From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 7 02:07:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA01609 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 02:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA01589 Sun, 7 Jan 1996 02:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (oberon.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA10085; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:07:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01114; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:38:04 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199601070938.KAA01114@mordillo> Subject: Re: A few other concerns from a FreeBSD ISP To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:38:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: taob@io.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199601070017.BAA17116@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jan 7, 96 01:17:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hasn't J Wunsch said ? ... > > As Brian Tao wrote: > > > > 1. Rlogin problem > > > > The most troubling is an rlogin bug that has been around at least > > since January 1995. On seemingly random occasions, an rlogin to the > > FreeBSD host will fail. After the rlogin command is issued on the > > other system, there is a period of inactivity that lasts about one > > minute. Then I get a "Connection refused" error. > > This is just a ``Me, too'' message. > i think this was discussed in either the current or the hackers list some time ago and seems to be a real problem (many people have it) - i too :-( - can someone please look into brian tao's diagnostics (i don't understand enough from it) - i think this should really be solved t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 7 02:52:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA03714 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 02:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03435 Sun, 7 Jan 1996 02:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA20347; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:24:31 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199601071054.VAA20347@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: A few other concerns from a FreeBSD ISP To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:24:31 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jan 6, 96 03:07:19 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > 1. Rlogin problem > I have tcp_wrappers installed on the FreeBSD machine. When an > rlogin fails, no connection is registered by tcpd and rlogind on the > destination host doesn't even start. Running inetd in debug mode > indicates that not even inetd is aware there is a connection attempt > on port 513. > > Running netstat around the time of the rlogin attempt suggests > that the rlogin hang may have to do with the kernel assigning the > connection a port number that is still currently in TIME_WAIT from a > previous rlogin. Once the TIME_WAIT status is cleared, the rlogin is > completed. This isn't how it works. The kernel doesn't assign port numbers to incoming connections; the port number is nominated by the remote host. The outgoing port number is probably allocated by rresvport(), which is in the standard library (lib/libc/net/rcmd.c). This searches the list of available ports starting at a nominated number and picks up the first that it can get hold of. (Actually, this function is pretty bogus, but it works OK) It's possible that the remote host is reusing an originating port number that is still recorded by the FreeBSD system as belonging to a connection in one of the closing wait states to that same host. I don't know what would happen here, it's possible that someone got their TCP state diagram confused. Kernel TCP gurus? > I haven't noticed this problem with BSD/OS 2.0 yet, nor any other > flavour of UNIX I've used. I haven't used NetBSD systems enough to > know if they have the same problem in their socket code. Has anyone > else seen this behaviour with 2.1.0-RELEASE (or with earlier or later > kernels)? Better yet, does anyone have a solution? I've definitely seen this problem; unfortunately I'm not familiar with the code that I suspect. This _is_ a real problem though. > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 7 13:22:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA15696 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15685 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11353; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:27:08 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon X-Sender: michael@okjunc.junction.net To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: <19960105095216.0a255de9.in@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are > getting ready to start providing internet service to our community > and would like any suggestions you may have. > We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to > start, with 5 lines coming in. > FreeBSD running on a: > Pentium 100 > 16 meg ram > 1 gig scsi hard drive > 4X CD rom drive. Seems reasonable. Of course you will not be running a news server on 1 gig, but that is just as well considering you have only a 56K line. Arrange for newsreading permissions at your provider or with some other ISP who is close to you on the network (check it with traceroute). The CD-ROM choice seems strange. If you want to load shareware CD-ROM's to get people to do file transfers locally instead of over the 56K (a good idea) then you should get 1x CD-ROM's and buy several. As soon as you can (maybe right now) get a tape backup unit. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 7 13:46:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA17896 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17883 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11549; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon X-Sender: michael@okjunc.junction.net To: Craig Shrimpton cc: John Anderson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > You could offer a basic IP service but not news or web with that setup. > News needs its own machine with 32MB(min) 128MB(best) memory and at least 8 > GB for a full feed. You could run web on the other machine if you bumped > the memory to 32MB. We ran everything except news on a 486DX2/66 with 12 megs RAM until recently. Now commercial WWW runs on it's own 486DX/100 with 16 megs and the DX2/66 has 16 megs as well. USENET news runs on a DX2/66 that used to have 16 megs RAM (but if we missed an expire, things got real slow) and now has 32 megs RAM. It has an IDE root drive and three SCSI drives. Swap is on one of the SCSI drives along with history, overviews on another and a 9 gig SCSI drive has the spool. The main point I am making is that CPU is usually not a bottle neck. The second point is that adding RAM may not have a significant effect, especially with only 5 phone lines. The main upgrades I mentioned above happened when we went to 25 incoming lines. > You mentioned 56K line. One thing you might consider is get your IP > delivered by frame relay. You could then purchase a Cisco 2511 > router/terminal server to handle the incoming PPP connections. A Livingston Portmaster 2eR could do the same thing but can handle 56K leased line or frame relay and can also go up to fractional or full T1. But a sync card in the FreeBSD box (http://www.etinc.com) can also handle frame relay or leased lines from 56K to T1. Personally, I am biased in favor of terminal servers for dialup lines but I can see no problems with using a FreeBSD box and sync card for routing packets. > Remember, distributed computing power is the key to a > restfull night's sleep! Excellent advice. You may not be able to allocate functions to separate boxes today, but you definitely should plan to do this as soon as you can. > Word of advice: All disks except for maybe / should be SCSI. Use only > PCI bus master controllers. This is especially important if you have a SCSI > tape drive. The only exception I would make to this is that I like to use a cheaper IDE drive for the root drive since it offloads the SCSI bus. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 7 18:02:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA03983 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from www ([199.171.224.190]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03977 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nocache.global-image.com (serv1p3.computerland.net [206.29.98.13]) by www (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA14314 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:04:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:04:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199601080204.UAA14314@www> X-Sender: rob@global-image.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Rob Cima Subject: Re: Would like your opinion Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> You mentioned 56K line. One thing you might consider is get your IP >> delivered by frame relay. You could then purchase a Cisco 2511 >> router/terminal server to handle the incoming PPP connections. > >A Livingston Portmaster 2eR could do the same thing but can handle 56K >leased line or frame relay and can also go up to fractional or full T1. > So can the Cisco. -Rob From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 7 19:47:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA08612 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from solar.os.com (root@solar.iii.net [199.232.46.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08607 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter (jupiter.os.com [199.232.47.66]) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) with SMTP id WAA16933; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:58:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:58:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199601080358.WAA16933@solar.os.com> X-Sender: craigs@solar.os.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rob Cima From: craigs@os.com (Craig Shrimpton) Subject: Re: Would like your opinion Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >>A Livingston Portmaster 2eR could do the same thing but can handle 56K >>leased line or frame relay and can also go up to fractional or full T1. >> >So can the Cisco. > What's really neat is the load balancing of the two WAN ports. That way you could gang two 56K DDS lines together for 112K. It makes a nice "poor man's" fractional T1. Craig =================================================================== Shrimpton Consulting Orbit Systems Craig Shrimpton Email: craigs@os.com 17 Monroe Avenue Phone: (508) 753-8776 Worcester, MA 01602 http://www.os.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 05:48:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA09644 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from xioa.cosmic.org (xioa.cosmic.org [205.218.96.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA09639 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jwb@localhost) by xioa.cosmic.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA15012 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:50:11 GMT From: Joe Beiter Message-Id: <199601080850.IAA15012@xioa.cosmic.org> Subject: password portability To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:50:10 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to migrate a couple of linux systems doing authentication (Cisco tacacs) over to FreeBSD 2.1. Does anyone know if there is any way I can port over a passwd file (specifically the encrypted passwords) from Linux to FreeBSD? My gut says "not in this quantum reality". From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 08:00:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17499 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17464 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id HAA18166; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:51:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon X-Sender: michael@okjunc.junction.net To: Joe Beiter cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: password portability In-Reply-To: <199601080850.IAA15012@xioa.cosmic.org> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Joe Beiter wrote: > I would like to migrate a couple of linux systems doing authentication (Cisco > tacacs) over to FreeBSD 2.1. Does anyone know if there is any way I can port > over a passwd file (specifically the encrypted passwords) from Linux to > FreeBSD? My gut says "not in this quantum reality". I've done almost the same thing transferring a passwd file from Linux to a BSDI 1.1 system and it worked fine. You just have to be careful with the system accounts that are at the top of the passwd file, i.e. manual editting, but the encrypted passwords should work. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 11:35:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29910 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabal.io.org (cabal.io.org [198.133.36.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29887 Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by cabal.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA05066; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:33:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Blocked rlogin connections (was Re: A few other concerns ... ) In-Reply-To: <199601071054.VAA20347@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > This isn't how it works. The kernel doesn't assign port numbers to > incoming connections; the port number is nominated by the remote host. If I rlogin from trepan (BSD/OS) to cabal (FreeBSD), I get this from "netstat" on cabal: Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp 0 0 cabal.login trepan.1012 ESTABLISHED Are both port numbers (512 and 1012) chosen by the foreign machine? Even so, there is a high correlation between rlogin failures and the destination machine being a FreeBSD box. > It's possible that the remote host is reusing an originating port > number that is still recorded by the FreeBSD system as belonging to a > connection in one of the closing wait states to that same host. I > don't know what would happen here, it's possible that someone got > their TCP state diagram confused. I was fiddling around with it some more last night, but I wasn't able to reproduce the problem on my own machine. Several successive rlogins would yield the same source and destination port numbers, and would connect immediately even if netstat listed the connection in TIME_WAIT state. Then again, my own machine isn't hit by logins every few seconds. > Kernel TCP gurus? If a kernel problem, would setting net.inet.tcp.rfc1323 and net.inet.tcp.rfc1644 with sysctl have any effect (or side effect)? > I've definitely seen this problem; unfortunately I'm not familiar with > the code that I suspect. This _is_ a real problem though. This is potentially a showstopper for an ISP (like mine) that depends on consistent and reliable rlogin connections to their server machines. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 11:37:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00224 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pelican.com (pelican.com [134.24.4.62]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00212 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by pelican.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #10) id m0tZNMf-0000SMC; Mon, 8 Jan 96 11:36 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 11:36 PST From: pete@pelican.com (Pete Carah) To: adf@fl.net.au Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: <199601052232.JAA17229@imp.fl.net.au> Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199601052232.JAA17229@imp.fl.net.au> adf writes: >Someone else wrote: >>I'm new to this list and new to FreeBSD. Some friends and I are >>getting ready to start providing internet service to our community >>and would like any suggestions you may have. >>We figure on starting small and growing (hopefully). 56k line to >>start, with 5 lines coming in. >>FreeBSD running on a: >>Pentium 100 >>16 meg ram >>1 gig scsi hard drive >>4X CD rom drive. >>Does this look like a good basic system to start with? Is that >>enough memory? >>I would appreciate any hints, and please forgive my ignorance. >Are you planning on bringing in a full or partial news feed? I would suggest a 4GB drive as a proxy caching and news spool. Well, at clubnet and interworld we're using 3 3g drives for news and still can't keep 10 days of some alt groups :-) Remember to add the '-l' flag to expire if you're spreading news across filesystems. (between Christmas and New Year's we got 650mb/day of alt alone for several days in a row; it's tapered off for now to a "sane" 350...) INN "can" run in a 16m machine but then nothing else will (I've done this on an SGI :-(. We run INN and apache (with 14 alias/virtual hosts now) on the same (P120 FreeBSD) system at clubnet with no problems (in 32m ram), but the web hit rate is still pretty low. If it starts creeping up we'll split that off. (try www.turkeyrack.com or www.macom-phi.com for an example :-) A "good" 486 running INN can keep up with a T1 easily if you don't have more than 2 or 3 big feeds. The thing that'll get you is passive outgoing feeds using slurp; if anyone does that there's a cute secret - turn off dbzincore for nnrpd. That change alone cuts your load average a bunch... (and encourage them to go over to psl, which is much easier on the server, and easier for them to control too.) (note that regular news readers never trigger dbzincore anyhow since they don't do msg-id requests). Another hint - use INN with the streaming patches, at least if your bulk provider has them. You can run a full feed on a 56k but there is little room for fixing hangups (the news flood after a crash of either your server or another big one anywhere on the backbone can be awesome). -- Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 13:47:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA11590 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from imp.fl.net.au (imp.fl.net.au [203.63.198.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11573 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from fl.com.au (lucifer.fl.net.au [203.63.198.11]) by imp.fl.net.au (2.0/adf) with SMTP id IAA25217 for < freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:49:15 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199601082149.IAA25217@imp.fl.net.au> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 08:46:44 EST From: adf@fl.net.au (Andrew Foster) Reply-To: adf@fl.net.au (Andrew Foster) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Andrew Foster's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: password portability Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >I would like to migrate a couple of linux systems doing authentication (Cisco >tacacs) over to FreeBSD 2.1. Does anyone know if there is any way I can port >over a passwd file (specifically the encrypted passwords) from Linux to >FreeBSD? My gut says "not in this quantum reality". I've done it before - it can be done. It's not easy, but NFS, cron, and the 'cut' command will help you. Thanks, Andrew -------- Andrew Foster Sydney, Australia From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 14:01:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12679 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.dnai.com (venus.dnai.com [140.174.162.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12669 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dror@localhost) by venus.dnai.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA29672; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:03:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Dror Matalon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: password portability In-Reply-To: <199601082149.IAA25217@imp.fl.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Andrew Foster wrote: > Hi, > > >I would like to migrate a couple of linux systems doing authentication (Cisco > >tacacs) over to FreeBSD 2.1. Does anyone know if there is any way I can port > >over a passwd file (specifically the encrypted passwords) from Linux to > >FreeBSD? My gut says "not in this quantum reality". > > I've done it before - it can be done. It's not easy, but NFS, cron, and the 'cut' command will help you. Actually I suspect that involves porting the crypt from Linux to BSDI and somehow figuring out that some of the passwords are Linux's (RSA?) and some of them are FreeBsd's MD5. We'll have to bite this bullet pretty soon too with the transfer of stuff from BSDI to FreeBsd. Dror Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 8 19:33:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA03562 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03557 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id TAA26095; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:38:12 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon X-Sender: michael@okjunc.junction.net To: Pete Carah cc: adf@fl.net.au, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Would like your opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Pete Carah wrote: > In article <199601052232.JAA17229@imp.fl.net.au> adf writes: > (and encourage them to go over to psl, which is much easier on the server, > and easier for them to control too.) (note that regular news readers never Lycos and Webcrawler don't know about psl, Archie thinks it's some MIDI music stuff.... any pointers? Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 06:31:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA12436 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 06:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.stylo.it ([194.21.207.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12406 Tue, 9 Jan 1996 06:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from trust.stylo.it (trust.stylo.it [194.21.207.253]) by unix.stylo.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19890; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:34:59 +0100 Received: by trust.stylo.it with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30F27A48@trust.stylo.it>; Tue, 09 Jan 96 15:23:04 W From: Angelo Turetta To: "'SMTP:freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" , freebsd-questions Subject: Auditing PPP connection usage ?? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 15:21:00 W Message-ID: <30F27A48@trust.stylo.it> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm not a FreeBSD expert, so maybe this is a FAQ (anyway, I haven't found any info about that). Is it possible (read: does any tool exist which allows :-) to log the total number of bytes (not packets) passing through a PPP connection, better if grouped by IP number (or subnet) of the source and/or destination address ? I guess I could write such an extension to iijppp, or a stand-alone filter using /dev/bpfN, but I'm not willing to re-invent the wheel.... Thanks in advance Angelo Turetta From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 08:32:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19977 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from defiant.flash.net (defiant.flash.net [206.149.24.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19968 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: mwilson@defiant.flash.net Received: from drwho (drwho.flash.net [206.149.24.11]) by defiant.flash.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29732 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:32:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601091632.KAA29732@defiant.flash.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:35:44 +0000 Subject: PC's for FreeBSD systems - good vendors Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Anyone know a good vendor that sales servers that are possibly optimized for FreeBSD type setups? ---------------------------------------------------- Mike Wilson http://www.flash.net/~mwilson mwilson@flash.net (817)332-8883 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 09:35:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23509 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.dnai.com (venus.dnai.com [140.174.162.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23500 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dror@localhost) by venus.dnai.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA26444; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:37:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dror Matalon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC's for FreeBSD systems - good vendors In-Reply-To: <199601091632.KAA29732@defiant.flash.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 mwilson@defiant.flash.net wrote: > Anyone know a good vendor that sales servers that are possibly > optimized for FreeBSD type setups? We've been getting ours from Berkeley Integration Group who are local to us, but ship all over. They're quite knowledgable, and offer good prices. Their site is www.bignet.com and their phone number is 510 704-1100. Dror Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 10:39:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27419 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (aspen.woc.atinc.com [198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27410 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA24449; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:35:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:35:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: mwilson@defiant.flash.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC's for FreeBSD systems - good vendors In-Reply-To: <199601091632.KAA29732@defiant.flash.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 mwilson@defiant.flash.net wrote: > Anyone know a good vendor that sales servers that are possibly > optimized for FreeBSD type setups? this is the guy that you are looking for: "Rodney W. Grimes" he built my system. it routinely outperforms many others that have the same specs. Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 11:04:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29359 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pgh.nauticom.net (ebush@pgh.nauticom.net [198.190.226.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29353 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ebush@localhost) by pgh.nauticom.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA02610; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:04:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Bush To: mwilson@defiant.flash.net cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PC's for FreeBSD systems - good vendors In-Reply-To: <199601091632.KAA29732@defiant.flash.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mike: As a small computer retailer on the Penna area, I have had the opportunity to test FreeBSD on several platforms. I have found that out of the systems that I have tried, FreeBSD seems to be quite content running on our system with an Intel Zappa motherboard, Connor 1.2gb IDE disk, Maxtor SCSI (Adaptec Controller) disk, and 16mb RAM. I know this is quite an overkill for FreeBSD, but I have internal requirements as it's acting as my gateway to the internet. On the same token, I have not had the opportunity to test FreeBSD out on a "name brand" platform. Regards, Eric Bush (ebush@innovate.nauticom.net) Computer Innovations 412-282-6001 On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 mwilson@defiant.flash.net wrote: > Anyone know a good vendor that sales servers that are possibly > optimized for FreeBSD type setups? > ---------------------------------------------------- > Mike Wilson http://www.flash.net/~mwilson > mwilson@flash.net (817)332-8883 > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 11:11:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29624 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29618 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA07666; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:10:15 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199601091910.NAA07666@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: PC's for FreeBSD systems - good vendors To: mwilson@defiant.flash.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:10:15 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199601091632.KAA29732@defiant.flash.net> from "mwilson@defiant.flash.net" at Jan 9, 96 10:35:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Anyone know a good vendor that sales servers that are possibly > optimized for FreeBSD type setups? Without a doubt, you should talk to Rod Grimes at Accurate Automation Co. This fellow not only knows his stuff, but also does FreeBSD development and will gladly sell you a tested, burned in system ... or components ... or whatever ... or Tell 'im I said hi. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 12:32:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA04180 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from library.bbcc.ctc.edu ([134.39.180.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04174 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by library.bbcc.ctc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA02342 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:29:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:29:29 -0800 From: John Anderson Message-Id: <199601092029.MAA02342@library.bbcc.ctc.edu> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Opinion Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I just wanted to thank all of you for the advice and suggestions. They were very helpful. We decided that what we have will work for awhile until we see how many people we get signed up. If it looks like it's going to go pretty well then we will start buying other computers for web servers and news servers. We did decide to up our RAM to 24 megs. We still haven't quite decided how we're going to hook our modems up yet. It has been suggested to me that hooking up another computer loaded with the minimum Freebsd and a network card and fill the thing with modems. Does this sound feesable or just silly? Thank you once again for all your help. John Anderson johna@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 14:11:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA11742 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from defiant.flash.net (defiant.flash.net [206.149.24.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11733 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: mwilson@defiant.flash.net Received: from drwho (drwho.flash.net [206.149.24.11]) by defiant.flash.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08058 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:11:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601092211.QAA08058@defiant.flash.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:15:10 +0000 Subject: Re: PC's for FreeBSD systems - good vendors Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > content running on our system with an Intel Zappa motherboard, > Connor 1.2gb IDE disk, Maxtor SCSI (Adaptec Controller) disk, and > 16mb RAM. I know this is quite an overkill for FreeBSD, but I have > internal requirements as it's acting as my gateway to the internet. Hum, the systems I am LOOKING for are: p5/166 or p6/150(200?) - 64 meg of ram - 512k cache pci adaptech fw scsi 4 gig 7200 rpm drive scsi internal scsi tape, 4gig internal 4-6x scsi CD 15'' monitor mono vga video keyboard - 101 8-10 bay tower - 300w powersupply - 2 fans Now that is still not over-kill :) ---------------------------------------------------- Mike Wilson http://www.flash.net/~mwilson mwilson@flash.net (817)332-8883 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 9 18:26:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA28671 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28666 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id SAA05139; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:18:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon X-Sender: michael@okjunc.junction.net To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opinion In-Reply-To: <199601092029.MAA02342@library.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > We still haven't quite decided how we're > going to hook our modems up yet. Uh-oh, the most important part... > It has been suggested to me that hooking up > another computer loaded with the minimum Freebsd > and a network card and fill the thing with modems. > > Does this sound feesable or just silly? It sounds silly. Buy a terminal server like the Livingstion Portmaster. Now, it is true that you *CAN* use a FreeBSD box as a terminal server but there is a little bit more to it than filling the box with modems. For one thing, you wouldn't be putting the modems in the box, you would need external modems. For another, you would need a multiport card of some sort to provide the serial ports to attach the modems to. Then you need to configure PPP and/or rlogin to handle each dialin port. You need some means of checking passwords which may involve setting up NIS or rdist or preferably, using a modified "login" which supports RADIUS to query a RADIUS server running on your shell/email machine. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 11:15:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA24332 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from library.bbcc.ctc.edu ([134.39.180.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24321 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by library.bbcc.ctc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03865 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:12:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:12:08 -0800 From: John Anderson Message-Id: <199601101912.LAA03865@library.bbcc.ctc.edu> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: book Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Anyone know where I can order the book: BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual ISBN 1-56592-080-5 Thank you, John Anderson john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 11:55:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA26321 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from merit.edu (merit.edu [35.1.1.42]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26291 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ohm.merit.edu (ohm.merit.edu [198.108.60.65]) by merit.edu (8.6.12/merit-2.0) with ESMTP id OAA28473; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:54:38 -0500 From: William Bulley Received: (web@localhost) by ohm.merit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA25937; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:04:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199601102004.PAA25937@ohm.merit.edu> Subject: Re: book To: john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu (John Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:04:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199601101912.LAA03865@library.bbcc.ctc.edu> from "John Anderson" at Jan 10, 96 11:12:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to John Anderson: > > Anyone know where I can order the book: > > BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual > ISBN 1-56592-080-5 WWW.ORA.COM Regards, web... -- William Bulley, N8NXN Senior Systems Research Programmer Merit Network Inc. Domain: web@merit.edu 4251 Plymouth Road MaBell: (313) 764-9993 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (313) 747-3185 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 13:00:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA01310 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from isgate.is (isgate.is [193.4.58.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01305 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hummer.islandia.is by isgate.is (8.7.3/ISnet/14-10-91); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:00:30 GMT Received: from smarties.islandia.is by hummer.islandia.is (8.6.11/ISnet/12-09-94); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:56:11 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:56:11 GMT Message-Id: <199601102056.UAA02110@hummer.islandia.is> X-Sender: gestur@islandia.is X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: John Anderson From: gestur@islandia.is (Gestur A. Grjetarsson) Subject: Re: book Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hi, >Anyone know where I can order the book: > >BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual >ISBN 1-56592-080-5 > >Thank you, > >John Anderson >john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu > > Try O'Reilly online service, http://www.ora.com/ Međ kveđju, Sincerely, ----------------------------------------------------------- Gestur A. Grjetarsson kerfisstjóri islandia.is sysadmin islandia.is Islandia, Grensásvegur 7, 2h.t.h., 108 Reykjavik sími 5884020, modem 5884120, fax 5884014 http://www.islandia.is http://www.islandia.is/english.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- Programmers never die, they just GOSUB without RETURN ! From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 14:18:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06814 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06795 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA27030; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:14:46 -0600 Message-Id: <9601102214.AA27030@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:14:46 -0600 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu Subject: Re: book Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Anyone know where I can order the book: > >BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual >ISBN 1-56592-080-5 ReadMe.Doc www.readmedotdoc.com 1.717.264.0843 (voice) They offer 20% discounts Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 15:10:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10566 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10531 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA08055; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:02:25 +0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:02:24 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opinion In-Reply-To: <199601092029.MAA02342@library.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You might consider a digiboard 16 card. This can run in the main server until you need more power, then add extensions (up to 64 ports) and/or move to a separate machine. I believe it is a lot less than a portmaster etc. In a separate machine, you can do all authorization and accounting on the login machine then rlogin to the other machine(s). jbeukema On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > Hi, > I just wanted to thank all of you for the advice > and suggestions. They were very helpful. > We decided that what we have will work for awhile > until we see how many people we get signed up. > If it looks like it's going to go pretty well > then we will start buying other computers for > > web servers and news servers. We did decide > to up our RAM to 24 megs. > > We still haven't quite decided how we're > going to hook our modems up yet. > It has been suggested to me that hooking up > another computer loaded with the minimum Freebsd > and a network card and fill the thing with modems. > > Does this sound feesable or just silly? > > Thank you once again for all your help. > > John Anderson > > johna@mail.bbcc.ctc.edu > john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 15:12:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10641 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ring.zenox.com (root@ring.zenox.com [204.138.171.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10618 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadow (shadow.zenox.com [204.138.171.115]) by ring.zenox.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00484; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:09:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:09:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601102309.SAA00484@ring.zenox.com> X-Sender: jeff@zenox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Anderson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeff B. Bolton" Subject: Re: book Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 11:12 AM 1/10/96 -0800, John Anderson wrote: >Hi, >Anyone know where I can order the book: > >BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual >ISBN 1-56592-080-5 I got mine direct from O'Reilly. Cheers Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff B. Bolton jeff@zenox.com System Administrator http://www.zenox.com Zenox Communications http://www.zenox.com/~jeff/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 16:03:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14009 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13988 Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16367(7)>; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:00:39 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:59:41 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Michael Smith cc: taob@io.org (Brian Tao), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A few other concerns from a FreeBSD ISP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Jan 1996 02:54:31 PST." <199601071054.VAA20347@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:59:29 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Jan10.155941pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199601071054.VAA20347@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>you write: >It's possible that the remote host is reusing an originating port number >that is still recorded by the FreeBSD system as belonging to a connection >in one of the closing wait states to that same host. I don't know what >would happen here, it's possible that someone got their TCP state diagram >confused. I have always thought that this situation could only be attributed to one or the other end not waiting for 2*MSL before deleting connection information. In particular, if the source end cut its TIME_WAIT state short for some tcpcb, that port number could get reused while the server end was still in TIME_WAIT and thus completely ignoring all packets. But I haven't yet gotten around to testing this theory; I can't say that I recall seeing this problem, so it may also be load-related, etc. Bill From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 18:50:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23558 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from jennifer.pernet.net (jennifer.pernet.net [205.229.0.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23553 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from neal@localhost) by jennifer.pernet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA29233; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:46:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:46:06 -0600 (CST) From: Neal Rigney To: John Beukema cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, John Beukema wrote: > You might consider a digiboard 16 card. This can run in the main server > until you need more power, then add extensions (up to 64 ports) and/or move > to a separate machine. I believe it is a lot less than a portmaster etc. > We just installed a pair of Cyclades Cyclom16y cards here. Runs smooth as silk. Beautiful card with zero problems so far. We originally tried digiboard, but they didn't even know what FreeBSD was. Cyclades not only knew what FreeBSD was, they even offered to help configure the card, etc. Also, the 16y's are on sale for $400(limit 2). That means we got 32 ports for less than the price of one digiboard. Just my .02 -- Neal Rigney sysadmin, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net My opinions are mine, damnit! PERnet can't have them! From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 10 20:48:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA29581 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (michael@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29576 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id UAA19817; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:40:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon X-Sender: michael@okjunc.junction.net To: John Anderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: book In-Reply-To: <199601101912.LAA03865@library.bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, John Anderson wrote: > Anyone know where I can order the book: > > BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual > ISBN 1-56592-080-5 Your local bookstore. If you have the ISBN, most bookstores are happy to order in a book for you. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 11 16:12:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07233 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from parody.tecc.co.uk (parody.tecc.co.uk [193.128.6.83]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07226 Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by parody.tecc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA03154; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:53:06 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:53:06 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199601112153.VAA03154@parody.tecc.co.uk> To: turetta@trust.stylo.it CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <30F27A48@trust.stylo.it> (message from Angelo Turetta on Tue, 09 Jan 96 15:21:00 W) Subject: Re: Auditing PPP connection usage ?? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Is it possible (read: does any tool exist which allows :-) to log the total >number of bytes (not packets) passing through a PPP connection, better if >grouped by IP number (or subnet) of the source and/or destination address ? tcpdump comes as standard with FreeBSD. James From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 11 19:15:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA19020 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from news5.crl.com (news5.crl.com [165.113.1.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18546 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sable.com by news5.crl.com with UUCP id AA06197 (5.65c/IDA-1.502 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:26:18 -0800 Received: by sable.com (wcGATE v4) id 39441W Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:27:08 GMT From: frank.kelly@sable.com (Frank Kelly) Subject: book Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:17:00 GMT Message-Id: <96011116270925792@sable.com> Organization: Sable OnLine! To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk JO>BSD 4.4 System Manager's Manual JO>ISBN 1-56592-080-5 JO>Thank you, JO>John Anderson JO>john@library.bbcc.ctc.edu I recently picked up this title, as well as "BSD4.4 User's Reference Manual", from Border's Books (in Torrance, CA). Each was $30, but I consider it well worth it. If you don't have a Border's near you, you can always call O'Reilly and order it from them. Here is their contact information: O'Reilly and Associates 103A Morris Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 800-889-8969 to order by phone or order@ora.com by e-mail No, I don't work for them, but I have so many of their books, I feel like an "invertor"! Good luck Frank Kelly * OLX 2.1 TD * This tagline is umop apisdn From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 11 21:48:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA29873 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA29867 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA15589; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:41:52 +0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:41:51 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Proposals for a www site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk A client of mine is looking for a well connected US isp for a web site for an action magazine. We will want to mirror the site to an Asian isp. The site will need at least t1 connectitity, virtual domains, cgi script and forms permissions and 5mb-10mb disk (to start). We want a low price until the hits are up there, but that could be very fast. It is a well financed, fortune 500 sponsered, professionally done page, with articles, ads and subscription forms. Please reply with equipment, OS, connection, web server, virtual domain and cgi policy and cost information. lead time 30 days for start up. jbeukema From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 12 01:44:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA00460 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from MediaCity.com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA00432 Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA15310; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:42:45 -0800 From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199601120942.BAA15310@MediaCity.com> Subject: Re: Auditing PPP connection usage ?? To: fqueries@parody.tecc.co.uk (James Raynard) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:42:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: turetta@trust.stylo.it, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199601112153.VAA03154@parody.tecc.co.uk> from "James Raynard" at Jan 11, 96 09:53:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > >Is it possible (read: does any tool exist which allows :-) to log the total > >number of bytes (not packets) passing through a PPP connection, better if > >grouped by IP number (or subnet) of the source and/or destination address ? > > tcpdump comes as standard with FreeBSD. ipacct/ipfw can do this too. -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com speakfree.mpress.com [use -t (GSM)] How to program in c++: //