
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According to ?????????????:
> Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind)
> for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and
> minimize hand moving?
...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle
button, where everyone expect it to be...
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In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote:
>
> According to ?????????????:
> > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind)
> > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and
> > minimize hand moving?
>
> ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle
> button, where everyone expect it to be...
It allready is, both the middle and right button pastes...
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>Bruce, if you spent as much time (re)coding, as you do analysing and
>describing others code, I think we all would be better off. This is
>NOT the way to encourage a new contributor. The code might not be
I don't think so. Rewriting people's code is more likely to annoy
them than reviewing it.
Bruce
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>Please note these routines currently does NOT do queuing (as Nate
>Williams suggested) or check `ipending' (as you have suggested). It
>doesn't mean these ideas have been rejected or found infeasible; it
>simply means they haven't been tried, just yet.
OK. Queueing will take a fair amount of work to get right.
The `ipending' hack isn't necessary now that the driver knows how to
distinguish keyboard scancodes from mouse scancodes.
>According to his book, the bit 5 and 1 of the keyboard command byte
>are related to the PS/2 mouse but are treated differently for the
>ISA/EISA systems and the MCA systems (p.304-305):
>
>ISA/EISA
>bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is
> normal operation).
> 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion.
>...
>Now, the question is which speicification modern non-MCA mother boards
>follow and we should honor.
>
>MBs with the PS/2 mouse port I own all seem to follow the later
>specification. Another, relatively recent MB also has no problem
>setting/clearing these bits even though it has no mouse port. I also
>tested an old 386 MB without the mouse port and found no problem.
I think I know what bit 5 does: setting it makes XT keyboards work. XT
keyboards send scancodes that don't need any conversion (see Van Gilluwe).
However, I couldn't get this to work in practice for an old keyboard with
an XT/AT switch. Neither the BIOS nor standard syscons nor syscons
tweaked to set the bit can see the keyboard in XT mode, and the tweaked
syscons can see the keyboard in AT mode. Perhaps my keyboard controller
is MCA compatible.
>During the keyboard probe (`scprobe()'), these bits are touched to
>disable the mouse, but they are restored to the state as it was when
>`scprobe()' was called.
>
>During the mouse probe (`psmprobe()'), these bits are touched to
>disable mouse interrupt, and will be manipulated thereafter only if a
>mouse is found (in `psmopen()' and `psmclose()'). If no mouse is
>found, these bits are restored to the state as it was when
>`psmprobe()' was called.
Yes, this is OK.
scprobe() was hard to debug with the keyboard turned off :-]. I usually
use a serial console to debug keyboard drivers, but I want all console
code to be as reentrant as possible. sccngetc() breaks after scprobe()
disables the keyboard. I also tried `n' in ddb after stopping at a
breakpoint at scprobe(). This took about 1 million instructions and
a long time to return. Perhaps the polling routines were confused by
the scancode for the key release after `n'.
I noticed some unnecessary function calls in scprobe():
- empty_both_buffers() isn't necessary. reset_kbd() does it better.
- wait_while_controller_busy() isn't necessary.
send_kbd_command_and_data() should have already read all the response
codes, and there will be a wait before sending the next command anyway.
>>2. KC8_IGNSEC 0x08 /* ignore security lock */ [in i8042.h]
>>
>>This silently went away. Now syscons honors the security lock switch like
>>most drivers. The PROBE_KEYBOARD_LOCK feature in the bootstrap works
>>better with old buggy behaviour.
>
>Oh, I didn't know the keyboard lock switch should be ignored.
>The bit should be set then...
I think it should not be ignored. The change should just be kept in mind
in case anyone cares. Now that the command byte is mostly preserved, the
BIOS default is preserved.
>>3. KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002
>>aka KBS_IBF 0x02
>
>No, it has nothing to do with the output buffer. I wrote the I/O
>routines to test this bit to avoid writing to the keyboard controller
>while this bit is on. Isn't this the right action to take? If you
Yes.
>think the name "KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY" is inappropriate or misleading,
>we shall change the name. After all, English is not my native tongue, I
>am not good at naming.
I would put INPUT_BUFFER or IB in its name somewhere, and OUTPUT or `O'
in the names of the other buffers. This makes the names too long :-).
I would probably use:
KBS_OBF (1) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] [any] Output Buffer Full */
KBS_IBF (2) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] Input Buffer Full */
KBS_OBF_AUX (0x20) /* KBS_OBF for Aux port */
I prefer not to OR bits together in #defines.
>>The empty_*_buffer*() functions are broken. They miss scancodes that
>>arrive a microsecond after the test and are almost certain to miss
>>all but the first of a bunch of scancodes - the controller is unlikely
>>to be able to deliver another scancode on the 0-20 usec delay time,
>>especially if the keyboard is a few msec away from sending it! See
>>pcvt_kbd.c for a working version (which is unsuitable for general use
>>because of the lengthy spinloop).
>
>Well, these points are tricky parts. We certainly don't want mouse
>data gets in our way when programming the keyboard, and keyboard data
>gets in our way when programming the mouse too. In addition, we
>sometimes want the keyboard and/or mouse data is drained so that the
>next byte in the controller's output buffer is definitely the responce
>to a command. I will look at `pcvt_kbd.c' and think what I can do...
It should work to drain for 10-20msec and then ignore unexpected scancodes.
I think draining was originally introduced because the driver (pccons in
386BSD) didn't ignore unexpected scancodes. Draining also gets rid of
stale response codes. After draining once there should be no more stale
response codes provided you wait long enough for the new commands.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Syscons Paste
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From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" (Andrey A. Chernov) <ache@nagual.ru>
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> In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote:
> >
> > According to ?????????????:
> > > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind)
> > > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and
> > > minimize hand moving?
> >
> > ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle
> > button, where everyone expect it to be...
>
> It allready is, both the middle and right button pastes...
BTW, what do you think about original question?
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In reply to لخؤزإت_إزخد× who wrote:
>
> [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> > In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote:
> > >
> > > According to ?????????????:
> > > > Soren, could you please implement configurable key (I keep Shift+Ins in mind)
> > > > for syscons Paste function to be compatible with the rest of world and
> > > > minimize hand moving?
> > >
> > > ...and a configurable option to put the paste function on the middle
> > > button, where everyone expect it to be...
> >
> > It allready is, both the middle and right button pastes...
>
> BTW, what do you think about original question?
I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them
to the keymaps...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Sّren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team
Even more code to hack -- will it ever end
..
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>Like it says....
>...
>This PCTS and its associated documents are available for download via the URL:
> http://www.itl.nist.gov/div897/ctg/posix_form.htm
Most of the tests fail under FreeBSD due to bugs in the tests and good
error checking in FreeBSD. The behaviour of va_arg(ap, type) is undefined
if `type' is not compatible with the type of the actual next argument (as
promoted according to the default promotions). The tests are careful to
avoid this problem in some cases but not all.
After fixing this I get 1735 PASSes and only 87 FAILures for a kernel
that already has some POSIX bugs fixed.
Bruce
*** sv_expect.c~ Tue Jun 15 02:47:45 1993
--- sv_expect.c Mon Nov 18 04:33:37 1996
***************
*** 44,48 ****
sv_svalu(sv_xenv); /* set valu flag */
va_start(ap, format);
! c_saved = va_arg(ap, char);
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
--- 44,48 ----
sv_svalu(sv_xenv); /* set valu flag */
va_start(ap, format);
! c_saved = (char)va_arg(ap, int);
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
***************
*** 63,67 ****
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
! us_saved = va_arg(ap, unsigned short);
/*Lint will not complain of ptr. alignment problems after this point*/
va_end(ap);
--- 63,70 ----
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
! if(sizeof(unsigned short) < sizeof(int))
! us_saved = (unsigned short)va_arg(ap, int);
! else
! us_saved = va_arg(ap, unsigned short);
/*Lint will not complain of ptr. alignment problems after this point*/
va_end(ap);
***************
*** 71,74 ****
--- 74,81 ----
va_start(ap, format);
if(sizeof(pid_t) < sizeof(int))
+ /*
+ * XXX can pid_t be float? Then this is wrong.
+ * Similarly elsewhere.
+ */
pid_t_saved = (pid_t)va_arg(ap, int);
else
***************
*** 88,94 ****
--- 95,103 ----
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
+ /* XXX wrong, clock_t may be smaller than int. */
clk_t_saved = va_arg(ap, clock_t);
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
+ /* XXX wrong, off_t may be smaller than int. */
off_t_saved = va_arg(ap, off_t);
va_end(ap);
***************
*** 112,115 ****
--- 121,125 ----
va_end(ap);
va_start(ap, format);
+ /* XXX wrong, time_t may be smaller than int. */
time_t_saved = va_arg(ap, time_t);
va_end(ap);
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Subject: Re: Syscons Paste
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To: sos@freebsd.org
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:08:37 +0300 (MSK)
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From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" (Andrey A. Chernov) <ache@nagual.ru>
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> I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them
> to the keymaps...
Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied,
only Paste is neccesssary...
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Andreas Klemm wrote:
>
> I think MAKEDEV isn't prepared yet, to use the super scsi device.
>
> The scsi man page says,
>
> The -p option can be used against the "super scsi" device /dev/scsi/super
> to probe all devices with a given SCSI lun on a given SCSI bus. The bus
> can be selected with the -b option and the default is 0. The lun can be
> selected with the -l option and the default is 0. See scsi(4) for a de-
> scription of the "super scsi" device.
you can use it against ANY scsi device
particularly the 'control device' for a scsi device..
the superscsi device really only exists in theory at this stage..
thre is code
but it requires playing with..
>
> So it should be possible for me, to re-probe for a tape device
> after reboot, if I forgot to power on the tape.
>
> But what devices are all needed for this super scsi feature.
> Only /dev/scsi/super ? Which major minor numbers ?
>
> Thanks for any advice. BTW, this should definitively go into 2.2,
> if MAKEDEV would be fixed ...
>
> Andreas ///
>
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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
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In message <199611171503.CAA20387@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Bruce Evans writes:
: >Bruce, if you spent as much time (re)coding, as you do analysing and
: >describing others code, I think we all would be better off. This is
: >NOT the way to encourage a new contributor. The code might not be
:
: I don't think so. Rewriting people's code is more likely to annoy
: them than reviewing it.
Personally speaking of course, I happen to like Bruce's review of any
code that I check in. It has helped me learn things about the usual
way around here in a very non-threatening sort of way. I generally
don't like to get my code reviewed because most of my code reviews
have been an "us vs them" experience, so I was pleasantly surprised
that the checkins I made that he reviewed I reacted as well to the
review as I did. It helped make the code better, and helped to make
me more able to checking BSD-style code in the future.
Anyway, that's just me and my world view. Others are welcome to
disagree.
Warner
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J Wunsch wrote:
>
> As Philippe Charnier wrote:
>
> > If I let him boot, it tries 1:sd(1,a)/kernel and fails at
> > `change root to sd1a'. Entering 1:sd(0,a)/kernel is ok.
> >
> > How can I do this in the kernel config file?
>
> You can't. You must do it in the bootblocks.
>
> I think there's something from Julian around that would let you store
> such a change automatically in the bootblock, but offhand i don't
> remember any pointers to documentation for it.
>
IF you have sliced your disk with a normal BIOS partition table (fdisk)
then you can replace the bootblocks with a set compiled with the
NAMEBLOCK (I think that was it) option
and then use the 'nextboot(8)' program to set the default
string..
if you used the "dangerously dedicated" option it won't work, because
it stores the string(s) in block 1 but if block 1 is part of a slice,
it refuses to rewrite it (sensibly).
We use it in production, though we use a version of boot.c that is
checked in under the tag "JULIAN_HACK"
I'd like to get that version reconciled with the version bruce
reworked.
julian
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I am not able to compile in the kernel the Sound Blaster (16) support anymore.
Is there any changes to do ? It seems that from the source tree are missing
some files...
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To: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>
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>I think MAKEDEV isn't prepared yet, to use the super scsi device.
I think that our SCSI code is ill prepared for you to use the super
scsi device in the way that you wish. Doing bus reprobes right now
can be extrememly dangerous in the current implementation. Save yourself
the grief... it will be made to work correctly soon.
> Andreas ///
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I think I saw patches for adaptek 2940AU probe already but has anyone tried
it yet for any serious use, any problems ?
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Heikki Suonsivu wrote:
>
> I think I saw patches for adaptek 2940AU probe already but has anyone tried
> it yet for any serious use, any problems ?
We are using it on a couple of machines at work, and it works like a dream
(2.2-a, 2.1.5+ and 3.0+)
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From: mickey@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel)
Subject: Someone working on ISA PnP support?
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Hi!
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Is currently someone working on ISA PnP support for -current?
Is there an interest for such functionality?
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Is there a driver for the AHA2920 Adaptec card, PCI bus?
For FreeBSD 2.1.5?
Or can I use an other driver to compile in the kernel?
T.I.A
Arjan
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To: Heikki Suonsivu <hsu@clinet.fi>
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>I think I saw patches for adaptek 2940AU probe already but has anyone tried
>it yet for any serious use, any problems ?
It is fully supported, but it is not the card that I would put in a server.
It only has 3 SCBs as compared to the 16 of the real 2940 and with paging,
you can only have 8 outstanding transactions as compared to the 255.
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>Is there a driver for the AHA2920 Adaptec card, PCI bus?
>For FreeBSD 2.1.5?
>Or can I use an other driver to compile in the kernel?
>
>T.I.A
>Arjan
No, there is not.
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Is it current boot from cdrom ?
if not,whythere is a directory in cdrom directory when i make release
if yes,how to do ?
thanks.....
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On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Peter Childs wrote:
> In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.961116192459.453B-100000@fools> you wrote:
>
> : I have been following -current for awhile now with few problems
> : that I could not fix. Then this strange bug comes along, pidentd 2.7.2
> : comiled out of ports-current simpy does not work. This is the error
> : message it generates.
>
> : Nov 16 19:17:31 fools identd[437]: getbuf: bad address (00000000 not in
> : f0100000 -0xFFC00000) - ofile
>
> : I'm guessing its because its looking for something in the kernel thats
> : changed positions in -current, if any would could help I would appreciate it.
>
>
> trying remaking/installing libkvm and/or libps, then building
> again... also cd /usr/src/include and do a make all...
>
> Peter
>
Just did this and it still did not work, and generated the excact same
error message. Any other ideas?
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Hello.
Wich Release will contain SMP?
Thanks for the answer
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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
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> MCA
> bit 5 0 Enable mouse.
> 1 Disable mouse by forcing the mouse serial clock line low.
> Data cannot be sent to or received from the mouse.
> bit 1 0 Do not send interrupt when mouse output buffer full.
> 1 Mouse output buffer full causes interrupt (IRQ 12).
>
> Now, the question is which speicification modern non-MCA mother boards
> follow and we should honor.
They honor the PS/2 specification.
Specifically, the Windows 95 DDK Keyb/Samples/vkd/vad.asm, they make calls
to VM_Int. Disassembly of the target address in VMM.VXD shows that
they treat bits 5 and 1 as you suggest.
An interesting side note: A PNP Win95 box will *bogusly* assign INT
12 to other devices, in conflict with the PS/2 mouse. It seems that
they don't see the mouse during the boot cycle. The FreeBSD PNP
code should take the mouse into account.
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> >ISA/EISA
> >bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is
> > normal operation).
> > 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion.
[ ... ]
> I think I know what bit 5 does: setting it makes XT keyboards work. XT
> keyboards send scancodes that don't need any conversion (see Van Gilluwe).
> However, I couldn't get this to work in practice for an old keyboard with
> an XT/AT switch. Neither the BIOS nor standard syscons nor syscons
> tweaked to set the bit can see the keyboard in XT mode, and the tweaked
> syscons can see the keyboard in AT mode. Perhaps my keyboard controller
> is MCA compatible.
It should be noted that Windows 95's VKD code (again, from the DDK) does
a keyboard disable during the mouse probe phase, and goes so far as to
call VPICD_Physically_Mask and VPICD_Clear_Int_Request to insure no one
can do anything to the keyboard in the interim.
Since if the probe is false, these bits are restored by the PS/2 mouse
(Virtual Auxillary Device, or VAD) driver, I don't think this will
damage the PS/2 mouse case.
Maybe if the mouse is not probed true, these bits could be restored
to their previous values? This would fix your complaint about XT keyboards
on non-MCA keyboard controller chips.
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> Most of the tests fail under FreeBSD due to bugs in the tests and good
> error checking in FreeBSD. The behaviour of va_arg(ap, type) is undefined
> if `type' is not compatible with the type of the actual next argument (as
> promoted according to the default promotions). The tests are careful to
> avoid this problem in some cases but not all.
Could you please forward your changes to the PCTS, if you are sure of
them, back to Martha?
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> > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them
> > to the keymaps...
>
> Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied,
> only Paste is neccesssary...
How do I say I am done marking, via keyboard?
Whatever that command is, it's "cut".
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As J.J.Ming wrote:
> Is it current boot from cdrom ?
Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this.
> if not,whythere is a directory in cdrom directory when
> i make release
Because it's the directory structure that will (or: might) go onto a
release CD-ROM. Remember, ``make release'' is basically release-
engineering stuff.
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Subject: Re: SMP?
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As Ralf Luettgen wrote:
> Wich Release will contain SMP?
3.0
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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:00:29 +0900
From: Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>
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>>According to his book, the bit 5 and 1 of the keyboard command byte
>>are related to the PS/2 mouse but are treated differently for the
>>ISA/EISA systems and the MCA systems (p.304-305):
>>
>>ISA/EISA
>>bit 5 0 Check parity form keyboard, with scan conversion (0 is
>> normal operation).
>> 1 Ignore parity from keyboard, no scan conversion.
>...
>I think I know what bit 5 does: setting it makes XT keyboards work. XT
>keyboards send scancodes that don't need any conversion (see Van Gilluwe).
>However, I couldn't get this to work in practice for an old keyboard with
>an XT/AT switch. Neither the BIOS nor standard syscons nor syscons
>tweaked to set the bit can see the keyboard in XT mode, and the tweaked
>syscons can see the keyboard in AT mode. Perhaps my keyboard controller
>is MCA compatible.
As far as I understand, the bit 5 does not turn on/off conversion by
itself. It must be used in conjunction with the bit 6 which, I think,
is the bit to control the scan code translation/conversion.
bit 6 0 No conversion of keyboard scan codes.
1 Standard Scan conversion - the scan code from the keyboard is
converted into the normal scan codes used in PCs (1 is normal
operation). MCA Type 2 controllers cannot set this bit to 1.
