From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 01:04:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA08290 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hopper.acs.ryerson.ca (hopper.acs.ryerson.ca [141.117.101.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08257 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [141.117.13.228] by hopper.acs.ryerson.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA141298; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <12D27649.68F8F1A6@alias.undernet.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 1980 16:25:29 -0500 From: mossbaby X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.12 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi there, I have the following hardware and I was wondering if it will work with freebsd: 1) mitsumi 6x cd rom 2) sb awe32 plug n play with asp 3) ati mach 64 4meg vram 4) adaptec pci 2940 ultra wide 5) usrotics fax modem 33.6K and what's the latest freebsd cdrom ? From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 04:35:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20655 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trex.centroin.com.br (trex.centroin.com.br [200.255.215.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20643 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du8.centroin.com.br (du8.centroin.com.br [200.255.215.8]) by trex.centroin.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA18935 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 02:04:31 -0300 Message-Id: <199607010504.CAA18935@trex.centroin.com.br> From: "Ricardo AG" To: "doc@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 02:02:01 -0300 Reply-To: "Ricardo AG" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Ricardo AG's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.DTUORD138764=_=_=_" Subject: FreeBSD network setup Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.DTUORD138764=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote a not-so-small text about setting up several network items using FreeBSD, as IP addresses, named setup, PPP setup and a proxy setup (using CERN httpd 3.0). Maybe it will be useful for the handbook. As my english is not good, I will be glad to receive feedbacks before translating the text to SGML. I am attacching it to this message, in MIME format. 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freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25376 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbox.link.com.eg (mbox.link.com.eg [163.121.199.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25360 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [163.121.199.110] by mbox.link.com.eg (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA19296 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:41:53 +0200 Message-ID: <31D7A7C5.42DF@link.com.eg> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 03:26:13 -0700 From: mahmood@link.com.eg (Mahmood Abdel Fattah) Reply-To: mahmood@link.com.eg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD on a 486 DX/33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mahmood Mohamed wrote: Hello. i was wondering if someone could help me on a vital decsion here. Acctuall i have a 486 DX\33 machine with 4 MBs of Ram, a 1.08 Giga HD, a quadspeed CDROM, and a sound blaster. my machine is a very very slow one, for one thing, it needs ram and i know about that, But i was wondering if changeing the operating system would improve it's performance. I consedered switching from dos ver6.20 and windows 3.11 to Win95, or OS\2 Warp, but some friends told me that Linux would make better use of the machine. Now i heard recently about FreeBSD, and you can see the mess I'm in now, i don't know what operating system would be best for my machine, and which one would make the best use out of it. I'm going to add 4 megs of additonal ram, but still the operating system is one of the most important things i need. Could you please kindly guide me the best solution, or at least lead me to any good refrences where i could read and get inlighted to take a better decsion about this matter. Thank you very much for your help. This is Mahmood Mohamed Abdel Fattah. Ps. my email ad. is "mahmood@link.com.eg" From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 07:45:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA01550 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netvision.net.il (mail.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01542 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netvision.net.il.netvision.net.il (ts016p1.pop4a.netvision.net.il [199.203.102.39]) by mail.netvision.net.il (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28515 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:44:13 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:44:13 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199607011444.RAA28515@mail.netvision.net.il> X-Sender: datcos@netvision.net.il X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: doc@freebsd.org From: datcos@netvision.net.il (Igal Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Xwindows & finger Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi ! Recently, I moved to FreeBSD, and as usual, a newbie must ask something. So my questions are: My domain name is rilv.net.il, when I try: finger root, it works ok and I see info about myself, however, when I try: finger root@rilv.net.il I receive: [rilv.net.il] and thats all ... Then, I opened for myself additional account, called igal, and I decided to send mail from root to igal. I wrote: mail igal subject: Dont worry be happy (for example) ggdagdg ggdsagdsgsd gdgsdagasgs ghsdahhg And it worked. But when I did mail igal@rilv.net.il and sent the same message, it did not worked, and I even received message about DELIVERY ERROR any ideas ? My second question is very simple: (but not for me) I use Xwindows and color_xterm, all options at color_xterm work ok except one -bw or -w (it is the same). When I try to change width nothing happens. So, if you can help me please reply. My address is: datcos@netvision.net.il From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 13:20:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA04993 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-157.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.157]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04976 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13589; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:33:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:33:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199607011633.SAA13589@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Based on current src/ Quick Suggestion: Add clickable HREFs right at end of freebsd-faq.html for - Questions (mailto:questions@freebsd.org) - FAQ Errors, (mailto: doc editors) Style & Colloquialisms: 7.3. Hey! Chmod ... 