From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 1 23:53:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA17119 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17111 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA16398 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Wirikidor (as2511-5.sl020.cns.vt.edu [128.173.32.159]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03416 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:40:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:40:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199609020340.XAA03416@sable.cc.vt.edu> X-Sender: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: "Brian D. McGlothlin" Subject: DAT for sure! Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First of all, let me thank all of those that sent comments/suggestions to the DAT or removable post. Now let me run this by you folks. An adaptec 1522 card (availability and win95 compatability) and an HP C1534 2.0 GB 4mm DAT drive. If you'll pardon the deviation from FreeBSD-Hardware subject matter I have a couple of questions about the SCSI card and software. Dirt Cheap Drives seems to have decent prices for both of the above items: $589 for the drive and $139 for the kit ($79 just the card). Does it matter that much that this is a 16-bit card? Should I purchase the "kit" to get adaptec's drivers and whatever other goodies/junk may come with it? I also am wondering what software I will use to backup my win95 drive (default win95 backup program[no experience with it but I expect it to be a joke] or some 3rd party software such as NovaStore's Novaworks)??? Again, all input is greatly appreciated! Brian D. McGlothlin bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 05:48:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA09475 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 05:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA09469 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id CAA28060; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:48:09 -1000 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:48:09 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199609021248.CAA28060@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Brian D. McGlothlin" "DAT for sure!" (Sep 1, 11:40pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Brian D. McGlothlin" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } } Dirt Cheap Drives seems to have decent prices for both of the above items: } $589 for the drive and $139 for the kit ($79 just the card). [...] You can get a 2Gig 8mm Exabyte drive for $299. They're faster and use less expensive tapes than DATs. And they work great with FreeBSD. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 07:51:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16683 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (root@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16669; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (petzi@localhost) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA15155; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:50:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Beckmann To: isp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Cyclades 8 Port ISA problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have installed a Cyclades multiport card and compiled a new Kernel with the cy driver. Then I followed the instructions in the FreeBSD Handbook on the web pages, and made the device special files. Then I entered these devices in /etc/ttys . But after the reboot, I'm always getting messages about ttyc4 to 7 not being configured. Any ideas what went wrong ? The boot messages say that the card is being recognized. Unfortunately I don't have the card documentation handy. Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc4: Device not configured Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc5: Device not configured Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc7: Device not configured Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc6: Device not configured Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 07:57:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA17294 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17284 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA20616; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:27:30 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609021457.AAA20616@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DAT for sure! To: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu (Brian D. McGlothlin) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:27:29 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199609020340.XAA03416@sable.cc.vt.edu> from "Brian D. McGlothlin" at Sep 1, 96 11:40:40 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian D. McGlothlin stands accused of saying: > > First of all, let me thank all of those that sent comments/suggestions to > the DAT or removable post. Now let me run this by you folks. > > An adaptec 1522 card (availability and win95 compatability) > and an HP C1534 2.0 GB 4mm DAT drive. Do _NOT_ buy a 1522. They're junk. If you have a PCI system of reasonably recent vintage with NCR SCSI support in the BIOS, get an NCR-810-based SCSI card. Being at VT, there's probably someone there on the faculty who can point you at a local supplier, or failing that somone here who can point you at same. If you have a PCI system but no NCR support (pretty rare, but possible), then get an NCR-based card with an onboard BIOS. If you don't have PCI, then get an Adaptec 1540-series controller. A 1540CP is probably your best bet. The issue here is that the 1522 is based on a really cheezy SCSI chip that requires lots of CPU attention, and thus delivers really poor performance. Both the 1540 and the NCR-based controllers (the NCR will be cheaper, incidentally) do busmaster DMA, and reap all the rewards of real SCSI controllers. > Brian D. McGlothlin -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 08:10:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA17976 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17971 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA20688; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:39:59 