In this case scan code conversion is set using keyboard
command F0h to port 60h.
This applies to both ISA/EISA systems and MCA systems (Van Gilluwe,
p304-305).
My understanding on scan code sets and conversion is as follows (is
this right?):
The bit 5 should be set/reset according to the keyboard device
attached to the system.
The XT keyboard sends scan codes without the parity bit. The AT
keyboard, on the other hand, sends them with the parity bit. In
addition, the AT keyboard can send three different sets of scan codes:
set 1 XT scan code set
set 2 AT scan code set (default)
set 3 for manufacturing test?
So, I think we can have the following hardware combinations to get
XT scan codes:
1. XT keyboard with an ISA/EISA style keyboard controller
The keyboard sends XT scan codes without the parity bit, thus,
we should set:
bit 6 - 0, bit 5 - 1.
2. AT keyboard with an ISA/EISA style keyboard controller
2.1 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 2
The keyboard sends AT scan codes with the parity bit;
bit 6 - 1, bit 5 - 0.
2.2 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 1
The keyboard sends XT scan codes with the parity bit;
bit 6 - 0, bit 5 - 0.
3. AT keyboard with a MCA style keyboard controller
3.1 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 2
The keyboard sends AT scan codes with the parity bit:
bit 6 - 1
3.2 If the keyboard is programmed to use the scan code set 1
The keyboard sends XT scan codes with the parity bit:
bit 6 - 0
I guess it is not possible to use the XT keyboard with the MCA style
keyboard controller, because parity checking cannot be turned off on
this controller.
Most AT systems, except some ThinkPad models?, operate in 2.1 or 3.1
above.
The `syscons' driver can be flagged to make the keyboard to send the
scan code set 1; this corresponds to the cases 2.2 and 3.2.
>>>3. KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002
>>>aka KBS_IBF 0x02
>>
>...
> KBS_OBF (1) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] [any] Output Buffer Full */
> KBS_IBF (2) /* KeyBoard Status [reg] Input Buffer Full */
> KBS_OBF_AUX (0x20) /* KBS_OBF for Aux port */
>
>I prefer not to OR bits together in #defines.
I think you are referring to:
#define KBDS_BUFFER_FULL 0x0021
#define KBDS_ANY_BUFFER_FULL 0x0001
#define KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL 0x0001
#define KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL 0x0021
#define KBDS_CONTROLLER_BUSY 0x0002
I intended to use these constants in the following ways:
To test if a keyboard data byte is available
if (inb(status_port) & KBDS_BUFFER_FULL) == KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL)
To test if a mouse data byte is available
if (inb(status_port) & KBDS_BUFFER_FULL) == KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL)
To test if a keyboard OR mouse data byte is available
if (inb(status_port) & KBDS_ANY_BUFFER_FULL) != 0)
If we use:
#define KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL 0x0020
and undef KBDS_BUFFER_FULL, then these tests have to be:
if (inb(status_port) & (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL))
== KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL)
if (inb(status_port) & (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL))
== (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL))
if (inb(status_port) & (KBDS_KBD_BUFFER_FULL | KBDS_AUX_BUFFER_FULL))
!= 0)
The first and the third tests look all right. But the second test
looks less intuitive to me than before.
Kazu
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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:06:40 +0900
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>Maybe if the mouse is not probed true, these bits could be restored
>to their previous values?
That is exactly what I intend to do in the new `psm' driver.
Kazu
>This would fix your complaint about XT keyboards
>on non-MCA keyboard controller chips.
>
>
> Terry Lambert
> terry@lambert.org
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Subject: ch0 disappears when st0 is enabled
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Hi,
I have got a DLT 2700 STACKER tape drive with 7 tapes in it.
When I enable ch0 in the kernel config, it will find a device
ch0 on LUN 1. As far as I have understood, this device is only for
changing the tapes, not for reading or writing to it.
But as soon as I enable st0 also, the ch0 line disappears and is
replaced by an st0 on LUN 0 (with the same SCSI address of course).
Is it possible, that other LUNs are not probed, as soon as one
device is found (in my case the st0)?
Thanks for any advices...
Andre
P.S.: I'm running the current 2.2-ALPHA kernel...
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Subject: Re: Syscons Paste
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> > > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them
> > > to the keymaps...
> >
> > Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied,
> > only Paste is neccesssary...
>
> How do I say I am done marking, via keyboard?
>
> Whatever that command is, it's "cut".
Currently you can't do marking with keyboard and its implementing
require some rewritting while Paste implementing not require
anything except adding a key for it.
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From: J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de>
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Subject: Re: UserConfig is broken + PS/2 support success
To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:05:24 +0100 (MET)
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As Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote:
I've ignored the beginning of this discussion.
> bit 6 0 No conversion of keyboard scan codes.
> 1 Standard Scan conversion - the scan code from the keyboard is
> converted into the normal scan codes used in PCs (1 is normal
> operation). MCA Type 2 controllers cannot set this bit to 1.
> In this case scan code conversion is set using keyboard
> command F0h to port 60h.
Right. The latter is why syscons didn't work out of the box on
ThinkPads.
> addition, the AT keyboard can send three different sets of scan codes:
>
> set 1 XT scan code set
> set 2 AT scan code set (default)
> set 3 for manufacturing test?
No, the AT keyboard (84-key one, almost forgotten now) has only 1 and
2. Set 3 is only applicable to PS/2-style keyboards. Alas, not all
keyboards around are PS/2-style, even not in these days. So while set
3 is the most orthogonal one (the only one that doesn't generate
compatibility cruft like all the crap you get in set 2 when pressing
Alt SysRq or Ctrl PrtScr), we cannot rely on it.
> So, I think we can have the following hardware combinations to get
> XT scan codes:
>
> 1. XT keyboard with an ISA/EISA style keyboard controller
No, i don't think we really support XT keyboards, and probably nobody
really wants this either. Our world starts with an AT design (e.g.
we also rely on having an RTC available), and we can ignore the XT
part.
Older keyboards (like mine -- 1990 manufactured) still have an XT/AT
switch somewhere, but they won't work in XT mode with messy DOS on the
AT-style machine either. So simply don't worry about this case.
--
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J Wunsch writes:
> As J.J.Ming wrote:
>
>> Is it current boot from cdrom ?
>
> Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this.
I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some
attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when
compared to other free UNIXes. These include CD-ROM booting (which
should be straightforward) and smooth support for ATAPI CD-ROMs (which
apparently isn't).
There's an article about CD-ROM booting in the current c't (December
1996), page 72. It starts with the promis "Sysadmins of Unix systems
or Macintoshes have known about it for a long time. You don't need
floppies to install a new operating system on a hard disk, just a
CD-ROM".
In summary, it says:
- There's a new substandard on top of ISO 9660, El Torito (that's
where they hacked out the scheme :-)
- More and more motherboard BIOSes support El Torito, as do a number
of SCSI host adapters. I built two machines yesterday, and both the
(useless) host adapter and the motherboard BIOS support it.
- The specs and a cookbook for making bootable CD-ROMs are available
in Adobe Acrobat format (whatever that may be) from a link in
http://www.ptltd.com/techs/specs.html. Maybe somebody can convert
them to PostScript for the rest of us to look at.
- There's also a document on making bootable CD-ROMs on
http://mail.ncku.edu.tw/~thlx/bootcd.htm.
J=F6rg, aren't you the right person to integrate this stuff?
Greg
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From: rhh@ct.picker.com (Randall Hopper)
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Gianmarco Giovannelli:
|I am not able to compile in the kernel the Sound Blaster (16) support
|anymore.
|
|Is there any changes to do ? It seems that from the source tree are missing
|some files...
Hmmm. I didn't have any trouble. However I didn't (cv)sup 2.2-ALPHA; I
installed via the packages. Maybe that's the difference?
What are errors are you getting?
Randall Hopper
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From: Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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While experimenting why a aic0 controller couldn't live happy
with two WD8013EPC cards I reversed the probes of ed0/ed1 and as the
result of this I got the following dmesg :
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard
sc0: MDA/hercules <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
ed1: failed to clear shared memory at d8000 - check configuration
ed1 not found at 0x280
ed0 at 0x200-0x21f irq 4 maddr 0xd0000 msize 16384 on isa
ed0: address 00:00:c0:34:56:78, type WD8013EPC (16 bit)
The corresponnding config lines are:
device ed1 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 3 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr
device ed0 at isa? port 0x200 net irq 4 iomem 0xd0000 vector edintr
Is there an overlap in the probing? msize 16384 should be 0x4000.
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I noticed with the 2.2-ALPHA installation that when adding a user
using 'adduser' that some entries in /etc/passwd are flagged by
adduser as being not in /etc/shells etc.
This doesn't do any harm but it's a bit ugly having these screaming
messages appear (at least the first time user could be lightly
repelled :). (Wolfram?)
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I just had the strange effect that while I was building world
in the background suddenly I couldn't start xterms any longer
since libgnumalloc.so.2.0 wasn't found. Doing a ldconfig /usr/lib
/usr/lib/compat /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/local/lib manually cured the
problem immediately.
Could it be that when the bootstrap target is made that another
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In article <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> you wrote:
: J Wunsch writes:
: > As J.J.Ming wrote:
: >
: >> Is it current boot from cdrom ?
: > Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this.
: I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some
: attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when
: compared to other free UNIXes. These include CD-ROM booting (which
: should be straightforward) and smooth support for ATAPI CD-ROMs (which
: apparently isn't).
diff's accepted :)
I guess it would take someone that was concerned enuff about it with
access to a burner and boot'able cdrom to make it happen.
If someone wants to post me the above gear i'll do it :)
There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in
the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to
help you out.
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Peter Childs writes:
> In article <199611191016.LAA03849@freebie.lemis.de> you wrote:
> : J Wunsch writes:
>>> As J.J.Ming wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it current boot from cdrom ?
>
>>> Nobody ever came round who was really interested in persuing this.
>
> : I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some
> : attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when
> : compared to other free UNIXes. These include CD-ROM booting (which
> : should be straightforward) and smooth support for ATAPI CD-ROMs (whic=
h
> : apparently isn't).
>
> diff's accepted :)
Well, I did say "FreeBSD core team" to get myself out of that one :-)
> I guess it would take someone that was concerned enuff about it with
> access to a burner and boot'able cdrom to make it happen.
Yup. With the possible exception of concern, it sounds like J=F6rg.
It's his line of business, and he has a burner.
> If someone wants to post me the above gear i'll do it :)
>
> There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in
> the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to
> help you out.
Depending on how long ago it was, I may have started that one. It's a
while back, and at the time nobody had any concrete details about how
it worked. Now the things are on the market.
Greg
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Peter Childs writes:
>
> There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in
> the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to
> help you out.
I started a thread a couple months back on cdrom booting. Since then
I discovered that even though my motherboard's bios indicates that
they support cdrom booting, they don't. Plus management has lost
interest in booting to CD, for now anyway. I might be able to drum
up a little support for it in the future.
The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in
the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. It provides several
ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from `total hackery' to `the
right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar wrt specs? ;-)
>
> Peter
>
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UserConfig should now work for -current users, and as soon as Jordan
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PS/2 mouse driver.
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Andre Albsmeier wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have got a DLT 2700 STACKER tape drive with 7 tapes in it.
> When I enable ch0 in the kernel config, it will find a device
> ch0 on LUN 1. As far as I have understood, this device is only for
> changing the tapes, not for reading or writing to it.
> But as soon as I enable st0 also, the ch0 line disappears and is
> replaced by an st0 on LUN 0 (with the same SCSI address of course).
>
> Is it possible, that other LUNs are not probed, as soon as one
> device is found (in my case the st0)?
yes exactly.. by default the tapes are not probed beyond lun0
you need to add an entry for your device in /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c
and include the flag SCSI_MORE_LUNS (or whatever the exact spelling is)
>
> Thanks for any advices...
>
> Andre
>
> P.S.: I'm running the current 2.2-ALPHA kernel...
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From: Dan Janowski <danj@3skel.com>
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Eric L. Hernes writes:
>
> The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in
> the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. It provides several
> ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from `total hackery' to `the
> right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar wrt specs? ;-)
>
I've wondered about this myself. The problem is with the PC
architecture, really, as suggested. Maybe the way to go about it is to
get us part of the way there. Have a floppy image that can reliably
boot strap the CDROM; something really minimal.
The problem with this is, it would require a major reworking of the
system loading architecture. Are there any commecial UNIXs that you
can load via PPP, Slip, NFS, LAN or WAN... None that I am aware of.
The commercial UNIX world has a very, very limited loading procedure,
tape or CDROM. Even then, if it is a Sun, SGI, or HP, they have boot
proms that make everything easier, even bootp/tftp booting.
We don't exist in the same world. FreeBSD gives people more choice and
flexibility, but we pay the price of wanting simplicity. I would love
to ditch release.[48], it would make customizing the boot/load process
much easier. JKH has been threatening a total re-write, but I haven't
heard anything about it.
This issue really has to be addressed in the larger picture. We could
stand a major revamping of fdisk/label for disks as well as booting
and system loading, and booting from CDROMs is included. It's just not
a standalone problem.
Dan
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Triskelion Systems, Inc.
Bronx, NY
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The new tzsetup(8) program I just committed does not work on my system
when compiled shared. If I fiddle around with GDB in the right way,
it tells me the earthshakingly useful fact that the segfault occurs
inside a library:
#0 0x802284e in dialog_menu (title=0x2821 "", prompt=0x2811 "", height=17,
width=37, menu_height=10, cnt=-10, it=0x4208, result=0x0, ch=0xefbfd890,
sc=0xefbfd88c) at /usr/wd1/src/gnu/lib/libdialog/menubox.c:163
163 print_item(menu, items[(scroll+i)*2], items[(scroll+i)*2 + 1], i, i == choice, DREF(ditems, scroll + i));
(My libdialog has debugging symbols in it (finally!).)
If I link static, there is no problem at all and the program works
precisely as intended.
If anyone wants to debug this, I'll happily send along a copy of the
zone.tab file which you'll need in order to run the program.
-GAWollman
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First off, I appologize if this is posted on the wrong list.
I am running XFree86 v. 3.11? on freebsd v. 2.1.5. When I type startx it
runs just fine, but the right mouse button doesn't do anything. The left
mouse button will let me highlight but I cannot select any buttons or
anything of that nature. I have used both fvwm v.2 and the default twm
and neither work. I have a logitech two button mouse if this helps
anyone. I have also changed the setup to emulate and NOT emulate a three
button mouse with no luck. I even tried chordmiddle? and it also wasn't
successful.
If you have any ideas, I would appreciate the help...
btw. I have tried to connect to xfree86.org but we have been having some
networking problems which makes this difficult.
Thanks,
Chris Brandenburg
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Subject: Re: Syscons Paste
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> > > > I think I should add two new keytypes CUT & PASTE and then add them
> > > > to the keymaps...
> > >
> > > Is Cut really neccessary? When block is marked, it is already copied,
> > > only Paste is neccesssary...
> >
> > How do I say I am done marking, via keyboard?
> >
> > Whatever that command is, it's "cut".
>
> Currently you can't do marking with keyboard and its implementing
> require some rewritting while Paste implementing not require
> anything except adding a key for it.
If I have to move my hands away from the keyboard to the mouse to
cut (losing "home row" and having to actually burn some time finding
where my hands go again, maybe even looking at the keyboard if I don't
have the standard "f and j" bumps), I might as well keep my hands on
the mouse for the paste operation.
So without the ability to mark (cut) via keyboard, pasting via keyboard
is a pretty useless exercise... especially if it eats a keycode that is
useful (easy to type), or if it is a complex "stand on one leg, hold
down the shift key" that I can't wire into my medulla (like vi commands
can be wired. Thought -> action.
Terry Lambert
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Eric L. Hernes writes:
> Peter Childs writes:
>>
>> There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in
>> the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to
>> help you out.
>
> I started a thread a couple months back on cdrom booting. Since then
> I discovered that even though my motherboard's bios indicates that
> they support cdrom booting, they don't. Plus management has lost
> interest in booting to CD, for now anyway. I might be able to drum
> up a little support for it in the future.
Are you talking about your management?
> The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in
> the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap.
Now why does that sound familiar?
> It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from
> `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar
> wrt specs? ;-)
Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com,
so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't
article was that it was pretty straightforward. They were able to get
their stuff to boot, anyway.
I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have
directly bootable CD-ROMs. I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM
would love it, too.
Greg
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I built current today 11-19 with the new 1.89 syscons.c PS/2 mouse
interface. I can now do a config (-c) on boot, but cannot login
(the imput from the kb is garbage)
if I use the -c option on boot. If I just boot normally RETURN
I can login. The cut and paste options are very slow now when compared
to the last release (1.86) I tried (kinda like 1.80 and b4).
Ron
I liked the responsiveness of the 1.86 version I had for cut and
paste operations.
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Ron Bolin writes:
> I built current today 11-19 with the new 1.89 syscons.c PS/2 mouse
> interface. I can now do a config (-c) on boot, but cannot login
> (the imput from the kb is garbage)
> if I use the -c option on boot.
Hmm, I *just* tested this on my test machines, one is running the 2.2
code and the other -current.
Did you compile from scratch, or use your old configuration?
[ I'm not familiar with the Cut & Paste stuff ]
Nate
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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Greg Lehey writes:
>
>Are you talking about your management?
>
Yup.
>> It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from
>> `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar
>> wrt specs? ;-)
>
>Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com,
>so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't
>article was that it was pretty straightforward. They were able to get
>their stuff to boot, anyway.
>
AFAICR they're pdf's, either the linux acrobat reader from Adobe, xpdf,
or ghostscript4 from ports can print/view them.
>I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have
>directly bootable CD-ROMs. I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM
>would love it, too.
>
Yea, I agree. If you look at the `cookbook' document, the bios
interprets a file on the cdrom as a floppy drive. That's the simplest,
and the most kludgy. At a first hack, the install boot image, could
be set up for this and proceed as normal, but I'd be embarrased to
have my name on that hack ;-) It wouldn't take too much more to
get real bootable support complete with boot blocks and such.
Joerg seemed interested in helping out with what he could last time
we talked on it. I just discovered that my hardware didn't support
it so there was really no way to test it. :(
>Greg
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Dan Janowski writes:
>Eric L. Hernes writes:
> >
> > The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in
> > the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap. It provides several
> > ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from `total hackery' to `the
> > right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar wrt specs? ;-)
> >
>
>I've wondered about this myself. The problem is with the PC
>architecture, really, as suggested. Maybe the way to go about it is to
>get us part of the way there. Have a floppy image that can reliably
>boot strap the CDROM; something really minimal.