7.6. Hey! My printer is slow as a dog ... This style makes the FAQ harder to quickly scan when people look to see if a question is in the FAQ before posting. The harder the FAQ index is to visually scan, the more postings we'll get. I suggest changes such as: s/Hey! Chmod/Chmod/ s/7.6. Hey! My printer is slow as a dog/ 7.6. Printer too slow: how to speed it up./ Colloquial `slow as a dog' is fine for native English speakers, but is it obvious to a Chinese or Brazilian etc ? Some dogs are fast (`Imperialist running dogs' at least :-) maybe some people will find `as slow as a dog' non obvious. Daft answers don't deserve to clutter the index & waste space forever: Delete: `7.20. Has anyone done any temperature testing.....' the question is debatable, the answer is just wasted space. Delete `7.21 ...memory to make a scratchy sound?...' The answer is wasted space, & doesnt even mention the floppy media sensing head seeks in the bios. Longer Term Suggestion: Reorder the words in the FAQ sections titles, similar to the way a stores list of engineering components is listed, so that the index is visually scannable fast & easily. EG: Printer, colour, driver: fails when blah blah Printer, postscript: filters available Printer, parallel port: interrupt config Printer, serial: interface parameters Changes would require some small departure from the traditional net news FAQ format, but that was typically just a collection of Q & A's slung together by one person. The FreeBSD FAQ in sgml format with HREFs & lots of readers could perhaps benefit from a more rigorous indexed format, stripped of surplus entries, phrases words ? This is intended as constructive criticism, hoping not to annoy anyone, Yes, I too find the FAQ useful even as is, Thanks :-) PS I've appended no diffs, as it's a style issue, in the hands of those commiters who work on the FAQ. PS I'm not on docs@ list, (in case cc line is pruned later). Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 13:50:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08677 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08661; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA12808; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:50:20 -0400 Received: (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA24619; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:51:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html In-Reply-To: <199607011633.SAA13589@vector.jhs.no_domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Style & Colloquialisms: ... > 7.6. Printer too slow: how to speed it up./ > Colloquial `slow as a dog' is fine for native English speakers, > but is it obvious to a Chinese or Brazilian etc ? I think only as many colloquialisms as are necessary to make it readable for non-english readers should be removed. In some instances it may be possible to make the meaning clear while maintaining the nice expressions. > Daft answers don't deserve to clutter the index & waste space forever: > Delete: > `7.20. Has anyone done any temperature testing.....' > the question is debatable, the answer is just wasted space. > Delete `7.21 ...memory to make a scratchy sound?...' > The answer is wasted space, & doesnt even mention > the floppy media sensing head seeks in the bios. Bah! Go away! Those are nice questions! However, they do clutter it up terribly. I think the proper solution is to reorganize the index to the questions. Some things, such as the questions regarding the ATI Mach64 & sio3 confict do _NOT_ need to take up half-a-page just to INDEX the question. I think perhaps some sort of "question hierarchy" with no more than 10 selections in each section would make a better index than the current (dare-I-call-it) mumbo-jumbo. > Reorder the words in the FAQ sections titles, > similar to the way a stores list of engineering components is listed, > so that the index is visually scannable fast & easily. EG: > Printer, colour, driver: fails when blah blah > Printer, postscript: filters available > Printer, parallel port: interrupt config > Printer, serial: interface parameters Such a technical approach to it scares me. Rather, I would have a section `hardware problems'. `Hardware Problems' would then link to a subsection listing another 4-10 subsubsections. One of those would be `Printer Problems'. Basically, just going from a list of general categories to a list of more specific categories, and eventually to a list of actual questions. Each list limited to 4-10 entries. > Changes would require some small departure from the traditional net news FAQ > format, but that was typically just a collection of Q & A's slung together > by one person. There are the leaders and the followers! :) > This is intended as constructive criticism, hoping not to annoy anyone, > Yes, I too find the FAQ useful even as is, Thanks :-) I look at the INDEX for the FAQ, and I'm scared... It's ugly... :( -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 14:16:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12828 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12789; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13753; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:16:04 GMT Message-Id: <199607012116.VAA13753@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123735810; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:16:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:16:50 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jhs@FreeBSD.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199607011633.SAA13589@vector.jhs.no_domain> Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Julian" == "Julian H Stacey" writes: Julian> Based on current src/ Quick Suggestion: Add clickable Julian> HREFs right at end of freebsd-faq.html for - Questions Julian> (mailto:questions@freebsd.org) - FAQ Errors, (mailto: doc Julian> editors) Good idea. Julian> Style & Colloquialisms: 7.3. Hey! Chmod ... 7.6. Hey! My Julian> printer is slow as a dog ... This style makes the FAQ Julian> harder to quickly scan when people look to see if a Julian> question is in the FAQ before posting. Quite right; it probably comes from the unofficial FAQ style that (d)evolved out of Usenet newsgroups. It's not terribly useful, is it? Furthermore, the handbook has a *strict* rule about not using something has harmless as contractions (supposedly to facilitate understanding by nonnative English speakers) yet in the FAQ it's a free-for-all. My favorite way to use the FAQ: full-text search. (That's definitely an indication that something's wrong.) Julian> Daft answers don't deserve to clutter the index & waste Julian> space forever: Delete: `7.20. ... 7.21 I could hardly believe that these questions were even addressed! Julian> Longer Term Suggestion: Reorder the words in the FAQ Julian> sections titles, EG: Printer, colour, Julian> driver: fails when blah blah Printer, postscript: filters Julian> available Printer, parallel port: interrupt config Julian> Printer, serial: interface parameters Excellent! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 14:44:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16982 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-157.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.157]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16908; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA19679; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:39:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199607012139.XAA19679@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 01 Jul 1996 16:51:55 EDT." Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 23:39:07 +0200 Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Tim Vanderhoek > > > Daft answers don't deserve to clutter the index & waste space forever: > > Delete: > > `7.20. Has anyone done any temperature testing.....' > > the question is debatable, the answer is just wasted space. > > Delete `7.21 ...memory to make a scratchy sound?...' > > The answer is wasted space, & doesnt even mention > > the floppy media sensing head seeks in the bios. > > Bah! Go away! Those are nice questions! However, they do clutter it up > terribly. Well, rather minority /strange, but the answers have zero value, except as humour, where perhaps a dave barry chunk outside FreeBSD `du' space might be more appropriate reading :-) Part 2 of Q7.21 could even have a sensible answer, but hasnt. > I think the proper solution is to reorganize the index to the > questions. Yes > > Reorder the words in the FAQ sections titles, > > similar to the way a stores list of engineering components is listed, > > so that the index is visually scannable fast & easily. EG: > > Printer, colour, driver: fails when blah blah > > Printer, postscript: filters available > > Printer, parallel port: interrupt config > > Printer, serial: interface parameters > > Such a technical approach to it scares me. Rather, I would have a > section `hardware problems'. `Hardware Problems' would then link to a > subsection listing another 4-10 subsubsections. One of those would be > `Printer Problems'. In concept they're the same logical structure, just that mine would present more info per page, which would be nicer over a slow web link than if we only have a few items per sub index, + your struct wouldn't be so usefull when it comes to printing the whole FAQ; however either way would be an improvement for screen interactive usage. > I look at the INDEX for the FAQ, and I'm scared... It's ugly... :( Yes. It's ugliness will discourage use as an index, & so people will be tempted to post Q instead. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 21:57:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA27028 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27023; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03273; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:57:49 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id GAA30754; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:57:16 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.5/keltia-uucp-2.8) id GAA06251; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:52:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199607020452.GAA06251@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html To: jhs@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:52:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607012139.XAA19679@vector.jhs.no_domain> from "Julian H. Stacey" at "Jul 1, 96 11:39:07 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2178 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Julian H. Stacey said: > Well, rather minority /strange, but the answers have zero value, > except as humour, where perhaps a dave barry chunk outside FreeBSD `du' space > might be more appropriate reading :-) I know. These were taken from a few posts from Jordan and I thought a little humour was not a bad thing. Anyway, they can be removed as the FAQ is becoming too large. > > I think the proper solution is to reorganize the index to the > > questions. > > Yes That's a good idea. Some questions can be removed too to make it smaller. Many things are also answered in the handbook and the FAQ could reference it more. > + your struct wouldn't be so usefull when it comes to printing the whole FAQ; Your way flatten things a bit too much IMO. > however either way would be an improvement for screen interactive usage. I welcome diffs :-) As an explanation (not an excuse): I'm switching jobs now and I don't have much time. Anyone who wants to help restructure the FAQ is welcome to work on it and I'll review the changes and even commit them if I can. Thanks, -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #12: Sun Jun 30 14:10:07 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 1 22:36:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28903 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28894; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA03010; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:36:31 -0400 Received: (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA12753; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:38:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: Tim Vanderhoek , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html In-Reply-To: <199607012139.XAA19679@vector.jhs.no_domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Well, rather minority /strange, but the answers have zero value, > except as humour, where perhaps a dave barry chunk outside FreeBSD `du' space > might be more appropriate reading :-) > Part 2 of Q7.21 could even have a sensible answer, but hasnt. I recall, when reading the FAQ for the first time before installing FreeBSD seeing the answer to the `temperature' question and having spend 5-10 minutes wondering exactly how serious it was... Having gone through that experience, I can say that I appreciate the value of a ridiculous question & answer in the FAQ. I found it helped take away the "scariness" of installing a foreign OS onto my machine. Not as importantly, I think it can also encourage people to read more of the FAQ. ("What the heck is that question about!?!" "Hmm... well, I've read one question now, I might as well read another"). > > > Reorder the words in the FAQ sections titles, > > > similar to the way a stores list of engineering components is listed, > > > so that the index is visually scannable fast & easily. EG: > > > Printer, colour, driver: fails when blah blah > > > Printer, postscript: filters available > > > Printer, parallel port: interrupt config > > > Printer, serial: interface parameters > > > In concept they're the same logical structure, > just that mine would present more info per page, > which would be nicer over a slow web link > than if we only have a few items per sub index, > + your struct wouldn't be so usefull when it comes to printing the whole FAQ; > however either way would be an improvement for screen interactive usage. Good point. I think what scares me about what you first suggested is the lack of a nice approachable sentence. At one end is the fact that having a large multi-line description of the question would take away the organizational value of the above; at the other end there is a certain amount of readability and style necessary. Anyways, I withdraw my suggested structure. :) Other things, though... In the answers themselves. I question the usefulness of having a "Previous" and "Next". Often, even with the best of organized hierarchies, I suspect that no two questions will be related in this "Previous"/"Next" manner. Rather, each answer should have a short list of cross-references at the end that may also help the reader with their problem. I realize this is a function of the linuxdoc sgml, but there has been some more talk lately about replacing it, I think... Each answer should have, at the top, in a consistent place, a date-modified field, and a field saying what release a given answer does or does not pertain to. Since the index entry, or "question" for a given answer will be fairly curt, it could be worthwhile rewriting the question in a more descriptive (maybe even colloquial) manner as part of the answer. Things like this are fairly easy compared to deciding on a nice & neat hierarchy, though. > > I look at the INDEX for the FAQ, and I'm scared... It's ugly... :( > > Yes. It's ugliness will discourage use as an index, > & so people will be tempted to post Q instead. It'd be one more reason to choose...yunnoo...well...something else over FreeBSD. And, of course, that's no good! :) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 05:26:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA03439 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 05:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pugwash.celtic.co.uk (root@pugwash.celtic.co.uk [163.164.161.