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609021509.AAA20688@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DAT for sure! To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:39:58 +0930 (CST) Cc: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199609021248.CAA28060@pegasus.com> from "Richard Foulk" at Sep 2, 96 02:48:09 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Foulk stands accused of saying: > > } > } Dirt Cheap Drives seems to have decent prices for both of the above items: > } $589 for the drive and $139 for the kit ($79 just the card). [...] > > You can get a 2Gig 8mm Exabyte drive for $299. They're faster and use > less expensive tapes than DATs. And they work great with FreeBSD. You're kidding, right? You can get an EXB8x00 for $299? A 2G DDS-2 tape here is about $13, as opposed to about $25 for a 112M generic-brand 8mm data cart. I hope you're not recommending a refurbed or late-rev EXB8200 - they're lethally bad. > Richard -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 09:38:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA26950 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (mvs.oac.ucla.edu [164.67.200.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26940 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609021638.JAA26940@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from UCLAMVS.BITNET by MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (IBM MVS SMTP V2R2.1) with BSMTP id 9303; Mon, 02 Sep 96 09:38:37 PST Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 09:38 PDT To: freebsd-hardware@FREEBSD.ORG From: Denis DeLaRoca (310) 825-4580 Subject: Re: Re: DAT for sure! Sender: owner-hardware@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > You can get a 2Gig 8mm Exabyte drive for $299. They're faster and use > > less expensive tapes than DATs. And they work great with FreeBSD. Where can these drives be gotten? -- Denis From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 12:02:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07133 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07096; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA31969; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 05:01:00 +1000 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 05:01:00 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199609021901.FAA31969@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hardware@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de Subject: Re: Cyclades 8 Port ISA problems Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have installed a Cyclades multiport card and compiled a new Kernel with >the cy driver. Then I followed the instructions in the FreeBSD Handbook on >the web pages, and made the device special files. Then I entered these >... >Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc4: Device not configured >Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc5: Device not configured >Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc7: Device not configured >Sep 2 18:33:55 dalx7 getty: /dev/ttyc6: Device not configured It looks like the second cd1400 which controls the second group of 4 ports is broken or nonstandard. The driver probe checks up 4 cd1400's per full cy device and gives up with no warnings when one seems to be not there. Then only the previous ones found are configured. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 12:30:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08328 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (root@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08284; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (petzi@localhost) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA23004; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:28:47 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:28:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Beckmann To: Bruce Evans cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyclades 8 Port ISA problems In-Reply-To: <199609021901.FAA31969@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It looks like the second cd1400 which controls the second group > of 4 ports is broken or nonstandard. The driver probe checks up > 4 cd1400's per full cy device and gives up with no warnings when > one seems to be not there. Then only the previous ones found > are configured. I found out that it is probably configured for a wrong IRQ. The card is set to IRQ 5 , if I correctly interpret the switches (I don't know which I/O address, however, because I don't have the docs). However, the driver which was configured for IRQ 10 found the card there. This is weird. I had been quite sure that the card was configured for IRQ 10, so I didn't recheck. I will try it again tomorrow with different driver settings. Will report again then ;-) Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 13:00:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09572 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mail.IDT.NET (mail.idt.net [198.4.75.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09563 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia (ppp-1.ts-2.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.73]) by Mail.IDT.NET (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14799; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <322B3CBB.300F@mail.idt.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 15:59:55 -0400 From: Gary Corcoran Reply-To: garycorc@mail.idt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: Richard Foulk , bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! References: <199609021509.AAA20688@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > > Richard Foulk stands accused of saying: > > > > } > > } Dirt Cheap Drives seems to have decent prices for both of the above items: > > } $589 for the drive and $139 for the kit ($79 just the card). [...] > > > > You can get a 2Gig 8mm Exabyte drive for $299. They're faster and use > > less expensive tapes than DATs. And they work great with FreeBSD. > > You're kidding, right? You can get an EXB8x00 for $299? A 2G DDS-2 > tape here is about $13, as opposed to about $25 for a 112M > generic-brand 8mm data cart. > > I hope you're not recommending a refurbed or late-rev EXB8200 - they're > lethally bad. > The September issue of Computer Shopper's Dirt Cheap Drives ad shows the _cheapest_ new Exabyte (EXB8700LT) is $1129, and the EXB8205 is $1259. And D-C Drives generally has about the lowest prices here in the U.S., so you won't be able to find new drives much (if any) lower in price. As for tape prices, Lyben (computer supplies), http://www.lyben.com has the very good (IMO) Maxell 2G DATs for around $7 (US$), and they sometimes have a Maxell sale (once a year?) where they sell them for around $6. So tape media costs should not be an issue... HP makes good DAT drives (in my experience), and with the *new* Exabyte drives costing so much more, IMO it's a no-brainer if you're on a budget... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 13:21:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10414 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10399; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA21812; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:17:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199609022017.QAA21812@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: anyone have a memory test? To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the repost -- if you've seen this twice... I bounced my last due to an aliases screw up -- Bill I've been fighting memory problems ever since I pulled out my motherboard and installed a new one. Unfortunately, the new one didn't work -- so I put back the old one. (The simms never came off it when it was pulled -- so I expected no problem... however, it's now sig-11, sig6 city. Dos based memory tests show nothing (I've got 20 meg... my best diag doesn't test past 16). FreeBSD boots, runs, and sig-11's occasionally during make world and heavy X stuff. I went from 20 meg to 8mb of 1mb simms -- same problem. I went to 16mb of 4mb simms -- same problem. I reseated and enabled and disabled the cache... same problem. I swapped in a DX2/66 to try to see if the problem would show up or go away with a CPU reseat/replacement. No luck. I'm waiting for the new motherboard -- and I have new 72 pin simms for it. (It's en route from the company as a swap with the bad one.) Anyone have a memory test recommendation that works short of a hardware memory test. I remember FreeBSD 1.5 pulled out errors on my wife's box that were causing crashes under OS/2 and SIG11's under Linux. I sure miss minicomputers with real memory controllers with memory address registers that latch parity errors and report the address. I sure miss BSD on a Vax that reported the ECC location and correction bits... Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win95 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 13:48:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12281 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12276 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA06824; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:47:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199609022047.OAA06824@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: garycorc@mail.idt.net cc: Michael Smith , Richard Foulk , bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Sep 1996 15:59:55 EDT." <322B3CBB.300F@mail.idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:47:34 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > And D-C Drives generally has about the lowest prices here in >the U.S > ... >HP makes good DAT drives (in my experience), and with the *new* Exabyte I bought a HP1533A when it first came out. the early version had compatibility problems with some DDS-I drives. I came to find out that HP provides NO Warrantee on OEM versions of their tape drives. The supplier only provied manufacture's warrantees. HP15xx is an OEM product line. so I effectiyely had no warrentee to get the problem fixed. Something to be aware of. I would get your supplier to provide some sort of warrantee in WRITING b4 buying one of these. That said, I LOVE this drive. other than not being able to read some wangtek DDS-I tapes, it works great. fast, reliable, quiet, CHEAP media. Hopefully the DDS-I problem is fixed in the HP1534... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 14:49:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14483 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14478 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30 † id OAA15503; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28480; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609022149.OAA28480@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu (Brian D. McGlothlin), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 03 Sep 96 00:27:29 +0930. <199609021457.AAA20616@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:49:19 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- MindBender.serv.net" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> An adaptec 1522 card (availability and win95 compatability) >> and an HP C1534 2.0 GB 4mm DAT drive. >Do _NOT_ buy a 1522. They're junk. If you have a PCI system of reasonably >recent vintage with NCR SCSI support in the BIOS, get an NCR-810-based [...] >If you don't have PCI, then get an Adaptec 1540-series controller. A >1540CP is probably your best bet. Do _NOT_ buy a 154x unless you have exhausted all other bus types. If you have an EISA bus, get an Adaptec 2742, or a BusLogic BT747. If you have a VLB bus, get a BusLogic BT445 (or something that Adaptec makes). You should _never_ settle for a 154x unless you have exhaused all superior busses (or you already have one, it's free, and/or you don't care if you have really slow SCSI performance). Of course, if you have PCI, go that route first, with either an NCR 53c8xx card, like he describes, an Adaptec 2940 (or 2940UW), or a BusLogic BT946 (or 956 [wide] or 948 [ultra] or 958 [ultra wide]). >The issue here is that the 1522 is >based on a really cheezy SCSI chip that requires lots of CPU >attention, and thus delivers really poor performance. Both the 1540 >and the NCR-based controllers (the NCR will be cheaper, incidentally) >do busmaster DMA, and reap all the rewards of real SCSI controllers. And, even though the 1542 is fully bus-mastering, and is quite a bit better performing than a 1522, it is still a sluggish non-performer compared to better busses. The issue here is that the 154x runs in an ISA bus. Remember, the ISA bus maxes out at 8MB/s, and that is discounting all contention. In the real world, you'll be lucky to get 4-5MB/s. There are modern drives that can do that in a single drive. Coupled with the fact that if you have more than 16MB of RAM, the OS has to "bounce-buffer" data above 16MB (basically copy it back and forth) to make it work on an ISA bus-mastering controller, further degrading performance. Yes, it's better than a 1522, but it's still close to the bottom of the ladder. You will get vastly better performance with an EISA or VLB (though VLB is kinda hit-and-miss) controller than you will with an ISA controller. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 15:40:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17038 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17029 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id MAA01420; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:39:24 -1000 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:39:24 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199609022239.MAA01420@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Michael Smith "Re: DAT for sure!" (Sep 3, 12:39am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Michael Smith Subject: Re: DAT for sure! Cc: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > } Dirt Cheap Drives seems to have decent prices for both of the above items: } > } $589 for the drive and $139 for the kit ($79 just the card). [...] } > } > You can get a 2Gig 8mm Exabyte drive for $299. They're faster and use } > less expensive tapes than DATs. And they work great with FreeBSD. } } You're kidding, right? You can get an EXB8x00 for $299? A 2G DDS-2 } tape here is about $13, as opposed to about $25 for a 112M } generic-brand 8mm data cart. } } I hope you're not recommending a refurbed or late-rev EXB8200 - they're } lethally bad. } No, honest, I'm not kidding (and I'm still alive!). I've used quite a few of these drives and I know others that have had good results with them too. Here's what my 2.1.5-STABLE system says: (aha0:2:0): "EXABYTE EXB-8200 252X" type 1 removable SCSI 1 No glitches, no messing around, it just works. I buy four-packs of Sony P6-120MPC Standard Grade video tapes for $14 at Costco. These are the tapes originally speced for these drives. If I need a tape in a hurry I can buy one at the corner drug store. Try finding a DAT tape locally in a pinch. Mine was refurbed. There are still some new ones available for a little more. The refurbed ones come with new heads and look completely new. My drive even reads tapes written on different drives more than 10 years ago, no problem. There were some problems with some Exabytes in the past, but that was a *long* time ago. And even back then they mostly worked. Many of the problems in the past were due to shakey device drivers -- but that's because Exabytes go way back. For reliable, high-capacity backup on a budget this is the only way to go -- my opinion. (I have no connection with any of these vendors or manufacturers, I'm just a very satisfied customer.) (I understand I'm not long for this world, so I'm off to live life to the fullest ... thanks for the warning!) Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 2 22:04:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA03151 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kdcol.kdcol.com (root@kdcol.kdcol.com [206.29.222.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03145 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s09.cs00.Io.kdcol.net (s09.cs00.Io.kdcol.net [206.29.222.42]) by kdcol.kdcol.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA01093 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 23:05:33 -0600 Received: by s09.cs00.Io.kdcol.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9923.0300A6A0@s09.cs00.Io.kdcol.net>; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 23:03:53 -0600 Message-ID: <01BB9923.0300A6A0@s09.cs00.Io.kdcol.net> From: Justin Nicolaides To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org" Subject: RE: DAT for sure! Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:22:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any opinions on the 4G Travan drives? CS has the HP T4000s advertised for around $370. -- Justin ---------- From: Gary Corcoran[SMTP:garycorc@mail.idt.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 1996 1:59 PM To: Michael Smith Cc: Richard Foulk; bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! HP makes good DAT drives (in my experience), and with the *new* Exabyte drives costing so much more, IMO it's a no-brainer if you're on a budget... From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 01:12:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12875 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.bemarnet.es ([194.179.67.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA12870 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 01:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ariadna.bemarnet.es (ariadna.bemarnet.es [194.179.67.2]) by www.bemarnet.es (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14533 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960903081440.00703b9c@host.bemarnet.es> X-Sender: antonio@host.bemarnet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 10:14:40 +0200 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Antonio Navarro Navarro Subject: Backing up a FreeBSD system Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello ! I am the hostmaster of BemarNet Management (Internet Service Providers in Europe). I am in the process of buying a tape backup unit for my system. The system configuration follows :=20 - 1 Pentium machine with FreeBSD 2.0 and 4 Gb. SCSI Hard Drive. - 1 Pentium machine with FreeBSD 2.0 and 2 Gb. IDE Hard Drive. - 2 NT Servers with 4 Gb. SCSI Hard Disk.