>
Naw, I think that it is possible to get fairly legitimate cdrom boot
support. We were interested in building machines with no floppy drive
or hard disk, cdrom only.
>
>This issue really has to be addressed in the larger picture. We could
>stand a major revamping of fdisk/label for disks as well as booting
>and system loading, and booting from CDROMs is included. It's just not
>a standalone problem.
>
I think creating a bootable cd-rom would go something like:
Use mkisofs to create a cdrom image, as usual. Then slap bootblocks
in the image with something like dd.
OR
Incorporate the bootblock writing stuff into mkisofs directly, and pass
the filename in as yet another command line arg. Then wrap the whole
thing as a wart in Jordan's makecdfs shell script
>Dan
>
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As Greg Lehey wrote:
> I think it's about time that the FreeBSD core team began paying some
> attention to the things which will gain acceptability of FreeBSD when
> compared to other free UNIXes.
If you count me as a member of the core team, then we do. :) But
please, don't expect us to do all the work ourselves -- we would never
get ready. I've got the El Torito bootable CD-ROM specification
(though most of it is basically crap to pull the Ancient Obosolete
Program Loader (TM) into the era of CD-ROM booting), and i remember
that i've been discussing the details and my opinions with someone who
seemed to be interested in tackling this down. Alas, i've never heard
anything back (even though i offered to be the Guinea Pig for tests
including burning a couple of CD-Rs).
I can dump you the entire mail discussion if you're going to make some
code out of this. But please, don't only discuss it, _do it_! (Of
course, i gotta dig up this mail, and get the permission of the person
i've been talking with to forward the private mails first. So i will
only do it if you ensure us that we'll see the first bootable CD-ROM
in say 2 months from you.)
This offer is of course not only to Greg, but to anybody else who is
_seriously_ interested in this. Bootable CD-ROMs are not a project
that requires yet another 50-soul mailing list first, but it requires
a person who's a) interested, and b) capable of doing this work. The
latter requires a good understanding of the various low-level PeeCee
BIOS int 0x13 stuff (including reference material like Van Gilluwe),
plus some knowledge in ix86 assembler programming, and preferably also
a CD-R drive.
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From: J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de>
Message-Id: <199611192108.WAA09318@uriah.heep.sax.de>
Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:08:53 +0100 (MET)
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p.s.:
As Greg Lehey wrote:
> - The specs and a cookbook for making bootable CD-ROMs are available
> in Adobe Acrobat format (whatever that may be) from a link in
> http://www.ptltd.com/techs/specs.html. Maybe somebody can convert
> them to PostScript for the rest of us to look at.
Btw., forget about that ``cookbook''. It's silly and not what we are
looking for. It's not worth to waste the Internet bandwidth sucking
that document. Get the El Torito specs, take an eraser, erase every-
thing they call ``emulation booting'', and use the remaining 20 % of
that document as the basis of your thoughts.
--
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Subject: Re: ed1 probed before ed0 -> iomem problem
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:46:03 +0100 (MET)
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As Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> ed1: failed to clear shared memory at d8000 - check configuration
Do you perchance have a ROM at this location (e.g. from an Adaptec)?
--
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:49:52 +0100 (MET)
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As Greg Lehey wrote:
> > diff's accepted :)
>
> Well, I did say "FreeBSD core team" to get myself out of that one :-)
...but you forgot that the core team is no coding machine (no smiley).
We are just organizational overhead, nothing else.
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Subject: Re: ypserv not reloading passwd database
References: <Pine.NEB.3.95.961112233647.16511D-100000@nike>
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jmg@nike.efn.org (John-Mark Gurney) writes:
>
> well... when I change my NIS passwd ypserv does not reload the new
> password until I manually send the HUP signal to ypserv... this is a
> 960801-SNAP system running the ypserv from current... thanks for your
> help... and I hope I have provided enough info... ttyl..
>
> John-Mark
>
> gurney_j@efn.org
> http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/
> Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box)
>
> Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix)
>
Sounds like you have an old makefile in /var/yp -- you need to run yp_mkdb
with the -c flag. Just get the new makefile.yp out of
/usr/src/usr.sbin/ypserv.
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:01:41 +0100 (MET)
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As Greg Lehey wrote:
> Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com,
> so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't
> article was that it was pretty straightforward.
"straightbackward", you mean? :-)
> I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have
> directly bootable CD-ROMs.
No way. 2.2 is gone. Only critical bugfixes accepted. (There's
always one more feature to incorporate... somewhere must be the line.
And this one is _far_ from getting ready RSN.)
> I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM
> would love it, too.
We'll accept diffs from Walnut Creek employees, too. ;-)
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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As Eric L. Hernes wrote:
> Yea, I agree. If you look at the `cookbook' document, the bios
> interprets a file on the cdrom as a floppy drive. That's the simplest,
> and the most kludgy. At a first hack, the install boot image, could
> be set up for this and proceed as normal, but I'd be embarrased to
> have my name on that hack ;-)
:-) Metoo.
> get real bootable support complete with boot blocks and such.
> Joerg seemed interested in helping out with what he could last time
> we talked on it. I just discovered that my hardware didn't support
> it so there was really no way to test it. :(
Ah, so that's the reason for you disappearing from the surface...
anyway, the offer is there: if somebody is seriously interested in
writing this, i can get him a copy of all the discussion between Eric
and me by that time. Together with the El Torito specs, this should
get you a fairly good picture of where to start and how to do it best.
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Cc: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
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As Garrett Wollman wrote:
> #0 0x802284e in dialog_menu (title=0x2821 "", prompt=0x2811 "", height=17,
> width=37, menu_height=10, cnt=-10, it=0x4208, result=0x0, ch=0xefbfd890,
> sc=0xefbfd88c) at /usr/wd1/src/gnu/lib/libdialog/menubox.c:163
> 163 print_item(menu, items[(scroll+i)*2], items[(scroll+i)*2 + 1], i, i == choice, DREF(ditems, scroll + i));
>
> (My libdialog has debugging symbols in it (finally!).)
Well, copying over menubox.c, and linking it locally was probably much
quicker than whacking the entire lib with debugging symbols. :)
> If anyone wants to debug this, I'll happily send along a copy of the
> zone.tab file which you'll need in order to run the program.
Well, this was fairly simple to debug... `scroll' looked awfully like
an uninitialized variable. Actually, both, ch and sc were not
initialized by the caller.
Since your main() is not interested in the return values at all, it's
perfectly legal to kill these dummy variables, and pass NULL down to
dialog_menu(). Commit to follow...
Btw., i noticed that my timezone name has changed from MET to CET. Is
this official policy now?
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Hi,
Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0?
Thanks
Ralf
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How to mirror freebsd WEB server when sup
is not available anymore?
How about updating http://www.freebsd.org/README.mirror ?
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Greg Lehey wrote:
> Eric L. Hernes writes:
> > Peter Childs writes:
> >>
> >> There was a decently long thread on this that is probably in
> >> the archives if you want more pointers/matterial/background to
> >> help you out.
> >
> > I started a thread a couple months back on cdrom booting. Since then
> > I discovered that even though my motherboard's bios indicates that
> > they support cdrom booting, they don't. Plus management has lost
> > interest in booting to CD, for now anyway. I might be able to drum
> > up a little support for it in the future.
>
> Are you talking about your management?
>
> > The gist of that thread was that the El-Torito spec was done in
> > the true pc-hardware style.. a pile of crap.
>
> Now why does that sound familiar?
>
> > It provides several ways of making a CD bootable, ranging from
> > `total hackery' to `the right way'. Now doesn't that sound familiar
> > wrt specs? ;-)
>
> Hmm. I don't understand the format of the documents at www.ptltd.com,
> so I can't read the stuff, but the impression that I got from the c't
> article was that it was pretty straightforward. They were able to get
> their stuff to boot, anyway.
>
> I still think it would be a good selling point for FreeBSD 2.2 to have
> directly bootable CD-ROMs. I'm sure the guys at Walnut Creek CDROM
> would love it, too.
>
> Greg
>
At the least it would be very cool to just have a floppy with boot code on
it to bring up a bootable cd. This would solve a lot of space issues when
it comes to installing. Imagine a kernel with all the toys in it instead
of 'the usual'.
Andrew
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I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not
enter in the configuration utility: it only prints:
FreeBSD Kernel Configuration Utility - Version 1.1
Type "help" for help or "visual" to go to the visual
configuration interface (requires MGA/VGA display or
serial terminal capable of displaying ANSI graphics).
config> quit
^^^^ of course I did NOT type this :-)
I have
options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor
options USERCONFIG_BOOT #imply -c and parse info area
options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor
in my config file.
Jean-Marc
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Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ?
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> Hi,
>
> Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0?
That would be release 2.0... Ie: FreeBSD already has it. 8-).
Terry Lambert
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:46:12 PST."
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In message <199611191746.SAA00462@freebie.lemis.de>you write:
>... the impression that I got from the c't
>article was that it was pretty straightforward.
It looks reasonably straightforward. To boot from an emulated floppy, there's
a little bit of glue, and then an image as a iso9660 file. We only need to
use up cd space for the glue, since the file can just be boot.flp. There's
also a "Boot in this manner from the CD" int13 function, so there could be a
"bootcd.exe" in case the user's BIOS is a little weird.
I stuck the postscript file in http://www.freebsd.org/~fenner/cdrom7.ps for
anyone who doesn't have a PDF viewer.
Bill
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Subject: Re: Mirroring www.freebsd.org?
To: taavi@uninet.ee (Taavi Talvik)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:26:05 +0300 (MSK)
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> How to mirror freebsd WEB server when sup
> is not available anymore?
Err, do you use freezer to make it poor a tea for you?;) Then in case the answer
is "no", use a) cvsup for cvsup (ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/pub/CVSup/),
you'll understand how to use it, a cutie written in modula-3, and b)
/usr/ports/www/webcopy/ (it's from ports-current, I may be mistaken, might be
it exists in ports-2.1.5), pearl based one. An advice, use it with -t1 flag,
i.e. wait maximum 1 second before next page download.
And I assume this belongs more to freebsd-hubs, than freebsd-current..
>
> How about updating http://www.freebsd.org/README.mirror ?
Let's annoy Mr. Hubbard together on this purpose, but not in -current ;-)
-mishania
>
> regards,
> taavi
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Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways,
here's the error output:
cc -O2 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `main':
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:187: structure has no member named
`parm_addr_h'
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:301: too few arguments to function
`set_tracelevel'
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:354: too few arguments to function
`set_tracelevel'
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `rip_on':
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:717: `IS_RIP_QUERIED' undeclared (first use
this function)
/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:717: (Each undeclared identifier is reported
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/usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:717: for each function it appears in.)
*** Error code 1
Stop.
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Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me
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Jean-Marc Zucconi writes:
> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not
> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints:
Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c
you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig.
Nate
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After upgrading an ISP friend to the latest sendmail, the makemap
utility no longer works - it hangs forever.
Sigh. Any ideas? This worked fine up until the upgrade.
Jordan
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[And yes, I rebuilt libc just in case]
It hangs here:
#0 0x805d0d4 in __log2 ()
#1 0x805a9ca in __hash_open ()
#2 0x805a699 in __hash_open ()
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#4 0x1bc1 in main (argc=3, argv=0xefbfdb8c)
at /home/localhost/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/makemap/makemap.c:333
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> Jean-Marc Zucconi writes:
> > I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not
> > enter in the configuration utility: it only prints:
>
> Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c
> you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig.
Besides that you need options USERCONFIG in your kernel config file
anyway to get the -c feature, don't you?
>
>
>
> Nate
>
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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As Terry Lambert wrote:
> > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0?
>
> That would be release 2.0... Ie: FreeBSD already has it. 8-).
Except that Terry's Lithium level just dropped below the critical
minimum... It's 2.2, of course, not 2.0. NFSv3 has been deliberately
left out of the entire 2.1.X line.
--
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> As Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>
> > ed1: failed to clear shared memory at d8000 - check configuration
>
> Do you perchance have a ROM at this location (e.g. from an Adaptec)?
Not unless the ROMless AVA1505 decodes this memory range which I don't
believe since decoding circuitry is missing :-) I reversed the probes back
to the normal sequence and things are ok again. At least I have the
board now living with the WD8013s but the driver is still defunct.
>
> --
> cheers, J"org
>
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If you're moving to the 2.2 branch from current you need to do the
following to get fetch to build:
cd /usr/src/lib/libftpio
make install # only ftpio.h is important.
cd /usr/src/usr.bin/fetch
make # works!
I think the next make world will go thru after doing the above.
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>/*
> * Silly rename. To make the NFS filesystem that is stateless look a little
> * more like the "ufs" a remove of an active vnode is translated to a rename
> * to a funny looking filename that is removed by nfs_inactive on the
> * nfsnode. There is the potential for another process on a different client
> * to create the same funny name between the nfs_lookitup() fails and the
> * nfs_rename() completes, but...
> */
> But... what?!?! :) Was this double panic just a coincidence?
Probably not relevant to the previous message...
I am seeing .nfs* files left in the filesystem long after they are active,
perhaps this simply results from rebooting the client machine?
Other NFS oddities:
I am also noticing 'make clean' sometimes needs to be repeated multiple times
on an NFS mounted directory, because of an infamous "rm: directory not empty".
'make includes' with an NFS mounted /usr bails out sometimes complaining about
nonexistent files which match a template of INS@* (from install).
None of this is new.
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Because I cant be bothered typing too much, heres the paste from my
todo list (with annotations):
- Get experimental Plug'n'Play driver so I dont have to boot to
DOS first to get my sound card activated.
- where can I get this experimental PnP driver I've
heard about ?
- Fix CPU speed detection
- hard code the speed - defines ?
- hard code the method - defines ?
- Worked at 2.1R
Since 2.1R about a quarter of all boots get wild
CPU speeds reported for my P90... ~40MHz -> ~75MHz
This then fills my message logs with heaps of
calcru: negative time messages... the only solution
is to keep rebooting until I get 90.20MHz reported.
It seems to happen regardless of the "X Hz differs
from default of Y Hz by more than 1%" messages that
I get every now and then on boot.
- Fix PCI bus probing
- The first time I boot FreeBSD it fails to detect my
PCI bus and hence my NCR SCSI card and hence my
SCSI HDDs. On the second boot (which I have put
into /etc/rc) it probes the PCI bus ALWAYS !
- Fix ATAPI cdrom driver
- Didn't lock the machine at 2.1R
- Used to find itself too... didn't
have to make it STATIC. Prolly
wasn't a LKM then though.
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I was testing a DLT4000 tape on my system. However, 2.2-960801 hung when
the kernel was probing the scsi devices. Any ideas why? Yes, it was properly
terminated and I'd slotted it in using the same cable, terminator and scsi ID
of the DAT drive that is usually on that machine.
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As Chuck Robey wrote:
> Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways,
> here's the error output:
>
> cc -O2 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c
> /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `main':
> /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:187: structure has no member named
> `parm_addr_h'
I remember a separate import from Garrett into /usr/src/include where
the commit message said something like ``to match the new routed''.
Hence, ``cd /usr/src/include; make all install''.
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>>>>> Nate Williams writes:
> Jean-Marc Zucconi writes:
>> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not
>> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints:
> Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c
> you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig.
No change :-(
I tried with an older kernel (Oct, 19): same problem. A very old kernel
(6 months old) is ok.
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, J Wunsch wrote:
> As Chuck Robey wrote:
>
> > Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways,
> > here's the error output:
> >
> > cc -O2 -pipe -c /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c
> > /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c: In function `main':
> > /usr/src/sbin/routed/main.c:187: structure has no member named
> > `parm_addr_h'
>
> I remember a separate import from Garrett into /usr/src/include where
> the commit message said something like ``to match the new routed''.
> Hence, ``cd /usr/src/include; make all install''.
OK. This broke on a make world, I didn't see the thing about include, but
I thought that'd likely fix it for me. Thanks.
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<<On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:22:13 -0500 (EST), Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu> said:
> Maybe the last patch by Garrett might have had something busted? Anyways,
> here's the error output:
I see your problem, it appears to be some sort of merge problem; I am
looking into it.
-GAWollman
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<<On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:14:44 +0100 (MET), J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de> said:
> Btw., i noticed that my timezone name has changed from MET to CET. Is
> this official policy now?
As I mentioned in the commit message for the data files, MET is
history because it never made any sense (it was sort of a bizarre
half-translation of the German `MEZ'); all English-language references
that the timezone maintainers were able to locate used the phrase
``Central European Time'', so the abbreviation was changed to match.
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> >> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not
> >> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints:
>
> > Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c
> > you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig.
>
> No change :-(
> I tried with an older kernel (Oct, 19): same problem. A very old kernel
> (6 months old) is ok.
Hmm, although there have been quite a few changes since Oct. 19, a
kernel from the 19th should work fine. Do you have the 'USERCONFIG'
option as Christopher pointed out?
I'm sure you've already done this, but make sure you do a 'make clean'
before starting over, or do the configure from scratch to make sure you
get a clean compile.
Nate
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> At the least it would be very cool to just have a floppy with boot code on
> it to bring up a bootable cd. This would solve a lot of space issues when
> it comes to installing. Imagine a kernel with all the toys in it instead
> of 'the usual'.
>
> Andrew
Make a DOS bootable floppy, copy fbsdboot.exe on it, edit autoexec.bat
and add a line like "fbsdboot -C -D f:\kernel" (f = CD-ROM drive) and that's
it.
I was able to boot from the second CD of the 2.0.5 release like that.
Maybe you need some options more to get fbsdboot running, I can't remember
which options I used.
Christian.
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As Garrett Wollman wrote:
> > Btw., i noticed that my timezone name has changed from MET to CET. Is
> > this official policy now?
>
> As I mentioned in the commit message for the data files, MET is
> history because it never made any sense (it was sort of a bizarre
> half-translation of the German `MEZ'); all English-language references
> that the timezone maintainers were able to locate used the phrase
> ``Central European Time'', so the abbreviation was changed to match.
At least, this breaks the tradition (not only of FreeBSD). Except
IBM's AIX (which uses NFT == Norway-France-Time :), every other Unix
around calls it MET now. I think the official translation for this
was ``Mediterranean Time''. This might look a little senseless, too,
but it's IMHO a bad move to break with a traditional name once people
are used to it.
I vote for keeping the previous name.
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taavi@uninet.ee writes:
> How to mirror freebsd WEB server when sup
> is not available anymore?