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03420 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ewr.celtic.co.uk (slip5.bridgend.cymru.net [163.164.163.21]) by pugwash.celtic.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13232 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:26:42 +0100 Message-ID: <31D8C06B.521E@celtic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 23:23:39 -0700 From: Eric Wyn Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sis 620x X-URL: http://www.ie.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any information as regards the sis 620x vga card? I would be very pleased if you could help. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 07:01:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09508 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09502; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aj05951; 2 Jul 96 13:57 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa15067; 2 Jul 96 12:53 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA01006; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:12:14 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:12:14 GMT Message-Id: <199607021112.LAA01006@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr CC: jhs@freebsd.org, hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199607020452.GAA06251@keltia.freenix.fr> (message from Ollivier Robert on Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:52:20 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Ollivier Robert writes: > > As an explanation (not an excuse): I'm switching jobs now and I don't have > much time. I've got far too much time (but hardly any disk space or bandwidth) and have thought for some time that the FAQ needs some work done on it. > Anyone who wants to help restructure the FAQ is welcome to work > on it and I'll review the changes and even commit them if I can. I'll send you the results of my work (or put it on freefall if there's a lot of changes). -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 15:14:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA04669 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04659 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (beattie@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA14879 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:14:36 -0700 From: "Keith Beattie[SFSU Student]" Message-Id: <199607022214.PAA14879@george.lbl.gov> Subject: Installing FreeBSD To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:14:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSD, Here's my 2 cents towards your objective of makeing FreeBSD an easy to install system. I'm trying to install FreeBSD on my home machine connected to work via a 28.8 SLIP connection. I have installed FreeBSD at work before and I must say that it was very easy to install on machines that have an ethernet connection. SLIP on the otherhand I'm not finding so easy. What I'm trying to do now is to follow the directions for "Installing From a MS-DOS" partition. The problem is that this assumes you've got a CD-ROM to copy the distribution from. I'm lookng for the place where I can ftp a base system from and then ftp other packages as I need them. I know that this can take a while over a modem and am will to wait for it, but changing to PPP is something I'd like to wait till I have a stable system running. Thanks, Keith -- // Keith Beattie Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL) \\ // SFSU Grad Student Imaging and Distributed Computing Group (ITG) \\ // KSBeattie@lbl.gov http://www-itg.lbl.gov/~beattie \\ // 1 Cyclotron Rd. MS: 50B-2239 Berkeley, CA 94720 (510) 486-6692 \\ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 18:01:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18596 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18589; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199607030101.SAA18589@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jfieber@indiana.edu, doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606250307.DAA09681@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Jun 24, 96 09:07:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean Kelly wrote: > > >>>>> "John" == John Fieber writes: > > John> In that case, can we just hold the changes until stable is > John> out the door as 2.1.5? That way they won't accidentally get > John> swept in. > > Absolutely. I'll resend them after 2.1.5. Or better yet, add a blurb stating which features/sections only apply to post 2.1.5 systems, so that 2.1.5 users who access the handbook via www.freebsd.org don't post questions asking why the feature described in the handbook doesn't work on their system. I did this for part of the quota section of the handbook. Then your printing section changes can go in right away. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 19:01:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26408 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26399 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06514; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:01:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:01:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Mike Pritchard cc: Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml In-Reply-To: <199607030101.SAA18589@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Or better yet, add a blurb stating which features/sections > only apply to post 2.1.5 systems, so that 2.1.5 users who The Docbook DTD has facilities to tag essentially any element with things like version numbers so in processing, we could either select only specific versions, or identify things as being version specific. For those interested, I've been chewing away at a docbook->html conversion and things are looking pretty good so far. It handles most of the documentation for the docbook DTD (about 2 megabytes!) pretty well, and I just picked up some other sample documents for testing. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 19:08:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA27225 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA27217; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199607030208.TAA27217@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Jul 2, 96 09:01:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > Or better yet, add a blurb stating which features/sections > > only apply to post 2.1.5 systems, so that 2.1.5 users who > > The Docbook DTD has facilities to tag essentially any element > with things like version numbers so in processing, we could > either select only specific versions, or identify things as being > version specific. Since 90% of the users are going to look on the website, and not their local hard disk for this information, I think including pointers on which version of FreeBSD contains the feature in question is not out of line. It may also help convince some users to upgrade from older/stale version if they see some neat feature they need. This may be something we should look at doing in the future, but right now the handbook is too much of a moving target, and trying to maintain/test/view multiple "versions" from the same source seems like too much of a time-sink to me. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 2 19:19:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA28430 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28421 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06553; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:18:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Mike Pritchard cc: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml In-Reply-To: <199607030208.TAA27217@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Mike Pritchard wrote: > This may be something we should look at doing in the future, > but right now the handbook is too much of a moving target, > and trying to maintain/test/view multiple "versions" from > the same source seems like too much of a time-sink to me. In docbook, it would go something like this: Blah blah blah... In release 2.1.0, Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah... The basic algorithm for processing would be: if (element.version != NULL && element.version != x) ignore_element(); which might work okay for generating versions that actually ship with a release, but for the version on the web server, the version attribute should just be used to mark the particular section as being version specific. The latter is probably a better approach anyway, but the markup can easily facilitate both. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 3 07:45:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14017 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13997 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24140; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:45:46 GMT Message-Id: <199607031445.OAA24140@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013225145; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:45:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:45:46 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jfieber@indiana.edu Cc: mpp@freefall.freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: (message from John Fieber on Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:01:02 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "John" == John Fieber writes: John> For those interested, I've been chewing away at a John> docbook->html conversion and things are looking pretty good John> so far. It handles most of the documentation for the John> docbook DTD (about 2 megabytes!) pretty well, and I just John> picked up some other sample documents for testing. Yow! I've just downloaded the docbook DTD and references, and got myself subscribed to the Davenport email list. From what I've seen so far, I like it. It's seems quite comprehensive. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 3 07:53:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14644 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14634 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24189; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:53:50 GMT Message-Id: <199607031453.OAA24189@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013365630; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:53:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:53:50 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: mpp@freefall.freebsd.org Cc: jfieber@indiana.edu, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607030208.TAA27217@freefall.freebsd.org> (message from Mike Pritchard on Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:08:21 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Pritchard writes: Mike> Since 90% of the users are going to look on the website, and Mike> not their local hard disk for this information, ... And that's something we could fix by including in the default X11 desktop a window opened to the handbook---or at least an icon that says `Handbook.' I haven't played with Windows, but HP/UX's and OS/2's default GUIs include copious hypertext by default. Is there any chance lynx and a GUI web browser could be standard in /usr/{,X11R6}/bin? A special contract with Netscape? If not Netscape, how about tkWWW (I'm biased towards Tcl/Tk ... see you at the Tcl/Tk Workshop '96!) ? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 3 14:39:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27773 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27762; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09217; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: James Raynard cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, jhs@freebsd.org, hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html In-Reply-To: <199607021112.LAA01006@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, James Raynard wrote: > I've got far too much time (but hardly any disk space or bandwidth) > and have thought for some time that the FAQ needs some work done on > it. In the impending revolution with the handbook/FAQ processing machinery, there is a great opportunity. Namely, I'm thinking of a DTD tuned for FAQ use. It would use the same low level elements as Docbook, but wrapped in an FAQ structure. If you have any thoughts about what the ideal structure for the killer FAQ would be, let me know! Much more sophisticated manipulation of the document will be possible. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 3 20:32:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23620 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23610 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28118; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:32:07 GMT Message-Id: <199607040332.DAA28118@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070161128; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:32:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:32:09 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: mpp@freefall.freebsd.org Cc: jfieber@indiana.edu, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607030101.SAA18589@freefall.freebsd.org> (message from Mike Pritchard on Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:01:16 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Pritchard writes: Mike> Sean Kelly wrote: >> Absolutely. I'll resend them after 2.1.5. Mike> Or better yet, add a blurb stating which features/sections Mike> only apply to post 2.1.5 systems, ... I thought it was too late for 2.1.5, though. Aren't we in code-freeze mode? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 3 20:41:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24138 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24128; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28061; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:30:50 GMT Message-Id: <199607040330.DAA28061@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA068951051; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:30:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:30:51 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jfieber@indiana.edu Cc: fdocs@jraynard.demon.co.uk, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, jhs@freebsd.org, hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from John Fieber on Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:35:49 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "John" == John Fieber writes: John> If you have any thoughts about what the ideal John> structure for the killer FAQ would be, let me know! Hmmm ... I like Bresler's engineering-style suggestion Printing; setup; help with /etc/printcap file Printing; problems; printing works but is slow Printing; problems; no output Printing; problems; stair-case effect which might suggest something akin to printing setup help with /etc/printcap file See the handbook section on Printing for complete information on setting up your /etc/printcap file. problems printing works but is slow Change the lpt driver from interrupt to polled mode. no output Check the /var/log/lpd-errs files. If you see ... stair-case effect Adjust the printer with a blunt instrument ... Of course, this is letting the output drive how the SGML looks, which shouldn't be the case. Still, marking up categories would help organize the material and such an organization could have a totally different presentation than in the example above. And that solves the main problem with most FAQs: organization. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 4 03:54:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19515 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA19509 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id aj03245; 4 Jul 96 11:53 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa04345; 4 Jul 96 11:51 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05149; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:26:24 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:26:24 GMT Message-Id: <199607040026.AAA05149@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov CC: mpp@freefall.freebsd.org, jfieber@indiana.edu, doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199607031453.OAA24189@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> (message from Sean Kelly on Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:53:50 -0600) Subject: Re: Updates to printing.sgml Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Sean Kelly writes: > > >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Pritchard writes: > Mike> Since 90% of the users are going to look on the website, and > Mike> not their local hard disk for this information, ... > > And that's something we could fix by including in the default X11 > desktop a window opened to the handbook---or at least an icon that > says `Handbook.' I haven't played with Windows, but HP/UX's and > OS/2's default GUIs include copious hypertext by default. This could easily be done by including lynx in the base system with file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html as its default home page, and putting a menu item for it in the default window manager config. Isn't there some way of firing up lynx from inside sysinstall? > A special contract with Netscape? He who sups with the devil must have a long spoon... > If not > Netscape, how about tkWWW (I'm biased towards Tcl/Tk ... see you at > the Tcl/Tk Workshop '96!) ? This could be an opportunity for you and your fellow Tcl zealots to confound the sceptics. :-) -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 4 16:49:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19441 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trex.centroin.com.br (trex.centroin.com.br [200.255.215.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19356 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du40.centroin.com.br (du40.centroin.com.br [200.255.215.40]) by trex.centroin.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA19077 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:47:42 -0300 Message-Id: <199607042347.UAA19077@trex.centroin.com.br> From: "Ricardo AG" To: "doc@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 04 Jul 96 20:24:19 -0300 Reply-To: "Ricardo AG" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Ricardo AG's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Network setup Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I recognize I was wrong posting the text as a MIME encoding... :-) Here it comes, plain text. Comments are Welcome ---------------%< ---------------- --------------------------------------------- SETTING UP NAMED, PPP AND A PROXY USING FREEBSD ----------------------------------------------- Ricardo AG Almeida (ricardag@ag.com.br/ag@centroin.com.br) Maybe one of the most frequent questions asked by novice FreeBSD users is "Ok, I had set up my FreeBSD box; but how can I connect this box (and, perhaps, my whole network) to the Internet via a dial-up or permanent PPP connection?" Well, I had asked myself this question some months ago. As long as I had found a way (certainly it's not the better solution, but it is working to me), let me show you how I set it up. 1) Case study ------------- As long as it's easier to explain how to do by example, let me show you what I had done. First, I had set up an internal TCP/IP-based network using one FreeBSD box working as an file and print server. The client stations runs OS/2, Windows NT, Windows 95 and - of course - FreeBSD. This was a relatively easy task, and my "Intranet" was up and running in a couple of days. So, I decided to connect the whole network to the Internet, via a dial-up connection to my ISP using PPP. And the problems started to pop... 2) IP Addresses and etc. ----------------------- First, I had discovered that my initial IP address allocation must be changed. I had built my net choosing random IP adresses, and too late I realized that when I connect this network to the Internet there will be addresses conflicts. Choosing the correct IP addresses is very important if you wish to connect to the Internet. Even if you don't have this need today, think ahead and start doing the right thing now! The second thing is the connectivity. My ISP assigns me a dynamic IP address each time I connect, and only one address. How can I connect the several stations to the ISP, for concurrent use, with only one address? The answer I had, asking my friends, was: "Use a Proxy!" Looking for a proxy that runs with FreeBSD, I had found the CERN httpd - it's a HTTP (WWW) server that can act as a proxy, too. So, after all these things, I had realized that I needed to: a) set up my network with the rigth IP adresses; b) set up my name server; c) use a Proxy; d) set up the PPP connection; e) dial up my ISP; Lets see how to do this, step by step. Note that you are using a standalone FreeBSD box, you can skip the Proxy setup, as long as it's not needed in this case. 3) Assigning the correct IP addresses ------------------------------------- I had to change all the IP addresses in use to meet the private IP address subranging. I had chosen the private Class-A range 10.x.x.x, and my net has now the following internal adresses: Client 1 10.0.0.1 Client 2 10.0.0.2 . . . Server (FreeBSD) 10.0.0.99 These are safe addresses to use, since they never will be assigned by the InterNIC to any official Internet site. 4) Setting up the name server -------------------------- The second step was set up my DNS. To accomplish this task, I must start "named" with the correct settings. In the following examples, the choosen domain name was "ag.com.br". You must replace all the occurrences of this name with your own domain. Pay attention that "ag.com.br" is my domain name, not the ISP domain name! The name server setup is useful even if you don't plan to connect you network to the Internet. Is easier, for instance, to telnet "server@ag.com.br" than remembering to telnet 10.0.0.99. And if you need to change some IP address, there will be only one place to change. To set up your name server, you must change (or create) the following files: 4.1) /etc/sysconfig -------------- Set to the name of your host - this is pretty important! hostname="ptero.ag.com.br" Be sure that the following settings are also present: defaultdomainname=NO defaultrouter=NO routedflags="-s" namedflags="-b /etc/namedb/named.boot" gateway=NO gated=NO 4.2) /etc/namedb/named.boot ---------------------- This file must have the following content: directory /etc/namedb primary ag.com.br ag.hosts primary 0.0.10.IN-ADDR.ARPA ag.rev primary 0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA localhost.rev cache . named.root Remember that "ag.com.br" must be replaced by your own domain name, and that I assume that your