=20 - 10 Windows '95 machines with 1 Gb. IDE Hard Disk. All the computers are conected to a LAN using NE-2000 network cards with NetBIOS and TCP/IP, and this LAN is connected to a CISCO 2501 Router with a T1 to the Internet. I have installed samba in both the FreeBSD machines. The information I need to backup follows : - The whole disks of the two FreeBSD machines (About 6 Gb.) - The shared directories of the two NT Servers (About 2 Gb.) I have SCSI interfaces in one of the FreeBSD machines and in the NT Servers. I am looking for a reliable and fast solution for perfoming this backups. I think the best solution is an external SCSI DAT Drive 4-8 Gb., connected to the NT Servers for doing the backups of the NT machines, and connected to the SCSI FreeBSD machine for doing the backups from both freebsd machines. I have the following questions : - =BF Do you know about a reliable DAT SCSI Unit fully compatible with FreeBSD and NT ?=20 - =BF Can I do a backup in this unit from one FreeBSD machine to the other= ?=20 - =BF Can I do backups of the NT Servers using the FreeBSD machine ?=20 - =BF Can I do backups of the FreeBSD machines using the NT Servers ? =20 Thanks in advance, +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Antonio Navarro Navarro E-mail: webmaster@bemarnet.es | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | BemarNet Management Phone : +34-6-165.66.44 | | Makes business easier... ,,, Fax : +34-6-165.65.14 | | http://www.bemarnet.es (o o) | +------------------------------o00-(_)-00o------------------------------+ | Have a nice day - Have a nice day - Have a nice day - Have a nice day | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 06:09:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27711 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27700 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09222; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:38:40 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:38:40 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199609031308.WAA09222@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: webmaster@bemarnet.es, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing up a FreeBSD system X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <2.2.32.19960903081440.00703b9c@host.bemarnet.es> you wrote: : Hello ! Gday! : - =BF Can I do a backup in this unit from one FreeBSD machine to the other Yup. : - =BF Can I do backups of the NT Servers using the FreeBSD machine ? Yup. I believe the "smbtar" contributed program to samba should be able to handle this. : - =BF Can I do backups of the FreeBSD machines using the NT Servers ? Unknown. FWIW we do remote offsite backups here using rsync and ssh over a 28.8k modem link once a week :) Basically we just sync a remote copy of the root partition and anything under /usr/local which is all we need to recover from a crash. The backup device is a 230mb Fujitsu MO drive, but then the amount of stuff in / and /usr/local is only pretty small. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 15:05:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28914 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28901 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA02026 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:05:32 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.4] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0uy3b7-0003xQC; Tue, 3 Sep 96 15:05 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Cc: Michael Smith , bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! References: <199609022239.MAA01420@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Sep 1996 12:39:24 -1000." <199609022239.MAA01420@pegasus.com> Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 15:05:29 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) wrote: > No, honest, I'm not kidding (and I'm still alive!). I've used quite a > few of these drives and I know others that have had good results with > them too. Here's what my 2.1.5-STABLE system says: > > (aha0:2:0): "EXABYTE EXB-8200 252X" type 1 removable SCSI 1 ...and mine registers as "EXABYTE EXB-8200 265T" and (if I remember correctly) has a manufacture date in late 1994. > No glitches, no messing around, it just works. Yup...me too. > There were some problems with some Exabytes in the past, but that was a > *long* time ago. And even back then they mostly worked. Many of the > problems in the past were due to shakey device drivers -- but that's > because Exabytes go way back. I've heard those sorts of stories too, but I think they were about drives from 1991 or thereabouts. When I mentioned to someone that I was considering buying one, I got the definite recommendation to avoid the old ones. Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 15:35:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00487 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00482 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uy49I-000x5DC; Tue, 3 Sep 96 15:40 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA841777029; Tue, 03 Sep 96 11:02:04 PST Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 11:02:04 PST Message-Id: <9608038417.AA841777029@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Peter Childs , webmaster@bemarnet.es, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Backing up a FreeBSD system Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter: Could you elaborate on your technique of using rsync and ssh to perform backups? Do you have sample scripts we might use to try this method? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 20:10:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17542 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (root@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17513 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20526; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:37:56 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199609040307.MAA20526@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Subject: Re: Backing up a FreeBSD system In-Reply-To: <9608038417.AA841777029@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com" at "Sep 3, 96 11:02:04 am" To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:37:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Peter: Gday! > Could you elaborate on your technique of using rsync and ssh to perform > backups? Do you have sample scripts we might use to try this method? You need ssh installed on both computers, and rsync. You'll need to enable the key based or host based authentication from one machine to the other as "root".. Then i just use a shell script with something like... mount /dev/od0a /od cd /od rsync -rptDogHxv --delete -e ssh chuckie:// /od/chuckie 2>&1 | mail -s "chuckie remote backup pt1" sa-tech@sa rsync -rptDogHxv --delete --exclude 'history*' -e ssh chuckie://usr/local/ /od/ chuckie_local 2>&1 | mail -s "chuckie remote backup pt2" sa-tech@sa umount /dev/od0a Which backs up our news server, leaving out the history file of course :) (and the news spool etc) The documentation for rsync is pretty good, and ssh is a beautiful piece of code :) Regards, Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 20:23:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18008 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netrd.iii.org.tw (netrd.iii.org.tw [140.92.61.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA17988; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lky.iii.org.tw by netrd.iii.org.tw (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA26022; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:22:29 +0800 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:22:29 +0800 Message-Id: <199609040322.LAA26022@netrd.iii.org.tw> X-Sender: lky@netrd.iii.org.tw X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Kun-Yu Li Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-hardware subscribe freebsd-questions From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 21:13:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA19924 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netrd.iii.org.tw (netrd.iii.org.tw [140.92.61.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19897; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lky.iii.org.tw by netrd.iii.org.tw (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA26545; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:12:47 +0800 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:12:47 +0800 Message-Id: <199609040412.MAA26545@netrd.iii.org.tw> X-Sender: lky@netrd.iii.org.tw X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Kun-Yu Li Subject: Help: AHA274x can't match Quantumn Fireball HD !!! Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please help me: My SCSI card is AHA 2740, HD is Quantumn Fireball 1.2 GB, FreeBSD boot.flp is 2.1.0 or 2.1.5. But it can't get the HD at booting, The message is as followed: ahc1: 274x Twin Channel...irq 11, eisa slot 1 (ahc1:2:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 Invalid field in CDB Does anybody has any ideas/advices to solve this problem? Please tell me. Your assistance will be greatly appreciated. lky@iii.org.tw From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 21:52:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA21854 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21845; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609040452.VAA21845@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Kun-Yu Li cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help: AHA274x can't match Quantumn Fireball HD !!! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:12:47 +0800." <199609040412.MAA26545@netrd.iii.org.tw> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:52:38 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Please help me: > My SCSI card is AHA 2740, > HD is Quantumn Fireball 1.2 GB, > FreeBSD boot.flp is 2.1.0 or 2.1.5. > But it can't get the HD at booting, > The message is as followed: > > ahc1: 274x Twin Channel...irq 11, eisa slot 1 > (ahc1:2:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 Invalid field in CDB > > Does anybody has any ideas/advices to solve this problem? > Please tell me. > Your assistance will be greatly appreciated. > lky@iii.org.tw Hmm. I haven't seen that one before. Use the 2.1.5R boot floppy. It has a better version of the driver. It may be that the card is getting messed up by the uha0 device probe. Try disabling it via UserConfig (boot with the '-c' option). -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 3 22:21:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23178 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23170 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03474; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:50:07 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609040520.OAA03474@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DAT for sure! To: scott@statsci.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:50:06 +0930 (CST) Cc: richard@pegasus.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Scott Blachowicz" at Sep 3, 96 03:05:29 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz stands accused of saying: > > > There were some problems with some Exabytes in the past, but that was a > > *long* time ago. And even back then they mostly worked. Many of the > > problems in the past were due to shakey device drivers -- but that's > > because Exabytes go way back. > > I've heard those sorts of stories too, but I think they were about > drives from 1991 or thereabouts. When I mentioned to someone that I > was considering buying one, I got the definite recommendation to > avoid the old ones. Hmm. I don't want to think how many EXB-8200's I've had my head inside or that people I work with have worked on over the last ~5-6 years. Lovingly cared for, under ideal conditions, they work well and are generally quite reliable. However add any _one_ of : - dust - heat - humidity - vibration - operator abuse - non-data tapes (ie. 8mm 'video 8' tapes) and you're on a fast track to refurb heaven. None of the basic mechanical problems with the mechanism (the victim of all the above problems) were ever addressed in the life of the product to any appreciable degree. The control/servo assembly is actually pretty robust, but full of obscure logic parts (anyone want to comment on where you'd go to buy a surface-mount 8T20D? 8), so repairs are generally a board-swap proposition. Having a few dead ones around can improve your chances of a good swap 8) You can get by with the 8mm video tapes if you clean your heads more often, but that loses because cleaning is abrasive. The problem with video tapes is apparently a combination of the debris size (large) and the crap binder that is used on these tapes. We buy them regularly at auctions in the $40-$100 range, and for that sort of price you're getting an OK deal. I would _not_, however, recommend one for a domestic environment, or as a major investment. > Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 4 03:06:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA04782 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04777 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id AAA28215; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:05:51 -1001 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:05:51 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199609041006.AAA28215@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Michael Smith "Re: DAT for sure!" (Sep 4, 2:50pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT for sure! Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } You can get by with the 8mm video tapes if you clean your heads more } often, but that loses because cleaning is abrasive. The problem with } video tapes is apparently a combination of the debris size (large) and } the crap binder that is used on these tapes. It's probably best to stick to name-brand tapes. I use Sonys since they're still very inexpensive. Sony tapes are fairly comparable to the `data quality' tapes and were actually what Exabyte originally spec'd for their drives. The great thing is that the tapes are so cheap that you can use them like floppies. Stashing just a few megs on a tape for convenience isn't wasteful at these prices. If you didn't need to buy tapes the Exabyte wouldn't be nearly as great a bargain. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 4 12:53:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29107 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tbd.gfoster.com (dyna237.intr.net [204.157.123.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29096 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by tbd.gfoster.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA23137; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199609041951.PAA23137@tbd.gfoster.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: NCR 53C8xx board update Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Folks, I didn't get much of a response to my request for information on SCSI host adaptors based on the NCR 53C8xx chips, I'm sure there are many options other than the ones I listed below. I did do a small amount of web surfing and learned a little bit but was not successful in finding any "mother lode" of information. Thanks a bunch to those who responded. I did learn that the chips are manufactured by Symbios Logic (SL) under contract to NCR. The SL WWW pages have a fair amount of high-quality information, specifications not just marketing info. AMD also has a line of chips that it manufactures that they claim are compatible. The SL chip varieties are as follows: 53c810 - FAST SCSI-2, no BIOS 53c815 - FAST SCSI-2, BIOS 53c820 - FAST WIDE SCSI-2, no BIOS 53c825 - FAST WIDE SCSI-2, BIOS 53C860 - Fast-20 version of 810 53C875 - Fast-20 version of 815 SL claims that the 860 and 875 are backwards compatible to the 810 and 815. This may or may not translate to being usable with FreeBSD, caveat emptor. Here are the host adaptors I was able to find. I suspect there are many more. If anybody knows of additional adaptors or can fill in the blanks below, I'd appreciate hearing about it by e-mail. Manuf.,model,chip,termination,BIOS,Comment --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acculogic,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,(800)854-7600 Asus,SC-200,53C810,active,no,URL: http://www.asus.com.tw/FTP/ASUS/Info/Spec/pci-sc200.txt DTC,DTC3130B,53C815,active,yes,URL: http://www.datatechnology.com/ Gigabyte,GA-410,unknown,passive(?),no,NCR 810 PCI SCSI by another name Nexstor/TMC,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,(408)262-1056 SYMBIOS LOGIC,various,various,passive,both,URL: http://www.symbios.com/products/datashts/matrix.htm Tekram,DC-390,Am53C974A,unknown,yes,URL: http://www.tekram.com/dc390.html Tyan,S1365 Yorktown,53c825,unknown,yes,URL: http://www.best.com/~jchen/ts1365.htm Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 5 13:31:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16455 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16441 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-1.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA02265 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:31:15 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA01746; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:31:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:31:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609052031.WAA01746@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> From: Stefan Esser To: Glen Foster Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR 53C8xx board update In-Reply-To: <199609041951.PAA23137@tbd.gfoster.com> References: <199609041951.PAA23137@tbd.gfoster.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Glen Foster writes: > Folks, > > I didn't get much of a response to my request for information on SCSI > host adaptors based on the NCR 53C8xx chips, I'm sure there are many > options other than the ones I listed below. I did do a small amount > of web surfing and learned a little bit but was not successful in > finding any "mother lode" of information. Thanks a bunch to those who > responded. Hmm, I must have missed your request for information ... > I did learn that the chips are manufactured by Symbios Logic (SL) > under contract to NCR. The SL WWW pages have a fair amount of No, Hyunday bought the microcomponents division from NCR and made it a US based subsidary under the name of Symbios. > high-quality information, specifications not just marketing info. AMD No! The AMD chips are compatible to some old NCR chips, but not the 53c8xx series! > also has a line of chips that it manufactures that they claim are > compatible. The SL chip varieties are as follows: > 53c810 - FAST SCSI-2, no BIOS > 53c815 - FAST SCSI-2, BIOS > 53c820 - FAST WIDE SCSI-2, no BIOS > 53c825 - FAST WIDE SCSI-2, BIOS > 53C860 - Fast-20 version of 810 > 53C875 - Fast-20 version of 815 There also is the 53c810A (an enhanced version of the 810, something like the 860 with only 10MHz data rate) and the 825A, which is a 10MHz variant of the 53c875. The 53c825A and the 53c875 have a 4KB SRAM integrated into the controller chip. They can for that reason execute their SCRIPTS "microcode" from that RAM, and do not need to fetch it from system DRAM as the other variants have to. All but the original 53c810 have a burst instruction read feature, which reduces the number of memory accesses by a factor of two to four. (The current FreeBSD driver does not support those features. I'm working on the integration of support for those and a few more features, but will need some more time for the implementation and testing.) > SL claims that the 860 and 875 are backwards compatible to the 810 and > 815. This may or may not translate to being usable with FreeBSD, > caveat emptor. Sure, all of them work under FreeBSD-current, and I can supply you with a patch to make the 860 and 875 work under -stable, too. (I already posted it to the freebsd-stable mailing list.) > Here are the host adaptors I was able to find. I suspect there are > many more. If anybody knows of additional adaptors or can fill in the > blanks below, I'd appreciate hearing about it by e-mail. > > Manuf.,model,chip,termination,BIOS,Comment > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Acculogic,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,(800)854-7600 > Asus,SC-200,53C810,active,no,URL: http://www.asus.com.tw/FTP/ASUS/Info/Spec/pci-sc200.txt > DTC,DTC3130B,53C815,active,yes,URL: http://www.datatechnology.com/ > Gigabyte,GA-410,unknown,passive(?),no,NCR 810 PCI SCSI by another name > Nexstor/TMC,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,unknown,(408)262-1056 > SYMBIOS LOGIC,various,various,passive,both,URL: http://www.symbios.com/products/datashts/matrix.htm No. The Symbios cards all come with ACTIVE terminators! And they are the only vendor of NCR cards with differential drivers I know of. > Tekram,DC-390,Am53C974A,unknown,yes,URL: http://www.tekram.com/dc390.html That particular Tekram card is not supported by the BSD NCR driver, since it uses an AMD chip that is completely incomptible with the 53c8xx. But Tekram offers drivers for FreeBSD-2.1.5R and -current from their Web site! (The AMD chip is limited in its capabilities and much less powerful than an NCR 53c8xx or eg. an Adaptec 2940.) But the Tekram DC390W, DC390U and DC390F use the 53c825A, 53c875 (with only an 8bit SCSI bus connected) and 53c875 with a WIDE SCSI bus, respectively. They all come with active terminators and a BIOS, that lets you store drive parameters in NVRAM, as known from eg. the Adaptec cards. (They have FreeBSD drivers for these cards too, but those do not make good use of the NCR chips' features and deliver far worse performance results than the FreeBSD NCR driver. I'll extend the FreeBSD driver to understand the NVRAM parameters, but it currently ignores them.) > Tyan,S1365 Yorktown,53c825,unknown,yes,URL: http://www.best.com/~jchen/ts1365.htm This card uses active terminators, too. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 5 15:24:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA25187 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from next.com (next.com [129.18.1.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25181 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from day by femail.next.com (NX5.67f1/NeXT0.1-Aleph (CST $Revision: 1.17 $ $State: Exp $ amm)) id AA29112; Thu, 5 Sep 96 15:23:53 -0700 From: Dan Grillo Message-Id: <9609052223.AA29112@femail.next.com> Received: by day.next.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X ($Revision: 1.11 $ $State: Exp $)) id AA29028; Thu, 5 Sep 96 15:23:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 15:23:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Information Services, NeXT Software, Inc. To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: driver for Intel EtherExpress Pro/10+ ISA? Versions: dmail 2.0q/makemail 2.8l Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I took a quick look at the ix driver and it doesn't seem to support these Intel 82595 based cards. Is there a driver floating around for this card? Thanks. --Dan -- Dan Grillo dan@next.com 415 780-2963 Blg1 Rm163 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 5 17:48:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02043 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02038 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id OAA26448; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:47:36 -1000 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:47:36 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199609060047.OAA26448@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Stefan Esser "Re: NCR 53C8xx board update" (Sep 5, 10:31pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Stefan Esser , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR 53C8xx board update Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So which is the best NCR card and who sells it, preferrably mail-order. Thanks Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 5 19:56:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA08325 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08318 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA05443; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609060257.TAA05443@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Dan Grillo cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: driver for Intel EtherExpress Pro/10+ ISA? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:23:52 PDT." <9609052223.AA29112@femail.next.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 19:57:19 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I took a quick look at the ix driver and it doesn't seem to support >these Intel 82595 based cards. > >Is there a driver floating around for this card? No, but I have the documentation if someone wants to write one. I was going to earlier this year but got sidetracked with release engineering and then later lost interest. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project