From owner-freebsd-emulation Sun Dec 1 23:24:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA07744 for emulation-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from deceased.hb.north.de (deceased.hb.north.de [194.94.232.249]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07738 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from jelal.hb.north.de by deceased.hb.north.de with uucp (Smail3.2) id m0vUShX-0016ESC; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:22:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by jelal.hb.north.de (SMail-ST 0.95gcc/2.5+) id AA00103; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:16:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.hb.north.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10494; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:12:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:12:18 +0100 From: nox@jelal.hb.north.de (Juergen Lock) To: pgiffuni@apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro Giffuni) Cc: marc@bowtie.nl (Marc van Kempen), emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux's VRgopher References: <199611211743.SAA26095@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.50-PL0 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from Pedro Giffuni on Nov 21, 1996 13:51:06 -0500 Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pedro Giffuni writes: > Nope: > ________________________________________ > apolo# ./gophervr > resolv+: "bind" is an invalid keyword > resolv+: "hosts" is an invalid keyword > _________________________________________ > > Probably it's some incomplete support in 2.1.5. well. linux uses resolv+, you can hack around this problem by creating a resolv+ format host.conf (`order bind,hosts'...) somewhere else like in /compat/linux/etc and pointing an environment variable to it. I can look up the details if you need them, i haven't installed this right now sorry... cheers, Juergen From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Dec 2 08:56:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00168 for emulation-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00128 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem09.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.39]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA06804; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:44:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A3229F.6B4A@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 10:40:31 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Lock CC: Marc van Kempen , emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux's VRgopher References: <199611211743.SAA26095@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That mail is old ;)... The problem was that I forgot to define the environment variable. I wanted to port this some day, but I am working on other stuff rught now. Thanks anyway! Pedro. Juergen Lock wrote: > > Pedro Giffuni writes: ..... > well. linux uses resolv+, you can hack around this problem by > creating a resolv+ format host.conf (`order bind,hosts'...) > somewhere else like in /compat/linux/etc and pointing an > environment variable to it. > > I can look up the details if you need them, i haven't installed > this right now sorry... > > cheers, > Juergen From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Dec 2 16:34:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24363 for emulation-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24356 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02327 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:34:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 96 16:25:45 PST From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: WABI for Linux on FBSD? To: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Now that Caldera (sp?) has the license of WABI from Sun and has it running so well under Linux I was wondering if the Linux emulation under FBSD was good enough to run it as well? -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 12/02/96 16:25:45 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Dec 2 17:07:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26034 for emulation-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26028 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id LAA06554; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:36:52 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612030106.LAA06554@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? In-Reply-To: from "Sean J. Schluntz" at "Dec 2, 96 04:25:45 pm" To: schluntz@pinpt.com (Sean J. Schluntz) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:36:51 +1030 (CST) Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean J. Schluntz stands accused of saying: > Now that Caldera (sp?) has the license of WABI from Sun and has it > running so well under Linux I was wondering if the Linux emulation under > FBSD was good enough to run it as well? No idea. You have a copy you can send to one or more of the Linux emulation advocates? We're not made of money, and Caldera are a long way away from here 8( (or is it free? an amusing idea...) > Sean J. Schluntz -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Dec 2 17:32:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27443 for emulation-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27438 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA06979; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:31:49 -0800 (PST) To: "Sean J. Schluntz" cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Dec 1996 16:25:45 PST." Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 17:31:49 -0800 Message-ID: <6975.849576709@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Now that Caldera (sp?) has the license of WABI from Sun and has it > running so well under Linux I was wondering if the Linux emulation under > FBSD was good enough to run it as well? I'm hoping that the Caldera folks will soon ship me the copy they promised at COMDEX so that I can find out. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 00:13:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18387 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (disn48.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.48]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18382 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.7.3) id JAA04258; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:15:55 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612030815.JAA04258@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:15:55 +0100 (MET) From: "Soren Schmidt" Cc: schluntz@pinpt.com, emulation@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6975.849576709@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 2, 96 05:31:49 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > > > Now that Caldera (sp?) has the license of WABI from Sun and has it > > running so well under Linux I was wondering if the Linux emulation under > > FBSD was good enough to run it as well? > > I'm hoping that the Caldera folks will soon ship me the copy they > promised at COMDEX so that I can find out. :-) Let me know how it turns out, I think I know the emulator good enough to fix what might be broken :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 09:24:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00422 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Mail.IDT.NET (mail.idt.net [198.4.75.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00403 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup154.bv.sgi.net (nofear19@dialup154.bv.sgi.net [206.151.181.158]) by Mail.IDT.NET (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06779 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:23:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32B5AF9F.58F5@mail.idt.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:22:55 -0800 From: Jason Wadsworth X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: my email is nofear19.idt.net X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook19.html#21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ill help ya:) From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 10:37:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04009 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04004 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05941; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:37:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 10:30:01 PST From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Sean J. Schluntz" Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <6975.849576709@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan, If they don't get it to you in the next month I will donate a copy. I was planning to get a copy anyway, I think I might be able to get the company to buy my copy so then I can donate the other to you. -Sean --- On Mon, 02 Dec 1996 17:31:49 -0800 "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Now that Caldera (sp?) has the license of WABI from Sun and has it > > running so well under Linux I was wondering if the Linux emulation under > > FBSD was good enough to run it as well? > > I'm hoping that the Caldera folks will soon ship me the copy they > promised at COMDEX so that I can find out. :-) > > Jordan > ---------------End of Original Message----------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 12/03/96 10:30:02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 11:43:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07373 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07362 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id JAA11358; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:38:16 -1000 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:38:16 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199612031938.JAA11358@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Sean J. Schluntz" "Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD?" (Dec 3, 10:30am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does WABI do Win95 or is it planned to? Richard From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 12:42:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10543 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:42:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10538 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06609; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:41:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 12:34:39 PST From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? To: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG, Richard Foulk X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199612031938.JAA11358@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Word is that Sun is working on a WABI95, but they do not have a relese date yet. -Sean --- On Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:38:16 -1000 Richard Foulk wrote: > Does WABI do Win95 or is it planned to? > > > Richard > ---------------End of Original Message----------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 12/03/96 12:34:40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 16:06:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23546 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23541 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07835; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:06:40 -0800 (PST) To: "Sean J. Schluntz" cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Dec 1996 10:30:01 PST." Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:06:40 -0800 Message-ID: <7831.849658000@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I might take you up on that - I've seen nothing in the mail so far. :-) Jordan > Jordan, > > If they don't get it to you in the next month I will donate a copy. I > was planning to get a copy anyway, I think I might be able to get the > company to buy my copy so then I can donate the other to you. > > -Sean > > --- On Mon, 02 Dec 1996 17:31:49 -0800 "Jordan K. Hubbard" > wrote: > > > Now that Caldera (sp?) has the license of WABI from Sun and has it > > > running so well under Linux I was wondering if the Linux emulation > under > > > FBSD was good enough to run it as well? > > > > I'm hoping that the Caldera folks will soon ship me the copy they > > promised at COMDEX so that I can find out. :-) > > > > Jordan > > > > ---------------End of Original Message----------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sean J. Schluntz > Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 > PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 > 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 > San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ > > Local Time Sent: 12/03/96 10:30:02 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 16:25:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24516 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24511 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07971; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:25:50 -0800 (PST) To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Dec 1996 09:38:16 -1000." <199612031938.JAA11358@pegasus.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:25:50 -0800 Message-ID: <7968.849659150@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does WABI do Win95 or is it planned to? It is planned. It is currenting running Microsoft Office95, in fact, though only in BETA. Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Dec 3 19:14:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01933 for emulation-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamby1.lightside.net (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01924 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jehamby@localhost) by hamby1.lightside.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id DAA00243; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 03:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: hamby1.lightside.net: jehamby owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 03:21:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@hamby1 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Richard Foulk , emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WABI for Linux on FBSD? In-Reply-To: <7968.849659150@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Does WABI do Win95 or is it planned to? > > It is planned. It is currenting running Microsoft Office95, in fact, > though only in BETA. Now that is _interesting_. That is actually something I'd like to have at work, on Solaris, not to mention FreeBSD at home. The only problem is that these things tend to work fine with typical office apps, but not development tools, so it's VERY unlikely it'd run Visual C++, which is what I'd *really* like to have. It would be nice if the current version of WABI at least supported Win32s, but I don't think it does. -- Jake From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 09:54:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA11091 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.fasts.com (server.fasts.com [199.125.215.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11052 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.fasts.com ([194.8.13.242]) by fasts.com with SMTP id <29-219>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:54:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:54:06 +0000 () From: Victor Rotanov To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Whats the status of windows emulation? When xwin from Willows Software will be ready for freebsd? Are there any other windows binary emulators? Whats the status of BSDi's rundos emulator? Why NetBSD's version of dosemu cant be ported to FreeBSD? When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 16:41:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id QAA25390 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25367; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cactus.fi.uba.ar by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vVRrp-0008tWC; Wed, 4 Dec 96 16:40 PST Received: (from msagre@localhost) by cactus.fi.uba.ar (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA15141; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:07:33 -0300 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:07:32 -0300 (ARST) From: Miguel Angel Sagreras To: emulation@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Running ORACLE 7.2.2.4 on FreeBSD 2.2-SNAP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To get ORACLE 7.2.2.4 for SCO running on FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP, I have to modify two system call in the IBCS2 emulator. The first one was the system call ulimit, it returns -1 on type conversion between the 64 bits in the FreeBSD ffs and 32 bits type SCO fs causing ORACLE exit. The second one was signal system call, I had to mask IBCS2_..._MASK in it, I haven't IBCS2 reference manual, to modify the source to get the rigth code. To see the signal systemcall problem. I run the SCO binary of the next program. #include #include #include #include #include int sid; struct sembuf sb; int time; void sigalarm (int id) { signal (0x100|SIGALRM, sigalarm); alarm (1); printf ("%d %s\n",time+1, (time) ? "times" : "time"); time++; semop (sid, &sb, 1); } main () { sid = semget (1234, 5, IPC_CREAT|0666); sb.sem_num = 1; sb.sem_op = -1; sb.sem_flg = 0; signal (0x100|SIGALRM, sigalarm); alarm (1); semop (sid, &sb, 1); return 0; } When I run it on SCO, I got this output. 