internal net uses the 10.0.0.x IP addresses. If you don't have a net, but a standalone FreeBSD box, you must set the named.boot as following: directory /etc/namedb primary 0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA localhost.rev cache . named.root and, of course, in this case there is no need to set up ag.hosts and ag.rev. 4.3) /etc/namedb/ag.hosts -------------------- This file describes the names in the internal network, and must have a content like this: @ IN SOA ptero.ag.com.br. root.ptero.ag.com.br. ( 9606252104 ; Serial 3600 ; Refresh 300 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 3600 ) ; Minimum IN NS ptero.ag.com.br. localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 ptero IN A 10.0.0.99 ricardo IN A 10.0.0.2 gustavo IN A 10.0.0.1 www IN CNAME ptero ftp IN CNAME ptero ptero IN MX 0 ptero ricardo IN MX 0 ptero gustavo IN MX 0 ptero ag.com.br IN MX 0 ptero Notes: 1) I used the date and time of each edit as the serial number. In this example, the file was last modified at Jun 25, 1996 at 21:04; 1) The server name is "ptero", and there are two stations named "ricardo" and "gustavo"; 2) The addresses are: ptero 10.0.0.99, ricardo 10.0.0.2 and gustavo 10.0.0.1; 3) I had set up two aliases to the server: "www" and "ftp". So, to reach my server, someone may use any of "ptero.ag.com.br", "www.ag.com.br" and "ftp.ag.com.br". Any one of these names leads to the 10.0.0.99 machine. 4.4) /etc/namedb/ag.rev ------------------ This file resolves the IP addresses to the station names. It's contents must be synchronized with ag.hosts, so: @ IN SOA ptero.ag.com.br. root.ptero.ag.com.br. ( 9606252104 ; Serial 3600 ; Refresh 300 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 3600 ) ; Minimum IN NS ptero.ag.com.br. 1 IN PTR gustavo.ag.com.br 2 IN PTR ricardo.ag.com.br 99 IN PTR ptero.ag.com.br Notes: 1) I used the date and time of each edit as the serial number. In this example, the file was last modified at Jun 25, 1996 at 21:04; 1) The server name is "ptero", and there are two stations named "ricardo" and "gustavo"; 2) The addresses are: ptero 10.0.0.99, ricardo 10.0.0.2 and gustavo 10.0.0.1; 4.5) /etc/namedb/localhost.rev ------------------------- This file is automatically edited by the 'make-localhost' script in the /etc/namedb directory, but it's contents is: @ IN SOA ptero.ag.com.br. root.ptero.ag.com.br. ( 960625 ; Serial 3600 ; Refresh 300 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 3600 ) ; Minimum IN NS ptero.ag.com.br. 99 IN PTR localhost.ag.com.br. 5) Setting up the Proxy -------------------- As the Proxy server, I choosed the CERN httpd version 3.0. It's freely available at http://www.w3.org, and you must retrieve the source code for the server and for the WWW library before you compile it under FreeBSD. If you don't know how to build a port, refer to the appropriate document in the FreeBSD Handbook. It's easy. In my example, I had set up the httpd file at /usr/local/libexec, and the server_root dir at /usr/local/cern-httpd/server_root. Once you compiled the httpd server, you must set up it's config file: 5.1) /etc/httpd.conf --------------- You can use, for start, the supplied proxy.conf file as a base to create httpd.conf. You must change, only, the line that stays: ServerRoot /where/ever/cern_httpd to ServerRoot /usr/local/cern-httpd Read the CERN docs if you want to know more about it. For now, this is the only change needed to get working. 5.2) /etc/rc.local ------------- Include, at the end of rc.local, the following lines: echo 'Starting CERN httpd' /usr/local/libexec/httpd -d -p 80 It will start the proxy at each boot as a daemon (the "-d" option). The "-p 80" argument stands for the proxy using port 80. In my case, it was adequate. 5.3) /etc/sysconfig -------------- Be sure that the following line is set up in the sysconfig file: apache_httpd="NO" It will assure that you are running only one httpd server. If you are already using Apache, you have two choices: a) Copy the html files and related stuff (images, scripts, etc) to the CERN data directory (in this example, /usr/local/cern-httpd/server_root/data; b) Wait until Apache works as a proxy (there is a beta version available at the time this document is being written). 6) Setting up the PPP connection ----------------------------- I choosed to set up the PPP connection using the stand-alone PPP (aka IIJ-PPP) instead of building a kernel and use pppd. To use PPP, you must set the following files: 6.1) /etc/ppp/ppp.conf ----------------- In this example, my provider is called CIP, my modem is set up at the COM1 (so I use the /dev/cuaa0 device), and the speed is locked at 57600 bps: # # Default setup. Executed always when PPP is invoked. # default: set debug none disable pred1 deny pred1 disable lqr deny lqr set timeout 600 CIP: set device /dev/cuaa0 set speed 57600 set timeout 120 set ifaddr 0 0 6.2) /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup ------------------- Here is the contents of my ppp.linkup file: MYADDR: add 0 0 HISADDR 6.3) /etc/ttys --------- In order to set up the modem, I created the following entry at /etc/ttys: # Serial terminals ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.57600" vt100 on (I choose vt100 as terminal because I can dial from home) 6.4) /etc/gettytab ------------- Set up an entry to 57600 bps locked baud rate: std.57600|57600-baud:\ :np:sp#57600: 6.5) /etc/rc.serial -------------- Initialize the comm port correctly; locate for # Edit the functions and the examples to suit your system. # # maybe 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f g h i j k l m # mouse 2 # modem 0 1 # terminal 0 and insert, after it, the following line: modem 0 Note that I presume that your modem is in the COM1 port. If you have the modem at COM2:, replace with "modem 1", at COM3: with "modem 2" and so on. 7) Dial up the ISP --------------- Now is the so awaited moment: connect with the ISP! I know that I must have built a dial script for this job be more complete. But in a couple of weeks I will have a permanent PPP link with my ISP, so I choose not to write it. If someone have a step-by-step guide on how to do this, feel free to add it at this point... For now, you can dial by hand. Before start, you must put all the changes in effect. The easiest way to do this is rebooting the server (yes, I know that it's not wise to do this, but I'm lazy...) Log-on in the server as root (because the port is owned by getty), and starts > ppp CIP (Remember that in /ppp/etc/conf I had stated that my ISP is called CIP) You will receive the prompt like: ppp on ptero> ("ptero" is my server name, do you remember?) Write "term" and press ENTER to enter terminal mode. Now you are connected with the modem. Send an "AT" to check that it is working: you must receive an "OK" answer. Send now the dial string (for instance, ATDT222-3344), and log in. Once you are logged, you will receive the ppp prompt but this time in uppercase: PPP on ptero> 8) Test at the server ------------------ Open another window and try to "ping" someone in the "outside world": ping www.freebsd.org Got it? Good! Start you favorite browser (for instance, lynx): lynx http://www.freebsd.org Got it again? Good! You are now on the air! 9) Test at the stations -------------------- First, let's test our name server. Try to "ping" the server from the station: ping ptero.ag.com.br Got it? Now try to "ping" outside: ping www.freebsd.org Got it again? Good boy! Now is the time to test the proxy. The trickiest part is that you must configure the software at the stations to use a proxy. Don't forget that, in this example, we are started the proxy at ptero.ag.com.br, and stated that the proxy port is 80. So, configure your software to use, as proxy, "ptero.ag.com.br:80". 