As another person already pointed out, CVSup isn't really intended for
this (yet). But it _can_ do the job. You need a supfile line something
like this:
www release=current host=cvsup.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/usr \
prefix=/usr/local/www delete old use-rel-suffix
(I split it into 2 lines to make it easier to read. You can't
really do that.) As always, change "base" and "prefix" to reflect
the layout of your site, and add "compress" if you're using a slow
link.
Notice that unlike other cvsupfiles, you must specify "release=current"
here. There's no CVS repository in the picture for this particular
collection.
Caveat: This isn't perfect. CVSup doesn't handle symbolic links
properly. It always follows them to the real files, rather than
preserving them as links. There are quite a few symbolic links in the
www tree, and as a result you'll get copies of files where you used to
get links to them. Whereas the www/data tree on freefall is 8.7 MB,
your copy will be 11.6 MB. Also, when a file referenced by symbolic
links changes on freefall, each of your copies will be transferred
separately. Updates are not intelligent in any sense; any change to a
file causes the whole thing to be transferred.
I'm going to address these deficiencies in the future, as time permits.
My primary focus is still on mirroring CVS repositories, though.
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>>>>> Nate Williams writes:
>> >> I tried to boot a kernel from today with the -c option, but I do not
>> >> enter in the configuration utility: it only prints:
>>
>> > Try updating your sources again and make sure the version of syscons.c
>> > you have is 1.189. That version should have fixed UserConfig.
>>
>> No change :-(
>> I tried with an older kernel (Oct, 19): same problem. A very old kernel
>> (6 months old) is ok.
> Hmm, although there have been quite a few changes since Oct. 19, a
> kernel from the 19th should work fine. Do you have the 'USERCONFIG'
> option as Christopher pointed out?
Yes. I have USERCONFIG, USERCONFIG_BOOT and VISUAL_USERCONFIG.
> I'm sure you've already done this, but make sure you do a 'make clean'
> before starting over, or do the configure from scratch to make sure you
> get a clean compile.
I always do a config from scratch.
> Nate
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With sources from 11/19 21:00
cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DFREEBSD_AOUT
-I/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../../../../contrib/gcc
-I/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../../../../contrib/gcc/config
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cc: /usr/obj/u2/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../cc_int/libcc_int.a: No
such file or directory
*** Error code 1
Stop.
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As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote:
> Make a DOS bootable floppy, copy fbsdboot.exe on it, edit autoexec.bat
> and add a line like "fbsdboot -C -D f:\kernel" (f = CD-ROM drive) and that's
> it.
Dosboot... the source code in the tree looks fairly outdated.
Christian, can you see to update it? It would also be fine to find a
method to automatically generate the header files out of the genuine
headers, so they can't disagree. It would be even better if we could
get it to compile with bcc(1) and finally make a .com file out of it.
;-)
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J Wunsch wrote:
>
> As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote:
>
> > Make a DOS bootable floppy, copy fbsdboot.exe on it, edit autoexec.bat
> > and add a line like "fbsdboot -C -D f:\kernel" (f = CD-ROM drive) and that's
> > it.
>
> Dosboot... the source code in the tree looks fairly outdated.
> Christian, can you see to update it? It would also be fine to find a
Yes, I know. There's a big lack of spare-time ...
> method to automatically generate the header files out of the genuine
> headers, so they can't disagree. It would be even better if we could
Yeah, that would be fine ;-)
> get it to compile with bcc(1) and finally make a .com file out of it.
>
> ;-)
I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't
understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR) and I'm not very familar
with the unix assembler. Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like
the 'far' masm statement)?
Christian.
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That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
and all the stuf for build graphique...
The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
#######################################################
# Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
# wp@ec.camitel.com #
# Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
# Name: #
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# #Fax: #
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If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
It depend how many personne want it...
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> > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0?
> >
> > That would be release 2.0... Ie: FreeBSD already has it. 8-).
>
> Except that Terry's Lithium level just dropped below the critical
> minimum... It's 2.2, of course, not 2.0. NFSv3 has been deliberately
> left out of the entire 2.1.X line.
I thought it was on the CDROM in the "experimental" branch.
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> I am seeing .nfs* files left in the filesystem long after they are active,
> perhaps this simply results from rebooting the client machine?
Yes. The state that says "delete this object with a real delete on
1->0 reference count" exists only on the client, and is destroyed
when the client crashes. It is the NFS "close" on the client that
destroys objects tagged this way.
In general, there will not be file name collisions, since the name is
supposed to be manufactured from sysid and pid. If a lookup succeeds,
it will succeed in the name space segment of the system with the same
systemid... thus, it is legal for a system to do a lookup and a
create, as long as the client process isn't multithreaded (ie: more
than one kernel entry on a PID simultaneously), or the client access
is per process mutexed.
In the general kernel multithreading case, this is not a problem, since
the remote PID is replaced by the remote LWP ID on the way to the NFS
host, and they are unique, no matter how many threads you have in the
same process.
Either way, collisions will not occur, and you are safe (FreeBSD is not
process reentrant for deletes anyway).
It is the responsibility of the NFS server to run a process (after
sufficient time has passed for NFS clients to reestablish their
mount instances) to clean up these files (generally, using a cron job
that references RPC.statd to ensure that deletion by ".nfs<system id>*"
will not selete any active files. An rcp.statd client reboot
detection is a license to log rename events of the appropriate
pattern and exclude them from the deletion pass for the system ID, but
allow the deletion of unprotected objects otherwise. In general, the
rpc.statd now works, so this could be implemented on the server side).
> I am also noticing 'make clean' sometimes needs to be repeated multiple times
> on an NFS mounted directory, because of an infamous "rm: directory not empty".
A cached file in the client buffer cache will maintain a reference
even after deletion for the cache timeout duration if there is a vnode
reference in the name cache for the object. This is an issue you need
to take up with the VM guru's.
Terry Lambert
terry@lambert.org
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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To: Christian.Gusenbauer@utimaco.co.at, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de
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>I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't
>understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR)
Yes it does:
int main(argc, argv)
int achar **argv;
{
int foo;
; /* end declarations to get frame allocated */
#asm
; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's
; for x >= 3.
mov ax,_main.argc[sp]
mov bx,_main.argv[sp]
mov cx,_main.foo[sp]
mov dx,1
...
#endasm
}
>and I'm not very familar
>with the unix assembler.
It doesn't use "the" unix assembler.
>Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like
>the 'far' masm statement)?
No. It only supports pure tiny and small models.
Bruce
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:24:21 EST."
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Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
Regards,
Amancio
>From The Desk Of Christian Fortin :
> That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
> Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
> Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
>
> But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
>
> WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
> of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
>
> It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
> and all the stuf for build graphique...
> The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
>
> A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
>
>
>
> #######################################################
> # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
> # wp@ec.camitel.com #
> # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
> # Name: #
> # #tel: #
> # #Fax: #
> # Adress: #
> # ZIP: #
> #######################################################
>
> If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
> a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
> It depend how many personne want it...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
> Date: 11/20/96
> Heure: 13:24:21
> ##################################################--------+
> Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 |
> 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 |
> Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec |
> Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com |
> G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J
> --------------------------L---WM-----<
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From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@ki.net>
To: Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>
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Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
> Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
> so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
>
I *really* hate to put a wrench in the works...but *please* do not
send a message to Coral if its only to bolster the numbers. I would
really hate for everyone to send in a mail message, get them to release
it for FreeBSD, and find 10% actually buy a copy...it would really really
set a bad precedent(sp?), which could hurt us long term... :(
> Regards,
> Amancio
>
> >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin :
> > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
> > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
> > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
> >
> > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
> >
> > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
> > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
> >
> > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
> > and all the stuf for build graphique...
> > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
> >
> > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
> >
> >
> >
> > #######################################################
> > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
> > # wp@ec.camitel.com #
> > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
> > # Name: #
> > # #tel: #
> > # #Fax: #
> > # Adress: #
> > # ZIP: #
> > #######################################################
> >
> > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
> > a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
> > It depend how many personne want it...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
> > Date: 11/20/96
> > Heure: 13:24:21
> > ##################################################--------+
> > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 |
> > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 |
> > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec |
> > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com |
> > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J
> > --------------------------L---WM-----<
> > \----1
> > ---
> > -
>
>
Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net
Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org
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From: Jamie Bowden <jamie@inna.net>
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Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
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WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't
rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would.
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
> Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
> so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
>
> Regards,
> Amancio
>
> >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin :
> > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
> > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
> > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
> >
> > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
> >
> > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
> > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
> >
> > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
> > and all the stuf for build graphique...
> > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
> >
> > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
> >
> >
> >
> > #######################################################
> > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
> > # wp@ec.camitel.com #
> > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
> > # Name: #
> > # #tel: #
> > # #Fax: #
> > # Adress: #
> > # ZIP: #
> > #######################################################
> >
> > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
> > a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
> > It depend how many personne want it...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
> > Date: 11/20/96
> > Heure: 13:24:21
> > ##################################################--------+
> > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 |
> > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 |
> > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec |
> > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com |
> > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J
> > --------------------------L---WM-----<
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>
>
Jamie Bowden
Network Administrator, TBI Ltd.
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Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
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According to Marc G. Fournier:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
>
> > Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
> > so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
> >
>
> I *really* hate to put a wrench in the works...but *please* do not
> send a message to Coral if its only to bolster the numbers. I would
> really hate for everyone to send in a mail message, get them to release
> it for FreeBSD, and find 10% actually buy a copy...it would really really
> set a bad precedent(sp?), which could hurt us long term... :(
>
>
Indeed. I hope that WP 7.0 is the first of many prev'ly
DOS-only or Mac-only ports. The one tool that I would
buy is that checkbook/banking program.
The way to initiate these ports to FreeBSD is to be
willing to buy them.
gary kline
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Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
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Hello people,
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Jamie Bowden wrote:
>
> WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't
> rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would.
Gmm.
Let's everyone really write the message to Corel, but
inserting your own actual idea of how much should it cost
for you just go and buy it. Why should you lie, what for?
Proposed template:
To: wp@ec.camitel.com
Subject: WP 7.0 For freeBSD
Hello,
I'll happily buy WP 7.0 for FreeBSD! _but_ at $67.95, not 495$;
and if the price will be $49.95, I will shout at each street
corner about such a great offer from Corel to us, free-UNIX
users. (Please remember -- free-UNIX users aren't corporations!)
Thanks!
Name: Joe hacker
tel: 2223322
Fax: 3332233
Adress: ...
ZIP: ...
Substitute your idea of reasonable price for WP 7.0 in the template
above. :-) I'm not in US, so my idea of reasonability might differ
from yours. BTW -- what will be WP 7.0 price for their winglows97
version? That might give us yet another approximation of
price reasonability.
--
Best,
Andrew Stesin
nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
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From: "Kenneth J. Dupuis" <kdupuis@dcs.stu.rpi.edu>
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Jamie Bowden wrote:
> WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't
> rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would.
Hah! How do you think Rensselaer feels?! They've got a site license for
1000 users across 3 major platforms:
IBM RS/6000's (running AIX 3.2.5 & AIX 4.1.4)
Sun's (running SunOS 4.1.3 & Solaris 2.5)
SGI's (running IRIX 5.3)
Regards,
Kenneth J. Dupuis
External Consultant
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
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I've been digging thru manpages in 3.0-current quite a bit lately
and have been noticing some things.
Current's man page for sh doesn't list the option for "sh -c" that
is discussed in the man page for popen().
In "man 3 end"
[snip]
DESCRIPTION
The global variables end, extext and edata correspond to the the
^-- extra "x" (?)
Meanwhile I still don't understand what end, etext, and edata contain.
gdb reports end is an int function.
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From: Michael Hancock <michaelh@cet.co.jp>
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I haven't looked at the sillyname algorithm. It really depends on how
well it picks out a name.
NFS is stateless so it is hard to preserve Unix semantics when deleting a
file that is open by another process. In Unix when a file is deleted, any
process that has the file open can continue to use it. The inactive call
detects last close of a deleted file and does the actual remove.
When the nfs client detects an attempt to delete an open file, it renames
to the file to a name that is unlikely to conflict and then removes the
file on last close. If you have more than 1 nfs client it is possible to
get sillyname collisions.
If another client deletes the file then you will get a stale file error.
If the server crashes between the rename and the remove, you get garbage
files left behind.
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Mike Hancock
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Brian Tao wrote:
> This is a new and amusing one. ;-) I have two shell servers, one
> running 2.2-961014-SNAP and the other running 2.2-960501-SNAP. Both
> have identical hardware and both mount the same nine filesystems from
> three NFS servers (one is NetBSD 1.1, one is FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP,
> and one is BSD/OS 2.01). Neither act as an NFS server.
>
> A couple of days ago, both of them crashed with the same kernel
> panic within 97 seconds of each other, "panic: nfs: sillyrename dir".
> I don't know if this is significant, but it takes about that length of
> time for one of those shell servers to reboot.
>
> In /usr/src/sys/nfs/nfs_vnops.c, there is the following comment
> block before the nfs_sillyrename() function:
>
> /*
> * Silly rename. To make the NFS filesystem that is stateless look a little
> * more like the "ufs" a remove of an active vnode is translated to a rename
> * to a funny looking filename that is removed by nfs_inactive on the
> * nfsnode. There is the potential for another process on a different client
> * to create the same funny name between the nfs_lookitup() fails and the
> * nfs_rename() completes, but...
> */
>
> But... what?!?! :) Was this double panic just a coincidence?
> --
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> Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp.
> "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"
>
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In "man procfs" for 3.0-current says:
[snip]
file the executable image (not currently implemented)
[snip]
Each node is owned by the process's user, and belongs to that user's pri-
mary group, except for the mem node, which belongs to the kmem group in-
stead. (This is not yet true, but will be eventually.)
Both of the above caveats apear no longer true for 3.0-current:
PeeCee: {1125} uname -a
FreeBSD PeeCee.tbe.com 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Nov 19
13:10:26 CST 1996 dkelly@PeeCee.tbe.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PEECEE i386
PeeCee: {1126} ls -l /proc/3916
total 36
--w------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 ctl
-r--r--r-- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 etype
-r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 36864 Nov 19 01:54 file*
-rw------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 fpregs
-r--r--r-- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 map
-rw-r----- 1 dkelly kmem 0 Nov 20 13:50 mem
--w------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 note
--w------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 notepg
-rw------- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 regs
-r--r--r-- 1 dkelly dkelly 0 Nov 20 13:50 status
PeeCee: {1127} ls -li /proc/3916/file /usr/bin/more
7860 -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 36864 Nov 19 01:54 /proc/3916/file*
7860 -r-xr-xr-x 1 bin bin 36864 Nov 19 01:54 /usr/bin/more*
PeeCee: {1128}
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Attempting to build a kernel checked out at RELENG_2_2 with
Soundblaster support, the build fails looking for "awe.h". Am I
losing because I don't have the Attic directories and this was nuked,
or has nobody checked this?
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Michael Smith wrote:
>
> Attempting to build a kernel checked out at RELENG_2_2 with
> Soundblaster support, the build fails looking for "awe.h". Am I
> losing because I don't have the Attic directories and this was nuked,
> or has nobody checked this?
The fix is to add teh following line to
files.i386
i386/isa/sound/awe_wave.c optional awe device-driver
>
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Bruce Evans wrote:
>
> >I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't
> >understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR)
>
> Yes it does:
>
> int main(argc, argv)
> int achar **argv;
> {
> int foo;
> ; /* end declarations to get frame allocated */
> #asm
OK, that's the magic keyword.
> ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's
> ; for x >= 3.
> mov ax,_main.argc[sp]
> mov bx,_main.argv[sp]
> mov cx,_main.foo[sp]
> mov dx,1
> ...
> #endasm
> }
>
> >and I'm not very familar
> >with the unix assembler.
>
> It doesn't use "the" unix assembler.
I see.
>
> >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like
> >the 'far' masm statement)?
>
> No. It only supports pure tiny and small models.
So I have to generate the 32bit asm 'by hand' using 'db' statements.
How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files?
Christian.
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Justin,
I have been experiencing strange behavior with dump on my -current system.
This is the same system I have been talking to you about with the SCB
pageing code. I am still running the (11/15) level of -current
[unix Thu 3:19am]:/home/kmitch# dump 0df 61000 /dev/null /
DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Thu Nov 21 03:20:12 1996
DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd0a (/) to /dev/null
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 34496 tape blocks on 0.05 tape(s).
DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
DUMP: read error from /dev/rsd0a: Input/output error: [block 9376]: count=8192
DUMP: DUMP: 34501 tape blocks on 1 volumes(s)
DUMP: finished in 45 seconds, throughput 766 KBytes/sec
DUMP: Closing /dev/null
DUMP: DUMP IS DONE
I don't think this is the drive. I have re-lowlevel'd the drive and
reconstructed the file system and still get these errors. During the
process, I booted from a 2.1.5 disk and I could run dump without any
problems at all. I also ran Adaptec's verify utility to make sure there
were no media defects and it couldn't find any.
Any Idea what may have caused this??
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>> ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's
>> ; for x >= 3.
>> mov ax,_main.argc[sp]
This actually needs to use esp, since [sp] doesn't work on any x86. Clear
the high 16 bits of esp before using it and pray that interrupt handlers
don't change them.
>> >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like
>> >the 'far' masm statement)?
>>
>> No. It only supports pure tiny and small models.
>
>So I have to generate the 32bit asm 'by hand' using 'db' statements.
I meant that the compiler doesn't support it. The assembler supports
all modes.
>How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files?
No.
Bruce
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At 14.44 21/11/96 +1030, Michael Smith wrote:
>
>Attempting to build a kernel checked out at RELENG_2_2 with
>Soundblaster support, the build fails looking for "awe.h". Am I
>losing because I don't have the Attic directories and this was nuked,
>or has nobody checked this?
>
I said it a week ago but none answered me a solution, what about a fix ctm
for this ?
Thanks very much ...
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>In "man 3 end"
>[snip]
>DESCRIPTION
> The global variables end, extext and edata correspond to the the
> ^-- extra "x" (?)
>Meanwhile I still don't understand what end, etext, and edata contain.
They are addresses, not variables. They can't quite be declared in C,
but the declarations in the man page are worse than necessary -
`extern foo;' means `extern int foo;' but there are no ints involved.
The declarations should be:
extern void etext(); /* or maybe extern char etext[]; */
extern char edata[];
extern char end[];
These labels are intialized at link time by ld(1). They don't have
much to do with brk(2) or malloc(3). Some pointers for brk() and
sbrk() are initialized to `end'.
The HISTORY section says that the `end' _manual_ appeared in V6.
>gdb reports end is an int function.
This is wrong too. etext is sort of an int function because it is in
the text section, but `end' is in the data section.
Bruce
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As Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0?
^^^^^^^
> > NFSv3 has been deliberately
> > left out of the entire 2.1.X line.
>
> I thought it was on the CDROM in the "experimental" branch.
Lame excuse. ;) experimental != release.
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As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote:
> > method to automatically generate the header files out of the genuine
> > headers, so they can't disagree. It would be even better if we could
>
> Yeah, that would be fine ;-)
Well, is it more than just the LF -> CRLF conversion? This one should
be fairly simple.
> I tried to port fbsdboot to bcc a year ago. Unfortunately, bcc doesn't
> understand inline assembler statements (AFAIR) and I'm not very familar
> with the unix assembler. Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like
> the 'far' masm statement)?
bcc ain't a DOS compiler. However, you can at least generate .com
files with it using a little dd(1) trickery. See the pcemu port for
how this can be done.
Of course, you can also stuff the asm source into separate object
modules if you don't prefer Bruce's inline asm suggestions.
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Bruce Evans wrote:
>
> >> ; Offsets are relative to sp so they are only easy to use on x86's
> >> ; for x >= 3.
> >> mov ax,_main.argc[sp]
>
> This actually needs to use esp, since [sp] doesn't work on any x86. Clear
> the high 16 bits of esp before using it and pray that interrupt handlers
> don't change them.
:)
>
> >> >Does bcc support 32bit pointers/addresses (like
> >> >the 'far' masm statement)?
> >>
> >> No. It only supports pure tiny and small models.
> >
> >So I have to generate the 32bit asm 'by hand' using 'db' statements.
>
> I meant that the compiler doesn't support it. The assembler supports
> all modes.
So I can use any x86 (where x >= 3) asm statement (mov's to cr0, ...) in
the inline assembler?
>
> >How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files?
>
> No.
Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)?
Thanks,
Christian.
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>Justin,
>
>I have been experiencing strange behavior with dump on my -current system.
>This is the same system I have been talking to you about with the SCB
>pageing code. I am still running the (11/15) level of -current
Try my lastest changes to the driver that I committed last night.
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From: Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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Subject: my world build stucks - vi.ref
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Any idea what might be screwed with my /usr/src tree when I get this:
===> share/doc/usd/13.viref
# Build index.so, side-effect of building the paper.
sed -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(vi.ref\)$:\1/usr/src/share/doc/usd/
13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\
\ ][\ \ ]*\)\(ex.cmd.roff\)$:\1/usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../..
/../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \][\ \ ]*\)\(
ref.so\)$:\1/usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/
USD.doc/vi.ref/\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(set.opt.roff\)$:\1/us
r/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/
\2:' -e\ 's:\(\.so[\ \ ][\ \ ]*\)\(vi.cmd.roff\)$:\1/usr/
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:' -e 's:^\.so index.so$::' /usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/../../../../c
ontrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref | groff -Tlp -t -s -me -o1- > /dev/
null
groff: can't find `DESC' file
groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp'
*** Error code 3
Stop.
*** Error code 1
--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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>So I can use any x86 (where x >= 3) asm statement (mov's to cr0, ...) in
>the inline assembler?
Only for 0 <= x <= 4.
>Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)?
No. Just use the simple version of printf in the standard bootstrap, and
DOS calls for file descriptor i/o and BIOS calls for console i/o.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: NFS 3.0 ?
To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch)
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> > > > > Wich release will contain NFS version 3.0?
> ^^^^^^^
> > > NFSv3 has been deliberately
> > > left out of the entire 2.1.X line.
> >
> > I thought it was on the CDROM in the "experimental" branch.
>
> Lame excuse. ;) experimental != release.
Should I underline "contain" and post this back? ...Naw. 8-).
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Hi Poul-Henning
CC Current
Reference:
> From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.tfs.com>
> Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:50:31 +0100
>
> In message <9611190816.AA13849@wavehh.hanse.de>, Martin Cracauer writes:
> >
> >ctm cvs-cur.2716.gz
> > FN: CVSROOT/val-tags md5 mismatch.
> > FN: CVSROOT/val-tags edit returned 1.
> >Exit(73)
>
> There is an unfortunate error on delta 2716.
>
> Please run these commands before applying the delta:
>
> echo 'RELENG_2_1_0 y' > $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
> echo 'HEAD y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
> echo 'JULIAN_HACK y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
> echo 'SCSI y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
> echo 'ALLMAN y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
Will a subsequent or re-issued cvs-cur.[] self correct ( I hope ) ?
Or do CTM-CVS recipients need to make careful note of this in our private
local directory archives of received ctm diffs ?
IE when people blow away their local cvs tree & try to rebuild,
will this (example) be sufficient :
(A)
ctm ......./cvs-cur.1500A.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.1[5-9]*
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[0-9]*
or will this be necessary:
(B)
ctm ......./cvs-cur.1500A.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.1[5-9]*.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[0-6]*.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.270*.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.271[1-5].gz
echo 'RELENG_2_1_0 y' > $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
echo 'HEAD y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
echo 'JULIAN_HACK y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
echo 'SCSI y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
echo 'ALLMAN y' >> $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/val-tags
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.271[6-9].gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.27[2-9]*.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[8-9]*.gz
ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.3*.gz
Hoping (A) is sufficient :-)
Julian
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Hmph. I cvsup'd -current this morning. Built a kernel.
P120, 128MB RAM,
It's panicing with "supervisor write, page not present, right after the
"REAL MEMORY = 13417720".
If somebody needs all the gobbledygook, I can write it down.
I have "MAXMEM=131072" in my kernel config file.
A kernel from a couple days ago (albeit/w/o the maxmem option) boots and
runs fine.
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Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:03:18 +0100 (MET)
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As Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> ontrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref | groff -Tlp -t -s -me -o1- > /dev/
> null
> groff: can't find `DESC' file
> groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp'
> *** Error code 3
Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER.
If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me
again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk.
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As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote:
> > >How about libraries? Is it possible to link DOS libs and/or obj files?
> >
> > No.
>
> Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)?
What about compiling a subset of libc with bcc? I'm even willing to
make this a `port' so you could install a package instead of fiddling
everything inside dosboot (fbsdboot).
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Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref
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>
> Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER.
>
> If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me
> again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk.
Please! Do it *NOW*! *grin*
Nate
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According to Christoph Kukulies:
> ontrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref | groff -Tlp -t -s -me -o1- > /dev/
^^^^
> null
> groff: can't find `DESC' file
> groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp'
unsetenv PRINTER should be good.
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Just another data point: FreeBSD 2.2-Alpha and XFree86-32 on a P-166
with an adaptec 2940 controller, SCSI disk, 3C900 ethernet, a Matrox
Millenium, and a two-button PS/2 mouse. Pretty much a vanilla kernel
and XF86Config.
Mostly things are working great!
However, every now and then X gets weird. The odd stuff seems to
start when I'm doing things that involve a lot of `clicking the
mouse'. Once the weird stuff starts, <Ctrl>-<Alt>-<Bkspc> is the only
way out. Some of the things that have happened include:
* the pointer jumps toward the upper right corner.
* windows act as if they got a button events.
* the keyboard stops working. Or rather, it generates seemingly
random characters.
* the pointer starts moving in `slow motion'.
Sorry I can't characterize things better; I'm still looking for the
pattern to the behavior.
I'm not sure what to blame. Am I seeing a bug in FreeBSD? XFree86??
Is the video card the culprit???
Any thoughts or pointers to where I should look to find better clues?
tim
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From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
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Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote:
> > Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER.
> >
> > If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me
> > again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk.
>
> Please! Do it *NOW*! *grin*
Yes, please. Watch out though, some Makefiles in the doc tree
fiddle directly with the PRINTER variable so just changing it in
bsd.doc.mk may break some things. I looked at changing it once,
but never got around to it.
I might also suggest FORMATS rather than the singular form. The
way bsd.sgml.mk works is that all specified formats (eg
FORMATS="html ps") get built and/or installed in one pass. Since
you can get ascii, latin1, postscript, and others out of groff,
it may be applicable for other docs as well.
At one point in history, Makefile at the top of the doc tree made
two passes over the subdirectories, once with PRINTER=ascii and
once with PRINTER=ps. Needless to say, this wasn't very
flexible, but removing the explicit setting of PRINTER (which
overrides the environment variable) has caused some grief.
-john
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(Why the heck did you move this to -current?!)
As Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Will a subsequent or re-issued cvs-cur.[] self correct ( I hope ) ?
Nope. Think about it, it's impossible. Once cvs-cur.XXXX didn't
apply, no other subsequent delta will apply.
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From: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
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Apologies to Poul and Jordan for jumping in again on the 2.2 branch, but
they did ask for help. :)
First of all, I picked -current for this email, but I'm not sure if it's
appropriate. Do we still continue to post stuff here for 2.2?
In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the
sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while
trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in
it), and it failed to compile.
I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me
know.
Nate
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From: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
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Tim Singletary writes:
> Just another data point: FreeBSD 2.2-Alpha
..
> a two-button PS/2 mouse.
...
Pretty much a vanilla kernel
> However, every now and then X gets weird. The odd stuff seems to
> start when I'm doing things that involve a lot of `clicking the
> mouse'. Once the weird stuff starts, <Ctrl>-<Alt>-<Bkspc> is the only
> way out. Some of the things that have happened include:
There are known bugs w/regards to syscons and the PS/2 mouse which are
partially fixed in both 2.2 and -current. However, the 'fixes' are also
causing other problems which are being worked on.
Nate
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From: Ville Eerola <ville@vlsi.fi>
To: Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref
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Christoph Kukulies writes:
>
> Any idea what might be screwed with my /usr/src tree when I get this:
> ===> share/doc/usd/13.viref
[...]
> groff: can't find `DESC' file
> groff:fatal error: invalid device `lp'
> *** Error code 3
>
> Stop.
> *** Error code 1
It's the same problem that has bugged me too often when making world.
Undefine your PRINTER environment variable. Or otherwise put something
like:
PRINTER= ascii
in your /etc/make.conf
It's only too bad that the system build uses a variable that is also used
by the lpr-family programs for everyday work :-( It would be much
better to use a variable something like 'DOCS_FORMAT' for the purpose
of formatting the documents.
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My 2.2 laptop has locked up twice in the last 2 days with routed killing
off my network card. It doesn't say anything, but all networking
stops. If I do an 'ifconfig zp0 down' it'll then spit out the message
to the console, but then the machine is hosed.
It also corrupted my kernel binary the first time.
*sigh*
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Nate
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Nate Williams stands accused of saying:
>
> In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the
> sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while
> trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in
> it), and it failed to compile.
I ran into that yesterday, and Julian posted a response. I've been
building as many 2.2A systems as I can, but so far that's been the
only problem (other than a bad sup).
> I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me
> know.
Ta. If I'm lucky, I'll get your commits when I CVSup in an hour or so,
and I'll do a test build then.
> Nate
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Nate Williams wrote:
>
> > When I did a cvsup again on the /usr/src/sys tree the other day when I
> > sent you my results it was 1.189 for sure. Same tbl junk on login at
> > the keyboard, had to do a hardware reset/reboot.
>
> S'ren and I are both on it, we hope to have something *soon*, but I'm
> really strapped for time to work on it right now.
>
> Nate
-Nate,
I have noticed that with 1.89 syscons.c I can take my P6 200 down
to 10% idle (top 3.4) by just moving an rxvt term with the PS/2 mouse.
The older
driver did not do that as far as I know. Anyone else with a PS/2 mouse
or seiral mouse for that mater notice this?
Ron
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From: David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>
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On 17:50:14 J Wunsch wrote:
>>As David Kelly wrote:
>
>> PeeCee: {1006} mail
>> Mail version 8.1 6/6/93. Type ? for help.
>> "/var/mail/dkelly": 3 messages 3 new
>> >N 1 dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52 12/385 "test1"
>> N 2 dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52 12/385 "test2"
>> N 3 dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52 12/385 "test3"
>> & d 2
>> Message 3:
>> >From dkelly Fri Nov 15 16:52:57 1996
>> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:52:57 -0600 (CST)
>> From: David Kelly <dkelly>
>
>...strange. I cannot reproduce it, it works as expected for me.
Well, hanging my head in shame, I found it. Operator error. Stupid
simple little thing as ~/.mailrc and /usr/share/skel/dot.mailrc
have this little line that escaped my notice:
set append ask autoprint
"autoprint" was the culprit. Needless to say, autoprint is not
the behaviour I've come to expect of Mail. OTOH, I'll never forget
its meaning now.
--
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=====================================================================
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From: "Jasper O'Malley" <jooji@nebula.noc.webspan.net>
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Subject: Xanim 2.70.6.3 on 2.2-961014-SNAP
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Anyone else having problems running Xanim on current? This is what I get:
% xanim foo.mov
XAnim Rev 2.70.6.3 by Mark Podlipec (c) 1991-1996
Bad system call (core dumped)
The core image is rather useless, and I've already recompiled. Any ideas?
Cheers,
Mick
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From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
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To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
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Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote:
> In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the
> sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while
> trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in
> it), and it failed to compile.
>
> I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me
> know.
I just cvsupped RELENG_2_2 (kernel) and...
In file included from ../../i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h:31,
from ../../i386/isa/sound/dev_table.c:31:
../../i386/isa/sound/local.h:80: awe.h: No such file or directory
Which was caused by Jordan's commit:
Break my own rule again - I didn't think this stuff was going to come back
with the copyright stuff fixed so soon (this should be merged into 2.2 when
you have a chance, Poul).
which was apparently broken and then propogated to the RELENG_2_2 branch. :(
-john
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote:
> I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me
> know.
I see now, part of Jordan's awe commit to -current included
file.i386 but that one piece was not brought forward to
RELENG_2_2 while the rest of the commit was.
-john
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Jasper O'Malley wrote:
>
> Anyone else having problems running Xanim on current? This is what I get:
>
> % xanim foo.mov
> XAnim Rev 2.70.6.3 by Mark Podlipec (c) 1991-1996
> Bad system call (core dumped)
>
> The core image is rather useless, and I've already recompiled. Any ideas?
Enable shared memory in your kernel -- XAnim started working for me after
I enabled the shmem stuff to get GIMP working. I also moved to the
2.2-ALPHA at the same time, but I'm pretty sure it's shared memory from
the sounds of the "Bad system call" message. I think there's also a way to
turn of XAnims use of shared memory with a flag..
Hope that helps,
-Mark
>
> Cheers,
> Mick
>
> The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webspan.net
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> Webspan, Inc. woowoo:http://www.webspan.net/~jooji
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> (Why the heck did you move this to -current?!)
>
> As Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>
> > Will a subsequent or re-issued cvs-cur.[] self correct ( I hope ) ?
>
> Nope. Think about it, it's impossible. Once cvs-cur.XXXX didn't
> apply, no other subsequent delta will apply.
>
But you can send a second (fixed) one with the same number and on most
systems it will just overwrite the previous one and everything will be
working. :-) :-) (Not that I'm suggesting that it be done.)
John
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Hello.
I am currently working on the `psm' driver and the `kbdio' module for
the `syscons' and the `psm' drivers.
>> > When I did a cvsup again on the /usr/src/sys tree the other day when I
>> > sent you my results it was 1.189 for sure. Same tbl junk on login at
>> > the keyboard, had to do a hardware reset/reboot.
Have you, by any chance, set the XT_KEYBD flag during UserConfig or
in your config file?
>I have noticed that with 1.89 syscons.c I can take my P6 200 down
>to 10% idle (top 3.4) by just moving an rxvt term with the PS/2 mouse.
>The older
>driver did not do that as far as I know. Anyone else with a PS/2 mouse
>or seiral mouse for that mater notice this?
This may have something to do with the report rate of the PS/2 mouse.
The new `psm' driver explicitly sets the report rate to 100
reports/sec. (This doesn't necessarily mean the mouse will generate
100 interrupts per sec. It is quiet while no movement is detected.)
I thought 100 is acceptable value, because the older driver DID have
code to set the report rate this way. But the code was commented out.
I guess that that part of the driver didn't work because it sent a
wrong sequence of command and data to the mouse. I thought "OK, 100
was the value originally intended; I shall make it work..."
If 100 reports/sec is too high, we can try:
1. Lower rate
But, some PS/2 mouse cannot change the rate to anything less than 100.
Some of my PS/2 mouses certainly cannot.
2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default
Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?).
(I also remember seeing a document stating 100 is the default after
reset, and thinking it wouldn't do any harm explicitly setting the
value. But, I don't remember which doc it was.)
Kazu
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> I am currently working on the `psm' driver and the `kbdio' module for
> the `syscons' and the `psm' drivers.
And a mighty fine job I might add. :)
> >> > When I did a cvsup again on the /usr/src/sys tree the other day when I
> >> > sent you my results it was 1.189 for sure. Same tbl junk on login at
> >> > the keyboard, had to do a hardware reset/reboot.
>
> Have you, by any chance, set the XT_KEYBD flag during UserConfig or
> in your config file?
I'm using it w/out any problems on one of my test boxes.
> 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default
> Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?).
Can you send a patch to the reporter to do this and see if it fixes the
problem?
Nate
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Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2
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> On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote:
>
> > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me
> > know.
>
> I see now, part of Jordan's awe commit to -current included
> file.i386 but that one piece was not brought forward to
> RELENG_2_2 while the rest of the commit was.
That as well as some changes to i386/include/soundcard.h
Both are now part of RELENG_2_2, and should have been picked up by your
cvsup update.
Nate
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In-Reply-To: <199611211634.IAA02871@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Nov 21, 96 08:34:51 am"
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> >Justin,
> >
> >I have been experiencing strange behavior with dump on my -current system.
> >This is the same system I have been talking to you about with the SCB
> >pageing code. I am still running the (11/15) level of -current
>
> Try my lastest changes to the driver that I committed last night.
This fixed this problem, but I still get errors with TAGGED QUEUING and
SCB PAGING turned on.. This last time it was timeout while idle errors.
I believe if I turn TAGGED QUEUEING off it works. Will let you know if
anything changes.
The only time I get this to occur (regularly) is during the amanda backup. My
machine acts as the backup server for 4 other machines.
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From: Stephen McKay <syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au>
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Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken
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"Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>> There is an unfortunate error on delta 2716.
>IE when people blow away their local cvs tree & try to rebuild,
>will this (example) be sufficient :
>(A)
> ctm ......./cvs-cur.1500A.gz
> ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.1[5-9]*
> ctm ......./xx/cvs-cur.2[0-9]*
>Hoping (A) is sufficient :-)
Regenerating the deltas is pretty much impossible, since most people have
managed to get past the problem. However, I have faked up a CTM delta that
can be inserted between 2715 and 2716 to fix the problem for those people
(like me) who were missing CVSROOT/val-tags, and might want to start over
from scratch (due to bad disks or sudden finger trouble).
I call it 'cvs-cur.2716+val-tags.hack' so that it sorts between
cvs-cur.2715.gz and cvs-cur.2716.gz. Any similar sorting name will do.
Voila! Your (A) scenario is fulfilled.
--snip--
CTM_BEGIN 2.0 cvs-cur 2716 19961118210000Z .
CTMFM CVSROOT/val-tags 633 552 664 8f1e5fc47ec0d2efa49234192d1cf9c9 52
RELENG_2_1_0 y
HEAD y
JULIAN_HACK y
SCSI y
ALLMAN y
CTM_END 4da2de1d94fa81145a224934bec69d49
--snip--
Stephen.
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Bruce Evans wrote:
>
> >So I can use any x86 (where x >= 3) asm statement (mov's to cr0, ...) in
> >the inline assembler?
>
> Only for 0 <= x <= 4.
OK, that's enough!
>
> >Is there any standard c library I can use (eg. to use printf, and file i/o)?
>
> No. Just use the simple version of printf in the standard bootstrap, and
> DOS calls for file descriptor i/o and BIOS calls for console i/o.
>
> Bruce
I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the version I have
only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there any converter available which
converts ANSI-C to K&R?
Thanks,
Christian.
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Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken
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Hi Julian,
If you had subscribed to "ctm-announce" like you should have if you
receive ctm deltas from the freebsd project, you would have know
this already.
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Subject: Re: ctm-cvs-cur dealta 2716 broken
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>or will this be necessary:
>(B)
yes it may be necessary. I havn't tried.
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Subject: Re: my world build stucks - vi.ref
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In message <199611212258.PAA12510@rocky.mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes:
>>
>> Welcome to the club. undef PRINTER.
>>
>> If nobody objects (and suggests something better), and it bites me
>> again, i'll rename the usage of $(PRINTER) to $(FORMAT) in bsd.doc.mk.
>
>Please! Do it *NOW*! *grin*
Please not "FORMAT", use something more specific, "PRINTER_FORMAT"
for instance.
Ohh, and yes, please do it now :-)
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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>I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the version I have
>only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there any converter available which
>converts ANSI-C to K&R?
Yes. None that I know of. Ask Joerg to convert biosboot back to K&R :-).
Then you can copy it for more than half the code.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me
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As Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote:
> If 100 reports/sec is too high, we can try:
> 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default
> Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?).
I think that's the best. Van Gilluwe explicitly mentions that setting
the mouse sample rate is only supported on some systems.
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Hello,
Since the last change in syslogd, The first su command generates an error
in /var/log/messages speaking about /dev/console. xconsole does not always
report messages from su.
reverting to previous version of syslogd solved the problem.
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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As DI. Christian Gusenbauer wrote:
> I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the
> version I have only supports K&R standard. Is this right?
Yes, it is.
> Is there any converter available which converts ANSI-C to K&R?
unprotoize. It's part of the gcc distribution.
j@uriah 276% cat > foo.c
#include <stdio.h>
int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
printf("Hello world!\n");
return 0;
}
^D
j@uriah 277% unprotoize foo.c
unprotoize: compiling `foo.c'
unprotoize: converting file `foo.c'
j@uriah 278% cat foo.c
#include <stdio.h>
int
main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
printf("Hello world!\n");
return 0;
}
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Subject: Re: Sound-code merge in 2.2
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This probably just requires awe.h to be tagged into 2.2 - I'll
bet that phk got the diffs but forgot the new files. My connection
here is too painful to do it, so either of you may feel free or I will
do it when I get back on Sunday.
Jordan
> On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Nate Williams wrote:
>
> > In any case, apparently no-one is testing out the 2.2 bits since the
> > sound-code has been busted for almost a week now. I found it while
> > trying to hunt down the syscons bugs (my test box has a sound-card in
> > it), and it failed to compile.
> >
> > I *think* I got it all merged in now, but if you have problems let me
> > know.
>
> I just cvsupped RELENG_2_2 (kernel) and...
>
> In file included from ../../i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h:31,
> from ../../i386/isa/sound/dev_table.c:31:
> ../../i386/isa/sound/local.h:80: awe.h: No such file or directory
>
> Which was caused by Jordan's commit:
>
> Break my own rule again - I didn't think this stuff was going to come back
> with the copyright stuff fixed so soon (this should be merged into 2.2 when
> you have a chance, Poul).
>
> which was apparently broken and then propogated to the RELENG_2_2 branch. :(
>
> -john
>
> == jfieber@indiana.edu ===========================================
> == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================
>
>
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>> Try my lastest changes to the driver that I committed last night.
>
>This fixed this problem, but I still get errors with TAGGED QUEUING and
>SCB PAGING turned on.. This last time it was timeout while idle errors.
>I believe if I turn TAGGED QUEUEING off it works. Will let you know if
>anything changes.
>
>The only time I get this to occur (regularly) is during the amanda backup. My
>machine acts as the backup server for 4 other machines.
Sup again and let me know if tonights changes make any difference.
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Subject: Re: boot: -c does not work for me
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From: Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>
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>> 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default
>> Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?).
>
>Can you send a patch to the reporter to do this and see if it fixes the
>problem?
>
>
>
>Nate
Here is a patch to `psm.c'. Report rate and counter resolution are
both left as default. In terms of report rate and counter resolution,
the driver now works as the previous `psm' driver.
--- psm.c-1.29 Fri Nov 22 17:36:15 1996
+++ psm.c Fri Nov 22 17:37:19 1996
@@ -582,7 +582,7 @@
sc->hw.buttons = get_mouse_buttons(ioport);
/* set mouse parameters */
-
+#if 0
/* FIXME:XXX I don't know if these parameters are reasonable */
/* FIXME:XXX should we set them in `psmattach()' rather than here? */
sc->mode.rate = set_mouse_sampling_rate(ioport, PSMD_DEFAULT_RATE);
@@ -590,6 +590,10 @@
set_mouse_resolution(ioport, PSMD_DEFAULT_RESOLUTION);
set_mouse_scaling(ioport); /* 1:1 scaling */
set_mouse_mode(ioport); /* stream mode */
+#else
+ sc->mode.rate = -1;
+ sc->mode.resolution = -1;
+#endif
/* just check the status of the mouse */
if (verbose) {
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From: Jaye Mathisen <mrcpu@cdsnet.net>
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Subject: AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEe redux. Problem found, but solution?
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OK, through the process of 8 kazillion kernel builds, I've narrowed it
down to the following kernel config line:
#options "NMBCLUSTERS='4096'"
Uncomment that baby, and kaboom. Comment it out, and it boots fine.
For whatever reason, that line is in my BSD/OS box, I just don't recall
why. And since I'm migrating one of my last couple of holdouts of BSD/OS
to FreeBSD, most of the config's got copied across.
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Subject: Re: AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEe redux. Problem found, but solution?
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:54:24 +1030 (CST)
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Jaye Mathisen stands accused of saying:
>
>
> OK, through the process of 8 kazillion kernel builds, I've narrowed it
> down to the following kernel config line:
>
> #options "NMBCLUSTERS='4096'"
I would suggest removing the quotes.
lovely:/sys/compile/LOVELY>grep NMBCLUSTERS *.[ch]
param.c:#ifndef NMBCLUSTERS
param.c:#define NMBCLUSTERS (512 + MAXUSERS * 16)
param.c:int nmbclusters = NMBCLUSTERS;
param.c:int nmbufs = NMBCLUSTERS * (MCLBYTES / MSIZE);
...
lovely:/tmp>cat foo.c
#include <stdio.h>
void main(void)
{
int foo = '4096';
printf("foo is %d\n",foo);
}
lovely:/tmp>gcc -o foo foo.c
foo.c: In function `main':
foo.c:5: warning: multi-character character constant
lovely:/tmp>./foo
foo is 875575606
No idea how your BSD/OS box dealt with that...
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From: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser)
To: thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer)
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On Nov 20, thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer) wrote:
> - Fix PCI bus probing
> - The first time I boot FreeBSD it fails to detect my
> PCI bus and hence my NCR SCSI card and hence my
> SCSI HDDs. On the second boot (which I have put
> into /etc/rc) it probes the PCI bus ALWAYS !
PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem.
Please send more details about your system (chip set,
peripherals, ...). The most important information is
the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send
me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the
"/var/log/messages" file ...)
Regards, STefan
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For those that'd like to try out the new AWE driver in 2.2 and -current,
I uploaded these ports to ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming last night:
awemidi.tar.gz
awesfx.tar.gz
gmod-awe.tar.gz
playmidi-awe.tar.gz
Ignore awedrv-0.1.6-port.tgz (also in incoming) -- it's an old driver port
that needs deleted.
Randall
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To: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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In message <199611220731.SAA15958@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Bruce Evans writes:
: >I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the version I have
: >only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there any converter available which
: >converts ANSI-C to K&R?
:
: Yes. None that I know of. Ask Joerg to convert biosboot back to K&R :-).
: Then you can copy it for more than half the code.
Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? Or are
there things other than the prototypes that are new to Ansi-C that
will trip you up?
Warner
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From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
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I just built a RELENG_2_2 kernel and discovered that after
booting with -c (user config), keyboard input is broken (typing
generates garbage). I'm beginning to agree with Nate's
observation that apparently nobody is actually using the
RELENG_2_2 branch....
Kernel config below.
-john
== jfieber@indiana.edu ===========================================
== http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================
machine "i386"
cpu "I586_CPU"
ident FALLOUT
maxusers 15
options CHILD_MAX=128
options OPEN_MAX=128
options "COMPAT_43"
options USER_LDT
options SYSVSHM #SYSV shared memory
options SYSVSEM #SYSV semaphores
options SYSVMSG #SYSV messages
options KTRACE #Kernel syscall tracing
options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console
options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor
options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor
options INET #InterNETworking
options NETATALK #AppleTalk
options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options DEVFS
config kernel root on sd0
# ISA Bus
controller isa0
options "AUTO_EOI_1"
options "AUTO_EOI_2"
options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers
# PCI Bus
controller pci0
# Floppy disk controller
controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr
disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0
# SCSI Controller and devices
controller ncr0
controller scbus0 at ncr0
device sd0
device st0
device cd0
options SCSI_DELAY=5 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device
# Syscons console driver (SCO compatible)
device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr
# Math processor
device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr
# Serial ports
device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr
device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr
# Parallel ports
device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr
# Ethernet
device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr
# Sound card
controller snd0
device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 10 drq 1 vector sbintr
device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 6
device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x300
device opl0 at isa? port 0x388
# Pseudo devices
pseudo-device loop # loopback device
pseudo-device ether # core ethernet code
pseudo-device log # system logging
pseudo-device pty 32 # pseudo terminals
pseudo-device speaker # PC speaker interface
pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's
pseudo-device vn # vnode driver (turns a file into a device)
pseudo-device bpfilter 4 # Berkeley packet filter device
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Nate Williams wrote:
> There are known bugs w/regards to syscons and the PS/2 mouse which are
> partially fixed in both 2.2 and -current. However, the 'fixes' are also
> causing other problems which are being worked on.
Is there anything I can do to help out? Since the problem shows up
pretty easily on my system, I might be useful as a test site. Or, if
someone can aim me in the right direction, I don't mind digging
through source code!
tim
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> > There are known bugs w/regards to syscons and the PS/2 mouse which are
> > partially fixed in both 2.2 and -current. However, the 'fixes' are also
> > causing other problems which are being worked on.
>
> Is there anything I can do to help out? Since the problem shows up
> pretty easily on my system, I might be useful as a test site. Or, if
> someone can aim me in the right direction, I don't mind digging
> through source code!
Talk to S'ren or Poul, I'm outta the picture w/regard to 2.2.
Nate
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To: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: broken userconfig in RELENG_2_2?
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> I just built a RELENG_2_2 kernel and discovered that after
> booting with -c (user config), keyboard input is broken (typing
> generates garbage).
Known problem, and S'ren is now working on it.
Nate
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> Sup again and let me know if tonights changes make any difference.
Well,
I haven't had a chance to try the backup yet, but I am receiving the following
errors while trying to do a make world:
Nov 22 10:33:23 unix /kernel: spec_getpages: I/O read error
Nov 22 10:33:23 unix /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 14399 failure
Nov 22 11:59:21 unix /kernel: spec_getpages: I/O read error
Nov 22 11:59:21 unix /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 14775 failure
All of the errors SEEM to be occuring on ONE drive (the FAST WIDE 7200RPM one)
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Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote:
>
> >> 2. Don't try to set the rate, use the power-up default
> >> Basically the old driver did this (was it a bug or a feature?).
> >
> >Can you send a patch to the reporter to do this and see if it fixes the
> >problem?
> >
> >
> >
> >Nate
>
> Here is a patch to `psm.c'. Report rate and counter resolution are
> both left as default. In terms of report rate and counter resolution,
> the driver now works as the previous `psm' driver.
Kazutaka
Well I tried it (the patch). The mouse now moves very slowly
(accelleration rate).
I set xset m for an adjustment but did not like the responses (jerky).
The
non-patched version is more responsive and gives better linear
accelleration than
the patched version. I can still take the machine down to below 10% idle
by just
moving the mouse rapidly while grabing an xterm window bar. I still have
the same problem of not being able to login if I use the "-c" boot
option.
Ron
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Quoth J. Wunsch on Tue, 19 November:
: As Ralf Luettgen wrote:
:
: > Wich Release will contain SMP?
:
: 3.0
:
Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule
for that one? ;-)
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To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball)
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>
> Quoth J. Wunsch on Tue, 19 November:
> : As Ralf Luettgen wrote:
> :
> : > Wich Release will contain SMP?
> :
> : 3.0
> :
>
> Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule
> for that one? ;-)
>
I have been talking to them, and if they want, most of my work for 3.0
can be directed towards things that will enable/help the SMP guys get their
stuff in. I'll drop any LFS/VFS layer/VM or anything else to help...
Considering the progress that they are making and how important SMP is,
IMO, nothing should be allowed to get in their way... I think that they
are on a winning track...
John
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I submitted this... and I haven't seen a response on a fix being commited
for it... the fix is really basic and probably should be added to prevent
large servers from having problems on reboot... basicly the current
/etc/rc doesn't reset the permissions on ALL possibly pty's... I just
mention this as 2.2 is close around the conner... thanks for taking the
time to read this message... ttyl..
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
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> >I played a little bit with bcc yesterday and found out, that the
> >version I have only supports K&R standard. Is this right? Is there
> >any converter available which converts ANSI-C to K&R?
>
> Yes. None that I know of. Ask Joerg to convert biosboot back to K&R :-).
> Then you can copy it for more than half the code.
Thank you, gentlemen; you have provided me with the first irrefutable
example of why prototypes should be conditional in all cases.
For non-ANSI compilers, people generating new code should continue to
use cdefs.h. If you have need of cdefs.h varradic declaration
macros... I have them. Let me know.
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> Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this? Or are
> there things other than the prototypes that are new to Ansi-C that
> will trip you up?
I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an
unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward
ANSI code, not away.
Depending on the compiler and the code, you may see problems with
const, volatile, and structure assignments. There are also problems
with agregate initialization of structure arrays (it works in K&R using
"{" based scoping, but fails in GCC).
Going *to* ANSI, you will see problems with the optimizer assuming
that it can promote things to register if they are not marked volatile;
this is a real problem for things like signal handlers which set state
(any external reference in a signal handler is, by definition, a
volatile reference; silly to have to explicitly mark each datum,
isn't it.. ;-)).
Actually, you're probably in a better position to documnet FreeBSD
dependencies on semantics than I am, since you're the BCC user...
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As Tony Kimball wrote:
> : > Wich Release will contain SMP?
> :
> : 3.0
> Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule
> for that one? ;-)
Well, you didn't notice we're already in ``3.0-current'' these days.
We are. (SMP being the main reason for the major # bump.)
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As Terry Lambert wrote:
> > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this?
> I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an
> unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward
> ANSI code, not away.
Well, thinking doesn't exactly seem to be your best task these days,
Terry? :-))
protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc
distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special
shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C
notation.
> Depending on the compiler and the code, you may see problems with
> const, volatile, and structure assignments. There are also problems
> with agregate initialization of structure arrays (it works in K&R using
> "{" based scoping, but fails in GCC).
You forgot the split strings. Something like
char foo[] = "This should \x1b" "creset your ANSI terminal.\n";
...which couldn't be expressed unambiguously in pre-ANSI C.
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> > > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this?
>
> > I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an
> > unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward
> > ANSI code, not away.
>
> Well, thinking doesn't exactly seem to be your best task these days,
> Terry? :-))
>
> protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc
> distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special
> shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C
> notation.
Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)?
% man 1 unprotoize
No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual
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On 22 Nov 17:29, Terry Lambert writes:
> Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)?
>
> % man 1 unprotoize
> No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual
This tells you nothing.
$ ls /usr/src/contrib/gcc/*proto*
[...and other files...]
/usr/src/contrib/gcc/protoize.c /usr/src/contrib/gcc/unprotoize.c
Documentation is in texinfo format, as should be expected.
In a standard gcc install, you would get the unprotoize program.
The fact that FreeBSD does not should be counted as a bug.
- Arne H. J.
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Hi,
>> : > Wich Release will contain SMP?
>> :
>> : 3.0
hopefully...
---
>> Wow, you guys are really planning ahead. You got a milestone schedule
>> for that one? ;-)
>
>Well, you didn't notice we're already in ``3.0-current'' these days.
>
>We are. (SMP being the main reason for the major # bump.)
not quite true (unless nobody bothered to tell me). -current is in
SMP as of 11/21, but a separate cvs tree is kept, ie you wont find
any of SMP in /home/ncvs.
There is a web page for tracking the project:
http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html
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Justin's on vacation, and he mentioned the problem I'm having where I
can't boot 2.1.5 from an AHA2940 is because of a bug in earlier
(pre-current) versions of biosboot (it apparently doesn't save a
register that BIOS clobbers, which causes a termination problem).
Anyway, if somebody could point me at a (compiled) version of boot1 and
boot2 that work with the AHA2940 I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks...
H
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>> As I mentioned in the commit message for the data files, MET is
>> history because it never made any sense (it was sort of a bizarre
>> half-translation of the German `MEZ'); all English-language references
>> that the timezone maintainers were able to locate used the phrase
>> ``Central European Time'', so the abbreviation was changed to match.
>At least, this breaks the tradition (not only of FreeBSD). Except
>IBM's AIX (which uses NFT == Norway-France-Time :), every other Unix
>around calls it MET now. I think the official translation for this
>was ``Mediterranean Time''. This might look a little senseless, too,
>but it's IMHO a bad move to break with a traditional name once people
>are used to it.
>I vote for keeping the previous name.
It would be worth keeping MET for backward compatibility?
CET does make better sense though as the standard name.
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Subject: Re: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT
In-Reply-To: <199611221253.NAA07064@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Nov 22, 96 01:53:40 pm"
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>On Nov 20, thyerm@satech.net.au (Matthew Thyer) wrote:
>> - Fix PCI bus probing
>> - The first time I boot FreeBSD it fails to detect my
>> PCI bus and hence my NCR SCSI card and hence my
>> SCSI HDDs. On the second boot (which I have put
>> into /etc/rc) it probes the PCI bus ALWAYS !
>
>PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem.
>Please send more details about your system (chip set,
>peripherals, ...). The most important information is
>the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send
>me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the
>"/var/log/messages" file ...)
The recent XFree86 release uses PCI code that is very closely based on
that in 2.2-current from about two months ago, and I know of some
cases where the PCI bus probe seems to fail. The common factor is
that they are PCs made by HP, and at least some are PPro machines.
David
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I just relized that there is a time that this will fail to operate like it
was suppose to... say you have a /etc/fstab like:
/dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1
/dev/sd0s1f /usr ufs rw 1 2
/dev/cd2a /usr/anon/pub/cdrom2 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0
but the cdrom was a ufs file system.... you boot single user mode and
try: fsck /usr/anon/pub/cdrom2 fsck won't resolve it because the patch
expects it to return a directory... most chances are you won't have a
/usr/anon/pub/cdrom2 on your /... it's probably in /usr... (I know this
may be bas fs design but it's possible)... so I was thinking something
like this patch:
Index: preen.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sbin/fsck/preen.c,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -c -r1.5 preen.c
*** preen.c 1996/10/27 18:28:39 1.5
--- preen.c 1996/11/23 02:58:07
***************
*** 304,312 ****
}
retry:
if (stat(name, &stblock) < 0) {
! perror(name);
! printf("Can't stat %s\n", name);
! return (0);
}
if ((stblock.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFBLK) {
if (stslash.st_dev == stblock.st_rdev)
--- 304,310 ----
}
retry:
if (stat(name, &stblock) < 0) {
! goto trydir;
}
if ((stblock.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFBLK) {
if (stslash.st_dev == stblock.st_rdev)
***************
*** 328,333 ****
--- 326,332 ----
retried++;
goto retry;
} else if ((stblock.st_mode & S_IFMT) == S_IFDIR && !retried) {
+ trydir:
l = strlen(name) - 1;
if (l > 0 && name[l] == '/')
/* remove trailing slash */
the other way would be to duplicate the code (which I would prefere)... I
detest goto :)... but there is already goto used in this function... so
I'm not as leary about using it... thanks for your ideas... ttyl..
John-Mark
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Subject: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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Hi,
I finally got my replacement Medalist 1080sl from Seagate, so I
decided to install 2.2-ALPHA on it. Although the new install went
reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously
dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables
and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first
thing the install said to me was that the value of 4839 cylinders, 109
sectors/track was ridiculous and that it was setting it to 64/32. Er,
ok, whatever.
When I tried booting the drive as sd2, I would try either 2:sd(2,a)/kernel
or just sd(2,a)/kernel, and get:
dosdev = 82, biosdrive = 2, unit = 2, maj = 4
Invalid format!
Then, even if I tried to boot from the boot floppy by saying fd(0,a), it
would say
dosdev = 0, biosdrive = 0, unit = 0, maj = 2
Invalid format!
But if I rebooted, and just let the floppy time out, it would say
dosdev = 0, biosdrive = 0, unit = 0, maj = 2
but work just fine.
Ok, so I unplugged the flaky drive from the SCSI bus, so that the new drive
is now the second SCSI disk; maybe it was having trouble with loading stuff
off of the third disk. Now I get the dreaded:
Error: C 2000>1023 (bios limit) error. I booted the fixit floppy,
checked the disklabel, and discovered that the installer had written
a disklabel with 1 sector per track, 1 track per cylinder, 1 sector
per cylinder, and 2000000+ cylinders. I got the proper data for my disk
from the Seagate web page and edited it into the disklabel. The bootstrap
still complains that C 2000>1023, even though disklabel -r /dev/sd1c
shows that the a partition goes from cylinder 0 to 150.
This is a problem that I occasionally had with the old bootloader, and
everyone told me that it couldn't be happening. The problem always
went away if I built a new kernel and reinstalled it. Perhaps that's
what I'll try next in the fixit disk environment. Does anyone have any
other suggestions on how to get this to boot?
Thanks,
Bill
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I forgot that the partition table was probably wrong, too. I ran fdisk
from the fixit floppy, and sure enough, it said 2 million tracks, 1
head, 1 sector per track. So I tried to edit it, and experienced some
awfully confusing fdisk behavior. I entered 109 sector/track, 4 heads,
4839 cylinders. I said "no" to manually setting the start/end of the
partition, and it made the start 0/1/0 and the end something like
735/36/0. Seems to me that since the partition is the whole disk, the
end should be at least 1023/...
In any case, after writing the partition table twice (the first time,
for some reason, when I re-checked it it was back to 1/1.), I was able
to boot my new drive (yay!). However, fdisk now says:
******* Working on device /dev/sd2 *******
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=58606 heads=1 sectors/track=36 (36 blks/cyl)
Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=58606 heads=1 sectors/track=36 (36 blks/cyl)
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 0 is:
sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 0, size 2109840 (1030 Meg), flag 80
beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 0;
end: cyl 743/ sector 36/ head 0
The data for partition 1 is:
<UNUSED>
The data for partition 2 is:
<UNUSED>
The data for partition 3 is:
<UNUSED>
This is nothing like what I told it, but since it appears to work
I'm not going to worry about it for now, unless someone tells me
that it's something to worry about. This whole thing is a total
mess.
Bill
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
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> When I tried booting the drive as sd2, I would try either 2:sd(2,a)/kernel
> or just sd(2,a)/kernel, and get:
>
> dosdev = 82, biosdrive = 2, unit = 2, maj = 4
> Invalid format!
FWIW, I get the same thing on my spam box when I don't choose
the dangerously dedicated option. A slightly different failure
mode, to be sure, but this did _not_ used to happen, either. :-(
Jordan
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:09:02 +0200
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J Wunsch wrote:
> As Terry Lambert wrote:
>
> > > Isn't there unprotoize in the gcc distribution that does this?
>
> > I think you are thinking of "protoize". I think there might be an
> > unprotoize, but I think the idea of the GCC crowd is to move toward
> > ANSI code, not away.
>
> Well, thinking doesn't exactly seem to be your best task these days,
> Terry? :-))
>
> protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc
> distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special
> shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C
> notation.
Take a look in /usr/src/contrim/gcc:
protoize.c
unprotoize.c
Here is unprotoize.c (in full):
--------------cut here------------------
#include "protoize.c"
--------------cut here------------------
M
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...any of the following recent changes, please let me know
why you think it should/shoudn't be in 2.2 as well:
libftpio changes
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Subject: Re: syslogd error on /dev/console
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As Philippe Charnier wrote:
> Since the last change in syslogd, The first su command generates an error
> in /var/log/messages speaking about /dev/console. xconsole does not always
> report messages from su.
Would you kindly post the error message, too? It's hard to guess
what's happening on other people's machines. ;)
xconsole works fine for me, here's the last four messages from it:
Nov 22 01:15:53 uriah su: j to news on /dev/ttyp3
Nov 22 09:12:18 uriah su: j to r on /dev/ttyp6
Nov 23 00:19:38 uriah chat[29028]: SIGINT
Nov 23 10:49:20 uriah su: BAD SU j to root on /dev/ttyp6
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
In-Reply-To: <199611230029.RAA16302@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Nov 22, 96 05:29:51 pm"
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Terry Lambert stands accused of saying:
> >
> > protoize(1) used to be accompanied by unprotoize(1) in the gcc
> > distribution for a long time. They use the gcc parser with a special
> > shortcut that causes it to dump its internal structures in a C
> > notation.
>
> Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)?
Probably. Unprotoize is required for bootstrapping gcc on platforms with
non-ANSI C compilers; this should be obvious.
> % man 1 unprotoize
> No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual
FreeBSD obviously doesn't need unprotoize 8)
> Terry Lambert
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Subject: Re: cdrom boot?
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As Mark Murray wrote:
> Here is unprotoize.c (in full):
> --------------cut here------------------
> #include "protoize.c"
> --------------cut here------------------
:-)
Though it's different by a -DUNPROTOIZE option (i figure from reading
protoize.c).
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Subject: (un)protoize (Was: cdrom boot?)
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As Michael Smith wrote:
> > Is it *currently* accompanied by unprotoize(1)?
>
> Probably. Unprotoize is required for bootstrapping gcc on platforms with
> non-ANSI C compilers; this should be obvious.
I don't think so. :) It would become a chicken-and-egg problem then...
protoize and unprotoize use the undocumented -aux-info switch of gcc
in order to obtain the function prototype information from the
compiler parser.
``An undocumented feature is a bug.'' :) (Forgot the source, though.)
> > % man 1 unprotoize
> > No entry for unprotoize in section 1 of the manual
>
> FreeBSD obviously doesn't need unprotoize 8)
...nor have there ever been man pages for protoize and unprotoize
available. If the usage information doesn't get you on the way, it's
UTSLware.
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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Bill Fenner stands accused of saying:
> decided to install 2.2-ALPHA on it. Although the new install went
> reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously
> dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables
> and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first
You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
by it.
> Bill
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Subject: Re: -current (bios)boot[12] needed...
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As Harlan Stenn wrote:
> Anyway, if somebody could point me at a (compiled) version of boot1 and
> boot2 that work with the AHA2940 I'd really appreciate it.
(sent)
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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As Bill Fenner wrote:
> I forgot that the partition table was probably wrong, too. I ran fdisk
...and that's the actual problem, of course. It's what the BIOS uses,
and your 2000 > 1023 is also a BIOS problem
> 4839 cylinders. I said "no" to manually setting the start/end of the
> partition, and it made the start 0/1/0 and the end something like
> 735/36/0. Seems to me that since the partition is the whole disk, the
> end should be at least 1023/...
fdisk stupidly masks off the upper bits that are not supported by the
BIOS, hence the 735. Since both figures, the 735 and the 1023 are not
representing the actual end of the slice from a BIOS point of view
(since it's beyond the BIOS limits), it simply doesn't matter.
FreeBSD doesn't care for these numbers either.
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Michael Smith wrote:
>
> You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
> reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
> mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
> by it.
Dear Michael,
I can't agree with you here.
I've been using NCR's for 2 years and even now a box with one
is near me installed a while ago. Each and every such a box
with just any HDD brand was installed in a 'dangerously dedicated'
fascion and it just worked.
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Andrew Stesin stands accused of saying:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Michael Smith wrote:
> >
> > You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
> > reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
> > mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
> > by it.
>
> I've been using NCR's for 2 years and even now a box with one
> is near me installed a while ago. Each and every such a box
> with just any HDD brand was installed in a 'dangerously dedicated'
> fascion and it just worked.
*shrug* Bruce recently posted the results of some tests he performed,
which matched with my empirical observations that the NCR BIOS reads
the contents of the MBR and reports its geometry to match.
I've lost cou8nt of the number of NCR-using systems I've installed;
I'm sure that I've used the DD option before and it's worked, but I've
certainly had more than a few cases where users have selected it and
been bitten.
> Andrew Stesin
>
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>*shrug* Bruce recently posted the results of some tests he performed,
>which matched with my empirical observations that the NCR BIOS reads
>the contents of the MBR and reports its geometry to match.
>
>I've lost cou8nt of the number of NCR-using systems I've installed;
>I'm sure that I've used the DD option before and it's worked, but I've
>certainly had more than a few cases where users have selected it and
>been bitten.
Hmm, we could try to write the fake MBR so it represents some sane
geometry in that particular case. That would help i guess.
Somebody with an NCR will have to do it though.
I belive you can get away with it if you use the 2.2-ALPHA boot
floppy, and use the wizard mode in the fdisk menu.
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From: se@FreeBSD.org (Stefan Esser)
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> >PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem.
> >Please send more details about your system (chip set,
> >peripherals, ...). The most important information is
> >the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send
> >me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the
> >"/var/log/messages" file ...)
>
> The recent XFree86 release uses PCI code that is very closely based on
There is PCI code in XFree86 ???
> that in 2.2-current from about two months ago, and I know of some
> cases where the PCI bus probe seems to fail. The common factor is
> that they are PCs made by HP, and at least some are PPro machines.
Well, but how do you think I'm going to fix this,
if I have no idea what actually fails. Send me the
information I asked for (verbose boot messages and
the information about the chip set, CPU and BIOS
you can easily get at), and I'll make it work.
The current code already deals with many chip sets
that fail to conform to the PCI specs., and I've got
to add specific code for each new such chip set :(
Regards, STefan
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Hi!
fetch will dump core when run by make in /usr/ports.
This only happens when the FreeBSD ports cdrom is mounted and the requested
file is not available on cd.
I'm running FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP with updated fetch and libftpio (4.0)
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Hi,
I don't know if this is the right place but I've been wondering
why there are only 4 drives showed by iostat.
I've done this patch for the last few months:
news# diff iostat.c iostat.backup
252c252
< for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 8; i++) {
---
> for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 4; i++) {
262c262
< for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 8; i++) {
---
> for (i = 0; i < dk_ndrive && ndrives < 4; i++) {
I changed the number of drives from 4 to 8. Even though I only have 5 at
the moment.
Could this maybe be done to the original too? Every time I now update
my source I have to do this again.
Groetjes,
Frank Ederveen
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I just read through the LINT file for 3.0-CURRENT again and
its changed a bit... lots of stuff has gone from separate DEFINES to
flags on devices... BCOPY stuff on Pentium Float device (npx) etc.
But the IDE controller now has 32 Bit IDE tfers and multi-sector I/O:
# The flags fields are used to enable the multi-sector I/O and
# the 32BIT I/O modes. The flags may be used in either the controller
# definition or in the individual disk definitions. The controller
# definition is supported for the boot configuration stuff.
#
# Each drive has a 16 bit flags value defined:
# The low 8 bits are the maximum value for the multi-sector I/O,
# where 0xff defaults to the maximum that the drive can handle.
# The high bit of the 16 bit flags (0x8000) allows probing for
# 32 bit transfers.
So I've put this in my config file:
controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff vector
wdintr
controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0x80ff80ff vector
wdintr
to say do 32 Bit I/O and as much multi-sector I/O as the drives can
handle for both my IDE controllers.
And it seems much faster in Netscape Gold 3.01 in particular probably
due to faster system paging mainly ?? and/or better negotiation
between reading and writing at the same time with my swap and home
directory (hence my 2MB Netscape disk cache)
I dont know if 2.1.5 can do it... read LINT... its worth running
current on your main workstation if STABLE cant do it.
I haven't had any serious problems yet...
pitty it doesn't have EIDE mode 4 yet
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>
> pitty it doesn't have EIDE mode 4 yet
>
Many times BIOS's allow you to set the IDE mode. Or the
BIOS will probe/set the mode for you. Several of the
Win95 have this same limitation. (Mode 4 doesn't entail
any changes except an initial set-up.)
John
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> Bill Fenner stands accused of saying:
> > decided to install 2.2-ALPHA on it. Although the new install went
> > reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously
> > dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables
> > and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first
>
> You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
> reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
> mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
> by it.
Hummm... that goes contrary to what I have been doing on systems for
the last 4 years using NCR controllers. You can use the dangerously
dedicated mode on the NCR just fine, and I usually set the drives
up this way with a 64/32 translation so that the drive can easily
be moved between any of the NCR/Buslogic/Adaptec controllers since
they all understand 64/32.
The changed behavior in the install programs to do 1/1 translation is
what is brain damaged, that causes more grief than I have ever seen,
so Rod's Rule when doing a ``dangerously dedicated'' install is to
always override the bios geometry with X/64/32, and turn off extended
(DOS >1G) translation on adaptec and buslogic cards, the NCR deals
with the translation automagically, and in conformance with the SCSI
BIOS PnP Spec.
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In message <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write:
>You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
>reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
>mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
>by it.
Oh, how scary. (Yes, I'm using an NCR controller). If this is really true,
then I would think that the install should mention it when it's warning you
that you really don't want to use dangerously dedicated.
Bill
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In message <11721.848751674@critter.tfs.com> you write:
>I belive you can get away with it if you use the 2.2-ALPHA boot
>floppy, and use the wizard mode in the fdisk menu.
Well, after using fdisk a couple of times from the fixit floppy, I *did*
get it to boot and it does seem to be ok (so far...). Presumably you could
do the same from the boot floppy, I just wasn't thinking that straight at
the time... ("aieeeeee! Why won't it boot!?!?!" =)
Bill
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<<On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:07:39 GMT, Adam David <adam@veda.is> said:
>> I vote for keeping the previous name.
> It would be worth keeping MET for backward compatibility?
> CET does make better sense though as the standard name.
That doesn't make any sense. A timezone only has a single set of
abbreviations. Unless you wanted to create an alternative set of
timezone data files, the only difference in which was that some
European countries have a different abbreviation? Gack.
So long as I'm maintaining the timezone database I want to minimize
our divergence from the master source, and I am strongly opposed to
changes such as you suggest which would represent a nightmare in
thirty different zones. I have in my mailbox right now a 2500-line
patch from Paul Eggert implementing changes on every single continent
(including Antarctica!); I won't want this to become more of a hassle.
-GAWollman
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A default ppp install from com2 seems to be broken out of the box.
I don't know if this is because both pp0 entries in the dialog box point to
sio0 or if the sio1 entries in /dev are missing. This can be worked around
by setting sio0 to point to 0x2f8 irq 3 in visual config.
My main problem is that once the ftp install from ftp.freebsd.org starts
going and transfers a few tens or hundreds of k, the connection drops.
The ppp log shows "** 1 Too many ECHO packets are lost. **"
Is this a network problem to wcarchive or a rudeness on the part of my ISP?
Steve
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In message <961123134753_1716798136@emout03.mail.aol.com>, StevenR362@aol.com w
rites:
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>A default ppp install from com2 seems to be broken out of the box.
>I don't know if this is because both pp0 entries in the dialog box point to
>sio0 or if the sio1 entries in /dev are missing. This can be worked around
>by setting sio0 to point to 0x2f8 irq 3 in visual config.
>
>My main problem is that once the ftp install from ftp.freebsd.org starts
>going and transfers a few tens or hundreds of k, the connection drops.
>The ppp log shows "** 1 Too many ECHO packets are lost. **"
>Is this a network problem to wcarchive or a rudeness on the part of my ISP?
Try to say "disable lcp" and "deny lcp" to ppp
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, stesin@gu.net
Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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>> > You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
>> > reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
>> > mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
>> > by it.
>>
>> I've been using NCR's for 2 years and even now a box with one
>> is near me installed a while ago. Each and every such a box
>> with just any HDD brand was installed in a 'dangerously dedicated'
>> fascion and it just worked.
>
>*shrug* Bruce recently posted the results of some tests he performed,
>which matched with my empirical observations that the NCR BIOS reads
>the contents of the MBR and reports its geometry to match.
They pick a default geometry when they become confused. I think it follows
the rules posted by Darryl Okahata. The number of heads and sectors/track
is chosen to make the number of cylinders <= 1024 if possible.
>I've lost cou8nt of the number of NCR-using systems I've installed;
>I'm sure that I've used the DD option before and it's worked, but I've
>certainly had more than a few cases where users have selected it and
>been bitten.
They get bitten when they can't remember the geometry and tell FreeBSD
another geometry, or when they move the drive to a lesser controller
than can't support the geometry.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Can anyone explain...?
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> > It would be worth keeping MET for backward compatibility?
> > CET does make better sense though as the standard name.
>
> That doesn't make any sense. A timezone only has a single set of
> abbreviations. Unless you wanted to create an alternative set of
> timezone data files, the only difference in which was that some
> European countries have a different abbreviation? Gack.
OK sorry for the detour, I had wrongly assumed that several names could
point to the same zone sector. CET is still the obvious choice, but then
how shall any sense be made of "MET"?
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>reasonably well, it won't reboot the new disk. I used the "dangerously
>dedicated" mode, so that I wouldn't have to deal with partition tables
>and weird track values and stuff. Woo, was I wrong. The very first
>thing the install said to me was that the value of 4839 cylinders, 109
>sectors/track was ridiculous and that it was setting it to 64/32. Er,
>ok, whatever.
4839 cylinders, 109 sectors/track and some small number of heads is
a normal semi-physical drive geometry (4839 is probably physical and
109 is probably the average). 64/32 is a normal BIOS geometry. 109
sectors/track can't be used because the BIOS and the DOSpartition table
only have 6 bits for the sector number. 64/32 should only be used for
drives smaller than 1GB since it causes the number of cylinders to
be > 1024 on larger drives. Since most new drives are larger than
1GB, 64/32 should never be used :-).
>When I tried booting the drive as sd2, I would try either 2:sd(2,a)/kernel
>or just sd(2,a)/kernel, and get:
>
>dosdev = 82, biosdrive = 2, unit = 2, maj = 4
>Invalid format!
I'm not sure what would cause that. Old versions of sysinstall had
a bug that caused the geometry to appear to be 1/1 to the kernel.
The ncr BIOS has more robust geometry detection than the kernel, and
I think the 1/1 geometry is invalid so it would be rejected by the
ncr BIOS and a default geometry that should work for (the dedicated
case only ) would be used. Older versions of sysinstall did not
attempt to set the geometry by writing a dummy DOSpartition table,
and the kernel has kludges to make this case work - in particular it
gives no chance of getting a 1/1 geometry.
>Ok, so I unplugged the flaky drive from the SCSI bus, so that the new drive
>is now the second SCSI disk; maybe it was having trouble with loading stuff
>off of the third disk. Now I get the dreaded:
>
>Error: C 2000>1023 (bios limit) error. I booted the fixit floppy,
This might be caused by different handling of the partition table by a
different controller.
>checked the disklabel, and discovered that the installer had written
>a disklabel with 1 sector per track, 1 track per cylinder, 1 sector
>per cylinder, and 2000000+ cylinders. I got the proper data for my disk
Sysinstall apparently still has the bug. This is caused by making
the partition size and/or end one sector too large, so that the
ending head/sector numbers are 0/1 instead of max_head/max_cylinder.
This confuses the kernel since by definition a valid BSD slice
ends at a cylinder boundary to help the kernel detect the geometry.
This important requirement seems to be unknown to most install programs
and persons :-(.
The SCSI BIOS is unlikely to think that the geometry is 1/1. It should
see that the partition table is invalid and switch to a default. The
defaullt is unlikely to be what sysinstall used, but it should work
(in the dedicated case only) for an ncr BIOS. Lesser BIOSes may always
default to a 64/32 geometry which won't work if any part of the kernel
is above 1GB.
>from the Seagate web page and edited it into the disklabel. The bootstrap
>still complains that C 2000>1023, even though disklabel -r /dev/sd1c
>shows that the a partition goes from cylinder 0 to 150.
The geometry reported by disklabel is independent of both the physical
geometry and the BIOS geometry. Install programs and persons should
make it identical with one of these geometries to minimise confusion.
Bruce
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>I forgot that the partition table was probably wrong, too. I ran fdisk
>from the fixit floppy, and sure enough, it said 2 million tracks, 1
>head, 1 sector per track.
These numbers come from the same place as in sysinstall: from dsinit()
reading the partition table and misinterpreting the garbage in it.
diskslcie_machdep.c has a lot of code to check the partition table,
but the return codes are always ignored :-( and the error messages are
not printed unless the kernel is booted with -v :-(.
>So I tried to edit it, and experienced some
>awfully confusing fdisk behavior. I entered 109 sector/track, 4 heads,
>4839 cylinders. I said "no" to manually setting the start/end of the
>partition, and it made the start 0/1/0 and the end something like
>735/36/0. Seems to me that since the partition is the whole disk, the
>end should be at least 1023/...
This behaviour is very natural if you know that there are only 6 sector
bits, 8 head bits and 10 cylinder bits. Values larger than 1023/255/63
get truncated mod 1024/256/64 in each field. Geometries which would
cause truncated sector or head bits must not be used. Truncation of
cylinder bits is usually harmless provided you don't want to boot from
a partition above cylinder 1023 or run a lesser O/S that doesn't support
such partitions.
>In any case, after writing the partition table twice (the first time,
>for some reason, when I re-checked it it was back to 1/1.), I was able
>to boot my new drive (yay!). However, fdisk now says:
109 sector/track gives a different type of garbage that happens to work
(perhaps by making it obvious to the ncr BIOS that the partition entry
is garbage so it defaults to something that works (in the dedicated
case only)).
Flexible SCSI BIOS geometries also cause interesting bootstrapping
problems. Suppose that the geometry is initially 64/32 for some reason,
but you don't want that. You run fdisk and tell it the geometry that
you want (normally 255/63) and then change the partition table, being
careful to end partitions on (new) cylinder boundaries. The kernel will
detect the changed geometry in some circumstances. The SCSI BIOS will
detect on the next boot. However, if you make a mistake with the
cylinder boundaries, then the SCSI BIOS might detect garbage and switch
to a default that might not work. It's safest to reboot immediately and
check that the changes worked right.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Four problems that really bug me with CURRENT
In-Reply-To: <199611231301.OAA17983@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Nov 23, 96 02:00:30 pm"
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>> >PCI bus probing seems not to be a general problem.
>> >Please send more details about your system (chip set,
>> >peripherals, ...). The most important information is
>> >the VERBOSE boot message log. (Boot with "-v" and send
>> >me the output of "dmesg", or cut the messages out of the
>> >"/var/log/messages" file ...)
>>
>> The recent XFree86 release uses PCI code that is very closely based on
>
>There is PCI code in XFree86 ???
Yes. It was originally used for passive probing, but for some video
cards, we also need to write to the PCI config space. It would be
better if most OSs provided an interface for doing this though.
>> that in 2.2-current from about two months ago, and I know of some
>> cases where the PCI bus probe seems to fail. The common factor is
>> that they are PCs made by HP, and at least some are PPro machines.
>
>Well, but how do you think I'm going to fix this,
>if I have no idea what actually fails. Send me the
>information I asked for (verbose boot messages and
>the information about the chip set, CPU and BIOS
>you can easily get at), and I'll make it work.
The machines I'm referring to are not running FreeBSD (usually they
are running Linux). At least one of the PPro machines is using a
fairly old revision of the Orion chipset. I'll see if I can get
some more information about this.
As another data point, the scanpci program distributed with XFree86
(which uses differnet PCI code) does detect the PCI bus on these machines,
and after that has been run, the PCI code in the XFree86 servers works
again.
David
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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Subject: Re: more drives in iostat?
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>I don't know if this is the right place but I've been wondering
>why there are only 4 drives showed by iostat.
Only 4 drives fit in 80 columns. Actually, only 3 fit, because 4 take
exactly 80 columns and line wrap wastes 1 column.
Bruce
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, phk@critter.tfs.com
Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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>Hmm, we could try to write the fake MBR so it represents some sane
>geometry in that particular case. That would help i guess.
Why not write the normal historical_bogus_partition_table which is
specially handled in the kernel so that there are no problems? It's
possible that it is not specially enough handled by the SCSI BIOS,
but there seem to be no problems in practice.
>Somebody with an NCR will have to do it though.
It works fine with an NCR:
!******* Working on device /dev/rsd0 *******
!parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
!cylinders=6703 heads=5 sectors/track=126 (630 blks/cyl)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ as reported by SCSI enquiry
!
! Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
!parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
!cylinders=6703 heads=5 sectors/track=126 (630 blks/cyl)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ same, because the partition table
is recognized as garbage and doesn't
override it. Don't use this for a
real partition table.
![<UNUSED>...]
!The data for partition 3 is:
!sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
! start 0, size 50000 (24 Meg), flag 80
! beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 0;
! end: cyl 1023/ sector 63/ head 255
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Normal historical_bogus_partition_table which indicates a 1023/256/63
geometry. It would be valid if it size were 1023*63*256 instead of
50000. Note that it has 256 heads, not 255. Some SCSI BIOSes can't
handle 256 heads, but the ncr BIOS can.
>I belive you can get away with it if you use the 2.2-ALPHA boot
>floppy, and use the wizard mode in the fdisk menu.
Too hard for me ;-). I use something like `cp /usr/mdec/boot1 /dev/rsd0'
or `disklabel -B sd0' or type in the above partition table. The disklabel
-B method only works on dedicated disks, which is the only case under
discussion. At least, it used to work. Disklabel now does extra work to
preserve the existing partition table if there is a nonzero entry in it.
Bruce
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From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com
Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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>The changed behavior in the install programs to do 1/1 translation is
>what is brain damaged, that causes more grief than I have ever seen,
Your PR seems to be missing :-).
>so Rod's Rule when doing a ``dangerously dedicated'' install is to
>always override the bios geometry with X/64/32, and turn off extended
>(DOS >1G) translation on adaptec and buslogic cards, the NCR deals
>with the translation automagically, and in conformance with the SCSI
>BIOS PnP Spec.
Bruce's rules are:
1. Don't use `dangerously dedicated' unless you know what you're doing.
2. Always override the BIOS geometry with X/255/63, and turn on
extended (DOS > 1G) translation on buslogic cards (the ncr deals
with the translation automagically, and I don't know about adaptec).
This minimises problems with cylinders >= 1024 for the non-dedicated
case and doesn't hurt for the dedicated case.
3. Rule 2 is unnecessary for drives smaller than 1G and doesn't work so
well for drives larger than 8G. 64/32 is OK for small drives and
255/63 is the best possible for large drives.
4. For IDE drives, just run the BIOS setup and use whatever geometry it
gives. This is often the geometry that you told it. Tell it to use
a geometry with <= 1024 cylinders if possible.
Bruce
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Subject: /usr/src/share/examples uses install -C. Why?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 00:03:08 +0100
From: "Philippe Charnier" <charnier@xp11.frmug.org>
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Hi,
While browsing /usr and subdirs, to see if some `no longuer exist' files
are still in my -current tree, I noticed that /usr/share/examples is
updated using install -C. As there is no dependencies to the build process
reverting the feature to install -c would be nice for -current users.
Index: Makefile
===================================================================
RCS file: /home2h/FreeBSD.cvsroot/src/share/examples/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.20
diff -u -r1.20 Makefile
--- Makefile 1996/09/06 06:30:57 1.20
+++ Makefile 1996/11/22 22:49:49
@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@
FILES!= find -L ${dir} \( -name CVS -prune \) -o -type f -print
.for file in ${FILES}
copies::
- ${INSTALL} -C -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 644 ${file} ${DDIR}/${file}
+ ${INSTALL} -c -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 644 ${file} ${DDIR}/${file}
.endfor
.endfor
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To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch)
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Subject: Re: syslogd error on /dev/console
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:40:35 +0100
From: "Philippe Charnier" <charnier@xp11.frmug.org>
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Salut,
J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de> wrote:
>As Philippe Charnier wrote:
>
>> Since the last change in syslogd, The first su command generates an error
>> in /var/log/messages speaking about /dev/console. xconsole does not always
>> report messages from su.
>
>Would you kindly post the error message, too? It's hard to guess
>what's happening on other people's machines. ;)
>
Sorry about that, was at work and didn't remember the exact message
Using syslogd.c v1.13 (v1.12 is ok for me)
boot -s
crw--w--w- 1 root wheel - 0, 0 Nov 24 ??:?? /dev/console
exit to multi-user mode
crw--w--w- 1 charnier wheel - 0, 0 Nov 24 02:15 /dev/console
log in as charnier via xdm
start an xterm
Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted
xp11 [83] ~ % su
Password:
xp11# exit
exit
xp11 [84] ~ % tail /var/log/messages
Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted
Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error
Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1
xp11 [85] ~ % su
Password:
xp11# tail /var/log/messages
Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted
Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error
Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1
Nov 24 02:16:15 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1
xp11# exit
exit
xp11 [86] ~ % su
Password:
No change in /var/log/messages
xp11 [87] ~ % su
Password:
Ditto
xp11 [88] ~ % su
Password:
Ditto
start another xterm and run su on it
xp11# tail /var/log/messages
Nov 24 02:15:03 xp11 lpd[121]: restarted
Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error
Nov 24 02:15:42 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1
Nov 24 02:16:15 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp1
Nov 24 02:17:39 xp11 last message repeated 3 times
Nov 24 02:17:51 xp11 su: charnier to root on /dev/ttyp2
Nothing written in xconsole. Note that sometimes, xconsole is able to
grab some of the messages.
Kernel(syscons) and world are at level cvs-cur#2730 (19961122090002Z).
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To: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:19:59 PST
From: Bill Fenner <fenner@parc.xerox.com>
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In message <199611240026.LAA09348@godzilla.zeta.org.au> you write:
>1. Don't use `dangerously dedicated' unless you know what you're doing.
Isn't the geometry likely to cause *more* grief in "normal" mode?
Bill
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:26:33 +1030 (CST)
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Bill Fenner stands accused of saying:
> In message <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write:
> >You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
> >reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
> >mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
> >by it.
>
> Oh, how scary. (Yes, I'm using an NCR controller). If this is really true,
> then I would think that the install should mention it when it's warning you
> that you really don't want to use dangerously dedicated.
It's not until very recently that this has been formally tested. Rod
G. is of the opinion that the problem is at least partly to do with
the synthetic geometry nominated by the installer, which is quite possible.
> Bill
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
In-Reply-To: <199611240356.OAA23972@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Nov 24, 96 02:26:33 pm"
To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:00:50 -0800 (PST)
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> Bill Fenner stands accused of saying:
> > In message <199611231117.VAA22545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write:
> > >You are using an NCR controller, or some other SCSI controller that
> > >reads the partition table out of the MBR. The 'dangerously dedicated'
> > >mode won't work with these controllers, as they become _very_ confused
> > >by it.
> >
> > Oh, how scary. (Yes, I'm using an NCR controller). If this is really true,
> > then I would think that the install should mention it when it's warning you
> > that you really don't want to use dangerously dedicated.
>
> It's not until very recently that this has been formally tested. Rod
> G. is of the opinion that the problem is at least partly to do with
> the synthetic geometry nominated by the installer, which is quite possible.
Humm... let me see... if I get this right (I don't use sysinstall, but
I have seen this X/1/1 translation thing it does) sysinstall defaults to
a X/1/1 translation, and even goes so far as to write that into the
MBR on a ``dangerously dedicated'' install.
Well, I see the major snafu, 1024/1/1 would be the maximal value that
could be stored in the MBR, giving you a 512K BIOS addressable disk space,
now, gee, why oh why would that be a problem??? :-) :-) Anyone ever
try to locate a FreeBSD kernel in the first .5MB of a disk?
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:46:08 -0800
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> Sysinstall apparently still has the bug. This is caused by making
> the partition size and/or end one sector too large, so that the
> ending head/sector numbers are 0/1 instead of max_head/max_cylinder.
> This confuses the kernel since by definition a valid BSD slice
> ends at a cylinder boundary to help the kernel detect the geometry.
> This important requirement seems to be unknown to most install programs
> and persons :-(.
This has nothing to do with sysinstall as it does not calculate
geometry. This is done by libdisk and is an important bit of
information which seems to be unknown to most non-install persons. :-)
Jordan
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> Humm... let me see... if I get this right (I don't use sysinstall, but
> I have seen this X/1/1 translation thing it does) sysinstall defaults to
> a X/1/1 translation, and even goes so far as to write that into the
> MBR on a ``dangerously dedicated'' install.
This was what phk recommended as proper "hint" values for libdisk in
the dangerously-dedicated case. What would you suggest instead?
Jordan
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Subject: Re: 2.2-ALPHA install failure
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> > Humm... let me see... if I get this right (I don't use sysinstall, but
> > I have seen this X/1/1 translation thing it does) sysinstall defaults to
> > a X/1/1 translation, and even goes so far as to write that into the
> > MBR on a ``dangerously dedicated'' install.
>
> This was what phk recommended as proper "hint" values for libdisk in
> the dangerously-dedicated case. What would you suggest instead?
As ``hint'' values I would suggest X/64/32 (C/H/S) for SCSI drives,
for IDE, well, hummmm... I don't really have a lot to say there, as
every single scsi controller I can think of _can_ deal with that translation,
and it gives you at least 1G of area. Bruces suggested values of
X/64/255 cause problems for the controllers that use a different extended
tranlation set (ie, X/63/256, X/64/256, and some other strange ones).
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