1 time 2 times 3 times 4 times .... But when I run in FreeBSD, I got only this. 1 time Here, you have the modification I did. In file ibcs2_misc.c function ibcs2_ulimit case IBCS2_GETFSIZE: *retval = p->p_rlimit[RLIMIT_FSIZE].rlim_cur; if (*retval == -1) (*retval)--; return 0; In ibcs2_signal.c function ibcs2_sigsys int ibcs2_sigsys(p, uap, retval) register struct proc *p; struct ibcs2_sigsys_args *uap; int *retval; { struct sigaction sa; int signum; int error; caddr_t sg = stackgap_init(); uap->sig &= 0xff; signum = ibcs2_to_bsd_sig[IBCS2_SIGNO(SCARG(uap, sig))]; Miguel A. Sagreras Facultad de ingenieria Universidad de Buenos Aires e-mail : msagre@cactus.fi.uba.ar From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 16:52:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id QAA26176 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26169 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id LAA18587; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:22:16 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612050052.LAA18587@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: from Victor Rotanov at "Dec 4, 96 07:54:06 pm" To: vitjok@fasts.com (Victor Rotanov) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:22:15 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Victor Rotanov stands accused of saying: > > Whats the status of windows emulation? When xwin from Willows Software > will be ready for freebsd? Are there any other windows binary emulators? 1) Various 2) It may be already; you'll have to ask them. The Willows TWIN XPDK now costs $5000.00 a seat, so you may not want to pursue that any further. 3) - Wine (/usr/ports/emulators/wine) - bochs (runs win95, http://world.std.com/~bochs/ ) > Whats the status of BSDi's rundos emulator? Why NetBSD's version of > dosemu cant be ported to FreeBSD? 1) Waiting on vm86 implementation. Perhaps some words of encouragement to Sean Fagan would be in order, or perhaps some real help. 2) See 1) > When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? I don't know. Perhaps you could do some giving rather than taking and do the port yourself? As a general note to the readers of this list : There isn't some little group of 'emulation wizards' who have nothing else to do other than work on this stuff. If you think something would be worthwhile, _please_ consider contributing yourself. Even if you feel that your programming skills are inadequate, have a go. It takes much less time for one of us to look at your code and give you a review than it would for us to do the work from scratch, and time is the one resource we are most short of. So, if you have a particular stake in some emulation, please think about what you might be able to do to help us improve it. Please? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 17:37:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id RAA29183 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29156; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id MAA18971; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:00:17 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612050130.MAA18971@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Running ORACLE 7.2.2.4 on FreeBSD 2.2-SNAP In-Reply-To: from Miguel Angel Sagreras at "Dec 4, 96 09:07:32 pm" To: msagre@cactus.fi.uba.ar (Miguel Angel Sagreras) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:00:16 +1030 (CST) Cc: emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Miguel Angel Sagreras stands accused of saying: > > To get ORACLE 7.2.2.4 for SCO running on FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP, I have to ... can anyone confirm that this works for them too? If so, I'll commit the changes. Thanks Miguel! -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 17:47:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id RAA29689 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from haus.efn.org (haus.efn.org [198.68.17.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29676 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (j_mini@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by haus.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08177; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (j_mini@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA21888; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:46:26 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: j_mini owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mini To: Michael Smith cc: Victor Rotanov , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: <199612050052.LAA18587@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Whats the status of BSDi's rundos emulator? Why NetBSD's version of > > dosemu cant be ported to FreeBSD? > > 1) Waiting on vm86 implementation. Perhaps some words of encouragement > to Sean Fagan would be in order, or perhaps some real help. > 2) See 1) I can do this, I am just _extremely_ short on time.... I will see what time I can take to write v86 support for the FreeBSD kernel. I just can't make an promises on a timeframe... worst case says I won't have _any_ time to touch the source until April. Possibly July. =( Jon Mini, j_mini@efn.org, mini@4j.lane.edu GAMMA Development Team -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...." little.blue.engine:Reality Protection Fault. (core dumped) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 17:51:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id RAA29855 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29848; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13134; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:50:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:50:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199612050150.SAA13134@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Miguel Angel Sagreras Cc: emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running ORACLE 7.2.2.4 on FreeBSD 2.2-SNAP In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To get ORACLE 7.2.2.4 for SCO running on FreeBSD 2.2-961014-SNAP, I have to > modify two system call in the IBCS2 emulator. The first one was > the system call ulimit, it returns -1 on type conversion between > the 64 bits in the FreeBSD ffs and 32 bits type SCO fs causing > ORACLE exit. I've submitted this fix to the code in -current. > The second one was signal system call, I had to mask > IBCS2_..._MASK in it, I haven't IBCS2 reference manual, to modify > the source to get the rigth code. I need more time to look at this one. Does anyone else have a manual handy to check out what the code is supposed to do? Is the supplied fix correct? Nate From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 17:52:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id RAA29954 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29948 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id MAA19140; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:21:58 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612050151.MAA19140@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: vm86 help In-Reply-To: from Jonathan Mini at "Dec 4, 96 05:46:25 pm" To: j_mini@efn.org (Jonathan Mini) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:21:57 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan Mini stands accused of saying: > > 1) Waiting on vm86 implementation. Perhaps some words of encouragement > > to Sean Fagan would be in order, or perhaps some real help. > > 2) See 1) > > I can do this, I am just _extremely_ short on time.... I will see what > time I can take to write v86 support for the FreeBSD kernel. I just can't > make an promises on a timeframe... worst case says I won't have _any_ time > to touch the source until April. Possibly July. =( ... then you should talk to Sean. (sef@freebsd.org). First challenge is to find out why changing the size of the sigframe struct makes the kernel unstable. > Jon Mini, j_mini@efn.org, mini@4j.lane.edu -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 19:16:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id TAA05490 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05481 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA04950; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:13:32 -0800 (PST) To: Victor Rotanov cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Dec 1996 19:54:06 GMT." Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 19:13:32 -0800 Message-ID: <4946.849755612@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Whats the status of windows emulation? When xwin from Willows Software > will be ready for freebsd? Are there any other windows binary emulators? 1. I don't know about xwin, Willows seems to have gone on to other things. 2. We're trying to get WABI 2.2 certified but that's slow going. > Whats the status of BSDi's rundos emulator? Why NetBSD's version of > dosemu cant be ported to FreeBSD? Michael Smith and Sean Eric Fagan have been asking for help on rundos for ages now - if you're willing to help out, please indicate as much to this list since help is what they need, not more people asking when it will be ready. :-). Simply porting NetBSD's dosemu is also not all that simple since our kernel interfaces are different. Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 19:51:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id TAA11185 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11180 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA23637; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:51:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:51:25 -0800 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199612050351.TAA23637@kithrup.com> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, vitjok@fasts.com Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation Cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Michael Smith and Sean Eric Fagan have been asking for help on rundos >for ages now - if you're willing to help out, please indicate as much >to this list since help is what they need, not more people asking when >it will be ready. :-). Simply porting NetBSD's dosemu is also not all >that simple since our kernel interfaces are different. Our kernel interfaces are *very* differnet -- the killer is that our locore.s is radically different these days, and only one or two people understand it ;). I do not happen to be one of those, so the inexplicable panics that are almost certainly due to stack manipulation problems can be... difficult ;). Sean. From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 21:00:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA14077 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14070 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA05593; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:58:14 -0800 (PST) To: Michael Smith cc: vitjok@fasts.com (Victor Rotanov), freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Dec 1996 11:22:15 +1030." <199612050052.LAA18587@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 20:58:14 -0800 Message-ID: <5590.849761894@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > - bochs (runs win95, http://world.std.com/~bochs/ ) Really? That's not on the feature list anywhere.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 21:08:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA14337 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14332 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id PAA20336; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:36:04 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612050506.PAA20336@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: <5590.849761894@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Dec 4, 96 08:58:14 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:36:03 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > - bochs (runs win95, http://world.std.com/~bochs/ ) > > Really? That's not on the feature list anywhere.. No, the page hasn't been updated in ages. However I have a GIF that was posted to the bochs mailing list a while back : ftp://gsoft.com.au/incoming/win95stuff.gif You'll notice it isn't perfect, but it really took the wind out of my sails with the PC-Emu stuff. 8( The copyright on it is a bit less friendly ($25 shareware), but it's so far ahead in some regards that I'm inclined to wonder... > Jordan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-emulation Wed Dec 4 21:33:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA15200 for emulation-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamby1.lightside.net (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15195 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jehamby@localhost) by hamby1.lightside.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA00388; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:20:08 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: hamby1.lightside.net: jehamby owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@hamby1 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Michael Smith , Victor Rotanov , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: <5590.849761894@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > - bochs (runs win95, http://world.std.com/~bochs/ ) > > Really? That's not on the feature list anywhere.. > > Jordan It still sounds a hell of a lot better than pcemu, even if it only runs DOS, Win3.1 and MINIX! Hell, it's better than the 286 board I had in my Amiga (cost me all of $70 :-) that randomly froze in Windows 3.1 and could play DOS games in CGA. Ah, those were the days.. I ought to try it out when my finals are over. If it's any good maybe I'll make a port. Then I'll port it to BeOS. ;-) -- Jake From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 01:28:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-emulation Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) id BAA26261 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA26256 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Thu, 5 Dec 96 10:27 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for vitjok@fasts.COM id ; Thu, 5 Dec 96 10:27 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20676; Thu, 5 Dec 96 10:12:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 10:12:39 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9612050912.AA20676@wavehh.hanse.de> To: vitjok@fasts.COM Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation Newsgroups: hanse-ml.freebsd.emulation References: Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? Well, what's the application you want it for? The only piece of SVR4/Solaris/x86 software I miss is the Java JDK. In the long term it's probably more efficient to do a port of teh JDK to FreeBSD on my own, run the Linux version or help the Kaffe folks. The NetBSD folks use SVR4 support to be able to run Solaris/Sparc binaries on the Sparc port. That's probably a wider range of software. SVR4 support is definitivly easier to do than the other emulators you mentioned. What you need to do is to exchange accesses to netBSD specific kernel data types, functions and places with FreeBSD's equivalents. Then, figure out how NetBSD's scripts that maps syscalls to library calls work and do the same for FreeBSD. Take FreeBSD's linux emulator and copy the pieces that recognize a binary that needs emulation and run it with an /emul tree. Look like a lot of detective work, but few things that are really hard to solve or require a new implementation of something. The only real issue is keeping Linux ELF binaries and Solaris Binaries (with are always ELF) different. NetBSD has the same problem. Most folks ended up compiling only one of Linux ELF *or* SVR4 into their kernels. In a word: Nothing I want to beat my head against. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin_Cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de http://cracauer.cons.org Fax.: +4940 5228536 "As far as I'm concerned, if something is so complicated that you can't ex- plain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway"- Calvin From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 13:43:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA07957 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA07942 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.41]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA06115; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A7693D.42F2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 16:30:53 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de CC: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation References: <9612050912.AA20676@wavehh.hanse.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Martin Cracauer wrote: > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > Well, what's the application you want it for? > How about WABI for SolarisX86 (itīs available isnīt it)? but thereīs also a Linux version now...would have to find out which is cheaper, but Linuxīs version would, almost surely, always be better supported by FreeBSD. Does this emulation include Unixware? > > The only real issue is keeping Linux ELF binaries and Solaris Binaries > (with are always ELF) different. NetBSD has the same problem. Most > folks ended up compiling only one of Linux ELF *or* SVR4 into their > kernels. > > In a word: Nothing I want to beat my head against. > FreeBSD distinguishes between Linuxīs ELF and fbsdīs ELF (never have seen one of those though) but I donīt know if thereīs an additional tag in FBSDīs ELFīs for that purpose. I always run a.outīs (I use 2.1.5), is there any particular advantage in using ELF? Pedro. > Martin > -- > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Martin_Cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de http://cracauer.cons.org Fax.: +4940 5228536 > "As far as I'm concerned, if something is so complicated that you can't ex- > plain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway"- Calvin From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 15:50:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA13090 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA13071; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199612052350.PAA13071@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:50:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9612050912.AA20676@wavehh.hanse.de> from "Martin Cracauer" at Dec 5, 96 10:12:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Martin Cracauer wrote: > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > The only real issue is keeping Linux ELF binaries and Solaris Binaries > (with are always ELF) different. NetBSD has the same problem. Most > folks ended up compiling only one of Linux ELF *or* SVR4 into their > kernels. i have kernel code that distinguishes between Linux ELF binaries and Solaris x86 2.4 ELF binaries. the PT_INTERP is different for each type. at present solaris_prepsyscall blows the stack. anyone have access to Solaris x86 and can compile int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { ; }" and int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { getpid(); } jmb Aspen:[203] id uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 2(kmem), 3(sys), 4(tty), 5(operator), 20(staff), 31(guest) Aspen:[204] sysctl -w debug.elf_trace=1 debug.elf_trace: 0 -> 1 Aspen:[205] exit Aspen:[206] exit Aspen:[11] id uid=1000(jmb) gid=20(staff) groups=20(staff), 0(wheel), 117(dialer) Aspen:[12] pwd /home/jmb/Projects/ELF/linux.bin Aspen:[13] file ls ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 Aspen:[14] ./ls ELF PT_PHDR section <8000034> ELF PT_INTERP section ELF PT_LOAD section .text <08000000,00006000> entry=08000cf0 ELF PT_LOAD section .bss size 3144 (c48) .data <08006000,00001000> ELF PT_DYNAMIC section ?? interpreter= /compat/linux ELF(file) PT_LOAD section .text <10000000,00005000> entry=10000990 ELF(file) PT_LOAD section .bss size 1636 (664) .data <10005000,00001000> ELF(file) PT_DYNAMIC section Executing Linux binary ./ls: can't open cache '/etc/ld.so.cache' file ls movemail.orig vi ktrace.out movemail ping Aspen:[15] cd ../solaris.bin Aspen:[16] ./ls ELF PT_PHDR section <8048034> ELF PT_INTERP section ELF PT_LOAD section .text <08048000,00004000> entry=080498e0 ELF PT_LOAD section .bss size 4920 (1338) .data <0804c000,00002000> ELF PT_DYNAMIC section ?? interpreter= /compat/solaris ELF(file) PT_LOAD section .text <10000000,0000d000> entry=10003312 ELF(file) PT_LOAD section .bss size 3944 (f68) .data <1000d000,00002000> ELF(file) PT_DYNAMIC section ELF(file) PT_NOTE section Executing Solaris binary Bad system call (core dumped) From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 16:09:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA13848 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA13836 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA05588; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:09:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 16:01:59 PST From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation To: "Pedro Giffuni S." , cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <32A7693D.42F2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > Well, what's the application you want it for? > > > How about WABI for SolarisX86 (itīs available isnīt it)? but thereīs > also a Linux version now...would have to find out which is cheaper, but > Linuxīs version would, almost surely, always be better supported by > FreeBSD. WABI for Linux is $199 for one copy. You have to have your own copy of Windows v3.1. I don't know if it works with WinfW v3.11 yet, but I guess I will find out when I get it. -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 12/05/96 16:02:00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 16:55:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA16155 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA16141 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from haus.efn.org (haus.efn.org [198.68.17.3]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA02834 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (j_mini@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by haus.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22187; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (j_mini@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA04612; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: j_mini owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mini To: Michael Smith cc: vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vm86 help In-Reply-To: <199612050151.MAA19140@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > I can do this, I am just _extremely_ short on time.... I will see what > > time I can take to write v86 support for the FreeBSD kernel. I just can't > > make an promises on a timeframe... worst case says I won't have _any_ time > > to touch the source until April. Possibly July. =( > > ... then you should talk to Sean. (sef@freebsd.org). First challenge > is to find out why changing the size of the sigframe struct makes > the kernel unstable. I will... =) (somewhere in back of my mindm I hear a voice saying "What have you STARTED? ... I think it is sanity. I hope so, because I ignore him.) Jon Mini, j_mini@efn.org, mini@4j.lane.edu GAMMA Development Team -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...." little.blue.engine:Reality Protection Fault. (core dumped) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 17:04:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA16600 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from haus.efn.org (haus.efn.org [198.68.17.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA16595 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (j_mini@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by haus.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23999; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (j_mini@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA06036; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: j_mini owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mini To: "Pedro Giffuni S." cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: <32A7693D.42F2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id RAA16596 Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Pedro Giffuni S. wrote: > FreeBSD distinguishes between Linuxīs ELF and fbsdīs ELF (never have > seen one of those though) but I donīt know if thereīs an additional tag > in FBSDīs ELFīs for that purpose. I always run a.outīs (I use 2.1.5), is > there any particular advantage in using ELF? As far as I know, the only advantage behind ELFs is proper implementation of shared libs and other such resources. But FreeBSD's a.out's are more than capable of handling such beasties. That is one of the principle reasons why it has taken FreeBSD "so long" to implement elf. Linix is proud of thier ELFs, I have never understood why. I have heard that thier a.outs are not as robust, but I can't confirm it. Jon Mini, j_mini@efn.org, mini@4j.lane.edu GAMMA Development Team -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...." little.blue.engine:Reality Protection Fault. (core dumped) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 17:17:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA17105 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA17093 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.37]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA06464; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:17:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A79D8D.75BC@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:14:15 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Mini CC: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan Mini wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Pedro Giffuni S. wrote: > > > > FreeBSD distinguishes between Linuxīs ELF and fbsdīs ELF (never have > > seen one of those though) but I donīt know if thereīs an additional tag > > in FBSDīs ELFīs for that purpose. I always run a.outīs (I use 2.1.5), is > > there any particular advantage in using ELF? > > As far as I know, the only advantage behind ELFs is proper implementation > of shared libs and other such resources. But FreeBSD's a.out's are more > than capable of handling such beasties. That is one of the principle > reasons why it has taken FreeBSD "so long" to implement elf. > Linix is proud of thier ELFs, I have never understood why. I have heard > that thier a.outs are not as robust, but I can't confirm it. > The exact term someone on this list used was "sucks" :). Yes fbsd is very superior in this sense to Linux, what I wonder is if I should prefer elf binaries under Linuxīs emulation. It probably is the same thing. Pedro. > Jon Mini, j_mini@efn.org, mini@4j.lane.edu > GAMMA Development Team > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...." > little.blue.engine:Reality Protection Fault. (core dumped) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 19:07:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA22941 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from haus.efn.org (haus.efn.org [198.68.17.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA22904 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (root@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by haus.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26700; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (j_mini@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA05311; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: j_mini owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mini To: Sean Eric Fagan cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: <199612050351.TAA23637@kithrup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > I do not happen to be one of those, so the inexplicable panics that are > almost certainly due to stack manipulation problems can be... difficult ;). Well.... Currently my system is running 2.5.1-R. I will probably have to upgrade, but if not i'll just pull the source(for the kernel) off of my CD. If not, I have easy access to a daily-updated mirror of the cvs tree, so I'll pull it there. What files do I need to start creating "inexplicale panics" ? ;) Jon Mini, j_mini@efn.org, mini@4j.lane.edu GAMMA Development Team -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...." little.blue.engine:Reality Protection Fault. (core dumped) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Thu Dec 5 21:43:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA29534 for emulation-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA29526 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.47]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA06772; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A7A478.29D4@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:43:36 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean J. Schluntz" CC: emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of _windows_, dos and svr4 emulation References: <32A7693D.42F2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > > > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > > > Well, what's the application you want it for? > > > > > How about WABI for SolarisX86 (itīs available isnīt it)? but thereīs > > also a Linux version now...would have to find out which is cheaper, but > > Linuxīs version would, almost surely, always be better supported by > > FreeBSD. > > WABI for Linux is $199 for one copy. You have to have your own copy of > Windows v3.1. I don't know if it works with WinfW v3.11 yet, but I guess I > will find out when I get it. > Yes, I think it does, but there isnīt much advantage in doing so. SUN only grants it will run MS-office, the rest (Visual C++,etc) is in doubt. I would like to know if it can run win32s and winsock stuff... Iīve read reports under the WINE project that Excel and Word run and are even usable, but I have not tested it: WINE is still in alpha state and the list of good utilities grow _and_ shrink with each new version. IMHO WINE will be better than the actual WABI but it will take too much time to complete (specially if we limit ourselves to watch :(... ). Pedro. > -Sean > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sean J. Schluntz > Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 > PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 > 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 > San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ > > Local Time Sent: 12/05/96 16:02:00 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 00:17:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA05873 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA05807; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:16:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199612060816.AAA05807@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The only piece of SVR4/Solaris/x86 software I miss is the Java JDK freebsd.org:pub/FreeBSD/LOCAL_PORTS/jdk.freebsd.11-26.tar.gz From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 00:19:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA06105 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (ravenock.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA06075 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.7.3) id JAA01454; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:20:34 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612060820.JAA01454@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-Reply-To: <199612052350.PAA13071@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Dec 5, 96 03:50:05 pm" To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:20:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jonathan M. Bresler who wrote: > Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > The only real issue is keeping Linux ELF binaries and Solaris Binaries > > (with are always ELF) different. NetBSD has the same problem. Most > > folks ended up compiling only one of Linux ELF *or* SVR4 into their > > kernels. > > i have kernel code that distinguishes between Linux ELF binaries > and Solaris x86 2.4 ELF binaries. the PT_INTERP is different > for each type. Code for this is allready in the kernel > 2.1.x, there even is support for static ELF bins which can't be distinguished by the INTERP section (there is none) via the brandelf util. All one has to do is register the new type, and possibly install a new sysvec vector that points to emulated syscalls For an example look at the linux emu, it does it all.. I have a desire to emulate DGUX-i386 at some point, but no time horizon yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 11:47:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA07866 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA07860 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09066; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:47:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 96 11:11:31 PST From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: status of _windows_, dos and svr4 emulation To: "Pedro Giffuni S." Cc: emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <32A7A478.29D4@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --- On Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:43:36 -0800 "Pedro Giffuni S." wrote: > Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > > > > > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > Well, what's the application you want it for? > > > > > > > How about WABI for SolarisX86 (itīs available isnīt it)? but thereīs > > > also a Linux version now...would have to find out which is cheaper, but > > > Linuxīs version would, almost surely, always be better supported by > > > FreeBSD. > > > > WABI for Linux is $199 for one copy. You have to have your own copy of > > Windows v3.1. I don't know if it works with WinfW v3.11 yet, but I guess I > > will find out when I get it. > > > Yes, I think it does, but there isnīt much advantage in doing so. SUN > only grants it will run MS-office, the rest (Visual C++,etc) is in > doubt. I would like to know if it can run win32s and winsock stuff... That's not going to be a problem for me, I only need the emulation so that I can run the same office suite that the rest of the company uses. My development is done with the wonderful Un*x tools freely available. When out development team "requires" that I do things for our distributed product (not my job right now) and I have to program in vC++ I will put together a NT system or put another hard disk in my home box and use the SCSI controller to switch between which I want to boot on. > Iīve read reports under the WINE project that Excel and Word run and are > even usable, but I have not tested it: WINE is still in alpha state and > the list of good utilities grow _and_ shrink with each new version. IMHO > WINE will be better than the actual WABI but it will take too much time > to complete (specially if we limit ourselves to watch :(... ). I've been keeping my eyes on this one. What I am really waiting for is SunSofts' WABI95 which is already running Office95 in beta. The office 95 suite is what we use at work so that's what I want to be able to run. -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 12/06/96 11:11:31 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 13:02:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA10866 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA10839; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:01:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199612062101.NAA10839@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation To: sos@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:01:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, vitjok@fasts.com, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199612060820.JAA01454@ravenock.cybercity.dk> from "sos@freebsd.org" at Dec 6, 96 09:20:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk sos@freebsd.org wrote: > > In reply to Jonathan M. Bresler who wrote: > > Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > > > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > > > The only real issue is keeping Linux ELF binaries and Solaris Binaries > > > (with are always ELF) different. NetBSD has the same problem. Most > > > folks ended up compiling only one of Linux ELF *or* SVR4 into their > > > kernels. > > > > i have kernel code that distinguishes between Linux ELF binaries > > and Solaris x86 2.4 ELF binaries. the PT_INTERP is different > > for each type. > > Code for this is allready in the kernel > 2.1.x, there even is support > for static ELF bins which can't be distinguished by the INTERP > section (there is none) via the brandelf util. the code in the standard distribution executes Solaris 2.4 binaries? no. > All one has to do is register the new type, and possibly install > a new sysvec vector that points to emulated syscalls > For an example look at the linux emu, it does it all.. > no it does not do it all, but i am using it as a starting point. i wish you had answered teh mail that i sent to you with questions about linux emulation...too late now. no matter i have spent the time required and moved past those questions into a the next set of problems. > I have a desire to emulate DGUX-i386 at some point, but no time > horizon yet. cool! we will be able to tell everyone to ditch whatever they are running and use their apps under binary emulation with FreeBSD instead ;) jmb From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 16:07:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA19776 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA19770 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (loewis@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.20]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA14802; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:07:03 +0100 From: "Martin v.Loewis" Received: (from loewis@localhost) by cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA02982; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:06:52 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612070006.BAA02982@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro Giffuni S.) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:06:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <32A79D8D.75BC@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> from "Pedro Giffuni S." at Dec 5, 96 08:14:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > of shared libs and other such resources. But FreeBSD's a.out's are more > > than capable of handling such beasties. That is one of the principle > > reasons why it has taken FreeBSD "so long" to implement elf. > > Linix is proud of thier ELFs, I have never understood why. I have hea= > rd > > that thier a.outs are not as robust, but I can't confirm it. > >=20 > The exact term someone on this list used was "sucks" :). Yes fbsd is > very superior in this sense to Linux, what I wonder is if I should > prefer elf binaries under Linux=B4s emulation. It probably is the same > thing. Out of curiosity, can somebody explain (or point me to) what exactly makes the FreeBSD a.out superior to similar formats found on other systems? Specifically, I'd like to know the following things: - How does it deal with relocation in shared libraries? Does it require the shared libraries to be at a fixed address? If not, does it relocate the image? If so, is the sharing among different processes preserved? If not, how does it deal with global variables being at different places? - Does it support construction of global C++ objects in the library? (I.e. is there per-library startup code) - Does it support libdl? I.e. can new objects be loaded after program started? - How does it do versioning? Is there a concept of major and minor versions? If a program requests a version, what library versions would be offered? Is the location of the library stored in the image? How does it deal with interdependecies between shared images? I.e. suppose I have libfoo.1, libfoo.2 and libbar.1. libbar.1 depends on libfoo.1, and libfoo.1 and libfoo.2 are mutually incompatible. Can I build new programs so that they get linked with libfoo.2, unless I also need to link with libbar.1? If so, do I need to specify this requirement to the linker? Curious, Martin From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 19:37:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA27190 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA27185 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA19750; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:36:27 -0800 (PST) To: "Martin v.Loewis" cc: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro Giffuni S.), freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Dec 1996 01:06:48 +0100." <199612070006.BAA02982@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 19:36:26 -0800 Message-ID: <19746.849929786@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Out of curiosity, can somebody explain (or point me to) what exactly makes > the FreeBSD a.out superior to similar formats found on other systems? I don't think that anyone claimed them to be necessarily "superior", though it's my understanding that loading your typical ELF binary is a somewhat more expensive (in terms of overhead) exercise than the lighter a.out ones, so that would be a point in our favor. On the other hand, ELF is more friendly to things like C++ {cons,des}tructors and extended debugging information, so it all depends on what your emphasis is. In the future, we will probably offer folks the option to either build a.out or ELF executables under FreeBSD depending on whether they'd prefer activation speed or ELF's extra features. What people *have* said consistently is that there's no overriding reason for FreeBSD to go unilaterally to ELF since its shared library scheme never suffered from the problems the original Linux scheme one did (and which most Linux folks were strongly in favor of dumping), so the "transition shock" would be something we'd have no real justification for. > - How does it deal with relocation in shared libraries? Does it require > the shared libraries to be at a fixed address? If not, does it relocate > the image? If so, is the sharing among different processes preserved? I don't understand the scheme in as much detail as I'd like, but my understanding is that a global table of indirect references for each process is maintained, and on first reference to a shared symbol, the code in ld.so (which is mapped into the address space at activation time) will mmap() in the appropriate shared library, if it hasn't already been referenced and loaded, and back-patch the original reference so that a direct pointer to the variable or function can now be followed for it. Subsequent attempts to access the same variable/function will hit the already existing entry in the global lookup table and be resolved much more quickly. For a *real* understanding of how this works, please see /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/ > If not, how does it deal with global variables being at different places? Global variables are allocated and initialized at image activiation time, before much of anything else, and are thus handled a little differently from function references. I believe that every referenced shared library is traversed and global storage allocated for the sum of all global variables allocated by them and the executable. I could be wrong about this, but that's my essential understanding. :-) > - Does it support construction of global C++ objects in the library? > (I.e. is there per-library startup code) Yes, there's special runtime code linked into C++ programs (/usr/lib/c++rt0.o as opposed to /usr/lib/crt0.o) which handles this. > - Does it support libdl? I.e. can new objects be loaded after program started ? Yes, though the dl*() family of routines are actually stored in the ld.so, there's no special libdl library you need to link with. > - How does it do versioning? Is there a concept of major and minor versions? Yes, both major and minor versions are supported. > If a program requests a version, what library versions would be offered? The next older one, if the requested one is not found. A warning is also generated in this case, just like under SunOS. > Is the location of the library stored in the image? Yes, you can compile in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH (-R flag to ld) or you can simply use the global cache which is managed with ldconfig(1). It's the programmer's choice, depending on how much flexibility he'd like the user of his executable to have. > How does it deal with interdependecies between shared images? I.e. suppose > I have libfoo.1, libfoo.2 and libbar.1. libbar.1 depends on libfoo.1, and > libfoo.1 and libfoo.2 are mutually incompatible. Can I build new programs > so that they get linked with libfoo.2, unless I also need to link with > libbar.1? If so, do I need to specify this requirement to the linker? An interesting question - I've never tried this. Why not give it a shot and get back to me with the answer? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 21:22:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA03633 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA03592 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.48]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA08206; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:23:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A928C6.7849@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:20:28 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation References: <19746.849929786@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, can somebody explain (or point me to) what exactly makes > > the FreeBSD a.out superior to similar formats found on other systems? > > I don't think that anyone claimed them to be necessarily "superior", Just for the sake of clarity, I only said FBSDīs a.out are better than Linuxīs a.out, and thatīs one fo the reasons why fbsd doesnīt seem in a hurry to use ELF. Anyway, I think there is (or was) experimental ELF support somewhere in freefall. True? Pedro. > Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 21:38:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA07508 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA07487 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA20378; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:38:08 -0800 (PST) To: "Pedro Giffuni S." cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:20:28 PST." <32A928C6.7849@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 21:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: <20375.849937088@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, I think there is (or was) experimental ELF support somewhere in > freefall. True? Yes. John Polstra's "elfkit" will allow you to build FreeBSD/ELF binaries. Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 21:45:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA09740 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA09704 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.48]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA08233; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:46:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A92E1B.915@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:43:07 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation References: <20375.849937088@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Anyway, I think there is (or was) experimental ELF support somewhere in > > freefall. True? > > Yes. John Polstra's "elfkit" will allow you to build FreeBSD/ELF > binaries. > > Jordan BTW, some of this stuff should be included on the CD releases, I remember Seanīs VM support ran sometime when he kept it as diffs from 2.1.5. Novell beta routing would also come in handy. Surely FreeBSDīs development shouldnīt be left only to privileged 24 hr. cybernauts. Pedro. From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 23:10:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA14904 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA14898 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.48]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id CAA08386; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 02:11:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A941E6.1C45@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 02:07:45 -0800 From: "Pedro Giffuni S." Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean J. Schluntz" CC: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation References: <32A7693D.42F2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > > > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > > > Well, what's the application you want it for? > > > > > How about WABI for SolarisX86 (itīs available isnīt it)? but thereīs > > also a Linux version now...would have to find out which is cheaper, but > > Linuxīs version would, almost surely, always be better supported by > > FreeBSD. > > WABI for Linux is $199 for one copy. You have to have your own copy of > Windows v3.1. I don't know if it works with WinfW v3.11 yet, but I guess I > will find out when I get it. > I couldnīt get the price of the SUN version, but if it runs, SVR4 emulation may be worth having: WABI 2.2 supports OLE/DDE, ODBC, and many more applications. Perhaps someone with NetBSD, or OpenBSD, can give a try to the demo version available at: http://www.sun.com/solaris/products/wabi/support/distribute/wabi22demo.html Pedro. > -Sean > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sean J. Schluntz > Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 > PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 > 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 > San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ > > Local Time Sent: 12/05/96 16:02:00 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-emulation Fri Dec 6 23:31:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA15248 for emulation-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA15243 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA20619; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:31:04 -0800 (PST) To: "Pedro Giffuni S." cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:43:07 PST." <32A92E1B.915@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 23:31:03 -0800 Message-ID: <20615.849943863@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-emulation@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > BTW, some of this stuff should be included on the CD releases, I > remember Seanīs VM support ran sometime when he kept it as diffs from > 2.1.5. Novell beta routing would also come in handy. Surely FreeBSDīs > development shouldnīt be left only to privileged 24 hr. cybernauts. I include what people ask that I include, and if I spent all my time trying to track down all the latest and greatest experimental bits every time I did a CD release, I wouldn't have time for anything else. :-( I solicit entries for the commercial and experimental distributions every time I do a CD, and if the authors don't explicitly bring something to my attention and tell me where to FTP it from, it doesn't go on. That's just the way it works, and I haven't the resources to do it any other way. Jordan From owner-freebsd-emulation Sat Dec 7 19:27:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA23180 for emulation-outgoing; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA23175 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA14606; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:26:50 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 19:19:06 PST From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: status of windows, dos and svr4 emulation To: "Pedro Giffuni S." , "Sean J. Schluntz" Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <32A941E6.1C45@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-emulation@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > >When netbsd's svr4 emulation will be ported to FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > Well, what's the application you want it for? > > > > > > > How about WABI for SolarisX86 (itīs available isnīt it)? but thereīs > > > also a Linux version now...would have to find out which is cheaper, but > > > Linuxīs version would, almost surely, always be better supported by > > > FreeBSD. > > > > WABI for Linux is $199 for one copy. You have to have your own copy of > > Windows v3.1. I don't know if it works with WinfW v3.11 yet, but I guess I > > will find out when I get it. > > > I couldnīt get the price of the SUN version, but if it runs, SVR4 > emulation may be worth having: WABI 2.2 supports OLE/DDE, ODBC, and many > more applications. > Perhaps someone with NetBSD, or OpenBSD, can give a try to the demo > version available at: > http://www.sun.com/solaris/products/wabi/support/distribute/wabi22demo.html I think I would rather run the Linux version, I hear it's faster because they didn't need to compile in a lot of Solaris garbage. It's supposed to be cleaner and faster under Linux. -Sean (then again all I know is PR.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 12/07/96 19:19:07 ----------------------------------------------------------------------