10) Accepting external calls ------------------------ So you want to be an Internet provider? No problem. All you have to add is another login shell, and do minor changes at the PPP file: 10.1) /etc/shells ----------- add a line saying: /usr/local/bin/ppplogin 10.2) /usr/local/ppplogin ------------------- #!/bin/sh /usr/sbin/ppp -direct PPPUSERS 10.3) /etc/ppp/ppp.conf ----------------- default: set debug none disable pred1 deny pred1 disable lqr deny lqr set timeout 600 PPPUSERS: set ifaddr 10.0.1.99/25 10.0.1.199/25 For each external user that will connect to you via PPP, replace the login shell with "ppplogin" when adding the user. You are now on your own. Good luck and enjoy! ---------------%< ---------------- --------------------------------------------- []'s Ricardo AG From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 5 08:12:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA22402 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22392; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA01312; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607051512.IAA01312@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@freebsd.org CC: doc@freebsd.org Subject: "Jordan's picks" in handbook From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There now is a Triton-2 based board from Asus. It supports parity and works fine for FreeBSD (I have one). Satoshi From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 5 11:12:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18404 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18394 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01I6PMS7ZDUOCQ8QGA@Arizona.EDU> for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jul 1996 11:11:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11512; Fri, 05 Jul 1996 11:10:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 11:10:24 -0700 From: Doug Wellington Subject: Chapter 14 on Mail? To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Message-id: <9607051810.AA11512@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all... I just subscribed to this list a bit ago, but since I'm impatient ;-) I didn't want to wait the "week" to see if this is being discussed... Who is working on the mail chapter in the Handbook? Can I help? I better send this quickly before rational thought catches up with me and I decide I don't really want to take on any more projects... ;-) -Doug Doug Wellington doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov System and Network Administrator US Geological Survey, Tucson, AZ Project Office According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"...? From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 5 12:08:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27227 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27178 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA18348 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 12:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <18315.836593680.1@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: How would you like the FreeBSD DOC CD presented/indexed? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Original Message To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: How would you like the FreeBSD DOC CD presented/indexed? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 12:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <18315.836593680@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Those of you who got the previous DOC CD (or heard me talk about it) know that: 1. I had nothing to do with it. 2. I was not particularly pleased at how it was put together. To be specific, it wasn't very easy to use and the data was not provided in a format that lent itself to searching or re-use. Now, as a direct result of #2, #1 has changed - I'm going to do the next DOC CD and I'm currently looking over ways of presenting the data. My basic concept so far is that I'll provide the news in its original form along with a tiny "nntp" equivalent that just delivers the news off the CDROM to a standard newsreader configured to point at localhost, and the mailing lists will be provided also in raw form with a pre-created glimpse databse for easy searching. Anything else people would like to see on this CD, or ways in which they'd like the news/mail indexed? Please speak up now! :-) Thanks! Jordan ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 5 15:27:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16410 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16403 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA08858 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How would you like the FreeBSD DOC CD presented/indexed? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-ID: Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Content-Description: There's probably a lot I'm missing here, but for what it's worth: I'd like to be able to read the news groups with the newreader of my choice--tin, right now--or at least one that does a good job on threads. My problem with glimpse has always been that the output is a list of filenames, sometimes a very long list. I've got a dos program (Lotus Magellan) that indexes much like glimpse; but the search output is a vertically split screen with the list of filename "hits" on the left and the text of the (first) file on the right. One can then arrow down the list of filenames on the left or the text on the right (and further search for strings). It's also possible to extract text and send it to a file. Magellan also has file viewers, so it will correctly display text that's zipped or in the format of a particular word processor or spreadsheet. Unfortunately they quit selling it three years ago--guess my enthusiasm was not widely enough shared. Zach Heilig mentioned on "questions" recently that he sets up "fake" newsgroups for reading mailing lists, then reads then with a news reader....which I think produces threads. This might be a possibility. In any case it would be nice to be able to search only for answers and by date (after YYMM or whatever). Annelise ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Content-Description: Original Message To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: How would you like the FreeBSD DOC CD presented/indexed? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 12:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <18315.836593680@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Those of you who got the previous DOC CD (or heard me talk about it) know that: 1. I had nothing to do with it. 2. I was not particularly pleased at how it was put together. To be specific, it wasn't very easy to use and the data was not provided in a format that lent itself to searching or re-use. Now, as a direct result of #2, #1 has changed - I'm going to do the next DOC CD and I'm currently looking over ways of presenting the data. My basic concept so far is that I'll provide the news in its original form along with a tiny "nntp" equivalent that just delivers the news off the CDROM to a standard newsreader configured to point at localhost, and the mailing lists will be provided also in raw form with a pre-created glimpse databse for easy searching. Anything else people would like to see on this CD, or ways in which they'd like the news/mail indexed? Please speak up now! :-) Thanks! Jordan ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa--